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Thursday, March 28, 2024

The Billy Meier UFO contacts โ€” singularly authentic โ€” ongoing for 80 years โ€” the key to our future survival

The True Freedom Project

Providing prisoners with books like The Way to Live and the Might of the Thoughts so that they may reeducate themselves and become truly free

I was inspired to create this project because my friend Sam forwarded this video to me. The video is actually quite mild in regards to what really goes on in prisons, solitary confinement, etc.

The only real way out is in, as we often hear said. And so I am suggesting The True Freedom Project. Itโ€™s a project that each interested person participates in independently and co-creates by helping to provide Billy Meierโ€™s books, DVDs and publications on the spiritual teaching to prisoners, including juvenile offenders, so that they may indeed learn the way self-responsibility, the law of cause and effect, etc. This project will have no central offices, website, administrators, etc., unless and until thereโ€™s really a need for it. Self-responsibility here is again the key for those wishing to assist others, not creating bureaucracies, etc. This is not a FIGU-created project and itโ€™s open to anyone to participate in.

Itโ€™s to be done without proselytizing or missionizing.

How to Do It

I suggest contacting the appropriate personnel at any jail or prison in your area, or elsewhere, that has a library. Tell them what youโ€™d like to do, with a brief explanation that the materials are a non-religious, belief-free spiritual teaching for the benefit of the prisoners. Get their approval to send the material, along with the name and mailing address of the appropriate person in charge to whom it should be sent.

Ordering

When you order the material, put the institution’s mailing information in place of your own address. This way youโ€™ll save additional mailing costs when I mail it directly to them and Iโ€™ll provide you with tracking information so you can be assured that the materials are delivered to the right persons. Of course you’re free to let them know that the materials were ordered by you.

Another Option

If you canโ€™t afford to send any of Meierโ€™s books, consider making copies of the various free spiritual teaching articles on my site, including the ones linked to in the Translation section, including in other languages. Be sure to see if there are any copyright restrictions or other requirements for reproducing the articles. I suggest printing them up and putting them into a protective binder. You may also want to put each page in a protective plastic cover (good quality double-sided printing is recommended to keep paper costs down), etc.

You can also include a copy of this article to introduce and explain the project.

 

Some recommended material from the shop:

The Way to Live

The Might of the Thoughts

The Goblet of the Truth

The Psyche

The Spiritual Teaching in Everyday Life

The Consciousness Awareness Workshop

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Terry Carch

Hi George M, I`ve been told that I am very sensitive and after meditating for 20,21 years now there is the possibility that I might be spychic but I don`t know and can`t conferm if I am a spychic?

Terry Carch

P.S. I`ve always wanted to learn how to be telepathic like the Ps.:-)))

George M

Terry Carch,

I have no comment about how to tell whether someone is or isn’t psychic in the commonly understood way – but by way of conversation, I don’t know if I would want to hear other people’s thoughts. What if I didn’t like what they were thinking? What if they found out and became afraid to be in the same room?

What if – and this is truly frightening – everyone knew how to do it so that it was like a mobile telephone that you couldn’t switch off, with some crazy person telling those telemarketing people how to do it?

We should go back to talking about how to get books into prisons instead – anything to take my mind off that bone chilling idea ๐Ÿ™‚

Terry Carch

You got a very good point. Hmmmmm? The only problem is if the P`s are so telepathic how do they learn to filter out all the bad negative thoughts that you brought up? Hmmmmm?

matt lee

Hey George talking about prisons have you ever been locked up in a penitentiary or jail?

George M

matt lee,

No, I have never been sentenced to prison or anything like that.

The closest I have come to being imprisoned is when I was wrongfully arrested, followed by a lengthy trial where I argued against police officers who perjured themselves under oath. I won of course, and sometimes think that I should have sued them afterwards for the time spent at the station – which I suppose you could count as incarceration, actually, since you have no choice but to be there and wait in a cell – but think that if a “judge” will watch police lie under oath and not immediately find them in contempt of court, then the system is not just at all, and so there is little point.

That is something I agree with Meier about very strongly, where he wrote something like “Western nations are not true civilizations”, “Laws are mostly for show”, and “Western nations are barbaric”.

Police, judges, and politicians are mostly thugs and brutes who have learned to look respectable, imo. They talk like civilized people, but when a judge watches several members of the law enforcement tribe lie under oath so as to save face and does nothing about it, against a member of the community who is clearly a decent intelligent person, you know that you aren’t living in a civilized place.

That was a strange question though. Do you have experience with this kind of thing?

matt lee

Well I’ve never been to prison or served time but I nearly did.
It was supposedly for an assault when in fact it was more like entrapment.
I paid a fine after the court case without any criminal conviction with the help of my mafia friends.
In another incident around 20 years ago I did physically and quite brutally assault a racist troublemaker in front of the police but got away scotch free because of someone I knew who knew the police who let me go after my arrest without trial.
Its nothing to be proud of course but we learn the hard way don’t we.
I asked that question just to establish something that’s all.
I hope you didn’t mind.

matt lee

Damn I just saw the former prime minister of Australia Paul Keating about 10 minutes ago.
I wanted to talk about Billy Meier with him but he must have sensed me and hurried away.
I had my baby son in a pram so it made it a little difficult but I followed after him anyway as quickly as I could to have a chat but due to my lack of courage I lost him.
Damn a lost chance slipped out of my hands due to my lack of spine.
Damn!

George M

matt lee,

Not seizing a moment to approach a former prime minister isn’t spinelessness imo. He probably had bodyguards who saw you and gave him the “someone might talk to you and they might have a camera – get out of there” signal.

Perhaps he was getting as much sunshine and freedom as he can before the economy etc gets so bad that leaving the house is no longer possible. Judging by how things are going, that eventuality may actually manifest.

matt lee

Wow George spot on except for the bodyguard thing.
I took my wife and son to the Barangaroo reserve just to check it out and see what all the fuss is about.
Whilst walking around I’d noticed a head bobbing out of my peripheral vision upstairs and caught the solitary former prime minister taking in the view by himself alone without company.
I happened to be filming with my DC so I got a good footage of him hurriedly getting out of there as I was going after him with a pram in one hand and a camera in another.
I followed him right to when he had gotten in his green Commodore with a yellow number plate which was parked right next to the park but just couldn’t muster the courage to disturb his peace in his car.
It would’ve been very rude and would’ve undermined whatever I might have said to him.
The bloke must have been hounded all throughout his life or something because of the manner in which he was getting away from me as soon as he sensed that I had recognised him as I called out to my wife.
Poor bloke so unfree and so in chains just like the rest of us.
For some reson I wanted to take one of my Billy’s book with me before I left for the trip.
I understood in hindsight what these urges and feelings were telling me now that I think about it in that had I brought the books with me I would’ve had a better chance of breaking the ice with the former prime minister by having something to offer him and maybe get his attention.
So from now on I am going to take Billy’s book with me wherever I go just in case.

George M

matt lee,

You may be a better person than I am. I have a lot of trouble feeling sorry for politicians who, either by active participation or passive inaction, allowed this country to become what it is, rather than what it ought to have been.

That former prime minister receives a pension of several hundred thousand dollars per year. That money is extracted from regular people who are struggling to make ends meet. If those people do not pay the tax imposed upon them, force will be used to extract it. Does he relinquish claim to that pension? No.

As a former prime minister, his word carries weight. He has a voice that people would listen to, and so could accomplish much good. Has he raised his voice to remedy the rank injustice that he, or subsequent politicians, foisted upon others? No.

That former prime minister rushed away from a regular citizen who had a small child with him. If a leader had acted honorably during his time in office, or in the time afterwards, would he leave so hurriedly when confronted with one?

I think that you can tell a lot about a person by looking at who they are frightened of. It gives you a good clue as to who they have wronged.

matt lee

Good point George.
They are very troubled people.
That’s probably the reason why they went into politics in the first place and came out of there more worse for wear than when they went in.
I gather that them being human the ravages of guilt conscience must prick and gnaw at them at every genuine chance of deep self reflection even without them being consciously aware of it much like many other people.
If you have screwed enough people or hurt them in some way these ghosts of the past do come back to haunt you and hound you until you come to terms with them or life come to term with you.
Paul Keating armed with one of Billy’s book could’ve done wonders had he come to realisation of the truth.
Even just for his own sake and that of his spirit.
He may have been at a crossroads in his life where having plenty of time to reflect and to put things into the right perspective he probably ended up more disappointed with everything, his life and his so called achievements than during his ambitious younger days.
I’d love another serendipitous chance to meet with him again so that I can pass on Billy’s book to him and just maybe Paul Keating can give a voice to it as his last remaining legacy as a reparation to society he had wronged.
That’ll be the day and that’ll make my day.
As for Keating who knows..

George M

matt lee,

In my experience, guilt does not gnaw at them. Losing power does. They see the world quite differently to normal people. Once someone has access to the levers of power, learns what it is to be in control of big things and be seen as important, it is like an addiction.

Guilt and shame are virtually unknown. Being embarrassed by other politicians, yes. Frustrated that their policy would have worked “if only x had been done or for x more time”, yes. Angry that a different policy was used that worked better than theirs, absolutely yes.

When they see a normal person suffering, they don’t think “my policy did that”. They think “if I were in power this wouldn’t have happened” or they just don’t see the normal person at all because their head is full of thinking of the people who matter – other powerful, important people, or what the television said.

It is difficult to describe.

Terry Carch

I agree with George M on the fact that police,poiticians and judges are all a bunch of thugs who think they are gods and get away with murder while the rest of us have to suffer and pay bills, taxes and be ruled by law and told what to do while the police,politicians and judges can do what ever they want,steel money,not pay taxes while the rest of us have so little money and pay heavy taxes etc. Those are the worst thugs who cheat,steel and try to look good just to hide their bounty/loot abroad and get away with murder etc. “Why not throw these criminals in prison for life!”?

George M

Terry Carch,

I am not trying to start a revolution by saying this, but rather, to stimulate some thought by way of perspective.

Who decided that these judges ought to judge, or politicians ought to lead? Who decided that there ought to be a congress, or parliament, or president? Who ever asked you, or your neighbour, or your family?

The answer is: certainly nobody alive today.

The persistence of the political system is a manifestation of people being so mindless that they simply go along with what was before. They emulate and accept the ideas of dead people, without thought, and without the dignity to say “hang on – no one asked me about this.”

All of this – national debt, pensions, political alliances, high social status or low, ownership of land or buildings or jewels – it is all based on agreement.

My suggestion is that people just look at the person next to them (whoever it is) and ask “do you agree with all of this? were you asked?”.

Then if the answer to either or both of those questions is “no” then have a think to arrive at the next natural, logical idea without being told.

Sheila Clark

Hi George, Billy has stated the only logical solution is to vote in people of high values.
There are still some no nonsense judges around. I was attending court a few years ago when some poor bloke who had breached his no alcohol conditions was facing additional breach of probation charges. Both the arresting officer and his probation officer testified that they saw a beer can on his coffee table when they were spying on him through his window one night. The judge asked both of them to name what was on the label of the beer can. Neither could and it was thrown out of court. Because whose to say it wasn’t a soda can? So here’s a judge who did not take the cop and probation officers word as truth.
Out of the 6 dirty cops that I’ve had issues with over the last several years, I’m glad to report that 2 retired and 3 were transferred. Which only leaves one and I know he’s afraid of what I might say to him if he ever stopped me or came to my house. But I do feel sorry for the new community where the 3 were transferred because they are just moved around like pedophile priests. In hindsight though I should have made a formal complaint against them every single time.

George M

Sheila Clark,

We should be careful not to mix topics. I was talking about what the system is, and not the mechanism by which the system should be changed.

I agree with you and Meier. It makes much more sense to put the correct people in power who may then remedy our problems in a cohesive, sensible way, even if it takes a longer time, rather than having to suffer the destruction that occurs when revolutions or system collapses happen.

The really big problem that is robbing the world of good leaders is that the whole process of selecting leaders is broken. Voting doesn’t work.

I bring this up because the same thing has happened with police officers. It isn’t that there aren’t good men and women willing to be police officers – it is that the selection criteria actually removes people of high moral standards.

It might interest you to search online for articles about people whose application to be police officers was denied because they were too intelligent, and go from there.

Sheila Clark

Yes already knew that from life experience. Both my husband and my daughter’s former boyfriend wanted to be cops but were told they don’t want white men. The intelligence and moral factors do make perfect sense too, thanks.

George M

Sheila Clark,

For the sake of casual readers, let me elaborate.

In Australia, there was a psychological testing protocal in place for police recruits for many years. The police recruited through that system were, by and large, ethical, efficient, decent people.

Someone, somewhere, most likely for nefarious reasons, in about 1985-90 or something, decided to change the psychological testing protocol. The quality of the police force began to degrade immediately, with ranks filling with low intelligence, poor integrity, low ethic bullies. This was done, in my opinion, so as to create a police force of people who enforced laws without understanding them, and hence, no longer utilizing discretion or assessing situations on a case to case basis.

Someone noticed, and decided to test the existing police force of the entire state of Tasmania, which was an established, effective police force that functioned very well.

Every single officer in the state failed the test. Upon seeing that an entire established, efficacious veteran police force had failed the new test, and that the new police forces were creating a lot of misery, you’d think that they would change it back. They didn’t.

Next time anyone sees videos of police brutality, or gangs of black clad militarized police with visors and shields beating up protestors, or hear that mindless “it’s just a few bad apples” line from some talking head, it might be useful to think of the information in this post.

Maybe all of this is the result of poor political leadership. Who knows. Something I think, though, is that if you are a dictatorial political party or set of corporate entities that wishes to create unjust laws for your own benefit, then you cannot have intelligent, moral police officers who refuse to enforce those laws, or, worse yet, who might decide to investigate your own crimes instead.

matt lee

George you did say something about having experiences to do with politics.
Were you ever in a political seat or was your capacity to do with an advisory role?

George M

matt lee,

Due to circumstances of geography, business, familial/personal relationships, and my own ability as a rational thinker, I find myself surrounded by business/political types/interacting in that world in a variety of intimate ways.

I have never held office personally, though was asked to join various parties for that purpose. I have very strong opinions about political parties, and in particular, party bosses in the background making decisions rather than the elected person, and so of course said no.

Billy Wilson

DOJ findings from April 2011 that determined the mental health care system there was not up to par. The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services do not have to have judges or jury to stay in business. A visit to a hospital can lead to an interview with a physicist that can take one’s freedom on the spot in the United States. As bad as the corporations that are prisons, we have worse for human beings that have no say nor any clue if freedom will ever come. Inside Britain’s Highest Security Psychiatric Hospital https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-G5mC5WTDY is an example of how insane the current planetary concinnous has become. Good luck getting any of Billy’s books to these people.
Peace
Billy Wilson

matt lee

George M
Then where have all the good men gone to become the police, judges, lawyers, barristers, politicians, councillors, CEOs, prime ministers, state premiers and so on.
The true and genuine spiritual leaders Billy talks about must have gone AWOL or become extinct.

George M

matt lee,

The professions described above are those that filter out good people, and are biased towards selecting those who are the opposite of genuine spiritual leaders. Perhaps the people you are looking for are everywhere else ๐Ÿ™‚

matt lee

George
Of course if you really did want to find the best candidates for the spiritual leadership in replacement of the current crop of so called high standing members of society to lead then obviously you would select them from the good folks who make up this blog, FIGU and anyone who truly and genuinely endeavours to live a spiritual life based on the Creational law
but I was talking more in terms of people who make up the unwashed masses.
My opinion is that you don’t have to know about the spiritual teachings to be a moral and upright person.
So where have all these John and Robert Kennedy type of truth tellers gone.

George M

matt lee,

There are quite a few that I can think of.

Here is an idea for you – world politics is presently dominated by political parties, rather than individuals. Politicial parties are rotten things where former politicians and the rich people who finance them find “front men” to run for office on their behalf.

Obviously the “leader” (front man) of a political party is, by default, an actor with very low morality. They wont say what they personally think, even if they think in a good way – their job is to say what they have been told by party bosses, who just want laws and economic decisions to benefit them personally.

If a front man dares to say something right and fair, a “leadership challenge” is arranged, and a new front man put in place.

So if you want to find decent people in politics either look at independent politicians (who hardly even get elected or heard from if they do) or, to a lesser degree, front men who have been deposed.

As for normal people, apart from small community pillars like that football coach or schoolteacher or fish n chip shop owner that everyone asks the advice of, look for political pundits in the so called “alternative media”. Btw a pundit is an expert commentator in some field or other that TV shows commonly ask the opinion of.

A good example is, say, Ryan Dawson, if you want to youtube him. He is a normal guy who, out of personal interest, researches political patterns and really annoys people in Israel. Another guy to look up goes by the name of “stormcloudsgathering”, who is excellent imo. Former US assistant treasury secretary Paul Craig Roberts is another though politically slanted. There are lots out there…they just don’t get any press.

matt lee

Thanks for the suggestion George.
I’ve been reading Craig and Stormscloudgathering for a number of years now and even sent an email to Craig to get in touch with Michael.
Wearechange, Corbett report, Breibart before he got assassinated, Bill Hicks (passed away), William Cooper (passed away), Karen Hudes, Judy Wood, Jesse Ventura, Ron Paul, Steven Greer (before Gaiaguys left), and many other activists fit the bill but something is still lacking.
Although individuals can make a difference in the end its the grassroots who needs to come together by first waking up out of their slumber who will in the end make the difference.
The entreched system whatever the system it may be propped up by the ignorant tolerating masses is the biggest problem.
It starts at the grassroots and it will also end with the grassroots as the buck stops there.

George M

matt lee,

Here is another idea: maybe the absence of a strong, dominant “leader” to follow is actually an excellent thing, because following a leader is what gor the world into this mess to begin with.

If there are no strong leaders, it forces people to look, listen, learn, inform themselves, and ultimately, become independent enough to be responsible.

Imo the best kind of world to live in is one in which everyone is so well informed and responsible that leaders are not required.

Also regarding Steven Greer – I personally do not find him to be a trustworthy person. I have no doubt that some of what he says is true, but cannot help listening to him as if he were a witness on the stand that is telling a lot of lies sprinkled in with truth, so as to build a narrative that itself is not true.

matt lee

Well George I also came to the same conclusion about Steven.
There was something incongruent about him the more I’d pieced together his information.
Mainly his rejection of the Billy Meier case.
Second he harps on about the Rockefellers, especially Lawrence.
Third his gatekeeping of this UFO field as if he is the Jesus Christ of Ufology.
Fourth judging by all the broken promises so far and no real progress made on the disclosure project and free energy systems and what CETI needs to know the whole intention of his initiative in the end was actually a ruse to divert people’s attention away from the Billy Meier case so that his rat catching, bit of truth sprinkling and charm offensive approach keeps people drowned on his opioid like trance-information.
He is definitely part of the Dark Order of Darkness plan
If you live in Tassy George why not give it a crack yourself.
You could have your own fiefdom of quiet revolution of truth down there.
Stuff the courts and stuff the police.

George M

MH,

A few years ago I contacted Greer’s organization on behalf of an energy inventor who told me that he had come up with a technology that matched what Greer says he is looking for, because the inventor was not computer literate and did not know how to write emails.

They were not particularly interested.

The inventor is probably going to take his technology with him to the grave, because it seems that nobody is actually interested.

I then saw videos of Greer for the next few years afterwards asking inventors to come forward, by contacting the same organization.

matt lee

Yeah Michael as I am aware of what Steven did to you and your offer its as plain as day what kind of a person this Greer is.
At least have the friggin courtesy to be polite and say thanks but no thanks.
I am sure that through Dyson and Vivienne’s initiative even as far back as 2004 or 2005 ish that he is well aware of the Billy Meier case to have thrown Gaiaguys out of the disclosure project.
People here can also find out about it by reading ‘what CSETI needs to know’ and their email correspondence with officials from the DP at gaiaguys link at FOMK.

George M

MH,

I wrote what I did because I do some low level experiments and communicate with other curious people. I have noticed that most experimentors and inventors are good natured people who just couldn’t conceive of someone as vocal or prominent as Greer being fake. That kind of thinking is alien to them.

The one I know is so downtrodden and bitter that he has abandoned his technology. In the beginning he kept his secret because he wanted to make money out of it.

Now I think part of the reason he wont tell anyone is because he thinks that knowing about that kind of thing is a curse that leads to nothing but disappointment and pain.

Andy
Andy

“Of course this also may not satisfy people…”

Indeed.

Especially because it is contradicted by Meier’s own account in the very first paragraph of Might of the Thoughts. Take care, Michael.

Andy

“Actually, if we are referring to the same paragraphโ€ฆthe opposite is true”

Yes, we are referring to the same paragraph. But, that’s definitely an interesting take on that paragraph. For example, little further down in same paragraph: “The words are much more to be understood as the values of the practical experience and lived experience of a human being who made the effort all his life to examine his thoughts and steer them along neutral-positive lines.”

Meier explicitly claims ownership of the teaching, having procured the wisdom through observation of his life/thoughts.

He’s either a thief or a liar, ie., he either plagiarized or else he falsely laid claim to a book that was actually plucked ready-made out of the ether.

It’s interesting that even FOREWARDS to spiritual teachings are found ready-made in these storage banks:

Allen: “This little volume (the result of meditation and experience) is not intended as an exhaustive treatise on the much-written upon subject of the power of thought. It is suggestive rather than explanatory, its object being to stimulate men and women to the discovery and perception of the truth that โ€“
โ€œThey themselves are makers of themselvesโ€ by virtue of the thoughts which they choose and encourage; that mind is the master-weaver, both of the inner garment of character and the outer garment of circumstance, and that, as they may have hitherto woven in ignorance and pain they may now weave in enlightenment and happiness.

Meier: All of the following words are the result of the thoughts from a long, turbulent and full life. But they are also the result of well-maintained meditation. (..) However, the wordsโ€ฆ[are not] to be regarded as an exhaustive treatment of the much described life and of the comprehensive topic of the might of the thoughts. (..) In this form, many things are also more touched on by the words than explained. But the fundamental Ziel of the words is that all human beings are encouraged through them, to find the truth and be cognisant of it, so that they begin to live according to the old saying which says, โ€œThe human being is the forger of his/her own fortune.โ€โ€ฆ

โ€œThe human being is the forger of his/her own fortune,โ€ and indeed, in the form that the human being forms his/her luck by means of his/her thoughts, in each case according to how he/she choose them and reinforces them But thoughts areโ€ฆa might which forms ones character as well as oneโ€™s morality, as well as the external circumstances of life and the way through life. (..) If a human being is not yet aware of this irrefutable fact because he/she has lived, so far, in well-tended unknowledgeness as well as in ignorance of these matters, and in the pain and sufferingโ€ฆthen that human being can now perceive this truth, createโ€ฆknowledgeโ€ฆand wisdom, in order to thereby bring some light, love peace, harmony and joy into the life,โ€ฆ

MH: “even those who deliberately dug themselves into a deep, deliberate hole of denial…” Who are you referring to Michael????????????

Billy Wilson

Michael, Is this Andy person and individual that requires special attention, they have post after post with you not reminding them that we are all on equal ground. For a number of months, names have become the expected normal code of conduct that has lead to some very civil post that are worth taking the time to read. If they can not aspire to be themselves then this subject will remain a mystery much longer than it needs be for some.
Peace
Billy Wilson

Andrew Grimshaw

G’Day mate,
I look forward to the list of ALL the other books BEAM has plagiarized and ALL the lies he has told, with your excellent, intelligent, true, and verifiable explanation!
Salome

George M

Andy,

I prefer avoiding arguments with people, and think that we can short circuit having one with the following sentence:

“I will accept that Meier plaigarized someone else’s work as soon as they can show where he plaigarized those daytime UFO photos.”

I have noticed that people are very selective when they argue, and seem to have the idea that if they can cast doubt upon one element of the case, that they can cast doubt upon the whole thing.

The main debate tactic seems to be to avoid the things that cannot be disproven, and furiously talk about things that may – and I stress, may – have arisen elsewise.

So. Would you kindly provide a link to the original publication of those photographs, please? We can chat about other things the minute – the very minute, mind you – that you do. And not another word until this is done, my good sir ๐Ÿ™‚

Andy

“Of course with Maheshโ€™s lame claims of โ€œbackdating, etc.โ€”

…I think you mean Mahesh’s presentation of the demonstrable proof of Meier’s backdating.

But we won’t go there again. I have told you about these proofs countless times, and you always seem to magically go illiterate at those moments. So I’ll leave you be. You should probably hang on to those ladders yourself.

Sheila Clark

Mahesh has proven that he will take an unknown unnamed NASA archivists word as truth when it comes to the universe pictures. Mahesh is too chicken hearted to demand the NASA archivist’s name and publish it. So yes Mahesh has proven nothing.

Matthew Reed

Well it seems Mahesh has finally come off the fence and openly claimed Meier to be a fraud. The explanation of the similarities between the 2 books being a result of the storage banks makes sense, but as Christian stated, this is unprovable. Another wrinkle in the amazing Meier case.

adrian martinez

I have not read either book yet… I read the post from Andy’s link and although there are stricking similarities, Billys words go into much more detail. Close to same words here and there… But again, the in depth explanations from Billy based on the snippets provided is just all the more better. I gotta admit, when I first started reading the comparisons it had me a bit worried… But as similar as it is, Billys further explanations and thoughts goes beyond what the similarities are. As you said MH, a lot of this is outside our normal thinking.. I mean, being able to tap into storage banks and universal storage banks is frickin mind blowing! All from meditation… Well, meditating the right way… And living the right way.. thinking the right way… BEING the right way… I’d love to hear more on this from Billy about Mr Allen and who he was and maybe his past lives and if he was from another world because he was spot on with what he was writing about…from what I read that is. But to say based on this he’s a fraud is a bit of a stretch… And again, these are thoughts from someone that hasn’t read either books… But I now want Might Of The Thoughts all the more! Expect and order from me soon MH! Can’t wait to read it! And more importantly, learn from it!

George M

adrian martinez,

What is happening is a common tactic sometimes referred to as “controlling the narrative”.

What happens is that, if you want to create doubt about a large issue, you find a small element of the large issue that you can argue about, and then focus upon that single element, excluding absolutely everything else.

If you can make people doubt that one small element, then their doubt extends to the entire issue, even if the remainder of the evidence is so overwhelming that the small element doesn’t matter. The narrative has thus become the small element, and not the large issue.

The goal of this kind of manipulation is to make the observer turn away and not even consider the remainder of the large issue ever again.

A good example might be an excellent doctor being wrongly accused of rape. Even if it comes out later that the accusation was totally made up, doubt persists in the mind of any observer, which stops them ever trusting that doctor again.

Unfortunately many people are incapable of putting small elements back into proper context so as to dissolve unwarranted doubt. Their minds get stuck.

I think that the logical thing to do is to pause, and with a cool head, examine the case in its entirety, with all things in proper perspective. Which goes for people who believe it 100% too. Refresh, reassess, over and over, never stop thinking never believe anything, ever.

adrian martinez

Completely understood George, and can see how that could effect someone… but my understaing of this case, the facts I researched that proved this case to be truth to me, isn’t as fragile as I might of let on in my recent post. I love to dig into sceptics debunking theories and using it to further prove the case is real. For someone like me who deeply believed in Jesus Christ as my Lord and savior (not too stereo typical though, read the bible once and hated church), only because I felt that it was all I had to believe in to be a good moral man, and change from that deep belief to believing in the truth didn’t come easy… I had to make sure that this case is real. And I did. And there’s no looking back for me. But I was never satisified with religion… For some reason, even before I knew of religion I always had a big interest in UFOS, but that too was an empty feeling because of the ridiculous main stream theories of grays and abductions and what not. But then coming across this case 2 1/2 – 3yrs ago, and researching and learning about it to the point where one day it clicked… This is real! This case completely blows my mind! In a good way… And it continues to blow my mind daily to the point where I feel a deep urging to spread the word in a non-jehovah witness- knocking on door after door, way. The love, truth, peace freedom that it teaches is so motivitating and makes me feel so damn good! I just want people to read about it… Know that this exists and whatever they want to do with it is their deal. But I have to resist… I can’t push this on anyone… As much as I want… Sorry for my rant… But I love reading your thought man, I can sense the intelligence and sincerity in your posts. Keep up the good work bro! You too Mr Horn!
Salome!

George M

adrian martinez,

Well that is all well and good then. I was always good at arguing with people – perhaps too good, meaning that I had to discipline myself so as to not use underhanded tactics to turn debates into arguments, followed by humour to turn arguments into ridicule.

When I see people online using tactics that I am very familiar with, my response is to undermine those tactics by explaining them, so that they become ineffective.

When I read Andy’s comments, I thought to myself “Okay so we have a book cover and some text. Lets apply the same standard endured by Meier – prove that the book is real. Prove that Meier saw it. Prove things one by one, in proper sequence, to show absolutely that what you are saying is true. And while you do that, please draw the remainder of the evidence together to show that they too are fraudulent, because of a neat little thing called ‘the total weight of evidence’.”

If we don’t apply good standards of debate to both sides, all we get is an argument waged by emotional, egotistical people that is more like dogmatic fanatic priests yelling at each other that their god is the real one, rather than proper, reasoned discourse. It isn’t fitting.

Sheila Clark

I noticed that Allen’s obscure book talks about souls and the kingdom of heaven which Billy never does. Mahesh claims Billy plegiarized Allen’s book but I only see vague similarities. But I do think that Mahesh is plegiarizing Andy though. Good wanna be lawyer that he thinks he is, he may want to get on that.

Tyler Rutland

Kind of ironic, isn’t it? That exactly what so many people are accusing him of now, is what in the near future will be countless humans’ nondischargeable guilt.

Tyler Rutland

Looks like that guy Allen’s Ok, though. He canโ€™t be earning a profit since he’s dead, and whoever made that web site doesnโ€™t appear to be doing it to earn a profit either, so very probably he learned that stuff himself.

Just taking a look now, I see a guy who had some good cognitions. Sorry, I ought to say “man”, since he was probably a pretty fine human being.

I respect that man Allen. If he’s alive today, I hope that he is happy should he ever come across these new, expanded books. They’d probably make his current personality emerge with a big, happy smile ๐Ÿ™‚ If Iโ€™m right about his character, that is.

Better to put away those old, outdated words like “soul” in my opinion, though, since it seems to just bring about suffering. Not a whole lot of things smart like being called “soulless” like some kind of abomination that don’t fit in with all of Christendom, when it’s really just a case of a broken or impaired psyche that needs a bit of love and repair.

But weโ€™re fortunate that we have Billy for that, too, since that old idea of the “soul” really has had to go for a long time. Lately it has been causing nothing but suffering and pain, so I’m glad to be rid of it, and to have the term “psyche” in my own personal strongbox instead.

Tyler Rutland

Sorry, “very probably” is too strong of a word to use. I’m not /really/ sure myself, what’s really up. Still it’s pretty interesting to read this Allen guy’s works. I like ’em, though I know I’ll stick with Billy’s.

Tyler Rutland

Oh damn. Hey, we CAN enjoy this stuff eh!

I just got it, finally. “Can’t have 2 masters because one is hated while the other is loved.โ€ It’s about materialism and anti-materialism, NOT about learning from two different humans. I could cry at how clever the Pโ€™s were 2000 years ago, to know that this stuff would take 2,000 years to work!!! Felipe Zucker you awesome positive guy, wherever you are!! I could kiss Semjase too!! Hahahahaha

Oh baby, I’m gonna like reading this guy’s poetry then, ’cause some of it looks really neat!!! I just hope some of it won’t confuse me, but I THINK (believe??) I’m pretty safe now myself, since I learned what’s really up with the psyche and such. And can always go back to confirm what I read, and of course use my own intellect. Eh!!!

*Sniff sniff* .. I wonder if Eduard ever did find this guys work, and take it for some of his own food for thought? Maybe not, but this Allen guy DID write in Dutch too apparently …

Why be pissed that this planet has had more than 1 wise person??? That’s awesome!!!! Eh!

Tyler Rutland

Oh shh shhhh. Lol. Sorry. Gotta THINK more, and cook my positive-neutral thought, before I keep on gushing with excitement and going back and forth like a broken meter.

Btw really neat video was made by a clever friendly guy and posted on youtube for all ๐Ÿ™‚

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-ALfi0u0co “GoldieLocks and Neutral Positive Thoughts”

It’s awesome.

Bye!!!

adrian martinez

Tyler R, that goldie locks video is good… I watched all of the ones he did and enjoyed them very much… I like the hip hop he does too. I’d love to hear more from him and his rhymes… Coming from a hip hop guy, he’s got a good flow and the message can’t be beat. Beats are good too.. I gotta remember to bump that in my car next time I’m driving… I haven’t seen anything new from him for a while though.. ๐Ÿ™ hope he is doing well…

Sheila Clark

Tyler have you ever stopped to think that what was in Allen’s book is already known by a lot of people through life experience who have never read James Allen’s book? I knew about the storage banks before coming across Billy Meier’s material because my health practitioner was tapping into them and giving me the information. I have no way of proving this other than the information was helpful to my current life. On the other hand I have found treasure in Billy’s information that I could find no where else.

Andy

But one more thing. Just to be clear, you are positing that a storage bank exists that contains not just an amorphous bunch of information, but literally ready made books (who wrote these books by the way? Creation?). We can’t just say its an amorphous body of info because as demonstrated in the article, [a third of] Meiers book follows EXACTLY along with Allens, paragraph after paragraph, page after page. So you are saying Allen and Meier just happened to both have unconsciously checked out the same book from the cosmic library? Remarkable.

Maybe some deep breaths to keep your head from exploding…

Sheila Clark

Stating the obvious here, where is your proof the book was written in 1903? Do you have a real book in your possession that has been authenticated by a profession?

Sheila Clark

Professional

Sheila Clark

I mean there is so much crap on the Internet with Wikipedia being a bad source of information. Do you honestly think I would take a picture of a book with a subtitle claiming it was published in 1903 with no proof other than I should believe it? lol priceless.

George M

Andy,

Were those daytime UFO photos downloaded from this storage bank, or from Allens book?

adrian martinez

That’s too bad… For the most part I think most of us would be resectful in debating any issues with him or anyone else. It sounds to me though that all he wants is to disprove the case and is not honest in his intentions of learning more about it and getting any answers or comments to supposed tough questions… Doubt in the beginning for me was common because this case basically blew any belief system out of the water. And that’s scary for a lot of people… Well it was for me…

George M

MH,

I don’t expect a factual rebuttal from Andy Vrbicek. The whole point of my post was to provide him with the opportunity to provide one and demonstrate that he couldn’t, or wouldn’t.

Andy, I am still waiting for an explanation about those photographs. Please do not hesitate to include them in your determination.

When you provide your analysis, do not stop – please, explain the video footage evidence also. We will follow that with an investigation of various statements made by Mr Meier that seem to indicate foreknowledge of scientific ideas and human events.

I would hate to accuse a gentleman of your quality of cherry picking evidence, or otherwise distorting proper evidence weighting, and so seek only to provide you with opportunity. ๐Ÿ™‚

Billy Wilson

Andy, I know I saw some of Billy’s daytime photos on a commercial for a new show called X-Files, maybe the fans which have to be in 100’s of thousands may tip their hats to you. Victors and Losers Billy Meier read at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpcgD0Vs80g may help you out.
Peace
Billy wilson

Matt Knight

According to James Allen, he plagiarised ‘Proverbs’ from the Old Testament, for his book ‘As a Man Thinketh’, so, there’s really nothing new under the sun except for that which we add through our own knowledge.

If Meier is telling the truth and is being advised by real ETs and there’s good evidence to support this, then the information from these ETs including that about the storage banks could be based on fact & we could be seeing the evidence in Mahesh;s comparison. If Meier is lying and plaigarising, do a few chapters in one book, one set of photos, a couple of words in one contact report give us the irrefutable proof we need to confidently say this without looking like shallow idiots, when these few anomolies sit amongst a massive body of tested, validated and original work?

Proverbs 23:7: For as he thinketh in his heart, so is he.
Proverbs 27:19: As in water face reflects face, so the heart of man reflects the man.
Allen: “They themselves are makers of themselvesโ€ by virtue of the thoughts which they choose and encourage.
Meier: The human being is the forger of his/her own fortune.

The positive effects of Meditation…
Proverbs 4:21 Donโ€™t forget a single word, but think about it all.
Proverbs 4:25 Let your eyes look straight ahead; fix your gaze directly before you.
Proverbs 4:26 Give careful thought to the paths for your feet and be steadfast in all your ways.

In reference to Christian’s comments, Allen’s receptive mind to “messages” was such an important characteristic that his wife, Lily Allen, mentioned this in a preface she wrote in his posthumous book, ‘Foundation Stones to Happiness and Success’:

“He (James Allen) never wrote theories, or for the sake of writing; but he wrote when he had a message, and it became a message only when he had lived it out in his own life, and knew that it was good. Thus he wrote facts, which he had proven by practice.”

Sounds like somebody else we know.

matt lee

What I don’t, for the life of me, understand about bozos like Andy and Co is how in the heck do supposedly normal people get their head in a gordian knot and miss taking into consideration all other information presented by Billy in conjunction with the specific part where they may have contentions with.
Why do they have such a problem with the truthful explanation given by Billy.
The more you try to dissect, isolate and reduce Billy’s information into micro components the more you will take away from it the necessary and important context that is vital to understanding it adequately.
Its reductio ad adsurdum at its worse.
So do people have any logical explanation for this mental mishap that seems to inflict so many so called skeptics.
Why?

George M

matt lee,

These people aren’t skeptics. They’re deniers. Skeptics are impartial people who find truth based upon weight of evidence. Deniers do nothing but find reasons to say that something isn’t so.

It doesn’t matter to them what the truth is, or what happens due to their actions. They mostly just want to make people believe what they believe.

Every time I encounter people like this, I remind myself of professors 100 years ago who screamed as loud as they could that trains could never travel at high speeds because air would be sucked out of the human lung causing passengers to die of asphyxia.

Some people just want to be listened to, I guess.

matt lee

Well George you pointed out something quite poignant.
I have a work collegue who constantly talks and talks as if what he is about to say is the last say he’ll ever get in his life.
If it wasn’t for the fact that other work collegues were a mature bunch of people he would’ve been ostracized and labelled a di**head for having annoyed the hell out of people.
Anyway after some personal and very private conversations I had with him for many days after work certain revelation started to emerge in that he was physically and mentally abused as a child when he was growing up and there were periods when he didn’t talk out of protest which gave further reasons for more retaliatory abuse.
Therefore I had realised after listening to some of these things and more that once a person has died within themselves or rather their ego having been shattered by another person be they their parents, the individual yearns to live again and want to find a way back their lost selves or a self not yet given the chance to find out who they are.
So the exact phrase you’ve given ‘Some people just want to be listened to, I guess’ is the exact conclusion I’ve come to in terms of this collegue.
So the point being that lending a genuine non judgemental ear to someone is like a theraputic gift that states to them ‘hey I don’t care who you are or were but frankly you are important and precious enough to be listen to’.
In regards to the so called Skepdeniertics what Billy said is too important to deny him the well deserved position within these deniers minds by not lending our sympathetic ear to these denier’s denials of Billy.

George M

matt lee,

It is a shame that the internet doesn’t really provide the opportunity to do that enough, because interactions are too public. People are fearful of being seen as weak or wrong if they change their minds, and so persist.

If, as you said, you could have a chat quietly to provide a person sanctuary, you could remedy lots of the things that have been bothering them, that are the real cause of many of their behaviours.

I spoke to a girl at a party once, a long time ago. She had been sexually abused as a child, and carried a lot of guilt/shame. She had seen many counsellors, but because they were “official” counsellors, she could not accept any of their advice, or connect with them. She would put up a shield and dismiss their advice, because and only, of their being counsellors.

Anyway after perhaps an hour of chatting away and pointing out why I thought she wasn’t making sense, she finally accepted the idea that it wasn’t her fault, which is what she had been telling herself for 20 years, and, as far as I know, rewrote her thinking towards the positive/healing.

It really goes to show how our systems of interaction, in their artificiality, create a poverty of both humanity and connection that really leaves people isolated. People in cities, surrounded by millions of other humans, in fact live alone, and act crazy because of it. It’s sad.

matt lee

Well George you can say that again about the city living.
I’ve been there, lived in it and frankly city life is a spiritual hell.
There is this restless and incessant action and movement among people propelled by this yearning for connectedness and the desire for relatedness.
Yet a genuine interaction seems never to occur among people because frankly how the heck do people know how to be a genuine human being to another if they haven’t experienced being a genuine person to themselves let alone know who they really are.
Obviously this affliction applies to all including myself of course to a greater or lesser degree but at least some of us are aware of the problem thanks to Billy and try to make it a work in progress.
So you wonder why honest and downright real and genuine interaction between people just don’t seem to happen as the nasty side of human comes takes over and people are prone to backbiting and gossiping over genuinely trying to understand another human being.
This may be the reason why often human interaction predominantly revolves around people propping up their ego, self aggrandizing, being extremely judgemental, arguing over nothing, being emotional, forcefully imposing their point of view, ordering people around, bickering, stonewalling, evading, avoiding, faking, putting on a facade, faking understanding, just nodding, putting on a smiley face, bitching and so forth.
So the genuine expression of the human being is suppressed through self censure and for the sake of political correctness and politeness.
Even false humanitarianism comes into it along with the dreaded tendencies of people to be diplomatic.
So in the end people are basically talking to each other but not actually to the genuine inner being and the core of each other where it stirs the real person within but instead just at the skeleton of the person.
It is no wonder then that most interactions are hollow and devoid of any real substance and honesty.
People are more preoccupied with protecting their own fragile egos and are predominantly defensive especially when other people don’t agree with them.
This sparks off the proverbial psychological reactions of wanting to redeem their bruised ego by getting back at the one who caused the bruising and maligned sophistry takes place where often taking a jab or rediculing the other takes place.
All in all most of the interaction is empty rhetoric and hollow words devoid of
substance and lasting worth.

Sheila Clark

I don’t know Matt maybe it’s because Mahesh and Andy are the same person. Or maybe Andy just lives up Mahesh’s butt? Either way they are both sh***y people.

Andy Vrbicek

Thanks for that, Michael. And I’ll try remind myself of the same. Take care.

Andy Vrbicek

I see. Regarding daytime photos: No, I have nothing for you George. They are compelling photographs for sure. So, yes, we can avoid argument. Indeed, I don’t plan on engaging here much. Good luck George and everybody.

matt lee

Yeah Andy why is that?

matt lee

Yeah Michael and then to top it off with some icing on the cake he says “good luck and take care”
Can you seriously take care of this brcause I can’t

George M

Andy Vrbicek,

I think we should talk about proper human behaviour.

You came to this place and made some very strong statements. You deliberately chose a single piece of possibly relevant evidence, being of a book allegedly written by someone called Allen, and used that single piece of evidence as the basis of calling someone else, being Mr Billy Meier, a plaigarist, which you then followed by ridiculing others regarding such things as alleged “storage banks”.

Ignoring for the moment the idea of independent, concurrent production of similar things – which, by the way, happens very frequently in the world of science, whereby unrelated, isolated researchers make the same scientific discovery, in a highly improbable way, that also happens in literature where books, plays or scripts that are virtually identical are written by isolated writers – my question for you is this:

Do you think that your standard of behaviour is adequate? Is this really the way for a human being to conduct themselves?

If such a thing were done to you, in all honesty, how would you feel?

Sheila Clark

I find it funny Andy V that you will no longer partake on this blog when in fact the only times you ever had were to repeat everything Mashesh has claimed. The sad part is that you fell for his nonsense. I thought you wanting to become a lawyer would make you a better investigator, I guess I was wrong.

matt lee

Michael you have the uncanny ability to agree whilst disagreeing.

matt lee

I am just going to unapologetically go all out and give myself the hedonistic pleasure and the luxury of laughing at your very funny quip.
Hahahahahahahaha
Arh Arh Arh Arh Arh
Cough cough cough

matt lee

Is there a way for replied post to remain exactly where they were replied to Michael?

Philip Brandel

What would we say to those whom only seem to want to see, what they do, for any number of reasons. What if any of us walked up to 85+% of the world and asked them what was wrong… really wrong on this thinking creature created planet? Some would most likely jump to people like Billy, MH and many others seeing a different way? In the end, when it is only us in this world where does the truth lay? In reality, or with the -truth- of what we are and our place within it.
If I must follow those whom see love, peace, harmony, wisdom, true respect… Free will in the utter power of the thoughts and the individual to live within ‘creation’. Our own individual responsibility to steer cause and effect to the BETTER in all of humanity, consciously conscious within our interactions with ‘nature’ and preserving it at all, and every ‘cost’.
Such a horrible thing to see as worthy of truth after the facts of dates, pictures, videos, samples, etc, etc,etc,etc,etc,etc,etc,etc.
Though hey at least some are half way, as in many are not even willing to comment or look with a straight face at the guy in contact with ‘ET’s’ in Switzerland. Let alone the state and condition of the dear earth we reside on jointly as individuals. In some regards, as far as it may seem, this is all of our world and I will ALWAYS side with those that have the best interest of humanity. There are not truly many these days and I for one-individual, am glad I have tried siding with the good, better….best all humanity truly has the potential to offer, everything.
Only if I was more of an example to show as to why ‘skeptics’ have lost the ability to see the bright side of any data, even Billy’s, neutrally. There seems to be nothing beyond the individual and our current world state proves the power of exactly what has been stated to each of us listening, over and over again.

George M

Phillip Brandel,

I am aligned with your point of view. Here is a video that you may enjoy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PY9DcIMGxMs

The video is a speaker talking about, of all things, addiction, whereby he explains how treating people as criminals produces one outcome, while treating the same person with compassion produces a second, very different outcome.

The information is, imo, applicable to all human interactions. Treat your enemy as an enemy, and they will remain so. Treat your enemy as a friend, or at least, allow that opportunity, and they might not be your enemy afterwards. Well worth a watch and some reflection, imo.

Philip Brandel

Thanks George,
Goes into a lot of what your current posts align with. Makes sense to me, for the most part.
As we all become more within one and our true place within the cosmos, people will come together and see the issues and problems needing to be resolved. Thus creating stronger bonds and connections hopefully towards the better which will make ‘addictions'(drug, techno, eating, physical, mental, etc) not as enticing, needed, created to begin with.
As many things on this world, we are a long ways away from applying what very few are saying, using today.
It seems easier to be ‘someone else’ online than in person, obviously. As we blend these aspect one byproduct along with making our own mistakes will hopefully be a renewed connection with each other.
Standing up to the things I have found important in my life has left me very much alone and frustrated lately. Being mentally and physically belittled, condemned, and stricken to hell for eternity has left me extremely dissatisfied with the life I have created, and the connections with the many fearful confused believers surrounding me.
This is why I have in one regard yearned as of late, to find others willing to connect beyond this rec-hid machine. All was going somewhat swimmingly and thought I had found another to connect with in the physical on their own research and fruition. Though that ship has come and gone and it is time to create new connections and to propel forward with the truth within our world.

Sheila Clark

I know this isn’t any of my business Philip but tomorrow why don’t you drop them off at church and then head out of dodge and do something you enjoy, that makes you happy.

George M

Philip Brandel,

From my own perspective, I have felt as you describe at those times when I wanted others to think as I do. I ended up in a lot of conflict, and was frustrated, mainly because I was outnumbered by people whose thinking was very different and unchangeable.

I instead chose to simply accept the idea that some people arrive at reason through thinking, while others persist in a state of unreason because the world and people around them around them allow them to. When that world changes, as it must, and is, then their ability to live in unreason diminishes.

So I became a lot more patient, waiting for the world to do what I could not, accepting the idea that it was unreasonable of me to expect the vast majority of people to rapidly figure out the errors in their thinking while being surrounded by other people equally unaware, who reinforce them. As a result, my frustration was greatly reduced.

While I find it a bit sad that many people around me value things that are worthless very highly, and devalue things of true worth, which leads them to compound their own misery, I think it would be wrong of me to use myself up needlessly. So I became selective in who I spent time with, and how much energy/help I gave the unhelpable, preferring to just wait for the greatest teacher of all time, Reality, to arrive.

Hope you found some of this perspective helpful in some small way.

Philip Brandel

Hello again George,
Its like it goes in phases for me. First must except and try and understand consciously that it is truly only myself that I must connect with the most. It seems all to often that the connections we loose with each other in some ways obviously begins with the connection we lost with ourselves.
Is hard sometimes to try and stand up in some small way, if only in thought, to the situations around one, when the real things in need of change only stay idle in the individual thoughts, feelings, actions. Stifled by finding a place externally when the one inside is neglected.
You write with a logic that is respectable and I appreciate the warm and thoughtful words George. If only you were one of my neighbors, within the physical:)

Philip Brandel

Sheila,
Not all of us are as lucky as some of you Canadians.
Been in some funny way keeping an hour ticker to the nearest person I have found interested in this info(Billy Meier, etc….) Well, as far as the internet will get me. So far here at MH’s site someone from my home town created an ISIS online petition, pro Billy, when I confronted him, crickets was what I got. Though the hours have been slowly dwindling away….
Not as much about dumping them as is about finding others in my area to connect with and have an engaging thoughtful conversation. Though that will not come with whining and standing idle, as frustrating and expensive as it may be. Not very neutral to stand idle as much as it may sway things for awhile. Most in my life are what I like to call ‘closet’ believers. As they say one and do another based on their own individual created beliefs…. mixed with a little self truth to really get the ball going. Will be ice fishing with a few the upcoming couple of days….. nod their head to your face and fry you over their religious beliefs when you turn around:)
Have a good old Minnesotan fish fry.

George M

Philip Brandel,

What do you mean “in the physical” – what am I, some sort of ghost? ๐Ÿ™‚ I am perfectly real, thanyou. It is everybody else that lives in this little computer contraption like a bunch of genies that don’t come out even when I rub it, or give out 3 wishes.

What you are saying reflects my own process/experience.

First you have a long think, get some good ideas, and communicate them to others enthusiastically, thinking that they will appreciate it. They don’t. You end up having a big fight.

Then you have a think about it (usually while still being mad at the other person or feeling unsettled about their reaction to your well intentioned, well reasoned ideas), and so later on deliver your ideas in a different way. You then end up in fight number 2, which is slightly different to the flavour of fight number 1.

It goes back and forth for a few years while you slowly understand what you are/how you think, compared to what they are/how they think, until you start seeing which ideas of yours are supported by reality, and which ideas of theirs are supported by unreality (unreality being either their erronous beliefs, or people around them who share/support their unreal beliefs).

It was my experience that it was best to be careful, since sometimes, with more thought/experience, you discover that some of your ideas were actually wrong, meaning that you were accidentally doing the other person an unintentional disservice.

Logically it can’t happen any other way, since you can’t see your own errors in thinking, or you wouldn’t think that way in the first place.

I found it best to be very honest about myself, to myself, but selective in which ideas I shared with others strongly, versus which I shared with others in an indirect way. eg if a person strongly believed an idea/point of view that was obviously wrong, I’d say something like “this other person said this, which is interesting – what do you think?” and that’s it. Let them mull it over and either figure it out, which they either will or wont. Sometimes they point things out that you yourself didn’t see.

I found that in the end, I sometimes felt that my own personality split, whereby the super rational thoughtful part of me was observing the other part of me that was doing the day to day living/talking, then analyzing thought/actions later on in quiet moments of reflection, whereby with honesty, progress gets to happen. Being honest about yourself is probably the most difficult part, since you naturally get a bit biased about your own ideas always being right.

Anyway that has been a part of my experience that you might be interested in.

Mait Kingumets

I came across with this:
In terms of profiting it can be that, for example, a human makes a discovery or says or writes something particular, and so forth, which is then captured by another human somewhere in the world by means of fine-matter perception – which is however also possible through the collective subconscious – after which this other human then makes the same discovery or says or writes the same thing, and so forth.
The basis for the entire thing coming about in this sense is that synchronization occurs, for which reason, in this regard, one speaks of a meaningful harmonization between notion and experience, which is also called a synchronistic event.
Source: http://www.theyfly.com/lost/Archives/meiersb38finematter.htm

Klyde Happy

Hi, I tried e-mailing Greer for opinions or information on Billy Meier . Never got response or answer??? He must of been too busy.
I have been looking at the Keshe foundation . I am not sure what to think about this.
It might be a real good thing if it does work , but after all his videos of hours and hours ,there are no real working models. Unless , he hoping someone will make something work for them. Any thoughts on this.
Klyde

adrian martinez

From my understanding of him and his “mission”, if no money is involved then I’m sure he has no time. But if you wanna see moving sparkles in the sky, pay him 2k and he’ll make sure he calls his e.t. friends for some night time lights in the sky!! Oh boy! Sorry… I should be more neutral positive… I just get really irritated by phonies… But that’s my personal understanding of him and his cause. I at first really admired his cause when I initially started hearing about him and his disclosure project… Just more disinformation that distracts the masses from the real deal BEAM contacts… In my opinion that is…

Sheila Clark

One thought on Keshe’s 4 day interrogation, what a bunch of Canadian thugs and thieves who call themselves security forces. It doesn’t surprise me as we know that out police forces are trained by Blackwater aka Xe aka Academi. Shoot to kill, ask questions later.

Sheila Clark

I found it interesting that the patent on the Zika virus is owned by the Rockefeller Foundation.

Andrew Grimshaw

I found it interesting that the powers that be made it mandatory for pregnant women to receive the DTaP/TDaP vaccine at 20weeks gestation.

Eric Stokes

Donating Meier’s books to jail libraries is a great idea!Is the Goblet Of Truth a good book to read if one is just starting to read the Meier information for the first time??