Ironically, where the know-it-alls only saw a model dangling from a string, the Plejaren were giving them just enough rope by which to hang themselves.
We again have Rhal Zahi to thank for his newest video showing that the Pendulum UFO is not any kind of model but an actual extraterrestrial craft. The magnitude of importance of this, and all of the evidence in the Billy Meier case, is still lost on many people…mainly those who profess interest in, let alone knowledge about, UFOs and extraterrestrials.
Still, what plagues the people in the UFO community is the lack of scientific knowledge and understanding as they continue to equate subjective “personal experience”, i.e. anecdotes, with real, testable, verifiable evidence. I saw this frequently again last weekend during the Alien Cosmic Expo. The demand for information about the Meier case – previously unknown to many of the attendees – was great enough that I was asked to make two additional presentations that weren’t previously scheduled.
I met numerous people who spoke about their, or someone else’s, “experience” pertaining to UFOs, so-called “aliens”, etc. This is in part understandable due to the machinations of various intelligence and secret military groups in a number of countries, including Canada, and the alternate technology craft possessed by them. While it will still be very difficult for people lost chasing lights-in-the-sky to grasp, none of them are having any kind of interactions with extraterrestrials, as was made clear in this conversation between Meier and Ptaah.
In my presentations I tried to make clear that the confirmed existence of actual extraterrestrial human beings would be the single most important discovery in all of science and human history, exceeded only by actual contact with them. Indeed, even though there is zero, actual credible evidence for the so-called “extraterrestrial presence on Earth”, “alien abductions”, “alien-human hybrid babies”, etc., the hardcore believers in this nonsense remain immune to reason.
The machinations and deliberate disinformation relentlessly and effectively conducted and promoted by various intelligence agencies and secret military groups over the past many decades has unfortunately born much very rotten fruit, including keeping multitudes of people ignorant of the existence of the Meier case. And people’s abilities to discern the real from the unreal have greatly deteriorated, as they succumb all too willingly to phantasmagoria, as Meier specifically foretold in 1958.
Ironically, it is and will remain the fact that most of the people in the UFOCI and groups like SETI will be the very last to know, or at least acknowledge, the singular authenticity of the Meier contacts.
Returning to the Pendulum UFO and Zahi’s analysis, the significance of such a remarkable piece of still irreproducible physical evidence is lost on all those people who consider themselves knowledgeable about UFOs, scientifically sophisticated, as well as the outright skeptics. It wasn’t lost on Volker Engel and Marc Weigert of Uncharted Territory, who won the Academy Award for Special Effects for “Independence Day”, and who in 2007 said what Zahi’s analysis confirms:
“But, to reflect on the statement that’s in the film, I also remember seeing a shot on the Super8 reel that showed a UFO circling around a fairly tall tree. According to that shot, we said that we can’t conclusively say whether it’s real or not, but it seemed impossible to stage that kind of a shot with a miniature (it would have to be hanging on a very tall crane, with wires – but even then the movements would be hard to achieve.) So, yes, in regards to that shot, we mentioned that we could definitely do it today with CG, but at the time these were supposedly shot – it would have been very hard, probably even impossible, to fake this kind of shot.”
Ironically, where the know-it-alls only saw a model dangling from a string, the Plejaren were giving them just enough rope by which to hang themselves.
P.S. We can consider every lack of response by scientists, skeptics and know-it-alls in the UFOCI to not only be an admission of the singular authenticity of the case…but an act of ultimate cowardice and forfeiture of their duty to their fellow human beings.
See also:
Prof. Zahi’s Analysis Report on the WCUFO
Prof. Zahi’s Analysis Report on the Pendulum UFO
Prof. Zahi and Chris Lock’s Analysis on The Energy Ships
Moshe,
Responding to the truth is logically a dead end street for anyone in the business of maintaining their ranking in society. These people MH refers to, have never stepped foot onto FIGU’s SSSC, or actually confronted Billy with any type of question to his face.
With you giving these frauds, cowards and inept people, a reason for their treason to mankind, I place your desire to darken the help MH has brought to this planet, on equal footing with the uncaring profiteers that are driving everyone to the abyss for their buck. It’s shameful you won’t travel to Switzerland and discover for yourself what is real. There’s no comparison to words, and the stories you research on the net you use to justify your position of an asshat here. Talking like you know something doesn’t make it true.
I hope I’ve made myself clear.
How would traveling to Switzerland reveal what is real?
Gee, gosh, zowie, now here’s a question that Moshe must’ve stayed up all night composing.
Thanks, MH. It is. With the grammar and syntax exhibited by some of my fellow commenters, they’d benefit from following my example…
I knew it. One of those grammar Nazis.
Sheila–
True. But you receive special dispensation.
You could visit Hinterschmidrutti for starters. There, you could walk down behind the post office, following the car path to SSSC. To really get close, I would suggest you volunteer to help out with some of the work load that is always needing more hands. Once you begin experiencing an up close perspective of the peacefulness and harmonious energy, the mind begins to clear up, allowing for new insights and new appreciations for Creation. At SSSC, you can truly sense that Creation is all around you, in the beauty of the forest, the shimmer meadows alive from the fresh breezes, air so clean it effects your thinking, all the farm animals filling the valley with their sounds, the people who are very present in their beingness, and so much more.. It’s unavoidable.
That would be a good start to reveal what is real.
As a bonus, you can also visit the locations where Semjase allowed Billy to film her beamship in the pendulum event. Being that you feel it’s so important for you to comment on this blog, even though you think its just a big hoax, you will be able to gather real evidence to use here, and thus have a true reason for posting on MH blog.
That right there has to be worth every penny you’d spend in this travel.
I hope this clears things up for you.
nice, really liked reading your words about SSSC, Shawn
Thanks Ev,
You really can’t describe it differently. I was in Switzerland for 11 days and spent 8 of them at the center working, and one day at the Passive Members meeting. I slept in my own tent down in the meadow, where years previously 3 Plejaren Federation ships had left circular patterns in the tall grass. As simple as everything was during this visit, what I learned from being there change my way of thinking more than any experience I’ve ever had.
Your description sounds VERY similar to the type of experience Christians have when visiting the places Jesus walked.
http://www.waynestiles.com/jesus-tour-2015/
I’m not posting this link in support of this tour, but to demonstrate the similarity to what you wrote.
However, none of that makes Meier’s “predictions” any more real.
Also, note that I’ve never scorned any of the spiritual aspects of what Meier writes. So, a visit to the Meier compound wouldn’t address any of the comments I’ve made.
And did the rich spiritual experience make you less likely to call your fellow men derogatory names like “asshat,” Shawn?
Hey Moshe,
Telling it like it is, no, I earned that ability long before visiting Switzerland. They can’t get all the credit. If that hat fits, well then I’m just placing where I think it belongs. Diplomacy wouldn’t be a honest way to tell you how you come across to me. I just don’t get why you spend your time at a place that you think is a hoax. You have every right to waste your time wherever you like, but it’s part of the reason I see you as an asshat. Is this your goal in life? A stepping stone to some future greatness? Come on, be honest, you’re not here to save anyone from discovering the truth, are you?
As to MY description, linking it to some whack-a-doodle religious tour is funny.
There’s a big difference.
Reality. I was in the current world, one that has real people that talked to me about questions that are current, realistic. Not some fairytale story from the past. I traveled there wanting to know first hand, what was the truth. Having the environment help in clarifying my thinking could happen anywhere, but it did happen there. Reading the internet has nothing in comparison to walking up, and seeing firsthand, that things are as they’re portrayed online. From there, I was able to discover many things that proved real and actual. A trip that I enjoyed immensely, on many different levels. Not comparable to a “tour where Jesus walked”. That’s just ridiculous.
But, in my post, you will find something to pick at, because that’s what you do.
“Shawn you`r tripping on the wrong wire. There is an old saying that goes If the kitchen is too hot and you can`t stand the heat then get the hell out of the kitchen.” I can`t remember the exact words but that was stated way back when Harry Truman was the president during the early to mid 1950s.
What does that have to do with what Shawn wrote? I don’t get the connection.
Another excellent and enlightening work from Professor Zahi. Michael, I hope you don’t mind me posting my Langdon-Meier comparison again for anyone who hasn’t viewed it:
No, I had not viewed it, nice Taro.
Thanks, Ev!
Great comparison Taro. I too haven’t seen that before, thanks for the link.
Thanks, Sheila. Too easy. I wish there were more, “duplication” attempts to make direct, side-by-side comparisons with. The difficulties of controlling a model on a wire become much more visceral for those who can’t(or refuse to) handle the scientific analysis. If it was, “extremely easy” to reproduce as the “skeptics” continue to assert, why is there only one published, “reproduction” attempt of Meier’s most famous UFO film over the past forty years? I hope my comparison provides an answer for the scientifically challenged.
“Ironically, where the know-it-alls only saw a model dangling from a string, the Plejaren were giving them just enough rope by which to hang themselves.”
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_4
Billy
This seems clear to me, but how is it possible for a beamship to attain immense speeds within the gravity field of a planet or in its atmosphere without burning up, or having the passengers succumb to the immense pressure?
Semjase
71. This is very easy to explain and no secret any longer to the Earth human, at least not to the scientists:
72. The beamship is surrounded by a radiation protection shield that causes every little current of air to glide off without pushing against it.
73. The same thing also occurs in outer space, which simply swarms with inconspicuous particles.
74. Thus, this radiation protection shield has the purpose of protecting the beamship against extraneous influences and resistance, without destroying or pushing against anything that collides with the shield.
75. Anything that penetrates or offers resistance is simply deflected without pushing against it.
76. Pushing against it would mean resistance and would remove the possibility of unlimited speed.
77. Through the deflective quality of the radiation shield, another important effect is triggered which is of great and vital importance to the passengers.
78. The deflection technique of the radiation shield simultaneously neutralizes the gravitational force of a planet.
79. But this does not mean that gravity is simply destroyed, pushed aside or nullified.
80. The air, as well as some rays or particles and magnetism, etc., are simply deflected in the same way; as a result, its own normal gravitational and attraction forces prevail within the beamship.
81. This means, therefore, that a beamship bears the exact same gravitational force onboard as also prevails on the Earth.
82. Besides, the gravitational pull of a planet is not always equally intense, but it also undergoes a certain change, a fact your scientists will discover in the near future.
83. By gliding off the radiation protection shield—that is, the sliding off of gravity and magnetism, respectively—the beamshippractically becomes a miniature independent planet which can travel without risk through any atmosphere at nearly the speed of light.
84. Due to the fact that the gravity of the planet involved no longer has an influence on the beamship, the passengers feel as normal and unhampered as if they were on the planet, assuming, of course, that the planet corresponds with their anatomical capacities and is not subject to greater attractive forces (gravitational forces).
85. The attraction force inside the beamship is adjusted to suit the passengers, of course, and is absolutely controllable. 86. When beamship passengers from other worlds move about on foreign planets with a hostile atmosphere or hostile gravitational forces, they use spacesuits and small portable devices that generate for the entities the identical radiation protection shield as that on their own beamship.
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The Plejaran’s also appear to be simulating the lack of “perfection” such types of craft undergo as its own orbiting body being VERY close to the Earth giving off an uncharacteristically unstable (and probably scary) scene. Kind of like how some of the better UFO accounts or those that crash appear to just careen into the planet uncontrollably. Since Earth Humanity isn’t going to get right on the first time a solidly stable hovering object we won’t know how big the losses are.
I guess if there song for Earth Humanity’s Lemon UFOs, “Tear drops on my UFO” would probably fit the bill seeing as ‘ET won’t even ride with me’ (to fit the song). I bet they don’t even come equipped even with basic AC (air conditioning)!
the spiritual teachings are the most important issue, we drive cars and take aircraft flights but most of us have only a vague or no understanding of how these things are possible,we are users. If aliens landed on the Whitehouse lawn and offered their technology, it would destroy us, we need to evolve into real human beings,the spiritual teachings point the way. When the time comes for us to reach out beyond this planet,we must be prepared with love, tolerance and neutrality( no interference). We are like spoiled children, sadly, only concerned for our momentary pleasures and privileges and anything that threatens that must be eliminated,ignored and covered up with derision or outright lies.
It would probably take real extraterrestrials around 5 minutes to realize this isn’t the planet to merely just land and talk to folks. So, if they won’t land anywhere and just talk to anyone chances are they have zero interest in landing on the white house lawn. After all, why would they EVEN care about the power structure here when they can merely wish to observe to get the gist of what we do here day in and day out?
I like the Meier material as it treats Earth Humanity already as adults. This is so as it does come across with the actual expectation that if Earth Humanity says a thing (like DUIST or the Vatican) that they WOULD do as they say they do and not just toss things aside when the actual task (and purpose of their being) presents itself.
Speaking of children, it has been a long standing tradition here on this planet to treat each other as less worthy than God but somehow greater than everything else in His Creation. So, it is actually quite unconscious in day-to-day operation here where women and children are the measured response which can even be revealed going as far back to the Talmud Jmmanuel. I do suspect this goes WAY back considering women statues are found in neolithic times so this long standing religious tradition isn’t going to budge any time soon. Maybe 800 years but not anytime soon.
Without further ado, case in point:
http://tjresearch.info/mt18.htm
Mt 18:6 6″but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin [or stumble], it would be better for him to have a great millstone fastened round his neck and to be drowned in the depth of the sea.”
TJ 19:6 6″But whosoever does not heed this truth and embraces erroneous teachings, and neither searches nor finds, would be better off with a millstone hung around the neck and drowned in the deepest part of the sea.”
TJ 19:6 6«Wer aber dieser Wahrheit nicht achtet und irren Lehren frönt und weder suchet noch findet, dem wäre besser, dass ein Mühlestein an seinen Hals gehängt und er ersäufet würde im Meer, wo es am tiefsten ist.»
THE PROBLEMS. Consider: “these little ones who believe in me.” “These little ones” must stand for children, for that is what the preceding four verses were talking about: “child…children…child…child.” However, it is unlikely that little children (or adults either) would have developed a belief or faith in Jesus years before the first church formed, and before any belief in a risen Christ was even possible. Instead, “who believe in me” is an anachronistic clause placed upon the lips of Jesus. This is in agreement with Davies & Allison.[3]
In addition, very often the person who causes a little child to sin, with “sin” properly defined, is another child. And this child could be as much a “believer” in Jesus as the sinning child. Thus the saying fails to cover the frequent case of a sinning, “believing” child causing another child to sin. Another case it fails to cover is if an adult causes a “believing” child to become an “unbelieving” child; for then the drowning punishment might or might not apply, as the child involved is no longer a “believer.”
SOLUTION. The TJ verse is not subject to such problems, but is fully consistent with previous TJ text stressing the importance of seeking and finding—learning. Preventing others from seeking truth, as through imposing false teachings or quenching the will to seek and learn, is then considered a deplorable act, since it retards spiritual evolution.
Again, the TJ verse is meaningful, is not subject to Matthew’s problems, and continues along the same general thought in a natural manner consistent with what a true teacher of wisdom would have voiced
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So it’s really with regards to seeing the truth and being responsible about it. But, Earth Humanity usually twists such an analogy like having the cart before the horse. So, generally, such women or child analogies do then just reinforce the religious notions of believing rather than actual learning. This is what commercials do when it shows women and children being smarter than the male adult to reinforce the status quo ante bellum.
I find the aggregation of thought if immensely positive , but we have to collectively think that man has evolved. We had a few good chances to do so . Some entire civilizations have risen and fallen and we still do not have effective records or understanding of them . So lets focus on now . I get brow beaten for pointing out that our civilization is over a hundred years into being assaulted from a whole host of ways to intentionally make us stupid. To not be able to figure these things out on our own. I wish more would wake up to this fact . Its immense and we would all be so much smarter if it were not true. We would get along better , globally , within different opinions and would realize their are many options , opinions and standpoints to discuss rationally. How bad have you personally been compromised considering your environment , your own decisions based on fraud , fallacy , false promise and outright lies ? Clearly much more intelligent , healthier and further down the road towards congruent society embracing health , wellbeing and intellectual development to solve problems. Not control and amass power to continually throw false content to further stem intelligence. Their is now way in todays day and age that you can just assume people are in their right minds. With all the fake pharmasutical , medical , environmental , food stuff , electromechanical and propaganda around , nobody has a chance , unless they are hyper intelligent to actually flag it before they are bitten. Carve a moderate 50 points off our IQ just for starters and try to consider ‘us’ contemplating important factions . So sad . Its why we fight , why we are not more harmonious and clearly look past Creation and its beauty and just carve up rainforests and destroy ecosystems without longstanding concern . I saw this as a young boy and could never believe my heart , because it seemed too vast to be possible . And as I grow older I am eternally sickened by the extent of it and disappointed I could not have been more trusting of my inner voice. I knew better , yet it could not be true. It seemed too sinister , yet is was far more sinister than imagination could wrap a concept around . And now we are here . Do you think for a minute the ‘visitors’ came here and did not do extensive research about us before they even considered contact ? Of course they did , and they too were shocked and way careful with their approaches , the few that were made . How many times do you think they got caught with their gaurds down and discovered how sinister we as a people were ? I’m sure we caused down ships from direct attacks and anomalies directly related to our surprise influences that were discovered later regarding testings and developments of weaponizations and dark research. So this is a fact that needs to be taken into consideration . Its no wonder the long span of time before descriptions of man being ready or descriptions of ‘after’ the events awaken mankind or humankind. As I mentioned we are no where near ready , unless this massive positive reaction is just in the ‘bank’ waiting to be applied to ‘neutralize’ the vast negative so prevalent in our society globally for over a solid hundred years.
Moshe is obviously just winding everybody up. Or trying to. Well, to insinuate that the experiences people have at the Semjase Silver Star Centre is just a placebo effect is absolutely false, and it is quite laughable to compare that with a Christian religious experience. You are just slandering the truth, which ultimately, is a rather pointless endeavor.
The peace and tranquility your senses pick up when visiting places like the SSSC, are a result of the newly presented spiritual teaching, which have been adopted and put into practice by the humans living there. The neutral positively generated thought impulses are picked up by the visitor to the centre, which results in feelings of joy, happiness, peace and love.
Now, even for a confused individual like yourself, this would be a pleasant experience, no matter how stubborn your feelings of aversion might be.
Moshe, like many other people, doesn’t understand that they are not only squandering an opportunity for growth, knowledge of the truth, etc., but that such efforts to be clever or provocative are stunting their development.
MH, do you think that I might eventually reach your level of spiritual development if I stop making “efforts to be clever or provocative”?
It’s…possible but first you’d have to get my bumper sticker: Lose Hair Now – Ask Me How! from our zazzle shop. from there it’s only a matter of a few short steps and, voila!, you too can be Hornified!
Count me in!
To clarify, I never said people’s emotions when visiting the Meier compound were a placebo effect. I’m sure they’re as profound in the mind of the experiencer as other religious (or spiritual, if you prefer) experiences. But claiming it’s different from a Christian Holy Land experience makes you even more like them than I thought. Many religious groups believe they have the Real Truth and that their spiritual experiences are different than others’. How is the state of mind you achieve visiting the Meier compound so different than that experienced by Christians in the Middle East? Because the spiritual teachings are “newly presented”? Because of the “thought impulses”?
Why are you being…religious in wanting other people to describe their “state of mind” instead of determining it for yourself? Maybe your experience would be very different from theirs…as well as from what presume it would be.
MH–
The main defense (if one can call it that) that has been cited to counter my arguments regarding the “ironclad” evidence that Meier is a prophet is that my logic is flawed because I haven’t been to Meier’s compound. The two things seem completely unrelated in my mind (if he altered the predictions after he initially wrote them, it seems irrelevant whether I’ve been to Switzerland). But since it seems to be important to several commenters, I thought I’d investigate further. So far, I’m not convinced that I suddenly will realize that he DIDN’T take a photo from a book and claim he took it from the future (for example) if the evidence is piled up on the other side.
The real main point for your absolutely non-arguments is that you haven’t bothered to research these:
http://www.theyfly.com/corroboration-evidence
…or the many additional, more recent corroborations posted on this blog.
I don’t expect you to do anything other than parrot the long defeated arguments of the various skeptics. But you seem somewhat really new to thinning, etc., so do what you will.
MH-
Every time I refute one of those “ironclad” corroborations, someone from Team Meier says I haven’t been to Switzerland as a defense. Often it’s you. The other defense is typically “But, what about this, over here?” while pointing at another shiny object. The third defense is general name-calling and dismissiveness. But note that only once since my first post have you actually questioned my facts.
Some (if not most or all) of those predictions were shared with the general public only after the event. When I point that out, I’m reminded that I haven’t been to Switzerland (I have, actually–and it was ridiculously expensive–but not to see Meier).
Finally, I am NOT new to thinning. I have been thin for years.
Well then, gain some weight, especially in terms of your cerebral activity.
Dumb, Dumb (in the words of Gazoo) since you are incapable of putting two and two together, I’ll help you this time. You claim that none of Billy’s predictions were given to the public until after the event. If you were ever to go the Switzerland to visit Billy, you would find people who were privy to the predictions before they happened. Plus they would all be able to pass a lie detector test stating this is true. See, it wasn’t that hard.
Sheila, lie detector tests are notorious for being flawed, and people’s recollections can be faulty, especially if their lives are better because you believe the Meier story. If eye witness testimony suffices to prove alien stories, there are a lot more aliens around than Meier acknowledges.
A quick note. Your posts are remarkably stagnant, presenting your own false assumptions and lack of actual knowledge and understanding of the authenticated evidence, known circumstances, means motive and opportunity, etc., let alone what constitutes preponderance of evidence, weight of evidence, etc.
So any further posts that don’t present YOUR OWN, specific analyses, rebuttals, etc., won’t be posted. Homework time.
If polygraphs are so flawed, why are they still in use? How do you explain 16 individuals all passing? How do you explain Meier and another witness(Phobol Cheng) both validated by a body language expert? Why do so many people accept Kalliope Meier’s hoax claim when absolutely no methods were even attempted to verify her truthfulness? Maybe HER recollection is faulty due to a bitter divorce.
“It is not the answer that enlightens, but the question.” ~Eugène Ionesco
Oh, and eye-witness testimony ALONE does not suffice to prove, “alien stories”. HAVE YOU LOOKED AT ANY OF THE SCIENCE SUPPORTING MEIER’S EVIDENCE? Or did you have trouble understanding it? Maybe I can help clear something up for you.
Taro-
To address just the first of your questions (if polygraph tests are flawed, why are they still in use):
They’re NOT still in use. At least not in the U.S. (Except for the “Is my wife cheating?” episodes of Maury.) I’d cite a third party source (such as the American Psychological Association), but MH has banned me from doing so.
Polygraph tests aren’t any longer accepted. However, as I recall, the tests for the 16 people were about the best, professionally administered available at the time. Statistically speaking, for that many people to be lying yet all reading 100% truthful would be beyond unlikely.
As also mentioned, I brought in an expert in reading body language who also gave the nod to both Meier and Phobol Cheng for being honest and congruent.
Moshe’s other comment has been deleted since it didn’t meet the requirements for substantiating claims against Meier’s evidence, honesty, etc. Not surprisingly, the sources he wanted to again refer to also failed to substantiate ehir claims, as I tirelessly pointed out and explianed, and as others have also done.
Therefore, I no longer post references to the stupid attempts to “deconstruct” the case/me. People who don’t understand evidence and the rules by which it’s evaluated also simply suffer from this:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/11507200/Google-makes-people-think-they-are-smarter-than-they-are.html
Headline:
“MICHAEL HORN SURRENDERS!”
You’ve actually abolished disagreements with you and Meier on your site. If you ever feel comfortable defending yourself again, just whisper my name into the wind and I’ll be there…
Sheila, don’t cry-our love was doomed from the start.
Correction: I no longer suffer amateurs and fools, as I think I (and others) patiently did for too long.
As once mentioned before, I also don’t suffer cowards who want to keep trying to hit the target, the person of Billy Meier with their shallow, stupid, pointless suppositions and assumptions.
Notice that such posts simply aren’t appearing any more. It may be good to take a hint…and grow the hell up.
Well, hold on. Are they not in use at all, entirely or no longer used in a court of law? My impression was that they are still used by law enforcement in certain cases. In any case, you haven’t mentioned whether you’ve bothered to look at any of the science. I can’t imagine MH would have censored your response if you did. You aren’t afraid of a little analytical thinking, are you?
Moshe at 12:35 am, grow up.
Don’t worry Moshe, I won’t cry because it takes a lot more than that. If you had read a contact report before the incident happened (like so many of us here), perhaps told other people what was coming, then watched it happen in real time, I doubt a person would need a lie detector test anyway.
Plus you are wrong, Michael Horn never surrenders.
Yes, what he is doing is just demonstrating his ignorance and his unwillingness to face reality. It is unfortunate, but hey, what can we do about it? If some people refuse to face the facts, there is unfortunately nothing we can do about it.
If Moshe chooses to appose the reality of the matter, then he must be given the free will to make that decision. If he knowingly slanders the truth, he will pay for it through the law of cause and effect in future reincarnations. What he is putting out, will come back to haunt him and hinder his development.
That is why it is pointless, because the intentions of harm and malice will always return to the person who intended them in the first place.
One only needs to venture into a natural area free of the noise of society to feel the natural and comforting feelings of the Creation . Its not hard , however, its so rarely experienced by the vast majority . If one were to only ’emerge’ from Grand Central Station in New York into the created world of humans , one would easily feel the immense impact of society. Its an electric feeling of pure pollution and to some for the first time an experience so new it feels exciting . Its definitely exciting every sense of your being for sure , but is it really a positive one . Just like the past fourth of July celebrations for example in New York with a Macy’s day fireworks display or a New Years Parade , its a false sense of electricity that clearly shows the absolute opposite of natural . Its a collective electricity of all the humans congregated and its a new and hyper elated feeling of false future. We as a society get it all the time in internet connected video games and televised events designed to do just that , take down the real feelings of Creation and generate a false sense of future and events that are fake .
David, After what happened one week ago when Obama RAMMED the Fast Track to the TPP etc, I desided NOT to watch the fireworks in New York due to the fact the this counttry is now OWNED by the Olagarch Plutocracy with MORE TV commercials up your rear than you can shake your rear with. “This country is NOW turning into another Soivet Unuion with all It`s DISCUTING NAZI GAUL!
There are no beliefs, so Rhal Zahi should respond to this:
http://beforeitsnews.com/paranormal/2015/07/filmmaker-don-drasin-comments-on-rhal-zahis-analysis-of-a-billy-meier-beamship-ufo-film-2492222.html
“For unexplained reasons, this presentation makes no distinction between film and digital imaging systems. Nor does it point out the extreme resolution loss between the original 8mm film and the images that we see here, and it says nothing about the artifacts of film-to-video transfer… all of which are essential to an understanding of why the film looks and behaves as it does. “
I have just posted the following response there and I’ve sent it to various people, etc.:
The Investigation:
Means & Opportunity
It’s an established fact that Billy Meier possessed neither the tools/technology nor the ability to make edits, splices, etc., of his films. This was established through the independent investigations of the original team of professional investigators led by Lt. Col. Wendelle Stevens, Lee and Brit Elders, and the technical experts who also analyzed Meier’s evidence. Additional research by author Gar Kinder, Light Years, further established this fact. (And I’ve snooped around there plenty in my 15 visits, including the last one a month ago.)
Because none of those who claim or suggest that Meier “could have” done this or that have the slightest actual experience in the investigation of the case and Meier’s known circumstances, financial and technical means, as well as the non-existing collaborators, their speculation simply reinforces the perspective of the Plejaren, as well as numerous people who have done their due diligence in every regard: most people are simply not capable of sufficient logic and reasoning to comprehend the case, its evidence and its intent.
This is neither an excuse nor some sort of an attack. When people either don’t know, or can’t comprehend the already long established known circumstances, when they can’t intelligently address means, motive and opportunity and merely substitute speculation based on their own beliefs, then no credible opinions will be forthcoming…as is consistently demonstrated on this list…one which Victor has many times said was merely for “entertainment”.
The fact remains, whether there is disagreement about the jump sequences or not, that this is no model, hence it’s an actual, authentic flying object not of this Earth. One will have to refer to the above statements and criteria – apparently repeatedly – in order to disabuse themselves of pointless speculation to the contrary. When one then also considers the other independently authenticated evidence, and is honest enough with themselves to concede that, all of their “expertise” not withstanding, neither they nor anyone else has or can duplicate Meier’s physical evidence with the technology available to him at the time (and so far not even with today’s technology) then the lights may just go on for them.
Rmemeber that the purpose of the physical evidence was to capture people’s attention, provoke controversy and lead us to the prophetic and predictive information so that we would awaken in time to the mess we’ve put ourselves in and at least consider implementing the suggestions and advice from the Plejaren and Meier as to how to extricate ourselves and assure our own future survival.
Instead we have endless rounds of mental masturbation from people who, no matter their intentions, etc., simply can’t…think. And this clearly doesn’t bode well for our species.
What the Skeptics…Concede
When people – who’ve never set foot in the locations where the evidence was photographed and filmed in pre-digital days – start telling us that a one-armed man “could have had accomplices, etc.” they’re effectively conceding the actual impossibility of even coming close to accomplishing Meier’s evidence without such assistants.
Regarding Splicing
Let’s for a moment assume that someone spliced the film, for the sake of argument. Two things are known. One is that it wasn’t Meier as he didn’t possess the technology or expertise. The other thing is that no matter if it was spliced or not…it’s clearly an unknown object and no splicing of the film would change that.
Nor would it change the fact that the tree top moves as it does, affected somehow by the UFO.
Someone who edits, splices film, etc., has…training in it, as well as the tools with which to do it. They don’t just decide one day to take their only original film and start cutting it up…and putting it back together in their garage next to their tractor and chainsaw. Remember, Meier had no standard or digital tools to play with, re-do, fix, etc., just the raw film.
A rough comparison would be to assume that someone who had a lawn mower would possess and be able to – on their first untrained attempt – expertly handle a diesel tractor, such as one of the different types on Meier’s property, with no prior experience, training, etc.,
When people launch these speculative theories it’s really also saying that they themselves are hardly any “experts”…if a one-armed man living in the middle of nowhere, with no training, tools, etc., can do the same thing that they can with all of their training, experience and resources available to them!
Of course if they could…think, this too would have occurred to them.
A child could reason their way through and to this understanding. Then again they most likely wouldn’t be burdened by illogical beliefs, expectations, etc., when presented with Meier’s abundant, still irreproducible, authenticated evidence.
The Scientific Method
BTW, it doesn’t matter who Rhal Zahi is in terms of the analyses (though he’s quite a real person and can be directly contacted directly, etc.). The reason is that Rhal has specified all of the various protocols, tools and technology he’s used in his analyses, etc. This is so that anyone who wishes to can reproduce the tests. It’s known as the…scientific method, something only a few people have any familiarity with at all.
And why should they? The UFOCI is hands down the most unscientific, unthinking conglomerate of lights-in-the-sky aficionados who accept the most outrageous bilge unquestioningly, stuff such as “alien abductions”, “alien-human hybrid babies”, “alien mutilations”, etc.
Substitute “secret military” for “alien” and you’ll be more on target.
As I pointed out in my four presentations (and an equal number of media interviews in Canada recently), the confirmed existence of extraterrestrial life would be the single most important discovery in all of science and human history…exceeded only by confirmed contact between the extraterrestrials and earth human beings (which of course solely describes the Meier case).
But despite the lack of any other credible evidence – let alone anything even remotely comparable to Meier’s – the suckers in the UFOCI babble on and on about all sorts of imaginary stuff, including Serpo, without ever demanding one piece of the (non-existing) evidence.
The real irony is that many of those people are all concerned about disclosing the UFO cover-up – which again is solely about the Meier case – and they are also all up in arms about the government/intelligence agency conspiracies… which they foolishly serve by believing all the UFO/alien nonsense.
Motive
Meier had…one film clip to work with. So not only are the skeptics crediting him with being rather expert in a specific profession he had absolutely no training in, nor did he possess the required tools, they also neglect to consider that he never pointed out these things himself, they were found by Rhal.
Clearly then, the skeptics also have no understanding of the very human element of…motive. Who goes to the trouble to alter a literally out-of-this-world film – as if that’s not enough! – and does it in an obscure way that no one notces for decades…and then also keeps it a secret himself? The same question of course can be asked regarding the WCUFO – as well as Meier’s dozens and dozens of examples of specific, prophetically accurate information. He never pointed any of it out; it was up to us to find it.
Not a Dialog
Meier and the Plejaren have tried to gently awaken the sleepy masses on Earth to their otherwise certain self-destruction (they being…us). But we’re too smart. Instead of having the requisite couple of working brain cells – and a healthy instinct for self-preservation – people like to exercise their worst aspects of their, dare I call it, character. They’ve tried to assassinate, besmirch, defame, ridicule, suppress, ignore, etc., the man and his selfless work.
Because someone may have given them a computer and told them to play nice, they clogged up internet forums, blogs, sites, etc., with their ignorant, mean-spirited attacks, quite often anonymously of course.
Now comes the time to…pay the piper. And pay it humanity will, at great cost to life, limb, environment, etc. It’s now…unavoidable.
Don’t count on your imaginary “aliens” to come and save you, or anyone else for that matter. Such things as the two coming US civil wars that Meier foretold in 1981 and 1987 loom on the horizon. Their musings about the fate of the US around 2020 (http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_544) look now to be predicitive rather than just prophetic. The almost unstoppable IS and the ignorant US-EU provoking of Russia all add to the rather grim – and once avoidable – destruction.
So it isn’t a dialog anymore, nor will there be responses to the usual defamation and baiting, etc. We’re all on our own now. You’re on your own. It could’ve been different, especially if people sought the truth instead of…entertainment.
The people were warned…and did they listen?
MH
My post was send before I saw thread on Friends of Billy Meier and FIGU facebuk page, where Rhal Zahi and others commented on Don Drasin response….
I agree with your comment Michael, but the majority of humans on this beautiful planet Earth are too materialistically oriented, so for them UFO movies and photos are the only things that can catch their interest, if something “UFO-related” interests them at all…
So and did they listen? NO
Miroslav, could you post a link? I’m having trouble finding this thread.
I totally agree with you MH. Problem is how are we going to convince the general public that all this entertainment and religion is so out of reality that it falls on dead ears and eyes. Seems to me educating the general public no matter where he or she comes from be it the US, Russia or anywhere else on earth it`s just not going to be anogh o convince the people of earth if they refuse to lear the whole real truth of who we really are and where we came from and why lights in the sky are so false and out of reality. I wonder if you,Billy and the P`s aren`t doing enough to convince the people of earth of the real facts? How do we really get the facts out before those prophecies turn in the reality of predictions so people will not have to turn to false religions and mindless entertainment. I can understand why people including myself want to avoid hearing the bad news. There is an old saying my father used to tell me that goes”No news is good news”.If it were good news it would not get reported on the news. I myself try hard to think positive thought even though for me it`s hard considering the bad that has happened to me in the past that has left me living in dire conditions at the moment. So yes it`s better to think good thoughts with good intnetions rather than to dwell on thinking negative thoughs. You don`t want to wish ill will on people most of the time unless it`s the criminal behavore of these politicians,corpolrations,rigions, and the most of the military who know nothing but fighting and killing innocent average human beings just trying to live,survive and get by each day like you and me. But back to the prophecies turning into predictions I wonder just how to convince the people of this planet bout the P`s and their beamships and steer people away from lights in the sky and religion is not going to be easy. We are human beings with free will. Trouble is you can`t just force all this information down somebodies throat and shove it in their throats. Convimcing the general public isn`t going to be easy but then life iusn`t easy either. There is another saying that I really believe in that goes “Where there is a will,there is away” to get around such difficulties.
It’s not important to convince others of anything. If you are working on your own thoughts, happiness, etc., that’s more important.
MH, at the risk of being threatened with censorship again, I’ll ask whether there is
ANY possible evidence that would lead you to conclude that Meier isn’t talking to aliens on a regular basis? I’d love to know what it would take.
Just when it appeared that the Moshemeister had cured himself of his time wasting impulses, well, he fell off the wagon.
Ho hum, censorship may become necessary if you can’t censor yourself.
By asking this question you make it painfully obvious you have not familiarized yourself with this case. Any reasonable person who has will understand that the mountain of scientific evidence supporting the case requires some magical explanation to debunk it all. I would say if there were ONE single piece of evidence that could convince someone as familiar with the case as MH is that it’s all a hoax, it would be that Meier is in possession of a Harry Potter wand.
I added my 2-cents:
“In response to Mr. Drasin’s flawed analysis:
A gyroscopically stabilized model would be NOTICEABLY affected by gyroscopic precession as it is manipulated on a wire. In other words, it would jerk around uncontrollably. What happens to a spinning top when it is nudged?
The blurriness of the object IS adequately quantified: MORE blurry than the house at its most distant point from the camera. LESS blurry than the house at its closest. This comparison is the minimal level of quantification required to rule out a model located between the focal distance of the house and the location of the camera. It also suggests the object moves further and closer than the focal distance of the house. In other words, it travels a significant distance behind and in front of the house.
If the, “extra thickness of the splicing tape” caused, “momentary blurring of adjacent frames”, why is the object blurred more(as it fades) while the tree and house retain the same level of focus/blur in those adjacent frames?
The same at 29:12. The tree and house retain their level of focus while the object becomes noticeably blurry. How does, “pulldown” affect only one specific portion of the image? How would, “pulldown” OR splicing tape thickness create such a gradual fade of ONLY the object?
If the white lines at the top of the frames are evidence of a, “typical cement splice line”, why does it change shape from one frame to the next?
If Meier had edited jumps into his film as you suggest, this should have been easily reproducible by anyone with a potlid, string and an 8mm film camera. Why has it never been attempted in forty years?
Professor Zahi has a more detailed analysis focusing on the jumps:
Super excellent points.
Thanks. Still awaiting approval. Planning to send Mr. Drasin an email once it’s up. Curious to see his response.
Good luck getting a response. I had at one point wanted to know if Mr. Greer would head on over to the East Coast since he’s such good friends with a Rockefella. Instead, my email was never answered probably because I was not instantly salivating over the prospects of spending thousands of dollars to sit at a beach to be lectured to and play mind games for a weekend. You would figure with the alleged connections he has he WOULD be there. But, I guess Elmo/Mickey Mouse suit wearing folks would bug him too much as folks would draw similar analogies to what he’s peddling. That, or he’s afraid of a Naked Cowboy.
I just saw the YouTube video of the pendulum swing that Semjase did back in 1975. Yes Raul Zauhl is super-duper right on point. How could it be otherwise. I think if the film were much sharper maby people might believe you I don`t know? But it`s a thought.
they really are! Well done, Taro!
Thanks, Ev 🙂
This same article also(originally?) appears at UFO Digest. It’s apparently where Mr. Drasin is following the article. FYI, Facebook comments are doing weird things. Not visible on my mobile for some reason(shakes angry fist at The Zuck).
http://ufodigest.com/article/dancing-ufo-filmmaker-dan-drasin-comments-rhal-zahis-analysis-billy-meier-beamship-ufo-film
Excellent post Michael.
it really is
Moshe,
Your are rather foolish, now that’s putting it lightly, to equate or compare religion with what we now study in the spiritual teachings. It proves that you have clearly not done enough research on the topic. Moshe, you are spreading lies, either knowingly or unknowingly.
When masses of people congregate from all across the world to experience enlightenment in a religious sense, they do so mostly in a submissive fearful state of mind in order to appease their god so that “he” will be merciful when the time of judgment comes. Fear will always be the main driving force behind religions which results in complete entrapment, spiritual ignorance, and stagnation of consciousness development. Now, how dimwitted must you be to even consider comparing two things that are primarily so completely apposed to one another?
Nobody flies over to Switzerland to bow down to their lord and master, like how is being done with certain holy persons and gurus across the world. If you take the time to read through the material, you will discover that Billy is absolutely against such submissive behaviour and he conceders himself simply as a messenger doing his duty to help humanity overcome very difficult obstacles.
When we fly over to Switzerland, it is out of curiosity to meet with likeminded humans who share the same passion for freedom justice and truth. Never will it be as with false religious doctrines that rest on foundations that are fundamentally flawed and that demand submission and blind faith from their followers.
There aren’t any facts in your comment, just opinion, so I don’t have anything to grab ahold of.
Not the sharpest tool in the shed, are you?
Nope.
Ladies and Gentlemen,
I give you, The Moshe Pit. A bottomless hole of nothing to interesting. Move along people, no intelligence in there …
I enjoy this good-natured ribbing.