This article is for the benefit of any readers interested in the thread I started on the Sam Harris forum. It pertains to information that I posted and linked to that clearly shows that numerous examples of specific, prophetically accurate information were published by Billy Meier long before “official discovery”.
The veracity of claims of prior publication are established by copyrights, our internationally recognized and accepted, legal standard of proof of prior and/or first publication. While copyrights establish the date that something was first published, the content itself must then be evaluated for accuracy and relevance.
In the case of Meier’s information, its specificity and accuracy can be determined by any interested person. Some specific examples, with relevance to challenges posed on the Harris forum, are listed below.*
The fact that a court of law would recognize that the copyrights constitute the existence of ironclad, irrefutable proof that Billy Meier’s information was published prior to the foretold events, is intolerable to pseudoscientific skeptics because of their rigid, religiously based belief systems. They will go to great lengths to still try to discredit that which they simply cannot tolerate. And make no mistake about it, many of those who consider themselves atheists-skeptics are among the most fundamentalist in their behavior towards, and rejection of even the possibility of the reality of, Meier’s evidence and information.
They possess an irrationality and fervor that is second to no evangelical of any other faith and in fact it can be every bit as much – if not more – blindly irrational in attacking what they’ve presumed to be so easily dismissible.
In the case of documents where the originals are no longer available, such as for the 1951,1958 and 1987, etc., prophecies and predictions, all one has to do is to ascertain when the documents were first published in German and/or when they were first published on the internet. Then, if one is patient, they will start to find evidence in the form of information that is corroborated even after the relatively more recent online dates. Such was the case for Dr. Sanford Weinstein, the formerly skeptical physician/physicist for whom Meier’s information, from 1987, regarding Russian military movements (and subsequent Canadian activities) compelled him to call Meier’s information “astonishing and amazing” and that it warranted the serious attention of our own military.
What is actually revealed in the persistence of skepticism to Meier’s prophetic information – especially since there can be no doubt at all when staring in the face of the various copyrighted books and documents – is a cynical, fearful inability to accept anything that lies outside of the primitive materialism of the skeptical reality. First, character assassination and derision will be employed. Since the skeptics automatically assume that Meier is some country bumpkin who (magically, of course) “hoaxes” everything, and they assume themselves to be far superior to him, they have no trouble trying to laugh him off and dismiss him as lacking any credibility.
Point to any of the numerous credible scientific experts who’ve analyzed and authenticated Meier’s evidence and the catch-22 argument from the skeptics is that you’re “appealing to authority”! I’m sure you can appreciate the irony of so many anonymous online “experts” trying to attack the various scientists they would themselves be citing if they’d disproved Meier’s evidence and claims.
Naturally, the skeptics will move goal posts; avoid admitting their factual inaccuracies, wrong assumptions, etc. A great case in point is the anonymous skeptic on the Harris blog who came out guns blazing as he tried to state that Meier’s claimed prior contacts took place in 1975, when it’s long been documented that they occurred in 1942 and even 1964. The very fact that such cowardly wannabes are so insipidly spineless as to anonymously attack and try to assassinate the character of others is an indication of societal decline, the real magnitude and significance of which is not even barely understood in this and every other crumbling society in which it finds acceptance.
Because of my respect for Sam Harris’ intellect and eloquence, I had hoped that opening a discussion about the Meier material on his forum would bring it to the attention of some real freethinkers and, ultimately, Harris himself. I even asked the moderators to bring the information to Harris’ attention. I have a feeling that Harris wouldn’t approach the Meier material, its evidence and claims with anything resembling the denial and religiosity I encountered from some malcontent who’s ineptitude leaves him/her with no other options than trying to bait and insinuate, while avoiding every single specific answer and example that substantiates the accuracy, authenticity and honesty of Meier’s evidence and claims.
Should someone of Sam Harris’ stature decide to engage in the discussion I think it could produce an outwardly rippling wave of increased interest in, and awareness of…the truth.
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http://theyfly.com/A-Sampling-of-Evidence.html
http://theyfly.com/newsflash91/5100_year_old_man.htm
http://theyfly.com/Wendelle-Stevens-Jupiter-Io.html
http://www.theyfly.com/Fukushima.html
https://theyflyblog.com/russia-china-unitenow-hear-before/03/05/2014
http://theyfly.com/Scientific_Experts.html
http://theyfly.com/PDF/PhotoAnalysis.pdf
http://www.theyfly.com/new-documentation
http://theyfly.com/PDF/UFOSoundRecordings.pdf
http://theyfly.com/India_1964.html
http://www.theyfly.com/prophecies-predictions/henoch-prophecies
Here is a link copy/paste That pertains to the climate crisis.
http://news.yahoo.com/dont-worry-those-gas-well-methane-emissions-epa-212714944.html
I jumped in the convo over at the SH blog. Stirred the pot a little; took it a different direction really. Man, would be somethin if we could get Sam to have a serious look.
Oh For Phux sake …….. LOL I just went there Andy and ripped him a new one !! if That Freez fella doesnt get simplicity through his head like i showed him nothing can help him except time ………after time after time after time of lifetimes.
WE “ALL” Know here Just what Michael had asked of him in a “Very” mature way , free thinking logical easy to grasp suggestions.
But he is just stagnated and decayed unfortunatly , nothing can help this poor Freez guy in This” lifetime.
This may or may not represent a step towards eventually reversing the tampered with aging gene (and may or may not be interesting to anyone here…):
http://www.aol.com/article/2014/04/24/blood-from-worlds-oldest-woman-suggests-life-limit/20875023/?icid=maing-grid7%7Cmain5%7Cdl6%7Csec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D468295
I think I recall somewhere in the information the big breakthrough may actually come relatively soon?
for those that are typing on the sam harris blog, would you be willing to challenge Freez? By that I mean, see if he is brave enough to make claims and submit these to world governments and other publications to see if they take it seriously. I believe this is the reason why there is no paper trail for Meier’s predictions and prophecies from 1958. I remember an old roommate of mine found a print out of the 1958 material and asked who made this story. So if it were perceived as a story, I can understand the lack of taking it seriously from world governments in 1958, especially when those in positions of power were and are still religiously deluded.
Prophesy coming true?
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22229664.400-armed-russian-robocops-to-defend-missile-bases.html
THE West has always been a little squeamish about the idea of arming robots. Despite decades of development, no systems have ever been deployed and a vocal human rights campaign means it’s unlikely to happen in the near future. The Russians, on the other hand, appear to be rather less concerned.
Last month, Dmitry Andreyev of the Russian Strategic Missile Forces announced that mobile robots would be standing guard over five ballistic missile installations. These robots can detect and destroy targets, without human involvement. Russia, it seems, is taking the lead in a new robotic arms race.
The robot sentry, aka the “mobile robotic complex”, was developed by Izhevsk Radio Plant, a company based 1200 kilometres east of Moscow. It weighs around 900 kilograms and has cameras, a laser rangefinder and radar sensors. For fire power it has a 12.7-millimetre heavy machine gun, with optional smaller weapons. It is quick too, hitting speeds of 45 kilometres per hour on a petrol engine. It can operate for 10 hours, or switch to sleep mode for a week.
The makers put the sentry robot through its paces at an arms fair in Russia last year. Andreyev describes the robots as being able to engage targets in automatic as well as semi-automatic control mode. US policy, on the other hand, says a person has to authorise when weapons are fired. Drones don’t fire missiles on their own, but act as remote launch platforms for human operators. Neither the makers of the Russian robot nor the Strategic Missile Forces responded to New Scientist’s request for an interview at the time of going to press.
Was funny reading the sam harris blog thread Michael.
This is basically it. People, even so called “scientific” people are too stupid to do ANY research on this case before they form their opinions/conclusions. There isn’t much else to say really… They outwardly demonstrate their ineptitude and sheer stupidity so badly that it’s clear they are religious in their atheism too.
Funny how no amount of evidence can satisfy them but that’s only because they refuse to look at it and do everything they can to avoid it.
Brain dead. Or as Blackadder once put it to Baldrick, “It’s as if somebody scooped out your brains and replaced it with a boiled potato”.
With funny comments like yours it may have been worth it after all!
Happy to have tickled the funny bone. We all need to step on a feather from time to time.
To note about Wendell Stevens, I remember there being some video about how he came forward with doubts about the Meier case. If I can find it, I can happily link it for you.
It is good that the information is getting out there, so long as it’s being crossed referenced. Balance is key to understanding. (Whether your studying Christianity or whatever, its good to study both Christians, and actual them what they actually believe.)
There is actually a difference between being atheist, and being anti-theist. But that point is often lost.
I think Wendell Stevens knew the Meier case was real. He did a good job investigating the Meier UFO contact case. Unfortunately he believed in other UFO contact cases that were not true.
if anyone here feels a bit isolated in their mission of truth/evolution, in their circle /community , I will be in America on these dates and places .id love to see /catch up with some of you guys/gals that share a common interest and just to add another friend. As you all probably know i am Australian and reside in Adelaide South Australia.We are coming over there on our honeymoon on these dates as follows
We will be going from “here” to Hawaii for a few nights ,
then to San Fransisco 9th oct until 13th oct then off to
Los Angeles 13th to the 18th oct then to
Las Vegas 18th to the 22nd oct
then to NewYork from the 22nd to the 29th
then DRIVING to Cleveland Ohio on the 29th from NewYork
and then from there to Chicago on the 30th until the 3rd Nov
and then Back to LA from the 3rd to the 5th.
Phew ……. If by any chance you are compatable with these areas and dates and like to meet up , send me a line …wayneharmonica@live.com.au
That’s quite a trip! coast to coast!
If you were coming around Minnesota(Twin-cities) I would have been more than happy to meet up!
If anyone interested in this subject is from the mid-west(Minnesota) area let me know as well. I would also like to meet up with people that find value in thinking such as we find ourselves here… It is far and few in between in its entirety these days it seems!!
Is a long drive to Arizona or up into Canada:)
Phil B.
Shakopee, Minnesota USA
Michael Horn I’ll like to ask you about your take on racial issues on the World particularly in regards to Black and White people. And if he has ever spoken to you about it what is Billy Meier’s take on the whole issue?
I know it’s off topic, but I wanted to know how you felt about this or if there’s anything Meier wrote on the topic.
Thanks!
Certainly Billy and FIGU regard any form of racism as against Creation’s laws and love itself, etc. See:
http://www.theyfly.com/newsflash4/frhnr01.htm
http://www.theyfly.com/new-perspective-racism
Michael,
You had a recent blog were you advertised a qigong program. I also know you used to teach tai chi/qigong. I’ve practiced for a few years now. I tend to think it has improved my vitality and general physical/mental/emotional health. I even think it may have helped me more quickly recover from a serious injury. Hard to be sure though. But even if is helping me – and indeed, there is ample research that it can improve health, speed recoveries, etc. – this of course does not prove “chi” is a real thing. The benefits could be coming from the circulating of blood not chi, and/or the so-called relaxation response, as well as the placebo effect. Personally, when I am practicing consistently, I have thought I felt the ‘chi’ in my hands and what not. But I dont know if this is all in my head… the point of this long throat-clearing is to then ask – from your experience, are you able to confidently say chi is a real thing?* If so, then you probably think what the martial artists refer to as “chi,” is likely what Billy calls the “mental fluidal forces”? Just curious what you, as a long time practitioner, think of the matter…
Thanks for your time, and all the best to you.
*To be clear, if you answer in the negative, no one of course can yet infer any disingenuousness because of your teaching/advertising – as suggested, the practice has utility whether chi is real or not.
Andy,
I recall recall some years ago reading that the French mad done some thermography and confirmed the existence of the meridians, which are said to carry chi. It appears to be some form of perhaps electrical energy, or maybe infrared, as I also remember reading that there were some measurements of infrared energy emitted by some chi gong healers through their hands.
Certainly acupuncture is now widely recognized as legitimate and many who’ve had it may attest to having felt effects in the body that were remote from where the needles were inserted, while they were in a passive relaxed position, which wouldn’t be the case with blood.
So it appears that the phenomenon itself has some reality though all the claims about it aren’t necessarily valid.
Good day good day shacks in the wauda. That’s the best Australian impersonations I can do!!. Would love to meet up with ya mate.
Living in Chicago. We can go for a cold one.
ya bloods worth bottlin mate good on ya ! …….carltons not a bad drop either !!! I like USA beers too !
Cheers .Wayno
There has to be some truth to it. Michael It appeared to me you had the health and energy of a 20 year old.
In this world that’s a rare thing indeed.
That’s probably because you were kind enough to treat me to meals and I use all my energy for such opportunities.
That’s some energetic food for thought.
Any word of another Hillary Raimo Interview or overseas adventures in the works.
Absolutely!
I’ll have to get in touch with her and see.
where would you recommend getting a well translated, TJ?
There is no new, corrected English translation available yet.
If nothing else Michael the Sam Harris site got one person thinking a lot more on this particular subject.
I thank you for the opening and push forward even if it doesn’t look fruitful on the surface! Have wanted to prod around a bit deeper over there at the Harris site…
My dad is just one human!! Guess its all personal in the ‘interpretation’ of it all, there still might be something more to this word ‘atheism’ for me. I guess topped with my deep desire for the realization of ‘religion’ on a grand scale. Two subject intertwined for a good old fashion marathon pace days long thought ones again.
Though I can only interpret it all and filter it back out only as me as an individual person can… it has been spiritually, mentally invigorating:)
I have a sense that if Sam Harris actually delved into the information he’d react to it very much more intelligently than the skeptic over there did.
I would agree! Seems Freez hasn’t even gotten of the earth, let alone beyond thinking ‘atheist’ yet. You couldn’t have given him more of a chance to look beyond it all if he had wanted to.
There has to be some others over there who may think a little more logically. I am sure some of them are reading and thinking….
I’m going to do a blog about the essence of the whole issue about copyrights and proof, etc. So perhaps his contribution to this will result in clarifying the issue for any actually objective, thinking people, skeptics and critics included.
Look forward to contributing:)
Man with a plan!!
Good, it’s just a matter of responding to criticisms effectively whenever possible. Of course there are people who, because they’re anonymous, don’t restrain their lower impulses to just obfuscate and say stupid things. So they just want to try to muddy the waters, probably because deep down they feel justifiably inadequate to discuss the matter.
Very true, a seemingly dangerous pond to play in with these folk on a regular basis. The mud seems to transform whole oceans on our world… especially in ‘cyberspace’.
Speaks wonders to true inner thought, patience, and neutral positive thinking amongst many other things.
Let alone to not hide behind ones screen to the point of loosing the self. A easy yet seemingly hard thing to learn/grasp for many….
Hopefully a few others plus Freez contribute. Funny how he came about just as you had over there. Good call on starting the whole conversation though, maybe it will eventually gain momentum!
To play the devils advocate; Freez may have legitimate point if it is the case that there is no way to prove the 1958 was really sent out in 1958 – and thus it is futile to offer it as proof of Meier’s prophetic accuracy, and in fact it ends up backfiring.
That said, I know there are a handful of the demonstrably pre-“official discovery” copy righted bits. The Iceman seems a particularly compelling one, and Apophis and some of the other astronomical stuff.
Always look forward to new blog posts of yours…
Many of the prophecies that don’t have some verifiable record of being published when they claim to have been, will be proven as events occur that were, at the latest, posted online well before the events occur. A long sentence but wait and see. Yes, the Iceman, the Mercury info, etc., all are easily verifiable and, of course, completely ignored because of the agenda of skeptics.
And also ignored is that there is absolutely no reason – nor a drop of evidence – that Meier has ever lied about anything. But since people tend to accuse others of the things that are quite often their own flaws and failures, those who accuse Meier of lying do so without even a drop of self-responsiblity, let alone substantiation of those claims.
I plan on writing more about this next week.
Right. Fair enough. But, as you know well as any, “Extraordinary claims require…”. Tactically it seems only prudent then to only lead with the requisite extraordinary evidence, lest you otherwise open yourself up unnecessarily – but, frankly, understandably – to attack.
But, just now, having had a glance back at the Harris blog, seems you DID lead with ironclad stuff, and thus my intended constructive criticsm here was unwarranted, so…keep up the good work!
I don’t why brainFreez got caught up on the ’58 letter.
He got caught up with it because, typical of the religiously minded skeptics, his prejudices required that he find some way to attack and discredit the Meier material rather than to seek to find the truth. So he blatantly, nakedly ignored each of the mentions of the ironclad proof. Tht’s how threatening the truth is to many of these types.
Hi again Michael! I was just reading the book “The Essence of the Notes” and I was reading Asket’s explanation to Billy and even though she explains that all religions are erroneous she seems to place extra emphasis on Christianity. I’ve been noticing this a lot too in other readings I have done pertaining to this information. Is there a particular reason so much emphasis is placed on Christianity other than it being a false religion or is there something else pertaining to this religion that isn’t being talked about? Just a thought!
Thanks!
Well it seems to me that Christianity has been one huge disaster in terms of the corruption of the truth and all of the grief it’s led too historically. I’m not sure but I think it may also be the largest religion in terms of “believers”. The organizational aspects of Christianity, Catholicism, etc., has resulted also in tremendous wealth being accrued by the Church and tremendous power and influence in many aspects of life, mostly unknown to the majority of humankind.
There may be other obvious reasons that others will point out for it being such a focal point of the material.
Thanks for your insight Michael!
I grew up in the Christian church as you may suspect I was told I had to go or I’ll “End up in Hell” as my aunt so convincingly said it to bad I didn’t know better then. Its sad because I have very close family members who still believe in Christianity and their the type that will turn the other cheek very quickly if they knew I didn’t believe in the nonsense anymore. Even trying to make them aware of the Meier information would be a waste of time because they are so deeply indoctrinated. I remember trying to tell my brother about Meier’s corroborated evidence, but he found it amusing and wanted to talk about UFO’s and aliens coming to Earth (jokingly). If only he was more serious like the time we had that heated argument about the Bible and I was telling him something about Jesus he didn’t want to hear and he got so angry and started telling me about not believing in “God”.
Come to think of it I was never really into it to begin with maybe it was a sub-conscious thing, but I could never get into the whole church thing and after reading the first pages of Genesis I didn’t even want to go any further. Now I know the truth about Creation I feel more free as a human being to live and don’t worry about every mistake I make, but try and live to the best of my ability because “Big Daddy” isn’t looking over my back waiting to dip me in the “Pit of Hell” as they say.
Thanks!
I mentioned in another blog post that people will thank god for their safe being but will never blame god for putting them in harms way. With the tornadoes destroying parts of Alabama, bringing death, and destruction, do these god believers blame god for the tornadoes or do they accept that weather is to blame? See the illogical mindset of the religious.
I also do not understand how black people are deeply devoted to the Christian faith when it was brought onto them by the oppressive white people of the past. The religious believe that all men are created equal but churches are still segregated. No offense to anyone on this blog that is white or black.
My friend used to denounce the christian faith but now is a firm believer all for the sake of love. However, this cannot be deemed the true love that Meier speaks of since he changed his beliefs to conform to her beliefs.