Regarding Billy Meier as the Reincarnation of “Jesus Christ”
The first thing to say is that this claim is utterly impossible, since there was no person named “Jesus Christ” who lived about 2,000 years ago. “Jesus Christ” is the fictionalized version of a real human being named Jmmanuel (pronounced the same as Emmanuel of Immanuel).
Having declared this distinction, it can be stated, as a matter of fact, that the actual claim is that Meier is indeed the reincarnation* of Jmmanuel, as well as a certain number of other specific prophets said to be in this lineage. It must also be acknowledged that the information substantiating this claim will not be well received, thought through and/or accepted by many people.
While I have been aware of this information for some time, I have not focused on it, up until recently. I tried being even less subtle in presenting the claim but, surprisingly, no one seemed to pick up on, let alone attack, it. Since Christians have been, and will continue to be, waiting in vain for what I call the “Second Helping” I thought it would be a good idea to point out that what and who they have essentially been waiting for has long been present and working on the same task at hand that his various predecessors also were involved in.
Of course there’s never been any mission to “save” people from their so-called “sins” and absolutely none of the other convolutions of the mind-numbing, enslaving versions of Christianity, or any other religion, have any validity as they intentionally direct people to put the complete responsibility for their own lives onto some imaginary god, savior, saint, etc. None such exist, except as creations of very confused human beings, so the worship, hopes and expectations directed towards them are simply god-delusion and the abdication of the essential personal responsibility for one’s own life that applies to every single human being.
As is to be expected, therefore, this message of self-responsibility is to be found in abundance in the true spiritual teaching, despite having been expunged from virtually every religion, “holy book”, etc.
Perhaps in a quasi-humorous attempt to subtly awaken, if not chide, the more fundamentalist Christians who anticipate that their “savior” (dare I say, “heaven help us”?) will “descend from the clouds”, Meier was allowed to take photographs from within a UFO of two other craft flying above the Swiss countryside. If the concept of “what goes up must come down” isn’t too scientific for them, the “true believers” might lubricate their thinking by contemplating the implications of the photographs, especially since Meier indeed “descended” and landed after he took the photographs.
Meier’s role as the prophet for these times certainly affords him no glamorous, celebrity-centered position. As always, it is a basically thankless task necessitated by the thick-headedness of the mass of humanity, which has succeeded in perching itself so precariously close to the precipice of an almost bottomless pit that a plunge into it is almost inevitable.
While the claim that Meier is a prophet, and the reincarnation of the major ones before him, will disturb if not enrage Christians, it will sit no better with members of other religions, atheists, skeptics and know-it-all scientists, of course. None of this has any bearing, naturally, on the validity of the claim. Meier has stated that humanity will take approximately 800 more years to civilize itself and evolve to the status of rational, logical and truly loving real human beings, who value and live in real love, peace, freedom and harmony.
It would be nice to see this happen much, much faster but an objective view of world conditions, human consciousness – and religious delusion – seems to speak strongly against this likelihood.
*Technically, the “person”, i.e. the personality, doesn’t reincarnate. It’s the spirit (also called “spirit form”) that reincarnates, so we are never the same person but always a new person with a new personality, consciousness, psyche, etc.
Keep up the awesome work you are doing here in the U.S. Michael Horn and despite what the ignorant and those who have been brought up to believe in these erroneous cult religions think about Billy keep up the struggle and the truth will grow with every ear that wants to listen. To those brought up in these religions I say open your mind and your heart and this just might reach you and it will remove those shackles that has enslaved you in religious darkness. Feed your spirit a good healthy dose of truth. Salome.
What a waste of time. You both are a fraud.
Catholic church is a scam
If, you were to just look at the information and see that maybe, just mabe there is a some truth to this, but you make you conclusions using your lack of knowledge. Knowledge is the key to all this. Open your mind.
Ed, if you claim someone to be a fraud in the court of law, don’t you have to provide proof for your claims? Good luck on tackling the Meier case because as of today, most debunkers who have claimed Meier to be a fraud have no evidence and just point to pictures as being faked. The biggest fraud is religion and yes there’s tons of arguments that prove religion is the biggest fraud. so keep on passing your money to the collections plate and hope that you are blessed by the invisible being who you have erroneously named Jesus Christ. Why don’t you take a look at the Old Testament to see what his name was before the frauds named him Jesus Christ, and please prove Horn and Meier are frauds.
Interesting theory.
Conversely accusing someone of fraud on the internet (in a comments section) amounts to little more than internet spam. Interesting that someone who’s not interested in this is reading it though.
Dear Mr. Horn,
Thanks a lot for providing us with such an excellent explanation. There will always be someone like Ed, blind ones, ignorant of the Truth… for them it is better to blame on someone, to avoid responsibilities, to evade from facts. Facing the evidence is too much for them.
But some human beings can see, feel and believe what the logic and reason shows about Mr. Meier without any doubt.
Thanks to your articles and written thoughts we may follow what Mr. Meier is doing… huge task he´s got on his shoulders during his whole life. Huge task and responsibility is also upon yours for disseminating and spreading it all. Thank you Mr. Horn!
Peace and love for everyone involved, peace and love also for those remaining ignorants on purpouse cause they will understand one day.
Salome from Spain.
Carlos
Hi all, I would like to know what Muslims think about Billy, as every Muslim I know is adamant that Mohammed was the last ever prophet. For this reason I’ve never felt the opportunity brought up the subject of Billy with them.
Thanks
Thanks Michael of your effort in promoting billy’s mission. I was once a filipino catholic but when i read billy meier’s notes, listened to your talks and others like wendelle stevens, lee elders, and other famous writers/researchers, for me, only morons can’t see the truth of the matter. keep up the good work, though i know its tough and risky on your part. Salome.
Considering the wealth of information shared by Billy, it strikes me as an impopulair attemt to gain attention speaking about this. I myself have can see the possibilty. As written, many would object to such a case. Therefore I would say that it harms the mission of Billy to write about it. It becomes more of an easy ‘target’ for ridicule and disbelief. The information on itself is already of great wealth.
As for the rest of the message, about religion, lately the protest against the vatican is rising faster still. Also the investigations in media corporations is going further. The awakening is already beginning.
There has been a lot of developments in the consciousness in man and in the individual hearts of people since Billy’s encounter.
Respectfully, flying around in a spaceship does not make someone God. There is only one God and it is not “Billy Beer Meier”. He is not God. God is a holy spirit and does not dwell in this material world with us. Intellectual delusions of grandeur and self ego fulfillment belong to “Billy Beer Meier” and his eccentric misguided followers, no matter how grand their material flying saucer kingdom may seem,and no matter how much it stimulates stubborn scientific minds , it is not and never will be equal to God’s paradise. This is only my own observation personal opinion and I alone make these statements.This does not mean that I don’t like Billy and his friends, it only means that I disagree with their explzanation of God’s kingdom.
You are most entitled to your own interpretation. I only say one must keep an open mind, and we have yet to descisvely see proof against this case, as hard as it may be to convince ourselves that this is in fact truth.
I wanted to offer my own interpretation of this.
Without turning anything into a religious war, it is amusing that the very anti-reaction to Billy Meier being anything other than a crazy man, and indeed not a prophet, I believe is also the reaction Christians both “historically” and I believe currently hold towards anything that looks like the “final” signs, something I believe Revelations decrees everyone will ignore. Oh the fait of would-be saviors
Here is some REAL TRUTH………Urantia.org
I was going to mention the Urantia Book, I try to bring it to peoples attention when I can, I would love to know if Billy Meier has read it and what he thinks of it. there are simularities to his beliefs but important differences too,for instance, his extraterrestials do not seem to believe in God, which is worrying. Given the choice I think I will stick with the Urantia teachings,there are a lot of half truths around at the moment
You apparently haven’t bothered reading his materials at all, if you would go through the freely available texts, the aforementioned extra-terrestrials make no claims that “God” does or does not exist, unless you, personally, insist on knowing how he may or may not exist. They do, in fact, point to, to quote loosely, an all-knowing, all-encompassing, all-existing entity, which their supposed scientists believe exists (I have not read any claims of corroboration of this, merely that this is what they believe). Unless you insist that the Earth is in fact the center of the universe, I see nothing incompatible with current belief systems, in so far as at least the spirit of the thing goes.
Unless claiming that the letter of spiritual “law” must be also followed, which frankly is as ridiculous as claiming that the Earth is the center of the solar system, solely to apeal to your religious ego. Mayhaps you can think outside of the geological box a bit, matters of the spirit were never meant to be ruthlessly materialistic.
This whole thing with the Urantia book and other “holy books” underscores the problem. And notice that the person refers to Meier’s “beliefs”, which, if he had familiarized himself with the material, would know don’t exist. Meier has no “beliefs”.
He has his extensive personal experience and first hand knowledge.
On the other hand, the “believers” are stuck with religions and their “gods” which were invented by human beings, refer to human beings and which rely solely on an illogical premise for their foundation.
That childish, inadmissible premise is, “What’s in this book is true…because this book says it’s true.” Wow, there’s real “proof” for you!
As far as it being “worrying” that the extraterrestrials don’t “believe in “God”, as we enter the Age of Truth and Knowledge, we will leave the Age of Beliefs – and all of it’s bloodthirsty, barbaric, illogical and insane religions – behind. Hopefully those people who are fascinated with illogical, convoluted text like the Urantia book will direct their attention and scholarship to the spiritual teaching brought forward, once again, by the prophet of these times.
M.H. Why do you think that the Urantia Book is illogical, but Billy Meier’s teachings are not ? Unlike many people, I have never got all my knowledge from just one source, which is why I have familiarized myself with Billy Meier. Like Billy, we all have our personal experiences to help us to make sense of the world, to rely on just one person or book to tell us what to think and believe, would be illogical, surely “Creation,” by its very name, needs a Creator ? And what exacly is the Absolute Absolutum If not God ?. Yes, its true that organised Religion is manmade, but the orignal teachings that inspired them, before they became twisted by man, were not necessarily,
I have a funny feeling that most of the people who get into the Urantia book and take it seriously were formerly Christians. Being already softened up by an illogical, fabricated religion certainly would make one susceptible to drinking the kool-aid for the next glorified version of it. Forget for a moment that this precious “God” of ours has only been around for some 5,000+ plus years – less than the blink of an eye in the Creation.
So to answer your question, “Why do you think that the Urantia Book is illogical, but Billy Meier’s teachings are not?” the reason is that I’ve actually read most of the teaching available in English. There is no comparison to the heavily religious, unprovable and unsubstantiated information in the Urantia book. I don’t think there’s anything that you can really call a teaching in those texts.
We all have our experiences, certainly, but there is a wealth of scientifically corroborated information to be found in the Meier information that finds no comparison in the Urantia book (http://theyfly.com/WILL_HUMANITY_WAKE_UP.html). Further, there’s nothing to believe in Meier’s work, only very clear, logical means of ascertaining its accuracy and truthfulness.
And certainly the Absolute Absolutum is not “God”, who we first learn about when we discover him in the Old Testament. “God” is the original maniacal, genocidal terrorist of the OT, who contradicted himself – after all, how does the author of Thou shalt not kill (murder innocents) reconcile with this “God of love and mercy” who commands the death of “every man, woman, child and infant in their mother’s arms…without mercy”, as he did in the OT.
The answers that human beings seek about the meaning of life, its origins, evolution, etc., will never be found in the dead and death dealing religions or their “holy books”. While these of course contain scattered smatterings of truth, they are shown to be painfully inadequate and corrupted versions of the truth, as reading and thinking one’s way through the Meier material and the spiritual teaching will reveal.
there is alot of nonsense to trail through, particularly on the net, in order to realise things of real value and worth for your own and others lives. honestly, i think when you take the time to actually read the subjects that are covered, in hundreds of cases, by the people said to be giving the knowledge to meier, if you are sane, there is only one conclusion, that is, he is getting this informationn from people who are covertly alerting and informing a more primitive race to so may aspects of life and existence. Forget about dopey spacecraft pictures, beacause thats what they are in relation to the knowledge. you just have to look through history to realise, the real, genuine, enlightening people are destroyed by the mass of ignorance. As for those that are still in fear, believing in dietys and such, well, we were the centre of the universe some hundreds of years ago! does that not tell you something about what and where we are?
This morning i saw a person in the mirror i thougt i should write a report of a encounter of the third kind.
M.H..When you disparage God, by refering to the Old Testament, you start to sound like an Atheist, which I suppose is what you are. Actually, the first attempt, that we know of, to create a monotheistic religion was was by Pharaoh Akhenaten in 1,350 bc. and I would like to say that your “funny feeling” is incorrect in my case, I have read many Sacred texts and Channeled Writings, apart from the Bible, before deciding the Urantia book was the most impressive, but there are also many others I like, such as Allan Kardec and Winifred Moyes Zodiac messages to name just two.. I have also read the Oahspe and the Aquarian Gospel, I do believe that Celestial beings/Extraterrestials exist and that some of them are trying to help us, I believe George King of The Aetherius Society was probably genuine,.But when you say Billy meier is the ONLY source of truth and a reincarnation of Immanuel, I have to have my doubts. he says nothing I have not read elsewere, he has just removed God .
There is no “God” to disparage, only long dead ETs who played the role for primitive humans who had no knowledge of other beings, technologies, etc. So to be an “atheist” requires that theism is the standard, norm, reference point, etc. It isn’t. Life itself, as well as humanity, have been around far, far longer than the terrorist “God” of the OT, or any others.
Meier is not the “only source of truth”. It’s just that the spiritual teaching, as well as other information that he’s brought forth (scientific, etc.) has proven to be extraordinary in its clarity, wisdom and accuracy. It’s obvious that you haven’t read much of Meier’s material, since if you did you’d know that you certainly haven’t read it “elsewhere”.
And, of course, since Meier’s written over 26,000 pages (most still in German) your claim is further shown to be utterly inaccurate.
True, I have not read all of Meier But it’s clear you have not read all of the Urantia Book, the Bible or any of the other writings I have read, or you would not describe God in such an ignorant way, God the Father is the name we give to the First Scource and center of all things, it is infinite, it exists outside of time and space in a form our finite minds cannot comprehend its spirit creates and sustains the Cosmos, it is the ultimate personality and source of love, primative man believed in many Gods. It was Celestial beings that taught man to whorship the one God instead. Meier’s teachings are similar to Gnosticism, but with God removed and a creatorless creation in its place, either Meier is hoaxing for financial reasons or he is communicating with the wrong sort of Angels/Extraterrertials/Nephilim, call them what you will. There was a reason Jesus told us to be “discerning” in our dealings with “Angels” also, nobody has ever tried to gain money and fame from the Urantia Book
I HAVE read thoroughly, the Urantia book, several times. While it was the only variant source, I had taken the time to invest(and investigate), I found it overly complicating as to the many being levels – though the whole of the Urantia work was a channeled text. The organization has had many disagreements, and internal battles and struggles, that most religious organizations also have. Also, I have read many thousands of psuedepigraphic texts, Gnosticism, and other religious texts – few compare to the directly and openly communicated dialogue (Meier Contact reports – of which I have read over 90% and many other texts from him).
The argument of single-source “truth” is a valid one, but one must always choose according to the highest intelligence and wisdom they have attained.
I do NOT (neither does Meier, according to what is available) “worship” any ‘thing’, and choose instead to continue to evolve with the best reasoning and sources open to me. “Religion” is in the state of mind, and can be an infection to any – including Meier followers. There is NO Meier ‘orthodoxy’ – only the admonition to learn, to test, and to accept cause-effect results – from my Earth-human point-of-view.
T57
i recently read Meiers essay reportedly from his 11th birthday, thats something extraordinary, also his letter to world leaders at 14, thats something no ordinary person does i think. Thats all available for anyone to read online, but i dont think people are interested…its too damaging to their perspective, probably better to stay safe with what they know, or think they know.
George King may have been authentic? in all seriousness comparing this mans work to Meiers is ridiculous. this man who was probably manipulated by an e.t source(there were so many) ever heard of the giza intelligences?
well they were very prevelant in e.t contacts, their agenda was negative mixing truths with bullshit like ‘cosmic master’ ‘master jesus’
the 50′s and venus, venusians, go together like a horse n carriage. that may have washed then, problem is as time goes by everything thats false fades away with knowledge, the e.ts whoever they were who give out this info really didnt have much foresight and there plan was always to portray themselves as saviours of earth humanity. there are no saviours, only us, we’re the saviours, if we choose to be
I got into the Urantia book in the middle-1970s and saw that it was a rather convoluted, religiously viscous bit of fantasy.
I delved into the Old Testament primarily to see if what Meier and the Plejaren were saying about “God” was true. Surprisingly, instead of tons of evidence for a “God of love and mercy”, there was a vengeful, capricious, sadistic, genocidal terrorist commanding – and even carrying out himself – vast murderous slaughters, including of the aged, women, children and infants.
My COMMON SENSE told me that this certainly wasn’t the “Creator” of love, life, beauty, harmony, peace, justice and mercy, to name a few. But people who BELIEVE this crap have long abdicated their own thinking and discernment, passively accepting that, “What’s in this book is true…because this book says it’s true.”
So, unfortunately, each of your posts simply regurgitates the brainwashing, the meaningless, cultic phrases and cosmologies promoted in these insidious books and religions and shows zero capacity for incisive, independent thought.
And if you’d like to put one piece of evidence on the table for ANY of the claims you promote – including that Meier is some kind of profiteer because he dares to speak the truth and has become the target of vicious, idiotic and murderous humans – please get to it.
I hope my comments don’t seem too ambiguous or vague.
M.H. Of cause, I personally have no proof Meier is deliberately hoaxing, indeed, as I said maybe he is being misled by the fallen ones, As regards the Urantia Book I think it speaks for itself, even though it was first published in 1955, there is nothing in it that has been proven false, and the Bible made a lot more sense to me after I had read it. Most modern Christians do not believe the Old Testament to be relevant to them. Jesus/Yeshua, (yes we know Jesus is an english translation of a latin translation of the original Hebrew) came to correct Judaic Law. which had become twisted by mankind,, hence the New Testament, then of cause, Christianity in turn gets messed about with by Constantine, to claim God does not exist because you don’t like the Old Testament interpretation of God, is Childish, .
And of course you also have no personal proof that the Bible or the Urantia book is anything but manmade fabrications based in fantasy and illogic. And since you also have no proof that “God” exists – in fact you ONLY have this concept/being BECAUSE of religious fabrications – then the truly childish thing is to try to bang anyone over the head with that foolishness.
To put it plainly, since you have NOTHING to base “God” on but manmade religious texts, there’s nothing more childish than proceeding to try to use this fictitious being as an “authority”. Just more of the “What’s in this book is true…because this book says it’s true” garbage.
If you want to post again please SUBSTANTIATE the whole “God” Premise…WITHOUT quoting or referring to the toxic, manmade “holy books”…if you can.
If “GOD” created all things. Who created “GOD”?
M.H. I would not presume to say that any one book or person has all the answers, although that is what you are doing, all the reasons you give for not believing in a God, could just as easily be used for not believing in Meier. All anybody can do is read ALL the available written historical evidence and use their OWN Judgement, their own personal experience is always more valuable than somebody elses personal experience, that is where we find God, God is in our hearts.we can ignore it but it is not going anywere. That is all I want to say.
I will leave any further responses to those who can stomach repeated illogical talk about “believing in Meier”.
What part of “there are NO BELIEFS” didn’t you understand? We don’t have beliefs, Meier doesn’t have beliefs, the Plejaren don’t have beliefs.
YOU have beliefs. FIne, enjoy them. You have simply wandered into the wrong room with your fairy tales and imaginary “God”.
recently i read a book called “the golem envealed” and i learnd that the Sepher Yezirah is also called the book of creation
That is from the ancient courses of metafhisics, of very old age
And i also learnd that knowledge is the child of female and male in the universal sense of gender and polarity, no teaching hase sense without the practise, well lets start with honestly then.
in all respect
The moment your skull entered this world of insanitie you were searching for the truth.
Interesting read… However; I find this and most of the other stuff to be rubbish. I’m siding with Ed. Just as you ask where people’s proof is to refute your claims, where is yours to make it right? I see only words and baseless conjecture.
I checked Michael Horn’s about page and find it very hard to believe him to be as famous as he supposedly is and for me to have never heard of him. A Google of his name yields few results. All that comes up is his this blog and Billy Meier. No film credits, no e-book creations, no nail art origins, nothing.
As for Billy Horn, he is equally if not more ludicrous in his “fame”. His metal samples he claimed to have received from the Plejarens and sent to Marcel Vogel for examination are awful examples of proof. Vogel wasn’t even a metallurgist. And a scanning electron microscope couldn’t determine the atomic or molecular structure of any of the substances, or any at all for that matter. Don’t even make me mention his “prophecies”, as they are laughable at best. The world has yet to enter a third World War, yet it’s last supposed date was this year and it is coming to a close. It’s “calling card” was that four world leaders will die within seven days of one another. This has yet to occur. Even then, the third World War would be two years away , past the prophecy date. So what does Meier do to back his claims? He states that these “prophecies” are just probabilities that are subject to change. I have no doubt that World War III will occur at some point in time, and I guarantee that Meier will be there when it starts to say he “prophesied” it.
His photographs hold no truth either. It is insanely easy to recreate photographs of UFOs and have them look believable. Every time his photos are disproved, he states that they were “tampered with by the government” or something similar. His ex-wife Kalliope has stated many of his photos to be fakes and proof of the photography of Asket and Nera has even surfaced. Michelle DellaFave has confirmed that she was asked to take part in the photography as one of the two extraterrestrials for Meier.
How you people believe any of this is beyond me. I myself believe in no god or any religion. I’m an atheist all the way, but what you people are saying is absolute garbage. No, I don’t think there isn’t any extraterrestrial life, but i highly doubt they’d choose the “prophet” Billy Meier as, essentially, their contact on Earth. It’s almost like a cult here. As for how I found this, it was a slow night with random YouTube searches. So much for Michael Horn’s “fame”. I had never heard his name in my life before now and I already wish I could have forgotten it. You all open your eyes up to the so called “truth”. Accept that this is all there is to life. There IS nothing interesting in it other than what you, yourself, make. You really are as insignificant as you seem. You aren’t a prophet or anything of the like and neither is Billy Meier. Get over it.
And also, MH, you state that people who believe in a god or any holy book believe in it because it is simply written down. You find what Meier states and presents as evidence is fact though. You have absolutely NO form of evidence to support his or your claims. Go ahead, present any piece of evidence that isn’t personal opinion or a form of faith or anything of the like. I want cold, hard fact, nothing else. You ask the same of the religious people. I ask the same from you.
And should we be surprised that this bit of diligent “research” and logical thinking comes from…an anonymous person?
I think they express the essence of their own problem quite nicely, “I checked Michael Horn’s about page and find it very hard to believe him to be as famous as he supposedly is and for me to have never heard of him.” First, who said I was “famous”, as if that would be important? Secondly, there is nothing to “believe” and using one’s obviously limited thinking abilities – along with big doses of parroted and incorrect information from the internet skeptics – as refutation of anything is quite pathetic.
So, just for the record:
1. EVERY credential and/or credit that I posted on my biography page is ABSOLUTELY true and authentic. I don’t run around using my own personal credits as a prelude or to, or authentication of, Meier’s information and evidence. I do have it there because, having actually never been really “trained” in any of those areas, I am indeed proud to have made something of whatever talents I have. So the griper we have here – who claims he simply “found this, it was a slow night with random YouTube searches” – sure seems to have already gotten an awful lot very wrong.
2. Regarding the metal samples, this poor wannabe apparently HASN’T actually read the reports on them, nor did he notice that Marcel Vogel used SPECTRAL ANALYSIS to determine those properties that can only be assessed trough that means, and the scanning electron microscope where it was appropriate. Further, whoever this anonymous poster is, clearly at 10 years old, they weren’t busy synthesizing the chemicals that create bioluminescence in fireflies. What IBM recognized in Marcel Vogel that this copy-and-paste “researcher” doesn’t, is that Vogel was respected for his genius and his cross-specialized scientific knowledge…not because he had letters after his name.
3. Complaining that we haven’t had WW III yet is hardly a sign that Meier isn’t absolutely the most prophetically accurate individual in human history. All one would have to do – which this person obviously hasn’t done – would be to actually read all of the prophecies and predictions (found easily enough on my site) and the article with the dozens and dozens of specific scientific corroborations. That shouldn’t be so hard…for an honest researcher. Actually, many of us have already done the researcher, this person would merely have to find, read and then critique it.
4. If his photos were so “easy to recreate”, why did it take literally decades of efforts before people could make miniature MODELS of them and create visual effects that only mimic Meier’s? Not one person who claims to have actually duplicated Meier’s photographic evidence has had their versions tested using the same standards that were applied to Meier’s. And who wants to put money on the fact that Mr. Anonymopus here has either made any, or had any tested? Right, no one throws their money away as easily as this person throws their completely unsubstantiated words around.
5. Meier’s ex-wife passed a lie detector test (100%) supporting Meier’s truthfulness…as did 15 other people. Their children, who also witnessed the UFOs, to this day support him. And there’s a videotape with her affirming his truthfulness too. Add to that about 100 eyewitnesses to the UFOs and events surrounding Meier. Any more questions on that?
6. As for the Asket and Nera photos, obviously this late night genius didn’t see the rather long article and documentation about that. (Note: I deliberately, and uncharacteristically, didn’t put any links here for reference, as I think our skeptical friend probably has many “slow nights” and now has a focal point for something more productive than copying incorrect information from the already defeated skeptics.
7. As for there being any “cult”, I guess the skeptic here will be interested to know that a fellow skeptic effectively proved that NOT to be the case, as all evidence and reason has already long revealed. Since it has apparently eluded the keen investigative work we have been treated to, a forthcoming press release should clarify that too.
Since he couldn’t find my films, The Silent Revolution of Truth or Breaking the Silence, and couldn’t also find my paintings, the 1967 Harper’s Bazaar magazine and fingernail art photos, my INSIDE KUNG FU magazine articles, etc., etc. I would suggest that this connoisseur of the arts “friend” me on Facebook where many of these items are posted.
Gee, gosh, oh golly, I hope this…helps.
Alright. You have my apologies, MH. I am skeptic by nature and very much agree with some of your points seen on this site. Yes, my research, if it could have been called that, was very….lacking. I merely wished to know more and I apologize for basically attacking your credibility. I still have much suspicion about all of this.
I did see the list of Meier’s prophecies and predictions though. While they were very, for lack of a better term, interesting, I still find them to be…somewhat general. And with the ability to say that some of the prophecies are inaccurate or subject to change, a guess as to there being, for example, water on Mars could have been given at any time over and over. If it was found, it was true. If it wasn’t, then oh well, roll again. Many of his predictions seemed easily guessed with any scientific research or something of the like.
Again, I am sorry for attacking you under an anonymous guise with little to no research. I’m very questioning in my nature and always have been. I do believe in intelligent life farther than our planet, but I don’t see undeniable proof of contact. As for why I said you weren’t “famous”, I meant it in a very general way. When I read award winning for film, I just thought of an Oscar or something of the like. I’m sorry for my rigid thinking. While this sounds…stupid, it was 3:00 in the morning and I was overly tired and already agitated from the former day. I’m not pushing everything on that one excuse though. Again, you have my most humble apologies.
Dear Maddox,
It’s no problem whatsoever. I tend to joust with those who want to joust and, hopefully to assist those who are simply seeking the truth. You may just be an all-in-one!
And since you are so darned gracious about it let me offer you this link:
http://theyfly.com/WILL_HUMANITY_WAKE_UP.html
I truly stopped updating some time ago because not only did the “hits keep on coming” but I started to incorporate the new corroborations here and there into this blog.
If you do go through each and everyone of the items we point out, I think you’ll see that this far surpasses any generalities and luck. Sure, we could always say, “Anyone could have said that.” But the facts as I’ve found them to be so far are that no one actually has done that, and certainly not in every one of the various categories. I, and many others, have many of the actual books and/or copyrighted documents that contain the quoted passages, etc.
In fact, what really got me to see that this absolutely wasn’t just about UFOs, was my reading the information published as a “new in 1988″ about the connection between the ozone damage and atmospheric atomic testing, explosions, etc. I had already had that information in my own hands since 1986…and Meier had first published it in the 1970s.
Let’s also remember that ALL of this – including all of the physical evidence – was presented by one man, a one-armed, so-called Swiss farmer, actually beginning in 1951. Please also see the article about the foundational evidence in India, form 1976.
So, thanks again for your courteousness and let me know if I can help you nay further. I do also suggest participating in the FIGU online forum, linked form my site, where people form around the world discuss the pros and cons of the case.
I couldn’t wait for that day when we all look back and find books in our modern library where HOAX Histories, and one day tell our children how we were once part of that age – The Age of Lies and Deception.
what i can say about the FIGU german website is this
-the proof is given
-the discussion on the forum is good education
-the teachings and books are a treasure
-the bulletins are actual and super interesting read
- etc etc etc
I can only advise enyone to go there, the forum is english
Thank you Billy Figu M.H and all the others
Michael, do you ever compare what Billy is saying to biblical scriptures? For instance, Matthew 1:23 “The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel”–which means, “God with us.”. If you go to Genesis, the Bible talks about “angels” who came to earth and bred with earthly women.
The bible speaks of celestial bodies and terrestrial bodies. If you listen to Katt Kitty’s two hour youtube video, she clearly states there is a race of people in heaven who resemble humans but they aren’t human. I understood this to mean celestial bodies the Bible speaks of. The Bible says man is made is God’s image. Also says Adam walked with God. Speaks of angels being a different race but “higher” than man. I don’t think this man is disputing the Bible at all. He’s actually confirming much of it. As for abortion, the Bible speaks about removing a fetus from the womb and a man wasting his “seed” confirming that abortion is also mentioned in the Bible. I think even though he’s got a lot of things right (true prophet), we should consider that the celestial beings he’s communicating with, while attempting to help us, are capable of misinterpretations just like we are. If they got Immanuel right (still Jesus Christ), and angel Michael, the question then becomes why would they leave out the existence of God? Now if you read the Bible at all, you know the Bible states, “know ye that ye are gods”? I believe some of what he says is true because its also in the Bible but he loses me when he denies God. I also disagree with him when he says we cannot communicate with people who have passed on. Didn’t they communicate with Lazarus?
Before people denounce the Bible as myth and untruths, they should actually read it. More than once. Also, do some research on Biblical prophesies. Its not a big stretch to say UFOs exist since if there are celestial beings in this vast universe, surely they must travel somehow. I really struggle with a lot of this because it wasn’t taught in my upbringing, however, I’ve always wanted to know “more”.
I have the same kinds of dreams that Billy does. But before there was a Billy or I, there was a guy named Daniel in the Bible. I love knowledge and always want to know the whole truth about the God I love so dearly. I will continue to read prayfully some of Billy’s information and compare them to the Bible. One question I’d like Billy to answer for me. What do they say about the “holy spirit” and in the genealogies, is Henoch the one and same Enoch who was also carried into heaven and met God?
Dear tweetybyrd, You sound like somebody who thinks the way I do, I would like to suggest you read Allan Kardec’s The Spirits Book, Winifred Moyes’s Christian Spiritualist, Zodiac Messages aswell as the Urantia Book, all free online, also there is much on the Sacred texts website that is fascinating, hope you find this helpfull, God Bless.
Yes, of course. If you don’t have enough irrational, illogical, fear and confusion inducing gibberish in your head from the “holy books”, add these for more dead ends and delusions.
Dear Tweety,
I have often referred to both Isaiah 7:14 and the line in Matthew to substantiate that the actual prophet’s name was Jmmanuel (Immanuel, Emmanuel). And as you familiarize yourself with Meier’s information you will come to the rather difficult news that there is no “God”, no “heaven” or “hell”, no “angels”, nor “Jesus Christ”, and that the Bible is mainly fabrication and disinformation, with occasional things of value here and there, etc.
You will also learn that Billy isn’t “dreaming” in regards to this information, that the scientific information provided to him by these actual extraterrestrial human beings is consistently being corroborated by our own scientists, usually years and even decades after Meier has published it.
And you don’t have to take my word for it; there’s absolutely noting to believe here and no deity who will condemn you to eternal damnation if you don’t. My blog, website and those linked through them have an abundance of free information that you are invited to work your way through. You can even participate in the FIGU online forum, linked form my site, to discuss all this with people from all over the world.
Tweety….its good to question everything, you seem like a thinking person. its hard to get on board with somethings because we are raised, generally, in ignorance with long established stories of how people have interpreted reality. Im in my late twentys but i know there was a time i would have believed in a god, its what you want do when you are a morally inclined person. there has to be an order to things right? it dosent make sense but you figure ”well thats the way it must be” etc we know it can inspire alot of good, and belief is addictive to people cuz its nice and dreamy, everything will be alright as long as i live accordingly and love god etc I’ve been there.
Im digressing a bit here! oh yeah, some of your points, regarding contact with the dead, Billy didnt say you cant contact the dead, this is one of many misunderstandings with him. The plejaren stated that there exist very few real mediums on this planet, there are lots of people who can connect to the other sphere but there is no knowledge, only remnants of that persons life while they were living, so its mostly a futile, sentimental procedure. Again, its an aid for recovery for some who are in bereavement, but ultimately its not a good thing because they have lived there life and no longer concerned with this life.
As for someones statement about human-like beings in ‘heaven’ in the bible heaven derives from ‘the heavens’ which obviously means other planets from which beings came. so of course there are humans in the ‘heavens’ and human like, because all that exists in this universe is matter ‘fine’ and ‘coarse’ the latter making up stars, planets and the beings that develop on the planets. Life is seemingly complex but paradoxically very simple, the spiritual aspect is the part that troubles most. To me, now, its really very illogical to suppose we are provided the secrets of eternity on this planet within one lifetime and so readily available to every jane and joe. The fact that other beings have been visiting here for thousands of years should tell you something, i say fact because when you research everything it is indisputable. im rambling now! the plejaren have provided a wealth of info on so much, its just fascinating to say the least.
Michael;
I enjoyed reading through this(1st time for me), and the goal IS being accomplished(I suspect you already knew that) – that of stirring the mind so as to assist its evolution and that of the Earth-humans connected to those minds!
From my limited perusal of apologists and detractors statements on Eduard Albert Meier “Billy”, I find many, if not 90% have failed to cross-reference their reading, (as to the many position statements contained in the Meier material) – though that is a time available to read statement(many of us do not take the time to do such).
I have studied across many disciplines and cross-referenced the data where disparate source-material connected areas where little few have been(in their conclusions). Having been raised on a Native American reservation, I learned early on that history is rarely truthfully reported – in single reference points. AND, having been inside the printing-publishing industry for over 40 years, know first hand, the translations processes, and text generation of books, histories and dogmas.
ANY student of history can find all the source materials, I found. ‘Billy’s’ material has passed through the same ‘human hands’, with detractors from within and without.
FROM all my studies, his goal(as well as the Plejarens’) seems to be to generate sufficient stimulus to cause the minds and heart inside us to evolve into something better.
I find that process WORKING very well!
Keep it up!
T57
Verbatim: this post
“*Technically, the “person”, i.e. the personality, doesn’t reincarnate. It’s the spirit (also called “spirit form”) that reincarnates, so we are never the same person but always a new person with a new personality, consciousness, psyche, etc.”
The above sounds confusing since it is suggested that Billie is the reincarnation of prophets of old. And strangely all his incarnations are born with the same purpose – Prophethood.
This begs the questions – what about all the other prophets and messengers? Are they considered false or lesser prophets because it is not of Billies incarnated lineage? And what makes this lineage exclusive? Im at the thought, after reading this and well searched on Billie, that what makes the Pleiadians different from the other galactic races and why is it their involvement that appears to be exclusive, especially regarding prophethood of their messengers? Clearly there is an agenda that needs investigation especially since it raises contention within religious communities about their prophets. How is this meant to imbue UNITY – something the Pleiadians preach?
As much as I’ve read the many Meier material and remain inspired by the wisdom, I’m growing more disappointed in ‘royalty’ claims
Jesus, Mohamed, and awaited Mahdi in Islam all seems to be Billie. What about people, real conscious people, who came claiming to be the Madhi or some Warner or Sage?
Let’s look into this.
Regarding the Mahdi being Mohamed Abdullah (as your post read) -
I have to point out that many assert that his name will be Ali Mohamed – different from Abdullah – that is one point…
In 1800s The Babi movement believed their founder to be the Mahdi. As well as the Bahai Faith who spreads this message and the Prophet founder Bahaulla (the supreme manifestation of the Bahai faith) also claimed that the Bab (meaning the Gate) is the Mahdi. Before we debunk these claims, we can search their prophecies, way before Billies, and compare if they were true prophets. In my opine, they were sagely accurate.
The life and agenda of the long expected Mahdi was/is meant to correlate in Hadith and amongst Islamic folk lore. If Hadith have some measure of truth then it appears to have come to pass about 150yrs ago.
In 1844 (1260 AH) The Imam Mahdi appeared and was born with the name of Ali Mohammad. He was later titled The Bab due to his high and divine intellect and more so his knowledge on Islam was able to challenge the dogmatic imaam rulers. Because he challenged many social issues, in spreading equality and the like, he was a threat to the ottoman rulers. The Bab was captured, subsequently executed by gunfire by 700 regimen, in broad daylight. According to history, the witnesses claim, a miracle occurred after the smoke cleared. He was not at his post of execution except for a young man who willingly joined him. He was found completing his thesis in his cell. Then another attemp with new regimen was successful.
When we investigate the story and his intentions to bring awareness to his people, who were ruled with nefariousness, we will find that his actions were very similar to those of Jesus character. Being that he apposed the rulers and brought greater awareness to the many suffering. The reason I point this out, as I could many other soothsayers of past and current, is that share the difference between them and Billie Meier.i.e they were actively involved and directly challenged the rulers and were exiled or tortured and even killed because there was no stopping them. My point is, their was a man who prophecied and certainly intended messages of unity and integration. Do we exclude such a man BECAUSE he does not fit the reincarnation line of Enoch and the ‘exclusivity’ of the Pleiadians? I certainly don’t think so and if this is expected of us, then I have my reservations towards Billie and his teachers and their past messengers.
I am not religious, nor have a religion, but do accept that people are and can be messengers for each other, without having to be of an exclusive clan. Especially, I, recognize those who risk their lives in search of Humanity’s betterment, such as the Bab, Ghandi and even Mandela are all equals as far as i can see it. However with regards to Billie Meier, I cannot see him fit the/your description of this Mahdi awaited in Islam, albeit me being a follower of his wisdom and teachings. Because it was expected of the Mahdi, according to folklore, that he would bring about positive change in Islam. The muslims are far from positive. I also have to point out that Billie Meier has wrought no improvement when compared to Bahai movement’s active involvement in unity in diversity by millions of participants worldwide. They actually making a difference compared to any other religion thus far.
Billie Meier may have a mission to fulfill from The Pleaidians – But – to date I personally see no positive change wrought by his wisdom. Perhaps in the near future yes, who knows, but currently their remains a large amount of skeptics and religious folk who appose his literature especially his claims of being a true prophet, as if denying all who played a positive role here. The irony for me is someone claiming prophetic staus in a wayward world, referring to religions in general, and still having to claim that no God exists but Creation, makes it nearly impossible to gain favor by a people you hope to invite and imbue positively.
As for the claim of Billie being Mohamed will remain erroneous as long as Islam exists, because Islam does not accept reincarnation theory nor will they accept any claiming the return of Mohamed. Pertinent to note is they are believers with faith meaning they are taught to believe in spirituality without the need for proof.
Again the irony of hoping to invite readers of your wisdom yet raise contention, is simply not wise and defeats the initial purpose. The same applies to Jesus scenario. I’d much rather state that man needs no Saviour or prophet to guide them than profess exclusivity or the same spirit, which btw imbues pedestal worship – something mankind can do without. The world remains in turmoil because of mans inability to reason, consequently the very hinderance to earn us this long awaited and professed world peace.
Sadly though these are the 4,5 billion religious people who needs to be appealed to, as they are the greater population needed to make this unified paradigm shift. After all who are these sage Pleiadian messages intended for?
Throughout history, namely at the advents of every of the 11000 plus religions, denominations and cults, we will discover a parallel in its cause of divisions, global disunity and lack of integrated spirituality due to this very dissapointing fact. The world remains perpetually challenged with consequences wrought by passionate representatives using every source to augment an agenda. It makes no sense to ardently prove or express a persons status as incarnations of past prophets and or the fulfillment of a long awaited prophecy. It just doesn’t make sense. Such undiscerned claims are the cause for perpetual negation against the organization you represents, FIGU in this case, and the causer of doubt to yourlisteners and seekers of wisdom. Not very wise Mr Horn.
Regards
Shane Schuller
South Africa
You are apparently completely unaware of the actual content of the information, prophecies, predictions and spiritual teaching; one can’t get it all from reading one – or ten – blogs. You would also realize that the man’s name is spelled Billy and that there are no “Pleiadians”, that the people are called Plejaren.
No one with wisdom to offer the world is discriminated against because they are not in the lineage of these prophets. It would be helpful to dig deeper into your own beliefs about prophets and their purpose, into your beliefs about religions and that there is something lacking in the content of the Meier material because a world of over 8 billion people are essentially oblivious to it. We don’t have any intentions of “gaining favor”. And as far as Meier not being sufficiently “challenged” by his opponents, a little of the very necessary for you research would reveal 22 documented attempts on his life.
And if you “see no positive change wrought by his wisdom” then perhaps your are looking in the wrong place, outside of you, instead of within where wisdom should develop if one applies themselves to the process of learning. There is no one to deify, worship or exalt, nor is there any need to become a believer, follower, etc. You have attributed many erroneous things to Billy Meier, the Plejaren and to the mission.
Please feel free to go beyond your hastily drawn conclusions and also to consider joining the FIGU online forum where people from around the world discuss – and challenge – the information.
Mr Horn, I am fully aware of the content and have been researching and spreading his information for many years in my community. Thus don’t appreciate your assumption and the way you defensively respond accusing me of earning my info from blogs, as if you an authority on this matter. Furthermore you fail to understand the essence of my post consequently jumped to conclusions as if you protecting sacrosanct material and we dare not question it. Well in my opinion, actions like that is no difference from age clergymen and an embarrassment to a worthy cause. Your approach should be monitored by your own consciousness.
I in no way claimed to disbelieve his case nor debunk his work and Plajeran (not Pleiadian). You may note my responses on your other blogs and other sites as well are not against but for Billy’s (not Billie). However regarding this specific subject – prophethood…And not questioning his prophecies as i do subscribe to it, but prophet lineage and the way its presented by you. Therefore felt it imperative to point out as I did.
The point is very obvious, that it imbues negation. Specifically looking at all past religions having earned global disunity, I would imagine the Plajeran, with their time travel ability and awareness of past issues, would know better than spread a message of prophethood in the manner of Jesus, Mohamed and Enoch etc. Billy and FIGU too should be aware of this. My questions are clear, how wise is it to disseminate messages that intend integration and peace, with ‘tools’ of invitable destruction?
Mr Horn it seems again you lack tact in your response and overlook importance.
Verbatim: ”And if you “see no positive change wrought by his wisdom” then perhaps your are looking in the wrong place,”
“You have attributed many erroneous things to Billy Meier, the Plejaren and to the mission.”
Please point out where have I done this?
“Please feel free to go beyond your hastily drawn conclusions”
Mmm…hastily drawn conclusions.
So my questioning/addressing causes of disunity and disintegration are hastily drawn conclusions???
Like I said Mr Horn, you not very wise and yep you right may be FIGU online would be a better place to address these matters as you clearly have no way of responding.
Thank you for your time.
Shane,
It seems you have a problem with the information provided by FIGU regarding the prophet lineage. The bottom line is that you needn’t accept it, nor is it the essence of the message or the mission.
Any ideas that it promotes some kind of disunity, cult status, dangers, etc. are your opinion but seemingly lacking evidence. People are free to decide what if anything the information means to them. And of course it just may be true, if Meier’s record of truthfulness is considered. If the truth is going to be interpreted negatively or “upset” some people, so be it. The message is the same spiritual teaching that the six previous prophets brought and if you familiarize yourself with the Goblet of Truth you may perceive the underlying truth to the claims of this lineage.
If you get value from other teachings, information, etc. that’s fine. But I should point out that you repeat tales about religious figures that you call prophets, etc. without one shred of evidence for their veracity, other than myth and legend, while Meier’s voluminous evidence, physical and prophetic gives a foundation for his credibility.
So far as negation of others is concerned, if that’s how you interpret it so be it but what is negated by the truth other than that which is false?
This isn’t a competition, a “my prophet is bigger than your prophet” issue. Of course I wonder just why it would bother you if Billy Meier is simply the current personality of the spirit form that also enlivened the six prophets before him.
Shane. I had not looked at this thread in almost a year then by pure chance I discovered it bookmarked in an old phone and reread it a few hours after your last post, which I thought a strange coincidence, seeing as there had been no other comments since I last looked, I believe you are right to question Meiers claims to be a reincarnated Prophet. I believe you were probably drawn to his teachings because there is a lot of truth in them. But Meiers ‘teachings’ are not really new, he seems to have adapted them from Gnosticism, Neo-Platonism, Hermeticism Rosicrucianism, some Spiritualist channeled works, but mostly Theosophy, Theosophists call the First Source, the Absolute and its’ first emanations the Logos, this is the part of The Absolute/God that is at the centre of the Universe and that we are Spiritually Evolving towards. Meiers has created a Religion for Old Testament hating Atheists
It’s not important to believe or accept that Meier is a reincarnated prophet. All that is important is to delve into the documented information that establishes that he is indeed the prophet of the new time…that is if one wants to test the claim.
When you say that “he seems to have adapted them from Gnosticism, Neo-Platonism, Hermeticism Rosicrucianism, some Spiritualist channeled works, but mostly Theosophy” it only shows that you are completely unaware of the voluminous spiritual teaching itself. And of course it appears that you take the “Absolute/God that is at the centre of the Universe and that we are Spiritually Evolving towards” belief without question or recognition that you are parroting just another…belief.
Shane, I also believe the last incarnation of true Prophets were The Bab and Bahaulla, (although I’m not a Bahai), Meier is all too low in his nature and personal life to be what he says. I’m actually a Christian Spiritualist I like the teachings of Andrew Jackson Davies,(the true prophet of the new age) and Stainton- Moses, Silver Birch and winifred Moyes. The Urantia Book is interesting too. .Angels/Aliens are talking to us, but are they talking to Meier ?
You say, “it’s not important to accept that Meier is a reincarnated Prophet” but I rather think it is, because if he is not, then he is either lieing or he is delusional, which would put a doubt on the veracity of his other teachings. I have looked into his material that is available online, as I have an interest in ALL modern Revelation, but I can see no reason to believe Meier is the only source of truth any more than the Bible or any other Revelations or channeled Teachings are. But my belief that God is the ultimate source and centre of all things is a common one in many different Teachings. You actually sound as closed minded in your beliefs as any Religious Fundamentalist or materialist Atheist. PS I noticed the second half of my last comment did not appear.
Once you do the necessary research that includes over 130 specific, verifiably prophetically accurate scientific information, all the concern about terminology and whose prophet, beliefs, (imaginary) “God”, etc. are irrelevant.
So before you decide that I’m closed-minded, do the necessary investigation not only only into Meier’s impeccably accurate information but into…your own beliefs.