As he had promised to do, MUFON’s Executive Director, Jan Harzan, has opened up the Billy Meier UFO case for international investigation and discussion. By making the research page also interactive, now MUFON’s large international membership, and all other interested parties, can pose their questions and challenges about the Meier case.
It’s also to be noted that the Meier case is also still ongoing – for over 72 years – and the next logical step of course is for MUFON itself to fully participate in the investigation.
MUFON receives an average of 500 – 1,000 reports of UFOs per month, equaling approximately 6,000 – 12,000 reports per year. To date, as far as I have learned, none of those reports has resulted in any verifiable evidence of anything of extraterrestrial manufacture, nor certainly of any contact between any extraterrestrial life forms and anyone on Earth.
I have already suggested that, with decades of such consistently fruitless expenditures of MUFON’s valuable resources, in time, manpower and money, that:
1. All such future reports should first be referred to local authorities, or independent scientific researchers, for actual investigation so that sufficient, credible evidence can be collected before turning it over to MUFON for any further investment of its resources.
2. Since the Meier case is still ongoing – and all the freely available, still irreproducible evidence remains unequaled by any of the tens, or hundreds of thousands of already reported cases over the past 45 years – MUFON now has the opportunity to determine if they’ve finally found what they, what we all, have been looking for. If so, MUFON would play an important role in revealing and confirming the most important true story in all of science and human history.
My thanks again to Jan Harzan for taking these courageous, historic steps and actions in pursuit of the truth.
Well……..it has been like pulling taffy. I hope it is just as sweet. Good for you, MH. Thank you, so much. Salome.
great work michael! keep it going
It couldn’t have happened without Jan’s being open-minded and courageous.
Does one have to pay a fee and register in order to be able to comment?
I don’t think so, I didn’t. Try and see what happens.
Thank you to Jan for keeping his promise and good effort Michael
To get the ball rolling I’ve asked you a couple of questions over there
Okay, I’ll take a look, thanks.
I said it in 2013, that the truth about UFOs and ETs would come out in 2014 and 2015. Now, let’s see what Humanity does with it.
Hey Professional knucklehead knowitaller,
The truth about UFOs and ETs has already been out for years! But the overwhelming majority of humans have not yet heard about Billy Meier or the Plejaren. That will not be happening in 2014 or 2015. I can guarantee you that. It will take centuries before the mass of humanity realizes the truth which is existing now.
But please continue with your foolish comments and predictions Mr. Tony V.
Pretty rude comment Schantz; you might want to check to see if your interpersonal-relations compass needs re-calibrating. I understand your thinking my friend, but whether persons believe in what Tony does is up to them. In addition, Tony has been a pretty solid contributor to the blog and comments section for quite awhile and is doing his part as we all must, participating in spreading the truth. Please show some respect.
Mr. X,
First off, I am not your friend.
Secondly, I find your compass is beyond calibrating if you think my comment was rude while praising Tony V.
But if you think his solid comments below are worth supporting and deserve respect then that’s your opinion my non friend.
“Of course, Michael, keep on doing it your way. The liars, slanderers, defamers, frauds, absurd idiots, mentally ill, etc., must be corrected or ousted. The mountains of lies they put forth block the truth from Humanity. If I had the authority, power, and permission, I would put them all to death. If the world doesn’t change very soon, the Henoch Prophecies will manifest, and they will perish regardless of what anyone says or does.”
Well no one in their right mind can accuse of us being some hyper-happy, mindless, robotic, cult! We freely take to enacting our own version of the Three Stooges slapstick, happily bonking each other over the heads. I don’t know, perhaps it has some therapeutic value.
Thanks Xavier. You are 100% correct. But I must say, jerks like him never bother me, they just show their ignorance, and they will have to all eat crow when my 2014 predictions come true, some already have. I would say more about people like him, but I respect Michael’s request to keep it clean.
Can we just feel the love here!
Tell those rude dudes to join the Ferangi,Borg, or any othe the other rude badies of StarTrek and PLEASE TRY to tell these rude dudes to get their heads and compass going in the right proper direction MH.
Thank you Michael, for being fair, as you always are. And I totally agree that we should be civil on this blog. But if someone attacks me, I will defend myself. That’s reasonable.
I certainly understand defending oneself. Of course, if we take a lesson from Billy, he actually often remains silent on certain things like personal attacks and trusts that the facts and truth will win out.
Now that we’ve run out of popcorn, hot dogs and beer while the game goes into extra, extra innings,I would suggest that we leave the offensive language aside. By that I suggest that your claims and predictions will either be shown to be accurate and true or not, within a few short months, so we can basically let that rest.
And, to/for all concerned, the other part that would be delightful would be an absence of name calling between us all in that regard. I think that your opponents have valid points too and and if we just keep the focus more on the factual, disagreements can still be pursued vigorously but in a slightly more friendly manner. So any of the “well, he started it”, or “she said, so I said” kind of stuff should be retired but, again, without stifling free expression regarding disputes over facts, points of view, etc.
I’m not sure Schantz’s comments were rude or not, but, Xavier, if by calling Tony a “solid contributor” you mean a disgusting and pathetic contributor who chiefly posts only lies and insults, then that would be accurate.
Speaking of eating crow, Tony… you have four months left, how many of your dozen or two predictions for 2014 have come true yet? By my count, almost one (February was pretty cold). Keep digging that grave buddy.
And Tony calls people who challenge his “ability” (lies/delusion) as ignorant brainwashed fools! Not only is he long overdue for an apology to many on this forum, but it appears he’s become completely incapable of living in and accepting reality.
(Lest its unclear to the reader — when someone NEVER responds substantively to the criticism of his position, but instead simply calls you a fool and 100% wrong, you can rest assure they obviously do not have an answer to your challenge, and are obviously simply trying to save face and protect their fragile ego and the thin thread of a connection to reality they may have left).
Tony’ level of psychosis is on par with the Treb-channeler — a big difference between the two men though, the treb-channeler is a LOT more mature, pleasant-seeming, and likable than Tony.
Well let’s be fair about one thing, Rob’s channeling is doomed to reveal nothing of specific accuracy and Tony’s got a bit of time, plus some past successes.
I really do wish though that we weren’t having to wear protective helmets and gear to discuss the topics. And let’s put the comments into the appropriate blogs.
Greetings to Michael, Tony and Andy: Andy, I am not sure why you are so upset with Tony and with his astrology’s predictions. Let me ask you some questions.
Have you met Tony in person?
Do you know anything about astrology?
Well I met up with Tony because I wanted to see his works and predictions about myself and my family. Let me tell you that two of his prediction came true recently. I never told Tony about it though. As for me, I don’t know anything about astrology so I just listen. I know that there will be hit and misses. Just reading to your comments, you seem to be very angry person. Remember what Billy has taught us, “I am relax so I have might over me” also, “do not criticize and defame your neighbor unless you have solid proof” even then, we must lift up our neighbor if he is wrong. I believe that you are not an astrologist and have no clue how it work. Why are you attacking Tony and why can’t you ignore his comments and his opinions. Only astrologist to astrologist can debate their ways of calculations. I do believe in astrology. Billy’s birth day and time was chosen and manipulated by the ET humans. IMHO, astrology is part of universal’s energy. We are constantly affected by the universal’s energy and impulses we send out from our thoughts to the universe.
If Tony’s reading was off and incorrect, let it be. Your comments are not really helping anyone in this group nor do we care for it and do not appreciate it. I don’t think there is an astrologist that can predict 100%. I think what Tony is trying to do here is to warn us. If you think Tony’s predictions will not be fulfilled, then let it be. Just like Billy’s warning about the biggest earthquake in San Francisco and others predictions. I was warning my friends and family about the solar flares that missed the earth last year. I was so sure about it but it did not happen. That was my mistake to spread the warnings. But I definitely would not appreciate if people calls me name and defame me.
Whatever it is Andy, please tone down on your comments and do not personally attack Tony. Better yet, don’t say anything. If his predictions were wrong, you suppose to support his spirit by saying you must use a different ways of calculation.
MH, hope you are well. Sorry I missed you during your visit to LA. Would love to spend time and catch up things with you.
Tony, hope you are well also. Please keep up with your warnings. Whether they are fulfilled or not, I appreciate your efforts. If you missed, try harder. If you hit, great work.
Hi Ben,
Nice to hear from you. I hope you’ll join us up here for the study group too.
NOT ANOTHER IGNORANT LOUD MOUTH BRAINWASHED FOOL!
As I said, so much for group-think and unrestrained demonstrations of peace, love, freedom and harmony!
“Right on MH, Ya got my vote any time”.
Hi Michael,
Since it has become a source of contention, let me clarify the following comment.
“Of course, Michael, keep on doing it your way. The liars, slanderers, defamers, frauds, absurd idiots, mentally ill, etc., must be corrected or ousted. The mountains of lies they put forth block the truth from Humanity. If I had the authority, power, and permission, I would put them all to death. If the world doesn’t change very soon, the Henoch Prophecies will manifest, and they will perish regardless of what anyone says or does.”
First of all, obviously, that death statement is a pure hypothetical, because I will never have that kind of power and permission.
Secondly, I was specifically referring to those individuals on Earth who deliberately and diabolically keep the truth from mankind. Those that irk the Hell out of me with their evil machinations to hide the truth from Humanity, the truth that could change the world into the kind of world we want to see.
Sometimes, I get super passionate about the truth and against the enemies of truth.
Tony shut up about killing people!
Darcy and others,
If the Henoch Prophecies take place, and in my opinion they have already started to an extant, MANY people will be killed. It doesn’t make any difference if I talk about death or not. GET REALISTIC. There are 4 wars going on right now – Ukraine, Iraq, Gaza, and Syria – where hundreds are being killed almost everyday.
Hi Ben,
Thank you so much for your kind and intelligent words. You are 100% correct. I look forward to reading whatever else that you write on this blog.
Agreed, because I predicted events using dates and it does not work because it is like winning the entire lottery Jackpot to oneself and in the end result is you lose.
You’re incorrect.
The renewed teaching presented to us by Billy Meier and the Plejaren Extraterrestrials absolutely opposes the death penalty and killing. Any student of the teaching will have realised that it is totally counterproductive. The hard, necessary lessons about respect for life and for the creational laws and recommendations cannot be learned by a dead person. If those lessons are not learned in this life, the following reincarnated personality will have not advanced any further. The hard lessons must be learned by the wrong-doer in this life. Appropriate punishments and self-punishment (through cause and effect) take this logic into consideration. FIGU absolutely opposes all calls for the death of others. How wrong that is can be clearly seen, for example, by the increased horror in the Middle East.
I agree with some of what Schantz says regarding Tony Vasquez, he seem to be a self-promoting “I predicted that too” type of fellow who has been wrong so many times in the past, but made so many prediction that his claim to fame might include one of the many shots he’s taken for which one of them might hit the bulls-eye. If you shoot long enough you by chance will hit the target once in awhile, even if you’re not accurate most of the time.
I do find it reprehensible to speak of “killing” someone for their ignorance or contrary view and opinions. Thankfully, Shantz doesn’t have “the authority, power, and permission” to do as he says he would do “to put them all to death.” Maybe he should move to Iraq and join ISIS so he can kill all those who are of different faith, belief and opinion.
To be agreeably disagreeable is an art form of itself and though I remain open minded and curious about all this Billy Meir stuff I do have reservations too. Having known Michael for many years as a friend I have immense respect and admiration for his dedication, research and unflinching courage to stand up against “the slings and arrows” of those who try to discredit or attack him. As was once written “because you were neither hot nor cold, I spewed thee out of my mouth. Michael surely isn’t luke-warm when it comes to his commitments to his cause and belief, be he right, or wrong.
Ron,
Think you mean that Tony doesn’t have the authority, etc.
BTW, it would be hugely helpful if you would put forth your reservations, here and/or on the MUFPON page, so that they possibly be addressed.
Nice to hear from you!
For your information, I have been correct many more times than incorrect. Check the astrology blog regarding this.
Tony, I know you refuse to study the very teaching that you love to give lip-service to and feign allegiance to, but maybe you’ll do yourself a favor and have a look at this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases
Should prove a valuable resource for you.
“Maybe he should move to Iraq and join ISIS so he can kill all those who are of different faith, belief and opinion.” Right! This is exactly the way he presents himself!
And thanks for Vivienne pointing out that capital punishment is of course always wrong anyway. I’ve made it kinda a personal duty to correct some of Tony’s more atrocious lies, twistings of the truth and the teaching here, but its nice to have others say something in opposition to this man who evermore exposes himself as a hate-filled liar and fraud.
Micahel, I may have stepped up my harshness towards Tony today… but jesus knows I love this blog, and I’m simply sick and tired of seeing it so continually infected by Tony’s lies and contempt.
There is always negative and positive in any situation. So, there has to be other side to Tony’s statements. Without them, anger that You carry inside, which I would not call “harmonious state”, could not be brought up for you to see, recognize, and …… possibly let go.
Andrew J.,
I’m an Andrew J. too! How about that.
If you are suggesting that there is a silver lining in Tony’s lying and contemptuous posts, and that is that it affords an exercise in dealing with being ticked off, I suppose you are right.
Doesn’t change the fact that I don’t think Tony’s insults, lies and calumnies should go uncontested. Thanks though, you are right, I’ll try to be more calm in going about it.
Andy,
As usual, you are incorrect about EVRERYTHING related to me. I DO NOT LIE. The truth is, you are too closed-minded to see the truth that I write. Besides, what are you trying to achieve with your childish anger, I’m not going away, and I will continue to write the truth, as I see it, whether it’s astrological truth, or other truth. Your diatribes against me have no affect on me whatsoever, they only show your ignorance of astrology, and other subjects, to me. So, calm down, be peaceful, and that’s what will return to you.
Also remember, this is Michael’s blog, he will decide what is posted here, NOT YOU!
Again, just calm down.
Michael is not wrong. I suggest that you read and study the Meier material, THEN you will realize that. I also suggest that you refrain from criticizing me, because you do not know what you are talking about. Study my predictions on the astro blog, you will see that I am accurate to a very high degree. Astrological predictions are not usually precisely detailed like the predictions of the Plejarens, who have time travel capabilities, but they can be accurate to high degree.
This is great news. I really want to see the discussion that will take place on MUFON’s site. Michael, when you say Billy’s contacts is still ongoing does this mean that he’s still writing down contacts reports? And how is Billy is he still walking around having to meet the P’s at different locations or do they come to him?
J.,
Feel free to go there and join in. Billy’s contacts still continue and these days they come to him.
Greetings Michael: Would the Pjs find a new contactee after Billy is gone to continue the work?
Not according to what I recall. There’s no need to, everything they intended to give/tell us has been accomplished.
Now it’s just up to us.
Michael, do you encourage people that are here on your blog often to comment on the MUFON site or do you wish to handle the questions and challenges on your own. To others that are new to the case it might seem bias of us. I would comment there, but why when I can ask you the same questions here.
I would only ask that if people interact there that they don’t go beyond their own knowledge of the information, etc. Anythings that are more appropriate to our discussions here are probably best done here, as that is MUFON’s site, not mine, etc.
Of course I’m hoping that the interactions there will be heavily attended by MUFON people and others who want to question and/or challenge the case. But everyone’s obviously free to do what they wish.
Great investment of your time Michael! Glad this has taken a more positive turn. Jan Harzan is certainly pivotal in getting the BEAM evidence validated. Hope the rest MUFON organization sees and recognizes the long overlooked validated evidence.
Without holding reference to anyone I found this wiki to be quite amusing and somewhat useful 🙂
http://www.wikihow.com/Deal-With-Dumb-People
Very nice job Michael!
Let’s hope that MUFON will use a fair amount of money, time and resources. Very happy that the ball will be rolling.
THanks Derrick. I actually sent this to their editor, Roger Marsh:
Hi Roger & everyone,
Now that Jan’s made it possible to interact regarding the Meier case, it would be great if you informed your fellow MUFON members and expressed your own opinions. Of course it would be most helpful if the executives at MUFON participated, especially since it looks like you have what you’ve been looking for…for decades.
Everyone now has the opportunity to get some definitive answers to any questions about the authenticity of the Meier case.
Best,
Michael Horn
IMPORTANT NOTICE TO ALL TRUTH DEFENDERS.
New translation of a MAJOR course-change announced by the Plejaren:
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_486
They are (obviously) a LOT smarter than us, so it PAYS to follow their new direction and not ignore it. It’s to do with respect.
Peace.
Thanks Dyson,
I also earlier answered that FIGU has confirmed that they approve of the particular approach I’ve taken…because the direction and focus is towards the spiritual teaching.
“I also earlier answered that FIGU has confirmed that they approve of the particular approach I’ve taken…”
Sorry. I missed that.
???? Now I’m confused. Does 468 not apply to you although you were singled out by name? How about me? I need to know because I’m probably going to join MUFON Australia, and have already been asked to write for them about Billy by their National Director, Dr. Ioannis Syrigos.
Thanks.
No problem. I wrote to them to double check, not wanting to get “Winterized”. I suggest the same thing, to be sure.
From what the CR sounds like, “Winterized” is the least of you guys worries.
Thanks, MH. I’d love to see how FIGU put it, because Florena seems quite unambiguous, and I, personally, am just going to try to follow that welcome directive strictly, since – let’s face it – anyone STILL, in 2014, pushing the idea that this is a hoax, is obviously a fool, and we all know that arguing with a fool only makes two fools.
Cheers!
Right you are, DD. I have found that a bit of patience and understanding – with the right people, who one may not have even thought were that a while ago – can yield surprisingly good results.
I noticed the approach was more of a less diplomatic nature and at times I was cringing, but in the back of my mind I truly felt that someone needed to hit the donkey on the head and get something done for goodness sake.
Glad FIGU agreed and I think it is wise. 🙂
Thanks, Michael. I offer your email publicly, because of course it concerns all of us who sincerely want to do it right, and I think Christian’s below interpretation is a very important clarification of Ptaah’s/Florena’s tightly-worded directive, which I found unusually hard to try to accurately put into English.
> Hi Michael,
>
> No, you don’t have to stop your current efforts because they are not solely based or focused on the beamships, but are tending towards the spiritual teaching and the prophecies etc.
>
> Salome,
> Christian
Florena: 12. “Dazu soll ich dir nun gemäss Ptaah und Quetzal und von uns allen, die wir mit ihnen zusammenarbeiten und zusammen auch alle notwendigen Dinge beraten, nahelegen, dass du und die Kerngruppemitglieder sowie die Passivmitglieder, wie aber auch Michael Horn und andere Personen, euch in keiner Weise mehr auf irgendwelche Kontroversen in genannter Form einlassen sollt.”
(Thereto, according to Ptaah and Quetzal and from all of us who work together with them and discuss all necessary things with them, I now should advise that you and the Core Group members and passive members, as well as Michael Horn and others, in no further way ought to involve yourselves in any controversy in said form.)
So this means that, “in genannter Form” (“in said form”) refers only to the immediately preceding sentence about “Israeli Special Secret Services Colonel” Kal K. Korff (he calls himself that) and his machinations about, what he calls our, “Satanic-based ‘UFO’ cult”.*
11. “So konstruiert er hassvoll und in lächerlicher Weise unmögliche Dinge zusammen, insbesondere hinsichtlich der Photomaterialien, die er als für seine absurden Behauptungen und Theorien anführt.”
(11. So, hatefully and in ridiculous ways, he [SSS Colonel Korff] fabricated impossible things, especially with regard to the photographic materials, which he cites as “proof” of his absurd claims and theories.)
Oh, well ….. I’ll choose to interpret the Plejaren’s views more broadly and include not only beamships.
Salome
*Quote from K.K.K.’s website (emphasis in the original):
“As seen on FOX TV! – THE DEFINITIVE VERDICT ON THE EDUARD “BILLY” MEIER UFO CULT – PERIOD! In August and September of 1991, American Author, Broadcaster, Columnist and Investigative Journalist, Kal Korff, traveled secretly undercover and successfully penetrated the Satanic-based “UFO” cult of Eduard “Billy” Meier in Switzerland. Growing his hair and beard for over 1.5.years in order to fool the Meier cult members and disguise his appearance, Korff posed as “Steve Thomas” and visited the cult for three weeks. More importantly, Korff located ORIGINAL film negatives, and then successfully DUPLICATED several of Meier’s “UFO” photos at the SAME locations in Switzerland! Illustrated with more than 117 images/photos.”
Thanks Dyson! I had been defending all MH’s recent ruffle-feathering…but was kinda wondering about that contact 468 bit…
Thanks to Dyson, Christian, and Michael for clearing that up!
Coral Carp should go bother Pootin.
Did someone here not eat their wheaties? Killing? Boy that would really accomplish allot. Perhaps the UFO stuff overshadows the important things such as love, kindness, understanding and the spiritual teaching?
Salome
That’s awesome to see Billy’s case incorporated where it belongs for ones!
I also am thinking more and more about getting involved with MUFON! Still think it would be a good idea for me to attend one of their monthly meetings, to start, when the snow begins to fly around here.
I still just cant seem to find anyone around me also interested in this topic! I have tried within my family and friends to no avail. An island of thought… hoping to finally, someday, get in my ‘boat’ and do some real interpersonal exploring.
Seems this will also be a win for MUFON, as they are going to be gaining some recognition of their own from all of this. Hopefully not the kind that seems prevalent with them yet, the hour is still early.
I would only quibble a little and say the the truth belongs…everywhere. And I sincerely hope that MUFON and its members will jump at the opportunity to determine for themselves if indeed it has landed in their living room too.
Indeed… And I hope to eventually be amongst them in this regard too. Though it seems the Minnesota MUFON ‘folk’ might not be as open minded about the truth as Jan.
How do I know though, without trying to interact with them. We do have a common bond in that we are supposedly looking for the truth(Billy Meier) within the subject of et/ufo’s.
Egg-zactly.