Friends, did you know that for as little as $1,850 – or as much as $3,350 – you too can “make Contact with ET civilizations” and “become an Ambassador to the Universe”?
That’s right, thanks to Stephen Greer, the pretentious profiteering purveyor of six-inch aliens and all that is bogus you too can flush your money, intelligence and common sense down the drain.
Yes, indeed, you can be taught by a “teacher” who has zero actual verifiable “Contact with ET civilizations” himself. But heck, this is the internet age (and the age of phantasmagoria) and the truth is certainly no obstacle for the ambitious, celebrity-seeking poseurs in the UFO community who do more to harm access to the truth than the so-called “government cover-up” that they rail against.
And please, PLEASE, I don’t want to hear about what a great job the Disclosure Project may have done. Fine. That was then. This is now. And this phony snake oil salesman – who declined all of the evidence in the Billy Meier case in favor of selling his disclosure charade – should be thoroughly ashamed of himself.
I was always thought these were a huge corroboration of Meier’s and the TJ’s authenticity (yet I’ve strangely never seen this topic discussed at any Meier related site):
http://lithiumdreamer.tripod.com/ufoart.html
Especially the fist one, “The Baptism of Christ”… and a couple of the others…uncanny.
Thoughts?
Hi Andy.
I don’t think it has much to do with a corroboration of Billy and the TJ’s authenticity, per se, but it just shows things like UFOs, which have been around forever. And the religious component of it could be a mixture of the myths and the fact that most art was for the (wealthy) church.
Just an opinion.
Cheers!
Michael Im so sorry , but i just wanted to share this new corroborated info from NASA on here to you as soon as i saw it … sorry if i have inconvenienced this blog on this irrelevance to the “talk at hand”
NASA has announced plans to make water on the moon in 2018 and oxygen on Mars in 2020.
If successful, the moon mission will be the first time in-situ resource utilisation (ISRU), or “living off the land”, is used outside Earth.
Experts believe the process will open new doors for near and long-term missions by harnessing space resources and converting them into energy which significantly reduces the mass, cost and risk of space exploration.
“Every pound that you don’t have to launch from the Earth of dumb mass – things like water and air and propellant – means that you can add a pound of intelligent mass – an experiment, a computer, something designed to accomplish some job or give us some capability,” Paul Spudis, a lunar geologist with the Lunar and Planetary Institute in Houston, said.
“Doing ISRU gives you incredible leverage because you’re changing the fraction of intelligent-to-dumb mass on your spacecraft in favour of the intelligent part.”
As part of the mission nicknamed Resource Prospector, a space rover will be used to scout for signs of hydrogen, drill out samples, heat them and scan for water vapour on the moon.
Vapour can also be re-condensed to create a single drop of water.
“A lot of the technologies have broader use than just lunar… it’s just a convenient location to be testing the ISRU technology,” NASA advanced exploration systems director Jason Crusan said.
The second mission, to be carried out on Mars, will pull carbon dioxide from the planet’s atmosphere before filtering out dust and other particles so that it can be turned into oxygen.
Source: Discovery News
Author: Chloe Ross, Approving editor: Natasha Lee
219th Contact – Tuesday, June 16, 1987
Billy:
Then we can still exercise some patience. Let’s talk about something else. Although we’ve already talked about this several times, I would like a specific answer from you. As Ptaah said and showed to me, there is a lot ofwater on and also under the surface Mars in the form of ice, mostly very close to the surface of Mars, whereby the South Pole is of special importance in this regard. As Ptaah explained, however, not all ice consists ofwater but also of other materials. Now, the question about this is whether you have foresight as to whether thiswater can one day be used by the Earth people, once they eventually colonize Mars and can, so to speak, bring it back to life. And in the coming time, will the fact of the presence of the enormous canyons and black sand dunes and water on Mars be discovered by probes, if such should be sent to the Red Planet and reach this at all?
Quetzal:
89. That will be the case several times in the coming time in reference to the water, namely that large occurrences of water in the form of ice and snow can be proven by probes on Mars.
90. But the final certainty will first be attained at the beginning of the third millennium, and to be sure, by aMars probe that will be called “2001 Mars Odyssey,” as our look into the future has revealed.
CORROBORATED:
The Red Planet was once blue… Giant ocean once covered third of Mars
The area in blue shows where the ocean would have been. The yellow, red and green belt below it is where scientists found the valleys. They believe these were caused by water running from the south towards the ocean in the north.
Salome Wayne Sunter-Smith
To answer Dyson’s question about my memorization of the I Ching, first, I didn’t find it necessary to do so, it simply happened because of my reading it repeatedly. (In fact in my “conversations” with it, I could sometimes correctly anticipate it’s exact “advice” to me out of what I think amounts to a few thousand possibilities.)
The reason for that is because, during the period of my life when I was essentially homeless in NYC around the age of 26, I was particularly attracted to the idea of right conduct, and how the “highest good is to be without blame”, which seemed to be connected to the idea of always fulfilling one’s duty. It was interesting to me that the first words I heard Billy speak in person, in response to Mark Campbell’s thanking him for all he’s done for humanity, were, “Don’t mention it, it’s…my duty.”
Along with the concept of the continuous flow of change in all of life, a way of looking at cause and effect, I liked the emphasis on building one’s character through right conduct, especially since at this stage my life had been turned completely upside down and I didn’t have too many outside reference points.
The values in the I Ching reinforced my own intrinsic, internal but not very developed ones. I resonated with what I perceived as the nobility of Confucianism and Taoism’s view of the universe. I’d had zero philosophy studies in my fine arts background and, as it was the late 1960s, many of these types of things were having their moment among hippies, New Agers, seekers, etc.
Now, Dyson, please explain to us if you think the general characteristics of persons with the numerical value your birthday, as per FIGU’s system, apply to you.
Mike, do you have a link to that. I would like to look at it if possible.
Thanks!
The numerology info? No, I don’t don’t.
Dear Michael,
You demand, “Now, Dyson, please explain to us if you think the general characteristics of persons with the numerical value [sic.] your birthday, as per FIGU’s system, apply to you.”
I wouldn’t have a clue. Ask me about my race, why don’t you?
Because I wouldn’t have a clue what either the “general characteristics” of persons with the numerical value my twin and our birthday are or how they might apply to us.
Don’t you know by now that I’m not a member of FIGU?
Are you?
Don’t you know that the Plejaren numerology to do with birth dates is ONLY buried deep in the (German ONLY) Geisteslehre? (Or is SUPPOSED to be!)
Don’t you know that Geisteslehre students are expressly FORBIDDEN to discuss their lessons with outsiders, let alone PUBLICLY?
Billy has given me special personal permission to ASK Vivienne very specific questions, but I’ve never grilled her about Plejaren numerology, so I can’t meet your demands.
(But how do you come to have this information, which is only in German – unless Billy’s granted you the same privilege, or the occultists have got their forbidden – and twisted – English translations floating around?)
But I do know that these “general characteristics” come with a huge caveat, AND ARE ALWAYS PERFECTLY NEUTRAL. So even if, unlike me, your “birth number” (as is one of them, I’m told) is characterised with “destruction”, and is symbolised with the “grim reaper” (the faceless skeleton in the hooded black robe with the scythe who comes at the time of death to take you to hell) and he’s striding through a field, decapitating living people buried up to their necks, it’s STILL neutral, and, in order to act correctly, if you ARE aligned with Creation (and if your not, none of these characterisations will manifest), you will use your destructive character to destroy, for instance, belief, hate, racism, poverty, ignorance or prejudice, etc.
To be blunt, Michael, I’ve always taken a very dim view of people who concern themselves with things like “the general characteristics of persons with the numerical value your birthday” in the exact same way that I take a rather dim view of the “the general characteristics of persons of your physical stature”, or “the general characteristics of persons of your skin colour”. Or “the general characteristics of persons with your star sign”. Or “the general characteristics of persons of your age group”. Or “the general characteristics of persons of your race”. Or “the general characteristics of persons of your religion”. I personally think it’s odious.
Get the picture, Michael? I see it as no different to racism. I see it as very very negative as practiced by every earthling I’ve ever met who practices it. It’s no doubt different on Erra, but this is not Erra.
I prefer to acknowledge and accept and celebrate our superficial differences as strengths but concentrate on our fundamental similarities. And if you “think spiritually”, it becomes all about our spiritual sameness, as all being part of Gaia’s one human “we-form” and as such we’re all sibling of one big family.
I’ve met SO many spiritual NAZIs who say, “Oh, he’s “a Jew”, “a nigger”, “short”, “Yank”, “old”, “male”, “Pisces”, “13”, etc. – insert one or more of the above “general characteristics” as defined by some prejudice, occult pseudoscience, superstition, ideology, or another”, that to see you doing it here now is distressing and perhaps you can understand one of the reasons that Billy, the Plejaren, the scientific community, me, and all other rationalists condemn terrestrial occult astrology, numerology, phrenology and so on as well as all those other divisive and prejudicial, false “short cuts” to character assessment. You judge a person by their works, not their star sign or birth number or words if you follow the teachings of the truth.
Just trying to tell you why I’ve always been down on astrology, numerology and all the other occult pseudosciences as practiced here on Planet Bafath.
I have more to say, but I’m now pressed for translation time. We’re doing a good long section about the striving, and it seems like it’s being done at an enormous pace in spite of the fact that it’s laboriously impossible to translate.
Salome.
First, it’s my fault that this isn’t posted on the astro-blog, as I opened the dooron this one too for Dyson’s response. But if there’s any more response/discussion of it, let’s do it there.
There are all sorts of generalizations that may contain soothing useful…for those people who are inclined to ascertain their usefulness. The trusty old Farmers’ Almanac has been in use for almost 200 years and has an over 80% accuracy rate in terms of its annual forecasts. Does everyone use, accept, rely, care about it? Nope, obviously not.
Do we see correlations between the phases of the moon and tides, planting, human behavior? Yeah, it seems so. Is referring to it and/or its forecasts or predictions and generalizations also some equivalent to…racism?
Yes, I’m a passive member and it’s when I was in the company of a number of core and European passive group members that there was some talk about the most basic associations and generalizations connected to the number of the day on which one was born. Basic generalizations.And dang if sometimes they were spot on; maybe just a matter of chance. (BTW, did I tell you that I guessed the exact day of the acupuncturist who treated me in L.A. two weeks ago? 1 out of 365, not bad. But my overall record on this particular “game” of mine is only around 20% – 30%.)
“But I do know that these ‘general characteristics’ come with a huge caveat, AND ARE ALWAYS PERFECTLY NEUTRAL.” Yes! Exactly, positively, certainly and that’s also what other people and I alluded and referred to on the astro-blog, such as:
“As soon as the top of the head becomes exposed, influences from the outside world are concentrated and penetrate through the top of the baby. The effective emissions of outer influences complete the whole and improve it.”
“Astrology is the study of the movements and relative positions of celestial bodies interpreted as having an influence on human affairs and the natural world.”
“Now my interest has mainly been in terms of wanting to know what influences may be present, positive or negative. Kind of like a weather report. And I can truthfully say that sometimes that info was not only interesting but contributed to my understanding about things in retrospect.”
“Astrological impulses are a reality, but how they are gathered, judged and implemented by a person is a VERY individual matter.” “… it’s
not the astrological aspects only that have an influence on one’s own life; in fact, other factors are more important.”
“While I’m interested to see if future events can be foretold, again its the influences and patterns that personally interest me. I like to use EVERYTHING available to me to stimulate my mind, etc. I think that Tony’s accurately described some of the influences, perhaps more than he has specific events.
So, while we’re all different, there’s a certain portion of terrestrial humanity that’s long been interested in these things, including astrology, numerology, etc. – despite not playing with a proverbial full deck of accurate info here. Do you really think that, eons ago, some Plejaren (or originally Lyran) just woke up with the correct astrology? Doubtful. Probably lots of trial and error, kinda like here on Earth.
And while there may well have been frauds and charlatans misleading the people, through the process of time and refinement, etc., they developed the correct one, and have taken it to whatever levels of mastery – and usefulness if any – they have now. That’s one of the reasons why, as I stated on that blog, that I basically gave Tony a forum to put his stuff out there. Maybe he’s at a historical contribution point, maybe not. I don’t know for sure but I thought I’d take the risk.
So when you do your broad brush, “I see it as no different to racism. I see it as very very negative as practiced by every earthling I’ve ever met who practices it,” I recall how my eccentric cousin – who, I take it, you haven’t met – correctly solved a child kidnapping case, or more correctly produced all of the correct details of it before they occurred.
Now the majority of people throughout time have probably lived their lives just fine without knowing about, or dabbling in, such things. But of course you’ve equated any and all levels and categories of such interest with…racism, Nazism, etc.
So, regarding that little thing about using gewaltsame Gewaltlosigkeit, or some kind of overkill, when it’s possible to reduce the amount of necessary force – and exaggerations that trivialize things like racism and Nazism – wouldn’t it be nice to deescalate such rhetoric in order to really make your point?
I’ll go farther and say that the way we discuss these so-called “taboo” subjects can also reveal things about our own character, beliefs, prejudices, thinking, etc. Who we are isn’t always the same as who we think we are, or how we represent ourselves to others. Billy also talks about how we put or project false personalities instead of who we really are. Isn’t it also obvious that I knew that opening a subject like astrology up for discussion wasn’t exactly compatible with FIGU’s position on the matter? But I was also curious to see where it would lead and what it would reveal.
Since you probably didn’t see my request for it before you posted, let’s take any future discussion about such things to the astro-blog.
Hi Mike,
I as we’re talking about one person that is “pretentious” here with the title of this this thread being attributed to him and we have another active person for Astrology where he himself has responded to us that would be described as “pretentious”.
We’ve been chasing this stuff for more than 100 posts and we haven’t found it yet and the one person that has the answers delays and refuses to provide them. One thing I see is a lot of double talk. He expects us to take 7 years of his stuff (minimum) to get some simple answers to prove astrology to our selves. So, do we have to sit through 7 years of his teaching, will it then be proven to be clear to us?
And any questions we have to ask him directly gets deflected from what he saying and putting back to us. We’re being asked to have an open mind but instead are being suggested to have an open imagination here? I wonder how he gets paid for 30 years. That’s a lot of years to doing this type of research and I’m sure Tony has some money behind him to afford the internet and spend time on your blog here.
And, isn’t it an insulting response to asks a questions and get “way over our heads” suggesting we’re not intelligent enough to have a conversation with him, then get ignored and not worth the time. Pushing the theory but not taking responsibility to responding to folks that have questions suggests something. What is this really about?
We have to ask the hard questions here. And, we wonder if he gets offended by hard questions. If he’s not offended by the hard questions then why not answer them? Why wouldn’t any one ask questions about someone claiming to be the World-wide expert of ‘corrected’ Astrology?
I think that Tony does have to address this, as I’ve stated before.
As far as what I have personally seen with the DP(I am not a member but was a “contributor”)… It seems Greer has mostly succeeded in turning it all into something it was never “meant” to be.
It is interesting to have put so much thought into it back then… to think about it again now? It is obvious people like Dyson have never stopped thinking about it through-out the years!!!
Amazing not more here have researched it “back then?”(I could be wrong) to what got Greer to the point we are at now. It is important to know “that” to understand the “now”. It is two very different stories!IMO….
And trying to keep to MH’s initial post…. As much as I am amazed at how far south the whole DP went, it is still very important in coming to a conclusion of what it is now. In that, if not, then all that people like Dyson have done will have been in vain…. and what Greer and his crony’s have done… will have been a success. Truly a double edged sword.
The guy(Greer)went from the Disclosure Project…
To the vile ************ puppet we now know…
Even in his basic description he puts the gold behind the turd.
Steven Macon Greer is an American retired medical doctor and ufologist who founded the Center for the Study of Extraterrestrial Intelligence and The Disclosure Project, which seeks the disclosure of suppressed UFO information. Wikipedia
Truly a conundrum of thought that takes a lot of understanding in the whole matter to come to a definitive conclusion.
If that’s what one is in to within this particular subject..
Personally… it seems both Dyson and Michael are on the opposite ends of the whole Greer story. There is no way to truly understand for oneself, unless one digs into the meat in between.
Though that is truly obviously up to each, within there own…..
I threw in the multiple ****s up there as the comment was just a wee bit excessive, even though I may agree with it. I didn’t want to right away let ad hominems appear and I just had a free moment to bleep them out. Let’s stay tight on the descriptives.
I will try harder to not use that language….
Can imagine this is a lot of work as it is!!!
Thanks MH,
Regarding my outrageous allegation that Billy shot people:
Now I think I might be wrong, I haven’t found the entry, but I think the contact notes DO say that’s what happened (Quetzal revealed it) and Christian denied it, the way Bernadette denied it in 2007 (and I’d forgotten the private email denials), in much the same way that OM DID INDEED say the Buddha WAS a “real” prophet, but subsequent FIGU sources deny it. (See my subsequent correction corrections).
So if I was wrong, I said I was sorry and I’d try to learn to make records of FIGU’s private denials of text “facts”. I’ll say it a third time. I’m sorry.
We’re supposed to learn from our mistakes, not be eternally condemned for them.
It would be best to let this slide, I think, but if someone want to nail it down one way or another, that’s OK too.
Gotta go. Busy busy. All hell is breaking loose. Sorta the way truth works.
Cheers!
🙂
If it turns out to be true then it’s another matter of course.
As for your having already apologized, true but since you have repeatedly demonstrated how prolific you are at lavishing criticism on those who you have unjustly accused of all sorts of unsubstantiated offenses, I thought you may want to have the opportunity to use your ability to be just as prolific and incisive in your own self-analysis, description and self-excoriating of the “dangerous” inaccuracies, distortions and liberties you took and how they indicate that the Dark Order has obviously manipulated you, infiltrated the blog, “damaged the truth”, etc., etc., you get the point.
Of course, on the other hand, if we’re entering a little more sober and balanced period, where questions and statements of fact, and the patient, fearless pursuit of the truth supersede jumping to conclusions, unfounded accusations, ad hominem attacks, etc., then so much the better.
Time is tight. This (3rd DRAFT!) just now done.
(63) How to Live
“..the mistakes which are pointed out can lead to their rectification in the future. Therefore the human being ought to let the mistakes of his/her past be pointed out to him/her but he/she should defend himself against resulting reproaches and rebukes as well as useless dialogue and discussions along the same lines.”
Cheers!
… and Zoroaster Dyson.
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/OM_%C3%A2%E2%82%AC%E2%80%9C_The_Book_of_Books_%C3%A2%E2%82%AC%E2%80%9C_The_Book_of_Truth
The truth of the truthful knowledge was taught to the Earthly humankind since ancient times and already given to Adam.
The human races and peoples of Earth were provided prophets from ancient days, and for this reason were sent to Earth Enoch (Henok) and Elijah (Elja), Isaiah (Jesaja), Jeremiah (Jeremja), Jmmanuel and Mohammed in direct succession and with ensuing rebirth, next to Johannes and Elijas and Hjob and all hosts of other upstanding and righteous ones, as they also were Buddha, Zoroaster and Babatschi and others.
They were all selected and led and sent partly through the JHWH and partly through themselves and in knowledge and ability as prophets or spirit leaders to the humankind and peoples of the Earth, yet all were slandered and persecuted and their teachings and their words of truth were falsified in lack of understanding or hate, and so wrongly-leading and false religions and sects have come into being.
Well spotted, Duke! Thanks for finding that article. I THOUGHT I’d SEEN it before, but didn’t recall that we’d also TRANSLATED it. (I tend not to pay much attention to the English, and often miss the..um…”corrections”.
😉
Let’s stick in the immediately FOLLOWING verse too, in the spirit of the little axiom that a good teller of the truth has no honour in his own community.
OM 20:96 “They were all selected and led and sent partly through the JHWH and partly through themselves and in knowledge and ability as prophets or spirit leaders to the humankind and peoples of the Earth, yet all were slandered and persecuted and their teachings and their words of truth were falsified in lack of understanding or hate, and so wrongly-leading and false religions and sects have come into being.”
Further reading:
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/hardlanguageoftruth.htm
Cheers!
OOPS! Too hasty! So sorry! I have to learn to always read ALL of something, not just part. (I saw the second paragraph and automatically assumed that it was the German original.) D’oh!
That tells me I’m over-stretched here and should pull back and do other things for a while. Maybe try again to contribute to Stuart Robbins’ blog, although mysterious technical reasons have to date precluded that.
🙂
I drop a leave a response whenever I like a post on a site or I
have something to add to the conversation. It’s a result
of the sincerness communicated in the article I read.
And on this article Stephen Greer, UFO groups harm truth
more than government cover-up. I was moved enough to create a thought
🙂 I do have some questions for you if it’s okay. Could it
be simply me or do some of these remarks look like written by brain
dead individuals? 😛 And, if you are posting
at additional online sites, I’d like to keep up with
you. Could you make a list the complete urls of all your public
pages like your linkedin profile, Facebook page or twitter feed?