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Former NASA Engineer Presents Billy Meier UFO Case to MUFON

Aerospace expert Matthew Wieczkiewicz focused on inexplicable anomalies in Meier’s still irreproducible UFO photos

On Friday evening, October 16, former NASA engineer Matthew Wieczkiewicz presented a two-hour examination into several UFO photographs taken by Billy Meier. These included photos taken in in 1975, 1979 and 1980.

While many people are familiar with the classic disk shaped UFOs that Meier photographed from as far back as 1964 – with all of the largely unrecognized, stunning implications of that evidence – Matthew focused particular attention on the highly controversial WCUFO and Energy Ship photos and the independent analyses done by Rhal Zahi and Chris Lock, which authenticated them as large, unknown objects and not models, or special effects of any kind.

Matthew’s own highly accomplished background in the aerospace industry lent weight to his professional assessment of Meier’s evidence. It was evident in the way he also explained pertinent facts about Meier’s camera and the methodology used by Zahi to establish the size of the WCUFO. He and Arizona MUFON State Section Director Becky Solon read some relevant dialogue, such as this pertaining to the WCUFO, which helped to bring to life the interactions between Meier and Semjase.

Matthew pounted out that the visit by the Nabulaner in their Energy Ships resulted in a rather displeasing report to the Plejaren, which shed more light on the enormous complexity of the contacts, Meier’s responsibilities and the real life conflicts that occasionally arouse between him and the Plejaren regarding the fulfillment of his duties and those of his group members.

But perhaps most interesting in the presentation on the Energy Ships were the many details contained in Zahi’s analysis of the photos that established their authenticity and showed the impossibility that these remarkable photos were hoaxed.

Energy Ship Photo
Energy Ship Photo

MUFON Asks about…MUFON

In light of what she has herself been learning about the Meier case, which was again increased by this presentation and her participation in it, MUFON representative Becky Solon asked me, “Why hasn’t Jan Harzen had MUFON officially investigate the Meier case?”

I explained to Becky that for MUFON to actually investigate and recognize the singular authenticity of the more than 73 year-long, still ongoing, contacts between Meier and the Plejaren would effectively…put them out of business.

After all, as I already pointed out here, it’s pretty clear (even from what another MUFON representative openly stated) that they don’t want to find what they pretend to be looking for.

Rematch!

 Since I just barely nudged out* nuclear physicist and UFO researcher Stanton Friedman in our last debate, and because he has a long professional association with MUFON, I’ll be asking him about this too in our second debate, upcoming on November 11 on the zone, hosted by Rob McConnell.

 

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*Final results of listener poll:

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Horn:       17,355
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steve Tillbrook

Does anyone have any idea about the little people in the energy ships? Are the ships a consciousness projection with the “crew” still on their home world, or is the ship carrying the crew in energetic form?

matt lee

Hey I’ll have a stab at it
Did you see the photo of the little head of the dwarf ET doing some cleanup of fluidal forces at SSSC in Guido’s book ‘and they still fly’.
Well that may be a clue unless these dwarf ET are not from Andromeda.

steve Tillbrook

l think they are different pigmies. l know the Plejaren got the ones in the basement and sent them home with a time leap..

steve Tillbrook

The energy shippers are from Andromeda..l was just reading the whole contact note..
l didnt know there were two types of little people..but the Andromedans were there on a fact finding mission for the High Councel regarding the Plejaren interaction with Billy and friends in Swizzleand. This mission led to the withdrawel of all official representation on earth including stations.

Obviously they weren’t stranded like the other ones who needed the Plejaren to help with a time leap. That would be funny “Hey we are here on official space pigmy business,, yoo screwed up and your outa here” Um, can we get a jump?

Jacobus Kotze

Moshe, this is you,

Look what is written here…

The shortest distance, between two points is… a straight line! Pffff! What c@nt wrote that?!

Then someone responds by saying, “Look Moshe, it is quite straight forward and logical,  the reason why we say so is… (and goes on explaining in detail the practicalities of common sense and its benefits to society)

But no, Moshe is adamant, “I’ll believe it when I see  it.”

That is how foolish you sound every time you open your mouth.

Jacobus Kotze

Where is this foul creature we call Moshe? Has he gone back into hibernation, or is he stiill trying to figure out the meaning of his existence? Who knows…

Jacobus Kotze

Yes sir, Mr Michael sir!

1) Irreproducible fotos taken by BEAM decades before the existence of Photoshop. check

2) Credible, knowledgeable, reputable people in respectable positions, endorsing the information provided by Billy. check

3) Dumbasses still disputing the facts, despite the overwelming  evidence. double check!

Jacobus Kotze

4) Awakening taking place on a global scale regarding the contact with peaceloving extraterrestrial visitors from the Plejares star system. check

5)Vicious frustration expressed by those who fail to discredit the information written by Billy Eduard Albert Meier. check

6) Earth humanity still ignoring the most critical cause of all worldwide problems, namely, overpopulation

7)Violence, extremism, wars, revolutions and massive migrations taking place as a result of  irresponsible leaders who ignore and have ignored the timely warnings given by Mr Meier.

8)Humanity racing down the raging river of insanity ,that will lead only to his own destruction. Unfortunately, this is also a “check”

9) The faint hope that logic and reason will take precedence over all that which is degenerate and wantonly violent.

Taro Istok

Jacobus, we can collectively increase that faint hope of logic and reason by encouraging logical debate in an open, moderated forum. Have you emailed Rob McConnell to voice your interest in a Robbins vs Horn debate yet?

Moshe Levy

The point Robbins made in his last podcast isn’t really up for debate (despite Taro’s half-hearted attempt to argue that Robbins has to first review every document written on the topic; using that logic, MH shouldn’t have published his claims regarding Meier being first until HE reviewed every document ever written). So why should he debate when it would quickly become a free-for-all of gish gallop?

Taro Istok

Wait— are you referring to this?

“Here’s the thing about your ‘argument’: Robbins has not necessarily demonstrated, ‘that others announced it before Meier’. To really prove or disprove this one would need to sift through all of the information both for and against this argument. It’s not that it cannot be done, but it takes time.”

I was talking about ME disproving Robbins’ “investigation”. In that same paragraph, I continue

“So, what’s my motivation for jumping through the hoops you(and other skeptics like you) try to put in front of me? None. I can spend a lot of time proving him wrong and he will never post my conclusions. YOU are not large enough of an audience for me to be motivated to bother with this. That, in and of itself does not prove him right.”

As far as the Gish Gallop, this is just an excuse for avoiding debate. There’s a reason a moderator is present. However, to be fair it’s not impossible. Michael has been in plenty of interviews and debates, I’m sure. Can you cite one specific example where this is happening?

In any case, gallop or not, Robbins can stand to increase his traffic. THAT is why he should debate. That, and to demonstrate he has the ability for a fair and balanced discussion rather than support his argument using a questionable source.

Moshe Levy

You have a much higher opinion of McConnell’s skills as a formal debate moderator than I do.

Moshe Levy

And regarding examples, you don’t have to go any further than this comments page. At no point does MH or anyone else address the substance of Robbins’ claim in his last podcast regarding MH. It’s all ancillary nonsense. If that’s not enough of an example, look at the comments sections of Robbins’ two previous podcasts on Meier. MH had to eventually be censored because of his inability to stick to the specific topic of the podcast.

Taro Istok

You have someone better in mind?

Taro Istok

Well, hold on now, Moshe. You’ve complained about bias with respect to your comment submissions being published here, haven’t you?

Moshe Levy
October 20, 2015 at 11:52 pm
“MH at 5:23: Well, if course no proof has been posted. You block it whenever I provide any.”

I’ve also asked you if you thought Robbins’ handling of the Meier case was fair and balanced. You haven’t answered yet. So, maybe MH was eventually censored for similar reasons. Bias. What’s the best solution? Head-to-head debate with an independent, third-party moderator. If you(and more importantly, Robbins himself) are so certain that, “the substance of Robbins’ claim” is unshakeable, what reason would he have to refuse? He has absolutely nothing it lose. It’s a lock…right?

Taro Istok

ops: nothing to lose

Taro Istok

“Many people who comment here and on the FIGU forum, etc., would do a slice and dice on Robbins too.”

Like a piece of cake?

Jacobus Kotze

Hi Taro,

Well, I”ll give it a go, but you know what Taro, I think Rob McConnell is shaking in his pantalinos. He doesn’t want to risk making a complete ass of himself in front of all his braindead followers.

So, I’m sure Mr McConnell is well aware of the risks and will do everything he can to avoid extreme embarrassment. One of them being, run like scared dog, with tail between the legs.

Taro Istok

If you’re not feeling it don’t do it, of course. I just think that rather than just complain about what seems like a hopeless situation here at a safe place, it’s more productive to try to get others(Stuart Robbins as well as Rob McConnell’s listeners) to see the logic residing in the Meier case. Maybe one by one his advice will be taken more seriously. But understand, I don’t really expect Robbins to accept the offer for a debate. He has shown signs of the opposite, of course. However, holding individuals like this to a higher standard of research and analysis can still accomplish a few things: Best case scenario, he surprises us and accepts the offer(I had my doubts Friedman would agree to a 2nd debate but he did). And if he turns it down, Michael can write about how Stuart has (again) failed to meet a fair, honest and public challenge for rational debate. It’s a fail-safe plan.

matt lee

Or alternatively change the goal post and invite another lost soul such as Shermer, magic Randy or Seth

Taro Istok

I wouldn’t really call that moving the goal post. More like scheduling a different game. I’ve tried to get someone from SETI, including Seth Shostak to clarify SETI’s definition of “credible physical evidence”. Only one response defending SETI’s activities with no mention of my original question. Nothing from Seth. Have you tried contacting any of them?

matt lee

Well I contacted Stanton but without any replies if that is what you mean

Taro Istok

If it was before Stanton agreed to the 2nd debate then yes. If it was after then no. The goal is to get them to participate in meaningful discussion. By, “contacting any of them”, I actually meant the people you brought up: “Shermer, magic Randy or Seth”.

matt lee

Not recently Taro
As for Stanton yes as soon as Michael provided the link to his email.
As for these other mob I think I’ve communicated with them years ago via different forums and I’ve provided the link to this website, figu and gaiaguys if my memory serves me correct so I don’t think they can claim ignorance of the Meier case although their ignorance does persist in an undeniably denial way.

Jacobus Kotze

Your right M, I meant Stuart Robbins, not Rob McConnell, silly mistake…appologies to the wrongly accused, although, I really despise those christian, new age adverts on Robs Show.

steve Tillbrook

Can anyone give a listing of past Meier incarnations in order?

steve Tillbrook

A comprehensive list or a link to one.

Sheila Clark

Why don’t you just do your own homework like everyone else had to. Haha do you see the humour in me telling a university educated man how to do his own investigation?

Sheila Clark

Well I don’t blame you Michael you’ve had the utmost patience with him. Do you think now would be the time to PayPal him a quarter?

Wayne Anthony Sunter-Smith

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Prophets

Here ya go Steve , if ya havnt already got it mate !
Salome Wayno

matt lee

Gee I mean stupid me
All this time I have shoved this niggling sense of incongruency in the back of my mind that kept telling me Steve doesn’t come across as a genuine student of the teachings just for the benefit of doubt sake and whadda ya know.
Anyway give it a read Steve and maybe you may start to become one by bothering to read your way into it.

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Prophets

Robert Forrest

For as long as I have known about Billy and MH. Their efforts to tell the truth. The whole effect of the information is like a pinball game. It bounces and shoots all over the planet, people, etc. Only to come to rest, where it started. Then back out again. Im not sure how important it is to convince a few so called experts. After all there are billions of other folks here as well. After they start to kick in, the others will follow. Well maybe, I hope. Salomae, Robert.

Sheila Clark

You’re right Rob, experts are too invested in their own crap and then they would have to admit their crap was wrong and their egos won’t let them do that. I agree it’s definitely happening on a weekly basis, if not on a daily basis how so much of Billy’s information reverberates. If I had not read it first in the material, I probably wouldn’t have known the source. But I do know the source and it is awesome!

Taro Istok

Unfortunately, this world revolves around the masses brainlessly accepting whatever “experts” tell them. Once you can convince someone with influence to discuss the Meier case, others who may not have noticed otherwise will start to listen. There may not be enough time to reach each of the billions one-at-a-time, particularly considering the continuous suppression the case has been subjected to.

matt lee
Robert Forrest

I think it would important to rember that none of the supposed experts, ever were or are so. As I rember they all achieved their expertise on a popular radio program. By simply being a guest. Hummmm seems to me there should more to it than that. I have heard them all talk and they sound empty. They got no heart. The info that Billy and his friends as well as MH bring us, is all about the heart and a few other things. With their actions and persistence it shows us all what it means to have a strong one. I am inspired by them, to help them with their work. I feel it is important to think on the information, but you also need to put your heart in as much. I try to get everyone to see and read the blog. I look for ways to get them to be interested. It is a life time of work, and I got to it late. So I better get to it. All of them are right when they say the spiritual teachings are the core of it. It took a while for me to completely grasp that, and I’m sure I really don’t understand what they are talking about. But I’m sure I may find out, if I just keep investing myself it what they have to say. Besides I have learned so much already, why stop now. If folks do not want to see or bleave in the information provided by Billy and friends, MH, as well as many others……………..well their just missing out……..to bad for them. Salome, Robert

Moshe Levy

Let me put it in a less inflammatory way. MH and Robbins would be talking past one another. Robbins would want to discuss whether someone else discussed specific scientific information before Meier, and MH would want to discuss whether Meier is in contact with aliens. So they wouldn’t even be having the same debate.

Taro Istok

Pure speculation. This new excuse is not very much different than the potential “Gish Gallop” you complained about on the previous page. Once again,

“Michael has been in plenty of interviews and debates, I’m sure. Can you cite one specific example where this is happening?”

Without a specific example, this type of excuse just reeks of angst.

Moshe Levy

I provided two examples but I don’t think MH posted them. MH tends to publish my claims but then censor my evidence to back them up.

Moshe Levy

I don’t think you’re as interested in searching for the truth as you are in delivering the Meier party line. That’s your job, and you earn money by selling the story, so I don’t blame you for it, but you shouldn’t claim that your only interest is the truth if you censor competing points of view.

Moshe Levy

And Taro, I hope MH’s comments explain why you’re not seeing my examples.

Taro Istok

Why do you assume I need an explanation? You’ve complained about this before and I’ve already responded to it:

“I’m sure MH has better things to do than to moderate every single half-baked hoax theory that would otherwise clutter his blog. I’m not a Meier representative. Just a shmoe with a YouTube page so you can post your thoughts freely there:

https://youtu.be/SNlmFfb0ADs

I enjoy the debate I can’t lose. While you’re there, explain why no one has ever been able to duplicate his Pendulum Film.”

https://theyflyblog.com/2015/08/19/ufos-seti-and-world-war-4/comment-page-2/#comment-158519

If you REALLY need me to see your “examples”, the offer still stands. But then again, considering the fact you have yet to take me up on this offer I can only assume you’re not REALLY interested in debating the case with me but are rather just trying legitimize your complaints of censorship. Bottom line: I know exactly why I’m not seeing your examples. If your complaints are indeed legitimate, anyone here actually interested in your arguments can easily find them on my page.

Moshe Levy

Taro, I don’t “REALLY need” you to see my examples. You asked for them. Twice.

Taro Istok

Precisely my point: You have no REAL interest in legitimate debate.

Sheila Clark

Moshe, in case you aren’t aware many scientific theories were not available to common civilians. Even today those elitist magazines are not found in libraries. It would have had to have been in a physical magazine for Billy to have read it as this was before the Internet age. There is no evidence that these magazines were ever in Billy’s local library.

Sheila Clark

Right you are Michael.

Moshe Levy

Meier claims that he reads professional articles and books, “elitist” or not.

Moshe Levy

I’m responding to your implication (and Sheila’s) that Meier had no access to professional information. He disagrees with you and Sheila.

Moshe Levy

You claim, I believe, that it’s more likely that Meier receives telepathic symbols from aliens than that Meier has access to the professional information in a more mundane way. I’m pointing out that he does have such access by his own admission.

Sheila Clark

Now Moshe it is up to you to prove that those articles Billy was supposed to have plagiarized were available at his not so local library and in German. Everything before 1996 as this was the year Billy got a computer. Get on that. Chop chop.

Chris Lock

Meier has not admitted to possessing specific information in scientific papers or publications relating to his writings called prophecies or predictions. If, Moshe, you think he did have such specific knowledge, please inform us what specific knowledge from what specific source in his possession he had access to. Otherwise you are just throwing around meaningless generalities that get nowhere.

Thomas Turk

Not all abductions are fake, Mike.”Un-X News. The Smoking Gun. Pioneering alien implant researcher and surgeon, Dr. Roger Leir shares his biggest cases and never-before-seen photos of his work”. and Valentich out of Melbourne in a Cessna. ”Disappearance of Frederick Valentich – Wikipedia”. Nothing at all wrong with the Meier case, I visited in mid. ’80s for a foto of my finger in the apple tree laser hole.