Evidence vindicates Swiss UFO contactee Billy Meier
I’m revisiting this recent blog showing the ineptitude and dishonesty of skeptic Derek Bartholomaus, in order to draw attention to one of the most important pieces of information in it, for those who believed that Billy Meier had hoaxed the photos of the two extraterrestrial women, Asket and Nera.
This information shows the impossibility of Meier having had access to the photos of the two American look-alikes, singers Michelle DellaFave and Susan Lund, since The Dean Martin Show, on which they were performers, ended in April 1974…more than a year-and-a-half before Meier took his photos, in December…1975.
To be clear, while the photos that were manipulated by parties unknown were widely circulated unknowingly as authentic, and only relatively recently determined to be faked, they incorporated Meier’s original, authentic photos of Asket and Nera:
The skeptics claim that the Asket and Nera photos were hoaxed…by Meier. Yet they’ve offered absolutely zero proof. In fact, they’ve never been able to provide evidence that US TV, and The Dean Martin Show in particular, was available in Switzerland, and/or the area where Meier lived, at that time.
The skeptics have never provided credible, factually substantiated answers to these questions:
Where is the evidence that Meier had a color TV at the time and that he would have known about and watched the show?
Where are the German subtitles for a show broadcast in German-speaking Switzerland?
Where are the lines from the cathode ray tube (CRT)?
Where is the reflection of a flash?
How does a camera with a stuck setting for infinity take a clear close up photo?
Why did Michelle DellaFave request, and then go to see Billy Meier, in early 2017, saying that she knew he was an honest man?
The real debate ender, however, is that it’s impossible that Meier hoaxed the photos because, as the documentation in Contact 31 shows, he had photographed them on December 3, 1975 . At the same time, he was informed of the look-alikes in America. When Meier inquired further, he was told by Ptaah that there were reasons why he wouldn’t provide more details.
However, The Dean Martin Show ended in early…1974. The videotapes of the show couldn’t have aired in Europe – for which there is no evidence they ever were – before 1979…which was five years after the Asket and Nera photos were taken.
The fact that the Asket and Nera photos were tampered with – by someone other than Meier – is further evidenced by the photos below. In the photo on the left, we see singer Susan Lund, in the middle, with a collarless top. However, in the manipulated photo on the right, she is, magically, wearing a shirt with a large collar. Since Meier couldn’t have had access to any material from a US TV show, which ended a year and one-half before he took his photos of Asket and Nera, the photo manipulations had to have been done by parties that had access to both the footage of the TV show and Meier’s actual photos of Asket and Nera. (NOTE: Mario Renteria has pegged the collar as belonging to Dean Martin, showing a double-exposure that Meier also couldn’t have made.)
Michael Horn Interviewed by Kevin Randle
Kevin Randle and I enjoyed a brisk and colorful exchange in this interview about the Billy Meier UFO contact case. While he may have been frustrated with my stubborn insistence that he deal – credibly – with Meier’s irrefutably authentic, foundational evidence from 1964, the best that it appeared he could do was to claim that Meier, somehow, obtained a…photo enlarger, in rural India, 1964.
Of course, the next, unanswered question was, “Where and how did Meier get photos of UFOs in 1964 India in the first place?” Regarding looking at those photos for himself, Randle admitted he’d never gone to look at them, despite that they’re still being available in Meier’s photo book in Switzerland. Countless visitors, most of whom don’t consider themselves “UFO researchers” have taken the time and trouble to do so. And Randle clearly didn’t want to hear the opinion of a real top-level military investigative expert, who was quite willing to correct his flawed, inaccurate perceptions.
The inescapably painful thing about the so-called UFO community and its “experts”, and the so-called “professional skeptics”, is that not a one of them ever troubled themselves to go and investigate this still ongoing UFO contact case, now spanning more than…75 years. It’s far easier to “research” a lot of third-hand information, about so-called “UFO cases” (“Roswell”, etc.), all of which are completely absent testable evidence (not even one photograph) and write about it, knowing that it will always be inconclusive, rest on anecdotal hearsay and be completely…dead end.
The saddest part, most pathetic part about all this is how it shows that so many people in this field simply don’t want to find what they claim to be looking for…as I’ve pointed out before.
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Susan Lund top is collarless. It’s Dean Martin’s shirt, it’s a double exposure, I pointed out to that in the FIGU english forum around 17 years ago. However I found several differences that authenticate the Asket and Nera photograph. I sent a message to you in Facebook with some of those differences, but I think you didn’t see that inbox.
Thanks very much, Mario. Please resend via email to me, thanks.
I just sent it again, Michael.
Thanks Mario, I’ll check it out. Maybe a few days, backed up here.
I used to watch the Dean martin Show back in the 1970s never ever knowing or even realizing the Michaelle Dela Fave and Susan lund were the look alike of Asket and Nara. I just never gave the ET issue any thought back then. I`ve always been fascinated by the thought that there are other worlds and other ETs since 1970 but watching the Dean Martin show back then, the issue of Asket and Nara just never entered my mind back then. I only found out about Asket and Nara at the opening and beginning of the Twenty-First Century. Back in the 1970s I wasn`t even aware of Asket and Nara. If it weren`t for computers and the internet I would never have known abot Asket and Nara,now thanks to the internet I`m alot more aware of Asket and Nara,etc,etc,etc.
I seem to remember when I read in the big book Sightings back in 1997 there was mentioned of Asket along with Semjase, Ptaah and Quetzal too warning us to learn the arts and science or face obliteration into self destruction etc.
The video of Edward and Michelle meeting finally after all these years explains alot. People should should take the time and look at it.
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Way to go Michael. They can say whatever they like but you know what the truth needs no modesty.
That interview with Randle was disappointing. Not from your end Mike, but Randle himself, who had nothing to offer but play a game of gotcha.
UFO Industry is dead.
Hi Michael,
On your list of questions for the sceptics: most are very strong, but 2 are not. I remember from my own youth in Germany that extracts from The Dean Martin Show were actually broadcasted in the 70ties, with synchronous interpreting of the voices, thus no subtitles. I have just looked up the details of dates. The first submission series under the title “Larry’s Showtime” happened between 18 January 1975 and 02 February 1978 on Saturdays (unregularly). This took place on one of the two major TV channels of that time – ZDF. I remember seeing Michelle DellaFave, but can’t tell in what year. Chances are that inhabitants of Northern Switzerland had been able to receive ZDF broadcasts, but I am no expert and did not research that fact.
Thanks Stefan for the information. I was unable to find anything except now with your information:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3492894/
Of course, in addition to my other questions – and the obviously manipulated photo the date of which we also don’t know – there are many more factors pertaining to foreknowledge, chance and…motivation to consider. According to the CRs, Meier wasn’t aware of the look-alikes until the end of 1975 and, considering that this was the year that the official contacts began, trying to set up a camera on the chance of catching photos of people he knew nothing about, during the cold Swiss winter, may not have been a priority.
Edward would have had to be watching at just the right time , camera in hand , ready to go, and then be able to erase the lines created by taking pictures of a tv screen. Looking closely , the real asket photo and Michelle photo are NOT the same person. Anyone with a little ocd will notice the small details, the Asket and Nera photo I believe is a picture of two ET human beings. The Michelle and Susan photo is just disinformation to muddy the water. Edward is always proved right, always. Even the late Wendell Stevens came to the same reality after five years of investigations.
…my theory, why there are no lines from the cathode ray tube: someone projected pictures/movie clip on a screen on the wall, and then the photo was taken…
That would mean they would have to have the original film from the Dean Martin Show to project on the wall. Now ask yourself if the network producing the show would have just given that out, without wanting huge sums of money?
Where did that money come from? Surely you can find a paper trail from the Dean Martin Show producers requesting the film and transfer of funds. If you can’t find either, your theory is wrong.
Oh yeah , and the CIA wants us to believe a one armed man with a sixth grade education is a master photo enhancer/technical guru with a camera stuck on infinity. Right. Impossible. Edward is telling the truth, the man took photos of ETs get over it. No other contactee can provide 1/4 of Edwards evidence. When I first saw the Asket and Nera photo I knew in my gut , I was looking at ET human beings not from Earth.
I knew right away too. Asket may resemble Michelle, but her facial features are clearly different. Asket has a softer more calm face–if that makes any sense. It’s hard to explain what I mean, but our faces seem to carry more stress than what appears on Asket’s face. For the casual observer, sure, they will look like the same person, but for those who have the sense to take a closer look, they are clearly not the same person.
Simply put there’s variations in resemblance between respectfully the timar and her tv twin of terra.
Wow what a screeching harpie Kevin Randle is. He is more than just incompetent. Still wouldn’t answer you how the 1964 India pictures were faked. No thanks to any further listening of xzone radio, unless you’re on it Michael :). I’ll take my local rock station any time. On Tuesday the radio announcers were talking about how humans are destroying our eco-systems and how there were too many people on our planet and we need to curb our population growth. Glad to know that mindset to starting to become mainstream. But Kevin wanted to talk about alien abductions because he will automatically believe all those tards with absolutely no evidence, every damn time. Yup a real investigator lol.
Sheila,
Unfortunately, these people are anything but “researchers” and “investigators”. He refused the offer from Joe, the former OSI investigator to discuss the Meier case.The best evidence Randle has managed to post, for all his years of “UFO research”, is here (http://kevinrandle.blogspot.in/2017/11/no-socorro-solution-by-chief-of-project.html).
Really. This is what truth is up against, when this is what people in the UFO community waste their lives on.
Yup Kevin Randle is excellent at endlessly chasing his tail. And Rob’s xzone commercials trying to get everyone signed up for psycho-hypnotic regression therapy which leaves behind false memories so they can continue selling their books that go nowhere and tell you nothing. No thanks.
With all of the hype from Rob, from what I can tell, it’s a hugely low interest channel.
That doesn’t surprise me. It’s not like former cops are smarter or have more investigative ability than anyone else. In Canada they don’t want white cops (this has been going on for 40 years) unless they’ve been grandfathered in (meaning their dad was a cop) and I find those cops that have been grandfathered in are pretty dumb for the most part. So never hold people in “authority” as knowing more than you do.
Sheila, are they actively denying law enforcement officers based on the color of their skin? What is their reasoning and isn’t the majority population white? I understand not wanting people who exhibit a caveman mentality, but to lump all men in the same category is outrageous and illogical.
It’s true Melissa because it’s all about cultural diversity. Canada is about 70% white. Yes it is illogical. When the police came to my husbands’s high school to try and recruit them into pursuing a career in policing, he was told unofficially that since he was a white English male, he was not what they were looking for. That he could apply but probably wouldn’t be chosen. My daughters white boyfriend had the exact same experience about five years ago.
Wow, that’s blatant discrimination and outright wrong. The cause and effect from this will definitely be felt in the years to come. People are getting so tired of the division and chaos that these people in power are creating. Discrimination has always been wrong and I don’t get how they think fighting discrimination with more discrimination will help solve anything.
So from my own experience the white cops who have been grandfathered in (like Rob McConnell) aren’t exactly the brightest.
The division has already happened. When I was a kid the police were your friends and neighbors, you could go to them for anything and they would help you out. Now it’s all about laying as many charges as possible because they have a quota to keep, and no interaction because they think everyone is a potential criminal. But they continue to protect their family, friends, and co-workers.
Hello Michael Horn. Forgive me if I asked the following before or if I’ve missed the information.
Do you have an opinion of Peter Davenport? Does he know of the Meier case? Has he made a public statement about the case. Have you ever had a conversation with him about Billy Meier or sent him any information? Thanks Michael.
Salome, Scott Reed.
As is the case with virtually everyone in the idiotic UFO field, he knows about the case, I’ve sent him info over the years, and I’m unaware of any significant comments from him, etc.
The bottom line is that anyone purporting to be actively interested in the field certainly should know about the Meier case and then the question is: Why are they not focusing on it and instead still yapping about “UFOs”?
Which also includes Richard C. Hioagland. I`m surprised that he is even interstead in the the Meier case even if he isn`t into the spiritual aspect of Cration.
I totally agree with you Michael, Yes I did many years ago see something in the sky I could not explain but I have an open mind and then found out about the Meier case. I do not go around looking for UFO’s or little green men, I think about things a lot more logically since finding out about the case, reading the Talmund (getting around to the spiritual teaching) and thinking well yes the UFO pictures are nice (from a photographers point of view), but its not the real reason the P’s are/were here.
I still go back to the good old film the Wizard of Oz, when Dorothy pulls back the curtain and sees the guy pulling the leavers. This is a great representation of the UFO community, banging on about the UFO in the sky when all along there is the information from BM in plain sight….no trickery…no PAYMENT NOW option its free and you have to make the effort to learn.
Salome.
Gordon
UK.
Kevin Randle’s tenuous opening gambit is that Venus would be impossible for Earth humans to land anything on, despite the Soviet’s doing this with ‘Venera 8′ in 1972. Good start Kev.
In Contact Report 31, Billy further clarifies that Venus’ “…landscape sure looks rugged, however it’s not littered with craters, and though it’s probably of volcanic origin, it’s only partially traversed by half-height, wrinkled as well as diversely shaped mountains and plains”: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_31
Did the other guy with the one matching prophecy, that’s no measure of the ability really, mention the “half-height” of the “wrinkled” mountains on Venus, as even astronomers don’t know this to this day? Kevin and Mahesh will be unavailable for comment on all this the day scientists corroborate that.
As for the Phoenix New Times article, which appears to be crafty Korff writing under a pseudonym, a CNN interview with Dillettoso is mentioned that doesn’t appear to actually exist: http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/the-hack-and-the-quack-6445593
One reason it may not exist is because Jim has degrees from Trinity College-Hartford and the University of Hartford: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jim-dilettoso-19b60310
Kevin also mentions the testing done at De Anza, presumably because Korff did, but, neither acknowledge that, “De Anza employee Ken Dinwiddie… [emphasis] confirmed that Dilettoso had brought the Meier photos to his shop” shows that Jim and Stevens’ did approach many different companies to carry out different tests and worked with many different technicians including at Da Anza to, “…make the bottom of the object appear to reflect the ground below” which Korff implies is evidence of tampering, instead of Jim’s freely shared methodology for testing edges and colour congruence through Sigma Delta readings of other areas in the same tested photo, including, comparing colours from the ground with that on the UFO to rule our compositing effects: http://ufoupdateslist.com/2004/Dilettoso/m09-002.shtml
Seriously, Randle should just stick to Mahesh’s instructional emails as Korff’s info doesn’t constitute having a grasp of anything except the nagging doubt from all the stupid baseless gossip from a proven liar.
Well done MH in giving Kevin the opportunity to demonstrate what an amateur posing as an expert with a radio show sounds like.
…KKKorf is I would say “mentally instabil”, so everything from him is to be taken with this in mind…