UFOs have long been considered a fringe topic and attempts to present credible information have been largely marginalized by associating them with all the cranks and crackpots who fill the pages of tabloids. While most of the marginalization, disinformation, etc., has often come from governmental, media and/or intelligence groups, the greatest enemies of the truth – and by that I mean the Billy Meier case and its invaluable information – are mainly from two other sources.

Among the main opponents to the dissemination of the truth are those in the scientific community who often publicly proclaim their sincere interest in seeing evidence of extraterrestrial life, should it exist, but who behave quite differently when confronted with what they ask for. (I don’t include the professional skeptics as major obstacles since they are effectively just another religious group that has declared that their version of reality needn’t be troubled by scientifically verified evidence that contradicts it.)

The other, and even more damaging opponents, are to be found in the so-called UFO community, or more accurately, “UFO industry”, a basically profit motivated, self-serving conglomerate of various groups, self-proclaimed “contactees”, various charlatans and “abductees” and those who specialize in covering UFOs, the paranormal, etc. The fact that there is almost no actual, verifiable, uniquely valuable content presented by the aforementioned not only doesn’t stop the charade, it almost guarantees some level of success for those who jump on this most undiscerning bandwagon.

Here are two recent examples of the above that show why contacts with human beings on Earth – other than with Billy Meier – are extremely unlikely to occur for a very long time.

Would You Be Surprised?

A scientist named Paul Davies makes a point of expressing his interest in the possibility extraterrestrial life. In fact, he lists these topics as “Core research themes at the Beyond Center”:

  • The origin and end of the universe
  • The origin of life
  • The search for extraterrestrial life

So, would you be surprised to know that after sending him ample links to the scientific information in the Meier Case, a copy of “as the time fulfills”, and a request for us to present the information through his program, that the answer we received from his publicist was, “I spoke with Paul Davies about your request and he has asked me to relay his regrets. His interests and expertise do not extend into this area.”?

Of course I informed him that it is my area of expertise and that the response contradicted Paul Davies’ published statement:

Hi Skip,

Thanks for writing. I can understand that his expertise isn’t in this area but mine is. As for his interests not extending there, well, I did notice on this page that the very specific subject/s that we present on is/are mentioned. (Pardon me but while I’m a researcher, finding that contradictory information didn’t really take much effort!)

As you may imagine, after 34 years of research into the subject, taking on and defeating the top international professional skeptics, it’s also not a surprise to me when those who profess (and publicly state) their interest in the topic on which I am arguably the world’s leading expert instead shy away from confronting that which they are not…experts on.

(There are some highly credible scientists, such as David Froning, who’ve shared the stage with me and publicly stated their support for the Meier case; quite a courageous thing for him to do.)

So I guess I’ll have to remain skeptical of the interest that Dr. Davies professes and figure that he too wishes to just play it safe. However, when we do have a presentation locally, we’ll let you know and perhaps he’d consider attending and “taking a look through the telescope”, kind of like what Galileo was asking of those who already had their minds made up.

Best,

MH

While some may say that it wasn’t diplomatic of me, and that now we certainly wouldn’t be invited by him to make any presentations, speaking the plain truth is more important than worrying about people’s inconsistencies…or egos.

While we don’t have any credentials, we’re thinking people who’ve troubled ourselves to delve into the most fascinating story, filled with volumes of invaluable information, and we share it willingly with those who are interested, taking all questions, challenges, etc. And what better place to explore the Meier information than in an educational setting?

“The World’s Leading Expert on UFOs”

I recently posted a promotional article for college and university presentations that my wife Amy and I plan on making in the coming year. I, er…modestly referred to myself as The World’s Leading Expert on UFOs. Not completely unexpectedly, I received a bit of a cynical response from a person who claims to be a…UFO researcher and writer.

Since it’s quite easy to think that I’m exaggerating the level of difficulty in bringing the Meier information to those who one would think would be the most hungry for it, I am copying below an email exchange with the writer, Lee Speigel: 

Hi Lee,

I’m glad to answer the question for you regarding my expertise.

First, since the Billy Meier case is the only scientifically proven, still ongoing (over 70 years!) UFO (extraterrestrial) contact case, the only possible expertise, of any real value, would pertain to someone knowledgeable about it.

Now, before continuing, let me be perfectly clear in stating that Meier himself is the single most knowledgeable person regarding the subject matter, as he has had ongoing personal experience (being in these craft, etc.) for almost 70 years. Next, there are certainly people in FIGU – and even in intelligence circles who have access to the best German to English translators for acquiring all of the information in the Meier transcripts, books, etc. – who probably know even more about the information than I do.

That being said, since none of them are appearing publicly, doing interviews, presentations, etc., I would be the public person most knowledgeable on the matter. I full well know that I am not appreciated by those in the “UFO industry” and the delusional “exopolitics” group, i.e. those make a living rehashing dead-end stories about Roswell (and/or any other “UFO cases” for which not a scintilla of verifiable and/or uniquely valuable evidence or information remains), those who are carrying on about non-existent “alien abductions”, or those who are claiming – FALSELY – to be “UFO contactees”, etc.

There isn’t a single person in the UFO industry who would actually take me on, either about the unique authenticity of the Meier case, or putting their “case”, knowledge, etc., against mine…including Stanton Friedman. And yes, any and all, including Stanton (who happens to be a genuinely fine person, so I’m speaking only professionally) are free to take me up on a public debate, etc.

So, while this topic, this industry is bread and butter to the majority of those who ply their trade, it’s something of far greater importance to me. And, while I have two very clear examples of personal evidence that the Plejaren are quite real, I don’t try to pass myself off as a contactee, unlike each and every phony who makes such claims, none of whom have been within 20′ of a (Plejaren) craft, nor have they verifiable evidence that they received information unknown to anyone at the time that proved to be 100% accurate (and, in my case, prevented Meier and me from falling into a rather nasty trap by one…Kal Korff).

Unfortunately, like so many other things in daily life, this field suffers from foolish competitiveness, envy, arrogance, etc., as the majority of “UFO followers” would prefer to argue about things of which they are ignorant, indulge in every senseless fantasy and busy themselves with ANYTHING but the only verifiable and valuable UFO case in the world…which also happens to be the most important story in human history.

If, instead of parading their ignorance and envy, they bothered to delve into the highly pertinent information – the prophetic warnings from Meier – that are being fulfilled right before our very eyes (including Russia’s very open military moves that are unfolding just as Meier warned about…in 1987) perhaps much grief could still be avoided.

This gift to humanity, the Billy Meier case belongs to everyone who is receptive to looking into it for themselves. At the very heart of this information is a teaching of complete and total self-responsibility for our every thought, feeling and action; that alone is sufficient to puzzle the average escapist turning to “UFOs” as a diversion from such self-responsibility (and self-honesty).

Yes, I’m the world’s leading expert on UFOs (or, actually, IFOs, Identified Flying Objects, as I recently told the very enthusiastic audience in Hong Kong). But I, and all directly concerned in this matter, would welcome more and more people who are qualified to present aspects of this information, in all countries, venues, etc.

So, the opportunity to stop chasing lights in the sky, pandering to delusional persons, focusing on solely commercial concerns, etc., has presented itself…for those who have the interest, courage and integrity to pursue and take advantage of it.

Please feel free to share your comments, questions, challenges.

(Lastly, I’m responding to an email with a lot of CCs, which I have made BCCs, so if you want to be removed from this correspondence, first, please contact Victor and also let me know so that I don’t include you in emails that are my responses, etc.)

Sincerely,

Michael Horn & Amy Horn

Co-Producers

as the time fulfills

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Well Lee, now that you have the answer…what will you do with the information? Certainly you won’t be wasting your time writing any more about imaginary “aliens”…right?

Of course you are free to try to refute what I’ve stated. You can try to show why stories about Roswell (and other zero-evidence “UFO cases”) have any importance other than to divert people’s attention from the information in the Meier case…and provide “careers” for people who have nothing else to do.

Have a go at it and let’s see how strong your arguments are, as well as how deep your knowledge and personal conviction to find the truth is.

MH

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Hmmm, what are you talking about? You’re baiting me to try and challenge you on something? When you suggest that I won’t be wasting my time writing any more about imaginary aliens…what imaginary aliens are you referring to?

Because there are probably a lot of people out here in the real world who might suggest that it’s YOU who are wasting your and everyone else’s time with imaginary aliens.

Since the aliens that you’re familiar with seem to prefer to only show themselves to and communicate with one or two individuals on this entire planet, that certainly doesn’t speak to credibility — yours or theirs (but your aliens probably don’t care, anyway).

If they’re not willing to “out” themselves to the entire planet — thereby really impressing everyone on the need to live a harmonious existence as a planet of real brothers and sisters — then their motives (and, of course, yours) are completely suspect.

But, please, don’t let my words dissuade you from your personal cause. It doesn’t matter in the long run. Whether your alien friends are more real than anyone else’s isn’t at issue at all. What is at issue is who will ultimately be proven to show the most honest, credibile presentation of extraterrestrial visitors to planet Earth. And, in the end, it’s all up to the agenda of those visitors — it has nothing to do with any of us living here.

L

 

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Lee,

You’re either a serious investigator/researcher/journalist regarding this matter or you’re not.

The fact that you write such non-specific replies – when I virtually flood the world with voluminous amounts of specific, irrefutable, ironclad proof of Meier’s contacts – doesn’t reflect thoughtfulness on your part. Honestly, have you ever looked at the voluminous amount of evidence and information I’ve posted? Do you have any idea about the information pertaining to how we can actually attain peace – and solve so many of our problems – that has been offered by the Plejaren and published by Meier?

In fact, the Plejaren have effectively communicated with any and everyone in the world who really wants to receive their information!

Now, unless you do see this only as a safe “career”, a way to talk about things for which zero actual evidence exists/remains (Roswell, Roswell, Roswell, etc.), I say why not have a real dialogue about it? This isn’t about “baiting”. It’s about trying to find creative ways to engage those who claim to be vitally interested in the topic…and the actual reasons that extraterrestrials are (in Meier’s case) actually contacting us.

The truth is that showing “the most honest, credibile presentation of extraterrestrial visitors to planet Earth” has everything to do with us…it’s not up to the ETs. Over 1,300 people in China are already pretty clear about that.

It would be nice to know that you’d be up for a real dialogue about this. It could actually help to further the things that concern you and me alike…like peace on this planet.

Why not forge a new approach? Either the Meier case really is the most important story in human history or it’s the biggest, most impenetrable hoax. I’m prepared to make my case for it, are you up to it?

MH

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Michael,

The fact that those ET visitors are only contacting the human race through one individual instead of en masse is what makes the Meier story non-credible.

If those ET visitors really want to have an impact on Earthlings, they need to truly show themselves. There’s no other credible way for the people on this planet to “get the message.”

It’s that simple. Either show yourselves and let’s have a mutual planet-to-planet relationship, or please just go away and try to enlighten the inhabitants of another planet. Really…enough is enough.

Anybody can create flying saucer models…anyone can produce volumes of supposed ironclad proof of ET contacts…people have been trying to do that for decades. If the visitors don’t realize they’re going about it the wrong way, then they’re not so advanced as you and Meier would try to have us believe.

Why should I have a dialogue with you about all of this when it would be much more credible and important for me to have a one-on-one dialogue with one or more of the visitors? For someone in my profession who actually has the ears and eyes of a huge readership, that would have more of an impact than just talking with one of the ET Earthling representatives.

Tell your Plejaren friends I could offer them far more planetary acceptance if they would consider talking to me. But, ahhh, of course, that will never happen. Because they don’t exist and it would take all the fun away from you and Meier trying to maintain control over those who happen to believe you.

But, on the off chance that I’m wrong, I say again: arrange for me to meet them. What possible harm could that bring? If that’s not something you can work out, then there’s absolutely no reason for you to even respond to this email.

LS

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Lee,

I think it’s actually you who are baiting in this exchange. If you actually knew anything about the matter – as I’ve already stated – you’d have a more thoughtful response.

Unfortunately – and I really hope you can see and understand this – you’re doing exactly what doesn’t work in human relations, terrestrial or otherwise i.e. you’re saying unless you have it your way, unless your criteria is met then the case itself, the Plejaren and the value of one man’s 70 years of work…are irrelevant.

Please, please try another standard of proof…so as not to insult anyone’s intelligence.

I have my own personal evidence that the case is real and I generally don’t even refer to it because it would be considered anecdotal…even though it’s quite well documented. But the ironclad scientific corroboration of Meier’s information is not anecdotal. Are you even interested in it, do you even want to know the answers to the questions that you’d ask the Plejaren…since they’ve almost certainly been answered already?

Or does it have to be all about…you?

MH

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OK, Michael…this will most likely be my final communication with you…

That being said: Yes, you’re quite right — I AM baiting you in this exchange. Baiting you to arrange for me to speak with a Plejaren. And yes, I DO know a little about this topic, because I’ve had a very close encounter with something otherworldly — it happened in 1975 when astronomer J. Allen Hynek sent me to rural North Carolina to be involved with a very special and close-up UFO experience…and three years later, I gathered together Hynek and other scientists and military personnel for the only serious UFO presentation to occur at the United Nations. Yes, I know a little of what I’m talking about, so in THAT respect, once again, you’re right: it’s about ME.

I don’t need another standard of proof, as you say. What I do need is a stronger sense of credibility in this whole Meier case. And the only way that can happen is for me to have a one-on-one “interview” if you will, with a Plejaren — it’s what I do and I do it well, so I can’t accept any other method of promoting the Meier story. But maybe he and you don’t need any further promotion, and that’s fine.

All I’m asking is that you simply ask the Plejarens to give me a few minutes of their time. What harm could come from that? But you don’t seem willing to even try, and I can only wonder and assume why.

Again, if you can’t make that simple request become reality, please don’t respond to this email…we’d just be wasting each other’s time.

L

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Lee,

I’ve had seven UFO sightings myself, I was within 20′ of a small Plejaren craft in Brazil. So UFOs are not of particular interest to me, honestly, believe it or not. I’m into the reason, the content…aren’t you?

If you do choose to read the transcript of the information provided to me by the Plejaren, you may also perhaps understand that it was given to Billy for me…since the Plejaren don’t talk directly to anyone but Meier. Not even his family. Not even the people who’ve worked with him for over 30 years. And not me with my 34 years into the case.

So, if you can lower the volume on your ego demands, and if you really want to find the truth, then swallow your pride and do as…I and many, many other sincere truth seeking human beings are doing. You can use the opportunity to challenge the claims I represent and let your readers decide how well they hold up.

So, if you want this to be the “final communication” then let it be that and let it be the evidence – in your own words – explaining why you are dodging and avoiding really looking into the matter…unless you get it your way.

MH

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Of course one can draw their own conclusions but as my wife Amy pointed out, if Lee was indeed as special and important to the Plejaren as he believed himself to be….wouldn’t they contact him?

So, by petulantly refusing to discuss the Meier case with his readers because he couldn’t get his way, another “UFO researcher” gives us a text book example of how selfishness and egotism suppress public access to the Meier material.

No wonder that what does get into the mainstream about UFOs, by writers like Mr. Speigel, render it  a fringe topic and that contact with Earth human beings by extraterrestrials is unlikely for a very, very long time.

 

 

33 comments on “Two Examples of the Problem of Trying to Talk about…UFOs

  • From Sonder-bulletin 2012 #70
    Billy: Why we do not stop our mission, but must go on continuously, even if it takes only a drop at a success – but constant dripping wears away the strongest stone.

  • Anthony,

    Just a few quick notes. We do see things as critical in many ways in the world and are doing what we can to wake people up, show them our perspective, etc.

    As for interviewing people, well, isn’t that what we did in “as the time fulfills”, in several countries in fact? And that kind of stuff sure DOES cost money (and time). Who’s going to bankroll even an interview channel/show, etc.?

    Whenever possible we try to implement various ideas, approaches, projects, etc. I can honestly say that there’s been a lot of effects from these various causes, people contact me all the time who heard or saw this or that program, article, blog, etc.

    There’s plenty of room for others, including you, to put into action any ideas that you have…and of course to continue to send suggestions our way.

  • The secret of the Meier case…

    Its not about aliens.

    I mean, yes, on the surface, it looks a lot like just another alien case; Meier has said (I believe) that some very few other-worldly non-Plejaren visit very occasionally from time to time, but most are either delusional or making it up…

    If you strip away any Plejaren contact, and any reason that might be for following the so called ‘teachings’, then essentially this is a New Age-ish cult of peace. Which isn’t necessarily a bad thing.

    But it really has nothing to do at all with being New Age or Plejaren even.

    Its just common sense.

    As far as I’m concerned, its the sort of common sense that we all need desperately, and if the only people crazy enough to see it also believe in fake aliens, then great, at least someone sees the ‘light’, as it were.

    As to whether or not he (meier) contacted anyone, its pretty easy to prove/refute; just find four of his specific prophecies published 20-30 years before their time, in the original german, and verify the authenticity of the publication via paper records for the swiss/german publishing/copyright agencies in question. This should be in online records, however I must admit I’ve been incredibly lazy and never found these. But that’s all that’s necessary.

    If you want to refute, then show that these records do not exist (which is actually much harder).

    So, its great if there are aliens who have common sense, and I don’t really care too much if there aren’t. I’d rather get the planet back on its feet rather than worry about whether or not things that aren’t materially interested in our welfare have visited or not.

  • The problem, I think, is not Michael, not Figu and maybe even Meier. The big problem to defend the case today as the only real case of ufos that remains active against folklore UFO, Roswell UFO-abductions up, is that the last visual evidence were collected in 1981: the famous, controversial and problematic ufo-wedding cake, where the tree and the car seem photographed models and generated a notable replica on the internet. Added to this the pictures of models, the pterodactyl, easily found via google, and the conclusion is logical and inevitable.

    Without entering into the merits of the case, the question of the spiritual teachings can not sustain this view, perhaps the prophecy in part. Some great enthusiast of the case even argue that Ptaah is YHWH “that governs our planet”. If this is true, it is the only real case, why can not they provide new series of photos and evidence to support this? Or to complement or solve the polemics, one of this “make Quetzal furious”, like related?

    Who or what does not allow it? Why the Meier case is only today in the context of 50-60 and particularly 70s cases (see Wendelle Stevens relatorys in that time)? 32 years is very much time. The Meier case is in a problematic situation, it calls for the defense of logic, rationality, objectivity and science, and now asks us to believe in a prophet and his spiritual teachings while the skepits find easily the weak points of the entiry case. Anyone can solve this problem, only Meier with his contacts, and if you is logic, you will see that is a really great problem.

  • The problem, I think, is not Michael, not Figu and maybe even Meier. The big problem to defend the case today as the only real case of ufos that remains active against folklore UFO, Roswell UFO-abductions up, is that the last visual evidence were collected in 1981: the famous, controversial and problematic ufo-wedding cake, where the tree and the car seem photographed models and generated a notable replica on the internet. Added to this the pictures of models, the pterodactyl, easily found via google, and the conclusion is logical and inevitable.

    Without entering into the merits of the case, the question of the spiritual teachings can not sustain this view, perhaps the prophecy in part. Some great enthusiast of the case even argue that Ptaah is YHWH “that governs our planet”. If this is true, it is the only real case, why can not they provide new series of photos and evidence to support this? Or to complement or solve the polemics, one of this “make Quetzal furious”, like related?

    Who or what does not allow it? Why the Meier case is only today in the context of 50-60 and particularly 70s cases (see Wendelle Stevens relatorys in that time)? 32 years is very much time. The Meier case is in a problematic situation, it calls for the defense of logic, rationality, objectivity and science, and now asks us to believe in a prophet and his spiritual teachings while the skepits find easily the weak points of the entiry case. Anyone can solve this problem, only Meier with his contacts, and if you is logic, you will see that is a really great problem. Except act aggainst overpopulation (?) or a two or three little things more.

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