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Credibility Commits Stuicide

I’ve been an outspoken, harsh critic of many of the skeptics and pseudo-scientists who attack the Billy Meier case, especially Stuart Robbins.  I hoped that Robbins would realize that censoring things that he can’t explain, which by their very existence destroy his arguments, is disappointingly adolescent, pseudo-scientific posturing.

I was, therefore, excited to see that he had in fact apparently done a good deal of research in preparation for his latest blog, specifically focused on Meier’s information about Jupiter, its rings, Io, etc. – and my claims pertaining to it. I thought that he made some good points and I am glad to give him positive acknowledgement for his efforts.

Unfortunately though, once again, Robbins is a victim of his own ambitions and prejudicial beliefs and so his credibility has virtually hung itself. Rather than face being called to account for not the addressing the assumptions, defamatory accusations, sloppy science, etc. that he enthusiastically churned out, he again censored a couple of posts of mine, and at least one other person. He cited their non-relevance to the topic at hand rather than credit his readers with the intelligence and discernment to determine their validity for themselves. I’ve included them below*.

It needs to be recognized that in 1978 – in a world of approximately 4,500,000,000 people – one most unlikely man with no formal scientific training, published very specific information that was later proven to be accurate.  Rather than this being an isolated, lucky guess, this same man has a record of well over 130 such specific examples of his foreknowledge of what would later be called “new scientific discoveries”.

That Stuart Robbins also goes out of his way with sophistry and disingenuousness to not allow the presence of additionally amazing physical evidence supporting Meier’s claims is both sad and cynical. When you visit Robbins’ blog, please pay especial attention to the comments and challenges posed by Mahigitam. And note the dismissive comment regarding “minutia” by Robbins that so contradicts what a real scientist would indeed be hungry to address and evaluate in Mahigitam’s comments.

Until Robbins can rise to the occasion and resuscitate his credibility, acquaint himself with the real world, real science and real common sense, we are left with a comic book, make believe, self-congratulatory example of utterly fear-driven pseudo-science.

And, considering that Robbins accurately predicted that I would blog about his cowardice…why is he so loathe to accept the voluminous evidence that Billy Meier’s been publishing prophetically accurate information, on far more important matters, for over 60 years?

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*The censored posts:

I think that Andy is correct and I also second his appreciation of Stuart’s discussing this topic. There is an elephant in the room and it seems that Stuart has noticed it himself but also taken great care to warn others to… ignore it.

Why?

There’s apparently only ONE man – among billions on Earth – who has published significant amounts of specific, accurate scientific information either before anyone else knew or published it, or before it was publicly known, or which was only known to a tiny number of specialists.

Stuart has – ethically speaking – absolutely opened the door for the UFO evidence to be admitted to the discussion. How? By his own admitted speculation – which he then also says isn’t his job or goal – that the actual source of the information was probably a newspaper article, the radio, an astronomer, a friend, someone who provided Meier’s (magical) access to information that previous internet searches by a number of people never revealed and indeed Stuart’s expressed claim that Meier must have falsified and/or backdated information.

In what ethical, investigational procedure is the accused NOT allowed to defend himself, let alone explain HOW he came to possess the item, or information, under question? It’s often vital to judging one’s guilt or innocence. Shouldn’t those who are going to be the judges in this matter be allowed access to ALL the evidence…and not have it suppressed by someone who is in effect “prosecuting” his case?

If we think about the situation and the context we may also notice something else quite interesting. Stuart has introduced these speculative “accomplices” which also implies a…conspiracy. Then he states that he’s not interested in discussing his accusations, identifying the person or persons who would be complicit in this conspiratorial hoax, or even being challenged about his claim that the evidence is “most consistent with him having gotten it from terrestrial sources”.

Stuart may not be interested…but there are many, many people around the world who are.

Is it at all ethical, under the guise of an objective, scientific evaluation of the matter, to deliberately exclude and prevent evidence – which, I should add, has indeed been tested and authenticated by experts in their respective fields, including just within the past few months! – just because the accuser doesn’t like it, so much so that he resorts to floating conspiracy theories?

I’m also glad that Andy dwelled a bit more on the subject of motive, which, in the real world, is obviously enormously important. In fact, Stuart’s conspiratorial theories for HOW Meier may have accomplished getting his information would fall under the category of means, in the consideration of the three aspects of a “crime”. While Meier isn’t accused of a particular crime (or is he?), he is effectively accused of dishonesty, calling into question his character and reputation. And by Stuart’s stating that he could have obtained the information via a newspaper or radio report, he implies that Meier had the third element, the opportunity. Of course Stuart hasn’t so much as told us what newspaper, or which radio station, provably carried this information, in German, and whether Meier actually could be shown to have had access to it. Nor of course who, among all of Meier’s known friends (who would most likely be the willing conspirators, rather than a stranger) he’s implicating.

As I said, a man’s reputation and character are casually called into serious question. And the man doesn’t get to FULLY defend himself, nor is his accuser REQUIRED to substantiate his published accusations? Would Stuart be so cavlier in his defamatory assertions and inuendoes about one of his peers, or a scientist who is as well known as Meier now actually is worldwide?

Instead, we have a bit of the magician’s trick going on here, i.e. look over here, at all these obscure papers (none of which have apparently disproven Meier’s accuracy)…but don’t look at the elephant in the room.

Comment by michael812 — October 23, 2013 @ 1:17 pm

Stuart, why don’t you show a little more trust in your readers and their intelligence, as well as a tad more courage, and let them decide if what I submitted was “off-topic”…or if maybe it’s a matter of your not being able to handle the heat in the kitchen. As someone who of course has a successful blog myself, I can tell you that I do trust my readers and have only stepped in when things were out of hand (some profanity and bad behavior).

When you post an article implying that Meier’s a dishonest person, trying to say that my rebuttal ‘s “broader material” is, again, something you allow your readers to determine . In fact, it could be said that your censoring that post of mine in particular is the equivalent of your waving the white flag.

Rather than my posting a blog that is made up of the material that you refuse to allow, which just doesn’t make you look that good, why not bite the bullet and, if your readers take exception to it and say why, etc., then, well, we deal with that?

Comment by michael812 — October 23, 2013 @ 8:57 pm

 

So then Stuart, we are awaiting your response to Mahitigam’s seemingly logical refutations which points to conscious or unconscious unprofessional/unscientific missing-the-forest-for-the trees interpretations and leaving out relevant sentences that would invalidate shortsighted erroneous conclusion-making.

Rather, it appears in light of Mahitigam’s work, that you are the one pointing out minutia, rather selectively and out of context, and therefore promoting incorrect understanding of what has been conveyed in the referenced contact reports. This has nothing to do with falsely convincing anyone of anything on either side of the issue. This has to do with getting at the truth.

Comment by Bruce — October 24, 2013 @ 2:27 am

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curlymoses
curlymoses
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October 25, 2013 7:37 am

Stuart Robbins better get started trying to find ways to refute further astronomical information from Billy and Ptaah regarding Sol system’s binary twin Dark Star and it’s satellites.

Ptaah: “That is right. The SOL system is a binary star system, where the SOL twin is a so-called Dark Star, as you say. Its size is about ten times smaller than the SOL itself, whereby this twin also has its own planets orbiting around it, as you have known since 1975. The radius of the Dark Star to the SOL encompasses more than a light-year, therefore, more than 9.5 trillion kilometres, and the circumnavigation of the SOL’s centre of mass, that is to say, SOL’s own orbit, amounts to around 26 million years.” …”The hitherto existing astronomical technical equipment and devices are still not suitable. But it is only a question of time until a corresponding discovery occurs. The currently existing technical devices are not yet capable, however, of capturing the extremely faint light of the Dark Star and its satellites.”

–from http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_544

Dyson Devine
Dyson Devine
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Reply to  curlymoses
October 26, 2013 3:01 am

Good point, curlymoses,

Poor Stuart, being German-illiterate, obviously has NO idea what’s yet to emerge from the Pandora’s box he’s just peeked into.

Don’t forget that only a very small fraction of the scientific information Billy’s providing has ever been translated into English.

Marco K.
Marco K.
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October 25, 2013 12:04 pm

Michael, I seriously don’t understand why you are still wasting your time and energy with this guy. He obviously is not interested in finding the truth, because it would ruin his career. It’s pearls before swine.

Sheila
Sheila
Blog Member
October 25, 2013 5:43 pm

There once was a pseudo scientist named Stuart Robbins
Who used much the same tactics as Lorena Bobbins
He cut off their comments
Pretending his dominance
Too afraid of the truth from the mobbing

Bruce
Bruce
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October 25, 2013 6:44 pm

I think it speaks volumes that Stuart has as yet failed to even address Mahitigam after all the excellent work and analysis, not to mention the precise and logical critiques he had of Stuarts debunking attempt. He runs a public blog and then brushes off valid points by Mahitigam.

And now he has called in his attack dog, who calls herself “Nereid”, to fend off logic & common sense from the lowly peanut gallery.

curlymoses
curlymoses
Blog Member
October 25, 2013 7:20 pm

Mr. Stuart seems to have removed my comment regarding Meier’s description of the volcanic activity of Io as “enormous explosions that hurl out their ejection material like atomic bomb mushrooms” from CR 115. Compare that description to Wikipedia’s on Io’s volcanism “Explosive volcanism, often taking the form of umbrella-shaped plumes…” What can account for Meier’s accurate description of volcanic explosion plume shapes observed on Jupiter’s moon Io?

Dyson Devine
Dyson Devine
Blog Member
October 26, 2013 1:46 am

Dear all – friends and enemies alike.

Thanks go to Stuart for his very welcome (albeit unwitting?) assistance with the exposure of the truth. As they say in Hollywood, “Bad publicity is good publicity”. The Plejaren know this universal truism and take fair advantage of it in their unearthly methodology.

http://www.tjresearch.info/denial.htm

And “Ultimately, the enemies only contribute to the recognition of the truth…“

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_010

At this stage, trying to keep this trimmed down to a twit(ter) entry here is doomed, but I’ve learned a lot in the last decade and I’m NOT going to allow myself to be sucked in again the way I was in 2003 by Stuart’s co-worker, the aptly named Steve Novella, President of The New England Skeptical Society.

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/MeierDefamer.htm

(“A novella is a work of fiction somewhere between a short story and a novel in length. That amounts to around 20,000 to 50,000 words, or perhaps 50 to 100 printed pages, if published. It’s a good length to practice writing longer stories before approaching a fully-blown novel.”)

http://www.wikihow.com/Write-a-Novella

OK. Back to Jupiter.

I’m a translator, so I thought I should address Stuart’s facile accusations that the translator may be to blame. What’s that? Shooting the messenger while clutching at a straw?

I hope to contribute something broader here soon, but let’s think about this narrow but foundational aspect of the dim-witted, long-winded debate over at Stuart’s bad scientists’ website about Io’s craters which can initially be addressed while still within the primary level of LANGUAGE.

It’s actually the EARTH languages of Latin, Greek and Spanish – which the English-language scientists deliberately use to obscure things – which are presenting problems for Stuart and his merry band of practised sophists and sycophants. It’s not MARTIAN.

Sadly, “science”, as currently still exercised here on Planet Suicide, deserves to be categorised as part of the “occult” (Latin – “occultus”: covered over, concealed) because the truth is SO jealously guarded – from normal lay people, by its high priests looking down on us “cattle” from their lofty, ego-gratifying, “ivory towers” – that even THEY lose sight of what they’re doing and fall prey to their own historic thirst to play the role of omniscient gods who command the exclusive monopoly on the “truth”. Meier’s texts single them out for special blame for most of Earth’s (pre)historic ills.

Before we go any further, PLEASE read: “The Science Delusion”

http://www.gobookee.org/sheldrake-the-science-delusion/

Then do an image-search for “Io” so we can look at a photograph of what Billy looked down on (up at?) in September, 1975.

“The mapping [of Io] identified 425 paterae [Latin – “bowls”], or individual volcanic centers”.

http://www.universetoday.com/94238/first-ever-geologic-map-of-io-425-volcanoes-no-craters/#ixzz2im1v4dJv

Now please do an image search for “volcanic craters” to prove to yourself that they exist here on planet Earth.

“A volcanic crater is a circular depression in the ground caused by volcanic activity. It is typically a basin, circular in form within which occurs a vent (or vents) from which magma erupts as gases, lava, and ejecta. A crater can be of large dimensions, and sometimes of great depth. During certain types of climactic eruptions, the volcano’s magma chamber may empty enough for an area above it to subside, forming what may appear to be a crater but is actually known as a CALDERA.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volcanic_crater

“A caldera is a cauldron-like volcanic feature usually formed by the collapse of land following a volcanic eruption. They are sometimes confused with volcanic craters. The word comes from Spanish caldera, and this from Latin CALDARIA, meaning ‘cooking pot’.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caldera

OK. Caldera (Spanish: “cooking pot”, from Latin, “caldaria”, English: “cauldron”)

And a caldera may “appear” to be a crater.

So, we can all politely agree that there are (almost) no IMPACT craters on Io, but what about VOLCANIC craters?

The word “crater” comes from the Greek word “Krater” (bowl, more specifically, “a large bowl used in ancient Greece for mixing wine”.

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/crater

German – “Krater”. Take my word for it.

OK. Quick review:

LATIN – Paterae = bowls [“individual volcanic centers”]
(425 of them have been mapped on Io.)

GREEK – Craters = bowls [“circular depressions in the ground”]
(of various origins, including “impact” and “volcanic”)

SPANISH – Calderas = cooking pots [“may appear to be craters”]

Now. please try to hold all that in your head, and let’s look at what Billy actually wrote.

In contact 115 of October 19, 1978, Billy said,

“Aha, und damit wird dann auch nicht herausgefunden, dass die Ringgewölke um Jupiter zu einem grossen Teil aus durch grosse Vulkane vom Mond Io herausgeschleuderten winzigen Partikeln besteht, die ja teilweise vom Jupiter eingefangen werden, während jedoch der allergrösste Teil allen herausgeschleuderten Materials wieder auf Io zurückfällt und praktisch alle Vulkanöffnungen beinahe wieder zudeckt, so aber auch auf die Ebenen und Gebirge fällt, wodurch dieser Mond im Gegensatz zu den andern Jupitermonden keine zu grosse Kraterlandschaft, sondern eher eine phantastische Ebenheit aufweist, trotz der vielen Krater?”

Which was nicely enough translated by my friend and fellow “official FIGU translator” Benjamin Stevens, as: “Aha, and so, will it also not be found out that the ring clouds around Jupiter, to a large extent, consist of tiny particles ejected from large volcanoes of the moon Io, which are, in part, captured by Jupiter, while the greatest part of all the ejected material, however, falls back to Io and, in turn, almost covers up practically all volcanic openings and also falls on the plains and mountains, by what means this moon, in contrast to the other moons of Jupiter, exhibits no too great crater landscape but rather a fantastic evenness, despite the many craters?”

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_115

Billy simply said, “trotz der vielen Krater” (despite the many craters).

He never said, “trotz der vielen Einschlagkrater” (despite the many impact craters), nor did he say, “trotz der vielen Vulkankrater” (despite the many volcanic craters).

With the regard and respect he deserves, I hope that point is no longer lost in Stuart’s “Skepical” arguments.

In 1979, four years after Billy saw Io, the first time I saw a beautiful Voyager photo of it, I saw all those weird volcanic craters and thought, “What funny-looking impact craters”. Who wouldn’t, under the circumstances?

“Astronomers had expected to see impact craters when the first pictures came in from the Voyager probes. Instead, they were shocked to find that Io has almost no craters. The surface is extremely young, and is constantly reshaping itself. The most surprising discovery on the Voyager mission was that of active volcanoes on Io. IO’S SURFACE IS LITTERED WITH HUNDREDS OF VOLCANIC CALDERAS.” [my caps for emphasis]

http://www.seasky.org/solar-system/jupiter-io.html

It’s not Billy’s job – let alone Ptaah’s – to debate the dogmatic know-it-alls.

That jobs falls to us alone.

These days I tend to side with fellow German-reader, Marco K, on this one, (“pearls before swine”), but I also fully understand Michael Horn’s valid points too. (“I have my own little self-obligated mission to help bring awareness of the truth to as many people as possible.”) And obviously I still share Michael’s mission and I still want to respond to other issues Stuart and his devotees are (seemingly) hung up on to do with how the truth is found and proven, but I do this blog work in my spare time, and still have a big book translation underway, so I’ll leave you with a pertinent quote from the Talmud of Jmmanuel:

TJ 19:18-22 “If your neighbour does not listen and continues to be enslaved by a lack of understanding, leave that person be, for they are not worthy of your teaching, once you have done everything possible. It is better to let an unreasonable person walk on the path of misery than to bring confusion to one’s own consciousness. Truly I say to you, the heavens will collapse before an unreasonable person can be taught reason; therefore, beware of such persons. Sow the seeds of wisdom on fertile soil where they can germinate, because only the germinated seed will bring forth fruit.”

Cheers!

Dyson Devine
Dyson Devine
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Reply to  Dyson Devine
October 26, 2013 2:33 am

BTW, while Stuart’s debating Billy Meier’s (non) use of the word SIMILAR, in contact 210, it might be worth looking at the word he actually — — — USED, being “ähnlichen”

“dass ich auf dem Jupiter einen ähnlichen Ring gesehen habe wie auf dem Saturn.”

(that I had seen a similar ring on Jupiter as the one on Saturn)

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_210

It’s commonly translated as “similar”, by the computer translation programs Benjamin uses so remarkably well, but also as merely “related to” and so on and so forth.

http://dict.tu-chemnitz.de/dings.cgi?lang=en&service=deen&opterrors=0&optpro=0&query=%E4hnlich&iservice=&comment=&email=

Joe
Joe
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October 26, 2013 3:33 pm

Dyson Devine,

Is there a contact report where Ptaah (or someone else) and Billy talk about future Earth humans?

Dyson Devine
Dyson Devine
Blog Member
October 26, 2013 10:04 pm

Dear Joe,

There are several different references to the future of humankind.. One of the best, in my opinion, is nearing the end of the prophecies of Jeremiah, the earlier bits of which constituted one of the most upsetting texts I’ve ever read, given the scale of the unstoppable illegal environmental destruction we were experiencing around us at the time I first read it.

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Predictions_of_the_Prophet_Jeremia#Predictions_of_the_Prophet_Jeremia

Our hard-working friend, James Moore, has collected several sources for us. His “Future of Mankind” website is a terrific resource and has a useful search function. In this case, I just entered “Prophecies”.

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Prophecies_and_Predictions

I hope this is what you were looking for.

I’d like to remind people that the “prophecies”, are warnings that the old Chinese proverb applies: if we don’t change course, we’ll end up where we’re headed. And I think the admonishments of the ancients, where “every tree will be felled, every stream will be dammed”, etc., as described many millennia ago, may have already been avoided to some extent, so getting preoccupied with the nightmare dystopia (which seems to represent an extrapolation from the advent of the Industrial Revolution), is ill-advised.

Still, I’ve never worked out why the horrifying Jeremiah & Eliah texts are called “Voraussagen” (predictions) – which we’re told must ineluctably come to pass. It seems like it all HAS to get much worse before it all gets much better. Billy says that the new times must be fertilised with the ashes of the old, and I don’t know how metaphorical he’s being.

Ptaah says, for instance, 74. “Die in den USA wütende Feuerwalze in bezug der brennenden Wälder, die du ansprichst, entspricht tatsächlich den Aussagen der Prophetien, doch stellen sie nur einen Teil davon dar, denn in fernerer Zeit wird noch ein sehr viel schlimmeres Feuer wüten, das sich dahin quer durch die Vereinigten Staaten bewegt und auf kriegerischen Ursprung zurückführt.”

(The raging rolling fire in the USA in regard to the burning forests you have mentioned, corresponds, as a matter of fact, to the statements of the prophecies, yet they establish only a part of that there, because, in the more distant time, a still much worse fire will rage, that will move there across the United States and leads back to an origin of an act of war.)

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/meierv8p447-8.htm

Bit of a worry, but – time will tell, and I’m not giving up yet.

Cheers!

Joe
Joe
Blog Member
October 27, 2013 6:13 pm

Dyson Devine,

The reason why I was asking is because a while back someone on the FIGU forum had mentioned something about Ptaah mentioning something about future Earth humans and so I was under the impression that maybe this might have been in contact report five hundred and something. But obviously I could be wrong. Anyway thanks for the reply.

Dyson Devine
Dyson Devine
Blog Member
Reply to  Joe
October 27, 2013 8:50 pm

No worries, Joe, that’s CR 251 you’re after:

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_251

as listed on the webpage link I provided:

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Prophecies_and_Predictions

Cheers!

Dyson Devine
Dyson Devine
Blog Member
October 28, 2013 2:26 am

Hi again everybody,

This comment to Michael’s blog constitutes my modest effort to address the broader issues to do with Stuart’s – now “Neried’s” – web content over at Stuart’s blog.

http://pseudoastro.wordpress.com/2013/10/21/podcast-episode-90-investigation-into-billy-meiers-alleged-foreknowledge-about-jupiter-and-saturn/

In my previous (protracted) comments here I tried, among other things, to deal with the logic-free-zone of debating the subtle variations in the interpretations of the English word, “similar”, when Billy never even used that word, while ignoring the debate about the subtle variations in the interpretation of the German word he used – ähnlichen”. It mirrors a much bigger pervasive confounding confusion of hierarchies which infects the whole debate like the pox.

But before I get stuck into my main theme here – being this problem with Stuart & Co.’s overall approach – I just wanted to make a remark about another language-barrier issue which the more recent verbiage about Io’s volcanic ejecta has now slung out into the public arena.

(Please note: Benjamin is NOT an astrophysicist, nor is Michael, nor am I. “Nereid”, according to my Encyclopaedia Britannica, is one of the 50-100 daughters of the [extraterrestrial] (my note) Ancient Greek sea-god, Nereus and his significant other, Doris, and has magnanimously descended from Mt. Olympus to grace us mere mortals with Her smug irksome self-righteous holy sacred worshipful divine omniscience.)

Here’s the pertinent paragraph from contact 115, followed by Benjamin Stevens’ otherwise reasonably good translation.

“Es nimmt mich nun nur noch wunder, ob ich mich hinsichtlich des Vulkanismus auf dem Mond Io noch richtig entsinne. Wenn es mir richtig ist, dann erklärtest du, dass dort die Vulkanausbrüche mit elementarer Gewalt vor sich gingen und ungeheuren Explosionen glichen, die ihr Ausschleudermaterial atombombenpilzmässig hinausschleudern, wobei teilweise Höhen erreicht würden bis zu 180 Kilometern. Im Hauptsächlichen soll es sich dabei um Staubpartikel, Gase, Asche und wenig Magma handeln, die aber Schleudergeschwindigkeiten bis zu 2300 Stundenkilometer und mehr erreichten, weil durch die Atmosphärelosigkeit des Mondes nur eine geringe Gegenkraft vorhanden sei.”

(I now just wonder whether I still remember correctly about the volcanism on the moon Io. If I am right, you explained that the volcanic eruptions there occurred by elemental power and resembled enormous explosions that hurl out their ejection material like atomic bomb mushrooms, whereby some would reach heights of up to 180 kilometers. Primarily, these should concern dust particles, gases, ash and a little magma, which reach centrifuge speeds of up to 2,300 kilometers per hour or higher, because through the missing atmosphere of the moon, only a slight opposing force is present.)

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_115

Something is very very obviously very very wrong with the word “centrifuge”, which we all know indicates a rotational force. And the fact that this error evidently wasn’t even noticed (except by me once I went back to check on the progressive decay of the near-sighted arguments from “Nereid”) exemplifies one of the many weaknesses in his/her/its hyper-reductionistic pseudoscientific “thinking”, now adding more mud to the (intentionally?) stagnantly noisome and turbid waters being simmered over there.

The word “Schleudergeschwindigkeiten”, machine-translated as “centrifuge speeds”, refers merely to “sling”, as in “slingshot” (U.S.), or “catapult” (U.K.). So I’d probably translate “die aber Schleudergeschwindigkeiten bis zu 2300 Stundenkilometer und mehr erreichten” more like “which are slung out at speeds of up to 2,300 kilometres per hour or higher”.

Don’t get me wrong. I’m not arguing that any serious misunderstandings were caused by this particular error in translation which was prompted by the fact that the normally more precise German language term for the common lab instrument, the “centrifuge”, is a “Schleuder”, used here by Billy in his characteristic slightly facetious manner. But the mindless, dogmatic acceptance of “centrifuge” supports my following broader points about the pervasive religious influence in terrestrial science – the aggressive rejection of which is precisely the putative reason behind Stuart’s website in the first place!

Because the perpetrators are (evidently) German-illiterate, and too damn lazy to make the required additional effort to even look in a DICTIONARY to genuinely investigate the context and underpinnings of the ACTUAL facts under discussion, they mindlessly accept the (false and crap science) notion that they have to just accept every real or imagined factor in their stupid differential equation which they self-righteously purport to actually want to solve. And when their wrongly constructed equation doesn’t work for them, they (dogmatically) believe that the problems they’ve generated proves their concreted-in hypothesis, ie. “Meier’s a crook”.

For instance, if you posit that Meier is a mendacious and conspiratorial fraudster, (a bit of “projection” maybe going on there, people?) then you don’t have to try to make the mental effort to think about the much more confronting (true) premise, being: Meier is the real deal. BUT the rabbit hole – dug by Billy and his inconceivably intellectually advanced and loving ET human contacts – which we find our selves falling ever deeper down into when “thinking” like a stupid Earthling, CAN lead us – like a Zen koan – into a new and productive head-space where we are FORCED to re-think a lot of our pig-ignorant hubris which goes: being alone in the universe, we obviously are the best human psychologists that exist. (The Copernican revolution’s final battle is now well underway, and the underdogs are still winning.)

More about Billy and the Plejaren alien methodology can be found here:

“The overall body of Plejaren/Meier advice is so intelligent and refreshingly reasonable, whether regarding spiritual knowledge, Earth Human behaviour, politics, prophecies, environmental concerns, geological phenomena, scientific data and so forth that, in these chaotic and troubled times, the inclination is to turn to this source for the answer to everything – without thinking it through. But, try as you might, it simply doesn’t let you.” – Vivienne Legg

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/Meier.puzzlesolution.htm

So the fact – that Billy (or even FIGU!) never exercised extensive bragging rights about the prescient knowledge of the remote (invisible from Earth) volcanoes on a moon of Jupiter (and so on and so forth ad infinitum) – remains unexamined by the ignorant pseudo-scientists, exactly as intended by Billy & Co. But if the required context of this dim-witted debate had been approached SCIENTIFICALLY, instead of RELIGIOUSLY, the ignorant eye-rollers would have noticed that Billy’s behaviour is 100% consistent with the fact, being: he’s not selling hamburgers to all and sundry, because he’s the real deal, and that fact is gently hidden from those who don’t have what it takes to work that out for themselves. Their arrogance blinds them. It’s like the loving parents who gently hide, from their innocent little children, the fact that Santa Clause isn’t a flesh and blood guy who comes down the chimney.

More about our collective genetically-engineered hereditary birth defect:

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/God-delusion_and_God-delusion_Insanity

Of course it’s very early days yet and the VAST majority of Billy’s published scientific facts, as yet undiscovered by our primitive pseudo-scientists here on Planet Upsidedown, remain firmly on the other side of their self-imposed language barrier. Marco K’s recognition that it’s “pearls before swine” is addressed by Billy here:

“ … würde ihnen alles Wissen einfach wie Futter hingeschmissen und von ihnen gedankenlos und ohne Verarbeitung gefuttert, dann würde es keinen eigentlichen Erfolg bringen, sondern nur ein gewisses Schulwissen, während der Rest unverdaut als Exkremente wieder ausgeschieden würde.”

(… if all knowledge was simply tossed out to them like feed and they fed on it thoughtlessly and without processing, then it would bring no proper success, but rather only a certain school-knowledge, while the undigested remainder would be secreted again as excrement.)

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/meierv5p468.htm

But when we encounter a lack of thoughtful processing in favour of pseudoscientific religious dogma unwittingly (?) presented as (good) “science” (more Latin! “knowledge”) then it’s time to leave them to walk their path of misery and time for us to spend OUR valuable time helping those who CAN be helped, which is all I’m obliged to do here. And after my previous post here about Stuart’s obfuscation through foreign-language scientific insider jargon, I had to laugh when I read his final word on the attempted refutation of his damned Meier calumny: “What he [mahigitam] points out are minutia and AGAIN INCORRECT UNDERSTANDINGS OF TERMINOLOGY and what’s going on as opposed to THE CONTEXT and science OF THE ISSUE.” [my caps for emphasis]

The very fact that Stuart and his anonymous cowards sit over there still banging their little drum evinces that he’s utterly clueless about the actual context of the Meier issue. And to separate the Meier issue from the issue of his Io evidence is – I need another polite euphemism here – imprudent.

Naturally, Albert Einstein, a Plejaren (“unconscious-thought-impulse”) contactee, (that explains his 1905 annus miribellus, eh?), put it a lot more succinctly than I ever could:

“Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance.”

The reason I previously wrote “PLEASE” read Sheldrake’s iconoclastic book, “The Science Delusion”, here on Michael’s blog is because we Earth humanoids have all been genetically engineered by our ancient Sirius-based creator-gods to be RELIGIOUS in our approach to trying to get a grip on reality – not that many people even bother. So instead of logic, we habitually use a schizophrenic (nothing to do with split-personalities – the Greek “schizo” refers to a separation from reality) Orwellian “doublethink” approach which is dogmatically foisted off as “science”. And since this foolish behaviour is so across-the-board that it’s pretty unlikely that the arguers would have bothered reading George Orwell’s timely, 1948, anti-fascist novel, “1984”, I’ll insert the following and ask that at least this much be read:

(pp. 44 & 45) “Winston sank his arms to his sides and slowly refilled his lungs with air. His mind slid away into the labyrinthine world of doublethink. To know and not to know, to be conscious of complete truthfulness while telling carefully constructed lies, to hold simultaneously two opinions which cancelled out, knowing them to be contradictory and believing in both of them, to use logic against logic, to repudiate morality while laying claim to it, to believe that democracy was impossible and that the Party was the guardian of democracy, to forget whatever it was necessary to forget, then to draw it back into memory again at the moment when it was needed, and then promptly to forget it again: and above all, to apply the same process to the process itself. That was the ultimate subtlety: consciously to induce unconsciousness, and then, once again, to become unconscious of the act of hypnosis you had just performed. Even to understand the word ‘doublethink’ involved the use of doublethink.”

One more time, with feeling …

How to find the truth:

OM,Kanon 20:38 „Denn es ist dem Menschen entschwunden die Gesinnung der Bemühung, dass die Wahrheit soll erarbeitet werden durch eigene Kraft des Denkens und Forschens und Erkennens“

(The Earth human’s sense of effort towards seeking the truth has disappeared.)

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/OMintro.htm

The problem with trying to force proof on others:

“Bei Menschen Beweise führen zu wollen, ist seit alters her der falsche Weg, darum soll niemals erklärt werden, dass jetzt einmal dieses und jenes bewiesen werden soll.”

(Since time immemorial, wanting to prove something to someone has been the wrong way, therefore it should never be declared that now something or other will be proven.)

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/meier.sdw142.DerfalscheWeg.htm

Our collective inescapable human requirement for (non-acrimonious) disputation:

“Tatsächlich ist das Gros der Menschen in ein Stadium verfallen, in dem sich das kommunizierende Sichauseinandersetzen mit dem Nächsten sowie das Diskutieren ebenso kaum oder nicht mehr finden lässt wie auch nicht das Sichauseinandersetzen mit den globalen Geschehen, denn diese Notwendigkeiten sind bereits vielen verlorengegangen.”

(Actually, the majority of humans has fallen into a state in which disputes participated in with neighbours, as well as discussions, are just as rarely or no longer to be found, as neither are quarrels with global events, because these necessities have already been mostly lost.)

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/meier.56.ratgeber.htm

Finally (whew!) a word about “authority” and why its become such a derogatory word:

Arahat Athersata, p.29

93. „Statt der Zusammenarbeit und der naturgeforderten Führung im schöpferischen Gesetz ist leider eine andere Tatsache zu verzeichnen, nämlich dass sich im Verlaufe der letzten Jahrhunderte die Kluft zwischen den Führern eurer Menschheit und zwischen Mensch und Mensch in zunehmendem Masse dauernd vergrösserte und immer unüberbrückbarer wurde.“

(Instead of the co-operation and leadership demanded by nature working according to creational laws, another fact to note is, namely, that in the course of the last hundred years the cleft between the leaders of your humanity and between human and human continually grows in increasing measure and becomes ever more insurmountable.)

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/stronggovernweak.htm

Cheers!

Dyson Devine
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Reply to  MH
October 28, 2013 4:54 am

Not at all. Thanks for the flowers. An thanks, also, Michael for your patient efforts over there working among the blind sophists. And special thanks for providing a much less intellectually diffident venue here for the truth, which incorporates an elemental might, but is, ironically and all too obviously, powerless against stupidity.

Cheers!

Dyson Devine
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October 28, 2013 4:45 am

P.S. In case my above un-diplomatic words have offended anyone:

505 & 506. “Ganz besonders beim Erdenmenschen herrscht die irrige und gefährliche Ansicht vor, dass ein guter Wahrheitskünder, ein guter Prediger oder ein guter Lehrer der Wahrheitslehre usw. und also auch ein guter Prophet voller demütiger Haltung sein müsse, nur liebe und feine, gewählte und diplomatische Worte sprechen und allzeit nur freundlich sein müsse. Gerade so müsse es sein, denken die Erdenmenschen, wie z.B. der Papst sich benehme und also viele Pfarrherren und Sektenführer, die wahrheitlich jedoch nichts anderes tun, als ihr wahres Gesicht zu verstecken und freundlich-nächstenliebend zu erscheinen, um dadurch ihre Gläubigen über ihr tatsächliches Wesen irrezuführen und sie ausbeuten zu können.”

(With Earth humans, predominates quite especially, the erroneous and dangerous view that a good announcer of truth, a good preacher or a good teacher of the true teachings, and so forth, and therefore also a good prophet, must be full of humble bearing, only speak pleasing and elegant, chosen and diplomatic words, and must always only be friendly. The Earth humans think it must be just the same as, for example, the Pope comports himself, and therefore many gentleman ministers and sect leaders, who truthfully, however, do nothing other than hide their true faces and appear friendly and neighbour-loving, to thereby mislead their believers about their actual nature, and to be able to exploit them.)

Salome.

Dyson Devine
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October 28, 2013 4:57 am
Bruce
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Reply to  Dyson Devine
October 28, 2013 9:07 am

Dyson, many thanks for contributing your hard-won knowledge, wisdom & skills to this discussion.

Dyson Devine
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Reply to  Bruce
October 28, 2013 10:10 pm

Don’t embarrass me, Bruce, but thanks for the encouragement.

Please see:

https://theyflyblog.com/sometimes-stupid-people-just-cant-be-helped/10/28/2013/comment-page-1#comment-15535

Cheers!

Duke
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Reply to  Dyson Devine
October 29, 2013 9:05 pm

“But the mindless, dogmatic acceptance of “centrifuge” supports my following broader points about the pervasive religious influence in terrestrial science – the aggressive rejection of which is precisely the putative reason behind Stuart’s website in the first place!”

Not only that, Stu is also heavily supportive of a scientific consensus that would largely rely on a body of ‘experts’ finding common aggreements to determine what is non-scientific to the public. Essentially, a hat swapping fiesta if anyone has a remote understanding of history where this is exactly leading to especially with the legal-ese demonstrated in the wording of the blog. I’m not seeing a massive difference in the conduct compared to Galileo.

Bruce
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October 30, 2013 10:23 am

Maybe the title for this post should be something more like “Credibility shoots itself in the foot, again..”

In the endlessly fascinating and informative “Macht der Gedandken” (Might of the Thoughts…), Billy explains that there would be no progress for the human without making errors and subsequently correcting them. And it is possible for one error to contain, for example, 1000 sub-errors or variations, which differ by one iota from its previous variation, all 1000 of which must be gone through, one by one, recognized and corrected before that one error can be done with, once and for all.

Giving Stuart and his attack dog Nereid the benefit of the doubt, they may be on sub-error no. 9 or 10 of the 1000 they must create and resolve before any progress can be seen. Therefore, perhaps we should be more understanding regarding their incompetence.

Bruce
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Reply to  MH
October 30, 2013 4:34 pm

btw, the kinder, gentler MH suits you well ! 😛