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The Billy Meier UFO contacts singularly authentic ongoing for 80 years the key to our future survival

How The Black Vault Locks Out the UFO Truth

What happens when anger and immaturity triumph over one’s own commitment to finding the truth 

I recently posted an introductory comment on the The Black Vault, a website created by John Greenewald, primarily about “UFO disclosure”. Since John had received and posted some supposedly important information about UFOs, from the CIA, my purpose was to try to open a discussion with the forum members, and John, about the Billy Meier contacts and its incomparable, independently authenticated evidence.

I first met John about 15 years ago, at a UFO expo in Hollywood. He was in his early 20s and very interested in UFOs. However, I also remember that back then he was, for no apparent reasons, very antagonistic towards the Billy Meier contacts. It was a bit surprising to me but I thought that, over time, he’d do some credible research, outgrow his prejudices and learn the truth.

As I’ve said in the past, based on my decades of dealing with many people involved in UFOlogy, it’s a very unscientific field and, consequently, often a home for those who simply aren’t qualified to do real research, investigation and serious study.

It also attracts those who want to feel self-important, about which I’ve previously written. These people are all too gleeful to be provided with what they think is “top secret” information but which  consistently contains…nothing of unique significance, etc. It’s not entirely surprising, since it comes from those who’ve been directing most of the attacks against the Meier contacts, which are themselves the main reason for the so-called UFO cover-up.

But these UFO enthusiasts and self-styled “researchers” also often lack the intelligence, experience, maturity and/or discernment to see that they’re being played and used for purposes other than revealing the real truth about UFOs and extraterrestrials. Otherwise they’d have long ago been loudly proclaiming the singular authenticity of the Meier contacts.

In fact, once they think they’re on the “inside” with powerful people in the intelligence agencies, they don’t breathe a word about Meier, even if they were formerly outspoken against him. They know that to do so would invite interest and investigation into Meier’s abundant evidence, something which they also know doesn’t exist for any other claimed UFO contacts.

As for John, he’s now in his early forties and, from what I understand, is married and has a couple of children. Oftentimes, being married and having children bestows, or contributes to, a certain maturity and concern for the future well-being of one’s family, something that’s of even greater concern these days, in light of all the challenges facing humankind.

So, I left John a couple of phone messages, expressing my intentions, suggesting we move beyond the past, and offering to answer any of his questions, challenges, etc., about the singular authenticity of the Billy Meier contacts. I also informed him of the, historically unprecedented, 1981 Groom Lake UFO photos I discovered, in October 2020, which show an interaction between an, at the time top secret, US Stealth fighter and a UFO.

Of course, John doesn’t have any evidence remotely comparable to what’s in the Meier contacts, and I was optimistic that he’d be very interested in sharing these unique UFO photos with his readers.

My optimism proved to be unwarranted.

Here’s the brief email exchange between John and me.

From: Michael Horn <pr@theyfly.com>

Date: February 18, 2021 at 1:57:49 PM MST

Hi John,

I left you another phone message today, this is to confirm that you received it.

Thanks,

MH

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From: <john@theblackvault.com>

Date: February 18, 2021 at 4:10:05 PM MST

Dear Michael,

I found it humorous you were talking about “professionalism” in your voicemail. Do you not recall your past blogs and insults about me? You burned this bridge of being able to reach out for a “discussion” a long time ago. I am always happy to have respectful discussion with people I don’t agree with. Sadly, “respect,” is not in your wheelhouse.

Whatever you want, or are selling, I am not interested.

I wish you the best of luck.

Sincerely,

John Greenewald, Jr.

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From: Michael Horn <pr@theyfly.com>

Date: February 18, 2021 at 4:37:40 PM MST

Dear John,

I reached out to you despite your own rather immature, unprofessional and unsubstantiated comments of record here.

It’s also immature and unprofessional to carry grudges about the past, in which your own uneducated assessments badly colored your thinking and contributed to the kind of comments you’re on record as making.

I think if you read the assessment of Joe Tysk, as well as Gordon Cooper and others, and actually read Meier’s 75 year record of impeccable prophetic accuracy, you might be able to move on…perhaps somewhat in awe of the truth.

You may also have to confront your own personal investment in feeling like you’ve been given some actual, important “evidence” from the “authorities”, etc.

Again, I invite you to put aside your ego, your prejudices, ill-formed, unsubstantiated and inaccurate opinions and…find what you claim to be have been looking for all these years.

To not do so doesn’t take anything away from the singular authenticity of the Meier case, nor my own indelible legacy of succeeding to bring it to people worldwide. I’m set. The real benefit now is to you, your family and all the people you would benefit from your being a…big enough person to move forward.

So, there’s nothing to buy because I’m not selling. I’m just offering what you’re looking for and I’m doing so not because you’re mature but because many good people have helped me in my search for the truth. Even though some of them may have also found me insufferable, they too knew the duty that truth seeking persons have to assist each other to find the truth.

That’s it, freely offered, plain and simple.

Best,

Michael Horn (Bio)

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From: <john@theblackvault.com>

Date: February 18, 2021 at 5:24:12 PM MST

No thanks.

Good luck.

Sincerely,

John Greenewald, Jr.

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From: Michael Horn <pr@theyfly.com>

Date: February 18, 2021 at 5:26:03 PM MST

Thanks for going on the record.

MH

 

 

 

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Hisself O'Eire

Michael; Black Vault is filled with crap-no valid search engine, with NO followup

Seems someone lost their mind!

Tony DiGiovanni

So the CIA is

NOTE: Well that didn’t take long did. More unsubstantiated conspira-crap. Not here.

MH

Tony DiGiovanni

It was a little bit angry, I admit. It is your blog after all.

Robert Olson

So sad is this type of reponse given by so many in which you you was simply trying to share pertinent information for mankind. I have noticed something with most is that they will not entertain the BEAM information is because they have a brand of something else they are trying to promote and/or make some money with & the conclude the BEAM information will jeopardize that agenda or income stream.

Christopher Chalfant

You know I could see how John would take these emails as an attack on the ego, but one who has really found the truth would see that a constructive criticism can often be used to ones own benefit, to break one out of the ego and immature attitude one has begotten. I once before had conversations with you Micheal Horn where I felt attacked but I see now that was just my immaturity as well, although I was lucky enough to recognize this and move past that, for the greater good and the real truth. The only great significance about any contact or the UFO cover up as it is called, is the teachings that have been given, rather the knowledge that has been passed on threw Billy. People all to often are star struck if you will with that actual craft (I was one of these people) It was a decade before I ever stumbled into the knowledge part of it all, ie. the predictions/proficies, the spiritual teaching, the teaching of the spirit, the teaching of the life: which is of the real importance and significance for us humans here on earth.

Robert Stewart

It amazes me this culture we have of ego. Self interest and self indulgence however no responsibility.

I would say the body of the Meier work is hard to dispute. Even the nailed on dubious facts have explanations. Not always satisfactory and not to the hysterical ECREE level. Everything must come back to the ordinary if it represents the truth.

I can say that your responses can be prickly Michael. However they are directed to the false views and illogical arguments. Not personal attacks in anything other than the lack of responsibility shown.

For a long time I suspected this was lack of development. In actual fact I suspect now that the negative impulses created by our society are to blame. At the point it is reasonable and the individual grasps the edges of what is there. The negative asserts itself and becomes an irrational response pushing logic aside.

Its good to raise this as I also suspect this is something that the Plejaren will find. These stored emotional and belief based impulses are fighting back. While it doesn’t manifest directly as Meier has found.

You can see it manifest in the responses. It doesn’t matter what is stated “the bridge is burned”. NOW those on the blog can understand a deep breath and logic can overcome this. What we all must realise is for those not actively following creation the impulses forces the belief to the surface. This extinguishes any progress.

It might be wrong but I have seen it when I am discussing the material. It is not within them it is something outside that presses back and allows the individual to cover up the cracks again. It does then get help from within as they check their beliefs and in doing this the new information is discarded.

I think it is a problem. I hope the Plejaren can confirm this in time otherwise our progress will be slow and fraught with danger.

Salome

Stephen Lane

I like the big fat lie on the Black Vault front page. ‘Exposing goverment secrets.’ Then underneath it says ‘Declassified documents.’ They are not secrets then are they Jr. .

If anyone on the ‘inside’ were to leak real secrets, they should be clever enough to not pass them on to such a clown-child who makes a big bright website.

Ned Duke

Sounds like he only trusts the holy UFO scriptures handed down to him upon high by whatever masterful title the Lord and Savior goes by these days like Director, Head of, Lead, Secretary, etc. I guess he must be looking for UFO miracles as well. Maybe one day he will have a story of one that will walk across the English Channel and turn the very air we breathe into bread. Blessed be his name.

On the brightside, with his Black Vault we can start quoting from the Lord himself. After all, he’s outnumbered against the forces of evil probably 8 to 1. Sorry, a million to 1. So, it’s a real miracle in the making so of course it must be true. After all, he puts up an impressive defense against those odds.

PS: Yes, the sarcasm is heavy but necessary since an alleged UFO researcher is more worried about his own feelings because the message wasn’t delivered in a neat present with a bow.

Ned Duke

Thanks Mike.

I don’t understand the disconnect these folks have with the catering and pampering nonsense surrounding some messianic journey in the shadow of the stumbling phantom subject as if we’re protecting a Guru on his arduous journey. We had one person elected alone riding on his messianic horse claiming to be fighting insurmountable odds with puff and bluster, oops, I mean farting and fanning (or was it failing and fury?). To top it off, we have folks that go out of their way to ensure said person can continue to propagate the same nonsense. Somehow, the UFO folks that pander to the same messianic nuthouse shirks any responsibility or involvement doing their part to ensure the Emperor continues to walk around with no clothes and pretend to be fighting phantom wars without experiencing any of the real negatives (like famine, lack of water, thirst, etc). Must be nice to be fighting the fight while in a nice building doing CE5 meditation. Meier lost his arm while doing a real job like driving a bus. The UFO laity seems to get where you’re going and have a problem because then they’d have to be responsible as regular human beings and help fix things or turn around and blame you for doing the same thing.

Anyway, the picture certainly looks like a F-117. Thanks to the last 10 years we have ample footage of one in flight to compare with the picture.

The angular movement or momentum of the craft fits the pictures quite nicely. To my inexpert 5 minute internet search, the plane alone looks like the real deal. How Wendell managed to snag a few without it being confiscated is another puzzle because I’m not aware of the exposure of this craft being common like it was doing flybys for football games in the 90s (unless we’re counting Iraqi Soccer fields in the dead of night). So yes, definitely interesting pictures from Wendell’s archive and what I thought would be provocative for the mere fact the UFO nuts drone on an on about UFOs flying around military bases, craft, or whatever.

Terry Carch

Sounds like Kevin Randle is also spouting the same stupid F117 UFO fraud stuff on c2c every Friday or Thursday even Randle wont even admit that Biilys beamships are the real deal let alone what the Plejarens, MH and Billy are trying so very hard to teach us about the spiritual teachings and so on. Why bother with John Greenwald and others who won`t even admit that there is more to life than lights in he sky fraud which are just military aircraft trying to spy on us all in the first place.

Ella

Backing up lies to gain some sort of twisted self importance runs rampant on this planet. The truth is too close to actually having to own up to realizing how low one stoops for self recognition, in light of knowing the real truth, and the choice for the former. Little men trying to feel big. Cowards – every one.

Jamie butler

Well one thing we know now from B.EA.M is that there are E.T.’s on Earth. That are not necessarily of a peaceful nature and they do work with Earth people.

Melissa Osaki

How about some balance? They aren’t necessarily nefarious. And after 200 years of surveillance, the Plejaren haven’t seen any aggression or evil intentions from them either.

Jamie butler

724 does say something about them not being of a peaceful nature. But also says something about working with Earth people. I don’t remember exactly how it’s worded. But if I got it right there are more than one race of E.T.’s
Also says they have been here along time. Billy seems to know more about them than the plejaren. I guess because of safath.

Jamie butler

I think what he might mean that the Earth people know of them. Maybe not working with them. I had to go back and read part of it. I think that’s what he ment.
But 724 has some wild information in it.

Brigitte de Roch

Ah there you are. I I am going to ask again. Are you the Jamie Butler that does the circus act on you tube talking to Jesus and Buddha? Do you not live in Atlanta and channel Erik? you got his Mom all messed up mentally if you are the one I am referring to. She completely lost her mind now. Because of you she said I was ‘brainwashed’ when I told her about communicating with the dead and sending her Billy’s information.

Jamie butler

I have no idea WTH you are talking about. No I don’t do Buddha jesus ect. I definitely don’t talk to dead people. I also don’t know what channels you are talking about. Long story short. No I’m not that guy.

NOTE: Please see my comment below.

MH

Brigitte de Roch

Wow, the prices used to be $50 for one hour session two years ago now is $680! She is the first one who started channeling the dead and since hundreds of channelers have popped up around the world just from her doing this. I confronted all of them but to no avail as they are in the end, religious. The worst part is that they focus on people who are grieving and take advantage of their sadness.
Also, my posts were removed even though I re-posted them over and over again. I used to get up in the middle of the night to post so that people would have a chance to see Billy’s work!

Brigitte de Roch

Thank you for confirming. The name is the same so I wanted to double check. This person is doing a lot of damage to people who are grieving the loss of a loved one and as a result are distraught, confused and not healed.

Terry Carch

But there are also ETs on earth who are of a peacful nature too here visiting Billy who are trying to help us out too. “Remember what Semjase once said to Billy that there are good and bad ETs everywhere just as there are good and bad people here on earth too.

Gregory Dougall

John is too busy fawning over the super duper top secret CIA files, straight out of the black vault, which is also an apt description of his brain.

I mean, WOW, John. Just look at all the info you can glean out of this amazing declassified super duper top secret CIA photo! I mean, I’m sure you could even write several books about it.

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Ned Duke

This is also done within the civilian market for regular military tech. For example, trying to sell Horten Ho 229 (the flying wing aircraft from ww2) off as some secret stealth aircraft or war winning weapon when wood doesn’t make a stealth aircraft. Also, the aircraft was a hodge podge of wrecks pieced together by essentially the brothers themselves with no real support in order to build the plane of their own design. But, there is a market affixing the ‘secret’ label to things enticing eyes to read on looking for that mystery that the regular military civilian publications are drenched in. Of course, this is part and parcel for suspended reality, oh sorry suspenseful imagination, with no real technical information to be had and only good for entertainment value much like Ice Road Truckers is for the “History” Channel.

Terry Carch

and the Weather Channel too.

Gregory Dougall

OK I have a Sirius question now. If Billy Meier is a hoax, than what is CIA FOIA case number F-2015-00940 all about? I would prefer if Glenn Greenwald would answer me. But if he is too busy, perhaps John Greenewald can answer me instead. I searched the FOIA site and it didn’t show up. A duckduckgo search led to another FOIA PDF that says case F-2015-00940 was opened on 1/06/2015 by Nery Garcia Rodas. The subject line is redacted.

On the Black Vault’s site the FOIA case F-2015-00940 was opened on 1/28/2015 and the subject line is “1BILLY EDUARD ALBERT MEIER/PLEJAREN INVESTIGATION OR OPERATION 1970’S & 1980’S” . Very interesting it uses the word Plejaren.
Would love to see that file if anyone can find it.

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Luis Sanchez

He doesn’t need to ask John. Reference # F-2015-00940 was a FOI, I myself requested at the time. But President Barack Obama back then passed an EO (executive order) in which the CIA wouldn’t disclose any knowledge.

liu

Helo
i come from Hong Kong and just want to ask you three questions

(1)Are there any new witness of Billy Meier cases for these10 years (or from 2010-2021)

(2) Are you (MH) one of the witness of this case?

(3) Any witness of billy Meier sometime appears in this forum
(because i want first hand -information) and sometimes respond posts here

since Billy Meier still met aliens for these ten years, is it possible that some people still can confirm this fact for these ten years ?
i read lot of stuff in Aliens but i am not satisfied most of the information presented are in second hand but not in first hand
thank you for your help

liu

it said up to 2012 (how about 2013-2021)?

ohhh thank you
what did you actually see in the case in Billy Meier?

liu

i actually mean eye witness (i think you understand what i said)?

Matt

Since 2012, there have been, and still are, many eyewitnesses to UFO activity and other strange happenings around Billy Meier’s home, myself included, but what difference does that make to you establishing of this case is real? It would just be someone’s testimony and people can lie, so what?

No. It’s not that easy to prove this case to yourself, although there are no other pre-digital UFO photos from the 60’s-80’s that come anywhere close to the clarity and significance of Meier’s hundreds of photos. Finding the truth to this case is a journey of knowledge that gives a thousand times more back than it takes in effort to go through and read. Even if you were sipping Tea with Billy and saw UFOs flying all around, this would not substantiate the case, although it would be pretty impressive. You have to approach this case like serious researcher or investigator, have fun with the information and also get lost in it at times, like someone who truly cares for the truth and has the courage to find and accept it despite all the nonsense that’s promoted in the world today.

Gregory Dougall

Hi Liu, I am a FIGU passive member and get quarterly FIGU newsletters delivered to my home. I have spoken to 5-10 of the eye witnesses myself. I am also friends with someone who photographed two different kinds of ships just a few years ago. There are usually one or two recent eye witness statements in each mail package. Usually it is in German only. I will give you two examples. March 2021 edition Wassermanzeit (WZ) Nr. 198:
Foreign flying object over the Center, page 15, by Karin Wallen.
Sighting Report, page 29, by Jacobus Bertschinger.
You would have to go to
https://www.figu.org/ch/
and look at (Newest periodicals), (Neueste Periodika), download what ever is free, copy and paste it into a language translator, like https://www.deepl.com/translator , and read. I can tell you there are several sightings a year that are recorded and written down, usually of different UFOs and ships sighted in the sky. The people who live at the center don’t have to prove anything to anyone, but they write about some of the sightings because others who don’t live there like to read about it. There is any eye witness story here from March 14th, 2002. https://billymeier.wordpress.com/2020/05/09/that-which-we-witness-we-are-forever-changed-by-and-once-witnessed-we-can-never-go-back/
This eye witness report was from multiple people who live near Billy Meier but they were skeptical of him and never believed him, until they saw a ship up close. So to answer your question, there are probably 50 to 100 witnesses from 2010-2021, but if you want to read them, you have to dig through the FIGU newsletters, or go to Switzerland and talk to them in person, after the Coronavirus problem is over. You could probably make a book out of all the sightings reports. But again, no one really cares that much because the case was proven real more than 40 years ago.
Most of the eye witnesses only see the UFO ships. But perhaps up to 9-10 people have seen or come in close contact with the ETs. For example, Phobol Cheng, Elsa Schroeder, Jitschi Ustinov, Kalliope Meier, Robyn Foley (FIGU special bulletin 64), Horst Fenner, a guy that saw Andron, the guy who spotted Quetzal in the car headlights, the guy who walked or drove his car into the force field, the woman who walked close to Ptaah at night, George Adamski, (CR 349), Ernst Stuhlinger, the guy on the submarine, and now Wendelle Stevens. So right there from my memory there are 12+ examples of witnesses being up close to the ETs. What other UFO case in the world can say the same thing? Then you have one of the women in the center recently hearing one of the male ETs talking to Billy in the room. I think another woman hearing one of the male ETs talking to Billy on the phone. There are too many stories to keep track of. Too many witnesses, including several more of those in the link above that see something but never say something. I hope this helps answer your question and I hope you find what you are looking for on the FIGU website newsletters, reports, and bulletins. Since you are from Hong Kong you may also want to check out https://billybooks.org/ which is based in Hong Kong.

liu

very clear
thank you
could you estimate how many eye-witness for the case of Billy Meier for all the times (from ~ to 2021)

Terry Carch

That is why the plejarens will never ever reveal and show themselves in person due to all theses stupid god believing religious structures that are so ingrained in the psyches of these “narrow-minded-savage-earthworms!”