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Physicist Stanton Friedman To Investigate Billy Meier UFO Case

From conflict to communication, a new step is taken in pursuit of the truth

A scheduled two-hour debate regarding the Billy Meier UFO case, between nuclear physicist and UFO researcher Stanton Friedman and Michael Horn, appeared to transform into a conversation wherein Friedman, an expressed opponent of the Meier case, agreed to participate in an actual investigation of the evidence that he admitted being unfamiliar with.

Learning also that his own concern for future generations (including his own grandchildren) is addressed in Meierโ€™s specific warnings about, and recommendations regarding how to overcome the dangers humanity faces on numerous from the environmental destruction to wars and terrorism, resulted in Friedmanโ€™s announcing that he would welcome a cooperative approach to evaluating the Meier case, which Horn has long referred to as the โ€œkey to our future survivalโ€.

Hopefully, because Friedman is both a scientist and a UFO researcher, other parties, such as SETI, MUFON, etc., will also wish to participate in the investigation.

Additional information on Stanton Friedman’s credentials from Billy Wilson:

Friedman was employed for 14 years as a nuclear physicist for such companies as General Electric (1956โ€“1959), Aerojet General Nucleonics (1959โ€“1963), General Motors (1963โ€“1966), Westinghouse (1966โ€“1968), TRW Systems (1969โ€“1970), and McDonnell Douglas, where he worked on advanced, classified programs on nuclear aircraft, fission and fusion rockets, and compact nuclear power plants for space applications.[2] Since the 1980s, he has done related consultant work in the radon-detection industry. Friedman’s professional affiliations have included the American Nuclear Society, the American Physical Society, the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics, and AFTRA

This paper goes into great detail about Friedman’s data.

The show will be rebroadcast Saturday, October 3, here.

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Sheila Clark

If memory serves correct there was a reason why Wendelle tried to put off Stanton. I think it had a lot to do with the case not being tainted by the Mufon crowd. Or maybe the Plejaren knew that Stanton had to mature enough to be able to handle the truth. Either way I’m glad he’s willing to investigate it.
If Stanton is concerned about all the negativity on the Mufon blog lately well sometimes it takes negatively to get the Mufon tards moving in the right direction.

Mark Gilbo

Kind of a catch 22 on this one. I believe guys like Friedman have really been nutrilized over the last 5 years and bringing them to the forefront to me is a waste of time, especially as the world tinkers with Billy’s prophecies. Must be Friedmans books sales are lagging or he’s no longer being paid to debunk truth. Of course, that’s my opinion.

matt lee

Ok enough of the criticism.
Let bygones be bygones and move on shall we.
It’s a positive step in the right direction that although it is belated and far overdue nonetheless Mr Stanton Friedman is presently interested and taking upon himself to learn more which is what we all want our fellow human beings to do eventually whoever they are whatever they are.
Some people will take longer to get there than others.
We could’ve been one of them.
We were also one of the ignorant ones at one point in time.
Just because we think that we have recognised the truth and saw it for what it is doesn’t make us any more special than any other person it’s only the beginning of the struggle and the long journey which will end after our present incarnation.
There are no guarantees that we will take up the truth in our next incarnation.
Who knows we may be one of the ignorant ones once again like the rest of the majority of people throughout the 5 to 7 incarnation it will take us to that golden 800 years.
I hope Mr Bruce Macabee also jumps on board after Friedman has set the precedents.
The whole point of all this isn’t about fighting the bad fight which is fighting against our fellow human beings but fighting against ignorance and prejudices which is the real fight along with our inner struggles and conscious striving towards transformation in line with the Creational spiritual truths.
So let’s instead compliment Mr Friedman for his positive change in the right direction.

Carolyn Snyder

Maybe meeting the FIGU guys at the Brantford Cosmic Expo had some small effect on his point of view regarding the Meier case? Or maybe yours truly M.H. had some influence in this respect?

George Compton

Well, I did send Mr. Friedman an e-mail ( as suggested ) just to say thank you and that i look fwd to his opinion in this matter. I stumbled across Billy about three years ago, I remember thinking to my self ” Who is this crazy old guy”. I have not been able to let it go. It all makes entirely to much sense ( Not to mention all the evidence) to just simply dismiss as being hog wash. This case has changed everything for me, my way of thinking, the things i value, the way i see people and interact with them. I am great-full for Billy and the personal sacrifices he has made to bring this information to us. Thank you too Michael, I know you have sacrificed as well. I look forward to attending one of your lectures and meeting you some day. I am not a very good writer and currently find myself going into “rambling mode” so, i wont bore everyone with my silliness. I just wanted to say hello to everyone. Take care and i wish you all the best.

Mark Gilbo

Whoโ€™s criticizing? At this moment its neither right or wrong to bring Friedman back into the mix of attention. Sometimes its better to let the past sit and go stale. But, if he TRULY looks at Billyโ€™s material with open eyes and moves forward with it honestly(from here on out ), then he can be congratulated. He shouldnโ€™t be congratulated for spending 25 years ignoring the material that he KNOWS has validity. That has to be earned. Again, this is my opinion, not a criticism.

matt lee

Mark he isn’t being congradulated for ignoring the Meier case for 25 years, he is being congradulated because of the tremendous courage on his leap of faith after being in the dark albeit self chosen for 25 years.
Everyone has got to start somewhere.
It’s better late than never.
The Creational spiritual teachings are for everyone including the laggards.
If I can use Billy’s assassination incident as an example Stan would be no different to the religiously deluded lady who upon meeting Billy to apologise and beg for forgiveness after she tried to kill him, the gift of Billy’s forgiveness motivated her to mend her ways and lead a life of virtue and decency.
As much as Stan has unknowingly done damage he can mend fences and contribute back for the rest of his remaining years.
So lets not be too quick to judge on Stan as you nor I nor MH nor anybody else can predict what the outcome would be either way.
So just a little encouragment goes a long way

Mark Gilbo

I listened to the radio broadcast and Stan did exactly what all Scientists do from large corp and govt programs.. plead naivety.. I grew up with it with a father who was very high up in science and I met several people, like Stan, who have the same procedure to brush off criticism from others. He started the show exactly the way I knew he would. Pretended to be unprepared, blamed his old age, blamed someone elseโ€™s personal life for the reason why he never looked at Meier nor took the info seriously. Its a script well played by many people in his field and it wouldnโ€™t surprise me if there is a manual out there on it. If Stan comes around and truly looks at Meierโ€™s info without making the same excuses of old.. thats great! As Billy says.. Iโ€™ll remain NEUTRAL until he proves otherwise but Iโ€™m not holding my breath. Its nothing against MH, because its another chance to get more people to view the case, and Iโ€™m more excited about that than Stan โ€œIโ€™m not preparedโ€ Friedman.

steve tillbrook

You’re right why should we not ask this question of this high profile UFO researcher, which is “Where has your buttl been for 25 years?” lf he wants to come to God on this, then that’s just as cute as a rainbow.. but l’m not handing him lollypop until he lives up to his word and takes an honest accountable look..

christian martinez

matt lee

where did you get the 5 to 7 incarnations from

matt lee

Hopefully not out of my bum
My apologies I was in the mood for being crude and rude.
Anyway I forgot Christian
I really should have catalogued everything that I’ve read so that this vast treasure trove of information is neatly searchable but it’s all jumbled up inside my head.
Sorry.
If its any consolation it may be searchable in the futureofmankind.
Or alternatively you can do the maths yourself.
Take 800 years give or take several decades divide this by how many numbers of incarnations using the 1.5 formula.
You have to take into account the fact that some incarnation will be shorter whilst some will be longer and just average it out to get 5 to 7 incarnations within the 800 years time frame.

steve tillbrook

l shooting for one as l eat well and walk a lot..but thats just me..

Darcy Wade Carlile

Hi Matt, I think your wrong.

Francisco Liranzo

Good show MH! No surprise on the outcome either. A masterful display of
steadily persevering; especially in detail and exactness. Thank you from all of us…the pesky, jolly bunch who seek only the truth.

When I tell any truth, it is not for the sake of convincing those who do not know it, but for the sake of defending those that do. ~William Blake

matt lee

Hi Darcy I welcome being corrected if I am wrong.
So Darcy what is wrong?

Darcy Wade Carlile

Sorry Matt I should learn to post on comments that correspond to accuracy. We Earth people have no methods of calculating that kind of stuff.

matt lee

Darcy if my memory serves me correct there was a contact note covering this that on average our spirit forms will have about 5 incarnations within 800 years.
I forgot which CN

matt lee

Up to the time when majority of us earthlings will take up the spiritual teachings
So simply put we have about 5 reincarnations to go up to that time.

Sheila Clark

I find it interesting that Stanton Friedman has debated both Seth Shostak of SETI and Michael Shermer of ?. Who he’s associated with escapes me right now but I’m sure it’s just somewhere in his own mind.

David Scott

Don’t Bob Lazar . He came forward with his involvement with the government describing his role in reverse engineering the retrieved crafts in area 51. He dropped one shell of truth that was used as full on ridicule. He identified a fuel material as a component of the periodic table that had not yet been identified. The actual number escapes me. for ha ha’s call it isotope 165 . He was totally smeared and pummeled into the ground and out of sight, despite the best attempt touse media and documentary.
As it turned out some 16+ years later , tada ! science identifies the same element Bob spoke of and its exact potential usage. Too , late Bob was broke and shamed. Perfect example of what can happen to your career.
When I initially saw the Lazar interview on tv it was in the 80’s and I was amazed at the NLP congruence with his behaviour. This means he was telling the truth based on the most recent science observation of body language , speech general behaviour. It was a chilling time for me. I interviewed people for a living to attain restitutions in the millions at the time and he was wire tight as they say. It was an example of what could become of your career should you take the path of the public truth wagon. Its sad. Most of the guys that come clean anymore are in their twilight and past the point, so to speak. Raj and Locke are a new breed that Rock , even like Joe , its only a matter of time. Now its about what are we going to do about it, forget about people believing us.

Sheila Clark

Hi David it’s obvious he was back engineering the TR3 as Menara chased down the last ET driven one in 1979. My husband first saw the TR3 in about 1981/82 and my son saw one 2 years ago. These are the triangle craft which start out like a star on the horizon and zoom right in and can hover and move quickly In any direction. They are either silent or with a low humming sound and have a light at each corner and sometimes a red light in the middle. Mufon doesn’t dare out this craft as what it truly is – manmade. They are so chicken hearted. A $1 million offer was put out to the RCMP by the oil/gas industry a few years ago to have them protect their infrastructure but since the RCMP are employed by the province, not the industry, I see they have gone the TR3 route instead. It zoomed in on my son and 2 friends while they were stopped by a petrochemical plant. But muffin would claim it’s ET. It’s been several years since my nephew told me that a drone is being used at his local mental hospital. We have 11,000 approved drones in Canada. On our media last week it said that 700,000 drones were sold in the US last year alone.

matt lee

Sheila that is so very interesting
So the fact is you are saying the shadow government/special access industrial black budget comlex have in their possession one or several of the Giza Intel’s triangle craft?
Gee then they must have somehow confiscated off the now dead Brazilian Nazi groups.
I wonder how?

Sheila Clark

Hi Matt, as you know any downed craft is recovered. I could pretend that these sightings were ET in nature but I would just be another delusional mufon non investigator especially when you throw in the local horse mutilations which we know are done by humans.
I’m sure Billy said within the last few years that Roswell was a real event. In the link Michael provided (bulletin 3) it said the Roswell alien autopsy was fake.

matt lee

Oh ok
Billy mentioned that it was a 16 year old girl with a rare form of disease called proteria.
And this Santilli dude I mean to profit from other people’s misery is definitely evil.
I think it was at the pentagon that they housed the Zeti Reticulan android bodies.

Carolyn Snyder

Some sites that I have come across say that these triangular craft are Sirian in origin.

Carolyn Snyder

I think we should all pay attention to every information that is available out there on the internet. It is entirely possible that the Plejaren aren’t telling us certain things. . . . and we should explore other avenues. I do take what Billy tells us at “face value” and do not doubt his integrity. However there’s a lot going on that we’re not being told. Of that I am certain!

Darcy Wade Carlile

Sheila, how do you know that’s the truth? Maybe those craft are ET built flying machines made by humans from outer space who speak a strange language and who fly around in triangle shaped flying machines.

Sheila Clark

The evidence points to them being manmade:
http://m.liveleak.com/view?i=08b_1362520923
Also Joe outed them as being used by black ops and Billy has stated that 98% of photographed craft nowadays are manmade flying devices. Don’t you think the CF18s would have been scrambled if it really was ET flying in a no fly zone over the petrochemical plant? That would have caused a huge response but oddly there wasn’t any.
Remember the response from U.S.A.F. when the Plejaren flew over George W.’s ranch in 2008? With all the talk about profits lately I can’t help thinking that the petrochemical plant is probably worth more than George’s life.

Taro Istok

How do you know the Stephenville incident was Plejaren? I can’t find a reference.

Sheila Clark

I pieced it together Taro but am unable to find the CRs to show to you. When I stumble across it again, I’ll provide the links. Until then I’ll take that back.

Darcy Wade Carlile

Sheila, stories can be only stories, I don’t believe in cultic ufology stories at all.

Darcy Wade Carlile

Sheila, I think Joe is only a ” Whistle Blower”. I do not believe whistle blowers either because they are subjects to hypnosis and disinformation.

Darcy Wade Carlile

Hi Mike , I was certainly talking about Joe the Whistle Blower. My research in the past 8 years on Whistle Blowers leads to the same thing….disinformation.

Norm

David, It was element 115. Didn’t Billy say Bob Lazar was fake? Now I don’t remember if he said it was a complete fake or part of it was. Lazar seemed real to me.

Andrew Williams

Yes correct it was element 115, and when bombarded with protons turns it to element 116 as i remember. I dont recall Billy mentioning anything about Bob Lazar and i have read his notes several times. Personally, i think Bob was telling the truth.

matt lee

Me too whatever Billy said about Lazar I think he did work on backengineering something.
Probably didn’t know the whole picture but John Lear was telling the truth in regards to his friend Lazar when he first broke the story.
There has been so much debunking attempt and character assassination on Lazar by the CIA/powers that be so why go through all that length if he was a fraud when there are so many others claming similar stories especially abductions.
It just doesn’t add up.
I wonder what he is up to these days?

matt lee

Yeah I’ve read that Michael but in regards to Lazar from outside sources there are compelling evidence.
I don’t think he was lying outright.
There is something to it

Norm

I knew Meier commented about Lazar.

Taro Istok

My personal theory about Lazar is that he was intentionally fed disinformation from the very start, mixed in with genuine material they wanted him to work on. I would think this is standard procedure when bringing in an outsider as an automatic fail-safe if the outsider decides to blab. The ridicule factor is likely a pervasive one in all of their UFO related activities. BTW, has anyone ever noticed the striking similarity between Lazar’s “Sport Model” and the Plejaren type 2? The two appear to be frequently confused.

steve tillbrook

Yeah Lazar struck me as completely honest the day l saw him on tape in ’92. He was on Coast to Coast recently and is doing well professionally. He had to be dragged into the conversation for Coast. He says he is way over the critics and just doesn’t care to repeat himself.. The gravity amplifier experiment where he froze a candle flame at S1 is in-freeking-credible..

Sheila Clark

Stanton Friedman has co-authored 2 books with Kathleen Marden, niece of Betty and Barney Hill. She is also a “regression therapist”, what a coincidence. So if your sighting just wasn’t enough, you too can have a full blown fake alien adbuction ( insert sarcasm here ).

Sheila Clark
Carolyn Snyder

If you can remember your dreams then I think you’d remember an abduction experience. . . . without being “regressed”. And there are people who simply can’t be hypnotized. . . . . In fact I would say that a fully conscious person could not under any circumstances be hypnotized. . . they would simply fall asleep and that would be the end of the experiement. If they can be hypnotized then they are walking around in a semi-conscious state of mind all the time. . . . waking sleepwalkers as it were. Maybe many people live in this state, I don’t really know, but it’s a subject that bears investigation at some future time. . . .

Norm

I’ve always had trouble with Ptaah’s statement. So Betty & Barney are so delusional they made the whole thing up & maintain it even through hypnosis. I think the case deserves a little more personal investigation rather than Ptaah’s broad brush. There’s too much detail in this case for it to be delusional. It was the very first abduction case everyone copied their story. If it was a secret gov’t job then Ptaah should say that.

Sheila Clark

Hi Norm, it’s the regression/hypnosis which leaves false memories. Plus the electromagnetism is a huge factor. That would mean radio or microwave towers. Anything electrical like tvs and computers. I personally know a lady who saw an Ashtard groupie put a needle through his temple, in one side and out the other. So I believe some people can see weird s**t.
I trust Ptaah is correct.

George M

Norm,

I have found it useful to put myself in the place of the other, in my consideration of such ideas as the one you proposed.

If you begin with the idea “if I knew all things about all things, then which of those would I say, which would I not say, which would I put emphasis on, which would I put de-emphasis on, and WHY?” then various things begin to fall into context.

Taro Istok

Some of us here share some reservations about whether or not Stanton Friedman will honour his statement of intent to review the Meier evidence. I have emailed Rob McConnell at The ‘X’ Zone and expressed my interest in a follow-up interview since the first one, although a very nice exchange very much lacked deep, scientific substance despite having a scientist on the panel. It very much felt like a missed opportunity since very few in the “scientific community” are willing to acknowledge the Meier evidence, much less attempt to debunk it. A good, solid debate with some substance would have been nice.

If you feel the same way, I suggest you email Rob at

xzone@xzoneradiotv.net

and express your interest in a follow-up episode. Can’t hurt.

Taro Istok

STANTON FRIEDMAN UNABLE TO DEBUNK THE RHAL ZAHI WCUFO INVESTIGATION!

A little Horn-esque of a headline but so far true. After a brief email exchange with Mr. Friedman I had the sense he was very non-commital with respect to exploring the Meier case using the scientific method, an apparent consensus arrived at during the debate. He was given links to Rhal’s WCUFO investigation page as well as the 74-page pdf. I mentioned it no less than three times as well as the fact that it is well within his level of scientific expertise. This was in response to his exact words:

“I will be looking for things I can verify which won’t be easy.”

He was complaining about the limited amount of time he could devote to the Meier case so I decided to help him along. If anyone else decides to forward any further specific material to Stan I suggest you do so politely, concisely and above all, avoid giving him reasons to back out. My feeling is that he will use any distraction available to avoid looking at the science. Keep it scientific.

Taro Istok

Sorry. I meant to write, KEEP IT SCIENTIFIC!

steve Tillbrook

Friedman has had 25years to look at this case. l dont believe he wants to start now, even after being possibly embarrassed into committing to a scientific investigation.

The method to keep his feet to the fire, while the fire is hot , is to have him commit to opinions on specifically selected evidences which are impossible to refute without appearing completely hostile and ridiculous. Line the points up in a choreographed manner that leads him into a check mate of statements.

Deciding to go soft on him here because he is somewhat co-operative now is a mistake.. Get him while he is still dazed in the headlights .

steve Tillbrook

Michael, you’re right about the backfire potential of negative expectations and statements. A positive engaging approach is the winning hand..

l still recommend that the way in which evidence is tabled for consideration should be choreographed with a view to the outcome. Allowing this to Get hung up on the Asket and Nera photos or something equally controversial is what lam most apprehensive about.

This case has been ignored by Mufon and sidelined at best by Coast to Coast etc. My instincts are that this is still an uphill push against a multifaceted, information suppression system.

Taro Istok

I agree with Steve. Although I have nothing personal against Stanton, now is the absolute worst time to go soft on him. I do think he should be given an appropriate length of time to review the case since stating his commitment to do so on Rob McConnell’s show, despite the fact he’s had at least 36-years since he’s been aware of the science(his documentary which included the Meier case). Having said that, he most definitely needs to answer to very specific evidence otherwise he will try to find a way to weasel out of it. Think “A Clockwork Orange”. Might seem a bit harsh but he’s had plenty of time to form very precise SCIENTIFIC opinions on this case. And it’s too important to let an opportunity like this slip by. The time-travel photos, the Asket photos etc. need to be dealt with precisely as they are: Contaminated evidence. They are unreliable for either validation or proof of hoax. They are a time-sink which is why “skeptics” gravitate towards them. Anyway, Friedman is the “(Great-)Grandfather of UFOlogy” and whether he endorses the case or clearly tries to dodge it will be something for the “UFO community” to discuss if not at the very least ponder. But only if there are enough who want to see this happen speak up. Email Rob. Email Stanton. Be polite. Be consise. Be specific.

Leslie Gabriel

I personally met Stanton Friedman and Betty Hill at a small lecture in Portsmouth, NH. I got an impression of him at that time. While I think he is brilliant, he had little too say outside of Roswell, my hope he is open minded at this point in his life, he could be the key, that makes a big difference in world history. Betty was a lovely lady, I got too ask her one question. I asked her what did the Aliens sound like ? her reply was interesting she said “their speech was more like a song, and she felt that they were very loving beings”

Sheila Clark

Never rule out that they may have been targeted due to their inter-racial marriage. I’m sure she was a lovely lady. The lady in Brantford who claimed to have been abducted was quite lovely too. I felt quite sympathetic towards her but knew the reason she went deaf was probably not because the alien squeezed her head like she claimed, it was more likely her incessant crying at the orphanage made some human snap and lose it. You ever notice so called abductions only seem to happen to people who have had a traumatic life? They must be easier to break with hypnotherapy.
At Brantford, Stanton said it was his one year anniversary of his heart attack and I wished him many more long years of life. I think he needs those long years to fully take in Billy Meier’s material.

Carolyn Snyder

I believe the story of the woman we heard about (and I think she was there too) in Brantford. I could see the story unfold as images in my mind, and it was quite clear to me what happened.

Darcy Wade Carlile

Does anybody know where I can find CR 576?

Taro Istok

Debate #2: Stanton T. Friedman – The Dog-Ate-My-Homework of UFOlogy. Sounded like a, “To Be Continued…” episode to me. Eager to see what happens next. Will Friedman ever take a SERIOUS look at the science and offer a scientific evaluation?

Taro Istok

I hear ya. Rob didn’t bother with the little poll like last time. Too bad.

Taro Istok
Lord Moorman

The links give a “Page Not found” error

Melissa Osaki

Which links are you referring to? Thanks.

William

I corresponded with Stan asking in f he believed in Billy Meir’s story. He promptly answered NO.

Taro Istok

Friedman avoided all the science involved in the case. Why?

Taro Istok

I’m sure some of that was a reluctance to admit he may have been wrong.