Psychosis in Action

As a follow up to my recent blog about the New Age nonsense event, I was contacted by one of the speakers, Rob, who sent me a friendly message on Facebook.

I decided to look into his information and got a bit of his personal story, which included his family’s heavily religious background and some of his life experiences, etc. (Be sure to catch the little “Introduction from Treb” audio clip on this page, it’s a real gem.)

This led me to watch a little of a video in which (at about 30 some minutes or so) he, well, kind of rents out space to a…”Reptilian” extraterrestrial who shares its (strangely accented) words of wisdom, perhaps while simultaneously eating flies on its own world.

Changing Channels

It brought me back to those halcyon days of New Age bliss, back in 1986, when the channeling trend was just in its seminal stages. Rob’s particular bit of mumbo-jumbological astro-babble is highly derivative of the “Bashar” channeling by a person named Darryl Anka. (Think of Rob’s version as the equivalent of a rock and roll tribute band playing not quite competent covers of songs that you didn’t want to hear anyway.) Well, they say that plagiarism is the highest form of flattery.

It should also be noted that the ironically named Tom Clearwater (an oil company executive), who was involved in both Stephen Greer’s film and Stephen Bassett’s disclosure hearing fiasco, also credits himself with being the executive producer of the Bashar documentary. My, what strange bedfellows.

I honestly thought this channeling stuff was passé but it looks like it’s been picked up by a new (de)generation of lost and confused refugees from religions and dysfunctional families, etc. And guys like Rob are enjoying riding the new, entrepreneurial wave of “How You Too Can Turn Mental Illness into Fun and Profit!”

Billy Meier covered the topic of channeling quite well, in 1995, and was of course also accurate when he said that these self-induced schizophrenics will “pop out of the ground like poisonous mushrooms.”

Look Both Ways before Crossing

I decided to write about this because I actually couldn’t think of a meaningful direct response to Rob, to whom I am also sending it. I know that he’s already very invested in maximizing all the profits he can juice from the fruits of his subnoxious mind, so I figured that reasoning with, or giving unsolicited advice to, him wouldn’t be productive.

As we watch Rob do his impression of the Geico lizard on steroids, the “everybody has their own truth” crowd that chided silly old me for being so impertinent as to call for evidence for people’s wacky claims, now has some serious thinking, if not explaining, to do.

Let’s just hope that Treb Bor (roB berT?) doesn’t have the misfortune of trying to cross any dark highways at night when the infamous Susan Swiatek is behind the wheel.

 

224 Replies to “Psychosis in Action”

  1. Matthew, you obviously went to the school for kids that don’t read good. Empowerplus is recommended for bi-polar, not schizophrenia. Not once did I say anything about schizophrenia in my posts. The reason you’ve never heard of Empowerplus is because your dear pharmaceutical companies can’t make any money off of it. With Empowerplus having an 80% success rate for BI-POLAR you would think that would be the most important thing, to help people (like the 2 people who got together and concocted it because one of them had a violent son and a wife who committed suicide a couple years prior). Of course you aren’t interested so continue to tell people to take pharmaceuticals and I’ll continue to tell them not to. I’m sure glad you read those articles about vitamins (I didn’t) considering that you’re not a doctor which means you have even less than 6 months training in nutrition. Vitamin D – do you even know how your body makes it? From Sunlight – and because we live north of the 49th parallel we don’t get enough sunlight for our bodies to make it all year long, hence the use of Vitamin D for what we call winter time depression. It wasn’t hard to convince the psychiastrist at the UofA to change medication from Adavan (they give it out like candy) to vitamin D because they know it works, how come you don’t? It’s not a big secret that Dr. Abram Hoffer started out with mescaline and ended with niacin, just like he says in his biography:
    http://orthomolecular.org/history/hoffer/index.shtml
    The reality is the CIA can’t make any money off of niacin.
    I have no sponsors like you do and last time I checked I could say whatever the hell I wanted to. Are you telling me the pharmaceutical companies won’t allow that? But I guess the true test would be the statistics on your population versus mine and whose got more crazy people per capita? You win!
    Have you read The Psyche and if you have, did you put it into practise?

    1. Sheila,

      I don’t want to keep going back and forth with you. Michael’s blog is about ‘Psychosis In Action’ and ‘channeling’ which stems from schizophrenic-type illnesses. You then wrote, “People are so weak minded these days that at the onset of depression they run off to the doctor to get a pill to cure it. Personally I always try to convince them to take Vitamin D3 instead since it’s non toxic because we don’t get enough sunlight to last us all winter long.” So although you would not confront the term, you were, in a roundabout way, addressing that on a blog dealing with much more serious problems associated with schizophrenia and suggesting that Empowerplus would help this ‘weak-mindedness’. When Billy uses the term ‘weak-minded’ we can either choose that to be a reprimand or an accurate description of real ailments, as are ‘weak hearts’ or ‘weak bladders’, etc. Suggesting that people are weak because they take antidepressives may not apply to those taking responsibility for the very real illnesses they have and that they cannot relieve unless using medications.

      Nowhere in my post did I suggest that people only try antipsychotic medications. In fact I said that I encourage people to try alternative treatments. If these work for people… great! It seems you may be arguing with someone else, possibly projecting an adversary to your trying alternatives, onto me, which has nothing to do with me. Research has shown that Plecebo is also effective in treating some mental illnesses so I tend to go with the dictum: Whatever works for you is good! However, saying that I have no authority because I’m not a psychiatrist, but, then disparaging psychiatric treatments seems a little mixed up. In my 15 year career to date, I have supported the Recovery Movement and social model of disability and made some small tracks therein, so you are way off the mark. In England, people who use mental health services are encouraged to choose which medications that work best for them and the Care Program Approach (CPA) and soon to be released Department of Health Codes of Practice promote choice in every aspect of care and I welcome all these developments and so we may be using, as reference, two completely different psychiatric systems and differing national legislations.

      I am currently reading the Psyche and the Might of the Thoughts, but, slowly. I want to ensure that I fully take in the information, bit by bit, and thereby integrate the teaching therein in a meaningful way.

  2. Hi Rob,

    Having read nearly all of Jane Roberts books and meeting, in person, Roberts Butts, her surviving husband at what was their joint home in Elmira, New York, I hope to further your investigations and interests in Billy Meier and impart to you the efforts I took to understand New Age philosophies and ‘channeling’ which lead me to write this post.

    What ‘channeling’ seems to represent, for me, is a stretch, a negative strain, upon the rational capabilities of human beings. In the vacuum created by the enlightenment in regards to the rejection of religion and associated moral and ethical values that were once demanded by the church, it seemed as if human beings were, on the one hand, faced with their infancy in terms of scientific understanding of the unseen and, on the other, left without any instructions as to how to conduct ourselves morally and in terms of a shared value base. The information from Billy Meier fills that vacuum and has come exactly at the right time.

    There were a couple of issues I discovered when investigating Jane Robert’s claims. One was that she claimed to know hardly anything about the Christian (Catholic) religion when she ‘channeled’ her information about the origins of Christianity and, yet, as a woman who had spent a considerable part of her childhood in Catholic school, I found that to be incongruent to the truth. It appeared to me to be as if she was not able to take responsibility for what were deep-seated religious beliefs that were, in all probability, held at bay as they were associated with her terrible experiences of an abusive, suicidal, bedridden, mother, who, “…used to tell Jane that she was going to turn on the gas jets in the middle of the night and kill them both”. The other signs of trauma leading to psychological disorders and ‘channeling’ were Jane’s habit of eating one tiny piece of bread every day and seeming obsessed with food. This indicates to me that Roberts had an undiagnosed eating disorder. As eating disorders are often rooted in exaggerated needs to control ones enviornment, in order to compensate for deep-seated insecurities, I was also alerted to the possibility that her ‘channeling’ a strong-minded, confident, broad-shouldered male – ‘Seth’, were symptomatic of underlying psychological issues. Other clues that her ‘channeling’ was not that dependable were the psychological and psychic tests that were carried out whilst she was alive and that she failed to a large extent. Although there were some indications that she was able to ‘hit’ some blind targets, psychically, this was actually less remarkable than what her followers were able to achieve when they passed ‘envelope tests’; copying pictures sealed in an envelope accurately. In fact, in my own experiences, I’ve met many people, some of whom had no prior interest in all things ‘psychic’, do very well in similar tests of psychic ability. It seems to be an inherent ability of humans that Billy Meier explains in detail in the ‘spiritual teaching’. Other clues that Jane Roberts’ ‘channeling’ stemmed from some unprocessed underlying psychological problems are indicated by her best friend, Sue Watkins, in her accounts of Jane’s very ordinary and sometimes ‘boring’ personality. It was if her best friend needed to set the record straight after Jane’s death to tell her followers that despite the ‘Seth’ episodes, Jane was not that remarkable in her day-to-day life, perhaps explaining a psychological need for her to shine in her ‘channelings’. However, with all that said, her catchphrase, ‘Your beliefs, expectations and emotions create your reality’ was FAIRLY accurate except for the beliefs bit as it is the ‘thoughts’ that create reality as is exaplined by Billy. I personally enjoyed aspects her ‘magical approach’ that encouraged human beings to trust in healing subconscious processes to sort emotional and psychological problems out. This was definitely an indication to me that towards the end of her life that Jane had developed some interesting ways to cope with what, for me, were the very real psychological traumas that she experienced in terms of the abuse of her mother in Jane’s childhood.

    Let me get back to my first point about ‘channeling’ representing a stretch of the imagination; of rational thinking. In order to cope with psychological trauma, human beings can be very creative. The human mind is immense and will conjure up all kinds of ways to avoid harsh, ‘don’t want deal or think about that’ realities. In this light, Roberts’ dictum of beliefs creating reality can be seen as psychological gymnastics to avoid the harsh reality of the ordinary – the real and her thoughts around this. Billy Meier presents us with a new paradigm: Dealing with the truth and living with the truth and facing reality. Truth, as is promoted in New Age circles, is not ‘relative’. Understanding that point alone represents a huge step in the evolution of ones consciousness. Whilst New Age followers will refer to differing witness accounts of people at an ‘accident’ scene being different, it is important to understand that the ‘map is not the territory’. It is encumbent on the various witnesses to speak with and thoroughly investigate the subjective views of all the other witnesses to get a clearer picture of what actually happened during an event. The human being must not solely be a witness, they must also be the police officer, the investigator, and thoroughly test things out with others before claiming to have any authority on an event, or, subject. New Age believers would have us think that the human beings’ responsibility starts and stops at their own subjective experiences. This is not true, however, as the human being is, when functioning normally, a rational being who uses all the senses and their thinking and intellect to thoroughly test their views of reality against the truth which will emerge from these efforts. In this regard, I ask you to read the links below from Billy Meier. If you have been studying ‘channeling’ then I would thoroughly recommend the ‘spiritual teaching’ of Billy as it satisifies all the unanswered questions left in the wake of confusing New Age philosophies. The benefit to you will be immense I guarantee you. I also ask that you analyse yourself honestly in terms of any traumas and intensely negative, perhaps ‘shocking’ experiences that you may have had in childhood that may have instigated your ‘channeling’. I’m not asking you to reveal anything here publicly in regards to this, but, just to think about that possibility and not to dismiss any experiences that you may regard as having ‘moved on from’. I promise that if you remain open-minded and read the information from Billy Meier you will get all the answers you will ever need throughout your life to fill the vacuum created from the ending of old ways of religious thinking and the emerging new ones that lack a true spirituality.

    You will notice that in the following links, Billy has mentioned that there are reptilian humanoid lifeforms that do exist in the Universe. However, these are real human begins and as such will also be subject to the capacities of the human mind which are also explained fully by Billy. Certainly, the kind of ‘channeling’ promoted in some New Age circles is not possible in terms of one humanoid speaking through another humanoid in the way described by ‘channeling’. It is just not possible in any way imaginable. Human beings can send impulses to other human beings, but, these will always be subject to the understanding of the recieving human being and their personal characteristics and come in the form of subconscious thoughts and impressions, or, pictures, sounds, etc., not as words or sentences which are laways to do with the consciusness of the speaker. These impulses can come from benign human beings or from negative human beings. As Jane Roberts understood, thoughts have an electromagnetic reality and Billy talks extensively on this in his extensive writing and explains, in mcuh more detail than Roberts, that they also have their limits which he clearly defines in terms of distances that thoughts can travel. Certainly ‘channeling’ as it is presented is not possible. However, if you are open-minded and willing to get past that, you are in for a real treat in regards to the vast knowledge from Billy! It’s truly mindblowing stuff. Along with all that, Meier does not hold back on some some harsh realities and the truth that are not always easily palatable at first reading. However, I remember when I first read ‘Seth speaks’ and how I threw the book against the wall in anger. Only later did I thoroughly investigate the claims of Roberts for myself to see if there was anything to it and I am richer for it because it represents my journey to finding the true gold I found in the spiritual teaching from Billy Meier. If we remain open-minded and research the information from Billy, both the physical evidence and the spiritual infromation, we evolve.

    I wish you well in your journey and glad you were brave enough to write here on this blog which I can imagine was not easy for you, but, represents what could be for you a brave first step into a new world of truth and knowledge… Salome!

    In regards to ‘What the bleep do they know’ and ‘channeling’, the following Contact Reports may offer some insight…

    http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_236

    176. Therefore, the Earth person should, in good measure, rely solely on his reason and on his intellect and also on his logic.
    177. But this also means that the person of the Earth should, in good measure, rely on the real sciences of physics and astronomy, on medicine, and on the other given sciences of forms related to reality and should turn themselves to these, even though the scientists of these areas still commit many mistakes and even though much ignorance and many errors and negations still appear with them.
    178. Nevertheless, they are real scientists who occupy themselves with the effective truth of the matter and with its laws and commandments and who adhere in such a way to the given facts, which unfortunately cannot be said of the so-called esoteric scientists and their followers and believers, for typically, with few exceptions, they are all just pseudo-scientists who rarely step into the public.
    179. This pseudoscience is often only pursued by earthlings who are utterly insignificant and who suffer from feelings of inferiority and similar damages, like also the alleged mediums, channelers, and contactees, etc., who only pursue all of this in order to be able to step into the limelight of certain groups or the large public.
    180. And pseudoscience ultimately refers to everything that falls within the scope of what is designated as Psi, channeling, mediums, ghosts and demons, religion, contactees and esotericism, for these things do not exist in reality.
    181. The actual form of the spirit that should really result from this is solely to be called the “teaching of the spirit,” which contains within itself everything that is of a spiritual and material nature.

    Other information relating to issues raised in ‘What the bleep do we know’ and other information…

    http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Dimensions

    http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Fundamental_Forces

    http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Humanoid_lifeforms_in_the_known_universe

    1. Thank you Mathew for some of the greatest grace and civility on this page as of yet. I always have an openness within me otherwise I would not be able to grow each day. I am looking forward to looking deep into every link here and discerning it with my heart and mind. Thank you. NOW, with this being said, Jane Roberts work predated Billys, so this makes no sense when people say that the new age movement stole everything from Billy. Most people I know use Seth books as their own hearts Mantra. Another thing, as I was accused (ever so elegantly by Mike lol ) of being a plagiarist of “Bashar” by Darryl Anka, I had NEVER heard anything from him before I met TReb. In fact I had NEVER heard anything form anyone on this subject about metaphysics before this. I had went to spiritualism churches and they only talked about connecting to spirit. Although they had some similar beliefs, they did not have the extensive insights as TReb did when I met him. So I wonder how is it that I gained this wonderful information from this entity without ever being predisposed to it ? I am asking because to me this is a HUGE question mark. Obviously to all of you have no idea of the truthfulness of this, but ask yourself, If I am telling you the truth, how did this work. It seems like you are able to be the less cynical and more glass half full type of guy. This is a question that only helped me jump to the validity of the message and realness of my experience. Allot of people are also jumping to the conclusion of me having mental illness and horrible life issues. My childhood was religious, yes, but besides this, the only suffering I had in life was the 6 years of depressive thoughts I had because I found out my son was severely handicapped and could never walk or talk again. ANY PARENT who has a kid who is severely disabled takes a while to deal with that. Pretty standard right ? I have honestly made peace with that 2 years before I ever met TReb. So I am not sure how or why that would be an issue. I never heard of Janes unordinary life, but I still having a bit of trouble seeing how that fits into mental illness. Yes, abuse, eating habits, all of these could be examples of textbook disorders. What is psychology ? The people we call psychologist are only working as theories anyway. I have studied psychology before. Everything they do is called theory because you can not study with conventional means the human psyche. As for it being hard to come on this blog and talk. It was much easier than you think. Remember as of now I am a man who believes that each has their own truth, but more than that, I am one who can accept with an open heart that one truth is not any better than the next, even if it contradicts my own personal feelings and truths. I am very grateful to you and I will look over all of this. Thank you again for your civility and interest.

      1. Rob,

        Billy Meier began publishing his voluminous prophetic information in 1951…when he was 14. A few years earlier, he had already published a text on meditation. His prophetic accuracy includes an enormous amount of specific scientific information, which differs of course from both yours,the Seth material and all other channellings. (If you ever want me to “channel” for you, I’ll gladly do it. You’ll find that while it will resemble what you do, I’ll be able to draw on information that you’re unaware of from the Meier material and sound pretty impressive.)

        Just for the sake of moving this along in a credible way, let’s stop for a moment where you say before you “met TReb”. This of course assumes that there is “someone” named TReb and that you “met” him. If you told us you met someone named “Joe”, who was central to the things you claim, it would be fair to ask you to identify him, provide evidence of his existence, when and where you met him, etc. If Joe is a real person, that’s pretty easy to do.

        So, before we proceed based on the claims about TReb, please give us evidence that TReb is a real person, where you met him, etc.

        Perhaps at least as important is to consider that there are parts of our consciousness that we are unconscious of which, nonetheless, can impact us quite profoundly. Since you revealed that you have a rather serious and demanding responsibility as a parent, and that caused you 6 years of depressive thoughts, despite what you’re conscious of at this time, you may wish to consider the possibility that such stresses (and your religious upbringing) may well have contributed to your seeking/creating an invisible, all-knowing friend “from above” to help you cope with your own situations.

        This is not only not outside the realm of possibility, it’s a far more reasonable explanation than that you have somehow uniquely transcended all laws of science and physics without an ounce proof that you have done so. (It’s actually not unheard of as some little children have/create “invisible friends”.)

        So, please provide the requested information that establishes the reality of TReb, where you and he met, etc.

        And, if you can’t provide any actual evidence for his existence and your meeting, please explain why it isn’t more likely that, due to certain psychological, emotional, financial stresses, etc., you’ve actually created him.

        I think other readers may have questions for you too.

        1. Michael,

          I’ve watched some of the guys videos most of them don’t have any video of him actually “channeling” some of them do. With all do respect I think this is a huge waste of time. I won’t even entertain this anymore I’ll just watch you continue to confront him with logical questions and watch him ignore them as if they aren’t there. I guess “Treb” doesn’t like logic and has no way of proving “its/his/her” existence.

          1. While I don’t intend this to be an endless, fruitless discussion, I want to see how Rob responds to the latest questions, etc.

            I was the one censored on the broadcast and chastised for “presenting beliefs instead of facts”. I pointed out that the other presenters would be very hard pressed to support their claims – which were based on beliefs – with any facts…and should be held to that standard. Rob is the only speaker who contacted me and initiated a conversation. So I want to be as fair as possible in having an open discussion here, primarily so he can support his claims and beliefs.

            If he can’t, perhaps it will be instructive for him and then perhaps he would also openly share that with the people in his sphere of interest, in service of the truth and honesty.

        2. Understand, but if you read my last comment, English, spelling, typing, and communication in written form is not my strong suite. To explain all of this would take SO long. So i will link you to it instead. NOW. as for the idea that Treb is a creation of coping, anyone would say that is reasonable, and I will never argue any fact. This is not what I intend to prove because as I have said I can not prove this. All I can do is share my own story, and show you facts that it is possible to channel. Science has shown this. As for Billy’s publishings, were and how did he publish these predictions at 14 ? I know very little about the case exepet what things I have heard allot of the E.T. races he shares is something that TReb has told me is true. Also some of what is said resonates. Your movie gave me more exposure to this case than anything I had seen before. I want to make something very clear here. I am not here to challenge Billys story in any way. Much of what is said sounds like it could be real and I have no need, desire to challenge anyone’s beliefs. This is turned into a debate about whos information is correct, again I beleive in many truths, so this is not relevant to me. I will send you a link to how I met TReb, and even when you hear it, it will not resonate with you because it is an astral state projection. This again is unprovable. I can not prove anything. In fact I am pretty sure I stated that in my very first addressing of this group. If your idea of asking me to share was converting me to the Billy club, IDK if that would ever work. I can not tell you because for me, i change my heart and mind every day when i learn new resonances in my heart. My channeling is my high excitement. I have done well now mentally emotionally and spiritually by following my excitements. I do not wish to take away anything from anyone here. My intent was to add to whatever conversation you have. Here is the link that tells in my own words my whole story. After that I will find the videos and articles showing that channeling is a possibility. I am also slowly looking through all of the links, material ( interested most by spiritual ones ) that all of you have shared. But as you have said, the concepts of Billys spiritual teachings come from his experiences. There is never been scientific proof of this, and you all have taken it because it feels right. There has been many other proofs scientifically that what He said was true about the tree, and recordings and other things. But if you hold me to a standard that says my own experiences are not enough proof, then why do you not hold billy to this idea of his spiritual teachings and what he said that he was told about the universe, channeling exetra. All of that information comes from what he said he hears from these P’s. Much of what I am getting here is that the proof of spiritual teachings is because Billy said so. I AM NOT SAYING HE IS LYING or misleading or anything of that sort. But you have not held him to that standard in any means when it comes to spiritual stuff. All you have is Billys word, and your own discernment. For me, that is all I have needed from TReb. See how that works 🙂 LOL. I do appreciate and love all of you guys/gals, and promise to educate myself deeply in these links you have shared. LOVE.

          P.S. Coming soon. SCIENCE… the proof that I offered to you all.

          recent. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vUIiVAo_Oc
          older . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABgaA8Ogmws
          another, only first 30 – 40 mins mins. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpCp7giYodg

          1. Rob,

            I’m going to list points here but first let me say that we’re not trying to convert anyone to anything.

            1. You’ve shown no facts that it’s possible to channel, nor that “science has shown this”, since you can’t establish the reality of “TReb”.

            2. Any logical person would say that absent the evidence for the other person – and absent any specific, uniquely significant, verifiably accurate scientific information – more than likely you are “performing” something of your own conscious or unconscious creation. It wouldn’t be the first time in history.

            3. He published his information in Switzerland, with the help of one his school teachers, beginning around 1947.

            4. You are certainly free to challenge his information, evidence, etc. – as we are free to challenge yours of course.

            5. We don’t “believe in many truths”, an idea that can and does get people into trouble in many areas of life. If someone’s truth is that arsenic is harmless and should be taken to cure your stomach ache, would you still “believe” in that person’s truth…enough to take the arsenic. Or do you already know that their “truth” isn’t true?

            6. You state that you met TReb durng “an astral state projection”. Do you have any verifable evidence that such a thing exists…besides a bunch of people syaing that it does? And do you have any evidence for your own claim?

            7. This term of “following my/your excitement” is a very often used one in MANY various channelings. It doesn’t really tell us much. “Following excitement” may not be the best way to logically analyze something, for instance. And we often pursue important things without any “excitement” when steadiness, clarity and presence of mind are necessary…such as would be the case if we were really having actual contact with beings from another world.

            8. The spiritual teaching doens’t just come from “Billy’s experiences” and while it may “feel right” that isn’t the basis of it. We have to THINK through it and test it in practical application.

            9. Since we can think through what Billy has told, and since we have a huge foundation of credibility in the form of his verifiably, prophetically accurate scientific information, we have a reason to TRUST the source…but we still are responsible to think through, question and challenge, to determine the truth ourselves.

            10. Therefore, of course we’ve held him to that standard, and we’ve done so, as I mentioned by constantly testing the information through thinking, logic, analysis, application, etc.

            11. Lastly for now, we have a verifiably real source of tested and corroborated information which, in our time alone, spans over 60 years. So far as we still can tell, you are the sole source of your information, which also so far hasn’t shown itself to contain ANY specific, uniquely significant, verifiably accurate scientific information. In any school, in a court of law, one source would be considered credible and included, the other would be excluded. It’s still up to you to give us something tangible. I encourage you to reread this and the other challenges and also to understand that this is an IMPERSONAL process designed to provide clarity and ascertain the…truth.

          2. Rob,

            One more thing, we had this exchange on your Facebook page:

            MH: As an example, did you know that I can levitate, fly, perform aerial acrobatics and gravity defying feats?

            Rob: No, i wasn’t aware of this, how is it possible ? i would love to hear more about it
            …………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………

            So let me ask you, do you believe that I can fly, do all those stunts and that – on at least two occasions – I’ve taken a couple of people up with me to experience it for themselves?

      2. Rob,
        You said:
        “Remember as of now I am a man who believes that each has their own truth, but more than that, I am one who can accept with an open heart that one truth is not any better than the next, even if it contradicts my own personal feelings and truths.”

        As of right now, you’re dumb. That is a very stupid statement. Study the Meier material, learn correct information, stop lying, and stop acting stupid like a few others on this blog. I watched the video mentioned above, you’re a bold face liar. You don’t “channel” anyone. Get some professional help. You’re psychotic.

        1. Tony Vasquez, the I’m a Professional Astrologer guy and everyone should know that lest they make stupid, ignorant remarks, ask me dumb, ignorant questions so that I will have to ignore them until they perish, like the dumb stupid ignorant unspiritual, poor excuse for humans that they are, and if it was up to me I’d put them to death myself, because they don’t deserve to live, and because I say so:

          You may read the Meier material but it most certainly does not operate in your words here and most likely not in your day to day living and breathing. To say you lack the humaneness in the real and true sense, would be an understatement in an understatement.

          And talk about lying/bold face lying, about being dumb and about stupid statements, about being psychotic, about need professional help; you said you’d contact Billy or Christian F. about whether or not you practice the ‘correct form of astrology’ and yet not a word has been mentioned of their response or lack thereof, of which silence would be an answer in itself.

          Everyone here, every human in this universe, of which that would include Rob Gauthier and even you, Mr. I’m-a-Professional-Astrologer and all-should-know-this, is at a certain point in their evolution, at a relatively early stage at that, and is here to add to their knowledge, wisdom, love, harmony. The freedom is given to each human to learn at their own pace and of their own decision, including you. Your human disdaining words to others, go out into the universe and boomerang back to its sender, you, where the lessons you need to learn will be delivered via cause and effect, like every other human you chastise and insult.

          You may study the Meier material but it flows through you like unused excrement. It would do you and the world good to actually and factually make some sort of attempt to implement it in your actual life.

          Go ahead, now you are free to call me an ignorant stupid human who is unspiritual, should die and whom you will ignore, once again.

          1. You said it for me. Thanks. But I’ll make it perfectly clear, YOU ARE TOTALLY INCORRECT.

          2. Emails between me and Christian:

            Apr 10 (9 days ago)

            to Christian

            Hello Christian,

            I hope all is well with you.

            My name is Tony Vasquez. I am a professional Astrologer with over 35 years of experience. I have known Michael Horn for a couple of years, and I have been contributing on his blog for several months.

            I know from experience, and the success that I have had with it, that I practice the correct form of astrology. It is an astronomically correct form. There has been some debate on Michael’s blog as to whether that is true or not.

            If it is possible, would you please ask Billy to comment on this issue. Specifically, could you ask him if I do indeed practice a correct form of astrology.

            Thank you,

            Tony

            Apr 10 (9 days ago)

            to me

            Hi Tony,

            How should Billy know whether or not you are practicing a correct form of astrology, especially since he doesn’t know you and your claims and statements, and since you are convinced that you are practicing the correct form?

            Kind regards,
            Christian

            Apr 10 (9 days ago)

            to Christian

            Hi Christian,

            Yes, I agree, how can Billy know? But there are some on the blog who think that Billy can know, or can find out. I don’t need the validation, but they do.

            I know from experience that I am practicing a correct form, so we will leave it at that. And I think time will prove that I am.

            Thank you very much,

            Tony

          3. Tony pro-astologer ..,., glad to see your Bescheidenheit remains intact.

            298) Never be haughty with your next ones, and live in modesty with everyone and with yourselves; do not strive for renown and fame, because otherwise you will fall victim to megalomania, selfishness and wanting to appear to be more than you are, as well as the worship in irrationality performed by others who bow down to pay you homage (glorify you).

          4. Bruce,
            Your judgment of me is totally incorrect. I think you have some irrational prejudices flowing in your mind.

          5. Tony,

            … did you miss what Christian typed to you? Let me help you …

            “since you are convinced that you are practicing the correct form? ”
            “since you are convinced that you are practicing the correct form? ”
            “since you are convinced that you are practicing the correct form? ”
            “since you are convinced that you are practicing the correct form? ”
            “since you are convinced that you are practicing the correct form? ”

            What exactly are you asking Billy or FIGU in particular? Do you want them to say yes you have convinced yourself that you are practicing the correct form of astrology?

    1. Well Doug finally surfaces after searching diligently for any bit of skeptical nonsense he can. Of course he doesn’t realize that ALL of Phil Langdon’s futile efforts have been thoroughly…debunked themselves.

      Try:

      https://theyflyblog.com/billy-meier-ufo-case-prove/06/15/2014

      Yeah, you can prove it yourself…which of course is a big problem because then you have to refute your own findings, which I don’t think scientists (or anyone else) like to do.

      And you’ll love these too:

      https://theyflyblog.com/mindboggling/01/07/2014

      https://theyflyblog.com/wcufo/03/04/2014

      Poor Phil has gone a bit bonkers and can’t debunk, or reproduce the evidence…which you couldn’t either.

      1. Yeah, this guy got all upset and decided to debunk the Meier case. He thought that I was “putting down the audience’ intelligence” by pointing out that channeling, etc., is pure fantasy and nonsense.

        Now he’s making claims about a “cult” but, funny thing, he’s the one that came knowing on our door…trying to sell pseudoscience.

        1. He’s nuts. No one can debunk the Meier case. How can you debunk truth? Illogical mental pygmies.

        2. Hung from a fishing pole? Phil and Doug need to go fishing, for some brains. They have to be disinformation. No one can be that stupid.

        3. It’s easy for a greater spirit to take over a simple human being and speak through them. Good spirits wouldn’t do that, so most likely they belong to the Giza group. . . . I wouldn’t trust anything they say. . . . .

          1. Nah, no spirits “take over a simple human being and speak through them”, it doesn’t happen. Only people’s own confused, subnoxious minds are responsible for it.

    2. SIL! Douglas if this is your source for proving that Billy Meier has been “disproved” it says a lot about your level of thinking. That’s all. After Michael shuts your or well they’re not yours, but another persons claims down with evidence please don’t let the door hit you on the way out. Or maybe you can still [at your own will] and dig through the rest of Meier’s evidence.

    3. Douglas,
      I am glad you brought up Phil… He has helped tremendously in showing how REAL Billy’s case is. If this is what a ‘professional’ can do sooo many decades later, it shows just how authentic it all is! Did Billy Meier have drones? Was he a professional model maker… why is it that I see Langdon holding his remote to Langdufo with TWO hands?
      All whom are researching this case should look into Langdon’s ‘work’… it just might show a telling tale of the reality of what is standing in front of us all.

    4. You can’t disprove Billy Meier. How can you disprove something that is true and real?
      Michael, you have to agree, these people are either disinformation, or they are of a very low level of intelligence, and perhaps mentally ill.

      1. Tony,
        I don’t understand you ones again. At this point in the evolution of our fellow humans, all information is a gate way to finding the truth. Many people need the positive, as well as the negative…. to find some sort of inner peace with anything(any information). Especially as so many have been deceitfully misdirected at the very cost of the… truth.
        The world is such a wonderful place to be alive in…. it truly is. Life is a learning experience and one can and should find joy, peace, happiness in anything thrown at them. We must find the best in any situation and try and enjoy every second of it. The here and now… the beauty of life and our fellow humans in any form. When we find no joy with that of our own kind, will we ever find it within anything else on our world? Some seem to have the opposite effect as well. Some seem to value ‘pets’ more than humans on the premise of how far humanity has negatively effected them…. do you have any ‘pets’ Tony?

        1. Philip,

          Your lovey dovey stance is appreciated, and I too am a man who fills my life with truth and love for all of Creation, but I see the enemies of truth very clearly, and to me, it’s a war against them. Sometimes a war of self-defense is justified. Everyone will operate according to their own freewill choices, I know that very well. I choose to FIGHT lies, ignorance, and machinations against truth, especially the deliberate attempts to mislead and misguide, and to brainwash Humanity against the truth.

          As I said, to me, it’s WAR, not that I am happy about that, nor would I choose that to be. It is what it is.

          We are looking into the face of the Henoch Prophecies, which means the near, or total destruction, of civilization, and the only thing that can save us, as I see it presently, is the Plejaren/Meier material. If you see something else that will do the job, please let me know.

          One more thing, and let me make this very clear, I sincerely do not care if someone dislikes me, or my words and actions, or disagrees with me, my actions are based on years of research and study, and a very realistic understanding of the time of history we live in, which in part is based on, and confirmed by, my astrological expertise and knowledge. Re-read the HP, tell me if you do not see them manifesting before your eyes. Like Michael says often, this is about survival!

          So, I choose to verbally attack the enemies of truth, to point out their errors in a harsh way. Remember, the pen is mightier than the sword. If I offend you with my method, just turn the other way.

          Have a great day.

          1. Tony cheer up man I know life can get serious but it doesn’t always have to be so darn dead pan serious.

          2. Tony,
            Being a fellow American, if that means anything more to you, I am not living under some rock. I can sense what is happening like anyone else paying attention. We here are in for nothing short of chaos, if not all out nuclear war. Yet, every day is a chance to further our own development and to share what being a true human means… is.
            Where is this truth and love for all of creation?
            I know what we are going to be facing soon, it is obvious at all levels of our country. Count me as one very much preparing for the future we imminently face! I choose to stay in the heart of this beast knowing what potentially awaits us all. Though I will put a smile on my face everyday, and be with my fellow humans in peace, love, happiness, equality, and freedom. Find, and think of only the best for this world and me, that so dearly needs to change. Will it come to be by doing, thinking all we ever know… war, destruction, death?
            What do we have if not that which is right here and now.
            Though I sincerely hope all here are making some kind of ‘arrangements’ for the future so close at hand.

  3. Wow, yet again you debunk the debunkers with your blog links. Any serious person when asking for proof, would laugh at you pointing out your own blog as cited proof. I suppose I will have to laugh for the world. I am starting to agree with Douglas. Starting to look as if people refuse to look at all evidence they are a bit brainwashed. That is what a cult is. I watched all of his links and made a huge doubt in the Meier case now for me.

    1. Well, Jason, has it not dawned on you that you’re on the…internet, as is information but good and bad, right and wrong? Do you think that it’s even remotely possible that someone could link accurate, as well as inaccurate information? That it’s actually fair and proper to point out when someone – Phil Langdon – has not only failed to duplicate, let alone debunk Meier’s evidence but has also published absolutely terrible defamatory attacks against him?

      Also, did you know that…I assisted and encouraged Langdon, since 2009, to take his best shot at duplicating the photos and films and that I had to point out to him that his version of the”Pendulum UFO” was obviously flawed since he didn’t have the ship hang motionless, off to the left, at and angle in the beginning? So Langdon had to go and attach yet another line to the side of the model so that he could pull it to the left and stop its motion, etc., etc., etc.

      I had no problem encouraging him to take his best shot at “duplicating” the evidence. After all…it’s impossible, since Meier’s is real and Langdon’s relied on models and enough fishing line to reel in Jaws.

      Do you really think after looking at the close up details in these photos:

      https://theyflyblog.com/wcufo/03/04/2014

      https://theyflyblog.com/can-yousee-what-youre-looking-at/12/10/2013

      …that Langdon did – or could – duplicate the mating, settings of the jewel-like objects, etc.?

      So, speaking of being brainwashed, if you’re “starting to agree with Douglas” maybe you should open the lid on the washer and stop the machine before it takes to all the way to spin dry, fluff and…fold.

      1. Nicely said ones again Michael…
        Seems Jason has not done his homework… Probably didn’t even leave your site to look for other pro- information. Not to say that A LOT is not linked here!
        Oh another religious feller finding only that which resides within the religious cults the world over.
        Jason: ‘I am starting to agree with Douglas. Starting to look as if people refuse to look at all evidence they are a bit brainwashed’. Do you even read English? Like one looks right at the words and creates some alternative ‘meaning’, post belief. Oh boy, seems Michaels blog is filled with many peoples whom have a altering view of these irrelevantly wrong beliefs there Jason.
        Hope you have fun out there in the ‘world’.

  4. btw, this is pretty interesting and may partially explain Rob Gauthier’s a channeling abilities, which actually may be him being able to tap his own storage banks or even the storage banks of others.

    http://ca.figu.org/Our_Shared_Lineage.html#Our_Shared_Lineage

    “So, our consciousness has the ability to not only access our own ‘frequency’ of past lives but it can also tune in to another person’s ‘lineage’ by generating a different frequency and thereby can make use of the knowledge and abilities of those previous personalities. ”

    “…. his material-consciousness receives, via his material-subconsciousness, impulses and capablities through somehow accessing the consciousness-block frequencies of deceased personalities. It is possible that some may be from his own consciousness-block lineage, but it is also clear that they cannot all be, as some of the personalities he accesses have lifetimes overlapping with his own, and with each other. ”

    “Regarding what Billy had to say about the film. He said that the channeling and talking to spirits was a bunch of nonsense. (The Gasparetto segment was one within a series entitled UFO’s and Channeling.) However, he said that Gasparetto was not faking what he did and that he actually was accessing the ‘imaginings’ of these previous personalities. He was not able to say how.”

    1. I think that in order to attribute such abilities to Rob, we’d have to see just what uniquely accurate information he brings forth. In my own brief review of some of his online channeling, I found it to be typical of the generalized, feel-good, cliche laden stuff, along with the silly vocal accent, that’s been going on since 1986 (or earlier). If Rob wants to provide or point us to where things of more substance may have flowed through him, he’s certainly invited to do so.

      I should add that recently someone I know enquired about the ability to tap into other people’s storage banks and he received a reply that “according to Billy, it is impossible to tap into the storage banks of other people’s spirit’s.” So further clarification would be great.

      Lastly, since I also worked with Phil as a cameraman on that film, as I recall, I was actually the cameraman for that segment, which for some reason isn’t coming up on the youtube link. And as I also recall, Gasparetto could paint with his hands and feet.

      1. I’m going to have to concur with Mike on this one. I don’t see anything troubling about the events we’re going through as if we can paint a rosy picture and everything is ‘great’. After all, wouldn’t RTEB have a nice warning similar to the HP or 251?

        А Советский медведь на охоте.

  5. Michael, you must stop accusing everyone who disagrees with you as being crazy or psychotic. This is simply unacceptable, even in earthly terms. Anyone who questions you, you automatically attack. Why do you do such things? You know you personally can offer no proof of anything barring what Mr. Meier has stated. Why do you continually act as if you have some knowledge you know you lack?? I understahnd the imperative that exists, but you are only a simple Human with no special first hand knowledge of anything, other than what you’ve read, and possibly seen in part. Many people exist that surpass your knowing, yet you continue to peddle death and doubt. Who exactly are you talking to? You would claim that you address all of Humanity, but I doubt in some way that is your target audience. Many subjects that you raise are prime ground for the crazies to come in here and claim all kinds of things, and you seem to support it. I do not understand the logic behind what you do here. If you want to address a government body, then do so and then forward that correspondence to everyone else here so all can see what the responses were. You simply seem to seek the approval of your ‘regulars’ on a consistant basis. Who exactly are you addressing and what are you attempting to accomplish with this? You’re clearly smart enough to know that this blog will do nothing material in actaully changing the madness of this world, it’s simple logic. I sincerely hope you have not succumbed to mere belief and justify it as fact without sound logical thinking. I know the Meier case is for the most part true, but you still have almost zero evidence of the existence of these Humans and you know it, and the insistence that they do exist without proof reveals at least in part a revalation of belief, sorry to say. Look at the case from new eyes and you will see this this as well. I know it seems like I’m ‘harping’ on you but that is not my intention, but people must see more than your personal interpretations, regardless how accurate you may view them. Things are reaching a precibus and we must handle things with care. If all you can offer Humanity is what Mr. Meier says and some footage, you will garner no support in your efforts, although I wish it was that easy. I would think you would want to forward messages other than death and destruction, but these seem to be the mainstay of your topics.

    1. Obviously, based on your repetitive, non-specific rambling, you have very limited capacities that you continuously exhaust even before you come to try to comment on things about which you have no knowledge.

      As far as this goes “no special first hand knowledge of anything, other than what you’ve read, and possibly seen in part” please simply read my resume/bio for a partial background on me (http://www.theyfly.com/about-michael-horn). I haven’t yet updated it to include how I developed my forbearance for know-it-all fools but you do keep reminding me.

      Perhaps, if you can first figure out if you’re Tony, tony_dev, or tony_deb, etc., you’ll shed your anonymity and share with us all what qualifies you to speak on the life and experience of another person who you demonstrably know nothing about.

      Oh where is Delirious Don and his Space Cadets when we really need him?

      1. This is my gentle clean response – This babbling idiot must be Anthony, or his compadre. What a load of incorrect nonsensical gibberish. And feel free to attack me with your idiocy, it won’t affect me at all, and I’ll simply ignore your insanity.

      2. I just now realized how much of an egoic Human you truely are. It’s quite evident that the Plejaren have washed their hands of any handling of FIGU policy at this point, at least when it concerns you. You are incapable of accepting criticism without first lashing out at others in return. You are so accustomed to being attacked by naysayers, that you have lost the ability to see true concern and logical critique. I don’t give a damn about your resume, your resume is insignificant compared to what must be done. You are supposed to be a tool, a mechanism of sorts in distributing the truth, not a stage of self value. You are afraid of others’ interpretations if they do not resonate with your concepts of understanding, although at this point, I’m unsure whether this is actaully even genuine anymore. I know the Meier case is real, for the most part, but you talk as if you have some personal knowledge which you clearly do not have. I know you feel you must protect your ego, but this in the end will prove to be a mistake. You are in dire need of a simple lesson in humility. You are a reporter, not a knowledge bringer for you lack the simple perosnality trait of humility. Far more than you have truth in their hearts, yet they remain silent. You must revamp your approach when it concerns your fellow Humans if you wish to actually bring balance back.

        1. Okay, monkey brain, I will immodestly post this, which you can check out at http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_544:

          Billy:
          A small number of persons are trying really very hard to form a good FIGU group in the USA. So there are also really good people over there who try very hard. If I thereby think solely of Michael Horn, who has already worked for so many years for the teaching and the mission, he and his work cannot be highly enough appraised. Indeed, not all human beings need to be working in his tireless scope, because a lesser commitment is already very valuable, and such a one can be achieved by many in America. However, these correspond only to a minority, but if they engage themselves, then much can be achieved through them…

          Ptaah:
          There is nothing there with which to argue, because your words correspond to reality. This, however, changes nothing in our attitude. If, in relation to the human beings and the behaviour of the American people, something changes for the better, for good and right, then we will also change our opinion. But we are very pleased regarding the ongoing efforts for many years by Michael Horn, whereby he has provided extraordinary services, which are of inestimable value. While we also acknowledge the efforts of all those people in the USA who tried for decades to form a FIGU group and also made an effort in terms of learning the spiritual teaching; unfortunately they have not achieved the objectives they claimed they wanted to achieve.

          Now, in case you haven’t noticed it, this blog isn’t about me…though you try to make it about me. It is what I express and others express and comment on. If you wanted to do battle with me, for whatever reason, then coming to a battle of wits half-armed is a poor strategy on your part.

          So, since we are in ever-increasingly intense times wherein the exchange of ideas and the coalescing of like-minded people who retain their individuality is a worthwhile goal, unless you can actually add to that I see no reason to continue to give you rant space that has absolutely nothing to do with the actual topic of any of the blogs that you’ve chosen to infect with your dour, self-righteous blather.

          If you wish to criticize anyone’s opinions, points of view, etc., you’re welcome to do so. But I will no longer host your comments unless they are absolutely pertinent to, one more time, the topic at hand. Certainly you’ve had every opportunity to tell me what you think of me. Now get on with telling us what you actually think about the topics, if anything.

          1. I see. Now you have become both monitor and editor. Well, I suppose if Ptah gave you such wonderful ratings, I suppose I should too eh? You have lost your way and I for one will not be a party to it any longer. You have become angry and disillusioned and I am saddened by this. I hope one day you will see what I was trying to convey. Forgive me if I was hurtful, it was not my intent. Some things are never as they appear my friend, just remember that.

          2. We’re saying goodbye to Tony, at his request. He also is unclear about the fact that yes, this is my blog and I’m the moderator/monitor, otherwise every bit of spam, profanity, etc., that is submitted would also clutter it.

            I do very little editing, except on request. You weren’t “hurtful”, we’re not wimps here. You were simply off-topic, as well as pompous and self-righteous, over and over. If you ever choose to post something relevant to the topics, submit it and we’ll see if it makes it through this oh so tough editing process.

            However, this isn’t a discussion so anything else along these lines that is off-topic won’t see the light of day. I think we all know how you feel about me, how I do my job, etc., so you certainly haven’t been censored.

            Should there be an outpouring of support for your return to continue on your current path…I’ll go into another line of work.

  6. What are you talking about? Considering what is happening in our world, I will get more serious. Besides, I love being serious.

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