UFOs have long been considered a fringe topic and attempts to present credible information have been largely marginalized by associating them with all the cranks and crackpots who fill the pages of tabloids. While most of the marginalization, disinformation, etc., has often come from governmental, media and/or intelligence groups, the greatest enemies of the truth – and by that I mean the Billy Meier case and its invaluable information – are mainly from two other sources.
Among the main opponents to the dissemination of the truth are those in the scientific community who often publicly proclaim their sincere interest in seeing evidence of extraterrestrial life, should it exist, but who behave quite differently when confronted with what they ask for. (I don’t include the professional skeptics as major obstacles since they are effectively just another religious group that has declared that their version of reality needn’t be troubled by scientifically verified evidence that contradicts it.)
The other, and even more damaging opponents, are to be found in the so-called UFO community, or more accurately, “UFO industry”, a basically profit motivated, self-serving conglomerate of various groups, self-proclaimed “contactees”, various charlatans and “abductees” and those who specialize in covering UFOs, the paranormal, etc. The fact that there is almost no actual, verifiable, uniquely valuable content presented by the aforementioned not only doesn’t stop the charade, it almost guarantees some level of success for those who jump on this most undiscerning bandwagon.
Here are two recent examples of the above that show why contacts with human beings on Earth – other than with Billy Meier – are extremely unlikely to occur for a very long time.
Would You Be Surprised?
A scientist named Paul Davies makes a point of expressing his interest in the possibility extraterrestrial life. In fact, he lists these topics as “Core research themes at the Beyond Center”:
- The origin and end of the universe
- The origin of life
- The search for extraterrestrial life
So, would you be surprised to know that after sending him ample links to the scientific information in the Meier Case, a copy of “as the time fulfills”, and a request for us to present the information through his program, that the answer we received from his publicist was, “I spoke with Paul Davies about your request and he has asked me to relay his regrets. His interests and expertise do not extend into this area.”?
Of course I informed him that it is my area of expertise and that the response contradicted Paul Davies’ published statement:
Hi Skip,
Thanks for writing. I can understand that his expertise isn’t in this area but mine is. As for his interests not extending there, well, I did notice on this page that the very specific subject/s that we present on is/are mentioned. (Pardon me but while I’m a researcher, finding that contradictory information didn’t really take much effort!)
As you may imagine, after 34 years of research into the subject, taking on and defeating the top international professional skeptics, it’s also not a surprise to me when those who profess (and publicly state) their interest in the topic on which I am arguably the world’s leading expert instead shy away from confronting that which they are not…experts on.
(There are some highly credible scientists, such as David Froning, who’ve shared the stage with me and publicly stated their support for the Meier case; quite a courageous thing for him to do.)
So I guess I’ll have to remain skeptical of the interest that Dr. Davies professes and figure that he too wishes to just play it safe. However, when we do have a presentation locally, we’ll let you know and perhaps he’d consider attending and “taking a look through the telescope”, kind of like what Galileo was asking of those who already had their minds made up.
Best,
MH
While some may say that it wasn’t diplomatic of me, and that now we certainly wouldn’t be invited by him to make any presentations, speaking the plain truth is more important than worrying about people’s inconsistencies…or egos.
While we don’t have any credentials, we’re thinking people who’ve troubled ourselves to delve into the most fascinating story, filled with volumes of invaluable information, and we share it willingly with those who are interested, taking all questions, challenges, etc. And what better place to explore the Meier information than in an educational setting?
“The World’s Leading Expert on UFOs”
I recently posted a promotional article for college and university presentations that my wife Amy and I plan on making in the coming year. I, er…modestly referred to myself as The World’s Leading Expert on UFOs. Not completely unexpectedly, I received a bit of a cynical response from a person who claims to be a…UFO researcher and writer.
Since it’s quite easy to think that I’m exaggerating the level of difficulty in bringing the Meier information to those who one would think would be the most hungry for it, I am copying below an email exchange with the writer, Lee Speigel:
Hi Lee,
I’m glad to answer the question for you regarding my expertise.
First, since the Billy Meier case is the only scientifically proven, still ongoing (over 70 years!) UFO (extraterrestrial) contact case, the only possible expertise, of any real value, would pertain to someone knowledgeable about it.
Now, before continuing, let me be perfectly clear in stating that Meier himself is the single most knowledgeable person regarding the subject matter, as he has had ongoing personal experience (being in these craft, etc.) for almost 70 years. Next, there are certainly people in FIGU – and even in intelligence circles who have access to the best German to English translators for acquiring all of the information in the Meier transcripts, books, etc. – who probably know even more about the information than I do.
That being said, since none of them are appearing publicly, doing interviews, presentations, etc., I would be the public person most knowledgeable on the matter. I full well know that I am not appreciated by those in the “UFO industry” and the delusional “exopolitics” group, i.e. those make a living rehashing dead-end stories about Roswell (and/or any other “UFO cases” for which not a scintilla of verifiable and/or uniquely valuable evidence or information remains), those who are carrying on about non-existent “alien abductions”, or those who are claiming – FALSELY – to be “UFO contactees”, etc.
There isn’t a single person in the UFO industry who would actually take me on, either about the unique authenticity of the Meier case, or putting their “case”, knowledge, etc., against mine…including Stanton Friedman. And yes, any and all, including Stanton (who happens to be a genuinely fine person, so I’m speaking only professionally) are free to take me up on a public debate, etc.
So, while this topic, this industry is bread and butter to the majority of those who ply their trade, it’s something of far greater importance to me. And, while I have two very clear examples of personal evidence that the Plejaren are quite real, I don’t try to pass myself off as a contactee, unlike each and every phony who makes such claims, none of whom have been within 20′ of a (Plejaren) craft, nor have they verifiable evidence that they received information unknown to anyone at the time that proved to be 100% accurate (and, in my case, prevented Meier and me from falling into a rather nasty trap by one…Kal Korff).
Unfortunately, like so many other things in daily life, this field suffers from foolish competitiveness, envy, arrogance, etc., as the majority of “UFO followers” would prefer to argue about things of which they are ignorant, indulge in every senseless fantasy and busy themselves with ANYTHING but the only verifiable and valuable UFO case in the world…which also happens to be the most important story in human history.
If, instead of parading their ignorance and envy, they bothered to delve into the highly pertinent information – the prophetic warnings from Meier – that are being fulfilled right before our very eyes (including Russia’s very open military moves that are unfolding just as Meier warned about…in 1987) perhaps much grief could still be avoided.
This gift to humanity, the Billy Meier case belongs to everyone who is receptive to looking into it for themselves. At the very heart of this information is a teaching of complete and total self-responsibility for our every thought, feeling and action; that alone is sufficient to puzzle the average escapist turning to “UFOs” as a diversion from such self-responsibility (and self-honesty).
Yes, I’m the world’s leading expert on UFOs (or, actually, IFOs, Identified Flying Objects, as I recently told the very enthusiastic audience in Hong Kong). But I, and all directly concerned in this matter, would welcome more and more people who are qualified to present aspects of this information, in all countries, venues, etc.
So, the opportunity to stop chasing lights in the sky, pandering to delusional persons, focusing on solely commercial concerns, etc., has presented itself…for those who have the interest, courage and integrity to pursue and take advantage of it.
Please feel free to share your comments, questions, challenges.
(Lastly, I’m responding to an email with a lot of CCs, which I have made BCCs, so if you want to be removed from this correspondence, first, please contact Victor and also let me know so that I don’t include you in emails that are my responses, etc.)
Sincerely,
Michael Horn & Amy Horn
Co-Producers
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Well Lee, now that you have the answer…what will you do with the information? Certainly you won’t be wasting your time writing any more about imaginary “aliens”…right?
Of course you are free to try to refute what I’ve stated. You can try to show why stories about Roswell (and other zero-evidence “UFO cases”) have any importance other than to divert people’s attention from the information in the Meier case…and provide “careers” for people who have nothing else to do.
Have a go at it and let’s see how strong your arguments are, as well as how deep your knowledge and personal conviction to find the truth is.
MH
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Hmmm, what are you talking about? You’re baiting me to try and challenge you on something? When you suggest that I won’t be wasting my time writing any more about imaginary aliens…what imaginary aliens are you referring to?
Because there are probably a lot of people out here in the real world who might suggest that it’s YOU who are wasting your and everyone else’s time with imaginary aliens.
Since the aliens that you’re familiar with seem to prefer to only show themselves to and communicate with one or two individuals on this entire planet, that certainly doesn’t speak to credibility — yours or theirs (but your aliens probably don’t care, anyway).
If they’re not willing to “out” themselves to the entire planet — thereby really impressing everyone on the need to live a harmonious existence as a planet of real brothers and sisters — then their motives (and, of course, yours) are completely suspect.
But, please, don’t let my words dissuade you from your personal cause. It doesn’t matter in the long run. Whether your alien friends are more real than anyone else’s isn’t at issue at all. What is at issue is who will ultimately be proven to show the most honest, credibile presentation of extraterrestrial visitors to planet Earth. And, in the end, it’s all up to the agenda of those visitors — it has nothing to do with any of us living here.
L
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You’re either a serious investigator/researcher/journalist regarding this matter or you’re not.
The fact that you write such non-specific replies – when I virtually flood the world with voluminous amounts of specific, irrefutable, ironclad proof of Meier’s contacts – doesn’t reflect thoughtfulness on your part. Honestly, have you ever looked at the voluminous amount of evidence and information I’ve posted? Do you have any idea about the information pertaining to how we can actually attain peace – and solve so many of our problems – that has been offered by the Plejaren and published by Meier?
In fact, the Plejaren have effectively communicated with any and everyone in the world who really wants to receive their information!
Now, unless you do see this only as a safe “career”, a way to talk about things for which zero actual evidence exists/remains (Roswell, Roswell, Roswell, etc.), I say why not have a real dialogue about it? This isn’t about “baiting”. It’s about trying to find creative ways to engage those who claim to be vitally interested in the topic…and the actual reasons that extraterrestrials are (in Meier’s case) actually contacting us.
The truth is that showing “the most honest, credibile presentation of extraterrestrial visitors to planet Earth” has everything to do with us…it’s not up to the ETs. Over 1,300 people in China are already pretty clear about that.
It would be nice to know that you’d be up for a real dialogue about this. It could actually help to further the things that concern you and me alike…like peace on this planet.
Why not forge a new approach? Either the Meier case really is the most important story in human history or it’s the biggest, most impenetrable hoax. I’m prepared to make my case for it, are you up to it?
MH
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Michael,
The fact that those ET visitors are only contacting the human race through one individual instead of en masse is what makes the Meier story non-credible.
If those ET visitors really want to have an impact on Earthlings, they need to truly show themselves. There’s no other credible way for the people on this planet to “get the message.”
It’s that simple. Either show yourselves and let’s have a mutual planet-to-planet relationship, or please just go away and try to enlighten the inhabitants of another planet. Really…enough is enough.
Anybody can create flying saucer models…anyone can produce volumes of supposed ironclad proof of ET contacts…people have been trying to do that for decades. If the visitors don’t realize they’re going about it the wrong way, then they’re not so advanced as you and Meier would try to have us believe.
Why should I have a dialogue with you about all of this when it would be much more credible and important for me to have a one-on-one dialogue with one or more of the visitors? For someone in my profession who actually has the ears and eyes of a huge readership, that would have more of an impact than just talking with one of the ET Earthling representatives.
Tell your Plejaren friends I could offer them far more planetary acceptance if they would consider talking to me. But, ahhh, of course, that will never happen. Because they don’t exist and it would take all the fun away from you and Meier trying to maintain control over those who happen to believe you.
But, on the off chance that I’m wrong, I say again: arrange for me to meet them. What possible harm could that bring? If that’s not something you can work out, then there’s absolutely no reason for you to even respond to this email.
LS
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Lee,
I think it’s actually you who are baiting in this exchange. If you actually knew anything about the matter – as I’ve already stated – you’d have a more thoughtful response.
Unfortunately – and I really hope you can see and understand this – you’re doing exactly what doesn’t work in human relations, terrestrial or otherwise i.e. you’re saying unless you have it your way, unless your criteria is met then the case itself, the Plejaren and the value of one man’s 70 years of work…are irrelevant.
Please, please try another standard of proof…so as not to insult anyone’s intelligence.
I have my own personal evidence that the case is real and I generally don’t even refer to it because it would be considered anecdotal…even though it’s quite well documented. But the ironclad scientific corroboration of Meier’s information is not anecdotal. Are you even interested in it, do you even want to know the answers to the questions that you’d ask the Plejaren…since they’ve almost certainly been answered already?
Or does it have to be all about…you?
MH
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OK, Michael…this will most likely be my final communication with you…
That being said: Yes, you’re quite right — I AM baiting you in this exchange. Baiting you to arrange for me to speak with a Plejaren. And yes, I DO know a little about this topic, because I’ve had a very close encounter with something otherworldly — it happened in 1975 when astronomer J. Allen Hynek sent me to rural North Carolina to be involved with a very special and close-up UFO experience…and three years later, I gathered together Hynek and other scientists and military personnel for the only serious UFO presentation to occur at the United Nations. Yes, I know a little of what I’m talking about, so in THAT respect, once again, you’re right: it’s about ME.
I don’t need another standard of proof, as you say. What I do need is a stronger sense of credibility in this whole Meier case. And the only way that can happen is for me to have a one-on-one “interview” if you will, with a Plejaren — it’s what I do and I do it well, so I can’t accept any other method of promoting the Meier story. But maybe he and you don’t need any further promotion, and that’s fine.
All I’m asking is that you simply ask the Plejarens to give me a few minutes of their time. What harm could come from that? But you don’t seem willing to even try, and I can only wonder and assume why.
Again, if you can’t make that simple request become reality, please don’t respond to this email…we’d just be wasting each other’s time.
L
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Lee,
I’ve had seven UFO sightings myself, I was within 20′ of a small Plejaren craft in Brazil. So UFOs are not of particular interest to me, honestly, believe it or not. I’m into the reason, the content…aren’t you?
If you do choose to read the transcript of the information provided to me by the Plejaren, you may also perhaps understand that it was given to Billy for me…since the Plejaren don’t talk directly to anyone but Meier. Not even his family. Not even the people who’ve worked with him for over 30 years. And not me with my 34 years into the case.
So, if you can lower the volume on your ego demands, and if you really want to find the truth, then swallow your pride and do as…I and many, many other sincere truth seeking human beings are doing. You can use the opportunity to challenge the claims I represent and let your readers decide how well they hold up.
So, if you want this to be the “final communication” then let it be that and let it be the evidence – in your own words – explaining why you are dodging and avoiding really looking into the matter…unless you get it your way.
MH
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Of course one can draw their own conclusions but as my wife Amy pointed out, if Lee was indeed as special and important to the Plejaren as he believed himself to be….wouldn’t they contact him?
So, by petulantly refusing to discuss the Meier case with his readers because he couldn’t get his way, another “UFO researcher” gives us a text book example of how selfishness and egotism suppress public access to the Meier material.
No wonder that what does get into the mainstream about UFOs, by writers like Mr. Speigel, render it a fringe topic and that contact with Earth human beings by extraterrestrials is unlikely for a very, very long time.
One of the best articles Michael has posted. Please read it again carefully. Some people are quick to judge.
Michael Horn, I am trying to share my story with you, however I have not heard anything. If you believe the TJ then you should also believe I actually exist. I will take it somewhere else if you are not interested. I just thought it would complete the rest of the story if you knew what was going on from my end. So send an email or send a friend request so we can get the rest of the story on the books. As you may or may not know, reincarnates look the same each time. I know the other apostles also. I have pictures and there are things you don’t know that you will want to know. Truly if I was a dumb hoaxer then you would know from the pictures. This a larger story then you think and Jmmanuel is or was my father so are you in on the biggest story since Billy or not.
Matthew
Count me in the “or not” category.
These situations that you find yourself in over and over with the media community are sadly laughable.
When ignorance and the furthering of power is no-longer supported monetarily, religiously, academically the spirit teaching will gain ground at a faster rate. The seeds that you have planted over the years will finally take to the sky.
Once people get over what “scenario” will make them special in their ego driven delusional state. Once they no longer sell their learned consciousness-driven existence to labels ie. priest, doctor, god, alien, etc. Then they will find a whole new perspective in the annals of true freedom. Then they will be able to comprehend the truth about creation from any source be it that of a simple rock or the space between.
Keep up the good work!!!
Well said Nathanael, very well said indeed!!!!!
It is an amazing thing,too observe the primitive human ego, I am no exception, however, I am aware of it and trying to work on it. What makes an expert an expert ? Why just ask them they will tell you just how wise and knowledgible they are, not some much with their words, but, rather with their actions. Personally I review Billy Meiers’ words and information,the teachings and the prophecies are the most important part,I am still choking on trying too swallow my ego, but hey I am working on that. There are too many experts in this world ,and, their only credential is that they tell you they are, but cannot enlighten more than the very dim and sputtering torch they carry and the fuel is running out. The fuel that Meier presents is almost overwhelming and continues too grow. Based on that I will cast my vote to Michael Horn as the leading and possible only expert,The english speaking world is likely too get for a long,long time.
oil of oy veys mere!
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Not too long ago I had a difficult time either not feeling frustrated, or not hurting myself from uncontrollable gut busting laughter, after reading your blog posts regarding the so called experts, and skeptics and their seemingly designed ignorance/arrogance. I want to thank you Michael, for helping me with this dilema, as I have much more of a neutral positive reaction these days, and even more respect for you and what you are and have done for me, and humanity in general, when it comes to utilization of logic and reason. I must agree with Raybeam as well Michael, as this may be the best post I have read so far. I still have hope to be able to thank you in person one of these days.
Hi Allen,
And thanks for reminding me to have some laughs about this whole matter.
MH
Hi Michael and Amy,
You guys are not going to like my feedback. Of course you guys won. But you are handling these so called big wigs wrong. You assume these people are practicing the Spirit Teaching and are becoming reasonable. These people are religious and full blown materialists, period. You should not be forcing them to conform to the Spirit Teaching. Give them what they want.
I think you need to go more business when your dealing with them. Even act vulnerable to their ‘greatness’ and let them think they can take advantage of you. Then when you get behind the camera or mic, take control and go where you want. Pull a Romney, sorta. But in a nice way.
We’re not assuming any such thing, never mentioned the spirit teaching. We may only perhaps assume that a scientist, who professes to be very interested in “irrefutable evidence of extraterrestrial life” and a writer who professes to be serious “UFO researcher”, actually meant what they said and how they represented themselves.
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And it would be dishonest and deceptive to portray ourselves as other than we are for the sake of any “exposure”. There’s no shortage of people who think they can take advantage or prove their superiority (like the daffy skeptics) but who actually do themselves in, with as much help as we can provide.
Okay Michael,
“Assuming” is not the right word. More like, since you are a student of the Teaching, you automatically approach things spiritually, even communicating with big wigs. I’m not asking you to be deceptive! I’m suggesting that you act like a chameleon.
Please make specific suggestions how you would communicate/handle the situation.
Michael,
Are you serious? What part of acting like a chameleon is difficult to see. And by the way, a chameleon doesn’t change his colors to attack or take advantage of another; he does it for defense and survival. You know martial arts. This should be clear.
Schooling big wigs in the UFO community on Billy Meier and real aliens???? Honestly, where did you think this was going to go? When people are forced fed food they don’t want to eat it. That’s what you did.
Michael, you know as well as I do. The people have to come to the Spirit Teaching, not the Teaching to the people. That would be missionizing. Now this guy is more turned off the Truth because of your exchange.
Michael I support you. You wanted feedback. I never try to give people what they want to hear; I try to give them what they need to hear, from my observation.
Kind regards,
Anthony
Anthony,
There are two people who I addressed in this blog. One was a scientist whose page states his interest in examining things pertaining to extraterrestrials, as I noted. For instance see:
http://www.amazon.com/Are-Alone-Philosophical-Implications-Extraterrestrial/dp/0465004199
…and also do a search on something like:
dr. paul davies irrefutable evidnece of extraterrestrial life
…and find things like:
“He is Director of the Beyond Center for Fundamental Concepts in Science and co-Director of the Cosmology Initiative, both at Arizona State University. Davies’s research interests are focused on the ‘big questions’ of existence, ranging from the origin of the universe to the origin of life, and include the nature of time, the search for life in the universe and foundational questions in quantum mechanics. In astrobiology, he was a forerunner of the theory that life on Earth may have come from Mars.” (http://www.ufodigest.com/article/dr-paul-davies-critique-–-part-1)
I’d say his contradictory response and avoidance warrant a…non-chameleonic response. And really, should I AVOID contacting a guy in the SCIENTIFIC community who hangs out a shingle like that?
We won’t mention Lee Speigel in the same category as Dr. Davies, so no point in including him in this.
Where did I think it was going to go? Right where I sent it. And any and everywhere else that it now proliferates BECA– — — USE of the non-responsive response, which gave little old me a chance to throw some stones in the puddle and cause more ripples. Heck, YOU wouldn’t even know about this if I hadn’t made the “mistake” of “force feeding” someone something that they…SAID they wanted.
WE don’t know if he’s “turned off to the Truth because of” my efforts…which actually began at the beginning of September when I first emailed his office, and continued with follow up emails and calls and responded to their INVITATION to send our film.
So, in a martial arts sense, I not only put energy forward but I..redirected what came back to me. I multiplied the “energy” of the brief, dismissive comment, put it on this blog, on Facebook, Twitter, etc.
Again, in our little universe of cause and effect – and paying attention to the might of thoughts – instead of worrying about “changing my colors” I simply expanded my palette. And probably put even more poseurs and phonies on notice that they should hang up on me quickly or risk a conversation with ramifications they hadn’t thought of.
Now feel free to explain what you would have done, as specifically as possible.
“…should I AVOID contacting a guy in the SCIENTIFIC community who hangs out a shingle like that?”
You are a public figure. You have a website and blog. You have made movies. YOU ALREADY CONTACTED HIM. It’s his problem if he does not get the message.
Michael, if nothing I’m saying is making sense then shrug it off. I could be the one who is wrong here. Personally, I think you need to STOP being this Billy Meier crusader; and stop trying to bully the retards into understanding.
1. Continue to make more films. Flood the market with good material; and even produce things under an alias (Think McCartney doing the Fireman), that touches on important Figu concepts, but does not say Billy Meier, to try and appeal to the mainstream UFO crowd or an entirely different target market.
2. Stop pointing out to these mainstream UFO people what they are doing wrong, and start pointing out what they are doing right. Try to get on their good side and in their graces so that you have opportunities to work with them in a public fashion.
3. Create more media forms, experiment. Focus on your organization, not what ‘they’ are doing. Stop contacting these unreasonable people and focus your efforts on breaking into the mainstream arenas with your own merits rather than ‘their’ lack of merit. The best way to win over more people is to produce something that goes “Big Time.” That should be your goal.
Anthony,
We agree on this, “It’s his problem if he does not get the message.”
So, were people like Galileo, Paul Revere, the guy who pounds on your door and tells you your house is on fire – or anyone else who really cared to wake up those who may want the OPTION of knowing the truth – also “crusaders” who were “bullying” others?
1. An alias, you mean like an internet…screen name? Don’t we have enough people who won’t stand for anything doing that now? And just what “FIGU concepts” would you like to bring to people’s attention…without crusading and bullying of course?
2. Help me out here, just what are the “mainstream UFO people…doing right”? So, pander to people who babble about what they know NOTHING about in order to have them grant me the opportunity to…put them out of business? Uh, can you see just WHY they want to avoid the Meier case, and, certainly me, like the plague? (I suggest that you watch some of the IUFOC presentations where I called out Michael Salla, Paola Harris for their support of the liar and criminal “Alex Collier”…which was the beginning of the end of my appearances in UFO events.
3. We create “media forms”, i.e. films, blogs, articles, press releases, DVDs, etc. If billing oneself as “The World’s Leading Expert on UFOs” isn’t focusing on my own merits…what is? If you have specific suggestions, assistance, etc., for taking all of these things and ” breaking into the mainstream arenas ” with them please offer them. And, without crusading and bullying (and LOTS of money) how do you “produce something that goes ‘Big Time'”?
Back at ya!
“Back at ya.”??????
I get the sense that you are right. Okay, you are right. You are marvelous. Keep up the good work.
Happy????????
Paul Revere? There is no emergency! There is no crisis. Billy Meier is well established on the Internet. You know this. WTF are you doing? You act as if this Davis guy has never looked at Billy Meier before you came along. This guy looked into it and has made up his mind, for either a religious or materialistic reason — period. This is all I’m going to say. I not doing your e-mail blaster matches. This is the problem. Don’t you see? This is going nowhere. Does any of this at all seem familiar?
You think you need money to make it big time? I thought you where smarter than that. Have you ever been to fkn Youtube? Have you heard the term video viral
How about “Truth TV” show where you and your wife go out and interview the public. Here is your pilot. Ask people: “What do you think the meaning of life is?” You put that together along with your pro Figu commentary. You don’t mention UFOs. You don’t mention Billy Meier. You come across cool and trendy. You do future shows where you ask random people from all demographics, “What is religion?”, “Do you think the Earth is Overpopulated?”, “Do you think God is real?”
How much more of your homework do you want me do you for you, Michael my friend?
Weeeeeeell,
I don’t know about you but I…also don’t know just how long I have to keep doing what I do. So I keep on keeping on.
I’m not sure what “Billy Meier is well established on the Internet.” is supposed to mean. The internet has a zillion different things on it and many people still haven’t heard about him. As far as I know – based on emails and phone calls to both his secretary and his press person – he hadn’t…and it’s Davies, not Davis. Now perhaps you’ll also tell me how, “This is going nowhere.” I find that the darndest things catch people’s attention.
As far as youtube is concerned, while I hardly equate it with the “big time” I guess the question is, have YOU ever noticed the numbers here:
Over 300,000 views and, can you imagine that, the whole world still doesn’t know about the Meier case.
So, I guess I’m not smarter than that after all and video viral isn’t contagious enough.
No, I hadn’t heard of Truth TV, which ranks at 7,407,500…while my site is at 679,802 and in AU: 35,237.
Soooooooo, while we appreciate your, er, suggestions, I guess my answer to your question, “How much more of your homework do you want me do you for you, Michael my friend?”, is, “Perhaps none for me but do feel free to continue to look into this and to send us VIABLE suggestions for improving getting the word out.”
And you may want to advise…Truth TV how they can be ranked at least as high as we are (both in the U.S. and in AU) without doing any paid advertising and just by going around and annoying people who, obviously, have ” looked into it and has made up their mind”.
Well, after reading this long text between Lee and Michael, I think it was very interesting, because Lee opt out of reasoning and ran back to his posh job.
No doubt. It’s obvious Lee is a legend in his own mind. Not that it means much, but I’ve never heard of him. Michael is a great inspiration for all of us and being able to be neutral positive in exchanges and never let anger take hold no matter how much you dislike what others are saying. Never ever change Michael, because we all love you the way you are…our little spitfire.
Wow, fantastic post Michael. It is clear a lot of these UFOlogists have not delved into the Meire case with all the books written, or he might have known the answer to why Billy and the Plejaren have a special unique relationship and why the Plejaren will not communicate directly with people of Earth. Once again UFOlogists refuse to read the information and maybe if they did they would understand so much more about the technology of these fantastic beamships and the Plejaren and even the true history of our planet Earth. I don’t know if I would have been able to answer as well as you did with intelligence and a point. You are impressive MH. Great job.
You have great endurance Michael, how are you not bitter? I guess Billy did say not to be Bitter.
Bitter? Oh yeah, I guess I just didn’t think about it, hadn’t occurred as an option or something.
P.S. Please understand that today there is a “UFO industry”, it is a BUSINESS for these people. The Meier case is simply…BAD for business. After all, if people are pointed in the direction of the only real, still ongoing UFO contact case…what the hell do they need to hear some fools babble about “Roswell” and “alien abductions” for?
The UFO community, and the ultra-delusional “exopolitics” group in particular, are among the biggest ENEMIES of the truth.
Read stuff like this for better understanding:
http://theyfly.com/An-Open-Letter-to-Stephen-Bassett.html
http://theyfly.com/Exopolitics.htm
From Sonder-bulletin 2012 #70
Billy: Why we do not stop our mission, but must go on continuously, even if it takes only a drop at a success – but constant dripping wears away the strongest stone.
The UFO industry are all about entertainment value for your money. So much so that Tsoukalos has his own “Aliens” meme that went about on the internet just to show how “serious” everyone views the topic these days.
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/ancient-aliens
🙂
Anthony,
Just a few quick notes. We do see things as critical in many ways in the world and are doing what we can to wake people up, show them our perspective, etc.
As for interviewing people, well, isn’t that what we did in “as the time fulfills”, in several countries in fact? And that kind of stuff sure DOES cost money (and time). Who’s going to bankroll even an interview channel/show, etc.?
Whenever possible we try to implement various ideas, approaches, projects, etc. I can honestly say that there’s been a lot of effects from these various causes, people contact me all the time who heard or saw this or that program, article, blog, etc.
There’s plenty of room for others, including you, to put into action any ideas that you have…and of course to continue to send suggestions our way.
The secret of the Meier case…
Its not about aliens.
I mean, yes, on the surface, it looks a lot like just another alien case; Meier has said (I believe) that some very few other-worldly non-Plejaren visit very occasionally from time to time, but most are either delusional or making it up…
If you strip away any Plejaren contact, and any reason that might be for following the so called ‘teachings’, then essentially this is a New Age-ish cult of peace. Which isn’t necessarily a bad thing.
But it really has nothing to do at all with being New Age or Plejaren even.
Its just common sense.
As far as I’m concerned, its the sort of common sense that we all need desperately, and if the only people crazy enough to see it also believe in fake aliens, then great, at least someone sees the ‘light’, as it were.
As to whether or not he (meier) contacted anyone, its pretty easy to prove/refute; just find four of his specific prophecies published 20-30 years before their time, in the original german, and verify the authenticity of the publication via paper records for the swiss/german publishing/copyright agencies in question. This should be in online records, however I must admit I’ve been incredibly lazy and never found these. But that’s all that’s necessary.
If you want to refute, then show that these records do not exist (which is actually much harder).
So, its great if there are aliens who have common sense, and I don’t really care too much if there aren’t. I’d rather get the planet back on its feet rather than worry about whether or not things that aren’t materially interested in our welfare have visited or not.
Also technically the above scientist above falls under this, not a skeptic: http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Denialism#Denialism_vs._Skepticism ^^
Oh of course ironically he seems to use a bit of denialism on his website against Billy Meier.:p