…and they’re often the ones who think they’re the smartest
We all know that today children barely able to walk and speak are already playing with computers and even cell phones. Kids 10 years old and younger know how to operate computers but of course it doesn’t mean they understand everything that they have access to.
But willful stupidity on the part of adults who use computers is another thing. Case in point, you guessed it, the brilliant skeptics who attack the Billy Meier case. But wait, am I not talking about a real scientist, Stuart Robbins, and his sidekick, the anonymous “Nereid”, who simply also must be some credentialed scientist?
Yes, precisely. These two have raised a lot of commotion in yet another vain attempt to discredit the authenticity of the Billy Meier case, specifically his information (and my claims) pertaining to Jupiter, its rings and its moon Io. In this Orwellian doublespeak, kangaroo court spectacle, where I – and anyone else who dares try to insert reason and supporting evidence into the discussion will be told, overtly – or just by being censored – that their contributions aren’t “pertinent”.
Because these blogs can get simply too complicated, I’m going to offer a few “thinking person’s” suggestions. Then, if there’s enough interest, I’ll explain more and, perhaps, Dyson and others will chime in.
Since I am no scientist, I had to learn to think my way through the information I was finding. So, today’s suggestion is that you read the information here and notice a few things, including:
- The copyright dates on the page for A Preliminary Investigation Report
- That Wendelle Stevens had the October 19, 1978 115th Contact notes as of March 9, 1979
- His focus on the specific predictions that were contained within the 115th Contact
- The information about the two at the time still undiscovered planets beyond Pluto
- His mention of the moons of Jupiter also being in this same contact
- His specifically not referring to any information about Jupiter’s rings, Io, etc.
Now, also find the information here regarding the 10 predictions from Contact 115 that were ultimately fulfilled.
We’re going to put some pieces together using the very “common sense” that Nereid derides (hmmm, a lot of the same letters in those two words.
Now I know that there are some scientifically minded folks that read this blog and they may want to know that this has to do with answering those “tough” challenges posed by the skeptics. And they may want to know why I’m so willing to engage these obvious scientific geniuses in a true, open and very public, live debate on the Meier case and this information.
They may also perhaps wonder why the skeptics have gone to such great lengths to try to impose ridiculous restrictions on the evidence I would present.
So, please take a look at the information and the suggested points of contemplation. And see if you can start to put the pieces of the puzzle together yourself.
And please also review Dyson’s truly brilliant contributions, which are deservedly thus referred to, as they explain many things in detail that the skeptics are simply too stupid and inept to have found and for considered themselves, as well as information pertinent to putting the puzzle pieces together.
Hey Michael,
Just to make it perfectly clear, if there’s anything which looks “brilliant” to you in MY contributions here, it certainly doesn’t ORIGINATE from ME, and it would constitute a serious confusion between the message and the medium. I think you might just be a little dazzled by the brilliant enlightenment which truly emanates from the renewed teachings of the truth which I’m privileged to simply try my very best to reflect here accurately in my various translations, explanations, corrections and attempted clarifications, etc.
If you’re to give credit where credit is ACTUALLY due, it goes to Billy & his ET co-workers. But we’re also taught that gratitude is basically misplaced respect. In the past I’ve asked my Swiss friends to pass on my thanks to Billy, and I’m told that “Billy doesn’t like that.” Like him, folks like us are “just doing our duty”.
And, as it says in the OM, (32:2414) “Worte sind wie Blätter, Taten aber wie Früchte.” (Words are like leaves, but acts are like fruit.)
Cheers!
Dyson,
I fully agree!
I do my duty every morning right after coffee and nobody thanks me, nor do I expect to be thanked for performing such duties.
But, without the leafs the plant would not have grown to bear the fruits 😉
Duty is like the fruit of a heavily laden branch on the tree,if it does not freely give or drop its’ fruit the fruit withers,rots and becomes good for little. The best scenario is when other creatures come and pick its’ fruit out of desire for it, either way by releiving itself of the heavy burden it does not break under its’ own weight and will live to produce more. I might add even the dropped and rotted fruit, becomes fertilizer.
Thanks Michael! Many respect the duties you perform…
Salome: Be greeted in peace and wisdom.
Again, for still unknown reasons, Dyson’s latest post didn’t register. So here it is, with an additional link from me:
Hi all,
(This is the second time that I’ve tried to send in this simple idea, which, although automatically acknowledged by Michael’s blog bot, seems not to have arrived. And THIS time, even my OWN file copy also was blank (?!), so maybe it’s seen by some as important enough for me to gently persist with here.)
I was just wondering if any of the professional Meier-defamers want to deal with the case of the Bronze Age “iceman”, Onde (a.k.a. “Urk”, “Ötzi”).
Unless I’ve got it wrong, the published contact notes described the existence of an arrowhead in Onde’s back long before it was discovered by the terrestrial scientists who did the autopsies of the mummy.
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_238
I think at the time that there was zero “plausible deniability” from the Plajaren with this one, and – since no specialist scientific knowledge or jargon is required – the details are easy to understand by those of us who don’t have a doctorate in astrophysics, and will therefore be much more difficult to obscure with sophistry.
Cheers!
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I’ll add this link of mine, since I posted some additional information, etc., there:
http://theyfly.com/newsflash91/5100_year_old_man.htm
…and yes, this is another one of those absolutely remarkable, super specific examples of the prophetically accurate information that the Plejaren provided to Meier.
Last time I checked, the non-historian/non-revisionist archaeologists are sticking with Otzi being ‘shot in the back’ by an arrow. Of course, some elementary questions like the type of bow, materials, and arrow construction that would determine whether there would be enough man power to generate the necessary draw strength to fire an arrow deep into Otzi in the first place is of course never thought of or remotely explained. Also, the arrow would have to penetrate the amount of clothing worn, equivalent to wearing ancient Goretex, by Otzi in the high cold Alps, that was cold enough to preserve him for so long, would need to go through before piercing the skin and causing a critical wound is also missing. Of course, Götterdämmerung would have to pass before archaeologists would figure out the answer to a simple question.
Most likely he fell on the arrow as the Meier case suggested which is reasonable given how deep the arrow head is lodged in.
Great points Duke.
I can understand why you attack ufologists UFO skeptics, because I stopped reading the Brazilian UFO Magazine, why it is written by individuals from poor judgment that has nothing to say and also attack the Meier case whenever they can.
But remember that there are also other reasons for which some people argue the case, very well summarized in the post link below:
https://theyflyblog.com/i-couldn%E2%80%99t-have-said-it-any-better/12/12/2011
Congratulations.
“Because it is written”, not “why”, above.
Perhaps Michael those who are skeptical with the Meier material are too busy battling everyday life with the problems and catastrophes that over population on Earth and it’s innumerable human beings bring to everybody, and that they become marshy in the grey matter?
IMO of the astrophysicist Dr. Stuart Robbins , I would suggest people to relax !!!!! and perhaps assist a person who has dedicated a lifetime of rigorous study concerning serious matters is simply trying to critically think through perphaps something he stubbled upon that he is looking into that he clearly has not concluded a assessment . When people are looking for specific answers to a concerning question, theory or probability, they generally don’t want to be confronted with combativeness. We all can see around what combabtiveness creates …illogic. Cooler minds need to prevail in hot headed world. Relax Salome
The classroom should be full cool calm minds that welcome new classmates, no one should be judged , belittled or insulting a new classmate who you might feel intimidated by the class material. Why insult new classemate who has dozens of question?, you should feel honored a fellow classmate who is a honor roll enters our school of thought. Because the real dunces like class clowns korff were just insults …. warm ups. I have a hunch he will end up tutoring most you.
Dear Luis,
You write, “ … no one should be judged … ”
You are obviously trying to teach us from the wrong book. You’ve got the one falsified by the scribes and Pharisees, and it has poisoned your thinking.
Bible (New Testament) Matthew 7:1 “Judge not, that you be not judged.”
Talmud of Jmmanuel 7:1 «Richtet nicht falsch, auf dass ihr nicht falsch gerichtet werdet.» (“Judge not falsely, lest you be falsely judged.”)
http://tjresearch.info/mt7.htm
And the way you write indicates that you don’t perceive the vile sophistry from Stuart and his co-workers. It’s very hard to miss if you read it.
Billy teaches that anger (displayed without degeneracy) is only ever justified when the truth is being deliberately falsified in order to deceive people. But you write, “ … relax !!!!! and perhaps assist a person who has dedicated a lifetime of rigorous study concerning serious matters.”
(Please do read on and see how sincere assistance is spurned.)
I think you’ve falsely judged those of us trying to defend the truth, and your calls for relaxation may be because your oil-and-balsam Christian values are offended.
Here’s a little excerpt from “And Yet … They Fly!” by Guido Moosbrugger, which I offer to you in the spirit of brotherly love, in the hope that you’ll want to correct your thinking and learn the material before you attempt to teach it to others.
pp.70-71
The Hard Language of Truth
“With the regular repetition of a striking clock, the harsh and rough-hewn language in Billy’s scripts is rejected. A large number of readers are bothered by this fact and prefer to turn to other books whose contents do not attack their psyche so fiercely but instead, soothe it like oil and balsam. Their thoughts can continue along the same old track without having to seek new ways through toilsome efforts. Above all, it is much easier to hang on to traditional ideas than to be faced with completely new facts that can also be very painful every now and then. It must be clear that the truth always sounds hard to a person who finds it annoying and even offensive, so that they feel personally attacked. It also sounds hard because the mirror of their own faultiness and shortcomings is often held before their very noses, although they assess themselves as being almost faultless. Furthermore, the teachings of the spirit require a completely different interpretation. This just so happens to be the way it is found in the nature of the matter. There is no further development if a person thinks the same way in spiritual matters as in physical matters. The language of diplomacy, as commonly used among us on Earth, serves primarily as a means of gaining some type of advantage at the cost of others. The realities are usually improperly and falsely rendered with this form of language and they degenerate into deadly misunderstandings. The truth may never be spread in a diplomatic form. Truth must call the facts by name, as they really are, straightforwardly without belittlement or misappropriation. According to the words of Semjase, paraphrasing and sweet-talking give false impressions with the result that everything is misinterpreted and inappropriately spread, which can lead to renewed false teachings. The language of truth has always been very hard and wherever the attempt was made to paraphrase it, it has been distorted beyond recognition and the real sense was lost. In bearing witness to the truth, a falsification may not occur under any circumstance, as it is a question of the Creational Laws and Directives, which are unwaveringly and forever valid hitherto into all eternity and are in no need of change.
We should thus bear in mind that truth might may not be set forth with fine tongues and soft words. People who are far enough in their spiritual development to understand and grapple the hard language do not take account at Billy’s writing style. Naturally, the same fact can be depicted for the reader in various ways, made palatable so that his or her appetite is not spoiled. But Billy makes use of his hard style with full intent because most of our contemporaries are only roused to their own thoughts in this manner.
According to the Pleiadians, it will not be easy to make this clear to the people of Earth in their present stage of development. They are already too softened and have strayed from the knowledge of truth to the point that they energetically resist everything that sounds like the hard truth.
Hence, know thyself. He who bears the hard, undiplomatic language of truth and acknowledges its worth will find himself on the right path of veritable evolution. Otherwise, for the time being, this way will remain barred to him through hindrances that he must clear away.”
Michael wrote this on Stuart’s blog, “For the record – either here or on my blog should this simple response not be posted – there is already [a] response from Dyson that clarifies the errors on the part of the skeptics here. Dyson goes to some lengths to show the fallacies, lack of understanding, etc., that make the skeptical arguments essentially meaningless…let alone disingenuous. If Stuart wants the essential part of Dyson’s post reproduced here then fine.”
And here’s the response from Stuart’s cowardly attack dog, who uses the false name, Nereid.
“If “Dyson” does not wish to join the discussion here, then I have nothing to say.”
Is this attitude what you describe as coming from “a person who has dedicated a lifetime of rigorous study concerning serious matters”?
This putrid rubbish is undeniably the very antithesis of good science. This is wilful dogmatic arrogant hypocritical ignorance of the very worst kind on a website which has the gall to claim to exist in order to combat “bad science”!
I’m with Duke on this one, Luis, and I was also reminded of the Holy Roman Catholic Church cultists who refused to look through Galileo’s telescope in 1610.
https://theyflyblog.com/why-wont-they-look-through-the-telescope/04/22/2013
”The science delusion is the belief that science already understands the nature of reality. The fundamental questions are answered, leaving only the details to be filled in. In this book (published in the US as Science Set Free), Dr Rupert Sheldrake, one of the world’s most innovative scientists, shows that science is being constricted by assumptions that have hardened into dogmas. The ‘scientific worldview’ has become a belief system.”
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Science-Delusion-Rupert-Sheldrake/dp/144472794X
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/sheldrake.htm
But I’ll leave the final word to Billy, whose refreshingly true words ring out clearly, even in my English translation.
“Besserwisser, Stänkerer, Kritiker und Antagonisten sind sich den wirklichen Tatsachen der Beweisführung nicht bewusst, denn sie negieren aus eigenen intelligenzmässigen Unzulänglichkeiten und infolge ihrer Unbedarftheit prinzipiell alles, was zu einer Beweisführung notwendig ist, ja sie sind sich nicht einmal der Voraussetzungen bewusst, die zu einer Beweisführung gehören. Kleine arme Irre, die ihre Dummheit, ihre Unkenntnis, ihre Weisheitslosigkeit und fehlende Ehrlichkeit mit unlauteren Angriffen und Verleumdungen wettmachen wollen, um damit ihr angeschlagenes oder schwaches Image und ihre unterentwickelte Intelligenz aufzubügeln.”
(Know-it-alls, mischief-makers, critics and antagonists are not conscious of the actual facts of the argument, because, due to their own intellectual inadequacies, and as a consequence of their clueless nature, they negate principally everything which is necessary for a demonstration, indeed they are not at all conscious of the prerequisites which belong to a presentation of evidence. Poor little idiots want to offset their stupidity, their lack of recognition, lack of wisdom and deficient honesty with dishonest attacks and defamations in order to thereby iron out their damaged or weak image and their underdeveloped intelligence.)
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/meier.sdw142.DerfalscheWeg.htm
Salome.
The Galileo reference is obvious, at least to me, considering we’re approaching the same terminal velocity with how, why, and the circumstances that it revolves around for the events to transpire just close enough to bring up the reference. While it’s easy for some folks to take the least path of thinking and feel good about themselves criticizing the Church or religion directly where it is obvious, and in some cases very kosher and easy to do, little thought or real analysis seems to have been missed by the very same folks that are completely blind when it is evident the same circumstances arise in other areas that may conflict directly with their own thoughts and feelings.
In essence, the scientist has become his own worst enemy (if such primitive notions of ‘enemy’ exist). I’ve pointed this out to the past in that the Henock Prophecies make it clear ‘through the fault of scientists’ which is a very responsible blame to claim for the scientists being made. The same Prophecies that appear to be devoid of “lights in the sky” which one has to wonder how coming into a perceived UFO blog the main event, to some folks at least, is not there, nor are there extraterrestrials. It might have to do with a certain Achilles Heel these tech have and something maybe Mr. Putin alluded to as future war:
http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2112637,00.html
“In the near future, he wrote, military strength will rely on a country’s prowess in space and cyber warfare, but further down the line, weapons will emerge based on “new physical principles,” such as “lasers, geophysics, waves, genetic engineering, psycho-physics and etc.” Not only will they be at least as deadly as Russia’s nukes, Putin wrote, but they will be “more acceptable in a political and military sense.”
Luis,
It should also feb known that Stuart Robbins took to censoring so many of my posts because he said they weren’t “pertinent”, meaning he could refute, combat, deal with them.
Once Mahigitam started posting scientific – and common sense – refutation of the deliberate disinformation and distraction from Robbins and the other anonymous coward even this comment was censored:
Mahigitam,
While much of the specific science is beyond my understanding, I did notice that the word “ring” is used no less than 45 times in this article pertaining to the Io plasma torus:
http://www-ssc.igpp.ucla.edu/personnel/russell/papers/808/IO_Waves.html
Comment by Michael Horn — November 3, 2013 @ 1:48 pm | Reply
If you read Mahigitam’s comments you’ll understand why mentioning a scientific article that used the word “ring” so many times and that effectively shredded the specious nonsense and lies perpetrated and perpetuated by Robbins and the skeptics, was so threatening to them.
And there are others in the so-called educated, science loving world who don’t want to know a thing about the Meier case. Like TED, an often otherwise helpful organization that also bans anything to do with Rupert Sheldrake:
https://theyflyblog.com/why-wont-they-look-through-the-telescope/04/22/2013
Stuart made a mistake with regards to using inter-networking technology. See, the mistake here is that there is an assumption the “internet” would allow a common amount of sense to permeate the discussion which would make sense if anyone followed evolution and allow people to Create a discussion normally expected from internet posts, leave a comment section to a blog, thread forum, etc. People learn via engagement better than they do with school-based knowledge even if the internet is riddled with trolls.
Sadly, it’s not common sense but narrow posting requirements and rigid expert opinion backed by voluminous amounts of proof and documentation with only the most narrow of perspective in order to build an aggregate form of an expert submission post for an approval to even be allowed to debate is not something website log discussions is about in the first place. Everyone can understand not allowing advertisement posts for example or keeping things on discussion with the topic. However, expecting everyone to be a member of the Peer Review Consensus Committee is not something the Inter-network systems or world-wide web-site systems were designed for. There are other avenues for those types of engagements. Then again, not many people like opening cans yet continue to do so anyway.
Should be: “It should also be known…”
Not to mention Mahitigam’s excellently constructed, pertinent & fact-filled posts were completely ignored and brushed aside by Psuedo-Pstu himself. And his little pet recently bowed out with the grace & dignity of a chihuahua getting its paws caught in deer grates .. poor pathetic creature. The disingenuousness and unscience-like science (aka psuedo-science) exercised over there is an embarrassment to those who practice their craft with dignity, honesty, forthrightness, comprehensiveness, fairness, iow a being real in the true humaneness.
Go have a look at the cowardly spineless exit, in the face of Mahitigam’s air-tight fact-based logic, of Pstu’s lap-dog, who calls itself Nereid.
http://pseudoastro.wordpress.com/2013/10/21/podcast-episode-90-investigation-into-billy-meiers-alleged-foreknowledge-about-jupiter-and-saturn/
Michael,
I see your point and clearly it’s valid, attempting to deflect the information by stating that comments you’re making are not pertinent , is actually quite childish. On the other hand I see how Robbins is somewhat perplexed as to why the material and its specifics are presented in such a somewhat “layman ” fashion. My personal opinion really is that a majority of the material that present to earth humans is probably just a small fraction of the whole… And the whole is otherwise is beyond our scope of comprehension , so naturally presented material with underlining and context needs to “slowed down ” for our already slowed down developmental state as whole human species on earth.
As Ptaah himself is said to have stated, scientists (and pseudoscientists) like to use scientific terms and jargon to elevate themselves form “ordinary” people, many of whom can think much more clearly than the parrots who try to obfuscate plain facts and logic by claiming it isn’t scientific enough. Perhaps I will post a little blog about how easy it is to understand and to perceive the authenticity of the Meier case by examining the very mundane but hugely important existing evidence but which also requires a little patience and, yes…common sense.
Michael,
For whatever reason Robbins has been tackling a lot controversial issues in which one would assume, “okay so he’s going down the paranormal line one after another” and on his list was of course …Meier. Maybe, however one move he’s made on his paranormal bucket list Michael was tackling the Apollo 11 moon landing, in which he agrees it never happened. I don’t think he’s fully concluded his assessment on the case and all that it entails, Is he upset as to how its turning out ? We don’t know that for sure Michael, but I’m 100% confident the plejaren’s will voice their assessment of there own on Robbins and it will probably contain what his intentions are and we’re this might lead. Korff was a warm up ……a dry run.
Robbins is merely trying to “be somebody”, I.e. he’s ambitious to gain some status online and figured the easy way was to go after the jokers in the paranormal field.
He has demonstrated that he can’t think, has zero real curiosity and is trying to back up his initial, lazy claims that Meier is a hoax. And as far as I know he’s a staunch defender of the Apollo 11 moon landing. Let’s also remember that he works for…NASA.
Michael,
Then perhaps you should call him out some of the pert ocular incidents that has been encountered with NASA , Billy and the plejarens, I’m referring to the incident of Werner Von Braun one of his own team members who were pulled into a telemetry disk and called out on the moon landing , Ernst Stuhlinger . His wife is still alive I’m sure she could bring some in site to the incident perhaps.
http://landtrustnal.org/stuhlinger-donation-adds-wade-mountain-preserve/
Also I bet Ernest wive is in the possession on a item that is ride to the incident, Michael your should reach out to her.
Luis, I doubt that Stuhlinger revealed his experience to anyone and, even if he did, I’m sure that neither he nor his wife, if they are alive, would want the kind of trouble it would bring to them to speak about it.
More importantly, considering how Robbins has attacked, ignored and dismissed sue of the best evidence, there’s no way that he would do anything less than attack this, especially since there’s only Meier’s word that it all happened.
Michael,
I see your point and clearly it’s valid, attempting to deflect information by implying the information within your comments are not pertinent , is actually quite childish. On the other hand I see how Robbins is somewhat perplexed as to why the material and its specifics are generally presented in such a somewhat “layman ” fashion. My personal opinion really is that a majority of the material that’s currently present on earth is probably just a small fraction of the whole… And the whole is otherwise perhaps beyond our scope of comprehension, so naturally the current presented material with it’s underlining contexts needs to “slowed down ” for our already slowed down developmental state of the human species on earth overall.
But again I think its great there’s a creditable scientist who concerning himself and placing his credentials at risk. Now as to how genuine he’s efforts are and what his purpose he has one can only speculate on his intentions.
Robbins only “placed his credentials at risk” accidentally, since he thought that taking on the Meier case was going to be just as easy as shooting all the fish in the inane paranormal barrel. I think he’s not happy with what’s happened to his “credentials”, i.e. how flimsy he appears to be as any kind of real scientist.
Dyson,
Just a few things, in no way am I religious. Also you by assuming and making a blanket statement that i have a “oil and balsam mind ” is insulting and you should feel guilty and apologize, I have never personally attacked you and insulted your state of evolution. I can comment on your lack of tact and the fine smoothness of 40 grit sand paper deliveries you final touch all your rants with but that would not accomplish anything. Also I love Gallieo I actually replica first published moon phases replica he drew up in my home as well as a pendulum clock (which he was a inventor of as well).