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The Little Fish that Could

Or why aliens just may not be making pretty designs in our fields

Several years ago, I asked Billy Meier about the crop circle phenomena. In the late 1990s, I had expressed my opinion in a UFO magazine article that they seemed like they were made by “somebody”, meaning extraterrestrials, who were giving us some lessons in the creative use of power without doing harm.

Since the appearance of crop circles, there’s been much conjecture, outright hoaxing, mysterious lights, certainty among some that there are very intelligent, extraterrestrial beings sending us encoded and/or cryptic messages, etc. Billy Meier and the Plejaren are on record as saying that most are manmade, which has certainly aroused some ire. Also, Ptaah had once remarked that if any are being made by extraterrestrials, they are a very indirect, ineffective way to communicate anything important, as opposed to directly contacting the people of Earth and telling us just exactly what they have to say.

But getting back to my conversation with Meier, he told me something rather interesting. He said that the Creation itself sends out certain kinds of impulses that are picked up by highly sensitive, artistic people, who are thusly inspired to create these designs themselves, which accounts for the majority of the crop circles.

I had a hard time with that explanation…until I discovered the fancy fin work of the little Puffer fish. As I watched in awe as that marvel of Creation single finnedly made its little undersea masterpiece, I thought that it just may be possible that human beings with far more resources available to them (hands with fingers, boards and ropes at the very least, comrades and computers, etc.) could use their abilities to bring the impulse inspirations to complete artistic expression. And while working in grain fields may have its own challenges, I wonder if a human being could actually make such a delicate masterpiece undersea, as the Puffer fish does so naturally and almost effortlessly.

Of course, we do know a man with only one hand who’s not only remarkably prolific but who also has created a very revolutionary, clear design and firm foundation for the most profound evolution in human consciousness. So perhaps we can take a little inspiration from both the little Puffer fish and the prophet and be creative, productive and…do no harm.

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Philip Brandel

That was awesome watching that little puffer fish make his masterpiece. Very peaceful… Made my day:)

I always thought it was a somewhat crude way to portray a message to “us”, but when dealing with what they are…. it seems as if it could be a simple way to reach people that don’t want to be reach any other way… even if they are being “inspired” to make them themselves. As we all know and as everyone has a right to “not listen”… even if they truly are.
Whatever the meaning, it surely sparked an interest in the possibility’s from beyond our atmosphere… got a lot of differing people thinking a little at least.. as it seems to me.

Dyson Devine

Nicely penned, Michael!

And as ever, thanks for your opportunity for me to contribute here.

We all admire seashells’ remarkably complex patterns, and I think the little fish does great sea floor art too! The sea is so full of exquisitely beautiful patterns and colours created by its modest inhabitants.

I have peer reviewed scientific papers for you.

As you know, the paper you feature here by Rhal Hum Zahi

https://theyflyblog.com/mindboggling/01/07/2014

shows how appearances, at first glance, can be very deceiving indeed, and sometimes, only after a logical and exquisitely detailed scientific investigation has been correctly carried out, can the truth then finally be allowed to pour forth for all to see who have eyes to see. Extraterrestrial human beings cunningly/lovingly exploit this fact.

http://tjresearch.info/denial.htm

And, synchronistically, just ten days before Jim wrote his article, the “Australasian UFOlogist, Vol.6, No.1, 2002” published mine.

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/ET-ETHICS.htm

Rhal’s most recent, groundbreaking, detailed, 1970’s Meier beamship-footage analysis (STILL UNCHALLENGED!) also provides compelling evidence that the Plejaren extraterrestrials, now making plausibly-deniable contact with Earth, do so in such a way that deliberately and affectionately protects the fragile psyches of earthlings who would be devastated by the truth. It’s an inconvenient truth, long ridiculed and ruthlessly suppressed by the group Billy calls, “the Order of Darkness”.

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/meierv7p438-444.htm

But the frightened and ignorant people who “can’t handle the truth” are usually the same ones who most often immediately fall for the ET’s ruse, of course, as soon as they superficially “judge the book by its cover”. So I think it’s only common sense to assume that the Plejaren extraterrestrials’ “semi-plausible deniability” would naturally also be employed as the only intelligent methodology for our contact with any other advanced ET race who may choose to make contact, or indeed continue and accelerate their unbroken historical assistance in a less subtle way more in keeping with today’s less primitive, space-faring, 21st Century world.

Obviously, if space aliens started landing their flying saucers in the proverbial Whitehouse Rose Garden, all hell would break loose. They’d have to be stupid if they didn’t know that already. And of course they do. They know us far better than we know ourselves, which isn’t saying much. And they know what’s good for them too.

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/PopMechFeb04.pdf

Billy teaches that friendly ETs have been keeping a watchful eye on Earth for millions of years. And I argue that the Agricultural/Agrarian Revolution of the Neolithic Period, around 12,000 years ago at the start of the current inter-glacial period, was brought about by beneficent influences from the same nice little peaceful humans Billy refers to, who we call the “real” Greys, who sent us their selfy in 2002 in Crabwood U.K., which gets a mention later. Without too much (I HOPE!) digressing, I say the “real” Greys because they been counterfeited too, according to Billy and the Plejaren.

“Das ganze abgekartete Spiel der Gruppierung und ihrer Kleingruppen beinhaltet, wie anderweitig schon gesagt, auch fingierte Begegnungen mit angeblich Ausserirdischen, wobei diese wahrheitlich nichts anderes als normale oder zu ‹Aliens› umfunktionierte Erdenmenschen sind.”

(The entire pre-arranged game of the group and their small groups, as already said elsewhere, also includes faked encounters with alleged extraterrestrials, whereby these are truly nothing other than normal Earth humans or those who have been transformed into “aliens”)

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/meiersb34.htm

by the above-mentioned Order of Darkness, in order to advance their sinister genocidal plans to hoax an “alien invasion” – the “Last Card” as revealed by Werner von Braun,

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/DPBDRosin.htm

described by Dr. Steven Greer

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/greer_warning_of_hoax.htm

in terrifying detail,

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/behindthescenes.htm

as well as by others

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/Lammer.htm

What does the long-planned hoaxed alien invasion have to do with fish art?

The thread here also discusses crop circles, and “they’re not [all] from around here”, as Marcel Vogel told Nippon Television about the Plejaren metal sample he analysed. And word has just reached me that “the last card” may be about to be played by the folks holding the losing hand, so be warned. Have you ever seen a cornered rat? The Central Sun awakes!

Later, I offer for consideration by intelligent lay people, two published, peer-reviewed scientific papers regarding the “real crop circles” as opposed to the “boards and ropes” kind so popular in the corporate media. One of these papers was written by a Dutch professor of theoretic nuclear physics who may have gotten in big trouble for getting too close to the truth on his website. It’s easier that you may imagine.

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/DCoCC_Excerpts.htm

The Plejaren now tell us that not all crop circles are made with boards and ropes and other primitive means. So the old adage applies, “one white crow proves that not all crows are black”. As Michael suggests, the Plejaren stance has changed in keeping with the information they’ve received and, IMO, that’s apparently altered the information they’ve provided to us over the decades.

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/Meier.puzzlesolution.htm

And I don’t want to impose any more than I already have on our bog host’s generous allocation of bandwidth, so I’ll simply paste in an URL from a previous blog page of Michael’s where I correct a friend of mine, who was of the recent mistaken impression that the real crop circles were made by the Plejaren.

Please scroll down to Michael’s entry of November 16, 2013 at 3:46 am

https://theyflyblog.com/the-hillary-raimo-show-decoding-the-billy-meier-material/11/08/2013

Or just ctrl+F “crabwood”,

This would be an easy mistake given the crop-circle-like gravitational phenomena Billy recorded at the SSSC, when beamships landed in the tall grass there.

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/File:More_marks.jpg

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/File:Marks_on_the_grass,_where_the_ship_landed.jpg

And there are more, similar, photos of beamship landing tracks in the gallery of that website.

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Gallery

“Crabwood” (& Chlbolton) is also a VERY rewarding Google Image search term. It’s also good for the search engines here

http://forum.figu.org/cgi-bin/us/discus.cgi

where it digs out the long explanations Michael publicly demanded of me on the FIGU English forum to justify the fact that I didn’t believe that “all crop circles are made with boards and ropes and other primitive means”, which was the way Billy’s corrective statement had been initially interpreted by his believers. Had Michael and Christian not gone to Billy for clarification of my opposing scientific evidence, we may never have been told that he never said that “all” crop circles are made that way. I like the way the truth works. Likewise, within the document referred to above, about the history of the criminal conspiracy to suppress the truth of all things ET, Billy reveals who’s behind the previously mentioned “Kornkreisfälschungen” (grain circles forgery / counterfeiting / faking / falsifying).

„Auch in Sachen Kornkreisfälschungen sind sie nicht untätig, und zwar in den verschiedensten Ländern.“

(They [the D.O.] are also not inactive in matters relating to the counterfeiting of crop circles, and indeed in the most differing countries.)

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/meierv7p438-444.htm

“Circles”, of course, has become a risible misnomer since it was first used widely by the press in the 1970’s, and the size and complexity of the “field forms”, as I like to call them, has increased by many many orders of magnitude. “Field forms”, because I think, at their most fundamental level (forms in fields), they graphically illustrate Sheldrake’s theory* of forms at all levels of complexity being created and maintained by hierarchical “morphic fields” of causal influence, which Billy, when questioned, supports as correct.

In closing, the two peer-reviewed papers, as promised, provided again to the dogmatic scientific community in the spirit of the one white crow (two, in this case) which proves that not all crows are black.

http://archiv.fgk.org/01/Eltjo/Haselhoff.pdf

This is a scientific, peer-reviewed, paper written in 2001 by Dutch theoretical nuclear physicist, Dr. Eltjo H. Haselhoff, Ph.D., former employee of Los Alamos National Laboratories, who is reviewing another scientific, peer-reviewed, paper written in 1999 by William C. Levengood, (M.S. in Biophysics, Univeristy of Michigan, 1970, M.A. in Bioscience, Ball State University, 1961, Research physicist at the Institute of Science and Technology and the Dept. of Natural Resources, U. Michigan, 1961-1970; Director of Biophysical Research for private-sector companies, 1970-83. Published 50 scientific papers, including eight in the prestigious journal Nature; three papers (1994; 1995; 1999) present results from studies of crop circle plants and soils. Currently pursuing various research interests at his laboratory (Pinelandia Biophysical Laboratory) in Grass Lakes, MI.)

http://www.bltresearch.com/published/dispersion.php

All this glut of information prompted by the “elaborate mating ritual” of an amorous male fish!

Cheers!

* http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/sheldrake.htm

Dyson Devine

With respect, Michael, your observations regarding the extraterrestrial provenance of Tetraodontidae (Puffer Fish) is not as iconoclastic as one may perhaps initially surmise.

In fact, for several years now, one Dr. Michael $alla – I’m sure you remember him http://exopolitics.org/ – has been providing exciting opportunities for well-heels dilettantes – for the remarkably reasonable fee of a mere $US2,599 – to “establish multi-dimensional communications” with genuine extraterrestrials, at his luxurious Hawaiian “Galactic Peace Ambassador Seminars”. He did, at one stage “guarantee” that each enrolee would make contact with real extraterrestrials. When questioned more closely it became – well – genuine interdimensionals – good as.

Tursiops, of the family, Delphinidae.

Also known as the common Bottlenose Dolphin, but they’re every bit as important extraterrestrial – er – interdimensionals – galactic peace ambassadors and experiencers as your lowly little Puffer Fish, which aren’t even MAMMALS!

That makes $alla’s – ETs – I mean IDs, WAY more advanced than yours.

Here’s his blurb from a few years ago. But whether the dolphins have become extinct, (radioactive) or not yet, I don’t know, but I’m sure $alla would have something ready for his cashed-up customers who have a burning desire to “establish multi-dimensional communications” with some ET/ID (whatever) who/which is far more intellectually evolved than themselves, so a Puffer fish would be perfect.

(snip)

Enroll in a Galactic Peace Ambassador Seminar

Cost: $2599

To be included in this 12 Day Seminar Package:
• 12 nights accomodations at Sky Ranch (2-3 guests per room);
• 5 boat swims to meet with the dolphins and establish
multi-dimensional communications;
• 5 lunches aboard boat;
• 12 buffet breakfasts and 12 gourmet dinners;
• Transportation to/from all Seminar events
• Snorkling lesson from shore
• And the most recent information regarding current extraterrestrial
activities on planet Earth

(snip)

We’re doomed.

Darcy Wade Carlile

Human Beings have a conscious consciousness and we can plan/make plans, and so we instantly recognize the outlines of crop circles. The mysteries of the universe are a good example of recognizing creation and so we can plan to solve all mysteries in the universe accordingly to where we are on the totem pole of evolution. These are purely my thoughts and are patent pending in my imagination.

Chris L

I agree with Meier completely regarding crop circles.
Check out these two if you haven’t seen them before:

http://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/419123/Crop-flops-Why-are-crop-circles-dying-out.
29 Jan 2014.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/10217151/Crop-circles-demystified-how-the-patterns-are-created.html.

Matthew came over to Japan and created one overnight here in total darkness for Nippon TV. It was broadcast nationwide. Beautiful job, and he mentioned that they felt inspired to make these and that the designs might possibly attract ET visitations.

As Matthew mentions, there were anomalous phenomena associated with a number of them. The ones that really need investigation are, of course, the ones showing distinct anomalies of the scientific kind. These are the few that catch my interest. Any geometric design is relatively easy to create given sticks, boards and rope that sufficed even the ancient Greeks to create their geometric designs.

Dyson Devine

Hi Chris,

That article states, “Most scientists now agree that crop circles are man-made.”

And most scientists also agree that there is no evidence of extraterrestrial life – in spite of the overwhelming, demonstrable, physical evidence to the contrary.

Max Planck (“one of the most important German physicists of the late 19th and early 20th century, winning the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1918; he is considered to be the founder of quantum theory”) put it best:

“Science advances one funeral at a time.”

Let’s just hope they’re sequential and not simultaneous.

Brief excerpt “THE DEEPENING COMPLEXITY OF CROP CIRCLES – Scientific Research & Urban Legend” by Eltjo H Haselhoff, Ph.D. Copyright 2001 Published by Frog Ltd.

“Believers, Thinkers, and Deniers

It is my experience that people confronted with the crop circle phenomenon for the first time, can be divided into three different classes: those of the Believer, the Thinker, and the Denier. The Believer will immediately accept everything you say. He or she listens fascinated to your stories, is excited but also happy about the news, and will enthusiastically start telling friends about it right away. Thinkers are more difficult to convince. These are mature, rational, and intellectual people. They come up with critical questions, suggest alternative and trivial explanations, and demand references. Nevertheless, the Thinker is certainly interested, although he or she will refrain from giving an immediate opinion. The Denier, however, is very different, and comes in two flavors: the Evil Denier and the Laughing Denier. The Evil Denier may evolve into an aggressive creature, who sets a personal goal to attack all this “crop circle garbage” as often and as much as possible. Some Evil Deniers are a little milder and limit themselves to just some remarks, such as: “Do me a favor will you, and stop that nonsense, please don’t be ridiculous.” The Laughing Denier, however, is never aggressive. The Laughing Denier laughs. “Ho-ho-ho, do you really believe that?” would be his or her first reaction. The Laughing Denier has a patronizing attitude and implicitly pretends to understand things much better than you do. He or she thinks that by the time you grow up, you will understand it too. A typical remark of a Laughing Denier would be: “Sure, crop circles, I guess they are made by Martians. Hey, can’t you telepathically call them and ask if they will make a circle or two in my front yard, then I don’t have to mow the lawn so often, ho-ho-ho.” A similarity between the Evil and the Laughing Denier is that neither is willing to listen to you, and no reasoning seems to be possible with them. Without doubt this is related to an explicit lack of interest.

Obviously, the scenario sketched here is somewhat black and white, and in daily practice many combinations and variants exist. I know people who reveal many characteristics of the Believer, the Thinker, as well as the Denier, all at the same time. Without exception they will always make a silly remark as a reaction to the things I tell them, but nevertheless they show up on a regular basis to hear the latest news, look at the latest aerial photographs, or even report a new formation. Believers and Deniers often have very clear opinions, despite lack of (detailed) knowledge. The arguments they use are often erroneous, speculative, or based on inaccuracies. Nevertheless, this does not stop most of them from being absolutely convinced of how they believe things are. It is obvious that emotions and “gut feeling” play an important role. Fortunately, the amount of reference literature about crop circles is increasing, as you can see from the listing at the end of the book. Nevertheless, it takes a critical mind to distinguish the facts from the fiction.”

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/DCoCC_Excerpts.htm

Crop circles readily reveal themselves for what they actuality are with far less scientific scrutiny that the “Pendulum UFO” was subjected to.

Seek you you will find.

Best.

doirecity

I just got done watching And did they listen downloaded from scubbly.com. I’m going to have to purchase the hard copy. I thoroughly enjoyed it.
I really liked the introduction from our distant future relatives looking back on our earth of today. The whole thing was very well put together. Well done.
My only gripe is I didn’t get to find out what our distant relatives discovered in our future. Oh yeah, we are currently working on that. To be continued….

Darcy Wade Carlile

I will buy that show too because I like the instant pay/pal and scubbly downloads that Michael Horn makes available contrary to those plastic record player DVDs.

Dyson Devine

Sad truth from a leading UK scientist as the the reason that there remains almost no practical conception of Billy’s teachings:

“There Could be Life and Intelligence Out There in Forms We Can’t Conceive”

– Lord Martin Rees, a leading cosmologist and astrophysicist who is the president of Britain’s Royal Society and astronomer to the Queen of England. Rees believes the existence of extra terrestrial life may be beyond human understanding.

“I suspect there could be life and intelligence out there in forms we can’t conceive. Just as a chimpanzee can’t understand quantum theory, it could be there as aspects of reality that are beyond the capacity of our brains,” Rees observed.

(lots about dolphins in the article, believe it or not)

(more) http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2014/01/recognizing-extraterrestrial-intelligence-there-could-be-life-and-intelligence-out-there-in-forms-we.html

Andy

Dyson,

Few years back I thought you had convinced me that some of the crop circles were in fact made by ET’s, despite Plajaren/Billy statement’s to the contrary. And indeed, as the research you cited shows, clearly not all are made by primitive means…but now I’m wondering why can’t it be that those really interesting ones were not made simply by sophisticated terrestrials? (You of course, as much as anyone, are aware of the futuristic technologies available to some on this planet). Is it then because of the evasive/changing statements of the Plejaren on the subject that makes you think they are concealing the ET origin of (some of) the circles?

Just wanted some clarity..you posted a lot of links…but is that the thrust of the theory–that some crop circles obviously show high-tech-ness, and its probably ET’s because Ptaah beats around the bush with the subject?

Question 2- you wrote “And word has just reached me that “the last card” may be about to be played by the folks holding the losing hand, so be warned.” Well that’s pretty damn interesting–speak more to that, please??? Who is this source? You really think the false-flag ET attack is coming soonish??? Wowser dowsers.

Duke

We have futuristic technology? Last time I checked the Jetsons cartoon was more advanced than we are.

Dyson Devine

Hi Andy!

Very good questions, as ever, thanks. TOO good actually. I took a deep breath, grabbed my tuba and started typing out my answers as succinctly as I POSSIBLY could and very quickly got to 2000 words before I realised that Michael would hit the roof, so I’ll keep typing and put the long answers in Google Drive again like I had to do with this one

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5UahMPJ8Tc1b0tReC1DdVRlTmM/edit?usp=sharing

unless Michael has a change of heart of course, and he’s not likely to NOW after I unwittingly spoilt his “And Did They Listen?” video launch party last week by attending and attracting troublemakers who got rowdy and drowned out the proceedings so nobody could hear themselves think. These louts follow me around. Cripes! 200 contribution in a WEEK?

So I’ll put the “short” answers here for now, but stay bookmarked. Sorry.

Q1: “I’m wondering why can’t it be that those really interesting ones were not made simply by sophisticated terrestrials?”

A1: Two reasons: 1.) politics, and 2.) art. I’ll explain in detail later.

Q2: “Just wanted some clarity..you posted a lot of links…but is that the thrust of the theory–that some crop circles obviously show high-tech-ness, and its probably ET’s because Ptaah beats around the bush with the subject?”

A2: No. But that’s a small part of it. See answers to Q1.

Q3a: “you wrote, ‘And word has just reached me that ‘“’the last card’”’ may be about to be played by the folks holding the losing hand, so be warned.’ ”Well that’s pretty damn interesting–speak more to that, please???”

A3a: Sorry, Andy. Off topic. (fish art) But I can say this much. The D.O. rattles their chains periodically, then people like us start to wake the sleepers, ruining the timing, so the chains go quiet again and the dreamless sleep resumes until next time. Here was the last time, to the best of my very poor knowledge:

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/greer_warning_of_hoax.htm

Q3b: “Who is this source?”

A3b: You’re kidding me, right?

Q3c: “You really think the false-flag ET attack is coming soonish???”

A3c: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnm0dLThp9c

Watch the skies.

And don’t forget, when the fake aliens pretend to come from some pretend planet in their very real flying saucer warships and start doing their very real field-tested “WTC” number on the major cities of the world, please place your tray in the upright position, place your head between your knees and kiss your ass goodbye.

Cheers!

Dyson Devine

Sorry for the delay, Andy.

Due to my limited resources of time, the short but lovely Tasmanian summer demands that my priorities are changed, and boating comes first.

🙂

But art is art, and the best graphic artists this planet has ever seen are recognised as such by those who of us earthlings who are acknowledged as being knowledgeable about art, and also those who know art when they see it, as well as the “I don’t know much about art, but I know what I like” people. I’ve got a good first-hand story about an Australian art gallery curator, who we showed a printout of the 2001, “Chilbolton Face”.

And politics/ideology is easy to see when it’s a central theme for decades, and the central political theme of crop circles is very anti-Freemason.

I’ll try to illustrate these 2 point, in my upcoming response to your question, but it will probably be too long for Michael’s blog-comments area here, so I might stick it up in the “cloud”.

Cheers!

Dyson Devine

Good idea, MH.

First art 🙂

And then politics 🙁

(A grand day out yesterday and a grand sunburn.)

Cheers!

Andy

Cool, great, lookin forward to it. Thanks.

Dyson Devine

Sorry, I posted this on the wrong crop circle thread.

Right. Andy.

ART.

Sorry for the many-days delay.

I could spin this one out if I had the time, but I don’t.

While we were doing our Disclosure Project lecture circuit around the far north coast of rural New South Wales (Australia), in 2001, we got a lot of supportive crop circle activity, where every time we did a talk, at about the same time of that day, the UK would report a new crop circle. When we did a separate second talk (by popular demand in Coffs Harbour) about Billy, we got two crop circles. It’s an indisputable matter of public record, because we ran newspaper ads. They are interactive phenomena. And that was the year of the Chilbolton (ET contact) code and face, being the reply to our planet’s 1974, twenty trillion watt radio transmission to the stars, and the “FACE” on Mars.

So we printed the face onto sheets of paper, added the details of our upcoming talk in Byron Bay, and drove around in our rusty 1974 VW Kombi van trying to get various commercial establishments and public notice boards, etc., to let us post it up, with little success. Too crazy.

But I thought that it would be just right for Nimbin, and it was.

I walked into the nice art gallery on the main street with one of our little black and white posters.

http://www.nimbinartistsgallery.org/

The guy there, running the place walked up, took one look at what I had in my hand and he literally jumped back and his eyes bugged out. Unable to avert his gaze, he shouted, “DID YOU DO THAT?!”

I said, “No, but …”

And he shouted, “WHO DID??!”

I said, “Well actually … this is a printout of an aerial photograph taken a couple days ago of a wheat field in England …” (Or words to that effect to the best of my recollection.)

He stared at the face.

I went on for a while, as one does, and his expression slowly changed when he first understood that I was not some undiscovered artistic genius who was about to make him a fabulously rich and famous art gallery owner, and he then saw me as just another druggie/loony with a copied portrait from a very accomplished commercial artist.

When I’d finished my brief but utterly insane sounding explanation – this was 13 years ago and he’d never heard of “crop circles” – he said emphatically,

“Well, I don’t know who did it, but I’ll buy any original works you can get me.”

Graphic artists recognise the crop circle art as THE best in the world – no contest. It takes a little digging, of course, but their reviews exist.

Art is art is art, and it’s provenance is irrelevant to its genuine quality, even though – being Earth – there’s a big PRICE difference between a bone fide Rembrandt, and a work from his school which could only be differentiated by x-rays. But if you look at the Chilbolton and Crabwood faces from a good perspective, they are both astonishing works from an artist or artists with a uniquely ingenious eye for detail and shading.

As opposed to the US. Military Industrial Complex who are a pack of philistines.

When I was stationed for a year at Keesler Air Force Base, Biloxi Mississippi, I discovered that the student “Squadron Artist” would have to do all the posters, notices and ugly faux-Olde Englishe calligraphy, so beloved of military lifers and other members of the tattooed criminal underclass. So when the word went out that an artist was sought, who would not have to work in the scorching heat and humidity of the Gulf of Mexico on work “details” all day before we all put on our heavy packs of books and marched ten miles and back to school from 1800hrs to 2400hrs, naturally, I leapt at the chance, bought a book on calligraphy and the pens and brushes I needed, and was suddenly a very celebrated squadron artist for the remainder of my stay in Biloxi. Cool. And clean. It was sickening kitsch, simple to emulate and (luckily for me) requiring no artistic talent whatsoever, so I churned it out cheerfully on demand. Military wives and girlfriends would stop into Squad HQ, where I often “worked” (very slowly and carefully), and admire and chat.

So I KNOW that Planet Suicide’s off-the-leash Military Industrial Complex doesn’t do the real crop circles, and they would NEVER tell us, “We Are Opposed To Cunning And Deceit” in 1996, or, eleven years later, “Beware the bearers of FALSE gifts & their BROKEN PROMISES. Much PAIN but still time. BELIEVE. There is GOOD out there. We oppose DECEPTION. Conduit CLOSING”.

And they do NOT have a witty self-deprecating sense of humour, or any other kind either, in my experience, unless you think killing people and destroying property in novel ways is funny.

http://www.sott.net/image/image/s4/82034/full/CherhillS10.jpg

I’ve proven it to myself beyond a reasonable doubt, even though in order to do so I had to teach myself the languages of signs and symbols and their occult uses as a secret means of communications by the ruling elite (who also speak German).

“Signs and symbols rule the world, not words nor laws.” – Confucius, who may and/or may not have been a real prophet.

Symbols wasn’t as easy as German, but if you want to read what the real crop circles are trying to tell us, it’s a prerequisite. Same as with German and Billy.

I’ve changed my mind about also trying to elucidate the politics of the message of crop circles. If you haven’t got my drift about who they see as the enemy of our planet in our midst who they’ve come to warn us about, anything further on my part will merely get me in even deeper legal (and illegal) trouble than I’ve already brought down upon myself at the moment.

I hope this explanation has been of some use to you Andy, and others like you with eyes to see and the will to strive to open them.

Cheers!

Duke

Oh,

To mention briefly, if what Dyson says is true, you will find out soon enough (and probably subtly world wide before that).

http://www.newadvent.org/bible/isa005.htm
“Woe upon you, that lightly harness yourselves to ill-doing, and draw down upon you, as with a strong rope, its guilt!
19 What is this, you say, that the Holy One of Israel threatens? Quick, no waiting; let us know the worst, and with all speed!
20 Woe upon you, the men who call evil good, and good evil; whose darkness is light, whose light darkness; who take bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
21 Woe upon you, that think yourselves wise, and boast of your own foresight!
22 Woe upon you, heroes of the tankard, brave hearts round the mixing-bowl,
23 that take bribes to acquit the guilty, and rob the innocent of his rights! “

Andy

Well, the Jetson’s were pretty for along… But yes, Billy/Plejaran note that certain Earth folks have anti-gravity technology, among other things. If you listen to Dyson or his buddy Dr. Judy Wood, then some also have available to them many other exotic “out of this world” technology…

Duke

Well that goes without saying on this blog.

Though I would add, in talking about Billy/Plejaran (alleged), if you logically put together all the information regarding the Sirian overlords, you can make a reasonably logical guess (if what the alleged folks say is true) on what comes next. Who thought getting a swelled head of oneself could be genetically related to aggression coming from the Meier material?

Jim Deardorff

Michael,

That puffin-fish construction is indeed impressive. But if you look closely, you’ll see that the central radial ridges are not very accurately radial, just as an impressive spider web shows many little irregularities when viewed closely. The “genuine” crop-circle formations are an order of magnitude more precise than that. And of course they are much more creative, and usually not just radially symmetric.

Regarding Ptaah once having remarked that “if any [crop circles] are being made by extraterrestrials, they are a very indirect, ineffective way to communicate anything important,” A lady friend of mine has said something similar: If ETs want to communicate with humans, why would they just choose one person to do it with, and then not provide ample evidence that ETs are really the source, instead of making it seem like their contactee could be a hoaxer?

So I still see most CC formations as being alien designs intended to serve several purposes: a) Let the “thinkers” wonder if aliens could have done it and not humans, b) Let us know more of their advanced capabilities, c) Present opportunities for those aware of the alien presence in such matters to try to educate others, d) Let us know they have creative, artistic and mathematical talents, and e) Let us recognize that their degree of covertness within the CC phenomenon is of the very same nature as within the UFO phenomenon, the Bigfoot/Monster phenomenon, the animal-mutilation phenomenon, etc…
Naturally I agree with Dyson that a key part of their strategy of gradually making themselves and their capabilities known to us is best termed “semi-plausible deniability.” You can think there’s nothing to it all if you wish or trust some authority who tells you that, or you can look a bit deeper into it and notice the various facts and features that indicate a non-human intelligence must be involved.

Dyson Devine

Dear Jim!

THANK YOU! I LOVE your precise, brilliant and incisive contribution! The difference between my amateur effort here – the equivalent of a rambling chat over a beer – and your work – a lasting scholarly pearl – glaringly reflects the difference between a real Professor, and just some guy who got swept up from high school by Viet Nam and never retuned to climb the Ivory Tower.

Sorry about filling your room with flowers, Jim. I really don’t mean to embarrass you. I’m merely giving credit where credit is sorely due. I gotta say it – without a shred of sycophancy – you’re one of my top heroes of all time.

The blind Meierites, of course, can only dogmatically stumble along in a shuffling single file – in the manner characteristic of the blind. And, due to the language barrier that disabled people can’t overcome, aren’t even aware that they’ve got it all wrong and are just wasting their time.

“Wer die Wahrtheit nicht mit seinem Verstande, sondern mit Glauben erfassen will, der kann die Früchte aus ihr nicht ernten. – OM 53:26.

(He who will not comprehend the truth with his reason, but with his belief, cannot harvest the fruit from it.)

And, for the bulk of those poor souls, it’s not so much “will not”, it’s “CANNOT”.

People who, for whatever reason, dismiss this other ET contact initiative, are, of course, generally doing it for the same reason(s) they dismiss Billy – they will not/cannot look. And when the corrupt corporate media shows Meier beamships, it’s usually a cropped and even sometimes deliberately blurred thumbnail which ignores the true nature of their appearance.

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So I just wanted to stick in a few representative images from the OTHER ETs, for those with eyes to see.

They are NUMEROUS(tens of THOUSANDS) and very, very, mathematically advanced and brilliant:

http://parisapartment.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/crop-circles.jpg

Unimaginably and exquisitely DETAILED:

http://youngbloodblog.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/crop-circle-close-up-silbury-hill-near-avebury-wiltshire-reported-3rd-august-2009.jpg?w=400

http://youngbloodblog.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/crop-circle-weaved-twirled-silbury-hill-near-avebury-wiltshire-reported-3rd-august-2009.jpg?w=400

And inconceivably VAST:

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_U_WJzga4JY4/THrYJNk0NMI/AAAAAAAACYc/r-7yiNNe5gs/s400/Netherlands+Butterfly+Metamorphosis+Transformation+Crop+Circle.jpg

http://www.theroswellcode.com/CropCircleBrettParrott7.jpg

And of course what our friend Chris says is perfectly true, impressive work can be done with boards and ropes and other primitive means, and even more impressive works by large teams with hi-tech tools (for the BBC, for example).

But by far the majority of the terrestrial ones look like this:

http://www.cropcircles.net/hx2.gif

Cheers!

Unimaginably numerous and complex:
http://parisapartment.files.wordpress.com/2013/07/crop-circles.jpg

Dyson Devine

Sorry about the duplicated URL at the end.

And I forget to mention that the counterfeit terrestrial (or puffer fish) efforts aren’t radioactive (among myriad other sophisticated and weird things only detectable with hi-tech gear!) like the real ones.

Duke

You know, on this theme of what’s missing in the Meier case that Dyson pointed out at the most opportune time to do so, I’m actually impressed by the alleged Plejaran. If the times are accurate on the contact notes, the alleged they managed to, not only avoid Earth Humanity’s various high-tech intelligence TEAMS, recce craft, satellites, observation equipment, radar folks like Dyson, and the occasional curious denizen, but also TEAMS of other Extraterrestrials dotting about with their own unknown intentions as well as some very hostile ones like the alleged BAFATH too (that have an alleged record of shooting down triangle UFOs).

But who knows if it’s true. Makes for an interesting read! It also makes you wonder what exactly is a alleged cloaked Plejaran Tel-emeter disc above the SSSC is doing besides transmitting Billy’s thoughts to Ptaah in the midst of Dropa Stones going around alleged Nasa footage? Any one have a clue, as I don’t.

And in the Middle Ages, the same poor folks who think our ancestors were stupid enough to believe the Earth was Flat, apparently were crazy enough to believe the sky was full of angels and demons. They must be under religious delusions too because we know from the Meier material no ETs were around that time frame did any sort of contact to Earth humanity that was literally the “Dark Ages” where superstition and religious things occupied the minds of the faithful. “Deus vult” though the conception of the Crusades didn’t exist prior to that famous phrase does not spark the minds of the curious. I think Dyson maybe onto something. But that’s ok, we can watch Ancient Aliens talk about Vimana’s from channeled guy from the 30s or Ezekiel’s wheel or some other fascinating thing von Dannikan believes is proof.

Oh, before I forget.

And the alleged they apparently NEVER made a single mistake avoiding all of these just to talk to Meier for … what is the average time of a Contact 10-20 minutes? But, as we know from another thread, the alleged Plejarans aren’t perfect and make mistakes and all that pointed points, so who knows, maybe a Plejaran accidentally bumped their craft into a Zeta ship during traffic stop just behind the moon and they’re exchanging insurance papers between each other.

Dyson Devine

Yo Duke! (Busy busy busy!)

🙂

You mentioned, “..TEAMS of other Extraterrestrials dotting about with their own unknown intentions as well as some very hostile ones like the alleged BAFATH too (that have an alleged record of shooting down triangle UFOs.”

I don’t KNOW, but I THINK the triangular ones are D.O.

They’re obsessed with triangles. Especially equilateral, point-up ones, ’cause they look like the Great Pyramid in profile, so they’re reminded of where their puppetmasters used to hide before May, 1978.

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/BlackTriangles.htm

“our ancestors were stupid enough to believe the Earth was Flat”

Urban myth. Look into it. It was evidently common knowledge that the Earth COULDN’T be flat, simply because they mostly lived on the coasts and were accustomed to the nature of the sea’s horizon. That was before Northern Hemisphere photochemical smog hid the horizon. You can still observe the effect here very plainly. Climb a headland and distant mountain ranges rise up above the horizon. Walk back down and they turn into a string of islands again and then disappear. I think the “flat Earth” terror story was the Church’s fault. Blame them anyway, eh?

Vimanas? Tony can tell you all about them. He reads Sanskrit. He’d have to.
“No doubt, as a professional astrologer, you’d have a LOT riding on people unhesitatingly believing that you can correctly predict the future with your personal combination of sidereal (of or pertaining to stars) and Vedic (earliest Hindu Sanskrit scriptures) astrology. Unless instructed otherwise, I’ll assume you have an excellent command of Ancient Sanskrit, since, in my understanding, many if not most of the earliest existing scriptures have never been translated. You could tell us a lot about vimanas.”

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5UahMPJ8Tc1b0tReC1DdVRlTmM/edit?usp=sharing

“what is the average time of a Contact 10-20 minutes?”

Some (many, most?) went on for hours and hours, especially with Quetzal, who drinks coffee – straight black, natch.

More to the point, what has all this got to do with fish art?

Cheers!

Duke

Hi Dyson,

Well now, we can’t spoil all the fun about the world being round now can we just jumping right to the logical answer. How can the civilization that invented the wheel, listed the planets in circles on a few steles here and there, not know about the planet they live on was also, you know, not flat? Though, I guess if a Mr. certain someone, that actually described it historically as flat, probably is going to find it Earth shattering so I’d prefer to do it in a step by step basis.

Though one must admit, every step forwards appears to take two steps back as time goes on! Like shoveling dirt against the tide.

Any way …

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_452

Maybe I got mixed up in the geometry. There are way to many triangles so please forgive me of being mistaken geometric shapes.

Ptaah Ptaah
18. Unfortunately you are mistaken, dear friend, because the strangers were not members of our federation, but they belonged to another group of the Gizeh-Intelligences and were stationed also with these, whereby they had to make an emergency landing in Brazil at that time and were captured by the Brazilian-group. 18. Du irrst leider, lieber Freund, denn die Fremden waren nicht Angehörige unserer Föderation, sondern sie gehörten zu einer weiteren Gruppe der Gizeh-Intelligenzen und waren auch bei diesen stationiert, wobei diese damals jedoch in Brasilien notlanden mussten und von der Brasilianergruppe gekapert wurden.
19. Actually they were poison gas breathers, who all died, when their respiration-equipment failed. 19. Tatsächlich waren sie Giftgasatmer, die alle starben, als ihre Atmungsgeräte versagten.
20. They could not leave the earth anymore, because their interstellar drive was completely destroyed, which was a work of the Gizeh-Intelligences, as we found by experience through the members of the Sirian group. 20. Die Erde konnten sie nicht mehr verlassen, weil ihr interstellarer Antrieb völlig zerstört war, was ein Werk der Gizeh-Intelligenzen war, wie wir durch die Angehörigen der Sirianergruppe in Erfahrung brachten.
21. The reason for the destruction of the drive was so that they could not flee, because the Gizeh-Intelligences had a `change` in fundamental attitude. 21. Der Grund der Zerstörung des Antriebes war der, dass die nach dem Sinn der Gizeh-Intelligenzen gesinnungsmässig nicht fliehen konnten.
___

WORD!

Andy

Prof. Deardorff,

While we’re on the subject–I’d like to present my bouquet as well. Obviously, your book is a gem. An invaluable contribution to the mission… we all can only hope it will soon be widely recognized as such. My copy is sitting on the book shelf beside me–waiting for the right moment to be presented to my brother (a pastor!).

Your comments here too are well appreciated of course, and what a treat to have this little interaction with one of the hero’s of this age. Hope all is well! Regards.

Andy

Looked into that butterfly man crop circle you linked above. Came across this interesting info:

http://mayanprophecy2012.blogspot.com/2009/09/butterfly-crop-circle-netherlands.html

Click link to see side by side picture of the ‘butterfly man’ crop circle and Lipton’s identical looking book cover (Lipton’s book was published about a month before the circle appeared).

Was this circle an ET endorsement of Bruce Lipton?! How cool.

Tony Vasquez - Professional Astrologer

Jim,

“A lady friend of mine has said something similar: If ETs want to communicate with humans, why would they just choose one person to do it with, and then not provide ample evidence that ETs are really the source, instead of making it seem like their contactee could be a hoaxer?

That’s a totally absurd question. You cannot be serious. You don’t really think they made “it seem like their contactee could be a hoaxer?” The Ps had good, logical reasons for doing their mission their way.

Dyson Devine

Dear Tony.

A REAL, intelligent scientist – such as our good friend Professor Jim, and Professors Levengood and Hasselhoff, to whom I refer above – would be thoroughly convinced, as I am, by their peers’ obvious, hard, physical, scientific evidence presented in their (already peer-reviewed) scientific publications I directed you to, and would never blindly BELIEVE, without doubt, that artistic earth folks could possibly have made the real designs, as opposed to the tiny percentage of “forged” / “counterfeited” crop mega-glyphs which Billy correctly attributes to the industrious Order of Darkness workers. And the real ones are under discussion here as well the pretty little sand patterns on the sea floor made by the courting puffer fish.

Similarly, real artists and allied professional experts agree.

http://www.michaelglickmanoncropcircles.com/blog/the-bishops-cannings-basket/

http://www.theyfly.com/concealment-vs-lies

http://archiv.fgk.org/01/Eltjo/Haselhoff.pdf

http://www.bltresearch.com/published/dispersion.php

Could you kindly elaborate for us as to what you’re saying here, in indignant reply to Prof. Jim’s blindingly obvious fact?

“That’s a totally absurd question. You cannot be serious. You don’t really think they (the Plejaren) made “it seem like their contactee could be a hoaxer?”

Are you seriously suggesting that they didn’t/don’t? (And I’d kindly ask you to please direct your questions to the Professor more respectfully, thank you.)

I watched an interesting 2011 documentary the other night on our Australian SBS-TV network here, the only TV I can get, but I found it on Youtube for you. It’s called “Science Under Attack” (BBC Horizon Documentary).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJXjR07WjO0

Here’s a little excerpt from the infamously ignorant blogster, who, in 1999, took years off our planet’s progress to combat global warming, by starting the distracting and mendacious “Greatest Scientific Crime in History” (a.k.a. “Climategate”) story, beloved of the corrupt corporate media, just days before the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change. It’s taken from an interview by Sir Paul Nurse, the President of the venerable Royal Academy, being Britain’s academy of science.

(@ 41.35)

Scientist: “ … Books, primary publications, are probably not your thing.”

Blogster: “It’s not my job to sit down and, ah, read, ah, ah, ah, peer-reviewed papers, because I simply haven’t got the time. I haven’t got the scientific expertise. What I rely on is people who, who have got the time and the expertise to do it, and, ah, write about it, and, interpret it, y’know. I am an interpreter of, of interpretation.”

(cut to Sir Paul)

“As a working scientist, I’ve learnt that peer-review is very important to make science credible. The authority science can claim comes from EVIDENCE, and EXPERIMENT and an attitude of mind that seeks to TEST ITS THEORIES TO DESTRUCTION. Scepticism is really Important. We are often plagued with self-doubt. I always tell my students and post-doctoral workers, ‘Be the worse enemy of your own idea. Always challenge it. Always test it’. I think things are a little (sic.) [English understatement] different when you have a denialist, or an extreme “Skeptic”. They are convinced that they know what’s going on and they only look for data that supports that position and they’re not really engaging in the scientific process. There is a fine line between healthy scepticism – which is a fundamental part of the scientific process – and denial, which can stop the science moving on, but the DIFFERENCE – is CRUCIAL.”

[Emphasis in the original. My caps.]

Don’t get me wrong. Modern science is tangled up with the Order Of Darkness too. It’s not just the corporate media, ufologists and all the paid Meier blog trolls. You may have noticed here in Michael’s blog that I’ve repeatedly tried to get people here to read Dr. Sheldrake’s most recent book, “The Science Delusion” (UK), entitled “Science Set Free”, in the USA.

http://www.sheldrake.org/files/pdfs/cv-2013.pdf

I counted about 140 peered-reviewed and other scientific publications on Professor Deardorff’s Curriculum Vitae.

http://tjresearch.info/resume.htm

You’ve stated recently, Tony, that (terrestrial, not Plejaren) “astrology” (being your 4% accuracy kind), is most definitely and unquestionably a legitimate branch of science – and Billy and the Plejaren (and any others) are simply mistaken when they teach us otherwise that it’s all nonsense and “drivel” – and you adamantly reject any doubt or scepticism that you are not a serious senior scientist and very intelligent scholar, etc.

“I practice a form [of remunerative star reading] that is astronomically correct and based on 30 years of research and full time practice … I am a man of a very high intelligence and a scholar of many serious and important spiritual and practical subjects, and in my educated opinion skepticism/doubt is evil. You can say otherwise for a thousand years, it will not change my mind. You would simply be incorrect.”

I hope, as a scholar and scientist, you’ll welcome this opportunity here to present your own scientific Curriculum Vitae for examination in order for us to admire your scientific credentials and many peer-reviewed publications and other scientific publications. Any failure to do so on your part will further indicate that you’re naturally not a real scientist at all and your occult craft is precisely as Billy and the Plejarens (and the President of the Royal Academy and others too numerous to mention) correctly condemn it to be – namely merely a superstitious occult pseudoscience; at best useless, at worst, dangerous.

Over to you, Tony.

Salome.

Dyson Devine

Happy 77th birthday, Billy!

Sheila

I just have one stupid question to ask. Do microwave bursts or ground penetrating radar sound like sonar going really fast? Do those two earth based technologies sound similar to parts of the recorded sounds of the Plejaren spaceships?

Dyson Devine

Hi Sheila,

It’s a strange, two-part question on a thread about fish, but not all “stupid”, IMO. Your questions are almost invariably relatively well-informed, imaginative and very useful. You’re too modest – bordering on the dreaded “humility”.

You ask, “Do microwave bursts or ground penetrating radar sound like sonar going really fast?”

“sound like”? Yeah. A little bit. And I should know.

I deduced that the powerful (200 mile radius) “search” radar component of my (Stuttgart based) Air Traffic Control USAF radar unit* should – in theory – generate a audible tone within one’s head, consistent with the “PRF” (Pulse Repetition Frequency) of the focussed radar beam. And, as long at the exposure was brief it would most probably be (relatively) safe.

I think the dire safety warnings against leaks in microwave ovens might be an ambit claim by lawyers.

Since I’d already experimented with the heating characteristics of the emitted microwaves, useful for warming salami sandwiches and frozen feet (without having to go through the laborious procedure of removing and replacing my snow-covered outer rubber boots and combat boots first), when I was a just foolish teenager (as opposed to the foolish sexagenarian I am now) and figured my chances of survival while in the inescapably steely grip of my homicidal maniac uncle (Sam) were slim at best anyway, I made a sacrifice for science, so to speak, and late one dark and lonely night, without first turning off the transmitter as safety rules required, I stopped the rotation of the big parabolic reflector up on the roof of the unit, climbed the integral steel ladder to the roof, bent my head directly into the radar beam, and – exactly as I had predicted – “heard”, from deep inside my head (not my ears), the characteristic high-pitched audio tone I knew to be the radar PRF. I also suddenly discovered that I possessed superhuman strength. And all the answers to life, the universe and everything had abruptly fallen into my lap. (Not really, that last bit was just a joke.)

The reason I recognised the tone, was because I’d often heard it before as interference coming from military radios and other sorts of receivers of audio frequency radio transmissions. I’ve even occasionally heard it since in TV news reports coming from an airport. Each time the radar beam sweeps past, with every (1hz) rotation of the parabolic antenna, you get a characteristic little high pitched “beep”, but more like a little tone without the b and the p. Sort of “eee (wait a second) eee (wait a second) eee”, etc. It has a lower pitch and longer duration than sonar’s “ping”, familiar to everybody from Hollywood’s submarine war movies.

FYI, like laser and nasa, radar and sonar are acronyms, being radio detection and ranging and sound detection and ranging respectively. This is always a useful conversation starter at the sorts of trendy sophisticates’ parties I’m invited to.

I think ground penetrating radar uses a range of PRFs, so being able to hear some of them is feasible, I guess, if you somehow had your hear in the way, but don’t try that at home. I don’t know and don’t feel like trying to find out. My head space is now being used mostly for the renewed teachings.

The second part of your question has a much shorter answer, “Do those two earth based technologies sound similar to parts of the recorded sounds of the Plejaren spaceships?”

No.

Be well, Sheila.

🙂

Cheers!

Dyson Devine

*http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/radar.story.htm

Sheila

Thank you Dyson for your explanations and sense of humour. If we can’t make fun of ourselves, who can we make fun of? As you are probably aware, I’m still trying to figure out the crop circle that appeared here (not in the UK but in an area in Canada where only one other one was found in August of 2001 – the Star of David – 8 years prior). August 14, 2009 my neighbour just about woke me up at 1:30 am because she could hear this loud sound and was SURPRISED THAT IT DIDN’T WAKE UP THE WHOLE TOWN and was shocked that I slept through it. She was inside her house when she heard it and it was coming from outside the house. She described it as sonar going really fast (like your reference to submarine war movies or her reference to Captain Kirk’s tricorder). So it was by no means only in her head and went on for a good 3 – 5 minutes. Getting closer and louder, then softer as it went away. The crop circle was discovered two weeks later about 5 miles away from our homes. When I got her to listen to the recorded beamship sounds, she said parts of it sounded similar. That’s where I mistakenly assumed that it was the Plejaren making the crop circles. So in a question to Billy in which I stated that the circles symbolized planets and some sort of comet or meteor was coming our way, Billy’s answer was all crop circles are manmade. In a side note from Christian he says that 5% are of a technology not known. So then I compared the crop circles to the ones in Billy’s book, the radius were correct on two of them (7 metre) except one of those was in a clockwise swirl, whereas Billy’s were all in a counterclockwise swirl. Plus the really big one was in a counterclockwise swirl but with a clockwise swipe on one side of it. It really was my first and only crop circle rodeo. Interestingly at the time, a local cowboy poet came out with a poem about the elves running their chuckwagons around the circle. LOL…until you get into the contact notes and a recent question to Billy which says that they are lifeforms. In 2009 I did some major crop circle research (as much as one can on the interweb) and contacted Colin Andrews. Btw Paul Vigay co-author of that book you referenced mysteriously died a year or so ago…did he get too close to the shenanigans of the UK military industrial complex? In one of Colin Andrews crop circle films a farmer saw a dark tube coming from the sky, made me think they are using satellites to pull this off. Then you look at the recent California crop circle hoax where they advertised a new NVIDIA Tegra K1 chip in a crop circle. One only has to google advertisement in a crop circle to see all the faked ones. So obviously earth humans have the capability. But due to your explanations I can rule out the google earth trolls and the ground penetrating radar. Thank you for that. 🙂

Dyson Devine

Eltjo Haselhof is DEAD?!

He was only young. He had young children. I feel sick.

🙁

The hexagram is the most commonly repeated CC pattern.

Go look at what it means.

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/meier.symbole.htm

Please re-read: http://www.theyfly.com/concealment-vs-lies

“But due to your explanations I can rule out … ground penetrating radar.”

No you can’t. I wrote, “I think ground penetrating radar uses a range of PRFs, so being able to hear some of them is feasible …”

But GPR couldn’t do all the OTHER wierd things observed – not on your life.

I must run, Sheila. We’re being taken back to court about something started in 2005 and I’m forced to defend the easily demonstrable truth in an environment very very hostile to it. I haven’t read any of Michaels’ other blogs yet, nor can I respond to anything more for a while here. But thanks for you encouragement (and very sad news).

“Creation is truth” (OM)

All the best.

🙁

Peace in wisdom.

P.S. The high-pitched, rhythmically-repetitive sound your friend heard was undoubtedly just a squeaky board, held in place with a loop of rope, being rhythmically pressed into place with someone’s foot. If Billy said so it must be true and we should all blindly believe him and look no further, unless it’s what he says about star-reading, at which time he’s mistaken.

Tony Vasquez - Professional Astrologer

Michael,

Take a quick look at this video. It looks real to me. I think it shows a ufo forming a crop circle.

Duke

Tony,

Didn’t you know that Jmmanuel fortold and prophecised about these in the TJ?

Chapter 3:
17. “So it shall be when humankind begins to comprehend, and when the
chaff is separated from the grain.

18. “It will be at the time when your false teachings will be laughed at and humankind discovers the truth.

19. “This will come to pass when humankind builds singing lights and
chariots of fire, with which they can escape into the cosmos, as is done by God and his followers, the celestial sons,

20. “namely those who taught us the wisdom and knowledge of Creation,

21. “and who urged us to obey the laws of nature and live according to
them.

22. “Oh you renegades, you brood of vipers, get away from this place,
because you are impure and cursed in your false teachings.

23. “Get away from this place, because I can by my own accord baptize
you into repentance only with water; but he who comes after me is
stronger than I, and I am not worthy of removing his sandals. He will
baptize you with the knowledge of the spirit and with the fire of truth.

24. “He has his winnowing fork in his hand; he will sweep his threshing
floor and gather the wheat into his granary, but he will bum the chaff
with unquenchable fire.

25. “The lie can never withstand the truth, which destroys evil in its fire.”

26. As John the Baptist thus spoke, behold, Jmmanuel of Galilee then
approached John at the Jordan, to be baptized by him.

27. John, however, refused him and spoke, “It is I who need to be
baptized by you because you possess greater knowledge than I. And you
come to me?”

28. But Jmmanuel answered him, “let it happen so now, because it is
fitting for us to fulfil all justice, since we are both sons of the Earth.”

29. So John consented and baptized him.

___

Who would have thought literally what and chaff with crop circles?

Sheila

Except in crop circles, the wheat doesn’t get separated from the chaff, the wheat is still attached to the stalks.

Duke

Sheila, think of it this way … I would NOT feed and rather burn the types of wheat stalks that Dyson has mentioned with regards to crop circles from those clearly done with the board and rope amatuers. I don’t know if it’s healthy or not but I wouldn’t take a chance to put into the food chain if I see circular holes in the wheat, varying levels of growth as if the wheat got pulled, and growing laterally in a circle thanks to some fancy energy discharge.

Sheila

I’m pretty sure that wheat already made it into the food chain, it was cut down and processed over 3 years ago. But understand where you are coming from. I’m far more likely not to eat it due to it being a GMO round up ready wheat with all that dioxin embedded in it and I’m allergic to dioxin 🙂

Dyson Devine

It’s been deliberately concentrated and experimentally eaten and is reportedly harmless, but bad-tasting (burnt).

They want us to PLANT it. (See above Levengood paper)

Dyson Devine

You’re right, Tony.

Cheers!

Tony Vasquez - Professional Astrologer

Hi Michael,

Here’s another video about crop circles you might want to take a quick look at.

Tony Vasquez - Professional Astrologer

Michael,

You wrote:

“Meier and the Plejaren are on record as saying that most are manmade, which has certainly aroused some ire. Also, Ptaah had once remarked that if any are being made by extraterrestrials, they are a very indirect, ineffective way to communicate anything important, as opposed to directly contacting the people of Earth and telling us just exactly what they have to say.

But getting back to my conversation with Meier, he told me something rather interesting. He said that the Creation itself sends out certain kinds of impulses that are picked up by highly sensitive, artistic people, who are thusly inspired to create these designs themselves, which accounts for the majority of the crop circles.”

I’m sure that’s the truth.

Whose explanation are you going to accept, the P’s and Billy’s, or a couple of translators. Translators are a dime a dozen, and can never compare to the Ps and the great Billy Meier.

Tony Vasquez - Professional Astrologer

Of course, I always think everything through. I’ll go with the Ps and Billy. Yes, I appreciate the work of the translators, but because they have done that work, doesn’t mean they know what they’re talking about. Translations are a very easy job, any college graduate could probably do it.

I for one, have no doubt, the Ps and Billy are correct.

Andy

Tony,

Despite being a college grad, I am finding translating to be extremely difficult. Albeit, I’m probably not the sharpest tool in the shed. But, unlike Anthony, it bothers me that I only have access to 5% of the oh-so-precious Meier information. Since you find it so easy, perhaps you’d be willing to make a great contribution to mission and translate a book?

Dyson Devine

Tony writes, “Translations are a very easy job, any college graduate could probably do it.”

So THAT’S why my co-workers and I all find translating Billy’s texts so very very difficult and time consuming!

I only just barely graduated from Medford (MA) High School – shortly thereafter identified in a TIME magazine cover story, about the appallingly low standard of USA’s public school system, as, “one of the two worst public schools in the entire country”.

I knew that.

Cheers!

🙂

Philip Brandel

I second that!!! I’m a college grad as well and don’t even know where I would begin!:)
Well, I guess if one went to college speaking English and majoring in German? Or some sort of degree in translating therein… might make it a little easier.
Yet, you will never get away from the basic flaws found within religion and earth life in general. These things will always find there way through no matter the so called “education” given out these days.
I digress rapidly sometimes… just read within last few months that American college students just passed the trillion dollar mark in out standing loans.
Put people in debt for life, with little chance to use what was learned for anything other than paying it all back. Bollocks!!

Dyson Devine

Here are some examples of my ignored qualified statements recently misrepresented to Billy. And a few links and thoughts on the matter.

March 16, 2010 (FIGU forum)

“the Zeta Reticulans(?) who I think are responsible for the genuine (not the hoaxed or corrupted) “crop circles'”

“Just to clarify: I don’t know for sure that the crop circles are ET, per se, since they might be from interdimentionals or time travellers, etc. But they are NOT (all) from regular (or Dark Order) Earthlings.”

http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/11009.html#POST48357

And me, again in reply to MH, March 18th, 2010, two days later.

You continue, (I’m quoting you quoting me now) “and then ‘I don’t know for sure that the crop circles are ET, per se, since they might be from interdimentionals or time travellers, etc. But they are NOT (all) from regular (or Dark Order) Earthlings.’ is a bit confusing, as well as a bit self-contradictory.”

This one is easier. It’s in the same way that various know-it-all skeptibunkers have split hairs with you and claimed that even if these so-called Plejaren zoom around in flying saucers which people can see and photograph, provide metal and sound samples for analysis and so on and so forth, THAT – in and of itself – does not PROVE that they are EXTRATERRESTRIALS, since they might be interdimentionals or time travellers, etc. I was simply trying to avoid falling into that one with you. Do you remember what Marcel Vogel said to the Japanese television interviewer who asked him – after Vogel explained what he’d found in the Plejaren metal samples he’d looked at – “So, then, are they … extratestorials?” Vogal smiled and said, “Well, they’re not from around HERE!” Maybe the gigantic field forms aren’t from ETs? But whoever or whatever is doing the “real” ones – well, they’re not from around HERE!

http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/11009.html#POST48448

A forum search of crabwood or chilbolton will unearth more if anyone’s interested.

In a deliberate act of journalistic provocation – taking a leaf from Michael’s book where he used the unqualified statement, “The World’s Leading Expert on UFOs” as a clever way to prompt much-needed debate – on November 16, 2013, I mentioned the Reticulans here without mentioning that it was my own tentative and seemingly common sense conclusion based on all my many years of work.

https://theyflyblog.com/the-hillary-raimo-show-decoding-the-billy-meier-material/11/08/2013

It got no response.

So, on February 1st, 2014, I deliberately tried again on Michael’s new thread where he effectively calls me a liar, in publicly headlining my Disclosure Project witness testimony as “BOGUS”. – meaning: “not genuine or true (used in a disapproving manner when deception has been attempted).”

https://theyflyblog.com/pretentious-profiteering-purveyor-of-all-that-is-bogus/01/30/2014

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/radar.story.htm

It seems to me, since I’m not trying to be Meier’s media representative, that I should enjoy the same privilege – of being able to state my conclusions about CCs as “my truth” – like the astrology fans do here about their conclusions, which, unlike mine, seem designed to mix the Plejaren science of astrology with the Earth-type which Billy condemns. The difference I see between these two issues, neither of which Billy supports, is that only one of them (CCs) has any logical scientific substantiation (not to mention common sense) behind it.

I welcome and encourage people not to dogmatically believe Billy as if he’s a tin god to be worshiped, and I’m sure he wouldn’t want that.

On February 3rd, 1997, Billy wrote, “They [“a worldwide group of certain earth humans”] are also not inactive in matters relating to the COUNTERFEITING of crop circles, and indeed in the most differing countries.” [my caps for emphasis]

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/meierv7p438-444.htm

“COUNTERFEITING”?

The fervour in which Billy’s ludicrous boards and ropes statement is being wielded against in-yer-face scientifically established hard physical evidence to the contrary, and Billy’s own statements about “grain circle counterfeiting” (“Kornkreisfälschungen”) – shows to me that we still have a very long way to go before we get over the idea that what “the book” (or Billy) says IS TRUE BECA– — — USE “the book” (or Billy) SAYS it’s true.

Cheers!