Just after seemingly wrapping up the last of my griping about UFOCI profiteers, and also noting the tail-between-his-legs disappearance of Antonio Paris, who feigned interest in reevaluating his misinformed position on the Billy Meier UFO case, it seems like there’s a new UFO cult trying to emerge, one that I briefly touched on before. So here’s a little update for those who follow the Saviors-from-the-Skies soap opera.
You Too Can Contact Extraterrestrials!
Daniel Sheehan, who had a stellar 45-year career as a constitutional lawyer, has not only long been interested in the so-called UFO cover-up and government disinformation but has apparently now jumped to being a…“UFO expert”. Sheehan worked with loose canons such as John Mack, and Stephen Greer, and now also subscribes to a nice, made-for-TV-movie concept of how SETI will be involved with “first contact”, “translating the message”, etc., along with the Vatican’s pragmatic “find ‘em-convert ‘em-to-religious-insanity” approach to extraterrestrials.
Sheehan and Kosta Gus Makreas are part of the UFOContact group and it’s “reach out to extraterrestrials” and “establish direct contact with these beings” nonsense, and have taken the leap to promoting the idea, as well as the means and methodologies they’ve apparently concocted, so that there are all sorts of people already believing they are in contact with extraterrestrials.
Of course, while Sheehan doesn’t have any proven contact with extraterrestrials himself, it hasn’t stopped him from taking the leap from being a constitutional lawyer and “UFO researcher” to joining the rest of the lot of phonies instructing people how to contact beings – for who no official scientific recognition exists. Placing himself into a field that has virtually no credible scientific standards seems disturbingly comfortable for the Harvard educated, former candidate for the Jesuit Priesthood.
The Rules Don’t Apply
If I tell you that growing numbers of people, including me, are making contact with the inhabitants of Inner Mongolia on a regular basis, and that I can teach you how to do it too, should I get offended if I’m asked to…substantiate that claim? Well my requests to Makreas for him to substantiate his far more extraordinary claims about all the people who are “making contact with extraterrestrials” weren’t well received, as you can read here.
Why Bother?
Right, this is the kind of stuff that would and should normally have been relegated to the tabloids, and the people involved in this burgeoning cult would be lovingly cared for in loony bins, so…why bother? After all, the world we live in is decaying ever more into a violent, desperate battle for scarce resources and strategic military advantage, in preparation for yet more war. Consider that in long foreknowledge of these very times, the Plejaren and Billy Meier have worked tirelessly to provide the necessary information for the human beings of Earth to awaken and make significant, positive course corrections so that we can avoid much grief and assure our own very threatened future survival.
The UFO controversy was provoked by them so as to get people’s attention, to draw them towards the prophecies and predictions and, having thereby determined the authenticity of the Meier material for themselves, to ultimately study the spiritual teaching, recommendations and advice that we could implement to make the necessary corrections…and evolve our consciousness significantly above the level of mere, mindless consumerism, mind-enslaving religions and politics.
However, the perceived threat to the governmental, religious, economic and political powers that be led them to resort to producing and promoting any and all kinds of disinformation through the intelligence agencies to confuse, disinform and effectively obliterate the truth. This was and is then disseminated by the media, entertainment industries and through the ongoing complicity of the UFOCI.
In other words, the most important true story in all of science and human history was so suppressed, trivialized and effectively turned into entertainment that it could be neutralized and humanity kept in the dark.
Since there’s no shortage of poseurs, frauds, charlatans, etc., looking for an easy road to fame and fortune, such as it may be in what’s been turned into a fringe – but for some very lucrative – field they flocked to it, targeting and attracting the gullible, savior-seeking, labile, unscientific, illogical hordes who seek escape from the realities of life. In this way the UFOCI sucks up all the oxygen in the room when anyone seeking the truth searches for information on UFOs, extraterrestrials, etc. In fact, many people who finally find their way to the Meier material had to do so by getting through the well funded maze of distraction and disinformation, as well as the mind-numbingly inane content that passes for some kind of news today.
So taking the time to pull back the curtain on the stupid, cynical charlatans and profiteers In the UFOCI, such as all those referred to above, is my attempt to try to clear the path for those people who are sincerely looking for the truth and probably don’t want to get shanghaied or fleeced along the way, not knowing how full of sharks the waters may be. And of course I’ll promptly apologize and retract my labeling of people such as Sheehan and Makreas (an the others in the UFOCI field) as cynical profiteering phonies, or even just delusional ones, should they provide credible, scientific evidence substantiating their claims of contact with extraterrestrial beings.
I am inviting donations for press releases specifically targeting the mainstream media, radio TV, etc. These kinds of releases are expensive and I can use your help. If you’d like more information, please email me.
Reminds me something Stephen Wright once said – “99% of lawyers give the rest a bad name.”
as far as Antonio Paris goes – I’m sure he’s busy with his family & his other jobs .. he did call the UFO gig just a part-time hobby; where doesn’t hesitate to defame the only proven contactee in history, not to mention the most important story in earth history,without doing a shred of research, speaks in front of hundreds of admirers with mouths agape at the pseudo-mastery of his part-time hobby … Antonio, what happened to the cajones, the credibility, the sincerity, the promise???
Just found another one of those loony articles on c2c news for 7/21/14 titled Space aliens walk omong us? retired Temple proof-Philly.com by none other than David Jacobs about hybrid aliens will take over the world another one of those loony toon hormone driven dribbles. Check this crazy idea article out.
Sitting at a coffee table on night L. Ron Hubbard slides a napkin across the table to his company and says ,” I’m starting a religion , thats where all the money is at ” . BOOM now you have Scientology . Hell they just make up aliens to worship . And yes we know their is alot of money in it .
MUFON has their own TV show on the tails of Ancient Aliens in what season six ? Georgio Tsoulakalis , the guy with the Rock Star hair is the founder of ancient aliens , the origional mega TV platform . Apparently people are gobbling it up . The feds as I allude to are big in funding this kind of stuff . I’m sure these folks want a piece of the pie and I am sure nutso’s like George Soros are willing to peel a few mill out of their billfold to keep Meiers down . Its like a boot on your neck , these rich elite know all about Meiers . Why in the world do they want to feed you the truth in which they work so hard to keep from all of us ?
It appears to me as well that every effort to suppress the Meier case has long been in effect.
And because of the prevalent religious conditioning people are looking for saviors, outside intervention, etc., and of course what better place for, oh, a former candidate for the priesthood to be encouraging delusional contacts with Saviors-from-the-Sky, etc. – which is the antithesis of what the core message of the Meier case is. The whole UFO field, as I’ve kind of been hinting, is a corrupt, disinformation laden enterprise and I’m trying to do my self-obligated part to…shake it up a bit.
Hi Michael I am sure you may have already helped shave a few hundred years of the 800 that has so been prophesied. We just need to try harder now to shave a few hundred more 🙂
Michael !!! Is there “any” way to legally impeach these groups for “unsubstantiated claims” through the laws of internet media content , journalism etc etc??
Libel
There are several ways a person must go about proving that libel has taken place. For example, in the United States, the person must prove that the statement was false, caused harm, and was made without adequate research into the truthfulness of the statement. These steps are for an ordinary citizen. For a celebrity or a public official, the person must prove the first three steps and that the statement was made with the intent to do harm or with reckless disregard for the truth, which is usually specifically referred to as “proving malice”.
In many legal systems, adverse public statements about legal citizens presented as fact must be proven false to be defamatory or slanderous/libellous. Proving adverse public character statements to be true is often the best defense against a prosecution for libel or defamation. Statements of opinion that cannot be proven true or false will likely need to apply some other kind of defense. The use of the defense of justification has dangers, however; if the defendant libels the plaintiff and then runs the defense of truth and fails, he may be said to have aggravated the harm.
Another important aspect of defamation is the difference between fact and opinion. Statements made as “facts” are frequently actionable defamation. Statements of opinion or pure opinion are not actionable. Some jurisdictions decline to recognize any legal distinction between fact and opinion. The United States Supreme Court, in particular, has ruled that the First Amendment does not require recognition of an opinion privilege. To win damages in a libel case, the plaintiff must first show that the statements were “statements of fact or mixed statements of opinion and fact” and second that these statements were false. Conversely, a typical defense to defamation is that the statements are opinion. One of the major tests to distinguish whether a statement is fact or opinion is whether the statement can be proved true or false in a court of law. If the statement can be proved true or false, then, on that basis, the case will be heard by a jury to determine whether it is true or false. If the statement cannot be proved true or false, the court may dismiss the libel case without it ever going to a jury to find facts in the case.
Under English common law, proving the truth of the allegation was originally a valid defense only in civil libel cases. Criminal libel was construed as an offence against the public at large based on the tendency of the libel to provoke breach of peace, rather than being a crime based upon the actual defamation per se; its veracity was therefore considered irrelevant. Section 6 of the Libel Act 1843 allowed the proven truth of the allegation to be used as a valid defense in criminal libel cases, but only if the defendant also demonstrated that publication was for the “Public Benefit”.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defamation
No, and that’s part of why I feel that speaking up is necessary. Lawsuits, etc., are not the appropriate or effective way to proceed.
After all , we are “armed with Corroborated evidence and Truth to “protect” the citizens !
So this is where we want to make sure we don’t missionize, while standing up for the truth.
Really? Wayne’s idea has crossed my mind a lot recently. You would consider a lawsuit as missionizing Michael? I am not sure I see it that way. I know Meier’s approach seems be to just do his writing, he has proffered his evidence, and now simply let the chips fall where the may. But I thought you’ve taken up a roll to be something of the aggressive advocate on his behalf. And indeed you’ve done that, especially of late, with the demanding of others to substantiate their claims–what better venue to do this in than a court of law? I was just a little surprised to hear you say you have no interest in that, care to expound upon that a little?
I woulda thought the possibility of putting the Meier case on trial — literally — would excite you more than anything.
In any case, there would be “standing” issues I’m sure — one cannot typically sue on behalf of another — but, as his official representative, you might indeed have standing to bring such a suit.
Just to explain a little more — you say lawsuit would not be the “effective or appropriate” way” As for effective, I think I disagree. For one it, a law suit, if successful, would give impetus for folks like API to take down there stuff labeling Meier case a hoax. And secondly, it would generally make it more difficult for the UFOCI to keep peoples attention off the giant elephant in the room.
As for “appropriate” — perhaps you’re right. Too in your face. It would perhaps cross the line someone here has recently accused you of already crossing. I disagree with that person, but I acknowledge such a line exists.
But something I’ve never quite understood — where is that line exactly? Can you define for us the line that separates good and proper and effective standing up for the truth vs. bad and improper missionizing?
Lawsuits are complicated and very expensive actions that also have to show real, specified, provable damages. Let’s remember that people are free to express their opinions – or you could be sure that there’d be a zillion people suing me.
Law Suit does not work because the language itself is not exactly directly lying about anything … just coming to conclusions based on the evidence they provide. If you actually took this to a judge the case would be thrown out as there is no case really considering you were free not to buy the book if you did not like it.
There is a difference between published articles in specific credible journals with multiple sources and a book by Bob Smith being sold in Book Store X that knows the Secret History of mankind and makes jumping conclusions based on scant evidence. The dodgy wording and logic isn’t for nothing after all.
Right.
Perhaps you two are right. One more comment though, then I’ll leave the issue.
Though MUFON may be in the midst of changing their tune, an entity like them could be a great candidate — the damages are that people who would otherwise be interested in buying Meier’s books do not because they are told by the “authority” on the subject that Meier is a fraud.
I don’t know. I currently no next to nothing about a defamation suit.
But, if the case indeed looked winnable, I just may know a guy willing to take it up pro bono…
Regards.
Cool mate ! I understand .
Pardon my French but once again it’s the same s*** but different day with another one of these poverty of consciousness types who are endlessly dotting the landscape of ufology like zombies to a zombie movie.
I’m new to the Billy Meier case. I found it 4 or 5 months ago and have been enthralled in it ever since. Something about this case was different from the moment I found it — as if the light bulb went on. The thing that sticks out in my mind the most is how well this information has been hidden. I’ve been researching for the truth for a long time and It wasn’t until the last year or so that I even recall seeing Billy Meier pop up in my searches. I remember seeing something like ”the most documented case” or “years of contacts” and wondering why I didn’t know about this until now? And when I did finally find it, I felt cheated in a way. Maybe it was there all along and I just missed it, but it seems to me that it wasn’t necessarily there unless you knew where to look. The mountain of disinformation you have to go through to get to the truth is alarming. I’ve read a lot of contact cases and there are quite a few that can reel in the gullible very easily and that is disturbing. I feel lucky to have found it and hopefully more people will search out the truth and not leave any stones unturned. We need it now more than ever!!
Hi Melissa,
I know what you mean. I too wondered why I had not discovered Billy Meier sooner. You see I am a major sci-fi fan. Some of my favorite things in life are, “Star Wars,” “Star Trek,” “The Time Tunnel,” “Planet of the Apes”, “Six Million Dollar Man,” “Battlestar Galactica,”The X-Files,” “Fringe,” the list goes on and on. I have been interested in extraterrestrials, spaceships, space travel, time travel, consciousness powers like telekinesis, cybernetics, etc., since I was a child. I never lost my passion for science fiction throughout my teenage years, and this life long interest has been with me ever since.
I will never forget the first time I saw a Meier photograph and movie footage of the beamships in a Stan Deyo video lecture. Back in the day there was no Youtube and instant access to Meier pictures and movie footage. I was collecting UFO vhs tapes and I bought this Stan Deyo lecture on anti-gravity, flying saucers; and in there was a small segment with the beamships. I immediately flipped my lid. WOW, these beamships were amazing! My very next thought, “why have I not discovered the Meier case before?” “I should have discovered this long ago.” “Why didn’t I?” And over the years I have pondered why then? And after thinking about it, it was the best time. For starters, had I learned about it at a younger age, I don’t think I would have had the maturity to deal with it the same way. I probably still don’t. PLUS, there are topics/tasks I studied before that I would have needed to learn how to investigate things to find the truth in Meier. The timing was right. I see that now looking back over years.
Today Billy Meier has never been so accessible. The Billy Meier case is ALL OVER THE INTERNET, good and bad. Skeptics and official representatives. All one has to do is punch in a google search for UFO and then click images, you will most DEFINITELY land on a Meier photograph on the FIRST PAGE. The people who find and are intrigued with a Meier photo or movie will then find numerous official websites, like TheyFly.com. Billy Meier is by no means hidden or difficult to find in English. In fact, anybody astute with a web browser can find Billy Meier in just a few clicks. We see it time and time again in nature; we have to go through mounds and mounds of junk, to get to a treasure. I really think that in order to be able to make a discernment about the Meier case, whether YOU think it is real or not, you will have to dig through a bunch of crap, getting better and better at using your contemplation skills; then when the timing is right, when the student is ready for the lesson, the Meier case will come into focus. Yes it has been there all the time. I’m glad you see it too now. Welcome to the family.
Hi Anthony,
Thank you! I also think that it presented itself to me at a time in my life when I was ready for it and most likely I knew it was there longer than I credit myself. My love of sci-fi and the unknown started as a child and so naturally I started researching UFO’s, aliens and contact cases very early on. It’s weird, but I think I actually avoided the Billy Meier case when I first noticed it. Something in me must have told me that I wasn’t quite ready for it and so I went on about my business researching other contact cases, UFO sightings, telekinesis, and telepathy and so on and so on. There is a ton of junk out there to keep you busy for years and I have read a lot of it—unfortunately. I kept the Billy Meier case in the back of my mind until I was ready and it reappeared at just the right time. I’ll never forget when I clicked on my first Billy Meier link. I think I was up until 5am that night–and the next night and the next night. It has been well worth it though. I feel like a different person now and I look at others differently too. It all makes perfect sense and I can’t understand why people don’t think it does. There was never a question about its validity for me and that I can’t explain because I have questioned almost everything I have ever read regarding the unknown. I suppose its all water under the bridge now. I’m happy to have found and joined this community. It just feels right.
I had the same experience, Melissa. I didn’t want to explore all the “alien contact” information on the internet, partly because I didn’t want those sites to notice my computer IP address looking at them. . . . Only recently did I go onto You Tube and look for ET videos. . . . . Like you, I had an “aha!” moment when I came across a Billy Meier video showing the Beamships and Quetzal’s ship. I remember exlaiming to myself: Why haven’t I seen this before!!! But I knew in a second that these were the ETs I had been looking for. . . . since about 35 years. The internet really has opened up information that previously was very difficult to find, unless you happened to be in those circles where that information was readily available. . . . . Who ever heard of FIGU??? I was even in Switzerland in the ‘eighties and near Zurich; had I known about Billy, I certainly would have found my way to his door. . . . hindsight is 20/20, so they say. . . .
Hi Carolyn,
Hindsight is 20/20 for sure. I know that the Meier info is there, but it is very well hidden for the most part. I have researched a lot of information over the years and it seems to me that all the other cases or UFO sightings are extremely hyped up and bloated by the powers that be. It’s not quite the same for the Meier info. It wasn’t until I came across a video by Michael Horn that the doors started to open to the real information. The UFO pictures are pretty and all, but it’s the contact info that’s nicely tucked away unless you know where to look.
Just because something is in the limelight, does not make it important to people. Take for example teenagers and music. There are those kids who like all the popular music. The stuff on the radio. Then there are a good percentage that go their own way and listen to less popular, perhaps very obscure. People are driven by their interests.
In the Meier case, since it consists of largely beamships, extraterrestrials, Earth history, Earth religion vs. spirituality, overpopulation warning, science, human behavior and science, etc. So in order for a NEW potential student to discover the Meier case, he/she would have to ALREADY be thinking about or interested in these topics, preferably more than one topic. An example would be that a good number of UFO enthusiasts reject Meier. This is irrational because the pics are so good. Most of the stills are better than Hollywood. It is usually because this UFO student is not mature enough to be interested in earth history, spiritual things, etc. issues. Perhaps they are even scared or offended, never to return.
So it does take a special breed to embrace the Meier case, spirit teachings and Mission. These people are usually enthralled by all the topics, even before they learn about Meier. It is this person who is more likely interested in the spiritual side of UFOs rather than Area-51 tales, abductions, etc. So their searches would get them closer to Billy than to Bob Lazar. The likely Meier student is probably already frustrated with religion; and are usually relieved when he/she finds a better way. So despite all the cover-up and slandering, the likely Meier student will not go with the popular idea. Usually this person thinks for himself/herself and is naturally not a follower.
So people should not be panicked or concerned that some evil elite, or government is keeping people from the Truth and Meier. This is simply not the case. There is no problem as long as the internet remains free and intact. If that should change, then we might have a problem. As there are few and very expensive Figu hard copies out there and no way to find them. However, I have never read any prophecy or prediction from Meier claiming that Figu will be censored or banned from the net or that the internet will cease to exist. So I really don’t think there is anything to worry about.
If simply asking someone to provide evidence for their claims of E.T visitation is being a narcissist and suffering from megalomania. Then why is any case investigated in the first place? Just another liar with no proof that denies proof on part of his own narcissism. These people have a very delusional approach just like religious people do when you tell them the truth and they try to refute it with belief driven nonsense.
Meanwhile the pieces to the puzzle are coming closer and closer together everyday for the fulfilling of the Henoch Prophecies. What are these people waiting for? It seems like they want the disasters and events Meier spoke about to occur, so you (Michael) can say “I told you so”. And as far as Antonio goes I wasn’t expecting him to do anything anyway, so therefore I’m not surprised. I wonder what were the Plejaren’s breaking point into realizing they had to change their ways and what would be or breaking point if we don’t obliterate our very existence.
People are basically afraid to talk about anything they’ve seen because they know they’re going to be shot down by most people they talk to. This discourages people from having the courage to talk about weird things that happened to them. . . . We should be encouraging people to divulge there experiences without insisting on “objective evidence” or “rational proofs”. Much of life and the magic of the world cannot be defined rationally. Logic is only a tool we use to evaluate what is around us and to help us make sense out of life’s realities. Intuition and subjective perceptions also help us to define our world and have perhaps an even greater role in probing into the great unconscious mind to which we are all connected.
“Weird things” in and of themselves don’t mean anything, one way or the other. I agree that people should find those who can give them a receptive ear.
But this isn’t a blog about “magic”. Our intuitions and perceptions, and/or the actions we take because of them, also are tested on the world of logic and reason. We certainly don’t underestimate them, or the use of imagination, etc.
But in these times, as Meier already pointed out in his 1958 letter (number 127.) people are already so lost in phantasmagoria that we have greatly undervalued the the need for logic, objective evidence, etc.
I have decided that I’m going to start a religion as well. It will be called “die Religion von Mensch mir”. However, due to the unanimous recommendations from ein/mir, the word Religion in the title will be changed to Selbst-Bewusstsein; “die Selbst-Bewusstsein von Mensch mir”. This is a lifetime membership; the only way out is death; currently, that is approximately the age of 100. Membership is strictly enforced to one member at a time.
Translated title means “The self-awareness of human me”
I got cable TV and not only is the documentary series Ancient Aliens always being shown but also MANY other Alien themed shows are always being made and shown too. They must be popular.
It may be wise to refrain from ridiculing every single instance of claimed contact outside of the Plejaren. This is highly illogical. The Plejaren themselves have produced enough plausible deniability to go around for everyone who understands this case and there is probably good reason for this in their minds, afterall they are only Human. They have their own reasons for doing or not doing something, although it’s most assuredly anchored in logic, nonetheless these inconsistencies exist. It seems to stem from their concern over our ability to properly deal with “others” who are shall we say more forth right in their approaches when it comes to making contact with us, and they would be well within their bounds in thinking this as many here would most likely attach some “Godly” attribute to such an occurrence. Not all terrestrial Humans are so limited though and they know this as well, as do others. Some are watching ever diligently to see what those in power will do next. Just because evidence exists displaying the Plejaren, does not negate the existance of others and we would be wise to be cognizant of this while of course maintaining a clear head and utilizing logic. Many things change and we must not limit our understanding of the world to one specific facet of the unknown.
I for one have no problem with any verified contact. However, we must still realize that contact with an extraterrestrial race would be considered off the charts in historical significance. So the casual climbs of such require the strictest examination of evidence to see if it met standards such as Meier’s.
Indeed, they do. It still does not negate the possiblility of others. I am not attempting to garner attention in any way, but only to say that certain things will change and the Plejaren will not be a part of it, at least not directly. I’m still of a mind that Billy’s case is the only one with physical evidence for the world to see and this is indeed important, yet other things do exist. This is all I will say on the matter because I do not intend to detract from the core issue here, but I suggest that we remain open minded in our world and prepare for things we may not understand. Certain things are difficult to explain in a sane way.
I take that further and state that Mieer is also the only one with a body of specific, prophetically accurate scientific and world event related information AND the spiritual teaching.
So the idea of keeping our “minds open” should be carefully examined in itself. Just what are keeping our minds open to, more phenomenon, or something of equal or greater importance to humanity? At this point other contacts are irrelevant in terms of the meaning , the reason any advanced race would contact us. It’s been done. And instead of worrying about keeping our minds open to some vague maybe situation, why don’t we really open our minds to the treasure that we’ve been given.
More certainly isn’t better,when we’ve yet to appreciate the totality of what we now have.
My friend, you may have erred in some of your conclusions, yet far be it for me to argue these things, lest of course I may know different personally. You may have misunderstood my words, but that is really irrelevant anyway. We must be careful not to feel too sure about one single thing, while excluding all others. This is dangerous to our psyches. I know your passion for this case and I share it as well, but you must know that these Humans are just one of MANY. We should not blindly believe every tid bit of information they offer, this is contray to Human logic. I’m on your side, trust me, truely I am. But we must never pigeon hole ourselves into one degree of thinking. I think you know the meaning of my words without me having to say it, nor will I. I appreciate your efforts as do many and they will bear fruit eventually, for certain. Sometimes though, we must just get on with our lives. We have no control over the world. People will not listen, yet.
I think it’s quite simple. By any and all measures, the strictest of standards, we know that the Meier case is authentic. The magnitude of that reality needs not to be compared with theoretical possibilities for which no credible evidence exists.
If and when comparable evidence exists then we have another situation. I don’t take any of this personally. It’s just that we wouldn’t apply what amounts to wishful thinking about the existence of something in the face of that thing already existing and setting the standard for evidence, etc. If another whatever it may be qualifies then so be it.
But again, in this situation, we are effectively glossing over the huge significance of what has been proven…as if it’s somehow not enough on every imaginable level.
I understand, I wouldn’t have it any other way. Just know Michael, there are things you do not know on a personal level. It is unwise to disparage others of their knowing. Be careful not to bury yourself beneath a cause while ignoring the truth of others. Having said that, I agree with you my friend and I do consider you a friend.
No. It’s not disparaging anyone to say: Present your evidence to substantiate your claims.
There could be 15 people in in contact with some group. Fine. But the burden of proof is on them, not on me.
Having had to conform to the strictest standards of legal and scientific proof in presenting the Meier case – and still having the stupid skeptics, including those in the UFOCI ignore, dismiss, attack the evidence – I certainly won’t settle for anything less than that which meets the highest standards of proof. Otherwise we’re doing exactly what the lame brains in the UFOCI do, i.e. we trivialize the real thing for foolish reasons.
Personal and subjective levels are just that until they meet objective criteria. It’s cut and dry when it comes to facts. Either a thing for which certain specific claims are made is verifiable or it’s, at the least, not relevant.
You have been at this far too long but I understand, truely. You have a very difficult task and I understand that people will not understand. I’ll let it be. Thanks for all your efforts. You’re a good man, one of only a few that still exist here. You obviously have a true role in this case that may have stemmed from years ago, it’s simply hard to say. Just know that there exists people that have knowing outside this case, I assure you. Search your own experiences and you too will find this.
An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded!
But with watchful sentries throughout armed with discernment.
Michael,
Exactly! Nothing more needs to be said after this. Wasting time worrying about other contacts doesn’t even make sense at this point. People always want more instead of looking at what they already have.
Hi Tony, I totally agree with you that there are other ET races here on the planet earth, however like Michael says, they have not attempted to “go public” the way the Plejarans have done through Billy. The sad fact remains that no one of importance seems to have taken Billy at all seriously, at least not in the long term. There may be people incarnating on the earth from the Plejaran and other races of ETs. I for one think that my previous existence was not on the earth. In my own memory of my soul life, the last time I “remember” living on the earth was in the time of Plato. . . . that’s my only reference point. As far as everything which has transpired since Plato’s time, I really had to learn about it from scratch as it were. Most earth people I know have really experienced earth history, and have hidden memories of horrible earth events which I personally don’t connect with (because I wasn’t here). So we should start with 1) believing that what Billy Meier tells us is most likely true (although there may be omissions) and 2) accept the Plejarans warnings about our collective future. I have no worries for myself. . . when I die (if death it be) I won’t be reincarnating here. . . .
And if you think about this rationally folks, based on Billy’s testimony, there’s no need for any Plejarans to “die”. Really, when they get tired of living in their old bodies, they can simply be dematerialized and not rematerialized, so their souls can go somewhere else. Really, very painless and nothing to worry about.
Carolyn,
You do seem to have a number of odd beliefs that you somehow, quite erroneously, try to tie in to what Billy said. Nowhere in the information is there anything about the dematerializing theories and the imaginary souls going “somewhere else”.
If they can dematerialize from their ships and rematerialize somewhere else, it follows that it is entirely possible to dematerialize and not rematerialize. . . . that is a logical and rational deduction. Yes, and I speak from my own memories and experiences also, which right you should not deny me.
To not dematerialize would be to die. Your premise the their “souls go somewhere else” is not supported in the information. Of course you’re entitled to your own memories and subjective experiences. It’s another thing entirely to state that they are objectively true and accurate. This is the leap that creates more beliefs, belief systems, etc.
It’s not necessary to prove your beliefs and experiences to anyone else. But when you take the leap and presume that your beliefs are real and true, and how reality outside of you actually operates, then it gets pointed out that you haven’t established any basis in fact for that.
Hey Michael, how the hell would you know what happens and does not happen? Oh wait, it’s based on these “people” who have somehow given these instructions to one man to then disseminate to the world. These ideas have become so second nature to YOU, that any deviation away from it seems to cause you great vexation. You’re subsequent blog posts are beginning to look quite like something on a yahoo chat channel at times, sorry to say. Just because you have these images and movies does not negate from the reality of others here. It’s almost as if you refuse to come to certain logical conclusions based only upon your personal outlooks. I like you alot and consider you a very thorough investigator, but your methods to date have become slightly unsound as have your personal crticisms. You may indeed have to succumb to the fact that certain things may actually occur outside your rigid wall of acceptance. I am not speaking specifically of the Meier case right now, but only of us who know logic and rationality when it comes to things we cannot explain. What are you to tell the countless people who have experiences outside the tight bounderies of this case? That they are most likely crazy, or somewhat dilluted in their consciousness? And if so, who made you the deciding intermediary? I’m truely concerned that you may have missed certain pertinent aspects that are also worth mentioning that have very little to do with the Plejaren, although even I know they form a very major basis of comparison. We must be careful not to accept everything they say as an absolute concerning anything, simple logic would didcate this, whould you not agree? People will eventually see that this case IS real, there is no doubt in my mind at all. But other truths exist as well. Those who are aware of this truth are too afraid to speak out for obvious reasons. I never claimed the contact that Billy had, but I assure you, these contacts exist and they are not of the Plejaren and furthermore, proof on my part is not a requirement in making such a statement, regardless how you may FEEL about it. You seem to attack others the same way others attack you on your claims, which gives a rather unsettling appearance. It’s fairly certain you will never sway from the notes and that is well within your preogative, but it is also unwise. The Plejaren do not know all there is to know, only the data and interpretations they’ve gained for themselves. Believe it or not, part of your mission here is to keep an open mind. If you insist on insinuating that any contact experience outside the Plejaren in any form is somehow dillusional, you my friend have missed the train.
Well, Tony, nice to see that you’re letting a little more emotion come out. Let me give you a little background. I’ve come to my own conclusions during/after 35 years of investigation. Had I found anything even remotely as compelling and valuable as the Meier case I would have included it in my field of interest.
While I could say more, even about my own experiences, I have to again say that after a promising start here, you just reverted back to the same, non-specific vagaries that really give us nothing to consider, discuss, etc.
At least I claimed that I could fly.
So consider working up a good head of steam and…spitting it out, let us know just what the heck you have in mind so that we can at least have the opportunity to think through, evaluate, consider, it etc., too. Right now that show is only playing on one screen and we don’t even have any popcorn.
A few comments here.
1. Unless you have evidence of “other ET races here on the planet” it’s merely a…belief. WE have enough beliefs to rid ourselves of, why add new ones?
2. The information in the case states that there care literally millions of spirits of extraterrestrial origin involved in the incarnation cycle here. Where one’s spirit form originally came from is irrelevant at best and fantasizing about it useless and time wasting at worst.
3. You can’t have a “memory of my soul life” since the “soul”, i.e. the psyche, the personality, etc., dies and completely dissolves after death. There is no “soul life”, no group souls, no soul travel…nothing. The soul is a term that mainly deals with the area of the…solar plexus, where the psyche is mainly located in the simplest terms.
4. Most “past life memories” that adults have simply…aren’t. The various components of our consciousness are complex and we very often create false memories, as science knows. Even too little sleep will do it:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/10983097/Lack-of-sleep-implants-false-memories-in-brain.html
5. No, we shouldn’t be “believing that what Billy Meier tells us is most likely true”. We should think things through, read, research, investigate, reason and come to our own conclusions.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/10983097/Lack-of-sleep-implants-false-memories-in-brain.html
6. If we determine that the warnings from Meier and the Plejaren are accurate we shouldn’t just “accept” them. We should determine for ourselves how we can contribute, through our thoughts, feelings and actions, with making positive course corrections…in time.
7. When you (and everyone else) dies, and death it certainly is/will be, you will indeed be reincarnating here, at least for the foreseeable future until we are a space traveling race and move on to inhabit other planets, etc.
Billy remembers who he was, so why shouldn’t I?
That isn’t exactly the kind of logic that works…for many things.
We are not Billy and I am not you, we all are individual human beings.
Carolyn,
Sorry to tell you this but its people like yourself that corrupt the truth. You need to comprehend the information as it is and not try to turn it into what you want it to be. You’re not Billy Meier you have not experienced or had the level of teaching he has had. That doesn’t make him special in my eyes either because he himself said hat he’s just a regular human being and doesn’t put himself on a pedestal. I don’t know where you get most of the stuff you say here from at all.
Does not quite work that way as clearly no one, including Billy, actually uses “memory” of their past lives which you don’t have at birth and no one else does either. It would be best to understand from the Meier material what happens to the spirit between lives which will hopefully clear up any things which may seem at first hard to grasp. Then you should come to your own conclusions why certain things make sense on the Meier material and just how inadequate our own language is used to convey the wrong meanings and understandings of things.
Good luck!
Well said!!! Because it’s that exact attitude of saying ONLY Billy has the truth which starts more seperation in humanity
It is the responsibility of every human being to search for and find the truth. The truth remains the same for all times regardless of what any human being believes.
When you say, “more separation” I know what and how you think,
Hope, Billy and his teachings are actually what bring us all together here on MH’s site to share with like minded individuals. There is no other case like it and no other spiritual teaching even comparable. All of us have done our own investigations into the material as you should too. I see you’ve arrived from the BMUFOR site (hope you purchased a return ticket?), here to make grand pronouncements full of delusion and other crap. I see Phil Langdon just got busted for using a 1996+ model of a garbage can lid LOL. Phil Langdon’s YouTube videos were produced under the assumption that Billy used garbage can lids as models. But guess what? Phil has absolutely no proof from Harcostar that the lid he used was even available in 1980 when Billy filmed the WCUFO. Phil “Busted” Langdon.
Excellent work Taro!
Agreed Michael , we “must” focus on what we already have ..Until such time that “other ”
cases show the same validity to coincide along with the Meier case .But until then ……………..
the Meier case is all we have .
Salome .Wayno
I understand. This blog has become far too militant for the general public. You will never gain the attention you are looking for in this fashion. I too have been guilty of this, but the spiritual teachings do not instruct us to tell others how stupid or unknowing they are. I find it difficult that Billy would approve of such methods, although I could assume he probably did not give his blessing nor does he care. It may be a good idea to simply have the your original site and let things lie where they are. Michael, I’m sorry but you have grown beyond what is logical thinking in many respects. I’m not attacking you, but you have surpassed the very limit you claim to defend. It may be wise to reevaluate why exactly you are doing this blog. I understand that you deserve to make a living, as we all do, but that is between you and your contract with FIGU, not the broad general public and quite frankly your views are becoming way too one sided. I know you will see this as an attack, but you may want to look at the criticism nonetheless. I understand you are doing your job by providing the neccessary proof to the world, but you err greatly when you demean others when they speak of things outside of this subject matter. Not everything is as you think it is, regardless of whether or not others can offer you physical proof. I would think you of all people would know better. These matters are serious, not something to be mishandled. Sorry if this comes off mean.
Tony, I think that you are pretty much unaware of the real harshness and severity expressed by Meier and the Plejaren. I encourage you to go and read the Contact Reports thoroughly. It’s stated many times that the human beings of Earth are now simply too soft to be able to deal with the harsh truth and that truth cannot be expressed with flowery words.
Letting “things lie”, not rocking the boat not…telling people their house is on fire when it is, is not the truthful or…loving way to do things. If you look at our several recent exchanges I never told you you were stupid. I tried, from a few different directions to point out that you were the one being illogical, too “hopeful” and even a bit fantasy prone, which isn’t grounded or based in reality.
What are the “many respects” in which I’ve “grown beyond what is logical thinking”? Be specific.
You say that I “demean others when they speak of things outside of this subject matter” but I think you mean when I don’t give credence to vague, unsubstantiated hopes that amount to wishful thinking that there are some “others” who are having the kind of experiences that Meier has been having for 72 years. I was as clear as I could be in saying that all they needed to do was to provide the substantiated evidence. How is that “demeaning”? What subject matter are you referring to? Is it UFOs, the Meier case, the spiritual teaching and just what should I “know better” about? Please, be specific. I get the feeling that you have ideas, beliefs, etc., in your mins that you don’t plainly express.
Try this. Just who do you think is having contacts with extraterrestrials and what evidence are you aware of?
When you say that I deserve to make a living, which I agree with, how do you correlate it to this blog, which only has a link to my site with no promotion of products other than one blog about my new film, and no ads, including none for my products? What’s the connection between presenting my point of view and hosting a platform – at my expense – for others to express theirs and making a living? Perhaps you think that my “contract with FIGU” is some sort of financial one. It isn’t. As I said, I do my work at my own expense, voluntarily, for free, gratis, etc. People are certainly free to donate and support it but this isn’t a financial venture.
Michael, you really should return to your real calling, which is to be a medical doctor. . . . your talents are being wasted on these people!
Perhaps I’ll give that a try in my next incarceration.
Carolyn I don’t want to be rude but you should likewise return to your real calling and actually read some of what Billy has written cos I cannot in a thousand years after having read your numerous posts come to the conclusion that you know anything about the case beyond the cursory
Tony not militant enough as far as what the BS cutting sword of knowledge and the no holds bar truth is concerned.
Tony,
You’re still in the stage of loving belief of proven reality
Stupid human beings we are.
We have a penchant for making things unnecessarily complicated.
Halfwits who are more interested in propping up their bruised and fragile egos and of course money than they are for the truth.
Why do people make it so bloody complicated when all these they have to do is to prove it just as Billy Meier did.
Bloody substantiate your claims for friggin sakes with evidence and proof material that proves beyond a shadow of doubt if in indeed you have had contact with ETs just like Billy Meier.
Its that simple.
So what should we be open minded to, more fraud?, more lies?, more unsubstantiated drivel?, more false promises?, more misinformation?, more disinformation?, more charlartanry?, more profiteering?, more strawmen?, more boogeymen?, more baby eating Eisenhower meeting anal probing Reptilian Federation of Light emissary Greys with Starchild seedbank?, the 1 billionth ET abductions case?, what??????????????
A million thanks for the straight, harsh truth.
We shouldn’t tolerate it any other way.
Gosh these softies
When will they stop being offended by the sword of knowledge of truth and actually DEAL with the truth as it was meant to be dealt with and accepted.
In the words of Kosta Makreas “My Spiritual Guidance later informed me that “they” (from many locations on-planet and off-planet) showed up in that picture to impress upon me that I am never alone. They suggested I carry the picture in my pocket and look at it whenever I felt alone and/or depressed – as a reminder they are always near me.”
So apparently Kosta thinks he’s special and has his own personal guides. Obviously has suffered depression and who knows what kind of meds he’s taking to keep that under control. If he was so damn special how come his guides haven’t steered him towards the Meier material? After the correspondence with Michael, how come his spiritual guides never mentioned to look into that further? That makes me think he’s not looking to do anything other than fatten his wallet.
I had not dug deeper into that site but from his own words it would seem that he too (like Sheehan) came from a very religious background and, since he hasn’t yet discovered the idea of self-responsibility, is now promoting codependence on imaginary extraterrestrial beings. More New Age religion, great.
A Kodak Ko-dependence moment!
Say kim-cheeeeeeeeeee-se
Hi Tony_dev, the damage to our psyches will be produced by not standing up for the truth. And if you ever get a chance to do it, please do. The knowing outside of the Meier material is fraught with illusions of grandeur. Are you part of that thinking that you have had contact, which makes you more special than everyone else? Seriously I would be quite concerned if that were to happen to me as Plejaran impulses are silent and there’s no back and forth conversation and you wouldn’t even know it happened. Any other contact, I might think it was from the earth aliens who aren’t much farther ahead of us humans and so I would wonder what they could say to me, that I didn’t already know.
That I didn’t already know through the Meier material.
Most people who have real spiritual guidance keep quiet about it.
Perhaps we could go into the…fortune cookie business?
Is that something like what I find on my computer from time to time? Cookies from Bill Gates et al?
Damn right they should and its no wonder why
Crackpots!
Hi Michael and Sheila, I took a picture July 20 2014 of a juvenile deer mouse my cat captured alive. It caught my attention because it has a genetic deformed tail and feet/tail is extremely long and feet are extremely big. Plutonium from Fukishima is most likely cause of these effects.
Hi Tony_dev, I’m sorry if you think I was being mean to you. It’s just human nature to want to be special, to be singled out as being highly evolved and making contact. If there are any special humans who deserve a contact, don’t you think it would be the C49 group? But none of them have unless they happened to see them while visiting Billy. So for any of us mere mortals to assume contact, what can these aliens tell you? If they aren’t steering you towards Billy, what is the purpose other than to mess with your head? This is not religious, I’m in a business where people often tell me more than I want to hear (I have a good listening ear) and I have only ever come across one abduction and it was traced back to an Ashtar Sheran contact. It took a few years and questions to Billy (thank you for relaying the question Michael) before I found a suitable explanation. So excuse me for thinking all abductions are fake and all the telepathic messages are Ashtar Sheran because that’s the conclusion both the abductee and myself came to. Hey I’m positive I saw a hyperborean when I was at Mt. Shasta in 1988 but what does it mean? Absolutely dick chan. Heck even I have a few pictures of alien (or not) craft, a few videos of alien (or not) craft that travel from west to east and are gone in 3 minutes, a picture of bigfoot, pictures of a local crop circle, I investigated 3 horse and 1 cow mutilation (thanks to the tards in the military industrial complex), I even have a daughter who I thought was saved by the Plejaran until I realized that I’m nobody and they don’t interfere in our business. Billy said my daughter was saved by her consciousness with it’s memory. So if anyone needs any proof that it’s up to us to save ourselves, there it is. It is my understanding that if you do get impulses, you will not even know it. So please provide proof of your contact there Tony.
Hey Darcy, that sounds like one funky little mouse. And you are probably right about the source of it. Can you bring that picture next time? My son told me everything here is contaminated with cesium 137 and I too have noticed a few mutations.
Good point Sheila
Of all people besides Billy of course the core group of 49 would have to be the most compatible and ready people to have contact with ETs should the ETs choose so.
Most people who think they have spiritual guidance are delusional.
Really?
I never, not once made any claim that I am some how more “special” than anyone else. I’m not sure why you would say such a thing. I’ve noticed a potential danger here that exists with certain people where they become so enthralled with this case and Billy, that they often tend to lean towards a rather faith based following. This is dangerous and not what this is about at all. Billy is a simple Human, nothing more and nothing less, as are those who travel the great expanses. To accuse others of illusions of grandeur simply because they voice an experience is somewhat telling of us. If one fails to understand that things do exist outside of this case, one will never truely find truth. That does not detract from this case one bit, it simply compliments it in various ways. We are still very much young in our understanding of things and must use caution in what we percieve to be the absolute truth based soley on what others tell us, even if they stem from sources that lie outside our normal understanding. We must learn to control our ego and approach things in a clear and level headed manner without attacking others, unless of course they deserve it.
Tony, you keep mentioning that “things exit outside of this case”. Well of course they do, just like if you were on a knitting or firearms blog, etc., the same thing could be said.
But you must have some specific things in mind as a reason for saying that, which somehow are a commentary or rebuttal, or…what to the information. So please be specific so we don’t have to guess what you’re hinting at.
What would you have me say at this point? You would consider anything outside the boundries of this particualr case as being unsound, so logically it would make no sense in expounding upon it. I never meant to be hurtful at all, I just meant to voice certain things that need to be voiced, regardless of whether or not we want to hear them. Every contact notation that is in english, I am fully aware of and I have endeavered to understand them within the confines of my own abilites, as do others I’m sure. These notations are simply pointers though, not always to be taken in their literal form at least in some instances. All I can tell you as there exists others here who are not Plejaren nor are they in most probability even Human, although that may be a faulty assessment as well. This is difficult for people to understand, as it is for me as well. I claim no secret knowledge of any kind, only an open and logical awareness of something that most have not seen nor felt. This, in and of itself means very little in the grand scheme of things, but nonetheless is meaningful to me and that’s all that matters frankly, whether other Humans here wish to believe it or not, it makes no difference to me whatsover. What bothers me is the tendancy for us here to delegitimatize everything that falls outside their own sphere of understanding or observance. My only hope is that we use caution in how we spread truth as it is difficult to do it appropriately in every case. Please accept my apologies if I came off hurtful, that was never my intent. Certain things must remain personal to the individual and it makes no sense to explain them to others in a detailed way.
May I suggest that we’re not…fragile here and I doubt heat anyone feels…hurt.
Of course I have to ask you to just give us your evidence for claiming “there exists others here who are not Plejaren nor are they in most probability even Human”.
I think we can…handle it.
Tony,
You just did the exact same thing the skeptics do. You were asked to give your honest opinion or evidence of a case of e.t contact that you think is as important or more important than this case and you walked right around it assuming Michael wouldn’t care. You’re dodging the question. Be up front and say what you feel.
If people who claim to have met ETs declare publically that they did how else would they expect others to believe them unless they provide tangible proof.
And if they themselves were told by someone that they too have had contact with ETs then surely the first thing that would come out of their mouths is ‘prove it by substantiating the claim with proof and evidence to back it up’.
This is only a logical extension from the expectation that the claim has produced.
So why make this an exception for the hoards of fame seeking and profit hungry whores who boast of having had contact with ETs yet not fail to demand it from so far the only genuine and proven person who did have contact.
So what silly and imbecilic moron would spout such a stupid nonsense and expect not be called out.
Bloody halfwit!
I understand perfectly as I too would expect proof. This proof will never be granted, at least not through me, I am just some guy. I know and respect that you need such proof as it may pertain to this case, but you will not recieve it.
Start with evidence and then people can determine for themselves if it constitutes…proof. Otherwise, as I’m sure that you can appreciate, you may as well say that a cow just came through your window, or there was a tree in the supermarket doing some shopping, etc.
Just give us all a little credit for being able to consider the information that supports your claim.
I understand perfectly and you know I do.
Tony why?
A truely sad day here. It matters not really though. Many of you limit yourselves to this one particualar case, you have become incapable of seeing other truths, it is rather disturbing. But I fully understand your gravitation towards billy as I too still behold this. There are though, different sides to everything whether you want it or not, try to remeber this in coming days. I think the continuing work of Micael is commendable, but when others come and declare similar recurrences, it may be wise to simply tell them thanks for sharing and move on. You have no idea of the different matters of things and that is perfectly ok. Frankly, much of this movement has become intolerant and illogical simply because you do not have this proof you seek, nor will it be provided. You’ll just have to wonder I suppose at this point or simply release it as the bloviations of a mad man. It’s entirely up to you at this point. Try not to think of everything as being a detraction away from Billy and moreover how other things may also be pertinent, although even for this crowd, it will most assuredly be impossible.
Hi Tony,
Since apparently all other means of encouraging you to simply say something specific have failed, please allow me to say the following:
I can fly. I can lift off of the ground, perform aerial acrobatics, stop on a dime, make physics and gravity defying maneuvers and land soundlessly. All unaided by any technology.
How’s that grab you?
Geesh… can barely see you up so high on your horse there tony_dev.
Actually it was quite the opposite that has ended my destination within the so called- word with no truthful meaning, ‘ufology’.
It wasn’t after wading through all the nonsense that I actually ended up here. To this day I am also waiting for something with 1% the scientifically verifiable evidence amongst alllllllllllllllllllllll the other information found within Billy’s ‘case’.
Where in the belief stricken spiritually degenerative human kind is this other evidence to support the truth of our existence on this rock!?
We are all waiting Tony_dev??