New skeptical attack again helps prove authenticity of Billy Meier’s prophetically accurate scientific information

For several months there have been allegations form certain people that Billy Meier falsified his information regarding the 5,100 year-old Iceman, as well as other things like the connection between the ozone damage and chemical and atomic radiation causes.

I’ve repeatedly not only rejected those attacks them but also stood firm in my determinations that Meier never backdated any information. Time and again I’ve challenged the accusers to explain the logic, the means, motive and opportunity by which Meier supposedly accomplished this alleged hoax. I’ve pointed out his known and proven good character, absolutely devoid of any proven dishonesty, lying, hoaxing, etc. I’ve also pointed out that someone whose physical evidence of extraterrestrial UFOs has now been independently authenticated several times, wouldn’t need to create a problematic body of allegedly false information.

What’s a Writetyper?

Nonetheless, such rebuttals and challenges were basically ignored, described as “irrelevant”, etc., mainly by young, inexperienced people who, in the digital age, may not even know what a…typewriter is, nor how critical to disproving their foolish attacks it could turn out to be.

Here’s an excerpt from an article that I posted ten years ago, quoting FIGU member Hans-Georg Lanzendorfer:

“Made more difficult yet is that Billy, in the year 1984 did not in any form or way have a computer at his disposal, because the PC plainly and simply entered his office for the first time in the year 2002. Billy had, however, up to the year 2002 diligently written the contact reports with a mechanical type writer and, despite the urgings of the group members, had long avoided using a computer. A falsification of the contact reports and the prophecies would also mean that he would have had to have prepared countless typed pages with gaps in the text to make the retrospective inclusions possible. In the case of a falsification he also would not have knowledge of which coming event to insert in which contact report, so it would not be possible for him to determine the free place for the insertion. Quite aside from this, it is generally known that by inserting (something) the text can be disrupted over several pages away. Falsifications or retrospective inclusions would therefore mean that, in the meanwhile, he must have had to have repeatedly, with his typewriter, copied uncountable, already available pages.”

And while Hans-Georg goes on to say more about it, we have learned that Meier didn’t get his first computer until…March 5, 2001, well after the initial Iceman transcript. Now since Andy, one of the accusers along with Mahesh, is studying  to be a lawyer, it appears that he doesn’t like to consider such pesky inconveniences as logic and MMO, i.e. means, motive and opportunity in determining the truth of such accusations, etc.

Practice makes Perfect

In keeping with the logical explanation about the known facts presented by Hans-Georg, and considering the serious difficulties Meier would have faced trying to backdate this particular contact, does Andy wish to state, unequivocally, that Meier falsified and backdated all of the Iceman information in Contact 238 and most likely also Contact 256, since the information about the bacteria picks up again there in reference to what was said in Contact 238?

Remember, Andy, we’re dealing with pieces of…paper here, not online pages. So the reality is that if Meier falsified the Iceman information, he’d most likely have to go back and redo most of the entire transcript– in each and every copy – which he’d also somehow have to acquire. While it’s easy to create a new page from almost any place in an online document, trying to change information from well within160 pieces of paper is a huge amount of trouble, even in one document.

I for one would find it quite interesting to watch Andy try to convincingly explain, and substantiate, what Meier’s motive would be to even attempt this bit of time-consuming trickery – and then, after all of the effort, to never draw attention to, or claim credit for, the information himself.

Just Methane Around

Regarding the bacteria that thrive in heat, the conditions in Meier’s information greatly exceed the temperatures at which these bacteria are so far known to survive. Even more interestingly, there’s information in this same contact about bacteria that thrive on…methane gas. Contact 256, from 1996, was originally translated and already online in 2006 – meaning that this “new discovery” from 2007 is actually just another corroboration of Meier’s prophetically accurate scientific information  that he published well prior to the “official discovery”.

Ironically, it seems that we may have Mahesh’s and Andy’s failed debunking attempt to thank for helping us find it.

Real Life

Are there little inconsistencies that occasionally occur and appear in the course of real life and very human events? Certainly and sometimes information* may even pop up some time later and satisfactorily, or not, explain the situation. But attributing low, dishonest motives to someone who has a record of good personal character and honesty, is far more indicative of the lack of those qualities on the part of the accusers, who’ve shown such a long, stubborn and determined investment in their cynicism and blind ambition.

It’s good to be able to recognize an honest person…it’s even better to become one.

 

*The following is an excerpt of information just received from Christian Frehner of FIGU. Each person should draw their own conclusions. However, those who wish to maintain that Meier was effectively falsifying information need to substantiate their claims, which includes credibly addressing all of the information above:

“In the original contact 238 of November 9, 1990, on page 2018 (original) the information about the arrows is missing, just as it is the case in SWZ 79/1 on page 60. And also the date is wrong in both “places”: 4105 years instead of 5105 years. In the SKB Nr. 13 there’s something astonishing to notice: In my edition on page 2539, the one that I scanned for you, there’s the correct year (5105 y.) and also the information about the arrows, but in the version that is published on Mahesh’s site, the arrow information is not included. It’s a mystery to me. Perhaps the book was printed two times. I don’t remember, and I don’t have the brown SKB anymore.

or

In the course of the production of the new PPKB Blocks, Ptaah, Florena or Enjana were correcting the old contact notes together with Billy and Bernadette, usually on Saturday afternoon each week, in order to correct as many transmission errors as possible (there were really mistakes in it due to the high-speed transmission). Therefore, in PPKB Block 6, on page 398, the ‘arrow information’ plus other minor corrections were applied to the text during that correction process.

Regarding the publishing date of the Iceman information I would agree with Elisabeth Moosbrugger that the WZ 79/1 and 79/2 were published in autum 1991 (certainly not before the Iceman was found), and possibly even at the time or a little bit after SWZ 80 was published. And what I’ve just noticed: Between WZ 79 and the trio 79/1+2 and 80, the font of the text in the SWZ has changed from typwriter style to computer style. Obviously at that time we had a reorganisation in our book-publishing office…Btw: In PP Block 13 there will be additional information on the Iceman. He and his father do not originate from the Lake Zurich region, but came up there from southern regions.”

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

138 comments on “Icing the Skeptics

  • Hey Michael , the skeptics know it’s true and real .. they get paid to debunk anything that doesn’t fit the agenda of the monsters that control Earth … keep fighting for us , Earth is at a tipping point , waiting , Henoch’s words are coming true every day … Sidebar , maybe just maybe you could visit Edward and get him on camera talking about the very near future … you know sort of a current coming events type of thing ?

    • Hi Barry,

      Yes, the true hardcore skeptics are very often in the service of other vested interests. I actually don’t think that’s the case with Andy. I’m going to be optimistic and say that there may well have been some contextual misunderstandings, etc. Of course I’ll also say that coming to fair determinations in such an evidence and information rich case such as this requires real, comprehensive thinking and not relying on quick, inaccurate criticisms that in themselves do reek of self-serving, profit of some sort, motivation. For that ultimately Mahesh will have to answer. Simply acting as an agent provocateur, stirring things up and hoping to benefit by the fallout and chaos that ill thought out claims and attacks produce are signs of incompetence, ineptitude and blind ambition.

      As far as any more information form Meier about the futures concerned, we won’t be getting it. I will take the liberty of quoting something that Mariann Uelhlinger said in response to requests for more predictions, which I think sum it all up precisely:

      “It is useless to spend the time looking for prophecies and predictions instead of learning the spiritual teaching and to use it for your life. If you and the others don’t know how to avoid the misery that will come, what profit do you have by knowing a prediction?”

      That certainly is pointing in the right direction. And speaking of points, those who wanted “make points” at the expense of the truth create their own lessons as well. We all make mistakes and the quicker we realize and at least admit them to ourselves, the quicker we can get on with the tasks at hand. Studying the spiritual teaching, and discussing it relation to our world, our topics here, etc., is a good way to go.

      • “It is useless to spend the time looking for prophecies and predictions instead of learning the spiritual teaching and to use it for your life. If you and the others don’t know how to avoid the misery that will come, what profit do you have by knowing a prediction?”

        Well Michael if there weren’t any people looking for prophecies I don’t think such a good advice as Mariann’s would’ve been forthcoming along with the spiritual lesson tucked in that context somewhere just as it is the case that if there weren’t any people interested in the Meier case pro or con there would never have been a controversy surrounding it.

    • Exactly Barry, It causes many problems for earth with these people. If we are going to develop something like civilization at some time in the future, these people, all of whom have received an education of international standard already (they already know basic things), are going to have to be sternly bumped into not saying anything at all unless its of value and valuable to their fellow human. All this talking for talkings sake causes utter confusion beyond what can be imagined, it places us all in a very dangerous situation. Put it this way, we would be better just handing those ‘after-the-fact’ fussing people a sack of money and telling them to be quiet, if all they are doing it for, creating this widespread confusion, is to feed their family. Those people keep their excitement ratings up as high as they can get them, creates hysteria joy in the face of things that we should be serious about, confusion in the face of real dangers and idiocy in the face of real things that otherwise would be easy to understand. They are doing an injustice to our descendants.

  • Hi everybody

    Michael Horn letting appear all the critical comments on this topic is, for me, a proof of his honesty.
    Now some facts:
    -ad Methanotrophic bacteria: look up wikipedia, references: I see it published in 1996
    -ad Iceman: I wrote a letter to Georg Lanzendorfer in december 2012, wherein I mentionned, that the mineral analysis of the teeth and bones concluded to the iceman’s origin in the “Eisacktal” (valley of the Eisack) in Southern Tyrolia, i.e. on the southern alpine slope. Lanzendorfer never felt the urge to respnd to my letter, but apparently now they (FIGU) are changing the Icemans origin from Lake of Zurich(northern alpine slope) to “more Southern”.
    – In the same CR “Ptaah” mentions a tribe called Wikinger (Vikings): before the Vikings colonized….. Now the Viking are a noirdic german tribe which, as far as I know, never colonized this region ( first celts, than also romans,than german Allemannen). Lanzendorfer never answered my inquiry.
    -Concerning the Unit 731 (WWII japanese biological warfare) and also neurological adverse effects of vasectomy as mentionned by “Ptaah” in a CR, were published scientifically long before the claimed contacts. Astonishingly, the FIGU apparently deleted “Ptaahs” comments on vasectomy on their website, as far as I can see. (Ptaahs comments was some days before the parition in the New York Times, but the original publication in a neurological paper was way prior to that).

    And please bear in mind, that as far as thinking is concerned, the thinking starts years before an eventual publication.

    • It looks like the dates pertaining to the methane eating bacteria date back even farther. But we still have a problem with MMO. It also appears that these documents are, again, highly rarified scientific information, which Meier wouldn’t have had any particular known reason to know then. But in order to rule out the bacteria as any kind of relevant information, his access to those scientific papers would also have to be established.

      An ongoing detective story to be sure.

    • You said “And please bear in mind, that as far as thinking is concerned, the thinking starts years before an eventual publication”.

      Well I did bear that in mind Andy and your logic has become all that more ridiculous.
      Now are you asking why Billy didn’t he read people’s minds!????
      Are you now going to accuse Billy by saying why didn’t he know about it before publication of those documents too???????
      Wow
      One more time
      Wow
      I didn’t think you were into David Copperfield or Chris Angel

      • Hi Matt
        Just for the sake of correctness and especiallv to avoid that another (Andy) is accused for a post thats not from him.

        I didnt mean mindreading but the eventual possibilities originating in the nature of thought and communication in space and time.
        factors which would also be implied in the coming about of some contact reports for example, wouldnt they.?

    • Take a look at creation evolution Terry, I mean first take a look at the 6 other forms of evolution, and then take a look at creation evolution. I am not going to write another essay, so look at that form of evolution and then you will get some idea of how things stabilise over time and you will then be able to answer your own question in the process of doing that.

  • Im wondering what anyones opinion is about this thing I have just discovered, to nip poverty in the bud. For a small group to independently go around the world destroying really large areas of resources in advance, as a way of, as I said, nipping future poverty in the bud, in advance. Nothing to price speculate over, the governments will be forced to then manage the smaller quantities of everything and people will then be forced to focus their attentions on localised issues, like the quality of the existing housing stock, the quality of their families and local injustices etc. What do you think? should we arrange a little elite group of future poverty busters and go around the world destroying in a managed way really large areas of natural resources, in anticipation for the earth humans locked in syndrome? Thanks for your opinions.

    • Well you’ll have poverty nipping you in the butt.
      Scarcity of resources will heighten competition and when those resources are needed for daily survival you’ll have violence as the only method that people will resort to in the name of self preservation.
      As FIGU, Billy and the Plejaren advocate ad nauseously if we reduce our overpopulation to a manageable size of even to 1 billion rather than 500 odd million they said we can achieve a sustainable living without severe scarcity, conflict, criminality, wars, environmental destruction and so on.
      Of course the less people on the planet means in all probability less pollution due to less economic activity, consumption and waste leading to a lesser worldwide problems.
      Sorry to crash your joke

      • Its not crashed the joke, its a rational answer. But what do you think about the specific I gave, about governments being forced to regulate and to bring our living into our means as a cause effect. The real joke part was that we could (if we were conscious enough) do that now, not in 300 years when we genuinely do have a problem. Thanks Matt,

  • I’ve been on a quest lately regarding alternative energy . And the field is poised to explode away from the extreme oppression . I came across some amazing writings by Nikola Tesla and his magnetism and resonance relationships . He got into talking of singularity and how we are awash in a sea of energy and much of his time was spent discerning how to harvest it . And he very well succeeded . In his papers he spoke of magnetic and resonant energy reach a point of neutral positive and of singularity . It relates to many applications regarding signal transmission engines and get this the human body . He theorized that the body has an electromagnetic component that could be controlled by the human , much like BEAM speaking of neutral positive thinking . Billy highly explains the process to attain this in a human and singularity . Tesla spoke of the way to harness energy is to find harmony in nature .The more you pull out the resistance to creation you become more powerful essentially and your positive thoughts effect the creation as we are a part of it and makes the creation or neutral positive stronger . He gets into the pyramids and the applications even in comparision to a supreme natural occurring shape a hectagon and he developed an 8 sided pyramid technology so to speak . So FIGU speaking of the neutral positive thinking and the energy of the human transmission and amplified reception of such via natural means in relation to the pineal gland and the inverted power that the FIGU Pyramid receives is simply amazing me right now .I am on the verge of envisioning the mechanics in my mind and clearly the Plejaran were influencing Tesla up to his death . Not long after his passing when Billy was old enough he was clearly the next subject . Its right their . Teslas visions and Billy taking it further just with psyche alone is the richest brain power I have ever found . I am so excited putting this all together . As I ramp up the understanding I will share it more its amazing . For me its like non stop confirmation understanding the brilliance of BEAM and how fortunate I was able to have found him helping me unlock the true human existence . The hardest part is recognizing all the evil players along the way . They shock me the most .

    • When you get to this point in your evolution then you no longer need proof of the authenticity of Billy Meier, you no longer care of dates of disclosures and certainly don’t go around wasting your time and other people’s as well in things that are marelly materialistic nonsense.

    • David Scott, these are great observations and lessons. I agree with Silvana and Ev. I have something else similar to talk with you about. I did some thorough investigations of my own David.

      I almost managed to work out that all the sciences have a positive and a negative, but I will write it below for you.

      Ultra fine force – evolution(s) all have a pos+ and neg- equivalent and psychology and spirit has positive and negative also. Mission itself is designed to avoid neg- charged evolution, theoretically.
      Fine force – – About human beings – read below.
      dark matterial – graviphotons and tachyons have negative charge too
      gravity – There is polarities
      strong force – A positive and negative, and a symmetrical spectrum too
      weak force – A positive and negative, and a symmetrical spectrum too
      electromagnetic spectrum – Everything above xray in frequency is ionised and negative lets say.

      About humans: what I really wanted to say was that basically humans ourselves and themselves basically do something that mirrors what is seen in nature, we are to some greater or lesser extent a force and a science in and of ourselves, and we are part of the universe after all. The male and female and the sexual act specifically we could call this a reaction process mechanism.

      So I want to talk about sex and intercourse with you for a moment, on this scientific level, and to talk about what is going on spiritually in this act. We know ofcourse that the skin and nerves produce various frictions which release pleasure chemicals in the brain, but what is occuring here on a spiritual level, and how does this interaction, mechanism of bonding relate to the specifics of spiritualism. Thanks for any answers questions opinions.

    • You see, when the opportunity comes to use your energy to point out Meier’s accuracy about the enormously significant BP disaster and Fukushima information (https://theyflyblog.com/2015/02/05/this-civilization-will-self-destruct-in/) self-serving parasites go for the inconsequential, in order to, as FIGU pointed out, try to draw people to them…at the expense of the mission. The mission, intended to reach and help all of humanity, even those whose country will probably lose 30 million people because someone who knows better seeks to…PROFIT for himself instead.

      As has been true in the past, as is still true and unfortunately may still be true in the future, those of parasitical mindsets, who are low in consciousness, will stop at nothing to try to kill the truth…even acquiring it for their private collections in the process.

      Why do you think that FIGU has contempt for such stupidity…noting the harm that it inevitably brings to the perpetrator themselves?

      • Well Michael you are preaching to the choir here but I sometimes wonder even if such a train of thought is bad why the delayed reaction of the laws of cause and effect helped also by human stupidity never seems to punish those who most need the lesson.
        Sure there is no guiding hand of God striking down people with thunderbolt as punishment for their wrongs but this current life anyway and most who live in it seems to be immune even from self punishment because they don’t recognise that they have done anything wrong.
        So all this talk about perpetrators bringing self harm from the wrongs they have committed often feels like wishful thinking due to no punishment being visible.
        Obviously it pertains more to the unseen spirit where this punishment is concerned but frankly I am sick of that line from having experienced on too many occasions where the wrongdoers are rewarded in perpetuity.
        Its shortsighted view I know but it does feel that way

      • You are right in what you say Michael, and I honourably stand with you united in the study of truthful things of many kind.

        The higher state of consciousness that semjase explained once that some small number of earth humans will reach on some level or another, is linked heavily into not acknowledgements but acceptances. We are welcome to accept that day by day the world will shift unlike any other world we may have experienced for a long time, and this is linked into trends, popular culture and the rapid rate of evolution combined with the shear volume of human, and their scattish thoughts. That given this and this acceptance that we will inevitably be forced to (us and our kind) move in all manner of strange and complicated currents and all over the world. Which will confuse inevitably, we are bound to confusion and that is another acceptance, and this is why, the crux of why, Billy has lead his life in the way he has, as a method of indirectly helping us and our kind of earth human, as an example of a method of finding and facilitating stability on this otherwise and forever changing and confusing world, that ceaselessly produces humans which as I said before, are bound and in bondage to confusion, for atleast the first stretch of their lives, unless they have very strong mentors and teachers (which is very rare). – Anyway, this is what I take it to mean, and I accept the parameters of the path before me. Thank you for what you do to help people.

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