It’s just like in the movies, so what’s the problem?
If an advanced, space-traveling race were to try to warn us of a real, impending danger to our world and to do so without directly interfering in it, how might they go about it?
Just like in the movies, might they take a very calculated approach and insert just enough information – and controversy – into our awareness so as to prompt at least a few thinking people to pay attention and delve into it?
In the movies there’s usually some kind of a cryptic message, mathematical formula, or (only in the movies) a radio signal. And some intrepid person, scientist or otherwise (think Richard Dreyfuss) gets about the task of unscrambling or deciphering the message that will ultimately reveal to humanity that…we are not alone.
So why can’t real life be just like the movies to the extent that scientists involved in the search for extraterrestrial life would display at least as much curiosity and interest in following up on any such evidence. But what even remotely comparable evidence is there, one might ask?
Well we’ve been publishing the evidence and information in the Meier case for years, as well as sending it to any and all scientists, journalists, publications, news outlets, forums, etc., as we can. While there are some courageous, highly credible scientific experts who’ve analyzed, corroborated and authenticated it, the mainstream…everything has remained comfortably non-responsive. But at what cost to all of us?
The Red Meteor aka Asteroid Apophis
One specific example is the information from Meier and the Pleajren about what they called the Red Meteor, aka asteroid Apophis. Starting in 1981, they warned about this object coming towards Earth and the need for our scientists to come together to deflect it from it’s trajectory.
Naturally, the know-it-alls were dismissive of the information, citing the always infallible NASA to reassure us that Apophis was really nothing to worry about. Sure, NASA changed its estimate of the actual size of Apophis to within 25 meters of what Meier published but…so what? After all, we’re Americans and Americans are always right, right?
However, it actually does appear that Meier’s warnings have been pursued, though not by US scientists, only those “nobodies” in Russia and China. While our scientists are busy creating various “initiatives” and other public relations exercises, the Chinese and Russians have gone about the business of planning to deflect asteroid Apophis, as specifically recommended by the Plejaren.
Saving Face or Saving Lives?
The unspoken truth is that none of the mainstream scientists and organizations in the US actually expect to “discover” extraterrestrial life for a long time. There’s an underlying belief that it’s not “supposed to happen yet”.
Let’s take a moment to put things in perspective. Remember that all of the scientists of today, including at NASA, SETI, etc., were in the past just…students, sitting in college classrooms like today’s aspiring scientists are. Far from being any kind of all-knowing gods then either, they too were working hard to get their degrees, pursue higher learning and, in too many cases, also a falsely elevated status, celebrity standing, fame and fortune, etc. After all, it’s the…American way (and now in a few other places as well). Such self-seeking and profit motivated agendas do nothing good for humanity but I’m not so naïve as to think that it’s going to stop anytime soon, despite the great cost to our collective wellbeing.
So now that certain scientists have attained their long sought, expensively pursued positions and status, far, far too many of them are more concerned with not rocking the boat (read: loss of funding, tenure, so-called credibility, etc.). So there they sit, silently refusing to acknowledge, let alone comment on such matters as the voluminous, authenticated, corroborated evidence and information in the Meier case…even if it means that an asteroid actually will slam into the Earth. One might think that it’s their way of saying that they’d rather die than face the embarrassment of finding what they say they’re looking for. Maybe more correctly, they’d rather that other people die than risk their own vested interests.
People, make no mistake about it, this is exactly the kind of world we live in. This is exactly the to-be-expected result of the ever-increasing greedy selfishness, lack of self-honesty and integrity that has supplanted all such previously exalted human values. Unlike their on-screen counterparts, these scientists would rather…not be the ones who will forever be associated with the most important discovery in human history, the existence of extraterrestrial life – and its outreach to help humanity assure its own future survival.
Paint It Red
We speculated on the possible connection between the Red Meteor and the Torino Scale. In yet another interesting twist on the “red” component, Jeff Tan posted this information on our blog about how the “older rocks tend to be reddish (emphasis added) in these observations”:
“To know for certain whether this happens, astronomers will need to observe Apophis during its 2029 pass. Scientists age asteroids by surveying infrared light; older, weathered rocks tend to appear more reddish in these observations. If a high-quality spectrum can be obtained during the approach, it should be possible to compare the color of Apophis before and after its flyby, Bottke says. “When [Apophis] makes its pass, we’ll get to run the experiment. Whether it’s all solved or not we’ll have to find out.”
As Chris Lock also pointed out:
As to why NASA’s trajectory of Apophis is wrong: Apophis seems capable of landslides. These and chnages to its orbit as it approaches “the keyhole” on its flyby of Earth in 2029 could very likely result in a changed trajectory bringing it THEN onto a collision course with Earth. It is not made of ice so we are not looking at dissolved parts. It could be this is why Ptaah mentioned that Earth scientists need to be doing something asap as presumably after the flyby will be too late…Meier isn’t just predicting a meteor will “someday” hit the Earth: He is predicting its size, approximate date of arrival, specific point of impact, and resultant effects. Just a few important details you omitted. The US experiences hundreds of tornados a year. SInce when has the earth experienced hundreds of meteors a year?
Matthew Knight’s reasoning also bears consideration:
Quetzal: “Earth humanity should listen to your words and warnings, but that especially they do not do.”
In CR 150, Billy and Quetzal state, as facts, that “humanity” will, not only, learn the identity of red meteor in the future (or what is the point of the warning?), but, they will receive further “words and warnings” (plural). One “red meteor” warning from this 1981 conversation would not constitute adequate warning that “humanity” “should” or could do anything about – even if they ultimately decide to “do not do” anything. So far, all the predictions, both, implied and stated, in that 1981 contact report, have come true!
Meier had an impossibly small window of time for scientists to identify a suitable NEO from 1981, that will pass close enough to Earth to be recognised as any kind of threat. Again, the identification of a suitable NEO would have to come before Meier’s death. After then, Billy would not be able to confirm any findings from astronomers, or, put flesh on the bones of Quetzal’s original warning so that it makes sense and becomes a set of “warnings” that mankind can “listen to”. Also, this NEO would have to be passing earth before the time that we are able to defend against all NEOs with future space technologies, say, in the year 2050 (according to timeframes of current NEO space projects). Therefore, in 1981, Meier’s window for this prediction to come true was 1981 – circa 2050.
In 1991, the earliest known publication date, no known NEOs were expected to come close to Earth. Even though Apophis was spotted 13 years later and was initially a high-risk threat, no NEOs since are expected to threaten earth before 2050. Everything Billy and Quetzal discussed in 1981 about the “future” time – where mankind knows about this meteor and can do something about it – has been proven to be true. Why, then, doubt Billy’s accuracy about the remainder of that prediction if impossible odds were involved? Meier’s warning has been explicit and consistent since 1981 whilst astronomers have disagreed about the size of the object, even following Ptaah’s estimate of 350 metres in CR 475. Scientists have also been unable to agree how close Apophis will pass to the Earth and the changing calculations continue whilst the Plejaren have said the same thing since 1981.
What we have above is certainly “speculative” but one would say that it’s every bit as good, thoughtful and compelling as anything from a science fiction movie, especially when one actually does examine Meier’s record of voluminous, accurate scientific information. Of course our distinguished scientists are not yet deigning to comment about Meier’s warnings – certainly none have yet attempted to refute or, equally telling, debunk it.
So will the “kids” who sat in those classrooms years ago, who now have academic positions and initials after their names, etc., end up being shown up by “ordinary” people who’ve taken the self-responsibility to try to make a difference in the world, who aren’t so concerned about loss of face as they are abut loss of lives, will they…grow up, show up and do their jobs and maybe then get their sought after book and movie deals, reality show, or whatever else they really lust after?
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Jeff Tan’s theory sounds to me very plausible. I don’t think the PJ talk in code too much and usually speak it as it is. So saying that’s its a red meteor sounds like it is what they are saying it is. RED.
But as mentioned earlier. By the time we can coroberate this fact on its passing the time may be too late for a deflection.
I read an article very recently on RT that NASA are working on a deflections and just got approved for this budget to do so.
They are try to capture and known rock 3 meter s in size orbiting earth and direct it to the moon.
I’m going to try and fish this article out.
Here is the article a read. I may have had a few things wrong from my recollection of reading the article. Interesting none the less.
The plans where spearheaded apparently after Apophis buzzed by earth.
“The mission proposal was drawn up in 2013, after a 300-meter asteroid named Apophis buzzed the Earth at a distance of 14 million km”
They have already calculated the real dangers but have yet to scare the shit out of the world. I mean tell us the truth
Sorry. Here is the article. http://rt.com/usa/255833-nasa-armageddon-asteroid-mission/
Very good article. At least some well known people are willing to talk about it! I find it less frightening know, knowing that other nations, other that the America itself, are somehow aware of the situation and might even be working on this important issue… It should not be a secret for anyone. All the Earth, not only the area of impact, is in great danger, and all the people and scientists should somehow find a way to work together, I think, in order to succesfully prevent such a destructive event to happen as it was “predicted” and as we should know be able to predict it ourself with all those smart phones and smart computer at our disposal, it should not be about speculation.
I just cannot see how we can globally succeed at this if we maintain at the same time war attitude, greed, competition, profit oriented corporation, secretive agenda etc… I see this situation, as something that should really be done in cooperation for the good of all and that should eventually rally everyone and involve the whole world and all it’s nations and it would really be, then, something easy to accomplish. But unfortunately I also can apprehend that some nations might unfortunately try to play the heros here, whit this situation, just like they did with the race to the moon or in similar scenarios. I fear and have the bad feeling that some idividual, greedy nations might just eventually give us the illusion of a “succesfull mission” while, in reality, even more destruction will have be done or might take place in order to selfishly “save the whole world” from this real and imminent threat.
Like it is malisciously portrayed in the movies, an improbable alien invasion that makes all the people of the world bound together… lol. Well I think we have something real to care about here… this bloke of rock of 350 meter should, in reality, have the same kind of “impact” on the world populations because it directly treaten everyone, because it will eventually hit the Earth in about 20 years or so… if we do nothing about it.
Thank You,
Maxime
Your either asking for an equitable resource distribution dictatorship or a wealth based happy philanthropist giving model. Where ever its calculated due to hit, that particular nation will then have to divert a small percentage of its budget, probably from its military, science, emergency budget, to pay a cohort of scientists from all nations to come together, assuming its destined to strike a city. If its not destined to strike a city, it may be judged to be too financially unreasonable an investment given its projected financial losses of a given area. However, media advertising revenue and national political-might may gain a boost from the international co-operation, so the accountants and financiers may be able to justify the spending required to deflect the asteroid. The alternative being to keep the entire knowing secretive as a way of avoid any public spending at all.
Got an idea MH. All those so-called UFO movies that were made in Hollywood? Why not make a movie about the Red Meteor Apothis so we can get the message across to the movie going public that sooner or later this will get congress,NASA, the scientific community and general public to start to think about how we can best reduce the chances of getting hit by Apothis on April 29th 2029.
If people really knew to what degree they were really on their own, they would not cope well at all. People here have no idea how on their own they are. This changes nothing. Do not expect anything in the way of change, it will not occur. Statistically speaking, we will kill off large portions of the planet far before this. Sorry, try to enjoy it if ya can. Sometimes you’re just in the wrong place at the wrong time. Grab what ever it is that is meaningful to you now. We’re not ready yet, even now.
Apophis is just the red cherry on top to top it all off and then some more meteors will follow because there is a bread crumb trail of meteors and comets.
You cannot answer the question without understanding the specific directives that any ET’s follow. What is the difference between direct and indirect influence? What criteria is this determination based on? There are many things about the Meier case that do not make sense to me. For example, in regards to overpopulation, it seems that those ideas should be delivered to those nations with greatly expanding indiginous populations. These nations are what many would call “developing nations”. Yet, the material, through it’s chosen medium and cost, seems to be aimed at the so called “developed world”. It is odd, to me, that information needed by one part of the population is delivered to the other half – especially when most in the developed world are largely apathetic. If we apply this line of thought to the question posed, “how might they warn us?”, then the logical answer would be “according to specific directives and criteria that we do not understand”, or, that “they have – but the intended targets of the warnings are not the scientists mentioned.”
As dubhaltagh said below, it’s doubtful that the Plejaren speak in code; we’ve speculated nonetheless about the Torino scale.
As for the overpopulation info, most of the critically important information is freely available. It’s also sent to people in many, many countries. My site and blog each have visitors from over 150 countries. Self-responsibility is the real name of the game. Why are people who clearly can’t support themselves and family STILL overbreeding?
So we also hammer away at one of the main causes, delusional religions. Feel free to disseminate and all info, links to sites, etc. It’s NOT up to “someone else”, it’s up to those of us who recognize the problems.
I don’t know about that, Michael. The space cousins keep secrets, or communicate in a way that can mislead. It shouldn’t be held against them, of course, since they are trying to achieve something in a certain way. Their methods are their business.
I was thinking about it after posting, and am beginning to think that the main difference between terrestrials and the PJ’s that leads to enormous frustration is that terrestrials think in a short term (single lifetime) outcome based manner, while the PJ’s think longer term, in a process based way. That is to say, the manner in which things come about is as important to the PJ’s as the outcome itself.
To illustrate, I would think that if the people posting on this forum were offered a magic wand that would brainwash the whole planet into following creational truths so as to create an excellent world, that being a very good outcome, that most of us would use the wand immediately. The PJ’s, on the other hand, would probably put the wand in a drawer somewhere and tell us to use reason and free will to do the same thing over the course of a couple thousand years as part of a proper evolutionary process.
To answer the question of why poor people overbreed (although the discussion doesn’t really belong here – sorry MH), I have often thought that a seldom articulated factor is that, in poor nations where there are no pension funds and where life is pretty miserable, that children provide for the elderly whilst enriching the (perceived) life of the parents. Would it therefore be reasonable to say that, while unsustainable populations are a severe problem, that the roots of that problem are the unequal social and economic systems that we have? The way Meier explains things, the cause of the problems on Earth (including a poor standard of life) is the high population. Might the solution paradoxically be the other way around – in fixing the standard of life first, that the population will go to where it should be. It probably doesn’t matter either way – there are too many crazy people for either solution to manifest.
Interesting perspectives you have George, I’m inclined to agree with you largely. The dominate factor attached to most things we discuss here is inevitably fear based, whether we wish to assign that label or not is entirely up to us. Nonetheless, it is what it is. The question is finally, what are we striving to achieve and in the end how important is it really? People tend to miss all the subtle variations in life and close themselves off to one set of ideas without ever having known if that which they hold onto so aggressively will actually bear them any fruit and in the end one is often left with the feeling that much of the struggle is pointless, at least to some degree. How will you know you’ve achieved this masterful state of being and who is to be judge? I have a feeling that it may be entirely beside the point what the “PJ’s” or Billy may think. It’s what “WE” think and how we discover that which may seem unattainable. It is often almost biblical in nature how all the horribleness is pending for us and us alone. This is in the course of time pure nonsense. Predictions aside, the Human being requires no Guru or savior in the end, simply time and movement. We just happen to be positioned in a place of seeming stillness. All we can do is what we can do.
That sums it up fairly well, forto. Fear and ignorance are the root causes of almost everything that ails us.
The horrible part of life on planet Earth is that most outcomes depend on majority opinion, which means that even if you are in the sensible minority, you are going to suffer anyway.
There is, according to cause and effect, likely very little that you can do about the overall outcome. The only rational thing to do, therefore, is to say “here in my little corner of the world, I am going to live in a decent, sensible way, and if I have any extra capacity or energy, I will extend my reach as far as is reasonable, to try and influence others towards the good. The chances of my making this place better in one fell swoop, however, is very low, because centuries of cause and effect is unfolding with a momentum that I cannot stop quickly. Perhaps, after a few generations of determined decency, a better pattern will result. That is what evolution really is – things playing out as they inevitably must, one cause and effect at a time.”
Thus, my choice is to settle in, not get too upset, and frequently laugh at the mad majority.
By the way, interesting thought of the day: If Hitler had won WW2, we would likely all speak German, and be able to read the contact notes. Ha! 🙂
Interesting, George………….This morning I was thinking the exact same thing
hahaha George, being able to speak German would be great!
I believe this was answered by the PJ. When asked why pick america by Billy. The PJ said something along the lines of but dont quote me. They are the nost advanced and receptive to the notion of ET.
Maybe the western countries are a little more evolved in thinking. That’s surely debatable. But I think it went something like that.
So there must of been some sort of calculation and a lot of involved but needless to say it appears any thought of the west implementing a conpulsery birth stop looks likes its out of the question.
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Here is another idea MH.Why not try UN and send them all the info on Apothis. Maby the UN delegates might try to do something say get all the UN members to contribute and donate money and resources etc to try to put funds into satelites etc to deflect the red meteor out and away from Earth before it gets here in April 2029.
All great ideas, Terry. But honestly, I’m a bit overtaxed as it is. If people here want to talk about how to do that I’ll help.
Although your suggestion is logical, it plays no role in our existence. People do not truly seek problem resolution as much as they seek continuation of hiding from themselves and each other, while at the same time claiming to be in union with one another. This “union” is portrayed in a way that involves your worth as a Human being equated with your monetary value and which group you align yourself with. If you think it through, you cannot in any way change this paradigm alone. One must either flow with it but just slightly along side of it, or completely indulge within the reality in which has been created for you. Either way, the realization is always the awareness of polarity in which you are a part. What may happen after is what causes us pause or Joy everlasting. It requires time. Panic will change nothing other than speed our course towards the Sun.
Instead of just continuing to nay say, try coming up with positive suggestions and/or join those who are at least working towards them.
To do as you said, what I think is sensible is to use people’s weaknesses to your advantage. Most of the people at the UN (or wherever) crave social validation/glory.
If you contact the scientist directly, and allow them to present the information as their idea (so as to get all the credit), then they might actually do something sensible. Large organizations tend not to take information seriously unless it comes from someone, or from another large organization, seen as being “credible”.
It is absurd, but it is in line with my experience with politicians/professors etc.
Actually I’ve reached out to tons of them, and again in this:
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/seti-sent-evidence-of-et-contact-by-they-fly-productions-300077115.html?tc=eml_cleartime
It’s a good idea and your participation is welcomed.
Hi Terry, from I have learnt the next fly by will be on April 13th 2029. During its next transit the Asteroid/Comet will be flying beneath the Satellites in orbit within* 35000km and potentially brushing the Earths outer atmosphere. This combined with the Earth’s gravity and the effect on the object will cause small landslides and the potential of Earth’s outer atmosphere may play a role in changing its trajectory. In 2029 this will be the first comet/asteroid with the potential to cause massive damage to the planet will be observable which has definitely made Russia and China nervous to do something about it (because it may land in their backyards).
http://phys.org/news/2014-10-asteroid-apophis-landslides-earth.html
MH: “Just like in the movies, might they take a very calculated approach and insert just enough information – and controversy – into our awareness so as to prompt at least a few thinking people to pay attention and delve into it?”
Why do you think they’d carefully plant just enough evidence to cause controversy rather than provide a huge load of irrefutable proof if they truly felt like it was vital to help us?
Because it’s all OUR responsibility and spoon feeding us in an obvious way would only further encourage our dependence on outside forces.
So it’s better to let us die than “encourage our dependence on foreign forces”?
The argument is very similar to the explanation Christians give about why God doesn’t interfere more directly to prevent evil. He wants to provide enough information to believe in Him if we choose, but not so much that we don’t have a choice.
Moshe, to earn* our place in the Cosmos don’t you agree as a civilization we need to be able to learn and solve our own problems first before seeking “divine intervention”? I do not believe an advanced ET race would want to take the glory away from us when we are capable of doing it ourselves.
I can’t help but to wonder what the big deal is with the P’s not just blasting the dang thing out of existence. I know its against their prime directive and the laws of creation to not interfere but wouldn’t us altering it by either destroying it or changing its path also be against the same laws of creation as it would be for the P’s. Its frustrating to see that even off Earth things are complicated and seem foolish when it involves something as mundane as a rock flying through space. I realize if it hits Earth then thats not so mundane. I just dont get why its has to be so complicated. Is it just human nature to complicate life ? The P’s are human too. Perhaps they haven’t evolved passed that flaw either. If they have the techno to change its path or destroy it then what the fudge ! just do it. Git er done and lets go have a barbecue together. Didn’t they do it to the Destroyer planet ?
Again, it’s OUR responsibility. We still haven’t learned and would only fall back into our slumber.
David if you read more of the Meier contact reports you will get your answer because I read the Meier material and I know the answers to your comment.
Why do you not just tell him the answer then, Darcy? Or, narrow it down from the thousands of pages?
Why it’s better if we read it for ourselves, I would ruin his surprise.
🙂
I have been reading them. I do understand the reasoning. But I will say some of it is contradicting. Example. That chain reaction bomb they stopped. They prevented that from happening. That asteroid could destroy our entire planet as could the chain reaction bomb. So why stop one planet destroying scenario and not another ? Thats what I dont understand. Im sure im don’t stand alone in this thinking. Thank you for your input everyone.
Hello David, It is my understanding that the Destroyer Comet was put on its trajectory as a direct result of inappropriate action by a race of beings from outside of our galaxy, and therefore it did not interfere with the directives, whereas the Apophis Asteroid was not altered by outside influence, hence it being our responsibility. Hope this helps.
Only recently I’ve come to conclude, the ‘apathy’ we seem to experience really IS exactly as MH outlines in this particular blog = willful obstruction to change by those in comfortable positions of power. And these who are so comfortable, WON’T let go of what works FOR THEM. Therefore/ergo, the only true change WILL come about as the present system disintegrates…
“So will the “kids” who sat in those classrooms years ago, who now have academic positions and initials after their names, etc., end up being shown up by “ordinary” people who’ve taken the self-responsibility to try to make a difference in the world, who aren’t so concerned about loss of face as they are abut loss of lives, will they…grow up, show up and do their jobs -”
= exactly!! The kids of today are increasingly finding it hard to sit in any classrooms of good education as good education (of the sort u & I enjoyed, for example) in the USA is becoming a luxury fewer & fewer families can afford; this division of education & wealth whilst disturbing, will have an upside – as intelligent people are innerly driven to self-inform & unlike in the past DO have access to self-educate like never before historically possible, i.e. through both libraries & the internet. So the result is an increasing population of self-educated people who will start to find ways to take power positions in an increasingly shifting society. Standardised qualifications will start to erode. This (again) will be detrimental but also in some cases beneficial, resulting in a break-down of the present status quo & opening doors to people less invested in protecting what they’ve got as part of their privileged small circle and more invested in honest discourse and facts – because they’ve had to take the initiative to self-inform, which changes a person (usually) irrevocably, i.e. once a person has learned to think for themselves, they’re LESS likely to take another authority’s thought-process on board unquestioningly…especially if the Rewards for doing that, are missing!
In Britain this process happened after WW2 & successfully broke down British society as-had-been for several centuries, leading hardly to Utopian UK 2day(?!) BUT to a much less entrenched society overall or over a broader swathe of a better-educated population than is that of the USA today. Just as racism is breaking down in the West because kids don’t ‘see’ colour or cultural barriers in the same way as we ‘middle-aged oldies'(?) did or do, & are inter-relating, marrying & co-creating without the same sort of headtrips, so it goes with education also.
Just as it’s possible to successfully nurse someone without being an R.N., it’s not however possible to work in an organised medical structure (e.g. hospital) unless u are. But the results for some sick people could be comeasurate. Personally I still don’t like the idea of going into heart surgery with a surgeon who has not passed the standardised tests BUT I also recognise that it’s possible that some psychic surgeons (such as are widely reported practising in the Phillipines & Brazil & India) may possibly do as good or even better a job. It just depends on my particular condition (If I had one… I just don’t like being a guinea pig!). But I recognise increasingly a lot of people simply don’t have a choice anyway & are in fact served well by the unqualified (but EXPERIENCED). So it goes also with the scientific community. Obviously the famous ‘astronaut farmer’ failed due to his lack of infrastructure & support team in his particular aims & ambitions, which DO or would have required an appropriate support structure to succeed – but anyone with the passion & drive to do it CAN train themselves in astronomy with the aid of a good telescope & access to appropriate literature. Some new asteroids & comets have indeed been ‘discovered’ by so-called amateurs just ardently observing the night sky!
SO in summary, I see some hope here but I also see that you & I will have to wait out some laborious dismantling of the present system over still quite some time, first…!!!
MH: “Of course our distinguished scientists are not yet deigning to comment about Meier’s warnings – certainly none have yet attempted to refute or, equally telling, debunk it.”
Scientists have thoroughly refuted Meier’s Apophis warnings. They used mathematics, advanced computers and decades of experience in astronomy. What does Meier have? Vague general comments (followed years later by descriptive information gathered from the press) and speculation from an amateur astronomer (I think) that landslides will cause Apophis’ trajectory to change. It seems clear who is more likely to be correct.
If it makes sense to spend resources on deflecting space objects rather than address other social issues, fine, but don’t do it because of Meier’s Apophis warning.
I guess you just don’t pay attention…or think.
I’ve generally tried to avoid mentioning that Michael makes money off of people believing the Meier case because it’s such an easy, cheap shot. Just because someone makes money off an argument doesn’t make the argument untrue.
But it’s hard to resist when MH has an ad for two books costing $126 immediately after accusing others of greed and lack of self-honesty in their professions.
I don’t think MH is greedy. He could probably make a lot more money doing other things. But so could most astronomers teaching at universities.
Meier? He’s probably making more money off this than anything else he’s capable of doing.
Good gosh, it’s…Andy junior.
Obviously you’re someone who has VERY little knowledge of…many things, including the cost of high quality books published by foreign publishers. No further explanation on that but I’ll include my resume below…be sure to post yours and we’ll see who’s – demonstrably – “capable” of what:
(active links are here: http://theyfly.com/about-michael-horn-0)
Michael’s very eclectic background includes:
award-winning film director
award-winning film producer
award-winning film writer
prize-winning painter
designer/creator of the still popular fashion fad “fingernail art” (featured in Harper’s Bazaar magazine)
award-winning songwriter
one of the first creators of digital online book publishing (ebooks)
music and video producer
science researcher
national and international lecturer
frequent media guest
published writer
credentialed teacher
humorist
pioneer in commercial water purification applications (Starbucks)
set designer
health care professional
creator of the Future Self interactive therapeutic video technique
volunteer work with children and seniors
Michael is the creator of the Standing In Spirit stress relief program (which Michael was invited to teach to corporate and government leaders in Europe,such as BASF, Eurochemie, Rabobank, KLM, Cyco Software, ING Bank, Meta Visie, by a consultant to Princess Diana), creator/teacher of the Sit & Get Fit regenerative movement videotapes and program for seniors, as well as for personnel at U.S. corporations like Xerox and Candle.
Michael has been featured in two issues of the international martial arts magazine INSIDE KUNG FU demonstrating advanced strength and flexibility Chi Gong exercises and has articles published in Nexus, Mystic Pop, UFO and Veritas magazines. Additionally, he teaches movement classes and has also created and taught a self-defense course for women for the City of Los Angeles Commission on the Status of Women. “More Than Just Survival”, Michael Horn’s song CD of all original songs, has been released featuring the single “Forgive Yourself”.
“Breaking the Silence” is the new, award-winning, documentary about five courageous young women that Michael and his daughter produced. Michael also wrote the song for the film, “I’ll Be My Own Hero”.
Sorry for the confusion. I said you could make more money doing something else. The final sentence regarded Meier.
P.S. Just copy and paste your info, it shouldn’t be that hard. Let’s see what you’re capable of and what you’ve already…ACCOMPLISHED.
Michael,
I have to laugh when people suggest that you, or especially Billy, are getting rich off the proceeds of book and CD sales. As if Billy could give a fly about money (HA!) I used to work in the book printing business and I know from experience that a high quality, large format, hard bound volume like “The Goblet of Truth” does not come cheap. Add to that shipping costs etc. I just ordered the Goblet to be shipped to Thailand and the total cost was $88.00 USD. I’m on a fixed income but I didn’t bat an eye about dropping the cash on something as valuable as the “Goblet” which will serve me as a guide and inspiration for my lifetime. Keep up the great work Michael, and don’t let the Moshe’s get to you!