As a follow up to my recent blog about the New Age nonsense event, I was contacted by one of the speakers, Rob, who sent me a friendly message on Facebook.
I decided to look into his information and got a bit of his personal story, which included his family’s heavily religious background and some of his life experiences, etc. (Be sure to catch the little “Introduction from Treb” audio clip on this page, it’s a real gem.)
This led me to watch a little of a video in which (at about 30 some minutes or so) he, well, kind of rents out space to a…”Reptilian” extraterrestrial who shares its (strangely accented) words of wisdom, perhaps while simultaneously eating flies on its own world.
Changing Channels
It brought me back to those halcyon days of New Age bliss, back in 1986, when the channeling trend was just in its seminal stages. Rob’s particular bit of mumbo-jumbological astro-babble is highly derivative of the “Bashar” channeling by a person named Darryl Anka. (Think of Rob’s version as the equivalent of a rock and roll tribute band playing not quite competent covers of songs that you didn’t want to hear anyway.) Well, they say that plagiarism is the highest form of flattery.
It should also be noted that the ironically named Tom Clearwater (an oil company executive), who was involved in both Steven Greer’s film and Stephen Bassett’s disclosure hearing fiasco, also credits himself with being the executive producer of the Bashar documentary. My, what strange bedfellows.
I honestly thought this channeling stuff was passé but it looks like it’s been picked up by a new (de)generation of lost and confused refugees from religions and dysfunctional families, etc. And guys like Rob are enjoying riding the new, entrepreneurial wave of “How You Too Can Turn Mental Illness into Fun and Profit!”
Billy Meier covered the topic of channeling quite well, in 1995, and was of course also accurate when he said that these self-induced schizophrenics will “pop out of the ground like poisonous mushrooms.”
Look Both Ways before Crossing
I decided to write about this because I actually couldn’t think of a meaningful direct response to Rob, to whom I am also sending it. I know that he’s already very invested in maximizing all the profits he can juice from the fruits of his subnoxious mind, so I figured that reasoning with, or giving unsolicited advice to, him wouldn’t be productive.
As we watch Rob do his impression of the Geico lizard on steroids, the “everybody has their own truth” crowd that chided silly old me for being so impertinent as to call for evidence for people’s wacky claims, now has some serious thinking, if not explaining, to do.
Let’s just hope that Treb Bor (roB berT?) doesn’t have the misfortune of trying to cross any dark highways at night when the infamous Susan Swiatek is behind the wheel.
thanks for all the “trash” talking in the name of revealing the truth MH. It’s been a fun and good quality read. SIL
I am the Rob that this article is about. This is what I wrote to Micheal that provoked this entire blog specifically.
” I was the other presenter at the event. I am sorry. Despite our differences in views, you seemed very passionate about what you were speaking about. I respect the passion in you as well as the information that you brought forward. Love to you and your work. I read the blog, I know you do not think highly of me or my work, and I know there were a few people defending the other presenters at the event. I really do not care about all of that. I just wanted to reach out and say that I am gratefull for your work and your passions. Helping people see the importance in the contact with Billy Meijers. Stay passionate and stay within your convictions brother !”
Then he wrote this blog. This is how I responded
“Well that was very interesting interpretation. What I would like to share with you is I watched your movie today. It was done very well. Congratulations. It is very interesting to me how most of Billies contact when it comes to spiritual information seems almost 85% similar to the stuff we teach. The only difference is you believe only one person can do it. I KNOW we all can. Even you. If Billy would have let you in the side hill astral projection copper configuration he was guided to build, you could have experienced it too. I wished he would have let you have that experience. BTW. I give free channelings to anyone who needs them. I also give away my books. I also give people sessions who have very little money in donation type sessions. I believe in what I do the same as you do. In fact at beginning of my presentation, I actually told people how I admire your passion. It is an age thing. Your generation is a bit to angry to find this in yourself sometimes. We all are connected to creation. Billy said it himself. He said in dreams we can see the future. I am in tune, have trained my consciousness. Billy can do it, I can, so could you if you place a little more in your heart instead of relaying so much on your mind. Your brain is just a computer. Nothing more. Discernment comes from the heart. Love to you and I wish you luck on sharing this amazing story with the world. love
Rob Gauthier
Thank you for the links. I will look into them soon.
I know ur a proof guy, so am I. That’s why I never ask people to just buy my word. When I get the eeg done when I am channeling, I’ll send you results. Hopefully this will give you a bit more information. Proof for you. Its only way I can think to prove it. “(honestly I do not care if I prove it or not, in my heart my highest excitement is sharing it with others and helping many people get their lives feeling a little or a lot better)
He asked me, after my first response, to share my resonance and my original comment with you so any of you might be able to share insights on this. I am not into arguing or challenging anyone else’s beliefs, as I understand that an experience, or a truth can never be questioned. I know that truths come from separate perceptions. NOW.. I assume you are all proof people, so here is a little science to prove the possibility that channeling is possible and that quantum physics are finding more and more each day to show that telepathy is real. In fact Jason found a Great article (in the very first thread called disconnected) about how it was PROVEN scientifically that two peoples minds can be connected. So enjoy this documentary, it is only 1 and a half hours of your life away. I will probably not read your responses because this is a mixed crowd of hostility and this kinda stuff messes up my flow LOL. Love you all and hope you find my comments and or documentary helpful.(Or entertaining, which ever makes your day have more smiles ) LOVE.
Rob,
For now I will see if any of the readers wish to respond to your post before I make any more comments.
Everyone,
I also do ask the readers to address the essence of Rob’s claims, points of view, etc.
Now that we’ve got the conversation going, and having lit a few fires to do so, let’s see if we can continue without any personal attacks and focus on the claims, etc. I’m not asking anyone to pull their punches regarding the content, beliefs vs. facts, truth and knowledge, contradictory information from the Meier case, etc.
Let’s assume that all of us are solely interested in what is true and what isn’t. So while we can certainly have a vigorous discussion and debate, let’s keep it focused on the content and not on the personal elements.
Rob,
The only question I have for you is, why?
Why what ? Why share my experience that changed my life ? Ok. Lets say you find a diet that helped you loose a hundred pounds and saved you from dying twenty years early, you would tell anyone who would listen, same thing. 🙂 I do not find the need to defend anything. Just like Mike will say Billys work speaks for itself, I would say not one of you has listened to any true amount of my work with Treb to say any real thing about it. There is thousands of hours. Like I told Mike, even if you can not believe Treb is who he says he is, Do not listen to all things you feel involve space, Treb, his race ext. and you can learn allot about being a better person, finding great ways to channel your creativity and love. Being a better person in General. But again, it is not me who has to really convince anyone. It is only one avenue. You all are correct, grown ups can make up their own minds what they believe and what they do not, i NEVER ask anyone to step were either they don’t feel comfortable, or they feel to silly to step into. Thank you for your questions.
Rob,
First of all I don’t use the word “believe” when it comes to things that actually exist if I don’t know then I don’t know, I left my religious beliefs behind me and got into the world of reality. In reality we need evidence to prove the existence of things that actually exist or that we say exist. This “Treb Bor” sounds very much like Rob-Bert turned backwards when you logically think about it. This must be a huge coincidence, right? Therefore you having not to prove yourself of anything means that we should all just take your word for it that you’re in contact with some reptilian being.
What physical or scientific evidence has “Treb Bor” offered you that benefits humanity or that you can reference? Ufology seems like a world of belief driven people not having to prove anything to get by sort of like religion.
Delusion which is and I quote ” a persistent false psychotic belief regarding the self or persons or objects outside the self that is maintained despite indisputable evidence to the contrary”, where is the evidence that eliminates you from being under the umbrella of delusion?
Hopefully this isn’t looked at as an attack, but ony straight forward conversation.
Rob,
You’re a fraud, and you know that. Everything that you said was pure nonsense and absurd. I suggest that you stop your lying nonsense, before it all comes crashing down upon your deluded head.
I also strongly suggest that you study the Meier material asap. You are a mess and in much trouble.
Tony, I did indicate to Rob and everyone on the blog that I wanted to not be attacking Rob but challenging his statements, beliefs, claims, etc.
If we invite someone to participate, as I did, it really shouldn’t be to do what a lot of the skeptical and disinformation sites do, i.e. attack, etc.
So, can we have just a little of that…kinder, gentler Tony here, which would include posing your questions and challenges and perhaps referring to specific things in the spiritual teaching…rather than just clobbering the guy over the head?
Thanks for the suggestion, Michael, but that’s your style, not mine. I can’t stomach being soft on the liar.
Tony, please respect the context that I’m trying to create here.
I’ve invited someone to participate here, whose views I certainly not only don’t agree with but have all sorts of ways of challenging if I wish do so.
But I’m hoping that a discussion with people who have more background than Rob does with the Meier material, as well as other life experience, etc., may be helpful. It should be no secret that my own, at times, in-your-face style is intended to shake up the rigidity of the various parties, such as the skeptics, UFOCI, New Agers, etc., for the purpose of determining the centrally important issue, i.e. the truth.
Dear Rob,
Please excuse all the small minded Billy Meier people; not all of us are so unbalanced. I am glad that you are interested in the truth. I hope that you continue your investigation into the case and spirit teaching. If you are to consider yourself a Meier student, you would eventually come to Billy Meier’s stance on channeling. He says it is nonsense. He meets with ETs and has been doing this for decades, so I think that he would be a good source for what is true or not true about extraterrestrials. Meier claims advanced humans use telepathy, an earned ability through higher levels of consciousness evolution. Meier says that even most of the Plejaren have not mastered telepathy. Now channeling is NOT the same as telepathy. So immature Earth humans do not have the capability to be communicating with ETs, who themselves have not all mastered a psychic communication. As far as I can tell, all chandlers are doing is going into to a trace to mine their subconscious. We all have the answer or solution locked away in our subconscious; it is when we bring that to the conscious mind that we can make use of it. So from a certain point, your sessions are useful to discover more about yourself and your inquiries. People can do this with the I Ching or Tarot cards. Some people use psychedelic drugs to tear at their subconscious. The error comes when you are convinced that you are channeling some advanced being. This is not happening, according to Meier.
Rob my friend, don’t let these Figu captain obvious troops turn you off of Billy Meier. Don’t be afraid to give up your channeling and start developing your consciousness with powerful Figu tools like, “The Might of the Thoughts.”
As you grow, you will eventually realize that you have lifetimes to do this. Point your goals and attention to improving yourself by finding your faults and incorrect ideas, and making corrections. You will then be spiritual and on a path to eventually communicating with higher beings. But until then you need to do lots and lots and lots and lots of mental pushups. Get started my friend… The way you climb a mountain is one step at a time.
IF channeling did connect with another being, it WOULD require telepathy. But it isn’t and it doesn’t. So, yes, it’s simply an aberration whereby people create a schizophrenic state, sub-personalities, etc. and do great harm to their consciousness…and evolution.
Michael,
The damage depends on how religious and far from the truth. Poor Rob is a peaceful, open-minded person from his entries. He is not any less religious than say Tony astro. So as Rob has stated this primitive exercise has helped him. So when Rob does his thing, he is getting some answers. But yes, the other side of it is that Rob is also lying to himself with his misperceptions. This is happening too. The point is that not all has been lost. Rob can learn from his misunderstanding and become an even more powerful spiritual person. Like there is light opposite darkness, there is good as well as harm that we do to ourselves. I’d say Rob is doing as much harm as say Tony with his astro charts. These are all the same crutches.
Cut Tony off. This is ridiculous. Even after your comments above, he comes in with this? Unbelievable. I know you have a laissez faire approach to moderating, which is great, but I’m sure no would be offended if you turned off Tony’s mic when he comes in with these hate filled ad hominems.
You and Anthony are hilariously ignorant and unintelligent.
Ok. I have. I find resonance with some of it. But i do not treat anything lik,e a religion. It seems many Meier followers treat it as a cult. If you do not BELIEVE… you are damned. I do not subscribe to that. I am a man who offers one way of thinking. My job, is to work myself out of a job, all i have EVER shared is self empowerment, but what is funny, is the funny voice, and movements I make in the camera, make you judge it without EVER listening to ONE word. I believe it is almost sinful to try and sell anyone on my way of thinking. Why would I want a world full of me’s LOL. Thank you for your perspective.
Rob,
As I’m mainly leaving the comments now to others in hopes that there will be some dialogue, I will only say that you need to become a lot more familiar with the fact that there are NO beliefs stated, promoted,endorsed in the Meier material – NONE – and so no cult of believers, nor do we support the religiously tinged idea that anyone is “damned”.
I do hope that you will address the specific questions posed to you and vice versa.
Michael,
This was a great humorous topic. Sorry, I know you meant it to be otherwise. Let me submit the following as a contribution to the fantastic humor of it.
Alien channelers are either a fraud, or suffering from complex psychological issues. Of late, I have read a lot of “messages” that aliens are in control of our world, they are protecting the common people from dark cabals by intercepting missiles, etc. Here is the proof that they are frauds. Let me give a message to all so-called aliens and their “channelers”. If you aliens are in control – can you please strip off the clothes of the members of the top 100 dark cabals in the US tomorrow, when they go to their office/shopping, etc., and then post on this blog the list of names of all the people from whom you have taken away their clothes.
We understand you cannot kill the dark cabals because you will accumulate bad karma, but with your super technologies, it must be possible to take off all the clothes of the top 100 dark cabals in the US tomorrow.
My final “message” to all the so-called aliens is to “stop talking big, stop that lying business of channeling, appear on tv and give your message, or else go away, if earth has survived billions of years without you folks, it will continue to survive.
Rob, you are a piece of work.
Rob it gets down to the truth as in the ‘truth’
Truth can’t be known without us putting an effort towards ‘thinking’
During the process of thinking you learn which also leads to experience, insight, understanding, recognition, awareness, knowledge, cognition and more learning.
In and of itself you can even learn lies and deem it truth so this is why we are taught to apply logic and common sense through deduction and pensive thoughts.
In the end everything comes down to the knowledge of truth
Well, that youtube vid is a bit simplistic view of religion and the subject of Gad.
Rob,
What does Trev say who Zeus was?
This hits the bulls-eye.
We human beings are very complex and truly don’t know ourselves, or much about how our consciousness functions. So much is contained and explained in the Might of the Thoughts and the Psyche that sheds a lot of light on this.
Matthew’s post contains a lot of very pertinent information and I hope that Rob will read and consider it as it may apply to his own life circumstances.
And I have to wonder if Rob has any familiarity at all with:
http://www.hitentertainment.com/barney/flash_mx/sites/player.asp
Thank you Micheal and Mathew. I will look deeply into this and love to you both.
Hi Rob good luck with your new found studies
I really hope you get something valuable from it.
Cheers
I have been reading theyflyblog for a few months. It’s refreshing to hear voices willing to cut through the crap / nonsense and talk about what’s really happening in the world as we know it today.
It’s entertaining. At times hilarious. (The scathing frontal assault on ‘Rube Dube’ was priceless, extremely well done and well deserved. top secret writers ain’t so secret anymore.)
The reason for exposing the UFOIC-Entertainment has been clearly stated. They have denied and intentionally obscured the reality of the Billy Meier Case with mounds of trash. For that reason the truth needed to be told.
How could it be otherwise?
Finally, isn’t it obvious that almost No One has shown up to defend their claims?
Where are they?
Thank you, Michael, for pointing out the obvious.
hear hear
this has been an interesting blog post, thanks everyone. Off topic I will add this quote that I love….. “LOVE Teaching letter No. 27, page 296.” The love of Creation is everywhere, because without it nothing at all would be able to exist. The individual should therefore be aware that he exists only through the love of Creation and that he carries this love also within himself. All of nature in its indescribable splendor is nothing but the love of Creation, which is expressed visibly. Its laws are so wonderfully arranged, that people everywhere come up against its radiating love.”
Global Warming in effect? Sinkholes. Prophesy.
http://news.discovery.com/earth/global-warming/another-massive-hole-appears-in-siberia-photos-140729.htm#mkcpgn=rssnws1
Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement. The lather seems more popular, than the former. I think the, “whats in it for me” , made in the U.S.A.. We are first, as well as any other CANNED propaganda that has been the core of the belief system, here in this country. When you say, “I believe”, it means, you don’t know. To me, Billy and his friends, are like someone that wins the lottery every time. Not because they believe they can, it is because they know it. So how many times will it take, before we begin to pay attention. Im thinking, after a big score. Altho not, a big win really. Having to tell someone, LOOK OUT!!!!!! while an out of control monster of their own making barrels down on them. May seem negative to those people, as this type of thing may ruin their day. After all, they have things to do. Like, get their hair done and that doom and gloom stuff, happens to others. It is better, to speak of shopping and sports, Miely lohan, Blissful, ignorant. That way nothing bad will happen. Well…….its a start. Thank you MH, for your tireless efforts. Salome.
In regards to people who do not like to hear criticism of others, whether it is kind or harsh criticism, it smacks of religious people and their “be nice, kind and tolerant of others, do not judge them” nonsense.
I for one, will criticize and correct anyone, when I judge that to be the correct thing to do.
Of course, Michael, keep on doing it your way. The liars, slanderers, defamers, frauds, absurd idiots, mentally ill, etc., must be corrected or ousted. The mountains of lies they put forth block the truth from Humanity. If I had the authority, power, and permission, I would put them all to death. If the world doesn’t change very soon, the Henoch Prophecies will manifest, and they will perish regardless of what anyone says or does.
So, in my perspective, we are in the final years of this Piscean Age civilization, and the Aquarian Age will manifest by 2028. The question is, will it come peacefully and intelligently, or through death, destruction, and desolation.
From: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_249
Billy
“In one of our previous conversations you mentioned the number of dead who were murdered by Christianity throughout its existence up to December 31, 1992, through wars, church courts, fanaticism and other causes. You also mentioned the number of those people who were murdered by other religions over the past 3000 years. Here is my question: Does this number also include all of those victims who had been slaughtered through Judaism, roughly 3500 years ago?
Ptaah
Are you referring to the 1500 B.C. period?
Billy
Exactly, that is the time I mean.
Ptaah
One moment. I am not familiar with this data, I must retrieve it first … Yes, here it is — over a period of 1000 years, counted back from 1500 B.C., a total of 19,463,000 people were brutally and inhumanely slaughtered by the forefathers of the Jews, the Hebrews and others.
Billy
19 million 463 thousand! That is an enormous number of people who suffered a forced death in only 1000 years through religious madness and racial obsession, fanaticism, church courts, commands of God, religious wars and judgments of God, along with other insanities. And all of this was perpetrated by a small group of single, megalomaniacal, degenerate people who had become obsessed with their faith. This number is almost identical to the people who had been killed by Christianity over nearly 2000 years. Yet, even today great numbers of people are murdered in religious mania and fanaticism – many of them in masses. Religions and religious sects are currently more powerful than ever before, although the opposite may seem true. Together with sciences, politics, crime, technology and the military, as well as each branch of the economy, religions are pulling everything into their powerful grip. Never before has any type of life form possessed so much power over the Earth as Man does today. And all of these people who represent and exert this earth-conquering power, the people who are in charge of all this, are so irresponsible that they never feel addressed or concerned. Everyone of them lives irresponsibly and without concern at the expense of their own, ours and all of humankind’s descendants. Oftentimes these irresponsible people even carry famous names. Yet, many people who have famous names and titles, are simply major, irresponsible and vicious criminals.
…
None of them understand that someone who thoughtfully and justly criticizes another human being’s actions, thoughts, feelings, lifestyle and opinion, among other things, is that person’s true friend. He who praises but omits criticism is the worst enemy.”
Okay Tony, I am NOT going to vote for you as Supreme Ruler because, as you know, putting everyone you don’t like to death isn’t exactly what the spiritual teaching (let alone FIGU’s crusade against death penalty!) is all about.
As the last line you quote above says, “None of them understand that someone who thoughtfully and justly criticizes another human being’s actions, thoughts, feelings, lifestyle and opinion, among other things, is that person’s true friend. He who praises but omits criticism is the worst enemy.”
So let’s all try to be friends in the truest, most genuine sense of that word, of those words and their truly loving connotations.
Unless people learn and change into truly spiritual people, they will not survive and enter the Aquarian Age regardless of what anyone says. If they did, they would try to continue their unspiritual way of life. In my opinion that will not be allowed, one way or another. So, the unspiritual will perish soon anyway. It doesn’t make any difference to me how it happens. I have no hope for the vast majority of Humanity, in my opinion, they will perish.
Well Tony, at least no one can say that you’re not a dreamy, cheerful, over the top…optimist!
You have that right, Michael. I’m a hard core, dead serious realist. Both pessimism and optimism are worthless mind games to me. Optimism – hoping and wishing and $7 will get you a cup of coffee. Everyone should take a very realistic look at what is transpiring in the world TODAY. We are certainly staring down the Henoch Prophecies. By the end of 2015, even a blind man will see that.
TOny,
I think you lean more towards being a…pessimist.
Why else would say “and $7 will get you a cup of coffee” when you can still get a cup of coffee for $3.99?
I would never drink a $3.99 coffee, LOL. I always enjoy your humor, Michael, but I’m sure that you see the HP manifesting right before our eyes, and Humanity wants to continue to play their extremely stupid religious, governmental, and incorrect scientific deadly games. We’ll see what happens, but it doesn’t look good.
Well you’d be surprised at some of the food and beverage values here, really. But I don’t want to say too much, for obvious reasons (like I enjoy my privacy, etc.)
BTW, I could arrange for you to pay more for the coffee…
Tony,
Let’s face it, you’re not really a herd coal kind of guy. We know you would sit around the model city fire with a Banjo while singing the Age of Aqueous song rocking it like it was 1989. Warming up people’s hearths with your protractions!
Tony,
Those are very religious overtones you’re using. “So, the unspiritual will perish soon anyway”, isn’t this similar to Christians saying that if we don’t accept “Jesus” we’ll perish in hell? I told you before that you seem to be very religious minded when it comes to the Meier case. I don’t think that the “unspiritual” will suffer anymore than the spiritual because we’re all in this together and collective efforts from both sides is the only thing that can bring change in the world.
Tony,
J. does have a point there, a few of them.
I disagree with your opinion. We will see who survives, and anytime that you refer to me as “religious”, you are profoundly incorrect.
Tony, “religious” fits you exactly. J. Smith was spot on. You are suggesting that those you are deemed “unspiritual” by you, will somehow “get what they have comin” but the righteous will somehow avoid harm. If this ain’t a religious idea, I don’t know what is. It’s got belief written all over it. How would this happen? When the moment hits — nuclear bomb, tsumani, what have you — somehow all the good guys will (through following astrological impulses?) be in a place of safety? Please quit intermingling Billy’s/P’s language with your obvious religious delusions. The two things — Meier’s Spiritual Teaching and information, and your religious beliefs — are in fact very very different things.
We ARE all in this together — your continual use of “us” vs “them”-type language is absurd and tiresome and smacks of religious nonsense, not to mention contempt for life and humanity.
Andy,
As usual, all of your comments are incorrect, and some idiotic. No one is more anti-religion than I am. You will be mostly ignored, until you demonstrate an open mind and some intelligence.
SIL! Tony you’re one crazy guy! I admire your passion though.
and this is why one should not blindly take what anyone says, particularly the Plejaren!, without fact-checking externally & checking the logic internally … I ‘believe’ that 19,463,000 number who were brutally and inhumanely slaughtered by the forefathers of the Jews, the Hebrews and others, has since been revised downward, slightly, to a mere 100,000 ( I think ?) who were brutally and inhumanely slaughtered by the forefathers of the Jews, the Hebrews and others. IOW, Ptaah was not only wrong, but he was WRONG by 19,363,000 or 99.5%. And even Billy took it in as fact, at that time.
Bruce I’ve read that somewhere also but forgot which contact report or bulletin
Can you provide a reference for that
thanks
Matt, I looked a bit for that but couldn’t find it .. but I think it was in the FIGU forum where Billy answers questions .. not sure of the exact # he cited … thought it was 100k but I may be wrong .. in any case it was an egregious mistake by the Plejaren .. no idea how it could have been so off… if I find it, I may ask Billy why that happened .. also for many years, it was said that Billy’s spirit form was 80 billion years old which has been revised to 8.8 billion I think .. I’d like to know why such #’s were so far off
No worries Bruce good effort nonetheless.
You are absolutely right with that remark of yours that we can’t just simply take Billy’s word at face value especially considering how time and time again we were blindsided by the always reoccuring surprises cum another jab at our gullibility and intelligence or lack thereof.
Upon reading the correction Bernadette made about Noko’s Spirit age I said to myself ‘gees not again and what if this one too is incorrect’ and instead of being 9. something odd billion what if it’s 900 million and if you revised this figure you gonna get hellofalot busier having to also revise the history about the great restitution movement and the chronology of all the period in contact 251 especially Noko’s reigning in of the despots with his peace keeping/enforcing android forces
Ah, once again my little maxim is confirmed, “Wherever human beings are concerned, things can and will get screwed up.”
Hi Rob, this is not a personal attack its just the plain truth. You claim to be channeling a friendly reptilian alien, who apparently has no problem communicating in English and has no problem with verbal concepts such as those that plague the poor channelers of the dead who can only say things like “I’m seeing a green hat, or something green…is there anyone in the audience with a green hat..or cat….maybe it’s blue..” You get what I mean.
So you can ask Treb anything, ask him one thing that can be corroborated in the next year about anything and post it up here within the week. Billy Meier has multiple examples of corroborated statements of scientific evidence given to him before the discovery by man.
Give us one. That’s all we who seek the truth ask. Prove you are who you say you are, an EEG will prove nothing except your brain is in a different state when you “channel” My brain is in a different state when I’m going to the toilet to when I’m eating my dinner. Give one concrete example of this entity being anything other than a figment of your imagination and then these very intelligent people involved in the investigation of the one and only proven ongoing contact case in the history of mankind will listen to you without doubt.
One other thing, Meier never said channeling and telepathy are not possible ( for chanelling in the sense that you are talking about is in fact telepathy) he just said that in most cases on earth that the people claiming to do it are charlatans and or mentally unstable. I have an idea, ask Treb to give you some information recent information that was given to passive members about other extraterrestrial races on earth but has not been released to the public..its not earth shattering but as far as I know its not been released yet. He seems to be able to talk in great detail about the various densities/ soul evolutions whatever..of humans, things that if they exist we know nothing about so ask him something about what some of us have just been told. I will assume that a failure to respond with the information that is currently known by some but not all will mean that Treb has left the building. Can all smart arses reading this asking Meier to do the same please refer the the previous 40 years or so of having done so.
Well Tony lets talk about channeling. The biggest “joke” is how an alien can learn English and talk through some humans mind. Well i believe that Billy’s aliens spoke English ? If they did or did not it has nothing to do with channeling. I sent a link to a movie that shows how sceince has proven it is possible to channel and not one of you will take the words of world famous scientist ? Treb comes from a race that uses telepathy, the English is a translation of metal thoughts and projections. Not just I have been able to hear them. You guys think channeling is only been sense the 80’s. Not so. It is thousands of years old. Men in tribes would connect to spirits all of the time. Now, as for predictions, even your own Billy said that time is set to free will. You can change anything as it happens. So why would an entity who can see probabilities tell me something will for sure happen when they know it is not true. Any thought information, energy can change the probability. The closest and most well published ” Prediction” Treb made was during the Fukishema incident he told me there would be another explosion in the reactor and I published it on facebook 2 hours before the last explosion, BUT that doesnt mean allot either. The possibility was so high it was almost sure, but it still could have changed if any of the collective energies would have changed. SO it was just a good probability that came to be and I reluctantly posted it to share with people. If Mike adds me as a friend, he would be able to see it. you all have such different views on channeling, and this is an issue for me. It would take me 30 paragraphs to even explain away all of the misconceptions you all have on channeling. My first bit of homework for all of you is watch the first video I sent you on quantum physics and translation of consciousness in physical to non physical states and then we will have a building block to start from. But I have a strange feeling no one here will watch it because you already have the truth that is comfortable for you, and THAT IS OK. I appreciate that more than you all know. I am grateful that we all get to choose our own expressions of consciousness. Hope you all enjoy the movie. If you watch the movie and you can truly comprehend it, I will start sending you more advanced stuff. THIS IS HARD CORE science, make sure you are ready for it. BUT remember that all the science shows you the possibility it CAN happen, but no proof I can show you that I myself do it. But allow you to the possibility of it. LOVE to you all. If you want cutting information from Treb about other races and info, you will have ot do what I would have to do, lol, dig through HOURS and HOURS of the free information on my youtube pages. He has expressed things form many contactees that they never told him. Knew intricate details. SO that can be a start. I want to know more specifically what you mean ?
ROb,
I want to add a few things that I’d like you to address:
1. Regarding channeling, it would require telepathy. Have you ever been tested and been able to demonstrate actual telepathic abilities in a controlled situation here on Earth? Since you claim that you can receive telepathic information from a being supposedly light years away, the first step would be to demonstrate that you can just as easily do so with someone sitting perhaps in another room, a matter of a few feet away from you.
2. There is absolutely not an iota of actual “scientific proof” in the film you linked to. So you have to remove any claims about scientific proof for your channeling if that’s your best “evidence”.
3. Please trust that we can “comprehend” what constitutes SCIENTIFIC proof, since Billy Meier’s evidence has been SCIENTIFICALLY tested and authenticated. And do you have anyone of this caliber willing to come forward and endorse your claims:
http://www.prweb.com/releases/2014/05/prweb11867883.htm
4. Speaking of Fukushima, Meier’s information – published within days of the event – was not only very SPECIFIC but has proved to be painfully accurate. And he has dozens and dozens and dozens of such examples.
We’ve offered you a place to make your case here, so please take it seriously enough to not just post unsupported claims, anecdotal information and beliefs.
Thanks,
MH
Precisely correct Michael. The man has no evidence to back himself up with, and he is a waste of time fraud, there is no doubt in my mind.
Once again my detractors show their ignorance with their silly stupid laughable comments.
From: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/FIGU_Bulletin_002
“…many lies, frauds, charlatanry and hoaxes are perpetrated within ufology circles (see our pamphlet Those Who Lie About Contacts), channeling, so-called séances and other subject matter. Reasons for this vary greatly, and range from egomania, or image improvement, to sectarianism, which is then supported through these fraudulent activities, etc.”
ENOUGH SAID.
You want science ? Here you are. I talked to a dear friend who has the professors of a few colleges in his closest circles. So now I present to you all something that you are going to have to find your own experts to disprove. As far as I am concerned this trumps anything we all have talked about when it comes to science. ( I mean our talks about disproving channeling and NOT the science behind Billy, which to me looks very solid.) Fresh off the presses of Cornel University Library from their own physicists work. Enjoy……
“I just came upon quite an interesting read as I’ll ever get into. Pretty surprising considering more than half of it is theoretical mathematics equations that pretty much sum up scientifically just how mind (mental) powers are interacting with not only matter, but also on the spiritual/ethereal/astral/virtual/galactic planes. Also pretty much breaks down the hierarchical levels of universal consciousness. All in all, bout the most scientific proof a skeptic could ask for, especially when in relation to channeling and the ascension. Pick up a pencil and do the math yourself. It’s real folks. Don’t believe me? Like I said, read this 80 page report, fresh from the presses over at Los Alamos National Laboratories. Home to the A bomb and deep underground military bases that stretch the whole world.
Check out this choice selection from page 54:
We put forward a conjecture, that even teleportation or spatial exchange of
macroscopic number of coherent atoms between very remote regions of the Universe
possible via coherent Psi-channels. If this consequence of our theory will be
confirmed, we get a new crucial method of the instant inter-stars propulsion.
Full text at: http://arxiv.org/ftp/physics/papers/0003/0003044.pdf
It is a pretty dense and scientifically written proof…so tackle this at your own risk. With the dwindling physics and math skills of my yesteryear waning, I still found it enjoyable as there is MUCH insight of what goes on in the minds of the US government’s top new technologies lab scientists about current events surrounding us.”
Rob,
Thanks for returning to answer questions.
First, you have to understand that citing papers that themselves incorporate the use of words like “conjecture” and “theory” to try to substantiate your own subjective experience or beliefs, doesn’t “prove” anything.
While there are many things that could be so, and many that aren’t so, instead of trying to take the leap that this particular paper, even if it is valid in itself, somehow puts a stamp of authenticity or approval on your claims (or anyone else’s) just isn’t valid and certainly not the way science works.
For instance, you’ll notice that…you and your claims are not referenced in this paper.
So, lest you think I’m being too picky here, if you are convinced that your experiences are real and scientifically valid, the best way is for you to test your own telepathic abilities under scientifically controlled conditions. In other words, something as simple as having you in one room and another person you don’t know in another and scientists alternately having each of you send/receive information telepathically would establish that you possess the necessary abilities.
Of course, assuming that you can do that with someone a few feet away, the experiment would proceed to testing you at ever greater distances. Let’s also remember that you’re essentially saying that, out of over 8 billion people on the planet, a being for whose existence there is no verifiable evidence, on an unknown, remote world – light years from Earth – who supposedly has the ability to telepathically send information to/through people on Earth, has selected you as an instrument for his information and, despite the huge significance of such a thing if it were true, has chosen to NOT present even one significant, unique piece of testable scientific information but rather messages that are, honestly, indistinguishable from the many people here who, because of a form of self-induced schizophrenia, utter almost the exact same things.
Now, can you see and understand that we hold and require reasonable standards of evidence, especially because Billy Meier’s evidence and information has indeed survived the most rigorous examination and his itself – specifically – been authenticated and endorsed by real experts?
Please, address these concerns and possibly other ones that will be offered here by our readers.
I too was aware of the consequences of Fukishima within a few hours of being told about it . . . . without being told anything else but what the media was broadcasting. I immediately saw what the repercussions of this would be. . . . the meltdown of reactor cores etc and etc. . . . and I am not a scientist. . . .
Well Carolyn once bitten twice Chenobyl shy isn’t it
Rob if channeling is real can you please prove it with concrete proof and evidence to substantiate your claim?
Thanks
One other thing..your material is nowhere near 85% close to the Meier information, its the same as 90% of the rest of the new age movement which was STOLEN from Meier and changed into this unceasing sea of wishy washy garbage. This also is not a personal attack, it’s a statement of fact, you are probably a nice guy just trying to make a buck in this crazy world like everyone else its just that all the people trying to make……ah bollox..life’s too short. Fair play to you Michael for having the patience.
How ? Jane Roberts started modern day metaphysics / new age and started producing her work in the 1960’s ? Spiritualism churches have been around for 1700’s until today. Native Americans teach similar teachings, Southern Americans, all well before Meier was born (exception Jane Roberts) But how early did Meier’s start sharing his work publicly ? Probably after the 1960’s ? Seth Material was very relevant in Early 60’s. That was the grandmother of metaphysics. At least modern day types. The name Meta-Pysics is Greek and goes back to 300 BC + philosophy. So how is this being pilfered from Billy ?
Rob,
Let me ask if you have read the information on channeling by Billy Meier in these two documents:
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/FIGU_Bulletin_002
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_233#section_2
Jane Roberts is positively scary. And everyone should remember that the name Seth belongs to the ancient Egyptian god who murdered his brother Osiris (precursor of both Horus and Jesus Christ, I believe). Anyone chanelling Seth’s mind would be suspect . . . . at least if you consider yourself to be a “friend” of Osiris. . . . . . tongue in cheek folks. . . .
Don’t worry Carolyn,
Jane Roberts is probably…still dead and I don’t think we have to be concerned unless Miley Ocyrus starts channeling her.
Another good one Mike oh cyrus yeah oh serious?
Glad you caught it, Matt, these things may come too easily but it doesn’t mean we should’t have a few groans about it.
On behalf of all rational thinking beings on earth I apologise to any extraterrestrial beings observing for what can best be described as an ongoing Monty Python sketch of human stupidity. We’ll see you at the other side of this mess.
lol touchez
Lets take your points one at a time the Treb, The Plejaran spoke German to Billy,with their mouths,they did so because they learned to,they can learn to speak any language as can anyone with a functioning mind.They also speak English and any other language they need to for their mission. You missed my point , I’m not saying telepathy doesn’t exist in fact I’m sure it does and has indeed existed in some form in some humans throughout history..although the form you claim is not demonstrable in any form at all by anyone on the earth at this present time. I challenge you to provide one concrete example of proven and reproducible mind to mind communication.
That video you posted is “what the bleep do we know”… I’ve seen it, its about quantum theory and concepts of consciousness I have no problem with those suppositions, I do however have a problem with taking those basic concepts of observations influencing events on a quantum level to using it a a cop out as if talking about a reactor meltdown could stop it from happening, I didn’t see you trying to talk down the Fukushima reactor meltdown with encouraging words on the 6 o clock news.
I asked you about something that had already happened anyway,please tell me about that Treb.
The rest of your post is quite frankly difficult to understand ,I’m assuming English is not your first language so I won’t hold that against you. Anyway I await your response to my original question to Treb.
English is my first language, just not so hot at it lol. I chose to develop my skills in other areas as a child, such as math and science. English was my own hardship. With the Fukishema thing, I posted it on facebook so people could send love, and good thoughts. Quantum physics backs up a lot of what channeling is. It is quantum level communication. But I will get into that soon. I just need to find the stuff that is bit more intense sense you all did not appricate the lighter hearted stuff.
Rob,
Respectfully, you didn’t address any of what Tony provided. Quantum physics doesn’t back up channeling – which is solely a phenomenon produced by your own consciousness. Instead of tossing those terms around, without any credible substantiation, please address the information that Tony took the time to present.
We appreciate honesty.
Actually don’t bother ..its a waste of time. Chanellers really piss me off , its an insult to human intelligence. It’s like taking advice from a sock puppet operated by a child with an overactive imagination. Sorry…They actually might even be well meaning in their own little world but they shouldn’t be let out of the play pen.
“…a sock puppet operated by a child with an overactive imagination.” Very good. But in his case, an adult with either a severe psychological disorder, or a fraudulent imagination, and a lying disposition.
Matthew, you obviously went to the school for kids that don’t read good. Empowerplus is recommended for bi-polar, not schizophrenia. Not once did I say anything about schizophrenia in my posts. The reason you’ve never heard of Empowerplus is because your dear pharmaceutical companies can’t make any money off of it. With Empowerplus having an 80% success rate for BI-POLAR you would think that would be the most important thing, to help people (like the 2 people who got together and concocted it because one of them had a violent son and a wife who committed suicide a couple years prior). Of course you aren’t interested so continue to tell people to take pharmaceuticals and I’ll continue to tell them not to. I’m sure glad you read those articles about vitamins (I didn’t) considering that you’re not a doctor which means you have even less than 6 months training in nutrition. Vitamin D – do you even know how your body makes it? From Sunlight – and because we live north of the 49th parallel we don’t get enough sunlight for our bodies to make it all year long, hence the use of Vitamin D for what we call winter time depression. It wasn’t hard to convince the psychiastrist at the UofA to change medication from Adavan (they give it out like candy) to vitamin D because they know it works, how come you don’t? It’s not a big secret that Dr. Abram Hoffer started out with mescaline and ended with niacin, just like he says in his biography:
http://orthomolecular.org/history/hoffer/index.shtml
The reality is the CIA can’t make any money off of niacin.
I have no sponsors like you do and last time I checked I could say whatever the hell I wanted to. Are you telling me the pharmaceutical companies won’t allow that? But I guess the true test would be the statistics on your population versus mine and whose got more crazy people per capita? You win!
Have you read The Psyche and if you have, did you put it into practise?
Sheila,
I don’t want to keep going back and forth with you. Michael’s blog is about ‘Psychosis In Action’ and ‘channeling’ which stems from schizophrenic-type illnesses. You then wrote, “People are so weak minded these days that at the onset of depression they run off to the doctor to get a pill to cure it. Personally I always try to convince them to take Vitamin D3 instead since it’s non toxic because we don’t get enough sunlight to last us all winter long.” So although you would not confront the term, you were, in a roundabout way, addressing that on a blog dealing with much more serious problems associated with schizophrenia and suggesting that Empowerplus would help this ‘weak-mindedness’. When Billy uses the term ‘weak-minded’ we can either choose that to be a reprimand or an accurate description of real ailments, as are ‘weak hearts’ or ‘weak bladders’, etc. Suggesting that people are weak because they take antidepressives may not apply to those taking responsibility for the very real illnesses they have and that they cannot relieve unless using medications.
Nowhere in my post did I suggest that people only try antipsychotic medications. In fact I said that I encourage people to try alternative treatments. If these work for people… great! It seems you may be arguing with someone else, possibly projecting an adversary to your trying alternatives, onto me, which has nothing to do with me. Research has shown that Plecebo is also effective in treating some mental illnesses so I tend to go with the dictum: Whatever works for you is good! However, saying that I have no authority because I’m not a psychiatrist, but, then disparaging psychiatric treatments seems a little mixed up. In my 15 year career to date, I have supported the Recovery Movement and social model of disability and made some small tracks therein, so you are way off the mark. In England, people who use mental health services are encouraged to choose which medications that work best for them and the Care Program Approach (CPA) and soon to be released Department of Health Codes of Practice promote choice in every aspect of care and I welcome all these developments and so we may be using, as reference, two completely different psychiatric systems and differing national legislations.
I am currently reading the Psyche and the Might of the Thoughts, but, slowly. I want to ensure that I fully take in the information, bit by bit, and thereby integrate the teaching therein in a meaningful way.
Hi Rob,
Having read nearly all of Jane Roberts books and meeting, in person, Roberts Butts, her surviving husband at what was their joint home in Elmira, New York, I hope to further your investigations and interests in Billy Meier and impart to you the efforts I took to understand New Age philosophies and ‘channeling’ which lead me to write this post.
What ‘channeling’ seems to represent, for me, is a stretch, a negative strain, upon the rational capabilities of human beings. In the vacuum created by the enlightenment in regards to the rejection of religion and associated moral and ethical values that were once demanded by the church, it seemed as if human beings were, on the one hand, faced with their infancy in terms of scientific understanding of the unseen and, on the other, left without any instructions as to how to conduct ourselves morally and in terms of a shared value base. The information from Billy Meier fills that vacuum and has come exactly at the right time.
There were a couple of issues I discovered when investigating Jane Robert’s claims. One was that she claimed to know hardly anything about the Christian (Catholic) religion when she ‘channeled’ her information about the origins of Christianity and, yet, as a woman who had spent a considerable part of her childhood in Catholic school, I found that to be incongruent to the truth. It appeared to me to be as if she was not able to take responsibility for what were deep-seated religious beliefs that were, in all probability, held at bay as they were associated with her terrible experiences of an abusive, suicidal, bedridden, mother, who, “…used to tell Jane that she was going to turn on the gas jets in the middle of the night and kill them both”. The other signs of trauma leading to psychological disorders and ‘channeling’ were Jane’s habit of eating one tiny piece of bread every day and seeming obsessed with food. This indicates to me that Roberts had an undiagnosed eating disorder. As eating disorders are often rooted in exaggerated needs to control ones enviornment, in order to compensate for deep-seated insecurities, I was also alerted to the possibility that her ‘channeling’ a strong-minded, confident, broad-shouldered male – ‘Seth’, were symptomatic of underlying psychological issues. Other clues that her ‘channeling’ was not that dependable were the psychological and psychic tests that were carried out whilst she was alive and that she failed to a large extent. Although there were some indications that she was able to ‘hit’ some blind targets, psychically, this was actually less remarkable than what her followers were able to achieve when they passed ‘envelope tests’; copying pictures sealed in an envelope accurately. In fact, in my own experiences, I’ve met many people, some of whom had no prior interest in all things ‘psychic’, do very well in similar tests of psychic ability. It seems to be an inherent ability of humans that Billy Meier explains in detail in the ‘spiritual teaching’. Other clues that Jane Roberts’ ‘channeling’ stemmed from some unprocessed underlying psychological problems are indicated by her best friend, Sue Watkins, in her accounts of Jane’s very ordinary and sometimes ‘boring’ personality. It was if her best friend needed to set the record straight after Jane’s death to tell her followers that despite the ‘Seth’ episodes, Jane was not that remarkable in her day-to-day life, perhaps explaining a psychological need for her to shine in her ‘channelings’. However, with all that said, her catchphrase, ‘Your beliefs, expectations and emotions create your reality’ was FAIRLY accurate except for the beliefs bit as it is the ‘thoughts’ that create reality as is exaplined by Billy. I personally enjoyed aspects her ‘magical approach’ that encouraged human beings to trust in healing subconscious processes to sort emotional and psychological problems out. This was definitely an indication to me that towards the end of her life that Jane had developed some interesting ways to cope with what, for me, were the very real psychological traumas that she experienced in terms of the abuse of her mother in Jane’s childhood.
Let me get back to my first point about ‘channeling’ representing a stretch of the imagination; of rational thinking. In order to cope with psychological trauma, human beings can be very creative. The human mind is immense and will conjure up all kinds of ways to avoid harsh, ‘don’t want deal or think about that’ realities. In this light, Roberts’ dictum of beliefs creating reality can be seen as psychological gymnastics to avoid the harsh reality of the ordinary – the real and her thoughts around this. Billy Meier presents us with a new paradigm: Dealing with the truth and living with the truth and facing reality. Truth, as is promoted in New Age circles, is not ‘relative’. Understanding that point alone represents a huge step in the evolution of ones consciousness. Whilst New Age followers will refer to differing witness accounts of people at an ‘accident’ scene being different, it is important to understand that the ‘map is not the territory’. It is encumbent on the various witnesses to speak with and thoroughly investigate the subjective views of all the other witnesses to get a clearer picture of what actually happened during an event. The human being must not solely be a witness, they must also be the police officer, the investigator, and thoroughly test things out with others before claiming to have any authority on an event, or, subject. New Age believers would have us think that the human beings’ responsibility starts and stops at their own subjective experiences. This is not true, however, as the human being is, when functioning normally, a rational being who uses all the senses and their thinking and intellect to thoroughly test their views of reality against the truth which will emerge from these efforts. In this regard, I ask you to read the links below from Billy Meier. If you have been studying ‘channeling’ then I would thoroughly recommend the ‘spiritual teaching’ of Billy as it satisifies all the unanswered questions left in the wake of confusing New Age philosophies. The benefit to you will be immense I guarantee you. I also ask that you analyse yourself honestly in terms of any traumas and intensely negative, perhaps ‘shocking’ experiences that you may have had in childhood that may have instigated your ‘channeling’. I’m not asking you to reveal anything here publicly in regards to this, but, just to think about that possibility and not to dismiss any experiences that you may regard as having ‘moved on from’. I promise that if you remain open-minded and read the information from Billy Meier you will get all the answers you will ever need throughout your life to fill the vacuum created from the ending of old ways of religious thinking and the emerging new ones that lack a true spirituality.
You will notice that in the following links, Billy has mentioned that there are reptilian humanoid lifeforms that do exist in the Universe. However, these are real human begins and as such will also be subject to the capacities of the human mind which are also explained fully by Billy. Certainly, the kind of ‘channeling’ promoted in some New Age circles is not possible in terms of one humanoid speaking through another humanoid in the way described by ‘channeling’. It is just not possible in any way imaginable. Human beings can send impulses to other human beings, but, these will always be subject to the understanding of the recieving human being and their personal characteristics and come in the form of subconscious thoughts and impressions, or, pictures, sounds, etc., not as words or sentences which are laways to do with the consciusness of the speaker. These impulses can come from benign human beings or from negative human beings. As Jane Roberts understood, thoughts have an electromagnetic reality and Billy talks extensively on this in his extensive writing and explains, in mcuh more detail than Roberts, that they also have their limits which he clearly defines in terms of distances that thoughts can travel. Certainly ‘channeling’ as it is presented is not possible. However, if you are open-minded and willing to get past that, you are in for a real treat in regards to the vast knowledge from Billy! It’s truly mindblowing stuff. Along with all that, Meier does not hold back on some some harsh realities and the truth that are not always easily palatable at first reading. However, I remember when I first read ‘Seth speaks’ and how I threw the book against the wall in anger. Only later did I thoroughly investigate the claims of Roberts for myself to see if there was anything to it and I am richer for it because it represents my journey to finding the true gold I found in the spiritual teaching from Billy Meier. If we remain open-minded and research the information from Billy, both the physical evidence and the spiritual infromation, we evolve.
I wish you well in your journey and glad you were brave enough to write here on this blog which I can imagine was not easy for you, but, represents what could be for you a brave first step into a new world of truth and knowledge… Salome!
In regards to ‘What the bleep do they know’ and ‘channeling’, the following Contact Reports may offer some insight…
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_236
176. Therefore, the Earth person should, in good measure, rely solely on his reason and on his intellect and also on his logic.
177. But this also means that the person of the Earth should, in good measure, rely on the real sciences of physics and astronomy, on medicine, and on the other given sciences of forms related to reality and should turn themselves to these, even though the scientists of these areas still commit many mistakes and even though much ignorance and many errors and negations still appear with them.
178. Nevertheless, they are real scientists who occupy themselves with the effective truth of the matter and with its laws and commandments and who adhere in such a way to the given facts, which unfortunately cannot be said of the so-called esoteric scientists and their followers and believers, for typically, with few exceptions, they are all just pseudo-scientists who rarely step into the public.
179. This pseudoscience is often only pursued by earthlings who are utterly insignificant and who suffer from feelings of inferiority and similar damages, like also the alleged mediums, channelers, and contactees, etc., who only pursue all of this in order to be able to step into the limelight of certain groups or the large public.
180. And pseudoscience ultimately refers to everything that falls within the scope of what is designated as Psi, channeling, mediums, ghosts and demons, religion, contactees and esotericism, for these things do not exist in reality.
181. The actual form of the spirit that should really result from this is solely to be called the “teaching of the spirit,” which contains within itself everything that is of a spiritual and material nature.
Other information relating to issues raised in ‘What the bleep do we know’ and other information…
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Dimensions
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Fundamental_Forces
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Humanoid_lifeforms_in_the_known_universe
Thank you Mathew for some of the greatest grace and civility on this page as of yet. I always have an openness within me otherwise I would not be able to grow each day. I am looking forward to looking deep into every link here and discerning it with my heart and mind. Thank you. NOW, with this being said, Jane Roberts work predated Billys, so this makes no sense when people say that the new age movement stole everything from Billy. Most people I know use Seth books as their own hearts Mantra. Another thing, as I was accused (ever so elegantly by Mike lol ) of being a plagiarist of “Bashar” by Darryl Anka, I had NEVER heard anything from him before I met TReb. In fact I had NEVER heard anything form anyone on this subject about metaphysics before this. I had went to spiritualism churches and they only talked about connecting to spirit. Although they had some similar beliefs, they did not have the extensive insights as TReb did when I met him. So I wonder how is it that I gained this wonderful information from this entity without ever being predisposed to it ? I am asking because to me this is a HUGE question mark. Obviously to all of you have no idea of the truthfulness of this, but ask yourself, If I am telling you the truth, how did this work. It seems like you are able to be the less cynical and more glass half full type of guy. This is a question that only helped me jump to the validity of the message and realness of my experience. Allot of people are also jumping to the conclusion of me having mental illness and horrible life issues. My childhood was religious, yes, but besides this, the only suffering I had in life was the 6 years of depressive thoughts I had because I found out my son was severely handicapped and could never walk or talk again. ANY PARENT who has a kid who is severely disabled takes a while to deal with that. Pretty standard right ? I have honestly made peace with that 2 years before I ever met TReb. So I am not sure how or why that would be an issue. I never heard of Janes unordinary life, but I still having a bit of trouble seeing how that fits into mental illness. Yes, abuse, eating habits, all of these could be examples of textbook disorders. What is psychology ? The people we call psychologist are only working as theories anyway. I have studied psychology before. Everything they do is called theory because you can not study with conventional means the human psyche. As for it being hard to come on this blog and talk. It was much easier than you think. Remember as of now I am a man who believes that each has their own truth, but more than that, I am one who can accept with an open heart that one truth is not any better than the next, even if it contradicts my own personal feelings and truths. I am very grateful to you and I will look over all of this. Thank you again for your civility and interest.
Rob,
Billy Meier began publishing his voluminous prophetic information in 1951…when he was 14. A few years earlier, he had already published a text on meditation. His prophetic accuracy includes an enormous amount of specific scientific information, which differs of course from both yours,the Seth material and all other channellings. (If you ever want me to “channel” for you, I’ll gladly do it. You’ll find that while it will resemble what you do, I’ll be able to draw on information that you’re unaware of from the Meier material and sound pretty impressive.)
Just for the sake of moving this along in a credible way, let’s stop for a moment where you say before you “met TReb”. This of course assumes that there is “someone” named TReb and that you “met” him. If you told us you met someone named “Joe”, who was central to the things you claim, it would be fair to ask you to identify him, provide evidence of his existence, when and where you met him, etc. If Joe is a real person, that’s pretty easy to do.
So, before we proceed based on the claims about TReb, please give us evidence that TReb is a real person, where you met him, etc.
Perhaps at least as important is to consider that there are parts of our consciousness that we are unconscious of which, nonetheless, can impact us quite profoundly. Since you revealed that you have a rather serious and demanding responsibility as a parent, and that caused you 6 years of depressive thoughts, despite what you’re conscious of at this time, you may wish to consider the possibility that such stresses (and your religious upbringing) may well have contributed to your seeking/creating an invisible, all-knowing friend “from above” to help you cope with your own situations.
This is not only not outside the realm of possibility, it’s a far more reasonable explanation than that you have somehow uniquely transcended all laws of science and physics without an ounce proof that you have done so. (It’s actually not unheard of as some little children have/create “invisible friends”.)
So, please provide the requested information that establishes the reality of TReb, where you and he met, etc.
And, if you can’t provide any actual evidence for his existence and your meeting, please explain why it isn’t more likely that, due to certain psychological, emotional, financial stresses, etc., you’ve actually created him.
I think other readers may have questions for you too.
Michael,
I’ve watched some of the guys videos most of them don’t have any video of him actually “channeling” some of them do. With all do respect I think this is a huge waste of time. I won’t even entertain this anymore I’ll just watch you continue to confront him with logical questions and watch him ignore them as if they aren’t there. I guess “Treb” doesn’t like logic and has no way of proving “its/his/her” existence.
Maybe I should say logical challenges to provide any credible evidence.
While I don’t intend this to be an endless, fruitless discussion, I want to see how Rob responds to the latest questions, etc.
I was the one censored on the broadcast and chastised for “presenting beliefs instead of facts”. I pointed out that the other presenters would be very hard pressed to support their claims – which were based on beliefs – with any facts…and should be held to that standard. Rob is the only speaker who contacted me and initiated a conversation. So I want to be as fair as possible in having an open discussion here, primarily so he can support his claims and beliefs.
If he can’t, perhaps it will be instructive for him and then perhaps he would also openly share that with the people in his sphere of interest, in service of the truth and honesty.
Understand, but if you read my last comment, English, spelling, typing, and communication in written form is not my strong suite. To explain all of this would take SO long. So i will link you to it instead. NOW. as for the idea that Treb is a creation of coping, anyone would say that is reasonable, and I will never argue any fact. This is not what I intend to prove because as I have said I can not prove this. All I can do is share my own story, and show you facts that it is possible to channel. Science has shown this. As for Billy’s publishings, were and how did he publish these predictions at 14 ? I know very little about the case exepet what things I have heard allot of the E.T. races he shares is something that TReb has told me is true. Also some of what is said resonates. Your movie gave me more exposure to this case than anything I had seen before. I want to make something very clear here. I am not here to challenge Billys story in any way. Much of what is said sounds like it could be real and I have no need, desire to challenge anyone’s beliefs. This is turned into a debate about whos information is correct, again I beleive in many truths, so this is not relevant to me. I will send you a link to how I met TReb, and even when you hear it, it will not resonate with you because it is an astral state projection. This again is unprovable. I can not prove anything. In fact I am pretty sure I stated that in my very first addressing of this group. If your idea of asking me to share was converting me to the Billy club, IDK if that would ever work. I can not tell you because for me, i change my heart and mind every day when i learn new resonances in my heart. My channeling is my high excitement. I have done well now mentally emotionally and spiritually by following my excitements. I do not wish to take away anything from anyone here. My intent was to add to whatever conversation you have. Here is the link that tells in my own words my whole story. After that I will find the videos and articles showing that channeling is a possibility. I am also slowly looking through all of the links, material ( interested most by spiritual ones ) that all of you have shared. But as you have said, the concepts of Billys spiritual teachings come from his experiences. There is never been scientific proof of this, and you all have taken it because it feels right. There has been many other proofs scientifically that what He said was true about the tree, and recordings and other things. But if you hold me to a standard that says my own experiences are not enough proof, then why do you not hold billy to this idea of his spiritual teachings and what he said that he was told about the universe, channeling exetra. All of that information comes from what he said he hears from these P’s. Much of what I am getting here is that the proof of spiritual teachings is because Billy said so. I AM NOT SAYING HE IS LYING or misleading or anything of that sort. But you have not held him to that standard in any means when it comes to spiritual stuff. All you have is Billys word, and your own discernment. For me, that is all I have needed from TReb. See how that works 🙂 LOL. I do appreciate and love all of you guys/gals, and promise to educate myself deeply in these links you have shared. LOVE.
P.S. Coming soon. SCIENCE… the proof that I offered to you all.
recent. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vUIiVAo_Oc
older . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABgaA8Ogmws
another, only first 30 – 40 mins mins. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpCp7giYodg
Rob,
I’m going to list points here but first let me say that we’re not trying to convert anyone to anything.
1. You’ve shown no facts that it’s possible to channel, nor that “science has shown this”, since you can’t establish the reality of “TReb”.
2. Any logical person would say that absent the evidence for the other person – and absent any specific, uniquely significant, verifiably accurate scientific information – more than likely you are “performing” something of your own conscious or unconscious creation. It wouldn’t be the first time in history.
3. He published his information in Switzerland, with the help of one his school teachers, beginning around 1947.
4. You are certainly free to challenge his information, evidence, etc. – as we are free to challenge yours of course.
5. We don’t “believe in many truths”, an idea that can and does get people into trouble in many areas of life. If someone’s truth is that arsenic is harmless and should be taken to cure your stomach ache, would you still “believe” in that person’s truth…enough to take the arsenic. Or do you already know that their “truth” isn’t true?
6. You state that you met TReb durng “an astral state projection”. Do you have any verifable evidence that such a thing exists…besides a bunch of people syaing that it does? And do you have any evidence for your own claim?
7. This term of “following my/your excitement” is a very often used one in MANY various channelings. It doesn’t really tell us much. “Following excitement” may not be the best way to logically analyze something, for instance. And we often pursue important things without any “excitement” when steadiness, clarity and presence of mind are necessary…such as would be the case if we were really having actual contact with beings from another world.
8. The spiritual teaching doens’t just come from “Billy’s experiences” and while it may “feel right” that isn’t the basis of it. We have to THINK through it and test it in practical application.
9. Since we can think through what Billy has told, and since we have a huge foundation of credibility in the form of his verifiably, prophetically accurate scientific information, we have a reason to TRUST the source…but we still are responsible to think through, question and challenge, to determine the truth ourselves.
10. Therefore, of course we’ve held him to that standard, and we’ve done so, as I mentioned by constantly testing the information through thinking, logic, analysis, application, etc.
11. Lastly for now, we have a verifiably real source of tested and corroborated information which, in our time alone, spans over 60 years. So far as we still can tell, you are the sole source of your information, which also so far hasn’t shown itself to contain ANY specific, uniquely significant, verifiably accurate scientific information. In any school, in a court of law, one source would be considered credible and included, the other would be excluded. It’s still up to you to give us something tangible. I encourage you to reread this and the other challenges and also to understand that this is an IMPERSONAL process designed to provide clarity and ascertain the…truth.
Rob,
One more thing, we had this exchange on your Facebook page:
MH: As an example, did you know that I can levitate, fly, perform aerial acrobatics and gravity defying feats?
Rob: No, i wasn’t aware of this, how is it possible ? i would love to hear more about it
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So let me ask you, do you believe that I can fly, do all those stunts and that – on at least two occasions – I’ve taken a couple of people up with me to experience it for themselves?
Rob,
You said:
“Remember as of now I am a man who believes that each has their own truth, but more than that, I am one who can accept with an open heart that one truth is not any better than the next, even if it contradicts my own personal feelings and truths.”
As of right now, you’re dumb. That is a very stupid statement. Study the Meier material, learn correct information, stop lying, and stop acting stupid like a few others on this blog. I watched the video mentioned above, you’re a bold face liar. You don’t “channel” anyone. Get some professional help. You’re psychotic.
Tony Vasquez, the I’m a Professional Astrologer guy and everyone should know that lest they make stupid, ignorant remarks, ask me dumb, ignorant questions so that I will have to ignore them until they perish, like the dumb stupid ignorant unspiritual, poor excuse for humans that they are, and if it was up to me I’d put them to death myself, because they don’t deserve to live, and because I say so:
You may read the Meier material but it most certainly does not operate in your words here and most likely not in your day to day living and breathing. To say you lack the humaneness in the real and true sense, would be an understatement in an understatement.
And talk about lying/bold face lying, about being dumb and about stupid statements, about being psychotic, about need professional help; you said you’d contact Billy or Christian F. about whether or not you practice the ‘correct form of astrology’ and yet not a word has been mentioned of their response or lack thereof, of which silence would be an answer in itself.
Everyone here, every human in this universe, of which that would include Rob Gauthier and even you, Mr. I’m-a-Professional-Astrologer and all-should-know-this, is at a certain point in their evolution, at a relatively early stage at that, and is here to add to their knowledge, wisdom, love, harmony. The freedom is given to each human to learn at their own pace and of their own decision, including you. Your human disdaining words to others, go out into the universe and boomerang back to its sender, you, where the lessons you need to learn will be delivered via cause and effect, like every other human you chastise and insult.
You may study the Meier material but it flows through you like unused excrement. It would do you and the world good to actually and factually make some sort of attempt to implement it in your actual life.
Go ahead, now you are free to call me an ignorant stupid human who is unspiritual, should die and whom you will ignore, once again.
You said it for me. Thanks. But I’ll make it perfectly clear, YOU ARE TOTALLY INCORRECT.
Emails between me and Christian:
Apr 10 (9 days ago)
to Christian
Hello Christian,
I hope all is well with you.
My name is Tony Vasquez. I am a professional Astrologer with over 35 years of experience. I have known Michael Horn for a couple of years, and I have been contributing on his blog for several months.
I know from experience, and the success that I have had with it, that I practice the correct form of astrology. It is an astronomically correct form. There has been some debate on Michael’s blog as to whether that is true or not.
If it is possible, would you please ask Billy to comment on this issue. Specifically, could you ask him if I do indeed practice a correct form of astrology.
Thank you,
Tony
Apr 10 (9 days ago)
to me
Hi Tony,
How should Billy know whether or not you are practicing a correct form of astrology, especially since he doesn’t know you and your claims and statements, and since you are convinced that you are practicing the correct form?
Kind regards,
Christian
Apr 10 (9 days ago)
to Christian
Hi Christian,
Yes, I agree, how can Billy know? But there are some on the blog who think that Billy can know, or can find out. I don’t need the validation, but they do.
I know from experience that I am practicing a correct form, so we will leave it at that. And I think time will prove that I am.
Thank you very much,
Tony
Tony pro-astologer ..,., glad to see your Bescheidenheit remains intact.
298) Never be haughty with your next ones, and live in modesty with everyone and with yourselves; do not strive for renown and fame, because otherwise you will fall victim to megalomania, selfishness and wanting to appear to be more than you are, as well as the worship in irrationality performed by others who bow down to pay you homage (glorify you).
Bruce,
Your judgment of me is totally incorrect. I think you have some irrational prejudices flowing in your mind.
Tony,
… did you miss what Christian typed to you? Let me help you …
“since you are convinced that you are practicing the correct form? ”
“since you are convinced that you are practicing the correct form? ”
“since you are convinced that you are practicing the correct form? ”
“since you are convinced that you are practicing the correct form? ”
“since you are convinced that you are practicing the correct form? ”
What exactly are you asking Billy or FIGU in particular? Do you want them to say yes you have convinced yourself that you are practicing the correct form of astrology?
Well what it sounds like this is a witch hunt. What you do not understand you fear. Tony V it is YOU that are the psychotic zealot. You all sound like a cult. Billy Meier is disproved in all ways.
1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxHt-R687pE
2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nk6duwc6EM
3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdkevoQKaDE
4. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPZeOD4rI3o
5. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4N6WRwU2LMc
6. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmJw3FOcI10
7. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyTUyQt4mGc
8. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeBUJbcGEoc
9. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubOl6AazVF0
Well Doug finally surfaces after searching diligently for any bit of skeptical nonsense he can. Of course he doesn’t realize that ALL of Phil Langdon’s futile efforts have been thoroughly…debunked themselves.
Try:
https://theyflyblog.com/billy-meier-ufo-case-prove/06/15/2014
Yeah, you can prove it yourself…which of course is a big problem because then you have to refute your own findings, which I don’t think scientists (or anyone else) like to do.
And you’ll love these too:
https://theyflyblog.com/mindboggling/01/07/2014
https://theyflyblog.com/wcufo/03/04/2014
Poor Phil has gone a bit bonkers and can’t debunk, or reproduce the evidence…which you couldn’t either.
Not another one! There must be a nut tree nearby!
Yeah, this guy got all upset and decided to debunk the Meier case. He thought that I was “putting down the audience’ intelligence” by pointing out that channeling, etc., is pure fantasy and nonsense.
Now he’s making claims about a “cult” but, funny thing, he’s the one that came knowing on our door…trying to sell pseudoscience.
He’s nuts. No one can debunk the Meier case. How can you debunk truth? Illogical mental pygmies.
Hung from a fishing pole? Phil and Doug need to go fishing, for some brains. They have to be disinformation. No one can be that stupid.
It’s easy for a greater spirit to take over a simple human being and speak through them. Good spirits wouldn’t do that, so most likely they belong to the Giza group. . . . I wouldn’t trust anything they say. . . . .
Nah, no spirits “take over a simple human being and speak through them”, it doesn’t happen. Only people’s own confused, subnoxious minds are responsible for it.
Carolyn that’s nonsense
You’re a laughing stock!
SIL! Douglas if this is your source for proving that Billy Meier has been “disproved” it says a lot about your level of thinking. That’s all. After Michael shuts your or well they’re not yours, but another persons claims down with evidence please don’t let the door hit you on the way out. Or maybe you can still [at your own will] and dig through the rest of Meier’s evidence.
*stay
Douglas,
I am glad you brought up Phil… He has helped tremendously in showing how REAL Billy’s case is. If this is what a ‘professional’ can do sooo many decades later, it shows just how authentic it all is! Did Billy Meier have drones? Was he a professional model maker… why is it that I see Langdon holding his remote to Langdufo with TWO hands?
All whom are researching this case should look into Langdon’s ‘work’… it just might show a telling tale of the reality of what is standing in front of us all.
You can’t disprove Billy Meier. How can you disprove something that is true and real?
Michael, you have to agree, these people are either disinformation, or they are of a very low level of intelligence, and perhaps mentally ill.
Tony,
I don’t understand you ones again. At this point in the evolution of our fellow humans, all information is a gate way to finding the truth. Many people need the positive, as well as the negative…. to find some sort of inner peace with anything(any information). Especially as so many have been deceitfully misdirected at the very cost of the… truth.
The world is such a wonderful place to be alive in…. it truly is. Life is a learning experience and one can and should find joy, peace, happiness in anything thrown at them. We must find the best in any situation and try and enjoy every second of it. The here and now… the beauty of life and our fellow humans in any form. When we find no joy with that of our own kind, will we ever find it within anything else on our world? Some seem to have the opposite effect as well. Some seem to value ‘pets’ more than humans on the premise of how far humanity has negatively effected them…. do you have any ‘pets’ Tony?
Philip,
Your lovey dovey stance is appreciated, and I too am a man who fills my life with truth and love for all of Creation, but I see the enemies of truth very clearly, and to me, it’s a war against them. Sometimes a war of self-defense is justified. Everyone will operate according to their own freewill choices, I know that very well. I choose to FIGHT lies, ignorance, and machinations against truth, especially the deliberate attempts to mislead and misguide, and to brainwash Humanity against the truth.
As I said, to me, it’s WAR, not that I am happy about that, nor would I choose that to be. It is what it is.
We are looking into the face of the Henoch Prophecies, which means the near, or total destruction, of civilization, and the only thing that can save us, as I see it presently, is the Plejaren/Meier material. If you see something else that will do the job, please let me know.
One more thing, and let me make this very clear, I sincerely do not care if someone dislikes me, or my words and actions, or disagrees with me, my actions are based on years of research and study, and a very realistic understanding of the time of history we live in, which in part is based on, and confirmed by, my astrological expertise and knowledge. Re-read the HP, tell me if you do not see them manifesting before your eyes. Like Michael says often, this is about survival!
So, I choose to verbally attack the enemies of truth, to point out their errors in a harsh way. Remember, the pen is mightier than the sword. If I offend you with my method, just turn the other way.
Have a great day.
Tony cheer up man I know life can get serious but it doesn’t always have to be so darn dead pan serious.
Tony,
Being a fellow American, if that means anything more to you, I am not living under some rock. I can sense what is happening like anyone else paying attention. We here are in for nothing short of chaos, if not all out nuclear war. Yet, every day is a chance to further our own development and to share what being a true human means… is.
Where is this truth and love for all of creation?
I know what we are going to be facing soon, it is obvious at all levels of our country. Count me as one very much preparing for the future we imminently face! I choose to stay in the heart of this beast knowing what potentially awaits us all. Though I will put a smile on my face everyday, and be with my fellow humans in peace, love, happiness, equality, and freedom. Find, and think of only the best for this world and me, that so dearly needs to change. Will it come to be by doing, thinking all we ever know… war, destruction, death?
What do we have if not that which is right here and now.
Though I sincerely hope all here are making some kind of ‘arrangements’ for the future so close at hand.