Below is a response from a questioner to my seemingly harsh and critical email requesting him to substantiate his claims that “we’re “dealing with beings that are very different from us, etc.” He was offended by my response to him but to his credit, he wrote back, referred to some of my own remarks he found insulting, and I followed up with this:
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First, thanks for writing back. I want to answer your points and do so directly without any intentional insults. I’m also going to address a few points that I too have to live with if the Billy Meier UFO case is to be considered credible, let alone the standard by which all other claims of ET contact are to be measured.
Let’s see if we can agree that the actual, proven existence of ETs would be of mega-enormous significance. Topping that by light years of course would be proof that one man on Earth has been in contact with them…for over 72 years.
Now the problem facing the UFO community/industry (UFOCI) is that they casually take for granted that there are all sorts of “aliens” walking around on Earth, working for the government (would they really be that stupid and desperate?), abducting people, co-procreating hybrid-human babies, etc. Really, that’s the standard fare of the UFOCI. And it’s mostly why the entire UFO field is marginalized, relegated to tabloid status, entertainment, etc., and the truth kept from the public.
This is no accident. Neither is the fact that all of this “alien” bilge can get widespread media coverage but you won’t find a word on the Meier case in the mainstream media. That should start to tell you something about both the “alien” nonsense and the…real deal.
I’ll get back to this – and it’s not directed at you – but also consider that sometimes people would rather die than know and have to deal with the truth. The problem is that they may well die because they deny it.
Now when someone blithely tells you that there are all sorts of these “Greys”, etc., on Earth, messing around with people, etc., beyond my already noted irreverent response to the failed logic behind unsubstantiated claims, let’s go a bit farther and ask just how we came to accept a context in which we are already ascribing and describing and attributing behaviors and motivations to creatures for which there simply is no empirical evidence establishing their existence, let alone interactions with us.
This is supremely important. How, how did we get from anecdotal stories by so-called “experiencers” – a cutesy new designation that would be fitting in a sic-fi discussion but not in one for which real, cold, hard evidence is lacking – to accepting their subjective accounts as equal to real scientifically proven facts?
You’ve taken offense not only to my lack of bedside manner but to my essential demands for actual…evidence. So let me explain just a little bit more about that.
In my 35 years of researching the Meier case, and a couple more decades of overall interest that started in my childhood, I still haven’t come upon any so-called UFO case that meets the standards of evidence and proof that one would deem reasonable to support such claims. I’ll quickly add that I have no trouble accepting the reality of Roswell (and some others like it). I first learned about it in about1958 from a high school friend who told me about a “flying saucer” that had crashed and was hauled off to an air base in Ohio. He learned about it from his father who was…in the US Air Force.
But there is zero remaining and/or verifiable evidence for Roswell (or any other cases, real or otherwise) and none can be forced from a government that probably doesn’t have and/or know about it/them anyway.
Roswell, like every other so-called UFO case, is a complete waste of very, very precious, dwindling time. Please, feel free to challenge that by producing something, anything of actual, relevance to our global situation today.
In representing the Meier case I’ve been “challenged” (and largely attacked) by skeptics but they pale in comparison to the incompetence, vehemence and obstruction of the truth by…UFOCI. The UFOCI is, second only to, or tied with, the intelligence agencies; it’s the worst opponent of the Meier case, the least scientific, least qualified, competent, capable, rational, logical group in just about any field of study that I know of.
The funny thing is that I’ve defeated every skeptical challenge, shut down a challenge from a scientist with a top secret clearance in less than five minutes, did the same thing just last year with a retired judge, simply on the strength of the scientific and legal standard of proof in the case. It doesn’t take a genius. Just someone who’s really done their homework. I’ve offered to debate all of the professional skeptics, at once, at an event of their choosing. No responses now, when once they were so confident.
I don’t have a scientific background. I was basically an artist and singer/songwriter who didn’t get my first “real” job until, at age 32, I had to raise my 10 month-old baby myself as a single father. (Some of my other bio material is here.)
I learned how to research – and think – from delving into the Meier material. I looked into every UFO-related story along the way. There’s simply no there there, anywhere, certainly not even remotely in the same league as the Meier case.
I’ve been to Switzerland 14 times, tried to trick Meier 4 times in 3 years on a strange matter he told me about. But he always immediately gave me the same answer, no hesitation, no tall tales, excuses. Where would I go to “research” anecdotal fables that have been built around “strange experiences”? I’ve been within 20′ of a craft myself and I received information from the Plejaren, through Meier, foretelling a trap I was otherwise going to fall into…verifiably days before the culprit sprang his second best plan because I had retreated based on their information, which Meier himself didn’t know about. I guess I’m not an “experiencer” because I have actual evidence for my claim and I don’t need some bogus “hypnosis” to recall (or have someone with questionable qualifications and motives concoct stories about) it.
Do you know why I do this work on the Meier case (and not on anything else, including my many creative ventures)? It’s because I consider it the most important true story in all of human history and the key to our future survival. My personal mission is to help prove the prophecies (like those here)…wrong.
I have a website jam packed with information, a blog with over 300 entries and a media appearances list a mile long. But the mainstream media access that I’ve tried to get in every way I know how is barred. Why is that? It’s because of several factors pertaining to the reality of the case and all that that implies to the powers that be, the knowledge of who Meier is and the fact that it’s now known that it’s too late to forestall some of the most dreadful stuff that all those suppressive minds have actually helped to create and force to fulfillment.
So, getting back to my earlier comment, there are indeed people for whom the truth is so unmanageable that they would rather die than deal with it…and they have no compunctions about letting the rest of the world go down the drain at the same time.
As for the “Greys”, “aliens”, “experiencers”, etc., if one is sober and self-honest, the magnitude of that entire cynical farce is not only devoid of any credible, verifiable physical evidence but even ONE significant, uniquely valuable piece of information for humanity. It’s not only depressing but raises serious questions as to how one got swept up in that dead-end disinformation at the expense of recognizing truth and reality.
If I notice, while out walking at night, that your house is on fire should I wait until I return home, send you an email, maybe call – but apologize for disturbing you…or should I bang like hell on your door, get you to wake up and let you decide how you’re going to deal with the problem?
I’ve tried, and actually continue to try, every reasonable, rational, polite, humorous approach I know to wake people up…so that they can decide what they want to do once they know their house is on fire. Of course I do pound on their doors too when all else seems to have failed.
Our house, your house is on fire and no amount of pseudoscientific hypnosis with “experiencers” has – or ever will – alert us to it, nor will it contain the remedies that may still remain for us to put the fire out. No imaginary “Greys” started the fire, nor will they be of any help. The so-called “Greys” from Roswell were actually…androids, the robotic surrogates for the actual extraterrestrials in the Zeta Reticulum system who sent them out on scientific information gathering missions. Oh so cleverly, the US intelligence agencies, and others, have demonized real, actual – human – extraterrestrials and substituted all this fearful garbage to control people. And it’s not only been at the expense of the truth but it will cost many lives.
In the past 10,000 years, according to Meier, there’ve been only about 250 years of peace. The imaginary “Greys” weren’t killing off untold millions of human beings. We human beings ourselves were.
So we come around to this dreaded, disinformation perpetuating UFOCI, which, in case you haven’t noticed, hasn’t produced one solid piece of evidence for all its decades and decades of chasing lights in the sky. While the prophecies ceaselessly fulfill, while we pass our own point of no return, we think we still have the luxury of entertainingly scaring ourselves with the contemporary version of ghost stories, the new “demons” are now the imaginary “Greys”, “evil aliens”, etc.
But people like me, specifically me in fact, are a “problem” because I now waste little time confronting people with the truth as I know it, willing as I am though to be proven wrong. But no one, not even you my friend, has yet rebutted or addressed my concerns with opposing facts. Please, cite the best evidence from the most credible “researchers’ you’ve listened to in those hundreds of hours of interviews, etc..
If you can do so I will gladly address them. If not, maybe you’ll see that I’m not the problem for trying to make you substantiate your claims, beliefs, etc. But I may be the one who points out the real “fire in the house” in the form of the epidemic of gullibility, non-critical thinking, illogic and denial of reality that is the product of this abysmal, fraudulent field of UFOlogy and the industry it’s spawned…at the expense of the true truth.
Authorized American Media Representative
The Billy Meier Contacts
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I am not a researcher. I don’t have access to “scientifically verifiable” proof at a level that you would ever be satisfied with. I have a deep interest in this subject and have spent a few years listening to hundreds of hours of interviews from other researchers & experiencers, watched numerous documentaries, read many books, etc. which lead me to suspect that there are many other legitimate cases, including Greys. You have spent 30 years on this one case and so I’ll never be able to debate specific “verifiable” evidence with you since I am not directly involved with any case that I can point to particular evidence. That doesn’t make me “soft and lazy.” Again, that is just insulting and a harsh judgement.
I didn’t come to you to dispute your evidence or significance (so not sure why you keep trying to convince me of it), only to see if you had some evidence that all of the other cases were lies and hoaxes. I understand your point that you have not seen any sufficient evidence and so therefore: no (sufficient) evidence = not real. There is evidence, but not “scientifically verifiable” to you. As you put it, hypnosis to you is not a credible means of ascertaining truth claims and “Anecdotal evidence is…not the basis for any such claims to be accepted as factual” (which includes whistleblower testimony). To me though it is a mistake to throw all this evidence out. Yes, it’s not ideal evidence, but I wouldn’t dismiss it altogether. I weigh it accordingly and compare it with what might corroborate this evidence.
Yes, I do take life seriously (but not too much), but I’d rather spend my time with those that are not condescending and don’t have an “I’m smart and every else is ignorant” attitude. My main point is that–your attitude does not help your cause–it actually makes it worse. You seem frustrated that others don’t accept the validity and significance of this case, but this is why!
Cheers,
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Wow – our house is on fire and the guy banging on the door has an attitude that bothers us… so we will just ignore the banging on the door as our house burns…. 🙂
MH, I think you explained all that extremely well and with great logic too. It’s a pity this illogical thinking person couldn’t get it and resorted to blaming your attitude as being the problem. I think your getting better in conveying your message.
You know Michael this ad nauseous pattern that keeps on repeating itself over and over again with people who can’t seem to get their heads around the truth of the Billy Meier case and all that it entails is the mind and consciousness imbalance, disease of preoccupation with self and acute self consciousness of one’s fragile ego that more or less reduces all these type of conversations to merely about ‘much do about nothing’ bruised egos and hurt feelings from perceived slight.
The greatest challenge is not intellectual but the emotional as the single biggest obstacle getting in the way of logic and reason which prevents people from understanding the case.
Its always get down to the ‘its about me’ when dealing with these unenlightened earthlings
Yowzer… That’s being objective….. “I don’t like you because you challenge my information with your logic therefor I will not do any of my own personal research into this challenge”. The oldest dodge in the book of knaves. Or “Hey, I’ve done hundreds of hours of research in my lifetime therefor I feel qualified not to have to do any more.” Genius… By that standard, we should all stop learning after highschool. What can possibly be wrong there? Gees. This is the problem with people. They are LAZY!! There is so much information in the Meier case that lazy people are just driven to their impulsive dodges when it’s presented to them. I guess lazy people fall into many categories. Just look at planet earth and take your pick as to which form of laziness floats your boat. Just remember that a shoddy job of patchwork in those leaking holes in your theories are going to force you to swim eventually.
Michael,
Great response. To bad it was wasted on someone that seems to love being entertained by disinformation. I think these people tend to take frustration on your part as you having a “know-it-all, believe me” attitude. When in fact I even get frustrated reading their responses and wondering “Why is Michael even bothering”. Meier’s case has to be the only case in history where its proven scientifically (Evidentially) and people continue to play the fool and deny the facts. If there’s another please inform me.
I actually was going to write a blog about why I bother(ed) but, honestly, maybe I won’t…bother. My own frustration made me want to explain why I allowed…my own two posts on this topic but the fact that enough people “got it” and have their own frustration at the inmates-running-the-asylum times that we are in, then enough said on my part.
Michael, I respect your passion. Many people would’ve given up already do to all of the nonsensical, lost, deceitful, know-it-alls you come across. Not to mention that you’re doing this at your own will and not for a paycheck because after 35+ years and many people aren’t listening if you were in it for the money I think you would’ve already given up. To bad others refuse to see that and think you’re in this for anything else, other than humanities wellbeing. This is all of our mission not just yours, Meier’s, FIGU’s, etc. Its sad that people with influence refuse to recognize what it’s all about.
I’m not able to right now but one day I hope to contribute something of significance to this case.
Yes, I think that the Billy Meier case, specifically its information and especially the spiritual teaching, is a gift to all humanity. Like you, I hope that someday this gift will be opened and appreciated by all of the intended recipients.
Michael, while I am a relative new comer here with the Meier case, having only discovered it in earnest in the last year, this is in my opinion one of your finest, most complete, thoughtful, straightforward all encompassing works / responses to date, if not thee finest. I honestly do not know how you could / can have written it better or more precise or clearly. My most sincere hope is that more will find this and take heed of you words. Reading the email at the end from the person you are replying too, well….., just is atypical of my own interactions / experiences with people including my own family sadly so. No matter how well, or polite one trys to choose their words, “THE TRUTH” just strikes too deep and TOO threatening to many. DENIAL AND NAME CALLING IS EASIER AND FAR SAFER TO MOST – regardless of the inevitable outcome of this to humanity as whole and our once beautiful planet earth. This is going to be humanities own undoing for all of us. Thank you Michael, AGAIN, for your tireless, very professional efforts. Everything you state in this response to this person says more than anything I can say or any better without a doubt. BRAVO SIR!
Thanks but in all fairness, I did insinuate that he may be “soft and lazy” in his attitude towards being challenged to produce the evidence he thinks exists, etc.
You are welcome and understood Michael but, It makes NO difference. Like I said, no matter how one chooses their words, to interact and convey the message, the outcome, in my opinion, is the same. And I am am not just talking of the Meier case. I came to this from a far more steeped angle, sort of backwards, not seeking information of ET’s, but simply “THE TRUTH” of why things are the way they are and for humanity of earth. From everything from the ongoing and escalating ecomomic problems, to the ecological disasters, to the endless wars, etc, etc, etc. People DO NOT like being challenged in any way that they “might” be wrong, in their “beliefs” and certainly NOT they have been duped. In almost every interaction I have had, what you experienced with this person is absolutely atypical. It would have made ZERO difference had you not even remotely insinuated anything. I persnally have just about reached the point that saying absolutely nothing more or even trying anymore is the only way to better anything.. at least for me personally. Each have to decide this for themselves what, if anything, more can be realistically done. I am ALL FOR trying to disprove and / or stop the fulfillment of the prophecies but I, personally, just am having a hard time seeing what more one can do? I am just so very tired of banging my head aginst the stupidity / denial wall of humanity (There, see, just my saying this truth will invite, likely harsh reactions). I can also tell you, while perhaps this has nothing to do with this particualr interaction with the person you are responding to, religions, Christanity in particular, as it was the one I “was” brought up in as a child and indoctrinated into (But obviously I found my way clear of – how remains a mystery to me), I can tell you now, it is my belief that the many Millions, if Not Billions of Christian religion / faith believers on this planet fully accept that the horrors decribed in the final book of the bible, Revelation, (which some verses of bear striking resemblence to the Henoch Prophecies) are something that MUST come to pass and that this is fortold as part of Gods will and man / humanity as such will go / MUST go through this and then his believers – in Jesus will, essentially, resultingly, be saved. One, of course, must try to maintain some hope though. I hope my take here is wrong though I seincerely doubt that it is. But, it’s not over till it’s over. I again say BRAVO SIR to your latest efforts!
From my response above, “I can tell you now, it is my belief that the many Millions, ” PLEASE strike the word “belief” and enter a much better word, “Assertion or KNOWLEDGE.” It is hard to git away from and stop fully using the word “belief.” It is one I am now beginning to loathe. “KNOWING” is the only true way.
Hi Mike B, I feel exactly the same as what you have mentioned where you reached a point when saying nothing at all is much better than saying anything. The fact that what ever you tell someone the “truth” they have already made up their mind based on their own belief systems (or from whatever background they came from). Its almost like they listen to you for the sake of listening but absorb none of it. I feel everyone on here is somewhat on the same boat with the Meier case. I think its beyond frustration as MH describes it.
Atypical? Maybe you meant typical?
Belief, Believe, Believers, Blasphemers who are not Believers. I believe therefore I know, I know the truth because I want to believe. I want to believe those visited by ALIENS, and I need not look behind there testimony to MOTIVE, which is done in a court of law when testimonies are rampant with lies. The best lies in the court room are from the representatives (attorneys), because they get paid to lie. (Yes I went to law school and spent 14 years in court rooms litigating over 50million in cases and a murder case – Mickey Thompson). ALIEN VISITATION REPRESENTATIVES – are true believers, they can’t look at Motive, they will lose money if the do, they will lose credibility if they do, they will lose adulation’s if they do, BLASPHEMER if you dare to question them. WOW sounds like our Politicians and Religions – I JUST REALIZED JUST KNOW – THE UFO INDUSTRY IS A RELIGION – OMG – as a former Minister – that’s a repository of the most Illogical voodoo juju on the planet. MH your talking to a religion, no wonder your getting no traction. What a sad state of affairs for humanity, every thing runs like a religion. Damnation to common sense – questioning – investigation – you must Believe to be Healed. Glad I have a sense of humor about it all, it’s better than a sitcom.
Highly likely that the UFOCI individuals will say that they have been blindsided when the prophecies are proven correct.
I was wondering if you would mention that the greys were actually androids. Boy that should get there wheels spinning. Your planting good seeds for these people to stew in. Good letter Michael.
I got to like his attitude! Talk about setting the bar low just to have life pass by AND making no qualms about aiming low in life!!!
Wowzers! I thought Inspector Gadget was just a cartoon … I guess we DO need the Penny’s of the universe that have to solve the riddles of these cases.
Also, if there was any real concern about the safety hazards associated with the alleged facilities in question, the “whistleblowers” he’s talking about should contact OSHA:
https://www.osha.gov/oshstats/
Good note Michael. I think I also have a bit a frustration (may be it is true you have it too). And I think it is possitive to have that feeling and many people have it too. Frustration is an energy that move us to say that all around us could be different. Frustration with a bit of patience is a good combination. If everybody see everythink around in “black and white”, how can you convince them that you see “colours”? Just be patience, keep talking about you truth and gradually more people will be watching “the colours” around us.
I enjoy reading your blogs. Thanks.
We can go further!
I agree with being frustrated as it has to do with folks that want to have ALL of the benefits, titles, and rewards of sounding like someone that’s doing their due diligence and responsibility with the work they do and yet when asked with some SIMPLE questions, and Mike asked some really BASIC ones that should not be hard to answer, they don’t actually show that due diligence and responsibility or EVEN THE MOTIVATION to come close to what they claim to be doing as their job (whether their volunteering or not)! Talk about misplaced priorities. They can’t even give a straight NO!
And yet, not once did they check to ask the witness if such hazardous work they did complied with Federal regulations and occupational safety health (like OHSA) cause if they were concerned about the well-being of the whistler they should with such dangerous work environments with illegal extra-terrestrial-aliens! The guy or gal is completely happy to believe some illogical and ill-conceived scenario from unverified testimony that has poorly asked questions because they spent only hundreds of hours looking at it recorded stuff. I did too look at hundreds of hours of stuff available online, but I spend thousands upon thousands of hours trying to understand how things work and getting things done with my own life rather than become an expert speculator as at the end of the day no one admits to anything or knows anything. What a job (whether volunteer or not) to have when you can work so much and yet achieve so little and your boss it happy with that.
That was a nice email from XXXX, with whom I concur.
Michael, you might email the head of MUFO, Jan is it, and offer to carefully look over and critique say some 10 abduction cases (withlinks to the data) that he would select, and also0 some 10 animal mutilation case, which MUFON would agree are probably authentic and real, and give your conclusions with reasons, In return, you would ask him to do the same for some 20 instances of Meier photos/films/films/sound-evidence . That would be for starters.
We should let them (MUFON workers) know that we also value anecdotal evidence, just as they do when the source(s) are believed to be credible and the information ties in with related information. Think how valuable the “anecdotal” witness of Phobal Cheng and some 80 other witnesses to Meier-case events was and is (http://www.TJresearch.info/witness-ist.htm )
And think how useful and necessary it was for years of ufology to have preceded the 1975-81 Meier contacts and evidence gathering, so that his experiences would have a background into which they could be placed, with “flying saucers” already well known by 1975. Hence we have no reason to disparage ufology. It may well be that through all the past ufological research and records since 1947 that Full Disclosure will finally break through into mainstream knowledge and scientific acknowledgment, rather than through widespread recognition of the reality of the Meier case coming first.
And keep in mind that the U in FIGU stands for ufology or ufologist.
I’ll forward Jan your suggestions, Jim. Let’s also remember that in addition to Phobol and another woman’s eyewitness testimony, we have Meier’s photos from India from that time and the newspaper article. We also know that the actual “climate” that the events occurred in back then were not in any way subject to the disinformation, imaginary, fabricated delusions, etc., that have spread wildly thanks in large part to irresponsible people in the so-called UFO community, UFOlogy, etc., with ore than a little help from the intelligence services.
As you also know, there are over 100 witnesses in the Meier case and at least 5 other photographers – including a Swiss skeptic.
If people are sincere and want to get past the craft to the actual reasons for the Meier contacts, with MUFON’s assistance I’m sure we can fast-track this process and determine the authenticity of the Meier case on its own merits. The other stuff with abductions and mutilations may be interesting and a study such as you suggest could be done. But with the state of affairs in the world, it’s my opinion that not only will we still come up with more questions than answers about that phenomena – which may already be well answered by Meier and the Plejaren – but it won’t give us anything remotely as significant as the content of the Meier case, which specifically not only foretold our current problems but also offers specific suggestions about how to deal with them effectively.
So where are the list of their questions
Why isn’t it coming in droves
Are the nature of their questions poorly thought out and the usual run of the mill types?
If their questions are covered before on numerous occasions why isn’t there a comprehensive Q&A compilation they can be referred to.
Objectors and people who have contentions against the truth rarely do a decent job of doing their homework by first taking the time to read Billy’s translated contact reports, bulletins, articles and books and then to carefully reflect upon them because most just can’t be bothered.
This is where they get stuck being unable to go past this stage of arrested development because they are stuck with their illogical contentions rather than it being clarified with the logic of the truth through logic based thinking which is the actual key that’ll open the door to the collossal life changing sword of knowledge of the most profound ultimate everlasting immortal truths.
People have to get this through their skulls that the ideas of information and knowledge must first penetrate through their heads in order to have something to go by to determine whether it is the truth or a lie but how can this be made possible if people donkey stubbornly refuse to first read and study the material with an open mind before they choose to close it.
I’ve received some questions directly but I’m waiting for Jan and MUFON to open up the place on their site where the “official” discussion will begin.
I just wanted to look at some ‘cool pictures of UFO’s’ one day perusing the ‘net.
The photos were so clear and remarkable that I wanted to get a little more info. So I watched “The Silent Revolution of Truth” and was further amazed. And I looked into the Billy Meier Case for myself.
There is SO MUCH information – easily found – on this Case that Anyone can easily find out anything they want to know about it.
I am now convinced that we have been blessed with the truth about our human family’s situation at a time when we desperately need it.
So much of what goes on in the world is fake, duplicitous, motivated by fear and/or greed. It truly is shameful to watch and to have to think of myself as knowing nothing better.
Personally, I would rather ‘hear the awful truth than a beautiful lie.” Without the truth we’re living in One Big Lie and saying “well, that’s just how it is.” But many of us have spirits that keep telling us, “well, we could be doing a lot better.”
A course correction of our personal history is possible only if we can see where we’ve been wrong.
I’m very glad I wanted to see some UFO pictures. And I’m glad that I wanted to check out the Billy Meier Case to see what it was all about.
And I think people who are interested in such things should give it “a fair hearing” and check it out too.
Thanks to all who have brought this information forward that we may choose to be personally responsible for what we believe and how we choose to live. Freedom is … Nice.