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Thursday, March 28, 2024

The Billy Meier UFO contacts โ€” singularly authentic โ€” ongoing for 80 years โ€” the key to our future survival

The Religious Atheists-Skeptics on the Sam Harris Forum

This article is for the benefit of any readers interested in the thread I started on the Sam Harris forum. It pertains to information that I posted and linked to that clearly shows that numerous examples of specific, prophetically accurate information were published by Billy Meier long before “official discovery”.

The veracity of claims of prior publication are established by copyrights, our internationally recognized and accepted, legal standard of proof of prior and/or first publication. While copyrights establish the date that something was first published, the content itself must then be evaluated for accuracy and relevance.

In the case of Meier’s information, its specificity and accuracy can be determined by any interested person. Some specific examples, with relevance to challenges posed on the Harris forum, are listed below.*

The fact that a court of law would recognize that the copyrights constitute the existence of ironclad, irrefutable proof that Billy Meier’s information was published prior to the foretold events, is intolerable toย pseudoscientific skepticsย because of their rigid, religiously based belief systems. They will go to great lengths to still try to discredit that which they simply cannot tolerate. And make no mistake about it, many of those who consider themselves atheists-skeptics are among the most fundamentalist in their behavior towards, and rejection of even the possibility of the reality of, Meier’s evidence and information.

They possess an irrationality and fervor that is second to no evangelical of any other faith and in fact it can be every bit as much – if not more – blindly irrational in attacking what they’ve presumed to be so easily dismissible.

In the case of documents where the originals are no longer available, such as for the 1951,1958 and 1987, etc., prophecies and predictions, all one has to do is to ascertain when the documents were first published in German and/or when they were first published on the internet. Then, if one is patient, they will start to find evidence in the form of information that is corroborated even after the relatively more recent online dates. Such was the case for Dr. Sanford Weinstein, the formerly skeptical physician/physicist for whom Meier’s information, from 1987, regarding Russian military movements (and subsequent Canadian activities) compelled him to call Meier’s information “astonishing and amazing” and that it warranted the serious attention of our own military.

What is actually revealed in the persistence of skepticism to Meier’s prophetic information – especially since there can be no doubt at all when staring in the face of the various copyrighted books and documents – is a cynical, fearful inability to accept anything that lies outside of the primitive materialism of the skeptical reality. First, character assassination and derision will be employed. Since the skeptics automatically assume that Meier is some country bumpkin who (magically, of course) “hoaxes” everything, and they assume themselves to be far superior to him, they have no trouble trying to laugh him off and dismiss him as lacking any credibility.

Point to any of the numerous credible scientific experts who’ve analyzed and authenticated Meier’s evidence and the catch-22 argument from the skeptics is that you’re “appealing to authority”! I’m sure you can appreciate the irony of so many anonymous online “experts” trying to attack the various scientists they would themselves be citing if they’d disproved Meier’s evidence and claims.

Naturally, the skeptics will move goal posts; avoid admitting their factual inaccuracies, wrong assumptions, etc. A great case in point is the anonymous skeptic on the Harris blog who came out guns blazing as he tried to state that Meier’s claimed prior contacts took place in 1975, when it’s long been documented that they occurred in 1942 and even 1964. The very fact that such cowardly wannabes are so insipidly spineless as to anonymously attack and try to assassinate the character of others is an indication of societal decline, the real magnitude and significance of which is not even barely understood in this and every other crumbling society in which it finds acceptance.

Because of my respect for Sam Harris’ intellect and eloquence, I had hoped that opening a discussion about the Meier material on his forum would bring it to the attention of some real freethinkers and,ย ultimately, Harris himself. I even asked the moderators to bring the information to Harrisโ€™ attention. I have a feeling that Harris wouldn’t approach the Meier material, its evidence and claims with anything resembling the denial and religiosity I encountered from some malcontent who’s ineptitude leaves him/her with no other options than trying to bait and insinuate, while avoiding every single specific answer and example that substantiates the accuracy, authenticity and honesty of Meier’s evidence and claims.

Should someone of Sam Harris’ stature decide to engage in the discussion I think it could produce an outwardly rippling wave of increased interest in, and awareness ofโ€ฆthe truth.

 

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http://theyfly.com/A-Sampling-of-Evidence.html

http://theyfly.com/newsflash91/5100_year_old_man.htm

http://theyfly.com/Wendelle-Stevens-Jupiter-Io.html

http://www.theyfly.com/Fukushima.html

http://www.theyfly.com/skeptical-challenge/confirming-meierโ€™s-jupiter-information-and-debunking-incorrect-debunkers-โ€ฆ-again

https://theyflyblog.com/russia-china-unitenow-hear-before/03/05/2014

http://theyfly.com/Scientific_Experts.html

http://theyfly.com/PDF/PhotoAnalysis.pdf

http://www.theyfly.com/new-documentation

http://theyfly.com/PDF/UFOSoundRecordings.pdf

http://theyfly.com/India_1964.html

http://www.theyfly.com/prophecies-predictions/henoch-prophecies

 

 

 

 

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Sheila

Freez – the ultimate expert in hot air balloon popping…what a clown. You did an excellent job Michael and Freez looks like the imbecile he really is. I can’t believe people still don’t understand copyright dates. Maybe they should look up the meaning of it.

gchamp

He says you were side stepping the initial request about the prophecies and predictions from 1951, but imagine if you told him it that there were no longer any hard copies to obtain. I’d imagine his reaction would be “see I told you”. He did a similar thing, he said he did his homework and then admitted that he did not have time to read the links you provided. I’m seeing this to be a common trend with your current skeptics, MH. “I did read it but I didn’t have time to read it”. Copyrights and patents are similar. I can claim to have created the worlds first smartphone and take it to court but if a company has a patent for it, my claim in a court of law would be futile. People can accept that when it comes to this so called “reality” but will not accept copyright materials for the Meier case.

Tony

I’m not sure what’s worse, an atheist or a bible beater. Many people here simply will not see truth. I have often pondered whether the Plejaren have actually made the logical choice in not making themselves more known. The main problem I see here is that terrestrial Humans have become so left brained, that every little thing now requires absolute substantiation or a common frame of reference, without which they become a bowl of senseless jelly. Just from a staistical point of view, once something has reached a point of chronic emergency with no end in sight, the resulting sum of things will eventually come to its fruition. Linear time can be a valuable friend, but it can also be a grim reaper in disguise. I hope the Bfath are enjoying their new planet. ๐Ÿ™‚ I applaud your efforts to continue speaking the truth, it is a damned thankless job. You’re a good hearted man Michael as are many. I suppose even a trickle of water will wear away a mountain in time.

tony

I used to think the spreading of truth was of paramount importance no matter what the medium or technique used. But then I realized, this too may be construed as slightly “all knowing.” The world cannot be changed in such an immediate way in which we may desire, it simply must fall to its own ends or new beginnings, both of which involve the inevitable route of its own types of alterations, contrary to what we as individuals may have forseen. As horrible as it may be or appear to be, I have a feeling our material minds make it real, for we never really die. I have concluded the real truths lie outside this mask of flesh and bone as we grow ever closer to the Creation. The early mornings bring this to me like never before, it’s like a small smile that cannot be explained, yet our material consciousness always ruins the day seemingly. The waving of the hand through the air and the concentration of the air traversing our nasal passages seem proof enough, yet we are bound in some way to the material yet again.

Prunc

Michio Kaku says in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Izp7q6OXXS4 that “one of the main ingredients of intelligence is to predict the future. The ability to simulate today so we see tomorrow. And that requires a high level of intelligence to be able to understand the laws of nature, the laws of people. What is the most likely outcome of a future event. That requires intelligence. If they are more intelligent than us they will see the future much better than us. They will see outcomes that we cannot foresee. They will simulate scenarios that we cannot even dream of. They can outwit us every time. […] Now think about when we encounter intelligent life that is more intelligent than us. They may see the world totally differently. […] And most important, they may be able to see the outcome of future events much better than us. They’ll be able to actually run circles around us because they see the future.”. Now he is talking about the sense of smell or sight, but there may be other senses also that we don’t posses. Why don’t these people take their own advice? A more intelligent/advanced ET may not behave like we expect because they can see the future, they can see the outcome of their own actions. Why won’t they take their own advice? Why?

KeepAnOpenMind

Hello Michael!

You may remember me from a comment that I posted on a Youtube video of yours and I’m still studying the Meier information and trying to understand every bit of it down to the last grain. I must say that you’re very persistence in trying to get this information out to people, which makes me realize how much you care about the well-being of others even if they don’t about themselves. Sometimes I just go back to what my aunt used to say back in the day “Who don’t hear will feel”, and this saying works well in this regard when talking about the ignorance of these know-it-all skeptics and “experts”. Maybe it will take the calamities that Billy Meier has prophesied about to come to pass and many lives lost, while you continue to inform them as they pray for their beloved “messiahs” to come instead of realizing that someone is trying very hard to save humanity already by spreading this information (Yourself).

Monica Schwartz

Dear Michael, (english is not my first language so I excuse myself a bit if my wording comes out awkward) I am so delighted to have come into contact with you and the Billy Meier evidence! I want you to know that you have this one’s soul full support… and one never has to underestimate the power of one soul ๐Ÿ™‚ I am also happy, excited almost! that you addressed the skeptics in this case and also that you went for Sam Harris Forum. My feeling is that from all the highly qualified very educated atheist authors out there, Sam Harris is the one that seems less stubborn and perhaps open to move his eccentric typicality of “there is nothing out there, dont waste your time” kind of philosophy… but I wouldn’t bet on it, for the pressure that he must be in, from his own readers and followers, people like “Freez”, a classic example of the so-called skeptics, with some degree of education, that will not take the time to read and verify what you are giving him… genuinely… they are like wolves in sheep skins… he will only take what he can use to devaluate you no matter what you are giving him… even if its something so wonderful that he could take and use for himself… for his good. Yes, they are stupid! Avanti Michael!! Meier Rocks! ๐Ÿ™‚

KAOM

Hello Michael!

You may remember me from a comment that I posted on a You-Tube video of yours and Iโ€™m still studying the Meier information and trying to understand every bit of it down to the last grain. I must say that youโ€™re very persistence in trying to get this information out to people, which makes me realize how much you care about the well-being of others even if they donโ€™t about themselves. Sometimes I just go back to what my aunt used to say back in the day โ€œWho donโ€™t hear will feelโ€, and this saying works well in this regard when talking about the ignorance of these know-it-all skeptics and โ€œexpertsโ€. Maybe it will take the calamities that Billy Meier has prophesied about to come to pass and many lives lost, while you continue to inform them as they pray for their beloved โ€œmessiahsโ€ to come instead of realizing that someone is trying very hard to save humanity already by spreading this information (Yourself).

curlymoses

I think Christian Frehner said something like “a beamship could land on their toe and they would still demand proof”. He was talking about skeptics? or believers? those with a problem recognizing the substance of reality. Bravo MH.

Allen Anderson

Hello Michael,

It sure seems like a common theme, if any single piece of evidence in the Meier case has any sort of real or perceived ambiguity, then the rest is thrown out and labeled as hoaxed, faked, deceptive, false.

If you ask the skeptic if he has ever told a lie in his entire lifetime, and when he says yes, well then tell him nothing he can EVER say will be taken as anything but a lie, I wonder what their response would be.

Sadly, I think it all comes down to, can I somehow profit, or otherwise benefit from this, if not, it is no more useful than the canine excrement that I stepped in this morning.

gchamp

Agreed with completely, however when talking about scientific things, then it is ok to revise a hypothesis if there are any errors.

Tony

This case is real beyond a shadow of a doubt. I KNOW it. People must understand that these things are indeed happening and/or have happened. People experience many things, they are simply too afraid to admit, this has to change. All I can say is there are frequent anomalies in countless locations.

dm

This happens to me with some atheists as well. They say “I researched it” (usually in less than one day, never mind the fact that it took me three months before I felt I had enough information to make even a shadow of a first decision) and the in the same breath they will say “I didn’t have time to look at all the information you provided me”. So then they inevitably end up in all the very tired old and very poorly researched rebuttals which have long ago been steamrolled by very simple facts which they have to PRETEND at great length don’t exist. It’s either just poor research skills or desperately wanting to pretend it doesn’t exist. Sometimes or often both.

But that’s the nature of the Meier case. Getting people to LEARN TO THINK for themselves. Nothing in this case should be spoon fed. If the information in this case is going to benefit all of humanity, then it has to be available to the laymen, not just those who have fancy academic titles. Education is a universal right regardless of societal class, country, economic background or anything else. And I think the Plejaren have made that abundantly clear in practice.

Philip Brandel

The ultimate believers… of believing nothing? Though religion as it is, is only as the individual human interprets it. 7 billion or so different religions on our earth? Only hoping around a billion are not ‘religious’… big number and know it is probably way too high.
Atheism seems to be close to one end of the pendulum of beliefs within the religious idiocy that mainly rules humanoids of our earth today. Belief all the way to belief in nothing. The self never apparent anywhere except in the material realm without god/religion. No truly self conscious, responsible, free human to be found.
As all these ‘beliefs’ people have to find their own way out… for many unfortunately, it will not be within this life(or many) no matter the information presented to them.(The clashes my 85 year old grandma and me would have when I was in my late teens!!! There was no way for her to even begin to understand?… She would have died first, and as much as I will always love her, she did. What will I hold onto so passionately, illogically to my grave if anything)?
It seems if nothing else, idiotic beliefs such as atheism are the one main wall holding us as real humans back.
Throw it all in the garbage, drive it to the dump, burn and bury it 1000feet below(materialistically speaking) and then maybe on a grand scale overpopulation and many other issues will shine in the light of day!…. If not before the earth or our own sheer numbers delivers us to the same dump first.
Where to go in a world scrambled within billions of different delusional ‘beliefs’, actions, thoughts(non of which are truly completely always logical, including my own).
Where can the truth be found if not within? Is it that simple when it comes to the truth? Spiritually have we ever needed a ‘term’ to describe the basic truth of being consciously conscious creatures within the obvious undoubted creation. Isn’t it what it is all on its own? Do the billions of civilizations out there even know of religion, as most on our earth no nothing else? Religion truly is akin to a mental disorder self inflicted!
Our ‘crutches’ are many as a world. Some as outlandish as religion and many others added on as byproducts of it and many other things stacked for varying illogical ancestral reasons.
Even having read and seen the utter truth within the Plejaren’s information, it is as if one cannot help but to stray back to humanity within its own basic illogical accord. As if one can only hold back the vibrations and thoughts for so long until we are sucked back into it. Yet, I suppose we are it and it is us. Patiently working on the self while trying to help others in any way one sees fit. Though with MANY including freez there opportunity for further thought has come and gone for the time being.
It is interesting as when I first started interacting here(again) it was because a brother of mine brought up billy to me as if I or he had never heard of him before. Though if he would have been interested he would have noticed me telling him about it all many years earlier in a non ‘bible thumping’ kind of way. Maybe that is why he brought it up to me to begin with? Point being I suppose A LOT of patience and repetition is the best way to try and reach those amongst us with ears for listening. As some will not ‘hear’ the tornado that just ripped their house completely apart above them, while they seemingly passively enjoy watching it all unfold on their T.V.

Wayne Anthony Sunter-Smith

Hi Phillip , My name is Wayne ‘or “Wayno” as i’m known here in Oz
pleased to meet you . The Plejaren and other universal federations “know” of the religions and their destruction, but are not any way affiliated with their teachings. Just to instruct/teach neighbors that cults and religions are all crap basically. And “we” here on earth should be ashamed and embarrassed to even harbour such decompositional delusional fantasy .You are Right in every sense of the word, as we watch the insanity of the primary fuse being religion, burning its way to an explosion of insane people .Being that of War, Politics, stagnation , decay of the Psyche , profiteering murdering , destroying . overpopulating etc etc etc It will indeed take many lifetimes for most people to get the knowledge , accepting the reality of truth. I have the same feelings .I know it is frustrating to “know”/”accept” the truth, when it is as plain as the nose on ya face , I could ramble on for pages , but ….Just do the best ‘You” can and just think that every person are on their “own” path of evolution. “you just got there a little quicker” . Don’t worry , they will catch up eventually . look where the Plejaren are now !! So in the meantime……. learn by coping with frustration LoL .”i Am!!!”

Philip Brandel

Nice to meet you too Wayne, we have much in common as it comes to religion, as most of us here do:)
I yearn for the last days of religion… Many a life time away.
It can only come first within us as individuals and hopefully slowly progress from there. If I make it to be as old as my grandparents there will be no heated arguments about religion with me and younger generations(I guess the roles will be reversed if need be though). Maybe within my life I can be the polar opposite of my grandma and many others, to share in knowledge with younger generations if they choose to listen.
As far as I can recollect the Tunguska event in Siberia(1908) revolved around the idiocy of religion as one example(I know many here already know the story:)). The ship had been infested with a degenerative mental disease… Christianity! As the ship could not operate properly and no one could help from outside(because of this dangerous disease) they killed themselves rather than succumb to our earth and her illogical human inhabitants vibrations(within that life at least). Over 4000 extraterrestrials perished and now are amongst us in spirit?…
Shows how far ‘they’ will go and how serious this earths ills are to those amongst are vast yet very populated universe(s).
Like animals quarantined in a cage…. we have a long ways to go on that front. As simple as it truly seems to be. Religion.

Patients is my problem:) The big picture can be daunting and for me it has come down to dedication of time to narrow things down a bit and focus on smaller things that show no real meaning on the surface.
It can be hard to want to help everyone and everything while firstly not seeing it within… where it really counts.

That is awesome that you have those pictures! I bet FIGU would really enjoy having those.

Best regards,
Phil B.
Shakopee, Minnesota USA

Reality Lover

,,Atheism seems to be close to one end of the pendulum of beliefs within the religious idiocy that mainly rules humanoids of our earth today. Belief all the way to belief in nothing. The self never apparent anywhere except in the material realm without god/religion. No truly self conscious, responsible, free human to be found.”

You know nothing about atheism. It is a acceptance of things that WORKS! Empirical view on the world without any “deep in my heart I feel X is true so it is true for me”. It’s is very easy to be tricked by own thougts, emotions, mind at all. There are plenty of “quasi-meiers” with their “proofs” and frauds using psychomanipulation and cheap, pompous speaking and ideas so all we do (I’m atheist and I find Meier’s case as corresponding to truth) is just analyzing to the fullest. Seems You are close to religious way of thinking

Philip Brandel

Another one hiding under a sud-do name…. Face me like a human reality lover? Or is that also asking for to much?
I know nothing of Atheism yet was only raised by one almost my entire life….. though my father has since past, it was over 30 years.
quasimeiers and you call me religious:) I am happy that you have found what works for you as we are as just humans of earth are. Is it easy to be tricked by ones own mind? Is it not mine to have? To ponder the very essence of what it means to be me. I have consciousness for some odd reason… Not for just some word a-t-h-e-i-s-m that I sure as hell do know!
The only trickery is not stating that Atheism is not a religion as it is. Yet, in this thinking one could then assimilate ALL things as religious based as there is no refer ens for anything else. Nothing else is known so only black(religion) or white(atheism) is accepted.
Here we are… at the presuppose of seeing and thinking a way out of the illogical roundabout of religion which most definitely includes Atheism.
The consciously conscious creature sitting here sees nothing other than what can be found within my own person… NO labels, no names, no other humans only the truth that remains as me. It is for and because of no one else and it will always be mine no matter what anyone may think.
Reality lover… It gives me great happiness to be here with you and to think freely as much as you might not think so. It is our time to begin the process of shedding religion from our thoughts, actions, EVERYTHING. In that respect, I am truly with you!!

Philip Brandel

Now you really got me… THINKING. Reality…. isn’t it the foundation of atheism? The essence of that which lies ‘without'(mainly a materialistic reality). As if we were all animals, nothing special as we truly are. Atheism seems to define reality as the Plejaren define an animals consciousness…. that of instinctual and for the hear and now..
Before I found the TRUTH at the very generous hands of the Plejaren, my father was obviously a very big role model within my life. He made me, showed me the meaning of religion. Not in a forceful way but in a way that allowed me to make my own choices. I was forced to go to church as a child, I am ‘confirmed’. Though that is and will always be where I separate from religion in this life. He always gave me the choice and though our thoughts seldom meshed he knew I was neither atheist nor any other religion. To be quite honest, I think my dad became atheist at the hands of the catholic church having molested other relatives within his extended family(as they in fact did though no case was ever opened). As there was no other choice within ‘reality’ as to be religious or nothing…. he chose nothing. Yet, here we are post Plejaren and as we all know there most definitely is something! The self… individual beings enlivened within creation and conscious to be and make what we may of our own existence. Here we are, the epiphany of creations creations and we are stuck in this reality that is seldom logical when it comes within religions grasps.
Is there anything to think that will not be called religious? Is there anything that one could in itself say is utterly defined as not having to do with religion? Or is this just a human condition in that religion is and will be ‘found’ in anything as it is all we ever know. I cant blame atheist for their stance as we all have to get out of this mentality in that regard! WE make the reality if within or without it is just humans as I only am within myself. Here at this very moment and time to if nothing else release what resides within the person that is Philip P Brandel………….

Sheila

Reality Lover – since you claim to be a reality lover how can you explain your “love” of reality? Is it because “deep in my heart I feel X (LOVE?) is true so it is true for me”. Where is your empirical evidence of that?

Wayne Anthony Sunter-Smith

I have now in my possession 5 original photographs that were part of Guido’s portfolio. Evidence is clear to me that these “Are ” the original “kodak” photographic paper , and undoctored.I would like to keep them “out of the hands” of people who don’t deserve to have them , just as “objects” of intrigue or to prize them and or , for monetary gain.. When i see Michael or Billy , id like to leave them with either of whom i see first for the archives , not distributed willy nilly …..yes i just used the term ” willy nilly” …heheheh to whomever wants them . They deserve a rightful place to add to the truth . If you could Michael , let me know your thoughts on this mate .Mind you , “I ” am deserving of these photo’s anyway being a “missionary man” and with history stemming back 24 years , when we saw a beamship.But i thought if everything was in “one” place , wouldnt it be a better idea for the evidence of the truth?
Salome
Wayne And Chrissy

Wayne Anthony Sunter-Smith

PS , if anybody here is interested , i can give the authenticity signage and numbers and the location each photo was taken , That are on the “back’s” of the photo’s. I think some of these are even published in books.
Salome Wayne

Andy

Perhaps Billy would appreciate having em… but so would I! Super cool. How did you come by them?

Andy

Oh I see though now maybe that wasn’t really an offer to distribute to us low-lings but just an offer to prove authenticity… But anyway, yeah, how you get em? Just curious.

Wayne Anthony Sunter-Smith

I like to think of myself as a “closet ambassador ” to the the cause of the Billy Meier case here in Adelaide South Australia and Perth/Albany Western Australia , and have added at least 500 people over the course of 24 years to the information (and snowballing), to help themselves. In a non-pervasive manner ‘most” times at least when i dont get hot headed by the naivety of most . You know the types.(at least im learning!) Im very fit 6’4 and 120kg and not exactly the soft looking type (but i am) Ive been waiting lately for opportune moments , when i get time , to ferret out and to find evidence pertaining to Billy on hundreds of sites. These Photo’s handily came up on Ebay where i purchased them as a “buy now” option (right time right place). Well i read the description and thought , that these actually look like the real deal so i purchased them. The reason behind it for me, Is that i have found other sites and Outlets that are selling/buying probably faked or militry UFO photo’s from just about everywhere throughout the world selling in advance of 3k up for each photo.well …… If thats going to set a precident of the Newage Art thingy, your going to get every Tom Dick And Harry buying and trading all this like it was bloody Wall Street from now into the future , dropping “some” authentic Billy photo’s into the wrong hands for the “wrong” purposes. Maybe to even destroy them .So every chance i get , i’m looking for photo’s to keep safe until such time as i can give them “Back” to their rightful owner . Without any praise or inhibitions and free of charge “Obviously” I’d always thought giving them back to “Billy” would have been the most “obvious decision”Even the undistributed photo’s may come up from time to time from who knows where. Stolen from the FIGU over the years.And of course “given” away too .Overpopulation has gone awry , and it seems people are tryin to make a buck in the “Wrong” fields of endevour even more as before as it spirals out of control.