Friends, did you know that for as little as $1,850 – or as much as $3,350 – you too can “make Contact with ET civilizations” and “become an Ambassador to the Universe”?
That’s right, thanks to Stephen Greer, the pretentious profiteering purveyor of six-inch aliens and all that is bogus you too can flush your money, intelligence and common sense down the drain.
Yes, indeed, you can be taught by a “teacher” who has zero actual verifiable “Contact with ET civilizations” himself. But heck, this is the internet age (and the age of phantasmagoria) and the truth is certainly no obstacle for the ambitious, celebrity-seeking poseurs in the UFO community who do more to harm access to the truth than the so-called “government cover-up” that they rail against.
And please, PLEASE, I don’t want to hear about what a great job the Disclosure Project may have done. Fine. That was then. This is now. And this phony snake oil salesman – who declined all of the evidence in the Billy Meier case in favor of selling his disclosure charade – should be thoroughly ashamed of himself.
to borrow a phrase from my ancestors – oy vey ist mir !
talk about the blind leading the blind .. or maybe a wolf leading sheep
It would appear that it is more lucrative to steal from the insane than from the infirm, otherwise why give up a career in medicine to, as Michael puts it “be a pretentious profiteering purveyor of all that is bogus”. (I love that line) thanks Michael.
This may sound strange coming from me but Mr. Greer did a professional interview with Russian Today earlier this month. Suit and tie, the works!
He certainly went into history with the Ancient Aliens question that sounded like the conversation was going to the ridiculous but ended up dropping some heavy stuff.
Good luck finding it on you-tube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwwtxHEI0Wc
Michael, if Ms Abby Martin https://twitter.com/AbbyMartin would interview that exploiter of the gullible & credulous, I don’t see why she wouldn’t have you on.
Bruce,
PLEASE feel free to invite her to do so!
Here…hear…heir Bruce, I clicked on this one on the You Tube side line tract of your posted video.
Excellent video. Anyone who would like to bring the Meier material to her attention, please contact her…and let her know.
Good find, Darcy. Michael, there’s Abby Martin’s facebook links
https://www.facebook.com/BreakingTheSet
https://www.facebook.com/JournalistAbbyMartin
Maybe you can get through to her there.
Thanks Bruce, I’m no longer on FB. You know that I’ll be on it but I’m hoping for a little proactivity from anyone else who wants to participate in spreading the word too. FB would be a good place for that since I won’t be doing it.
Michael, I wrote to Abby Martin on her breaking the set youtube site. Hopefully it doesn’t get lost in cyberspace.
Thanks Bruce.
Where else in the world can you get such “brilliant” salesmanship? All at the cost of the most important(truthful) information…he fell right in line with the rest of them eventually. I wonder if he gets 20 “enlightened ones” regularly? probably….
They truly have done more harm than good yet, that’s what they get paid to do. Always eventually comes down to the money and “fame” with these types.
Though I do agree and find real reason(truth) with the false ET attack/space weapons/ET conditioning scenario. Maybe in the end, that was all Greers purpose was and it has come and gone. Hopefully!?!?!
The layers of this “onion” hurt almost every sense available…
Best to just chop it up and make some fajitas.. It will only be a few days before it is expelled thoroughly.
At this point probably better he didn’t promote Billy’s case! Could have been another Koff in the making…
What those who don’t look below the surface of things in general and Dr. Steven Greer in particular don’t understand, is that he openly explains that he was chosen by Laurence Rockefeller to “do this”. So he gathered 500 or so heroic, trusting, military/industrial/intelligence witnesses together and then trashed their testimony with he “Sirius” agitprop. And you all fell into the trap and don’t even know it. Pathetic. Meier followers should know better than that.
How can you be so blind?
So those unfamiliar with the details of the truth are the very ones – often well-meaning – who serve the sinister plans of the Order of Darkness, in this case by (UNKNOWINGLY) condemning the original Disclosure Project, through facile guilt-by-association, or due to subconscious egoism issues due to Greer’s style and persona. And in doing so they thwart – EXACTLY AS PLANNED! – the self-same progress in this last battle of the Copernican Revolution we Meier student long for. Talk about being you own worst enemies!
Anyone here familiar with the concept of “divide and conquer”?
Anyone here read “Disclosure”? I GREATLY doubt it.
I know Michael hasn’t, because when we hardly had enough money to feed ourselves, we bought him a copy and airmailed it to him from Australia. He didn’t read it. It was too long. So he didn’t know that the Disclosure Project was one of EXCLUSIVELY INSIDER military / industrial / intelligence witnesses NOT CSETI! (dammit!) So he tried to contact the Greer’s DP/CSETI people, which at that stage was already redolent with administrative saboteurs, was told the nature of the project and that Meier didn’t fit within it, and was knocked back.
Michael, clearly incensed, immediate removed his link to the DP more than a decade ago, and cannot or will not differentiate between it and all the chaff that buries it.
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/CSETIneedstoknow.htm
EVERYBODY needs to know this! Can you not look past the decoys?
PLEASE bite the bullet, buy the SIRIUS DVD, laugh about the foolish nonsense about ETs and then TRY to get the rest – about the nature of the coverup by the shadow government that’s making your lives so hard now – into your heads.
Ignore Greer’s egomania unless you cannot (WHY not? Something wrong with YOURS?) And ignore his delusions about ETs Try to inform yourselves and live Billy’s teachings instead of being mindless sheep.
For the love of PEACE.
I disagree. I’m not interested in the least in machinations of the D.O. or any of the conspiracy stuff, the shadow government, etc., etc. Light and dark co-exist, one way or another, and we work to learn true neutral-positivity.
There’s a bunch of baddies who use all of this UFO stuff to further their evil agenda. That’s nice. And just where in the spiritual teaching are we told to get all hot and bothered about that?
The good people and good work in the Disclosure Project is acknowledged.
UFOs, cover-up, alternative energy…blah, blah, blah. Anyone who really thinks this is primarily all about UFOs is mistaken. But the UFO nonsense is the eye candy and the distraction from the truth and, as I recall, we’re more interested in how to think, be self-responsible and build upon those cornerstones of evolution – love, peace, freedom and harmony.
Greer’s information was what actually got me first interested in the topic of ET/UFO’s.. and how our world and I fit into it.
I have had a couple weird sightings in my life… but that’s about it.
I own the Disclosure book and am looking at it again right now. Has been a long time!!! Well, if 10-11 years is a long time.
I guess I found myself so inundated with what was considered a life back then, that I took it at face value and saw what I thought was truthful(as far as all the witnesses/earth issues). I signed on and made contributions, after which found them to seem “sincere” but only truly after that which lies in my wallet.
It seems purely logical that it was all a farce to begin with… to suck everyone in, chew em up a bit, only to spit it all back out. plausible! Would be an easy way to get everyone willing to talk together.. to deal with therein.
In that regard would partially explain the “seemingly” rapid decline of the whole endeavor. Though 9/11 was right at its heals, another coincidence?
Any which way… I am grateful for it, as not long after through Gaiaguys, I was introduced to Billy Meier. At that point, it felt like the truth was slowly coming together, as far as it can be recalled within myself.
Mike,
I have to point out, the inverse of that argument, which is people are totally glued on UFOs themselves, can also be said with such prime examples as the WCUFO and other of Meier’s pictures! How many time have you in all of your work on the Meier material have been spent going over the UFOs of Billy Meier? What initially drew your attention to Meier in the first place? What did the Plejaran say about Billy’s great contribution to the UFO efforts?
Take a look at Dan Akroyd’s Ghost Bustin’ interview regarding his take on the UFOs. You’ll see a lot of familiar pictures flying about there.
Think about it (privately).
The UFOs were the eye candy that succeeded in getting the attention and creating the controversy.
My issue is with the smarmy, cynical selling of hokum by Greer, someone who knows that the Meier case is singularly authentic. Whether it’s for the reasons that Dyson explained, or something else, he is someone who contributes to the suppression of the truth and in fact, like the other naked profiteers, the marginalization of the UFO topic, since other people may then lump it together then with any and everything UFO related…like the Meier case.
Hiya Michael,
VERY apt question, thanks. I like the easy ones! 🙂
You wrote, “I disagree. [about need to know about the DP insider whistleblowers’ revelations] I’m not interested in the least in machinations of the D.O. or any of the conspiracy stuff, the shadow government, etc., etc. Light and dark co-exist, one way or another, and we work to learn true neutral-positivity. There’s a bunch of baddies who use all of this UFO stuff to further their evil agenda. That’s nice. And just where in the spiritual teaching are we told to get all hot and bothered about that?”
Did I say you should get hot and bothered? Of course not. We’ve unlearnt that long ago, nicht wahr?
I said you should become knowing, ie. inform yourself, read books, bla, bla, you’ve heard it all before. Billy bangs on about it all the time in his many thick books I’m translating for anyone who does that “learning” stuff. You know, “consciousness evolution” and all that?
Had you been listening, you wouldn’t have to ask me your question, because the answer was deeply buried on you’re trolled “And Did They Listen?” thread around the day before yesterday, as a matter of fact. By some weird coincidence.
I’ll paste it in here:
Dyson Devine says:
January 28, 2014 at 5:58 am
(snip)
Billy teaches that under no circumstances should bad things (dangerous things for example) be afford ANY less respect than good things, for obvious reasons, if you think about it. Geisteslehre students have to spend something like two YEARS studying, in exquisite detail, stupid hoaxed “ancient scriptures” that the Gnostics are enthralled by, simply because you have to know what you oppose in order to properly oppose it.”
“you have to know what you oppose in order to properly oppose it”
I know NICHTS about the Plejaren science of Astrology, but I assume it’s eerily accurate, But I know a fair bit about earth humanoid star-reading (the 4% stuff) and I know it’s not. Sometimes, sure, you luck out and get a miracle, but it’s not something to put your faith in, (nor is anything else) and if it, being earth humanoid star-reading (the 4% stuff), is a science, then I am Marie of Romania. So I oppose it. It’s bad. And Billy says so to. I wish you knew.
So if you lack knowledge, absolutely regardless of whether it’s knowing about good or bad, you’re not left with anything which can be turned into wisdom, cause FAITH sure don’t work! And if the thing about which you don’t know is REALLY big and important, like the DP info. or the full Meier library, or crop circles, then life is like a minefield full of unexploded ordinances and venomous snakes, and you chances of long term health and happiness are reduced reversely proportionate to your unknowingness. But if you know which snakes are dangerous, and how to spot a mine, well, you’re a lot safer. Simple.
And you can’t complain that Greer’s JUST a rip off artist, because, even though his suborned minions, lackies, toadys, myrmidons, etc., told me I was “NOT allowed” to give the DP stuff away, they had to sell it (for some token fee like $5), I went ahead and posting it all up on line more than a decade ago, And it’s still there. Sue me.
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/DPBDRosin.htm
🙂
I hope that’s adequately answered your question Michael, and as ever, I thank you for giving me the opportunity to do so. Much better than the old email days when we did all this privately.
Cheers!
P.S. You wrote, “Light and dark co-exist, one way or another, and we work to learn true neutral-positivity”.
We “work” by learning.
Ja?
And the only way we will be about to learn what’s truly neutral, is by making accurate identifications of the two poles which constitute it. That demands studying everything, the good and the bad, in ORDER to identify which is which.
🙂
In the same vein as a comment I made on another blog to you, regarding the ferocity with which you’ve come at Tony because of his astrological claims, specifically your concerns that he has, and will continue to bilk people out of untold sums, etc., it seems like you’ve made some internal peace with the fact that Mr. Greer is clearly selling that which he is unable to deliver…and doing it with quite a smile on his face.
Whatever comes of the astrology debate, where is your outrage and cut and paste on this guy (not that I think we really need any more book length blog entries that few but their author will take the time and interest to read online)?
Really, is it because you found some good in the DP that you DON’T publicly, and with all the mental, verbal horsepower available to you that you don’t always unleash responsibly, rip this scam artist a new one? $3,300 to make contact with ET civilizations, become an ambassador to the universe, etc.? In your passion to protect the consumer, and certainly Greer’s been successfully selling this garbage to many gullible people, do ya think that just maybe he’s done and is doing far more REAL damage to the truth than anyone who may be an astrologer?
In our case we have effectively anonymous Tony who you’ve lambasted…as if he’s doing exactly what Greer is. Let’s also state that there actually IS a historical record and use (or misuse if you wish) of astrology going back a very long time historically. And people have plied that trade, for better or for worse. How does Greer remain unscathed by the righteous crusader when the magnitude of his scam is so monumental…to say nothing of his selling something that “officially” doesn’t exist?
“And just where in the spiritual teaching are we told to get all hot and bothered about that?” Did you hear that Mister One Anger Fits All?
Greer is an idiot, and probably always will be.
Oh NO! He’s FOLLOWING me!
🙁
The shadow government or do you mean the one world order? They are not important or they fail to show evidence of being.
I wrote the (supranational) “shadow government”.
You write, “They are not important or they fail to show evidence of being.”
You’re joking, Darcy.
Do you think Billy is wrong as well as all us DP insider whistleblowers with our evidence? Have you studied either source?
Cheers!
Can anyone reference anything in the Billy Meier material that is mathematical and might interest a Math theorist and scholar.
http://ulster.academia.edu/PatMuldowney
Hi doirecity!
What a great idea! Since I don’t think much about offering proof, that never even occurred to me, but I wish it had.
Billy is of course a consummate mathematician and there are a couple of places in the contact notes where he shows his calculations to Ptaah. I’m not a mathematician, and the insanely complex and advanced higher mathematics I had to master when I was an 18 year old student radar technician, let me think, in the Late Bronze Age, had gone the way of all things, like an unspoken foreign language, so I can’t help in any way other than to tell you there IS stuff which might interest a mathematician, but I haven’t got clue where it could be. It’s not in my notes. Maybe try the FIGU forums.
But the crop circle makers (ET type) graphically elucidated 5 Euclidean theories, when Euclid only found two, which, in my way of thinking is pretty good evidence for “outside knowledge”, but nobody knows and nobody cares. I had a LOT on it on my old site, but – like I said – ET’s – boring. A lot of the Meier stuff was saved, because my good friend James Moore (FoM) is a Meier-camp guy, but not a crop circle guy, so ….
It’s like scalar weaponry and magnetogravitics, etc. Lay people don’t know, so they don’t care. Working academics either already work for the Pentagon or are too scared to lose their tenure for embarrassing the hand that feeds them by believing in space aliens, etc. so … nobody cares. Hopeless.
It’s the same with linguistics! Guido put a chart in his “And Still They Fly” book showing the families of languages and which languages went where. I’ve posted it up in various Figuoid places on the Net. It would be inconceivably valuable information to Earth linguistic historians, but 1). it’s too esoteric, and 2). of course it would also provide logical (irrefutable?) evidence that the whole Plejaren thing was REAL, and we can’t have THAT!
I’ll have a look anyway if you like, but I don’t like my chances leafing through the equivalent of one unindexed book 50cm thick.
:-/
Cheers!
Sorry, not, “Euclid only found two”
Should be, “Euclid only found THREE”
DD
Hello Dyson
The mathematician I have linked is my step father. I wouldn’t even begin to try to explain the math he works on and creates.
My thinking was it would be nice if we could get another scholar to endorse the Meier material.
With all the evidence and emphasis is on prophecies, pictures, video and crop circles. Although some of it irrefutable. It would be nice to present a different angle to in Evidence. An endorsement of a mathematical nature.
Of course he would first have to see something of interest. Any ideas
would be great.
If anything came of this, maybe Michael could use it as more ammo.kind of like having the latest extraterrestrial laser gun at your disposal.
I have sent my step father a few links in the past but he has politely never commented. I’m sure he thinks I’m loosing it. LOL. I COULD BE!!
He has also translated and published ancient Irish language, so I would love to send him the linguistic material you have.
Any
Thanks all
Dubhaltagh
A couple of links for him:
http://theyfly.com/scientific-experts-comments-meiers-evidence
http://www.theyfly.com/corroboration-evidence
How would mathematical evidence from Billy translated on Coast to Coast sound. That might get tricky. lol
If it was something that was easy enough to convey it would work. Also, there are two Austrian brothers who are physicists who Meier has given mathematical info to. I will come up with their contact info at some point.
I’ll get that language info together for you soon, doirecity.
It’s Fig. 2-5, on page 24, Chapter 2, of the first edition of “And YET They Fly” by Guido Moosbrugger.
Edition 2, “And STILL They Fly”, is available for $27 in Micahel’s shop as a scanned ebook.
http://www.theyfly.com/and_still_they_fly.html
A used hard copy on ebay will set you back US$300.
Heaven only knows what a collector would pay for “And YET They Fly”!
😉
Síochána i eagna
Seven years or so ago he was collecting donations for a project to bring scientists and engineers together to build a free energy device. Nothing ever came of it and I don’t know what he did with all the money. Don’t invest in this guy, you will regret it.
WHATWHATWHAT?
Did someone say “free energy device”?
http://oilprice.com/Interviews/Energy-at-Less-than-0.01-per-kW-An-Interview-with-Alex-Xanthoulis.html
Almost free.
This one’s not free, but it’s bloody CHEAP. And it’s REAL. And it’s happening. Sell your stocks and bonds.
And entirely self funded, and already with factories all over the place making the dirt cheap little non-radioactive “cores” like printer cartridges.
The US Navy’s bought two one megawatt units – Rossi uses a standard shipping container, and sells then CHEAP @ $1m/unit, which means that you get your money back if you just sell your power to the grid. Wonderful. We’re NOT doomed after all. I’m glad I know about electrodynamics! I could be RICH! Nah! Who’d wanna be rich? You’d never know who your friends were.
This one didn’t get scuttled by Greer’s crashed & burned SEASPOWER Inc. (subtle pun) business initiative or his current one, not yet crashed and burned.
http://www.theorionproject.org/en/
Hmm. Orion. Sirius. There’s that occult connection to the control group again. Why, if I hadn’t known that, I might have put my MONEY behind them!
OM32:2419 “Die Unwissenheit ist ein freiwilliges Unglück.”
English: Ignorance is voluntary misfortune.
Figuish: The unknowingness is a voluntary mishappening. (No joke. I don’t want your pity, just try to understand that I thought I was going to translate into ENGLISH, if only I hadn’t been ignorant of FIGU’s plans I could have joined the Raelians. They’d never have me now.)
Cheers!
🙂
Until Greer and the two other scientists were threatened by a former U.S. member of the 3 letter group and the free energy project came to an end or was “given” to the military industrial complex. Oh look, it’s sitting right there at Skinwalker Ranch. Steven Greer is a sell out and the only reason I thought that Disclosure could never come to fruition is because they would have to come clean with all their shenanigans like the abductions and mutilations and spying. They are not willing to do that. Simply because that would make for a lot of angry people. This morning the CBC broke the news that our phones are being tracked by CSES using their new all powerful surveillance network. Not news to anyone who reads the Meier material.
Hi Sheila,
“the only reason I thought that Disclosure could never come to fruition is because they would have to come clean with all their shenanigans like the abductions and mutilations and spying”
But they did. It’s in there. And then Ptaah finally chimed in and – after 22 years – supported it. I provided all the URLs recently.
Cheers!
Find a speck of truth, elaborate,speculate and paint a picture that bares no resmblance to truth. That my friends, is Steven Greer, master of rhetoric, in a rhetorical world. Let me phrase that differently, he found a worm put it on a hook and is now reeling in the fish.
Before he did it, he described how it works.
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/DP-DDT.htm
CSETI is the bathwater. The DP is the baby. Be knowing.
Salome
A person would be better off purchasing $2000 worth of “Star Wars” movies, comic books, and action figures to make contact with ETs rather than give Greer a penny for his bleep. I do NOT follow anybody. I think for myself.
OH NO, NOT YOU TOO, ANTHONY!
Coming back to just “get off fcking with” me again!
WHY do you want this. Michael?
If you’re referring to Anthony’s not wanting to pay a penny for Greer’s b.s., I agree with him.
Hey your worship,
This is NOT your blog. This place belongs as much to me as it does to you. And I am not commenting at you. So go translate something you bleep. The world is starving for your brilliance. 🙂
PS- I am a major “Star Wars” fan and I think there is a lot of truth in this science fiction.
You’re up way past your bedtime!
Your Double D Dynasty, your excellence in superior understanding, you are chasing the joke. I am clearly not past my bedtime because no matter how childish I might seem to your grandeur, I am thinking for myself. I wonder if you are not some clever spook who has gained heroism because of your Figu translations, and is twisting the truth or you are just as dense as they come. You clearly are intentionally trying to ram things to cover up opinions and demand your own; or you are some super paranoid nut case who thinks he is special because he has read a lot of books and has languages. But in reality is crying for attention as he is running along on his hamster mill.
Love ya, Sparky. You bright and super intelligence, with god-like understanding. I believe in you. I will yield my opinions to what brilliance you have corrected me. I am your servant, oh great one. NOW, Will you stop stalking my contribution; after all I have bought the Billy Meier book and a DVD? I am trying.
Cheers! 🙂
Perhaps you two were spouses in past lives, forget it.
Sure the UFO photos Meier took drew me and others into investigating Meier’s contact reports but since then Meier and the plejaren have not released any newer photos. Not a bad decision on their part because the photos do nothing but say, yes there ate really be am ships so why keep seeking for more when we already know be am ships exists? What’s more important than that is the knowledge the is conveyed in the contact reports and how they further authenticate a real ongoing ET contact that has a more important meaning to all of earth humanity. Now try doing this to other supposed contactees and see how far you get. You can start by looking at their photos as we did with Meier’s case and then look at the information these frauds try to publish for money. Does it sound like fear mongering and paranoia or does it lead humans to a better path in life? That is the main difference that keeps me reading on in the Meier case versus Stephen greers disclosure project. Sure Greer can say he contacted high level government officials but that’s not going to make the government openly state the truth that ETs do exist. They just want ET technology for power while continuing to neglect their existence in order to keep the sheeple under their control.
Hey gchamp,
The problem with the DP is that it puts all the credibility on the government. Like they are going to tell you the truth?:) Most likely there is an agenda. The big scam when it comes to the whole UFO-ET connection is the impression that all this exotic earth technology was backengineered from aliens. As we learn from the Meier case this is simply not true. The WWII Germans invented the flying saucer from impulses from real ETs. The Germans never had any crashed saucers or other alien hardware from which to use.
The problem is that every time the public is confronted with the UFO subject, they are programmed to automatically think ALIENS. I think the government has tried to convince, through fake contacts, fake alien abductions, fake alien sightings, even some crop circles, etc, the pubic to accept that ALL UFOs must be extraterrestrial. This is simply not the case. According to Meier there have only been a handful of real ET crashes on Earth. And no real ET abductions. NOT much for the earth humans to work with. So most of the secret stuff that lay hidden at secret government bases, underground facilities and the like, is all terrestrial. Except for maybe a small part. This is what they are hiding!
The DP is a scam to pass off secret terrestrial technology as all alien. They do this to keep foreign countries and enemies in the dark, but probably to also, at one point or another, stage a mock alien invasion. Plus they are trying to keep the public away from the Plejaren.
The reason that the DP does not recognize Billy Meier is because it goes against their agenda to pass off everything as coming from the gods. If you are to take Meier seriously, then you must discount Greer and his band as nothing more than ‘lights in the sky’ religion to take people away from looking at the Billy Meier information and the truth.
Cheers!
Hey Anthony,
You appear to have forgotten the ‘rulers of the dead’, you know, the >BAFATH< that's glaring mentioned with giant letters in the Meier material. I'm not typing that for emphasis, it's there in both german and english all in caps. Must be a point to it. Rulers of the dead and descending to the underworld aren't exactly ET related things if you did not notice yet for the ancient myths described to the old 'gods'.
"Plus they are trying to keep the public away from the Plejaren."
How did the DP do this? I never heard ONCE about Pleidians from Greer or the DP witnesses, which is how the alleged Plejaran originally promoted themselves to Meier. You can't blame not mentioning something and mistaken that Phil Langdon's seminal works.
While Meier didn't explain it, it becomes plain near apparent since you unwittingly mentioned the 'old gods' which happen to be Maia, the mother of Hermes, were "Pleidians". Any coincidence?
"The reason that the DP does not recognize Billy Meier is because it goes against their agenda to pass off everything as coming from the gods."
Oh good, please give us a lesson exactly that shows us these things? Can you or do you ACTUAL know what you're talking about the things that 'came from the gods' without sounding like Tsoukalos on a good-bad hair day? You know, we're not talking about centuries here we're talking about millenniums.
"The reason that the DP does not recognize Billy Meier is because it goes against their agenda to pass off everything as coming from the gods."
No they don't. Did you see any of the interviews? Not even GREER says that! I disagree with the specifics of Eisenhower's quotes and Nicola Tesla … but I think you mixed up Ancient Aliens with DP.
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Let's try an experiment here.
What's wrong with this statement:
It's one in the morning.
Thanks, Michael. More easy ones!
🙂
Of course your blog comments page is organised in such a way that about the time a series of responses gets to the best questions to me, there’s no “Reply” option afforded me, so I have to scroll right down to the bottom of your page with my (then) out of order/context replies, so please forgive me if this is confusing to you or your readers. Also, please forgive the length of my replies, which I’ll insert, below excerpts of your questions/comments to me.
I think we’ve stumbled on a happy solution to two of the difficulties we both share here.
You write,” In the same vein as a comment I made on another blog to you, regarding the ferocity with which you’ve come at Tony because of his astrological claims, specifically your concerns that he has, and will continue to bilk people out of untold sums, etc.,…”
My PRIMARY concern is the obfuscation of Billy’s precious teachings through chaos, distortions, distractions and disruptions.
My secondary concern is you advertising your friend’s remunerative star-reading / fortune-telling, in such a way that a casual observer who doesn’t have the time or interest to look deeper, well believe that Billy is SUPPORTING it, as opposed to vociferously and unambiguously OPPOSING it as impossible, nonsensical, drivel.
THEN comes the criminal-fraud / consumer-protection stuff. But for someone who claims to have had thousands of students and clients since 1979 with his “accurate” (4% correct is accurate?) predictions, he has ZERO public history, so this is a minor component of my reasons for opposing it, not the major one you seem to believe it is – until the fraud squad comes to your door due to all the publicity you’re giving him. Why are you and your friend polluting THIS thread too? You gave him his own dedicated webpage, for goodness sake. Keep it quarantined there why don’t you.
You continue, “it seems like you’ve made some internal peace with the fact that Mr. (sic.) Greer is clearly selling that which he is unable to deliver…and doing it with quite a smile on his face.”
I was well aware before we Official Disclosure Project Representatives started to be forced to join CSETI, that things were uncool over there with “Greer’s people” in Arlington Virginia (metropolitan twin of Washington DC, and home of the CIA). We were uniquely successful with our Australian grass roots promotions, in spite of the fact that the majority of our assistance came from volunteers who happened to look, to the trained eye, like intelligence agents from the USA, the UK, Israel, Germany and probably other axis powers.
So when legitimate people tried to climb on the bandwagon and become part of this “heroic grass roots movement” to promulgate the sworn testimony of these 500 insider whistleblowers (one of whom was also me), one woman named Raven Killidar (see her 5-5-05 email sacking us) who was aggressively unco-operative – promising to publish details of our upcoming events and then not, etc. general covert sabotage – eventually wrote and told these prospective DP Rep volunteers, that their services were not required (after initially ignoring correspondence of course) because the entire continent (bigger than Europe!) of Australia had two DP Reps already (us). We were several hours away from Brisbane and a full long day’s drive from Sydney – way out in the sticks. So we knew the fix was in. It was 2005.
When we abruptly got the boot, a matter of days after being told that we were “the best DP Reps (in the world)”, we wrote the “What CSETI Needs to Know” articles, posted the correspondence and blew the whistle, on our now famously defunct website, archived bits of which can be read by anyone with the time and interest to read things, linked on Jan 31, 2:05am, from the above URL, reproduced here once again, for your convenience.
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/CSETIneedstoknow.htm
So your remark to me, (“it seems like you’ve made some internal peace with the fact that Mr. (sic.) Greer is clearly selling that which he is unable to deliver”) suggesting that I’ve only just now “made peace” with that sad fact, evinces that you’ve ether not read, or not remembered, that I told you the fix was in back in 2005. We’re warming to a theme here with you, Michael.
You continue, “Whatever comes of the astrology debate, where is your outrage and cut and paste on this [Greer] guy (not that I think we really need any more book length blog entries that few but their author will take the time and interest to read online)?”
See above. Some of our “outrage” is archived on futurofmankind.co.uk in the form of a very broad and deep article. You didn’t read it. You used to tell me that you didn’t read the comments you post on your blog either, so it surprised me the other day when you said you did. What surprised me was not that you’d changed your mind, realising that you’d been infiltrated by our adversaries while you were in airports. It surprised me because, as above, it seemed like you still weren’t reading them, because I’d ask you specific simple questions, sometimes about products, etc. (in an effort to assist with your sales, etc.) and these questions would go unanswered. Now I’m getting the feeling that some of my recent contributions which you’ve silently banned, also went into the bin unread. “(not that I think we really need any more book length blog entries that few but their author will take the time and interest to read online)?” you write.
As I’ve tried to explain, Michael, but you wouldn’t have read, Billy’s written tens of thousands of pages (which you haven’t/can’t read) and the entirety of what’s on offer from Billy can’t ALL be condensed into comic book format. I had hoped that your blog would provide the space I require to address my many adversaries’ calculated (like Tony’s) or prepubescent (like Anthony’s) attacks on Billy’s teachings in German, as well as the (unread?) English translations. Not to mention other truths on your other blog entries like this one. I know you don’t “have the time or interest to read” long things, but this isn’t the case with the majority of your blog READERS, who I address. But it certainly seems to be the case with your ignorant CONTRIBUTORS who dog ME, not YOU, around the Net, who you seem happy to allow to do their damndest to squelch Billy’s (and the DP’s and the Reticulans’) precious information, meant for those of us who DO have the time and interest to read long things. Nod if you’re still here, mate.
You angrily and sarcastically (sounds that way to me) continue, “Really, is it because you found some good in the DP that you DON’T publicly, and with all the mental, verbal horsepower available to you that you don’t always unleash responsibly, rip this scam artist a new one? $3,300 to make contact with ET civilizations, become an ambassador to the universe, etc.?”
No. I continue to defend and support my fellow insider whistleblowers and the reality of the technology we’re trying to get the shadow government (NOT “the government”!) to release to the public.
And it’s also because Ptaah hastily warned us to remove our gigantic whistleblower site, of which the Meier section constituted only a very small minority. And we don’t try to primarily tear new back passages in people unless there’s no other way and it occurs as unintended collateral damage. But more importantly, it was because, once we were given the bum’s rush from our DP work (we saw it coming) we were already onto phase 3. (1 was crop circles. 2 was the DP. 3 is BEAM.) And if you have the time and interest to read all that remains of what we wrote to/about CSETI (which had just swallowed the DP whole), you’ll see that it’s pretty damned trenchant.
I’ve been criticised for all my links here, but this one was down at the bottom of the page linked above, so I know you missed it. Shame it’s so damaged. The missing graphics were visual scans of their mendacious assertions we tried to correct. Ultimately it was our support of you and Billy that caused us to be axed. Remember?
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/CSETI.htm
You continue, “In your passion to protect the consumer, and certainly Greer’s been successfully selling this garbage to many gullible people, do ya think that just maybe he’s done and is doing far more REAL damage to the truth than anyone who may be an astrologer?”
Not at the moment. A fool and his/her money have always been quickly parted. They get the experience they deserve.
And my “passion” is not “to protect the consumer”, Michael.
My passion is to protect the TRUTH, which Billy delivers in German in thick books.
The important people know what’s real. As above. End of phase 2. Beginning of phase 3. Since then, we’ve taught ourselves German. Bought/read all the material. Became outlaw on line Meier translators, defying FIGU. Vivienne joined, to work on the inside, while I guarded the door out here in the rain. She was elected President and largely created FLAU Inc., as FIGUUSA mark 4 was axed. We started translating books, and I came onto your blog here drifting in the lonely doldrums with hardly ever a comment. And now – exactly as I publicly told Jim it ineluctably would many months ago – it’s been surrounded, boarded, hijacked, and is now obviously foundering.
To more directly address your questions of me, as to why I’m passionately trying to protect the Meier “consumers” (I’m NOT. I’m trying to protect the Meier STUDENTS.) instead of the Greer consumers, it’s naturally because “your” astrologer represents a rapidly infecting thorn in BILLY’S eye now, and Greer and his suckers are the fodder for general whistleblower sites like g’guys, not two BEAM workers. If you want me to leave you in peace and go solo, just tell me.
Similarly, in the future, if you do believe that my posts are too long, I’d be grateful if you’d just tell me and I can put them up on the cloud as I’ve done before.
In CLOSING, I do get a lot of positive feedback about my work here – from the interested readers of BEAM’s material – and if you were to get rid of just two serious adversaries things would be easier for everyone. Frankly, your blog was never engineered for the sort of traffic that Billy’s material, which I started TRYING to share here last year, currently attracts. I strongly suggest that you simply and permanently pull the plug on your “comments” section entirely. It was never designed to cope with 200+ contributions a week, and seems well over its head, and so do you, my friend. Life will be better for everybody. And delete your astrologer’s webpage. Then if/when I go, the trolls won’t trash the place entirely. You never used to get comments. You don’t need the sort you attract now. Fold ‘em buddy. Know when. It’s a cyclical thing, y’know?
Thanks again for you Dorothy dixers.
🙂
Cheers!
Why is it a shame that “Billy couldn’t have his say here”? Aren’t we capable of thinking, discussing and working things out ourselves? I doubt that if Billy was interacting here that he would be bringing down all of the calumny that you seemingly can’t resist doing.
You’re free to post that line but I should add that my cousin Adam, my friends Annie, Michael, Wynn, Gillian, and a few others have been my “astrologists”, meaning that they’ve all given me their version of “what the stars say throughout the years”, personally, globally, etc. I’ve enjoyed it, found accuracies, inaccuracies, wild misses, amazing hits, etc. So? I told you I’m fascinated by systems.
Now, should you, I or anyone else be shaking in our boots? You see, I’m resourceful. I use any and everything I can…creatively. Having been a lone wolf essentially for a very long time, I create all sorts of nifty internal dialogues and mind games playing with systems and I make my own decisions, take my own chances.
What exactly are you really afraid of? That people aren’t going to get all hysterical and inflamed and fail to recognize the imminent danger to the TRUTH because my blog has been “infiltrated by our adversaries”, obviously by a deliberately “calculating”, cunning agent provocateur, promoting “chaos, distortions, distractions and disruptions” “that results in the fraud squad comes to your door due to all the publicity you’re giving him” and who I “seem happy to allow to do their damndest to squelch Billy’s (and the DP’s and the Reticulans’) precious information”.
D, I think you thrive on promoting paranoid dramas with a fanatical, missionary like zeal, which, so far hasn’t exactly promoted peace, love, harmony and freedom, nor of course the truth. Maybe it’s the counterbalancing, necessary negativity to your translating work. But I’d suggest finding some other grain of sand to irritate yourself with in order to cultivate the pearl.
Being confrontational is relatively new in my life, it’s really only in the past 20 years that I developed that part of myself. I don’t love having adversarial relationships but I don’t shy away from them. However, I try not to instigate them nor to take such things personally. So I don’t tend to excoriate, villify and skewer people just because I’ve decided that I am the sole guardian of the truth and that I am FULLY qualified to identify and prosecute the perceived offenders.
And while you say “A fool and his/her money have always been quickly parted. They get the experience they deserve.” for some reason you’re all over Tony IN ANTICIPATION of his taking advantage of people, for which we have no evidence. Just your frankly stinking presumption of guilt, and yourself justified role as judge, jury and executioner.
So could it be that if my blog has, in your super conspiratorial, paranoid opinion been “surrounded, boarded, hijacked, and is now obviously foundering” that it just may be in large part due to the take no prisoners assaults that you delight in launching at any and everyone who dares to not conform to your ideas of just how things should be?
I’m sure that if I “were to get rid of just two serious adversaries things would be easier for everyone.” How short sighted of me to not purge my blog of those that you find to be troublesome agents of some diabolical plot. I don’t have to agree with everyone or everything on this blog. It’s a process and I’m learning how to do it.
As far as my beng over my head, maybe. As far as pulling the page that you object to, your determination
that those who won’t roll over for your bullying are trolls who will “trash the place entirely”, my suggestion is to REALLY deal with that nasty case of paranoia and superiority that unleashes itself and is, in my opinion, infinitely more destructive not only to peace, love, freedom and harmony but to the very truth itself.
“D, I think you thrive on promoting paranoid dramas with a fanatical, missionary like zeal, which, so far hasn’t exactly promoted peace, love, harmony and freedom, nor of course the truth. Maybe it’s the counterbalancing, necessary negativity to your translating work. But I’d suggest finding some other grain of sand to irritate yourself with in order to cultivate the pearl.”
That was truly great writing! Who needs movies and television, that was great entertainment, besides being exquisitely truthful!
See my previous reply please.
Hold that thought, Michael.
I’ll get back to you.
BTW phalanxes of trained professionals, ever since I was 11, qualified to give me the thorough psychological tests I took (and passed all of them with statistically very unusually good results), and analyse those results, have unanimously and resolutely totally disagreed with your amateur psychiatric diagnosis of me as “paranoid”.
Likewise, you’ve got a few (other) serious/obvious errors of facts going on.
Gotta run.
🙂
Cheers!
Thanks, Tony, for reminding everybody who hadn’t figured that out already that that you’re here to be entertained and entertaining.
My motto is, “Find out what they like, and how they like it, and let ’em have it just that way”. How’m I doin’ so far?
Cheers!
😉
One of the things we try to avoid here is, obviously, rigid belief in anything. As Billy of course also recommends about his own information as well. So, if we find something that seems antithetical to the truth, etc., we ask for evidence to the contrary.
If the evidence is evaluated as flawed, self-incriminating, inadequate, etc., and further evidence is then provided, it should also be evaluated. Of course we don’t want to change the rules in the middle of the game. IN this case we don’t want to ulterior ascribe motives to someone just because that’s the way we see the world so much of the time.
And, since evolution isn’t static, we can look at the information submitted to see if it’s sufficient to ascertain where it may be on the scale of progress towards the correct astrology, which we were told we certainly didn’t have yet, by Meier. Is it possible that Tony’s work is closer to that correct version? I don’t know. But now that he’s providing additional information, and he says with more to come, why not take an objective, critical look and evaluate it…instead of (again) attacking and attaching motives that you are so quick to ascribe to him?
Objective evaluation, neutrality, critical thinking. What are the observations from those interested?
Wann der ist quacking, a duck not too far away ist.
And of course we can…change a bit from when we were children.
When everyone and everything no longer appears as some sort of evil, clever, insidious conspiracy, maybe the clarity and innocence of youth will have made a reappearance.
Of course it DOES beg the question as to why they were bringing you/you were going – repeatedly – to get your head shrunk!
Michael, when I was a sergeant in the USAF in Germany before my honourable discharge I applied to the Australian government’s assisted passage migration scheme in 1972. After I’d passed all their many tests to prove that I was not paranoid etc., and it was worth paying my passage to settle in Australia, I was told by the last immigration official that interviewed me, “Dyson, we have a lot of problems in Australia. We need people like you. If I let you come live in Australia, are you prepared to promise that you’ll do your best to help fix our problems?” After a long moment of thought, I said, “Yes, I promise.”
Billy teaches us that when we make a promise we MUST keep it, come what may. I knew that. For some reason not quite clear to me it seems to be one of the strictest rules in Billy’s thick book of creational obligations. They say “Creation IS the truth.”
You write, “Of course it DOES beg the question as to why they were bringing you/you were going – repeatedly – to get your head shrunk!”
I never “got my head shrunk”. Failed attempts were made to silence me so I couldn’t expose the “problems” (institutionalised criminality) I had been unwittingly swept up in in my capacity as a government officer.
In the mid-80s and into the early 90’s I was trying to blow the whistle on my New South Wales government department which was directing five other co-workers and me to commit the felony of falsifying our government documents when our records were subpoenaed by the court. I was the records officer in charge at the time. These documents were meant for court hearings by private citizens trying to question why they were being robbed. Two of my female colleagues had already suffered nervous breakdowns (due to deliberately directed sexual harassment against us) and one of the people, whose records I was told (I’ve got it in writing) I to falsify, lost millions of dollars in the corrupt Australian courts and committed suicide. I thought I should try to obey the law and report the felonies we were all continually being forced, by our senior administrators, to commit. After all the others had been silenced, strenuous efforts were made to question my credibility which led to my psychological assessments that I was in fact, very sane and well adjusted with a strong sense of social justice, which was a family trait. Ultimately, due to my dogged persistence, my department which employed about 770 people, and was established in 1917, was completely dissolved and disbanded due to the internally exposed scandal which was never allowed to go public. A raft of sweeping reforms of the public sector resulted – workers’ rights, anti-discrimination (I also suffered racial vilification) and anti-corruption legislation was passed in Parliament. I wrote it all up on our website including independent legal proof of the facts, but the entire website was ultimately pulled down for our own safety, on Ptaah’s advice, in 2007. And nobody cares anyway. Whistleblowers are customarily attacked by the very people they are helping. Look at Manning, rotting in solitary trying to expose your countries war crimes. “Yeah, whatever.” Charming. I’ll bet you’ve never even seen pictures of the insides of an Australian maximum security prison, Michael, (it surprised me), let seeing the tortured victims up close of a US military one.
The giant website all got started after all that because of the 1,213 acre Pine Brush National Estate, which was classified by the Australian Heritage Commission, along with the Sydney Harbour Bridge, and the Great Barrier Reef, etc., as one of our country’s most important national treasures. It’s on the eastern border of our 100 acre homestead which I bought in 1977, which is just now started the process of being liquidated to pay off the corporation/sect’s first litigation from 2005. The National Estate was illegally given to a crony of a powerful corrupt politician, for a dollar an acre and illegally plundered. With illegal open cut gravel mines. The ancient old-growth forest was illegally felled and the rock formations were illegally smashed off for landscaping ornaments. That’s what got the website going. Bits still exist. At great personal cost we actually achieved a lot and stopped the careers of a lot of crime figures. My neighbour up the road was assassinated by mistake when the bullet was meant for me. Dumb crims.
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/Causley's_destruction.htm
Thanks for expressing an interest in our work.
Now I have a question for you Michael. Why did you feel it was necessary to memorise the entirety of the i ching?
I still have to try to refute your incorrect allegations in other places, and I’ve got several hours more of “How to Live” just in, so please bear with me and I’ll do my best to try to correct your many errors of fact before I get more.
Salome.
What are you talking about? You bring in Tesla, and Childress, and Maia, and Tsoukalos, and bad hair? This is a simple bait and switch scam. The government wants everybody to be in awe and afraid of the aliens. They want you to be their alien bleep when you see something or hear something that THEY don’t want you knowing/thinking about. Meier has pages, and pages, and pages of quality information and has been meeting with kind aliens for nearly 40 years. IT HAS ALREADY BEEN DISCLOSED.
The Greer DP will never be made; it is a psyop to keep you thinking that the ball is in the government’s hand and their hands are tied. And It’s only a matter of time before the world knows the truth. Well keep waiting. Meanwhile I’m gonna watch, “And Did They Listen” to see how this one turns out. Meier has all the truth about aliens you ever wanted FREE on all his websites, books, bulletins, pamphlets, etc. And the DP has SO MUCH MORE to disclose than the Meier case? Good luck with that one.
Cheers! 🙂
I don’t have to repeat myself, just once is enough otherwise you’re just trolling.
Have a great day.
“pages of quality information and has been meeting with kind aliens for nearly 40 years. IT HAS ALREADY BEEN DISCLOSED.”
“IT”? The original Disclosure Project is REALLY about disclosing the existence of classified advanced energy and propulsion systems. In this example, that’s the baby. This is one of the TWO most common misunderstanding. The other is that there is a “government” cover-up. No. The “government” doesn’t govern and is more in the dark than voters. It’s all been corporatised / privatised.
And the silly desert meetings are designed to be the bathwater that the baby goes out with. The SIRIUS DVD is half silly and half gravely serious, but if you dismiss the info about classified advanced energy and propulsion systems because of the silly stuff, then Rockefeller’s trick has worked on you. We lose. They win. If you can simply ignore the ET stuff – not hard for Meier-types, I would hope, then what you learn, from a pretty darn good presentation of the facts, will be very valuable. I just reckon the DVD needs all the ET crap edited out and re-released without the disguise. It would be a very good video. IMO.
“…if you dismiss the info about classified advanced energy and propulsion systems because of the silly stuff, then Rockefeller’s trick has worked on you. We lose. They win.”
We win when we trade our polluting automobiles for bicycles!
We win when we trade our Walmarts for home gardens!
We win when we give up mass consumerism and live modest lives!
We win when we take things into our own hands and stop waiting for big brother to take care of us!
We win when we becomes self-responsible and conscientious about the planet!
Hiya Anthony (Darcy, Anthony and I are just joking together)
You write:
We win when we trade our polluting automobiles for bicycles!
Disagree. Private anti-gravity/ZPE “cars” (saucers), the point of us DP dudes.
We win when we trade our Walmarts for home gardens!
Agree.
We win when we give up mass consumerism and live modest lives!
Agree.
We win when we take things into our own hands and stop waiting for big brother to take care of us!
Agree.
We win when we becomes self-responsible and conscientious about the planet!
Agree.
I don’t think you’re 8. I just didn’t “get” you. Sorry. Cultural thing.
🙂
Cheers!
Hey Dyson,
Glad to see you finally get your funny bone on. Cultural thing? My bleep; you are finally talking to me like a fellow human being.
“We win when we trade our polluting automobiles for bicycles!
Disagree. Private anti-gravity/ZPE “cars” (saucers), the point of us DP dudes.”
What, you don’t like to pedal for the environment? Going with the DP so that the earth humans can gain secret technology is not the issue. Most earth humans should do best by first using what material means they already have, but to use less and find ways to make lesser of a footprint with their energy needs. If more people took responsibility and say stopped using the car and made more trips with a bicycle, there would be a positive result on the people and the environment. The last thing the masses of irresponsible people need is their own flying saucers to zip their lazy fat bleeps around in. But I would agree, secret technology needs to be released to help clean up the environment, create safer and more ecologic forms of public transport, and to prosper the above ground economies. But hanging with these DP dudes is like hanging with the Devil to get away from God.
The DP is trying to pass off exotic terrestrial technology as ALIEN! This is THE big ERROR (scam); once again, Billy is very specific about outside alien contacts, abductions, experiences, sightings, photographs… they are mostly FAKES. Or more to the point, NOT extraterrestrial. Greer and DP psyop are not telling the truth. This is against the Creation! Either Greer is in the dark or he is intentionally passing off test flights of the latest terrestrial hardware as making contact with ET. Don’t you care about these customers who are getting bleeped? You want to protect consumers from poor Tony’s astro charts, when all he is trying to do is fit in; yet go for Greer’s mega bleep alien bleeping? As I said before, a person would be much better buying thousands of dollars worth of Star Wars bleep, then having Greer bleep you out of money by telling you that you got to meet and get a picture of ET? The Plejaren certainly are not making contact and putting on shows; and I would doubt that the other 3 “earth alien” races that Billy confirms are likely playing around in low earth orbit. Can’t you see how bad this DP ERROR murders the TRUTH? Billy would definitely think you are some rebel or something for hanging with the DP dudes; he’d think you were turning over in your head. But keep on translating Sparky, you are phat at that.
Cheers! 🙂
Yeah, I’m a troll. Do you have a bridge?
But not just a troll, Anthony, you’re a dangerous know-it-all ignoramus of a troll who’s even ignorant of that blindingly obvious fact.
But at least now I’m starting to get you trained to know when I’m joking and when I’m not.
“Hanging with these DP dudes”?
I AM one of those DP dudes, silly child.
Wake up and die right, boy.
I was a keen cyclist. I think I invented extreme cross-country (no tracks) in the 70’s. But it’s too steep here (vertical cliffs), and the few roads we had here melted in the last heat wave.
You assert, “Going with the DP so that the earth humans can gain secret technology is not the issue.”
It IS the DP’s issue, even though it’s (clearly) not YOUR issue, but your enthusiasm for bycycling may pass once you’re old enough to get a drivers’ licence. I’ll bet you’re looking forward to getting those training wheels off!
It’s probably been a long time.
Take care, sonny. Don’t fall off!
Cheers!
😉
From here on I won’t post any of the comments that contain ad hominem attacks.
I don’t have time to edit people’s comments. I may simply tell them to resubmit them, which would then be understood as refusing to post them because of those personal attacks.
Dyson uses the terms “troll” and “dangerous”, etc. One definition for “internet troll” is:
“In Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people,[1] by posting inflammatory,[2] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a forum, chat room, or blog), either accidentally[3][4] or with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[5] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[6]”
By this definition, many of us would be considered trolls, not the least of whom would be Dyson, whose inflammatory, upsetting, off-topic and gratuitous attacks on his fellow truth seekers are ubiquitous. However, and as I’ve certainly demonstrated, everyone’s free to submit posts here, which also may include severe criticisms of the positions taken, views expressed, etc., but not attacks on their person.
As far as “dangerous” is concerned, it seems that again Dyson is so all-knowing that he feels it’s not only correct but necessary to reduce such a term to irrelevance by using it to label someone he simply disagrees with. If Anthony is “dangerous” – just what in heck does that make Greer?
Perhaps one could say that my severe criticism of Greer and others is too harsh, etc. I think I’m primarily calling out the naked, public, shameless, financial exploitation of people, and the suppression of the truth. There aren’t too many voices publicly calling attention to that, perhaps some. Of course, once we’ve had our say, it’s still up to the individuals to be discerning and all that.
THANK YOU, Michael, for banning ALL ad hominem attacks in the future, assuming you really do this time and not sardonically call for (more) “good ol’ Dyson thrashing” and other such appalling bloodbaths (as a joke of course). Maybe you could set an example for us to follow? “Pretentious-profiteering-purveyor-of-all-that-is-bogus”? ALL that is bogus? Can you imagine how that makes me feel as a DP whistleblower? I see that as ad hominem. You’re calling MY testimony* BOGUS, meaning: not genuine or true (used in a disapproving manner when deception has been attempted). I’m not laughing. I’m not happy with that AT ALL.
We all have different senses of humour. It’s a cultural thing, so those among us who practice biting sarcasm and “insult humour” (like you and my friend Anthony) and so forth – please be aware that we have an obligation to take each other seriously and I tend to miss the joke with modern U S American humour, having been gone since the USAF/1968. So when I returned the favour by joining in with that same sort of fun, it’s always in the same jocular spirit which I’m urged to accept is being directed at me. As I said, I’ve learnt that it’s often the best policy to give people what they ask for, and I’m a generous guy.
So the sort of “go jump in the lake you idiot I was only joking where’s your sense of humour” sort of stuff would best be avoided in the future, OK?
Seems like “Meier right again” about the need to sometimes deliberately bring (using gewaltsame Gewaltlosigkeit) a chronic growing problem to an acute stage so it’s finally recognised as such and resolved. So I apologise to my brothers Tony and Anthony in particular for them feeling the pointy end of that, but turning the other cheek was obviously increasingly counter-productive, not to mention positive-degenerate, Bafath insanity, and I have an obligation to defend myself and others. And if someone want to wrestle, I’ll wrestle hard. If someone wants to box, I’ll box hard. If someone wants to be nice, I’ll be very nice.
Ancient and immutable laws of Creation:
“You can’t have it both ways.”
And, “If your going to dish it out, you’ve got to take it.”
Cheers!
🙂
* http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/radar.story.htm
First (or again), I was calling on you to be a tad introspective and self-accountable and call yourself to task for putting up the defamatory, inaccurate, attack-fueling disinformation on Meier’s (non-existent) laying waste to almost six dozen baddies. Something as egregious as that certainly deserves at least the same harsh treatment as your personal attacks on Tony and Anthony. But I didn’t call on them, or on anyone but you, to do so.
Regarding Greer, I also wasn’t referring to any of his…medical services, expressed sentiments in his personal relations, etc., as I obviously wasn’t referring to the contributions of anyone who participated in the DP. In fact, I said this:
“And please, PLEASE, I don’t want to hear about what a great job the Disclosure Project may have done. Fine. That was then. This is now.”
I don’t know how you missed it.
I was specifically referring to…what I was specifically referring to – his pretentious profiteering and purveying of bogus, despicably cynical, false nonsense, idiotic claims and his solicitations his efforts to bilk people out of money based upon them.
It does seem that your responses to people, even when they’re not joking, is often to attack them and bludgeon them with Meier quotes, as if this automatically makes them wrong and gives evidence that you both understand, and are qualified to abuse them with, such. If this was the first time this was being pointed out to you it certainly could be misperceptions on all of our parts.
So when a “humorous” response is given to you, in my opinion it can be interpreted as someone being a bit more gentle with you – in the face of your unwarranted hostility – so as to also say, “Hey pal, lighten up. I think you’ve gone overboard there.” Of course someone can be direct and say that to you. But there’s also a bit of evidence that you also take that kind of response as a lob to slam over the net and trounce your misperceived opponent. AS I’ve said before, your over and inappropriate reactions actually trivialize the terms you use in debasing your opponents…and the teaching that you quote and use to do so.
I also would say that you’ll get far less to none of such “go jump in the lake” stuff should you focus on criticizing the content of the conversations that you disagree with. Having said that, I will pretend you didn’t request that one form of humor or another is avoided because of your particular sensitivities. One doesn’t have to respond, or take great offense, to someone’s sense of humor. To be clear I’m not referring to any deliberately defamatory or ad hominem attacks otherwise concealed (transparently) in humor.
As far as not turning the other cheek, if one doesn’t slap and punch first here, among mainly friends, they most likely will have no need to turn it anyway.
Regarding using gewaltsame Gewaltlosigkeit, before determining that one is such a serious threat as to require such forcefulness, why not see just how little force is necessary to get the point across, correct inaccuracies, untruths, etc.? It’s no sign of weakness to not use a cannon where a rudder will do quite nicely.
And since we’re presumably all grown ups here, I of course agree with what you’ve stated:
“You can’t have it both ways.”
And, “If your going to dish it out, you’ve got to take it.”
Hi Michael,
“From here on I won’t post any of the comments that contain ad hominem attacks.” That will be great.
“I AM one of those DP dudes, silly child.
Wake up and die right, boy.”
It should be noted that after observing and interaction with Dyson Devine, it is my opinion that he does NOT have the Figu’s best interest in mind. I really think that he is some sort of government or private interest SPOOK. ALL Meier friends should beware of this individual. As a student of the spirit teaching, and familiar with the basics, there is no doubt in my mind that Dyson is not only twisting the truth, but using his credibility as a Figu translator to gain followers and trash sincere Meier students as he sees fit.
BEWARE, Figu people. Dyson is indeed dangerous to the Mission, despite his many translations.
Hi Anthony.
Thanks for the warning.
I’ll never ever just blindly believe anything that guy says again.
Oh well. Now I guess I’ll have to start thinking for myself.
🙂
Hi Anthony,
The shortest distance between two points is a straight line. You can go the long way on your own on this one.
Cheers!
Ha ha ha! Good one, Duke.
I need to explain it in terms that you can understand…..