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Kal Korff Admits He Lied about Billy Meier UFO Contacts

Claimed that military investigator, Lt. Col. Wendelle Stevens was in two places at once for almost 20 years

As many people now know, Lt. Col. Wendelle Stevens was the chief investigator into the Billy Meier UFO contacts, beginning in the late 1970s. As Ptaah clearly explained, in 1983, as a result of refusing to reveal information to the CIA about the Billy Meier UFO contacts he’d pledged to keep secret, he was set up and imprisoned for five years.

Having slipped into well-deserved obscurity, skeptic Kal Korff desperately concocted a strangely convoluted ruse, with claims so bizarre and incomprehensible that they completely debunk Korff himself.

In recent public attacks against Stevens, Korff , known primarily for his falsified evidence and vicious attacks against the Billy Meier UFO contacts, claimed that Stevens was….in two places at once for almost 20 years. He also attacked Meier, his family and FIGU. Some of this can be seen on the back cover of a supposed book:

Korff’s false claims include that:

1. Wendelle Stevens served 21 consecutive years in prison

2. Billy Meier claimed to have produced a “Pleiadian human hybrid child”

3. There is a “Billy Meier UFO sex cult”

But Korff certainly knew that:

1. MILITARY and public records contradict this claim. Stevens retired from the USAF in 1963 and worked for Hamilton Aircraft until 1972. He began his investigation into the Meier contacts 4 years later. Korff knew that Stevens couldn’t have been imprisoned for 21 years because he was released from prison in 1988 and…actively lectured publicly from 1991 until shortly before his death in 2010.*

2. Meier and his partner have never said such a thing. This is obviously a vile attempt to inflict harm on a disabled person and their family, since their child was born with a brain injury and still requires constant care, even now as a young adult.

3. FIGU operates in accordance  with strict Swiss laws governing non-profits and there is no record of any claims, or action taken, against FIGU regarding any such inane claims from Cambian, Korff and Dawn of ANY kind of “cult” by the Swiss government.

Bad Conscience?

So, why has Korff suddenly, published such blatantly false information essentially debunking himself? Is there something Korff wants get off his chest at this late stage of his life, as a nearly 60 year-old man living with his mother? Have certain parties helpful to Korff in the past turned against him?  Has his conscience finally caught up with him?

He certainly knew that I, and anyone familiar with the facts – as well as the impossibility of anyone being in two places at once for 20 years – would immediately recognize the other information was also false and that the real truth is readily accessible online.

Left Holding the Bag

However, Korff apparently didn’t let skeptics Steven Cambian and Melissa Dawn, in on the ruse, allowing them to also thoroughly discredit themselves by enthusiastically spreading his obvious disinformation. Korff must be laughing at their gullibility and lack of common sense, since they never questioned how Wendelle Stevens could’ve been in two places at once for almost 20 years.

Such is the strange world of mentally deranged skeptics** who appeal to equally disturbed people looking for salacious, tabloid-type content. America has an inordinately large number of confused, damaged and disturbed people for whom the so-called paranormal has a particular fascination.

The Pangs of Insignificance

Charlatans like Korff suffer from pangs of insignificance. Desperate to attain recognition by any means, they find it easiest to attack other people in the most vile and completely undeserved manner.

But now Korff, in a final parting shot, successfully debunks himself and his simple-minded skeptical cohorts, finally finding targets worthy of his nefarious and underhanded tactics.

UPDATE

I posted the two following comments on Facebook, after Mahesh correctly pointed out that “concurrent”and “consecutive” are two clearly different terms:

“I think that’s a fair correction…however the fact is that Stevens served a total of FIVE years, two years less than ONE of the sentences. So, what happened to the other two sentences? Now, while all of that’s very interesting, the fact is that it has absolutely NOTHING to do with the authenticity of the Meier case. Neither do the other two points: the non-existent ‘sex cult’ and the non-existent ‘Pleiadian human hybrid child’.

So why would these misleading claims be raised? Simply because the Meier case has already long been independently authenticated by numerous experts. If one doubts that, let them consider the 1964 evidence, independently authenticated by Joe Tysk, USAF OSI investigator/supervisor.

However, Tysk’s clearly expressed article lays out the protocols that ANYONE can apply. And when they do, they arrive at the same conclusions that Tysk did…unless you’re Mahesh or Kevin Randle, both of who were so incapable of understanding these simple facts that they concocted ridiculous “explanations”that led Tysk to politely label them both incompetent and unqualified as any kind of ‘researchers and investigators’.

And, regarding the 1961 India evidence, it’s interesting that Mahesh, a resident of that country, isn’t more concerned about the fulfillment of the prophecies waning about the dangers of a India-Pakistan nuclear war…and then there’s the matter of a Chinese attack on India that would kill up to 30 million people.

“P.S. To be clear, Stevens served five years in prison. Stating that he served three 7 year sentences is misleading – as I demonstrated – and as was intended. Since the other two claims are simply false, there’s not much else to say. Let the skeptics deal with the facts, starting with the 1964 evidence.”

*Evidence that Wendelle Stevens was making public presentations from 1991 to at least 2008: 

Evidence that Stevens and Bob Brown created the IUFOC in “the late 1980s
1991: First IUFOC w/Wendelle Sevens, witness:
1991: Wendelle Stevens & Bob Dean
1999: Two presentations in 1999 by Wendelle Stevens
2000: Stevens presented at 9th Annual IUFOC
2006: Stevens presentation in Nevada
2007: Stevens presentation Japan
2008: Wendelle Stevens presentation

According to renowned artist, Jim Nichols: “It must be noted however that despite his prison conviction, upon his death in 2010 USAF Lt. Col. Wendelle Stevens was buried with FULL MILITARY HONORS at a ceremony at Ft. Huachuca, Arizona.

It is interesting to note that Wendelle managed to published one of his most important UFO investigation books in 1986; UFO: Crash at Aztec, which contained a cryptic discussion on page 193 with regard to “Discrediting by Defamation”. Stevens observed that with regard to UFO investigation the government never openly charges individuals with leaking information, for such would reveal government knowledge of the UFO issue. However, sex crimes are a ‘most effective weapon for those charged with intelligence damage control and stopping security “leaks” no matter how they occur.’”

See also:

De-programming Billy Meier UFO Skeptics in Three Easy Steps

Clearing the Name of a Good and Honorable Man: Lt. Col. Wendelle Stevens

**Michael Shermer: Skeptic, Defamer…Rapist? Part 2

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Scott Baxter
Scott Baxter
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October 6, 2020 11:57 pm

Yes, I saw Wendelle at a couple of those events, and he was not at two places at once :)…….Yes, I think his conscience may be knocking on his brain, or his mother threatened to throw him out :)…..

Terry Carch
Terry Carch
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October 7, 2020 3:46 am

How can Wendell Stevens or anyone else be at two place all at once? Maby Korob might just be the guy to be in two place at once since Korob`s mind and brain are so currented and muitulated from defaming Billy and our Plejaren Friends !

Rocky Waters
Rocky Waters
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October 7, 2020 11:22 am

Good job Michael. You definitely headed them off at the pass on this new disinfo.

Even after experiencing all that Wendelle didn’t shirk one bit from promoting the case. Legend.

David Hurlbuurt
David Hurlbuurt
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October 7, 2020 11:30 am

Greetings

Wendelle was raised in the honor system of cadets and a full career in the military corps. All he has written can be checked and verified by anyone who would spend the time and money to do so. His books provided data to retrace his steps and ascertain the facts.

Mentally deranged skeptics like Korff have no proof whatsoever and rely on their assertions that something is true or false.

Cough, Korff, Cough. What stupid dead thought germs you spread. Your positives are false, because your thinking is negative.

Kal Korph, It is time to turn to the teaching of Spirit, let go of past false assertions and grow in Truth. Start by reading ‘The Psyche’ by Billy. Other here will advise a books.

However amends must be made – your inner spirit will tell you – to apologize to the public peace you have disturbed since 1995 when you published ‘Spaceships of the Pleiades’

Time to Strive forward, KK. STRIVE.

PIW

Joseph Darmanin
Joseph Darmanin
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October 7, 2020 5:17 pm

I cannot quite understand why Kal Korff says that Wendelle Stevens had spent 3 concurrent 7-year prison sentences when in fact he had only spent about 5 years in prison.

https://www.bailbondshq.com/arizona/azdoc-inmate-WENDELLE/047475

I don’t know, but he could be on the payroll of some organization to spread false and misleading information. It’s either that or he is just plain stupid.

Karl Sultana
Karl Sultana
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October 7, 2020 7:52 pm

I believed Kal’s a liar after hearing Michael Hasemann speak about him: https://youtu.be/twDuzLmjbS4?t=3482

Ewan Freed
Ewan Freed
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October 7, 2020 8:07 pm

Around 2014 I listened to a talk by the author Ben Macintyre about his book agent ZigZag. It’s a biography about a British conman/criminal who’s on the run from the authorities during WW2, he defected to the Nazis as a spy (to save his own skin) and then on a mission he then defected back to the British, he was playing both sides.
The life of Eddie Chapman/agent ZigZag is a remarkable story of wild adventure.
The author said, the story is so fantastic, wild and unbelievable that you couldn’t make it up.
After reading the book I couldn’t disagree, it certainly was a fantastic tail about a character that no author could invent in wildest imagination.
The authors comments stayed with me. In 2017 when I was back on the weed and looking into the new revelations in the UFO world I discovered the story of Billy. I’d been going through a whole host of regurgitated trash on the many same old same old so called exposure “documentaries”. I found a four part BBC radio series looking into the UFO phenomenon I listened through it and the different stories and accounts. One stuck with me. It was the Michael Horn appearance talking about the Billy Meier case. As soon as I looked into it I was struck with this comment “it’s so fantastic, wild and unbelievable that you couldn’t make it up”.
Of course I looked at the debunkers, but as I looked into more and more about the case I realised that there’s only a handful of things which were used by the debunkers and they recycle them and they themselves usually debunk them by not using commonsense or what’s the easiest answer and not what’s the easiest answer out. It seemed that what the Billy Meir case did was spoil the high of the alien hunters, they want a whodunit that never ends and Billy ends it, he spoils the party for them.
Reading through the contact reports I would find something that would make me say, this is BS and then I would read a host of information that was either so detailed or accurate it would outweigh what I thought was BS making the BS more likely to be true.
Why would he make all this up about Gilgamesh with all this detail and then give health advise on glutamate or soy beans , why would he make up details about Merlin and then have to explain to an extraterrestrial about how a clutch on a car works.
One of the first predictions I discovered by accident being proved correct was about AIDS/HIV becoming more deadly, easier to catch, a Google newsfeed article one day popped up from the guardian saying Canadian scientists had made a new discovery(link below). This is happening more and more as I watch the news and see the global politics playing out, smear campaign against Russia getting worse, further threats towards Iran, right wing rising up in eastern Europe and Germany and now everyday there’s more murders being reported in the UK, 2,3,4 a day are showing in the news.
Unfortunately we haven’t acted responsibly and changed our ways for the better and the predictions are unfolding, without a unified people’s we will make the future much more difficult.
The rise in minority groups, X rebellion, BLM, antifa, anti maskers etc etc only lends a hand to fascist and authoritarian control. The best news for the future is we will get there and it will be wonderful and we’ll look back and say what f*** were we thinking, at least now we have evolved so we can jump back in time and start bringing some plants back to regrow the planet and clean it up.
Salome
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2018/jul/27/canada-hiv-mutated-strain-rapid-development-aids-study

ts
ts
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Reply to  Ewan Freed
October 8, 2020 4:10 am

Hi Evan I couldn`t find your instagram website anywhere. Sorry. Salome

Ewan Freed
Ewan Freed
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Reply to  ts
October 8, 2020 7:12 am

@nowhere.with.ewan is my Instagram if you would like to exchange some words. I’m trying my to learn and understand so it’s good to work through things, especially with like minded people.
It’s Ewan not Evan

Al Jedd
Al Jedd
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October 8, 2020 12:24 am

And now, for some of the good news,

https://www.rt.com/usa/502750-facebook-bans-all-qanon/

Salome

Brigitte de Roch
Brigitte de Roch
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October 8, 2020 2:51 pm

A 19-year-old High School graduate is a UFO investigator with a clear opinion that Billy is a Charlatan.

Nasa finds nothing wrong with the clear photos. Yet he dedicates 40 years of his life day in and day out writing and talking against Billy and willfully going after the people who do not share his opinion and show evidence of the contrary.

He clearly has nothing to show for it since he now lives with his Mom.

He did not know what the future was going to hold for him after spending a lifetime of defamation. So, why not undo what has been done? Doing and undoing is still doing something.

He may get the fame he is craving for. He has nothing to lose because he has nothing and does not know what the future holds for him once again.

Brigitte de Roch
Brigitte de Roch
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October 9, 2020 3:55 am

No worries about the change in vocab on this one.

If these people cannot see that the photos are clear and authentic they must have poor eyesight.

Do they need glasses?

ts
ts
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Reply to  Brigitte de Roch
October 9, 2020 11:23 pm

Well Brigette I wear glasses and I can tell you wearing a mask is NO picnic fun at all! I just came home with dirty glasses and just cleaned them off! Trouble is who ever makes these mask don`t think and consider people who have to wear glasses an d at the time and wear a mask too! Yuck!:(((

Melissa Osaki
Melissa Osaki
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Reply to  ts
October 10, 2020 12:36 am

Don’t forget to use your full name, Terry. Put a little Windex on those glasses and you’ll be as good as new.

Terry Carch
Terry Carch
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Reply to  Melissa Osaki
October 10, 2020 4:08 am

Sorry Melissa I just found the glich. I dont know how that happened but I just fixed it. Sorry. Salome:)) PS Its happening again,yikes:((

Melissa Osaki
Melissa Osaki
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Reply to  Terry Carch
October 10, 2020 4:10 am

It’s okay, Terry. I figured something weird happened since you never sign on as TS. Salome

Brigitte de Roch
Brigitte de Roch
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Reply to  ts
October 10, 2020 3:17 am

TS – I was referring to the skeptics who have known of Billy since the 80’s when they were young and had good eyesight. It’s my way of saying ‘can’t you see the truth by looking at the photos. Are you blind?’

I was trying to be polite by asking if they needed glasses.

Now to improve eyesight you can watch the sunrise or sunset for 15 minutes. Then close the eyes by gently cupping your hands over the eyes without touching them. Keep the eyes closed until you see the replica inside of what you saw when the eyes were open. Sungazing is one of the most powerful exercises to train your eyes and improve eyesight. It’s easy and free.

Terry Carch
Terry Carch
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Reply to  Brigitte de Roch
October 10, 2020 4:25 pm

Thanks Brigette. I just wish i lived near the ocean where you can see such beautiful sunrises and sunsets. Salome

matt lee
matt lee
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October 9, 2020 3:47 pm

When you are motivated by money, fame and this intense burning desire to prove a fraud based on hatred and malice, no matter what the truth is, you will always pick on things that confirms your bias and a mind already made up.
Under such psychological state you aren’t interested in what the truth is, all you want is to be proven right anyway way that you see fit so no matter how good the counter arguments are against your conclusions your mind is already, like concrete, made up.
People see what they want to see and I guess in the process they do a lot of damage to other people and themselves in a destructive, ‘lose lose’ situation.
The legacy, if I could call it that, left by Mehesh by his misdeeds is through and through incalculable and destructive as the further he pushes the brakes on the Meier case in India and prevent his fellow indians from accessing the truth as it really is, the bigger the problem for his country that is already reeling from overpopulation and climate and smog catastrophe.
Unbeknownst to him or rather because of his deliberate denials he is preventing his fellow compatriots the mental program necessary for taking the right actions to achieve the right solutions to their problems which is compounding in many ways than not every single day.
So his Trojan horse like action can be spoken of here.

Terry Carch
Terry Carch
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Reply to  matt lee
October 9, 2020 11:33 pm

Here is an article that all should read from GIZMODO that I found yesterday-Climate Change This Year`s hole in the Ozone IsTwice the Size of the U.S. By Dhama Noor Tuesday 11:35am File to OZONE

matt lee
matt lee
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Reply to  Terry Carch
October 10, 2020 4:45 pm

Thanks for the info Terry

Brigitte de Roch
Brigitte de Roch
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Reply to  matt lee
October 10, 2020 3:55 am

Hi Matt –

Thank you for your detailed analysis of these troubled minds. It’s hard to understand they are around Billy because of his non-stop efforts for our current and future survival and the well-being of so so many future generations. I will never understand that.

The consequences of this kind of mentality is not a rare thing to see. In my personal experience, I heard of men giving all their wealth to gurus because they were not free anymore. I saw men cry because they had screwed up. I saw men beat themselves. I saw a professor of Astronomy checking himself into a mental hospital for not having spoken the truth. I heard of military men committing suicide because of having gone to war.

They all had lost their identity. They no longer wanted to live this way and wanted to end it. They could not feel anything anymore neither joy nor pain. They had no connection anymore.

What are these men going to do to change their unworthy and dangerous goals? Don’t they know that everything is documented for all times and what they say and do will not be erased? Don’t they know that the future generations are going to hate them for doing this to Billy?

Terry Carch
Terry Carch
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Reply to  Brigitte de Roch
October 10, 2020 4:45 pm

Thanks again Bridgette. I think this is called the Akashic Records that records everything you say and do. Unfortunately Trump and and his stupid shills and cabals just will never ever learn the values of logic and rules that Creation has taught all of us such as wearing a mask and staying 6 feet or more away from one another. Call it “Cause and Effects. Trump is now a super spreader! He hates doctors,scientistis and he is losing his mind and is becoming very very incoherent and slurs his speech and not making any seance at all! I alwyays thought there was something wrong with Trumps behavior and attitude and the way he acts! "Trump to me is the meanest most selfish human being Ive ever seen so far, even Miitch McConnell is not much better either etc! These religious people and politicians etc are so mean and selfish,all they want is money so they can do what they want and cause more trouble and wars, etc,et,etc! This goes against the laws of Creation and its commandments etc!

Brigitte de Roch
Brigitte de Roch
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Reply to  Terry Carch
October 10, 2020 5:54 pm

Hi Terri –

You are right. By documenting all these skeptics we are also making our own version of the Akashic Records.

Now we have two kinds of records: One Earth and one on the other side.

There is no escaping it!

Salome,

Brigitte

matt lee
matt lee
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Reply to  Brigitte de Roch
October 10, 2020 5:20 pm

Hi Brigitte good point as nothing that we do goes unnoticed as the storage banks are constantly recording and our spirit is nearer to us than our own breath.
I am noticing this phenomenon more so nowadays than ever before in my entire life but I just can’t get away from it each and every day wherever I am and the effect of people with severe ego related issues and psychological problems are astounding.
I shake my head in disbelief at how ubiquitous it really is and that most of the problems I encounter especially at work stems from other people’s egoism and psyche related damage.
As you correctly pointed out people with identity issues don’t really know who they are hence the wild vacillation in their moods and consciousness state as one moment they are Bruce Lee and the next Rambo.
With such inconsistencies and a weak foundation in their being no wonder people cannot tap into their higher selves and mainly revolve around such lowly, infantile, imbecilic, childish and immature selves.
So the outgrowth and the cause and effect of all this is that people having lost and drowned out their moral compass and have essentially their lower level sentiments and impulses that guide their consciousness and mind hence why you see so many pompous and superficial people like the likes of Mehesh and Korffs of this world doing what they childishly do.

Melissa Osaki
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Reply to  matt lee
October 10, 2020 7:16 pm

That is so true, Matt. I’ve also noticed this disturbing phenomenon becoming more and more wildly out of control. It’s like people have completely reverted to using only their primal brain. All their negative emotions and drives have come to the surface while any signs of love, peace, empathy, compromise, logic and so on have been completely buried.

These people are becoming increasingly dangerous and will no doubt be the driving force in the coming chaos and destruction. We’re already seeing the beginnings of this violence and it will continue to grow until we have mass insanity. The remaining sane people will be forced to defend themselves. It’s just as Billy mentioned a while back, the people are going nuts.

matt lee
matt lee
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Reply to  Melissa Osaki
October 10, 2020 11:11 pm

So true so very true Melissa
It doesn’t bode well.
I have seen many movies, docos, TV programs dealing with the end of the world and the apocalypse just in case and frankly even in fictionalised scenarios there are so many tips that you could get.
The group hysteria is such a powerful force that even good, decent, honourable, honest, kind and gentle human beings succumb to the most vile, corrupt, beastial, barbaric and heinous forms of ausartung and Gewalt.
So definitely when such civil unrest foretold by the prophecies does happen you will not be able to trust hardly anyone and if you do decide to save their lives if it comes to that, down the line you will pay the ultimate price with your and your family’s life as these people will eventually turn on you.
Its sad to think that this will be the case but it will be according to how people are primally.

Shiva Balu
Shiva Balu
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Reply to  matt lee
October 11, 2020 2:03 am

These are basically jealous people indulging in vicious gossip and hating people about whom they know nothing about and directing hate towards soft targets.As Micheal rightly said pangs of insignificance is the driving force in such cases.
There is a common saying ‘If you keep trashing something ,it would leave you’
.while the Ps and Billy are not going to be affected by all this, the valuable knowledge they imparted would be lost on people who trash them.

matt lee
matt lee
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Reply to  Shiva Balu
October 11, 2020 7:45 am

Yeah Shiva jealousy is definitely a green eyed monster.
It brings out the worst from people especially for these deadlosses who lack any morsel of decency who are gripped by it.
Such poverty of consciousness and is an accurate reflection of their lack of character.
They mistake trashing other people as work.
Real work involves honest effort which is hard work day in and day out.
If you need to bring others down to feel good about yourself to offset any defect or deficiencies that you may have or to shine before others how much sadder is it that the cheap method in which go about it is the very outgrowth of whatever is deficient within them, which obviously is lost on them, when all they need to do to rectify those inner deficiencies is simply to grow some balls and start acting honourably which will then build real character and hence them not needing to offset, cover up, make up for, hide or suffer from those deficiencies in the first place.
What goes around comes around.
If you keep on habitually negatively reinforce bad habits, in the long run it’ll become part of you and through this neglect you will absolutely become shackled, unfree and imprisoned by these inner forces that eventually take grip over you and your life to the point where it becomes a way of life.
Its a vicious downward spiral.

Shiva Balu
Shiva Balu
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Reply to  matt lee
October 11, 2020 10:04 am

You are so right Matt, You will not beleive the amount of gossip generated in this country People are inquisitive bordering on
indecency. All for something worthless. While their actions indicate no self esteem whatsoever, craving to be a hero is constant.
The only way they know to achieve this is by trashing.

Terry Carch
Terry Carch
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Reply to  Shiva Balu
October 11, 2020 6:48 pm

You are só very right Shiva. Look what Trump did with Kamala harrish,call her a communist! Trump is so out of touch with reality that hell never ever give up being a president no matter what Nancy Pelosi does to invoke the 25th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution! Trump is a child in a grown mans body who doesnt even read the U.S. Constitution and so on and is acting like a baby and just not listening to his doctors,etc,etc,et! As they say in the Akashic Records, if you havent learned your lessons you are bound to repeat your past all over again!

matt lee
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Reply to  Shiva Balu
October 12, 2020 5:11 am

Shiva I think its called meta ignorance where you don’t know that you don’t know.
People being so divorced from reality and from themselves, they lack the basic self awareness to understand what they are actually doing and the consequences of their actions because the intense urge to talk shit about people and gratuitously slander, criticize, and gossip is greater than their ability to shut their gobs for a little while to think carefully about what they are going to say and why before they do.
It mass hysteria of mimicry as all it takes is one person to set everyone else off.

Shiva Balu
Shiva Balu
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October 10, 2020 2:24 am

I was for some reason interested in ufos and crop circles in the 90s .I have watched Dr Steven Greer’s ‘disclosure project ‘which was impressive..He even wrote some good articles. Well after that.. not so much. I also use to look up Colin Andrews site.He always struck me as a person with integrity.His website had a small insert ,.’Read this about 2012 from the controversial Billy Meier,’This was a conversation between Billy and Ptaah that all the hype about 2012 was just for the movie 2012. I started reading theyfly and Micheal’s blog site and the contact reports and realized how fascinating it is beside being very valuable information. I never once doubted this information .
Another person I had listened for only one minute to realize he was phoney was Richard Dolan.

Shiva Balu
Shiva Balu
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October 10, 2020 4:36 am

If everything that we experience is
attributed to causee and effect then
Who is the first offender?

Terry Carch
Terry Carch
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Reply to  Shiva Balu
October 10, 2020 4:46 pm

Trump Shiva! Salome