There is barely any professional astrologer around the world who has the required information in order to reckon the character of any individual, or the outcome of any happening, or even to predict the future, etc. As a matter of fact the information and the basic knowledge respectively, that the astrologers always referring to, in terms of their calculations, etc., aren’t reliable anymore, because these information are based on star constellations that were observable from Earth around 2,000 years ago. But in the meantime the position of Earth has changed profoundly, hence the observable constellations have changed significantly as well, which means, that nowadays the basic knowledge of astrology is antiquated and therefore no longer accurate at all. As a result of this fact unfortunately all astrological calculations that are based on the antiquated information aren’t accurate and reliable these days as well.
With regard to the stars and its constellations, there is no astrological influence or impact to human beings, that control or even dictate either the thoughts, the feelings and deeds or even the destiny of any human being. Astrology is basically the teaching of the central sun – which is located in the very centre of our galaxy – and its galactic radiation and waves, which have an “influential” range as far as the edge of our galaxy and even beyond it, which means that the central sun sends its radiations and waves through the galaxy. And depending on the position of any solar system, and of its particular sun and planets, these radiations and waves are not only deflected or diffracted by the positions of any sun and its planets but are also mingled with the individual radiations and waves of the sun and each planet. Furthermore there is also an amalgamation with the cosmic radiation that eventually leads to a mixture of the radiations and waves of the central sun, the particular solar systems with their suns, planets and moons as well as the cosmic radiation itself. And depending on how the positions of the suns and their planets and moons of any solar system precisely are, this mixture of radiations and waves differ – as the result of the different deflections, diffractions and compounds – not only in its strength but in its consistency as well.
Well, this mixture of radiations and waves is constantly being absorbed by any living form. And regarding Earth and its living forms it is also being absorbed by any human being, but always in a neutral way, which means that this mixture of radiations and waves doesn’t affect any single human being in a controlling or even compulsory way. These radiations and waves only have a kind of “moving on” effect and a kind of a slight “animation” effect respectively on any living form and thus on any human being as well. Due to fact that these mixture of radiations and waves are disseminated around and through the entire galaxy and are absorbed by all living forms in a neutral and unconstrained way, it is therefore up to any living form, whether it wants to use the effect of the these radiations and waves either positively or negatively, hence these radiations and waves don’t affect the free will of any human being at all.
Based on the law of cause and effect, it’s always based on the responsibility of one’s own thoughts and feelings, as THE cause, whether any human being is happy or unhappy, and therefore it’s always the cause of their own thoughts, feelings, deeds and behaviour that form their own destiny in a good or bad way. Hence there are no natural influences in the entire universe that could force any healthy human being to anything that he or she doesn’t want to. It’s always lying in one’s own thoughts and feelings that determine, whether a human being either deals with influences positively, hence he or she can use them for his or her own benefit, or whether he or she lets any kind of influences affect him or her negatively. According to this fact there is no astrological power at all, that determines the destiny of humankind, and whether or not any human being is happy, wins in lotto, has a good relationship to his or her relatives, or whether there are good or bad happenings in his or her life, etc.
It’s always the sole responsibility of any human being and of his or her own thoughts, feelings, deeds, attitudes and behaviour that determine the destiny of life, and whether or not any human being is happy, copes with any problems in a positive and constructive way and keeps walking on the right path of life. The preconditions of any behaviour patterns of the personality and its character of any human being are based on genetic origins, as well as on good or ill-breeding by parents or legal guardians, as well as by a good and honest self-discipline and “self-education” respectively. Hence every human being is the smith of his or her own destiny and fortune. Of course there is a kind of “destiny”, in the form of many influences, given by the environment, which affects any human being, but it’s always relying on one’s own responsibility and on one’s own thoughts and feelings, whether any human being copes with and utilizes this “external” destiny negatively or positively.
From Billy Meier, August 2014, translated by Patric Chenaux
big thanks to Patric & Michael for passing that along .. however, if such words are actually heeded, that’s gonna create more unemployment
The truth will set us free but, as they say, it’s probably gonna piss us off first.
That is true.
I would much rather be pissed off than pissed on.
Unless you are into that kinda stuff;-●
Tell me Michael, if my heart stops beating am I dead?
Well I hope that I don’t have to be the one who finds out. However, if you’re telling me that your heart has stopped beating, and you’re still able to ask questions, let’s forget everything else we’re doing and go on the lecture circuit!
Usually it’s beating, but when I sleep I think I go into hibernation mode or something. . . . once I woke up quite cold and numb. I’m scared to let anyone see me sleeping just in case. . . .
I suggest waiting a couple more months, depending on where you live, before going into hibernation mode.
Amen to that!
Michael so essentially this piece is not exactly vindicating Tony Vaquez but rather its damning of his methods and what he claims he can do with his own unique astrology.
Hey but thats not the initial point of the article was it but to teach people ‘self responsibility’ and that because people have a ‘freewill’ and the power to choose according to ‘volition’ and ‘self determination’, one is therefore the smith of one’s own destiny and fate through one’s own freewilled choices one makes in each given moment in time about what and how they’ll choose to think, feel and action.
It didn’t take a whiff of cosmic dust nor oscillating wave frequency of higher vibrational kind from the galactic central sun for my head to focus of thinking about this article and then getting my index finger to punch in the make believe electronic keyboard of my smartphone to write a response back hence no astro bio zio neo nano oh no why now by now dino can do logy needed over my thoughts feelings and action for these words to manifest on this forum.
But nevertheless I choose to be compassionate and understanding of other people’s plight as far as I can choose to control my own thoughts feelings and actions towards them and to listen to my intuition which tells me that I shouldn’t feel any more vindicated from this article to bite Tony Vaquez’s head off.
Each person can determine what the article means. Meier has also commented on the nature of the changes in the past 2,000 years in the constellations, etc. Perhaps Tony takes these things into consideration. It’s clear to me though that Meier reiterates that personal thoughts, feelings and actions, self-responsiblity, the might of the thoughts, etc., is what actually determines a person’s life, destiny, etc. Certainly there are influences, as we all understand, but they do not determine our lives.
I disagree, but I’m not going to repeat what I wrote in past posts regarding this subject, except to say that there is BOTH, destiny and freewill. I think at this point, it is pointless to discuss this any further.
Tony,
Billy does say there is “destiny” in this writing if one reads it carefully, in the form of many influences. In fact, he puts quotes around “external” so one can reflect on this, in my opinion.
To ignore all that has happened in Billy’s life, and what is written in the prophecies by the prophets and seers themselves is to dismiss the cue that some things are “predestined,” not necessarily in the way it is understood or discussed in these blogs, as Billy has answered in another round of questions previously.
It would be wise to accept the fact that we, as human beings, know very little of the facts concerning this subject.
Tony,
In CR10, Semjase said this with conviction:
Semjase- Nothing evades its destiny.
Even if one is to argue that BEAM may be a special case, it does leave one to ponder….
And if we simply take into account what Meier has said about each person being the smith of (the one who forges) their own destiny, then the logic is clear and complete. If we consider this definition of destiny, “the events that will necessarily happen to a particular person or thing in the future” then we can understand that they will “necessarily happen” according to the way we create/forge our lives, in accordance with the laws of cause and effect, and as we exercise and apply the might of the thoughts.
It further implies that no outside forces manipulate us into doing certain things, or taking certain paths, etc., against our own will. We may succumb to influences to the degree that we are not consciously creating and directing our own lives and directing the forces and influences.
And so Meier is not a special case in this regard either, other than to say that he is conscious of the might of the thoughts, the truth and teaches it to us in word…and by example.
Good point, Michael … but for Jmmanual to see a future “BEAM” specifically whose personality did not yet exist, as well as a host of other “events,” not even people related, doesn’t that just make you wonder a bit? 🙂
No Rob, it makes me wonder…a whole lot!
Michael,
I trust that you had gone back to reread CR10, the one that is complete, with no omission, the part after Semjase finished her exposition, line 269 in the WS version I previously referred to. It is easy to forget what is said, that is one reason why I have to go back regularly to refresh myself.
The reason I say this is I also noticed that later portions were also omitted from the futureofmankind website. It appears that someone decided to omit some interesting conversations from CR10 — the only portion (agreeably the most important) that remained is the “spirit teaching” for the general public.
“Each person is the smith of his/her own destiny.”
“Destiny in the form of external influences.”
The answer lies in how one reconciles the two. 🙂
Rob,
I’ll put that on my to do list…which is always seemingly beyond completion and still ever-growing.
I think the reconciliation is in realizing that we are always making choices, consciously or otherwise. There are also always external influences, of which we may or may not be conscious. We do our best to become ever more aware of the influences,a s we simultaneously work to expand our inner resources, awarenesses, capacities, etc., so that we are gaining experiences, succeeding wherever possible and always…learning on the process.
p.s. This could be a good time for people who don’t have that copy to get it from you. 🙂
Rob,
If you mean CR 10, I don’t know that I have anything more than what is on my site and FoM.
Sorry I wasn’t too specific. “Buy” a copy from you if they don’t have volume 1 already.
Where does one find this complete CR 10? What is the “WS version”?
Andy,
WS=Wendelle Stevens
MH can send you a copy, as I got mine from him.
Hey Ozzy, I’m glad you retired from biting the heads off of bats (kidding).
Yeah but still into Mr CrowleyDemonSheronology. 😉
You’re a total ignorant fool, babbling idiot.
Tony,
Why did you attack Matt for expressing an opinion…which wasn’t attacking you?
“but rather its damning of his methods and what he claims he can do with his own unique astrology.”
Is not attacking? He’s a babbling idiot, an extremely ignorant fool.
No, it really isn’t. He’s simply stating a perspective, or opinion, based on what Meier has said about what…you have claimed.
Be that as it may Tony, whether your unique astrology is correct, incorrect or partially correct you are still a precious and valuable human being with your own Creation given talents, gifts, attributes, qualities and characteristics which trumps and transcends whatever the value your form of astrology will bring to the table.
I hope this fact is recognised and that you are not your astrology nor your value as a human being which you have to defend as if it is.
So lighten up or be serious as you want but look around and smell the roses sunshine.
Why am I getting this weird feeling that I have been gragged back into preschool.
Did I miss a class or two?
“…own Creation given talents, gifts, attributes, qualities and characteristics…”
Mr. Lee “Creation given” is a religious statement. Creation does NOT give “gifts.” The human beings creates his/her own talents, attributes, qualities and characteristics. This happens over lifetimes as the consciousness grows in wisdom, giving the current personality what appears natural ability or “gifts.” Since the evolution is earned by the human being it is religious to say it is a gift.
Please lets get back to topic
Well it sounds better than God given.
Pick and choose as you wish but hey I appreciated that little s*** stirring gesture it makes the world go around
i enjoyed to read this – thank you for posting it.
on a night in my hometown at a homeless shelter, i was with a group of people staying there and we were outside and saw the moon being very dark and red, and it sat very low in the sky at a time of night when it should have been positioned very high. it sank quickly over the horizon and then within minutes of sighting it, we couldn’t see it anymore but also there was no sun in the sky. it was very strange to witness and was reminiscent to me of Billy’s statement that the Earth’s rotation has gotten all wonky from the mining of minerals.
What had you been drinking/smoking that evening?
Patric Chenaux,
Interesting translation.
If I read the posting correctly, it was just released recently? Please share the source.
“It would be most wise to base assumptions on facts.”
This is directly from Billy Meier, as Patric had been reading the astrology blog and told Meier about it. Patric was concerned that the information from Tony was largely incorrect. So he spoke to Meier, who authored the article just a few days ago.
All that I’m going to say, is that ALL humans can be mistaken, ALL humans can be in error, and that includes the Ps and Billy.
WEll they just…MAY have a slightly broader perspective than we do, no?
I know what I know about astrology, and destiny, from studying astronomy for 4 years in universities, and developing the correct form of astrology, and practicing it daily for 35 years.
NO ONE WILL CONVINCE ME OTHERWISE.
It may not be up to anyone to “convince” you of anything. Let time, events, etc., transpire – or not – and then draw conclusions based on those results.
Michael,
I have already been correct in many predictions. You know that. I don’t think I have to list them here again. And when I’m correct in the LA and SF quake predictions, all of the people who have harassed me, you don’t have to apologize – JUST STAY AWAY FROM ME.
Tony,
You’ve had your fair share of misses, of course.
So, what happens if your predictions for the coming quakes isn’t aren’t accurate? You have effectively put all of your eggs in those baskets. Hopefully if the quakes do hit, the eggs will have already been…hardboiled.
I don’t worry about misses, I know I will have them. I also know I will have many more hits than misses in my life. But as I have told you repeatedly, Predictive Astrology is just one branch of the great science. Read my posts in the astrology thread for a description of the many other uses (branches) of astrology. Michael, to me, you are demonstrating a closed mind, and a not thinking for yourself attitude, regarding this. Do you think the Ps and Billy are ALWAYS correct, why is the Pope’s name Francis, and not Petrus Romanus (Peter)? They clearly said IT WOULD BE PETER. Oh sure, you can always say – things changed, etc., – but ALL of us thought his name would be Peter, BECA– — — USE that is what they said. So, they were incorrect, plain and simple.
Tony,
I’m doing my best to be open minded but you do make it difficult with your silly, narcissistic kind of comments. I know that Meier and the Ps aren’t always correct. I also know that when Meier takes the time to comment on something himself, his accuracy level proves to be very high.
However, you’re…incorrect. You changed the actual quote:
“Then a Pontifex Maximus follows who will be known as Petrus Romanus.”
“Will be known as” is not the same as that his name would be Peter. And, to be fair, we don’t know if that’s correct yet. It doesn’t appear to be at the moment.
Huh?
Were we around the vicinity of your area?
Michael,
“who will be known as” certainly does mean his name. You cannot be serious making such a remark. If anything, your comments are the ones that are silly and quite illogical. You have no in depth knowledge of astrology, so, you don’t have anything of value to say about it. Why don’t you go to NASA and tell the people who are building the rocket that will travel to Mars how to build it. It’s the same thing, people who have never studied astrology, have no right to comment on it. When they do they sound SILLY and FOOLISH to me and other expert astrologers.
Tony,
If I recall correctly, there are people who attain an office who are then known by another name, title, etc., perhaps it has applied to popes, etc.
Also, it’s absolutely childish to keep saying that people don’t have a right to make comments on anything, that’s also how people learn, evolve, etc. – especially through being challenged.
Tony,
But you can’t? What track record have you provided humanity with that we can say we would take your perspective on things over Meier’s or the Plejaren? Come on man stop being so egotistical all the time. Its not wrong to be wrong, if you get what I’m saying.
You don’t have a clue.
Tony,
Since I don’t have a clue inform me so that I can compare the facts
And you also unless…………..
You could interpret “Petrus Romanus” as Roman Rock or Rock of Rome, Roman Stone. . . . Roman Stoned. . . which might even refer to the actual building itself (St. Peters). The Roman Rock. Now who would that be? All the Popes are literally Petrae Romanae. . . . . in one way or another the name would apply to them all!
Carolyn,
You may want to check what happened on February 11, 2013 at St. Peters.
We will know the truth at some point (when we look back) if there is significance of that event.
– “Patric was concerned that the information from Tony was largely incorrect.”
Go figure. 😮
Well, you and Patric are not largely incorrect, you are totally incorrect.
Patric didn’t write the article, Tony, Billy Meier did. Would you like to make specific corrections?
Since you heard it from the horse’s mouth why not tell him to his face
Glad this was all cleared up and it makes a lot of sense. No disrespect to you Tony but I don’t think I read any explanation from you as well explained as Billy just did. Billy has directly challenged your theories and gave us a clear answer that makes a lot of sense. Thanks Tony V, Patric, Michael, and Billy for this.
For now I’ll stick with the logical explanation that was given to us hear. How lucky are we to have this direct link to a master a work.
Can I ask Michael who is Patric. Billy really addressed this very well. So much so it read as though he read through the threads himself or Patric done a good job of explaining the theories of Tony V.
Patric is one of the Core Group members.
You are incorrect, they are not theories. Don’t speak about something you know nothing about. You sound foolish. Besides, you don’t keep your word, so, your opinion is of no value to me.
Hey but it may be of value to others
Your right. My apologies.
Also, another issue too…basically anyone posting here with the big anti-astrology tac. – well there is problem for them in a kind of central immediate sense, to my mind at least – because right smack positioned at the very central CORNERSONE that forms a major foundation point for the Mission itself is that whole aspect of Billy’s spirit-form being pulled into incarnation..at exactly the right time…so as to maximize his ability or potential to be the ultimate truth announcer to the New Age. And thus this therefore being a yet further ‘branch’ of astrology being directly employed/utilised – that being the form of ‘Electional’ Astrological (choosing the most appropriate Times for doing/enacting things) – and of course again for those that take the line that astrology is a backward looking religious-minded form of ‘nonsense’ as i have seen at times being posted on Michaels blog at various points or in other places…well actually this way of doing things at certain particular times makes total perfect sense and in a VERY down to earth PRACTICAL way..like for example in the main – people sleep at night time and walk around and do all their stuff in the day time. NOT the other way around. as you would be lessening your functionality by a long shot. Thus the electional astrology just really that ….but progressively more elaborate as it goes along (but basically the same principle is involved)
Sean,
Very well said, and you are exactly correct in reference to Billy’s birth.
“…because right smack positioned at the very central CORNERSONE that forms a major foundation point for the Mission itself is that whole aspect of Billy’s spirit-form being pulled into incarnation..at exactly the right time…so as to maximize his ability or potential to be the ultimate truth announcer to the New Age. And thus this therefore being a yet further ‘branch’ of astrology being directly employed/utilised – that being the form of ‘Electional’ Astrological (choosing the most appropriate Times for doing/enacting things)”
Tony,
Perhaps you and the others will also comment on what Meier said in his new article for us.
“According to this facts there is no astrological power at all, that determines the destiny of humankind, and whether or not any human being is happy, wins in lotto, has a good relationship to his or her relatives, or whether there are good or bad happenings in his or her life, etc.”
The above statement is incorrect, that’s my only comment.
Maybe that’s one of the reasons why Meier’s the prophet of the new time…and you’re not. Possible?
He may be a prophet, but he is not infallible. Or perhaps do you lift him up to a Pope-like status with infallibility?
I know this is a waste of time discussion. I’m mainly involved with it for laughs, and to see how absurd and ignorant people truly are.
So, according to you Tony, Meier is “absurd and ignorant”. In what other ways do you consider yourself to be superior to him in knowledge?
Why is it incorrect Tony?
I respect Billy very much. He knows a lot about many things, but OBVIOUSLY, he knows nothing about astrology, just like I’m sure he doesn’t know how to build a rocket that will travel to Mars.
Tony Vasquez – Professional Astrologer for hire,
You asked for Billy’s opinion of whether or not you, Tony Vasquez – Professional Astrologer for hire, do indeed practice a ‘correct’ form of astrology. First Christian responded and you twisted his words, psychopathic-like, into a positive for yourself, however you are unable to accomplish the same feat with Meier’s words, so naturally your response is – “.. OBVIOUSLY, he knows nothing about astrology” .. and … “NO ONE WILL CONVINCE ME OTHERWISE.”
So, what was the point of asking Billy in the first place since you are KING and QUEEN of the know-it-alls?
SeanG, regarding the central premise of your post, that – “right smack positioned at the very central CORNERSONE that forms a major foundation point for the Mission itself is that whole aspect of Billy’s spirit-form being pulled into incarnation..at exactly the right time…so as to maximize his ability or potential to be the ultimate truth announcer to the New Age.”
The difference being that the Plejarens supposedly are aware of and utilize a so-called ‘correct’ astrology, the factors of which were pointed out by Billy in this particular article, and that “There is barely any professional astrologer around the world who has the required information ..” to even venture so much as an informed guess.
Therefore such an assertion is rendered null and void unless there is such a professional astrologer around, and I do not see one on this blog and that is for 99.9999% certain.
hi Bruce,
Again just to say i really don’t wanna be against you guys too much…yet however the problem for someone like me – or tony or anyone else who may have spent time in the astrological terrain is that.. on an experiential level..astrology seems to be quite exact, to say the absolute very least…
just the other day a major earthquake hit at the EXACT time when two of the planets that are generally involved in this kind of occurrence were ‘inconjunct’ – (astrological technical term relating to one of the ‘aspects’)
another one..just randomly off the top of my head…Robert hand – one of the really respected ones..made quite a considerable amount of money using financial astrology for the stock exchange. (NB also too, interestingly enough..he considers ‘karmic astrology’ to be total BULL specifically because…he was not able to ‘prove it’ – or to find the experiential empirical back up data in order then to fully support or validate it. thus anyway here there may be some linking-up with billy info insofar as billy saying that concepts of karma are very erroneous in general…that instead we start with a clean slate as it were. )
From my own side of things..recently in one of the groups there were posters posting the most convoluted and wild outlandish nonsense of conspiracy theories pertaining to the disappearance of Malaysian flight..well using a simple horary chart – it was very clear that that plane was most certainly deep in the water…and not over at the garcia base as the conspiracy theory was going. i posted that in the group even giving the south-western direction well WELL before the new and accurate ‘southern arc’ came into place…thus bit ironic really that little old me was coming up with a true and exceedingly more penetrating insight into the state of affairs in the end. fancy that.
By the way – for your’s or anybody else’s information – medieval astrology …quite the more laser-like and penetrating and accurate – if it these things that take priority with yourself. by a long-shot compared to the usual stuff – that you may have given a tertiary glance over yourself thusfar at whatever point.
But anyway just three things that spring to mind…i could of course give thousands more examples…from people who know what they are doing in this area.
thus from this perspective – it is honestly (again in all earnestness) truly just very HARD to come into compliance with the P’s verdict that terrestrial astrology is so inexact. seems a little bit bewildering this one. there is just no other way to put it.
Sean,
You are certainly correct. EVERYONE that I know of that has done a serious in depth study of astrology has come away convinced of its validity and great worth. It’s only those who have never studied I,t that shoot their mouth off in an absurd fashion.
Sean, I appreciate you laying out the facts or examples, and in a logical and rational fashion. And btw, that alone is something that Mr. Tony Vasquez – Professional Astrologer for hire, never did in lieu of displaying vile negative human values galore.
So thanks for adding some experiential astrology-based knowledge, intelligence and intellectual rigor to the discussion.
Yes, Michael and others, to further Sean’s correct point, why was Billy born at a carefully chosen precise time of day, and day, if it wasn’t for astrological reasons? This is going to be good, come on, give me your best answer.
It seems to me that they simply took maxim advantage of possible INFLUENCES. Billy being born at that particular time DIDN’T guarantee that he’d become the prophet, be successful – nor certainly that he’d have an easy life with those influences. They just chose certain conditions that were still up to him to utilize and maximize through…the might of his thoughts.
That’s all incorrect. His natal chart guaranteed that he would have the destiny to succeed, of course, his freewill had to come in alignment with his destiny in order for him to have the most success… I have looked at his chart.
What we have here, mostly, are people talking about astrology, who have never studied the subject, and know nothing about it.
The Ps use astrology extensively in every area of their lives on their home planet. Why do you think that is?
The question for many of you is – Have I developed the correct form of astrology, as apposed to the terrestrial form, which is incorrect? The answer is yes, but I can only prove that to you, at this time, through readings based on correct birth times, and predictions. It’s that simple.
All of the Nay-Sayers, skeptics, and doubters can stay away. You are inconsequential. A triviality. Of no importance.
Again, this should be in today’s blog’s comments. It clearly contradicts what Meier himself has stated. In fact, logic also tells us that Meier wasn’t the only person born at that particular time. In a broader sense, there are always people born at precisely the same time in locations all over the world who don’t live the same lives. This should be obvious. Meier mentioned some of the factors that can also contribute to the personality, character, etc.
Influence isn’t destiny just as prophecy isn’t prediction
It isn’t just influences, it’s destiny at work. For example, the predicted, sure to happen, SF quake, will not be produced by influences, but rather by astrological forces, that will cause it to happen. It is being created and forced to happen, not influenced to happen. That is probably above your head, but I thought I would try peace and intelligence once with you.
Tony Vasquez – Professional Astrologer for hire:
So now the SF quake, which Billy took pictures of from a trip into the future, will be caused “by astrological forces, that will cause it to happen” and are not due to human activities degrading the inner structure of the planet nor are they due to geologic forces within the planet itself.
The webs we weave, when we practice to deceive .. ourselves and others.
Sean,
Are you an astrologer?
Hi Tony
Well I guess you might say that I have the ‘bug’ for it a bit. But also that too , maybe being sometimes part of the problem. That, to a certain extent, you have to be, from the get-go, maybe a little bit ‘wired’ for it. is like if a person has more of a musical intelligence, or maybe they have more logical intelligence, or maybe they have amazing dancing skill or good with puppetry etc. this kind of thing.– Not that any one person is better than the other of course, just different make-ups is all.. Yet however that maybe this is a contributing factor for the often-times total non appreciation for all-things astrological! Thus the, you might say – non-wiring of the person involved- factoring in. …and so from that point…i guess they just must think that it is just the weirdest thing going! ha, oh well. c’est la vie. 🙂 each to their own as they say.
It’s not weird at all. It shows a high level of intelligence, and a keen desire to know how Creation works. Take the changing of the Ages – what a great and powerful thing to contemplate. And when the Aquarian Age is fully here – 2028, astrology will have its right place as the greatest science of all.
Tony earthquakes in the majority are natural earth techtonic processes which astrological forces are secondary to.
Even the Plejares have earthquakes that the Plejaren cannot prevent.
So what has astrology have anything to do with it anynore than whether I an going to pick my nose 5 seconds from now?
Sounds like a reasonable point to contemplate Sean. Although I’m going to side with the explanation that once we have been dropped off by the stork.
“It’s always the sole responsibility of any human being and of his or her own thoughts, feelings, deeds, attitudes and behavior that determine the destiny of life, and whether or not any human being is happy, copes with any problems in a positive and constructive way and keeps walking on the right path of life” Rather than the theory that our lives are controlled by astrological influences that dictate our life and destiny.
Sean it isn’t about being anti this or anti that the simple fact is there is something to astrology which isn’t to say that there is about many of the wild claims made by Tony
I don’t make wild claims moron, it’s just that what I say is above your head by a 1000 miles.
I hesitate to suggest this might be what happened, but “what if” Billy was wandering around in the bush behind his farm on a misty late summer morning and just happened upon Sfath and his craft. . . . . Perhaps it was not quite a “mistake”, but was Sfath really looking for Billy, or did Billy happen upon him accidentally? I would be curious what the Plejaran say about it??? 1942 and the war in Europe was getting nasty. Switzerland was still neutral. What were the Plejaran doing near Zurich in 1942? And we have heard that they shared some technology with the Germans, even before the war. Just what was going on? Was Billy pulled into something unforeseeably and almost accidentally, due to his being out and about in the early hours of the morning when everybody else was asleep? The story is perhaps more interesting than we are aware of. . . . .
Assuming that it is true that they shared their Luftraumschiff-technologie with the German government even before the war started, this would have enormous significance to not only the outcome of the war in Europe, the “final solution” decision to gas Europe’s Jews, the genocidal bombing of German cities by the “Allies” and everything that transpired after the war. No wonder the Plejaran don’t want to communicate with the American government. . . . . think about it!
Billy and the P’s being here had nothing to do with the P’s preventing testing of a new weapon of mass destruction that would have destroyed the Earth within a few seconds in the 20th century. The stars made it happen, eh? You people crack me up!
Is there a limit on how many words can be in a comment? – i had posted one preceding that one (an important one i think..for people to knock it around)…but it didn’t seem to go through at all?
Not ordinarily, though it could depend on just…how long it is. Nothing was rejoiced on this end.
ok gonna try again with this…
Hey guys, ok gosh , astrology coming up a lot on these blogs of late…feel compelled to post something now at this point..as in spite of being aware of Billy’s unprecedented Spirit Teaching, nevertheless still – can’t help maintaining a lingering respect for Astrology in spite of regardless, to be completely honest on it. So in that regard a little bit stuck on middle ground, you might say, between the camps here on these threads. Obviously self-determination (and self-responsibility) is important, yet to my way of thinking there are too many benefits, most especially in relation to the issue of learning. I.e. pinning down exactly what those lessons we are supposed to be learning as life is unfolding on the daily basis. Thus Astrology more from the perspective of the Evolution of Consciousness as opposed to mere ‘prediction’ parlor trick that maybe posters here seem to maybe have it more pigeon-holed into.
In any case, just a few things…
Michael, as i understand it myself, just have to pick up on this, regarding the precession of the equinox. i remember reading that too in the CN, but honestly i was surprised that Quetzel seemed to be a stickler on this one …it seems to betray a lack of true understanding of the Western branch of (Tropical) Astrology, could be that the P’s themselves use something more along the lines of the Vedic system – which would be more of a fixed star set-up…But anyway..Astrologers are well aware of Precession – but it poses no problem for the Tropical system….
The signs were originally identified with the imagery of the constellations that lay behind them on the Celestial sphere. However it is important to distinguish the 12 equal signs (functions of the Earth-Sun orbital cycle) from the irregularly-sized fixed star constellations from which these names and symbolisms are derived. The signs have the same names as the constellations, but they are not the same. The signs get their meaning from their place on the yearly cycle of the Earth, not from the shape or position of the stars in the sky.
Please reread Meier’s article again. Notice what he said about the differences between now and 2,000 years ago. Also, since the Plejaren are well aware of all the planets in our system, etc., I doubt that they’d use anything like Vedic astrology.
Remember, Meier too said that there are influences…but he’s absolutely firm in stating that each human being is the “smith of their own destiny”, through the might of their thoughts, their feelings, actions, decisions, choices, etc. I don’t know why this isn’t yet clear and/or understood. We have to get past this version of “the Devil made me do it” and recognize that complete, total self-responsibility is what the spiritual teaching clearly and plainly states…not that we are ANY kinds of pawns in a celestial chess game.
i tentatively say that i have felt some pulling power from the new time, in my own life. like a pulling force, compelling me to interpret the world around me in a different wise.
but it is i think only correct to be in acknowledgement of this force, and it does not ensure it will become like losing control of the smithing of the life.
am i misunderstood, that this acknowledgement would only count as a “negative inclusion” in the thoughts…?
I don’t understand/see a “negative” here. There are forces, energies, impulses and, as we may notice, people respond to them in all sorts of ways.
Ditto Michael. I agree. People really make the all too common mistake of taking our lack of knowledge in many many areas (for which correct astrology is entirely dependent on) to the extremes coming up with, as has been mentioned before, a 4% success rate in accuracy. Maybe it reflects merely that we know about 4% or less about our own solar system, neighboring stars and galaxy(s). Hell, our scientists don’t even know how big our galaxy is!! They are off by a few dozen light years are they not?? And they don’t even know about our twin star for crying out loud!
So I think it’s safe to say, and regardless of the great astrological clock of the pyramids of egypt and so forth, we still have extremely miniscule understanding of our surroundings. Heck, there are still 10 to 12 million undiscovered species in our oceans alone. We don’t even need a telescope to find them!
The might of the thoughts is where its at. Being vaguely aware of astrology (which is all we can possibly be on this planet with our current understanding) can sometimes help but holy cow is it ever riddled with mistakes!! Yowser… But I can see why people find it so appealing. In a world as religious as ours… Putting their power outside of themselves YET AGAIN. Giving it up to something outside of their own power. Just like religion causes people to do.
Daniel,
You’re extremely correct when you said “In a world as religious as ours… Putting their power outside of themselves YET AGAIN. Giving it up to something outside of their own power. Just like religion causes people to do”.
I’m reading through the debate basically between Self Responsibility and Astrology and can’t help to think that those on the side of Astrology basically put the God concept to the side and put the Astrological concept firmly in its place. Meanwhile Meier is trying to get them to understand pure Self-Responsibility, which is not hard to understand. Some people act like they can’t cope with being their own boss if you know what I mean. The minute you decide to give up or claim that some outside force is responsible for your life its religious and that’s a fact.
You don’t understand. THERE IS BOTH DESTINY/ASTROLOGY AND FREEWILL/SELF-RESPONSIBILITY. Why do some of you think that there has to be only one or the other? Think about it. Why can’t both be real. Well, they are.
hi michael,
yes i know what is written there. but just to say again. as strange as it sounds, is actually not a problem with the Tropical (Western) system, to the best of my own knowledge at least…the link following (particularly last paragraph) might give yet further understanding of this. Maybe Tony Vasquez too can weigh in on this quite technical point. which admittedly may seem a tricky/strange one for those who may not be so well familiar in the astrological terrain. Thus That the drift or movement over the last 2000 years seems actually not to factor in as much as people would readily assume or think at the first outset on hearing it.
http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_praezession_e.htm
Also again to say, for myself at least, have to reiterate this, Astrology more as a tool for understanding things on a more deeper level, obtaining insights, in regard to the unfolding of consciousness and helping-out with inter-personal relationships etc…thus being armed with a bit more knowledge in that sense – and to then forge ahead with decision making.. so thus NOT that i would allow it to over-shadow my own sense of free-will, or sense of Steerage, but just as an aid or extra tool. So is maybe more this kind of thing generally. more on the lines of being in observance of Creation…like Billy says we must do. or anyway is my of thinking on it..for what its worth…dont wanna be too much against you and the other guys here..as i am decidedly PRO-the case of course, and to the info. etc. this to say the least , yet i view astrology as a science like any other, (and the P’s are using it themselves of course) and therefore then that it does offer benefits if utilized in the right way. In spite of the fact that i may be in a minority on it..compared to other pro-billy supporters in general. but anyway is just the way i feel about it, at this point in time still at least…whether that changes in time or not, who knows.
Everyone is free to have their say, agree, disagree, this isn’t cult. I myself have seen things in astrology that appeared to be accurate…and many, many that haven’t been.
I think Meier is making it clear that this is not a true science at this point and time on Earth. And, more importantly, that we should prioritize the development of thinking, self-responsibility, clarity, etc., so that we can realize (and enjoy) the factual reality of the might of our thoughts being far, far more of a determining factor than the various astrological influences…influences.
I suggest though placing your comments in the new blog and address Meier’s information there, also as it appears to contradict Tony’s and/or anyone else’s beliefs, understanding, etc., about astrology.
Actually, Michael, I have been contemplating an example that perhaps would illustrate along what you say in relation to astrological influences.
Taking the latest information from Billy in this post, just assume for the sake of this example that the “central sun” radiation energy is a full-spectrum energy of all life forces. And, because of the distance and the many planetary positions, the radiation itself either hits Earth directly or indirectly through deflection of the various planets (and the planets all having their own mineral compositions absorbing or deflecting specific waves), and what hits Earth at a point in time and location will subject the “receiver” (you and I) to the influences of that energy. For example, let’s assume Tony’s prediction of war due to Mars being closest to Earth (and etc., based on the astro-statistics of long past that becomes the foundational understanding of the study of astrology), perhaps it would not be that far-fetched to imagine the energy hitting the majority of people in an “uncomfortable way” similar to being pricked invisibly by tiny needles. Now, each person has different reactions to it but by and large most people would range in reaction to either being uncomfortable, intolerant, irritable, to anger, aggressive, etc. Now, further assume, as a whole most people are uninformed of this influence. They would react “without control/thinking” because this is how they would normally react. Those who do know why they “feel” the way they do, would be able to “remind themselves” and on the watch for their own thinking and behavior (awareness). This goes in line with what both Billy and Cayce’s readings has said, that free-will dominates (even under such influences, if and only if one is “aware.”) The fact is … if people are uninformed, and/or unaware, whatever free-will they have they will make decisions based on that “unawareness,” it would still fall under “free-will” but with choices that lead to undesirable consequences. This could be the underlying reason for elevated tensions globally, going back to Tony’s prediction.
I hope this make sense, and perhaps someone else can explain with a better example. 🙂
Rob,
I think that you asked before if anyone else was feeling irritable, etc. Sure, I’ve felt it recently from time to time. Was it because of Mars, etc.? It doesn’t matter. I noticed it, I noticed my moods, feelings, and made the necessary introspection, changes in thoughts,e tc., to determine HOW I would react to the influences…whatever their origin.
Tony seems to get stuck with something like this. You’re in an area outside where the rain is falling,e ver stronger. It’s getting to the point of a flood that will soon rush through where you are. TOny seems to say that there’s nothing you can do when that flood is approaching – even if you are aware of it. Billy and other reasonable people say, choose…get out of the way.
Or try to help set up flood banks, or cement yourself with plenty of supplies in like the great pyramid until the flood is over … 🙂
Yes, whatever you…choose to do.
That is TOTALLY incorrect. That is not what I’m saying at all. LISTEN CAREFULLY – for the 20th time, there is destiny and freewill, sometimes you can get out of the flood, sometimes you are destined not to, to use your example. Think of the Aquarian Age coming in as flood of cosmic rays/vibrations/forces, how many people on Earth can get out of them, NONE. Ask Billy, the Ps, all of Humanity, to stop the Ages from changing (and all of the wars, evil turmoil, religious fanaticism, etc., that is being caused by it), and see what happens, they will fail miserably.
Please pay attention. The flood of the Aquarian Age and all that it actually means in terms of influences, etc., WILL be dealt with by people on an individual level, consciously or unconsciously. OBVIOUSLY. Otherwise everyone would be affected the same way, behave the same way…such as has not ever occurred in human history. And it won’t.
One more time, the REASON for the prophecies is BECA– — — USE people have free will, they have the…might of their thoughts. HOW and WHEN they use it determines whether the flood carries them to oblivion, or safely to the shore.
Sometimes the alignments of the planets and stars can seem quite strange. In ancient times often plagues appeared when the skies were out of kilter. So although it’s not a science, there is a spooky, mysterious aspect to the alignment or arrangement of the heavenly bodies, which the ancients thought was significant. Personally I don’t subscribe to astrology, knowing that the orbits of stars and planets at a great distance to our planet most likely has no significant impact on our lives. The “mind” of the planets and stars is of course an entirely different matter. There may be stars that went ‘bad’ and have sent out negative energies which might affect people living anywhere in the universe. All the heavenly bodies are alive and ‘thinking’ if not in the ordinary human sense. Why I see a thinking active ‘mind’ in every car. . . .like they are all people in their own rights, being used by us as our servants, but perhaps thinking their own thoughts all along. . . . We should not think that we as organic beings are superior to the inorganic world of which we are a part. It existed before we did (as flesh and blood) and will most likely exist long after humans have become extinct.
And to take this a little further. Your car regards itself a little bit as you personal earth-pet and protector. If you treat it well and speak to it kindly, it will do its utmost to prevent you from being injured in an accident. It likes to be driven every day, and if you ignore it for a few days it will start pestering you to take it for a drive. It enjoys burning gasoline. However, the cars have told me that if the human that’s driving them constantly thinks negative thoughts berating other people and have evil in their hearts, the car may become suicidal and engineer an accident for you in which you will be maimed or killed. All creation is alive with thought. So, to take this even farther, a really skilled personality could possibly even talk to a light bulb and get an answer. . . . the universal intelligence will respond, but only to polite and respectful souls.
You’ve taken an interesting…drive as you have anthropomorphized the car almost as well as other philosophers did, starting with the famous Walt Disney.
THERE IS BOTH DESTINY AND FREEWILL, WHY IS THAT SO HARD FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND? The predicted SF quake, the Aquarian Age, and other PREDICTIONS are all destined, human thoughts cannot change them one iota. There are many things in life that are destined. Destiny is created by the astrological forces. Destiny is something that human thoughts cannot change. Whoever disagree with this, keep it to yourselves, you are illogical.
Tony,
Again, I think you should post this in today’s blog, authored by Billy Meier. Your comments here are fictively saying that Meier is…illogical. Of course time will tell but don’t you wish to consider that he just may know a bit more about even this subject than you do?
Billy is not an astrologer. I’m sure he doesn’t know much about astrology. According to what he has written above, I’m sure he knows nothing about it. Ask Patric to ask Billy why the Ps use it in EVERY part of their lives on ERRA. And while he’s at it, ask him what exactly does it mean that the Aquarian Age is coming in mean.
Armed with Meier’s words on the state of astrology as practiced here on earth and its ramifications or lack thereof on the destiny of the individual human, it would be too easy to drive a steak through the heart of some know-better-than-all, arrogant, boastful, respectless, modestyless, lying gas-bag of a pseudo-correct-form-would-be-astrologer, and he would deserve every splinter from that steak, and then some.
But I prefer to take the high road. doh! 😛
Go ahead and try. You will find yourself deceased.
I just woke up, alive! 😮
Yet, another of your predictions goes unfulfilled.
You meant to say “stake”, right not “steak” which is beef or pork or something like that. Stakes through the heart are usually reserved for vampires. Be a little more tolerant, Bruce. . . Tony is entitled to his opinion based on his own studies and knowledge. In all fairness, we ought not to destroy what we do not understand!
Actually Bruce may have been being kind, unless Tony’s a vegetarian, and does your “we ought not to destroy what we do not understand!” apply to viruses, etc.?
Destiny is nothing more than the causal working-out of cause and effect in time. It can be changed to some extent by our actions. Negative actions will lead to negative outcomes, positive actions to positive outcomes. The same applies to our thinking patterns.
Viruses can’t be destroyed. . . . only reduced. Most things can’t really be destroyed, IMO, only altered. .. . .
Perhaps you will start a…Jenny Craig/Weight Watchers for viruses?
Sean,
Yes, you are correct.
Lets rather focus on our own inner human potential, our own spiritual force, and defeat the ignorance that is our own human stupidity.
I myself have always been intrigued by the time travel/free will paradox. As I undrestand Billy was shown and told by Asket the exact dates and and places in his future where he will have to face major decisions and overcome major cornerstones, the loss of his arm for example. Also she told him that there was nothing that he could do about it because it was all predestined and that there was a mechanism in place that would prevent him from telling anybody about certain future events. There is much talk about the ” Butterfly Effect” and the consequences of one small action that could in theory alter the course of history but what if Billy had done something diffrently by his own will like refusing to go back and visit Jimmanuel, or not having a talk with the french alchemist? Would it have altered history? The Plejaren say that no one can alter history because it would be a contradiction to the Creational laws but how can one know one’s future with certainty and have free will aswell? Ofcourse it may well be that Billy and others around him predestinded themselves (or their spirit forms) to engage in the mission by their free will some thousands or more years ago but that doesn’t change the fact that a fixed future and free will don’t shake hands too often (or do they?) Take for instance the “grandfather paradox”
If one builds a time machine and kills one’s own grandfather before his parents were born then would he dissapear from the timeline and if so who then killed the grandfather?. I read somewhere that time is like a river, you may throw stones at it and they would ripple but they wouldn’t change the course of the river. Anyway these are my two cents.
One thing is that we can’t go back and kill anyone, etc.
What if somebody built a time machine and actually convinced hitler to commit suicide? hehehe I’m just kidding.
Was always that annoying outsider kid asking the pesky questions at sunday school. 😉 Making smart a** comments because the dumb a** comments were all taken up. Gotta fill those holes that the swiss cheese of philosophy called religion leaves open.
Hitler did commit suicide. . . .
I’m mulling about the possibility of people from the future incarnating in our present time, and how that would work. Could one live in two different times at the same time? Say I was someone in particular a thousand years into the future. . . Could I send myself back to this time and be a person now, while having been someone else somewhere else at this particular time? Things get a bit wobbly if you start to consider the implications. Was Quetzal in Peru two thousand years ago? They had a god they called Quetzal-Coatl. . . was he our Quetzal from the future visiting earth in the past? Only the Plejaran know, and I’ll be they’re not telling anyone. . . .
The good news is that you actually don’t have to send yourself here to be a person cause it’s kinda like you’re…already here now and apparently a real person. That was easy, right?
You are soooo right, Michael! And you are a real person too! Psych 101. . . Passed!
Whew, thanks Carolyn!
To, Tony Vasquez – Professional Astrologer.
Is it possible that the results you get from your practice of astrology may be a form of remote viewing and certain impulses entering your consciousness but you don’t recognize it as such?
When the wisest and most knowledgeable human being in the entire universe (when it comes to the Spiritual Teaching) explains something in regards to it I’m positive it’s correct. Not simply by blindly following and agreeing but by using my own logic and reason, thoughts and feelings, to come to an understanding and gain cognitions. Of course he makes mistakes, he is a human being.
Billy Eduard Albert Meier,the True Universal Prophet, I’m sure knows and understands that everything he writes will be scrutinized and nit picked at for centuries and millennia after his death with all sorts of human beings looking for errors and any reason that pronounce him wrong. So that they can justify their own ununderstanding and opinions. Therefore I’m certain that he would not write or publish anything unless he knew with absolute certainty that it was correct and the Truth.
Salome
Scott Reed
Scott R,
It would be unwise to assume Billy does not make mistakes, or is not capable for obfuscating some of the truth (knowingly or unknowingly) for the benefit of self-discovery (self-evolution) outside of the spirit-teaching materials themselves.
This is the only remark I would make on this post — I’m saying this in advance of anyone finding what I say objectionable.
I don’t find it objectionable Rob it just logically doesn’t make sense at all. If Meier would change anything for his own purpose then why are you listening to him or reading his information if you suspect him of changing it to suit him and it not being the unaltered Truth? Sometimes we have to think before we type.
I could have been clearer.
Here is the replacement for the first sentence: “… for the benefit of [humanity’s] self-discovery (self-evolution) …” That should help to clarify.
The other part of your second sentence is best answered by the teaching — don’t live by belief alone. If we are to assume he makes mistakes (like everyone seems to know), then it would be unwise to take his word at face value “all the time.”
Lastly, Tony V did make an important point: Billy doesn’t know everything. The truth is “No one knows everything.” Billy does his best trying to communicate to us what he knows to be true, and I am grateful for that.
One thing that has remained consistent over all of the years is that neither the Plejaren nor Meier ever say they “believe” something to be true or not.
Let’s also remember that Meier is quick to say…”I don’t know” when he doesn’t. Let’s also note that he took the time not to offer conjecture and, of course, i this was something he didn’t know anything about – as Tony arrogantly assumes – he wouldn’t have taken the time to deliberately craft and present the information.
Also notice that Tony hasn’t stated that Meier’s description of the nature of the cosmos and how the influences work is incorrect. He certainly hasn’t stated any particulars/specifics. I have the sense that if Meier spoke to Tony from his own actual place of authority the way Tony speaks with people who disagree with him here…it would be harsh in the extreme.
Rob,
Yes, “Billy doesn’t know everything.” And Michael, doesn’t know everything. No one does. But, I certainly know that the statements they are making about astrology are incorrect. What they should do is study the subject, but I’m sure they never will.
So they, meaning also Billy, should “study the subject”. Tony, people also have enough free will to…set themselves up for their own mighty falls through narcissistic behavior, over inflated claims, etc., etc.
It does seem that you are deficient in another kind of understanding – common sense – such as would afford one the realization that their own perceptions and opinions may just not be the ultimate word on…anything.
Michael,
You are really showing your stupidity today, attacking me, saying untruths about me, and calling me names. But that’s ok you can’t harm me at all. I know what I know is the truth from EXPERIENCE. You can believe whatever, Billy can believe whatever, I know what I know is the truth.
I told you this discussion would go no where. Anyone who thinks that destiny can be changed with human thought power is mistaken, incorrect, and delusional. And I do mean ANYONE. Also, most of the people on this blog, not all, but most, are too stupid to understand the great science of astrology, and how to use it correctly. As I said, I’m mostly here for the laughs. People like Bruce should go shoot themselves, or at least keep their mouths shut, they are VERY STUPID.
Tony,
I am not attacking you. I am pointing out the huge excesses in your expression that make you come off as desperate and not truly secure in what your abilities may be…and certainly not open to the possibility that you are not unique in all of human history as the one person who’s absolutely flawless in his knowledge and abilities, etc. I don’t know if you grasp that numerous peole have been trying to point out some of your excesses for some time and all you do is attack them for doing so.
So you continue you on with informing us that Meier himself is “mistaken, incorrect, and delusional…stupid, etc.” Honestly, are you so completely lacking in self-reflection that you don’t consider, that you don’t question your own hubris? Can you think of ANYONE else in ANY field who parades themselves like that…and who doesn’t ultimately experience a huge fall?
Michael,
Look, I don’t need this blog, nor anyone connected to it. If you, or anyone else, bans me from it, it won’t mean a thing to me. I’m here to share, but I will not allow stupidity to stand, either against me, or in general. I do appreciate very much the information that the Ps and Billy have brought forth. But, if I think that they are incorrect about something, then I will say that.
At this point, 90% of the people on this blog should not write to me, they have nothing interesting to say to me.
I do appreciate intelligent comments like those of Sean.
These fools on this blog that attack me are so stupid it makes me laugh hard. I have many good laughs every day from this blog.
And which fall are you talking about? I’m not falling any where. I have fallen in love recently, but that’s a different story. We’ll see who is correct in the future. It may be 20 or 30 years from now, but I’m sure I will be validated.
Tony,
It’s one thing to think and say that others are incorrect. It’s another to ceaselessly demean and attack people because they disagree with you. In my last comment, responding to Matt, I requested no more personal attacks because of such disagreements. I asked that people chill out on that.
And so you come here and…start right in again. Of course you said that you don’t need the blog, anyone connected to it, and being banned from it won’t mean a thing to you.
Well it won’t mean a thing to me to get rid of someone who’s so unbelievably arrogant and disdaining of his fellows, who calls everyone, including Meier, stupid, ignorant, etc. Guess what. You don’t have a platform here any more for your narcissistic, megalomaniacal, self-deluded behavior. You’ve taken all the rope and then some to hang yourself on your own arrogance. It’s unfortunate that you’re absolutely so unrepentantly, persistently, resistantly, deliberately…unconscious.
You were given a platform and you tried to use it to rain down abuse, insults and contempt on people. Yes, other people may have insulted you but certainly you’ve shown no skills at human understanding, patience, reconciliation, etc. So we’re moving on…without you.
Bye.
Rob,
I remember reading somewhere Billy/P’s said if they don’t know something they will make it known that they do not know. So I’m sure if he takes the time out to speak on something he must have some knowledge of what he’s talking about. You guys refuse to use logic in your thinking and it shows badly on this blog in simple conversation such as this.
MH,
Thank goodness. I was trying to understand Tony V, but how can you talk to someone that goes off on everyone that disagrees with his views and praises everyone that hails him up.
He’s the only person on here calling others stupid, telling them to kill themselves, etc. all over disagreements. If you asked me he banned himself from this blog.
I’ll also mention that he attempted to post two more comments, attacking me, my daughter (who had rejected his personal interest in her a couple of years ago) and wishing…death and destruction to everyone here. Obviously I chose to not post anything else from him. Yes, he effectively banned himself. At some later point we’ll see how well he did with his predictions, for what it’s worth.
I think that what we were witnessing and being on the receiving end of from Tony was a form of Gewalt.
J Smith,
Logic and information go together. If information and data is synonymous, then more information one has, even if the information cannot be validated as fact by itself, the closer to truth logic can bring one to.
For example, someone like Dyson has lots of information and facts, for example, and is in a better position to derive conclusions than someone who has less on the some topics.
When “teaching”/sharing advanced topics, wise ones often withhold sharing that “advanced” information from whom the information may be inappropriate, or apt to be taken incorrectly, or worse, become dangerous to the under informed.
The above is something I noticed through studies and observations.
That is all I have to comment for now.
Good point Scott
Michael I think the situation has become untenable.
Its acute to the extreme and something must give otherwise we are prolonging the agony of delusion at the expense of the truth.
Just as Billy in no uncertain terms unequivocally called Matthew_deagle crazy and him being barred from posting at FIGU forum by moderators I am afraid the mountain of delusional claims made by Tony must be treated accordingly lest it really does damage and discredits the truth even more.
What do you think?
Matt,
We have agreed to give tTony a platform to present this information and he has. The predictions have an expiration date on them, so certain issues should be settled, one way or another, by the end of the year, some maybe before then.
I think what we should have here in terms of the issue about astrology is a reasonable discussion, devoid of anyone calling anyone else names. If no one retorts it, no one feels compelled to respond, continue, etc. I think at this time the criticisms have been made and, apart from unnecessary ad hominem attacks, we see that Tony has effectively made certain claims, people have disagreed, agreed, offered countering opinions, challenges, etc.
So let’s chill out on that account. Meier has provided information here that can also be discussed, questioned, etc. And I will be introducing new topics, as the participants can too. I’ll reserve the right to choose but I certainly want thought provoking, mentally stimulating content and matter to focus on.
How’s that?
Well the decision is yours of course and we all try to take the high road and to be fair as possible.
Tony is indeed a character people will not forget in a hurry and there is always a positive somewhere to his actions and his participation here that I hope continues
You are incorrect, and that’s putting it politely.
Rob, reread my post I stated of course he makes mistakes he is a human being. Then reread it again with open eyes.
Salome
Scott Reed
Scott R,
I did read you post correctly. You did state you make mistakes in the first paragraph.
In your second paragraph you negated the first one by what is said, particularly the last sentence. Since neither can be true at the same time in what was written by Billy and translated in this post, one is more inclined to believe the most recent point as the point you want to make.
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Dear Mr. Horn,
This is the best blog entry on this board so far; this is what I’m looking for when I visit a Billy Meier site. I don’t mind hearing about our breakdown as a planet and all the threats to be informed, but let’s balance this whole UFOCI honey badger war, environmental destruction, and WWIII terror alerts, against uplifting and enlightening articles like this one. I’m sure Mr. Horn can write uplifting and inspiring blog entries that show that the Meier case is not all about prophecies and bad news.
Thank you again for such an awesome blog entry. This was the cherry on the cake of my day:)
UFOnthony,
I’m glad you’re enjoin this one. I think I mentioned it very briefly last week that there was also going to be more focus on the spiritual teaching.
It’s mot that I won’t update on the goings on in the world, progress with MUFON, etc., it’s just that a certain effort has been made in number of places to inform those who don’t know and who will listen. However, I agree with you, Bruce and others who want us to focus on the spiritual teaching, etc.
In the next couple of days I’ll get the ball rolling more on that. I do want this blog to get as much participation around this particular, rather contentious topic.
Many thanks. I am now more excited about this blog and look forward to participating. Thanks again!
The check’s in the mail.
Why do you always have to be a smart a$$ with me?
Hey, I’m just grateful you let me comment here!
It was actually a play on words, see: http://www.arms-armor.com/en/famous-battles
If it isn’t figured out…I will reveal it.
Hi Michael, I just read your blog on Astrology. I remember reading years ago when I first heard of Billy and the Plejarens before I had a computer that the people from Erra would like us all to think positive thoughts. Negative thoughts on Erra hurt their thought processes. If you are thinking negative thoughts on Erra, they through you ou of of the planet Erra. This is one of the very reasons why I fell in love with there dpiritual teachings and their ideaology of positive thinking. When I first heard of the people from Erra back in 1998 in a big book titled Sightings there was a beautiful paragraph that stated “The people of Earth must learn to become more spiritual, learn the arts let`s the Earth fall full fast into war and destructions. Theses are n ot the exact words but I have the book somewhere. If and when I find it I`ll refraze the entire paragraph for you if you would like but that is how I first learned of Billy and the Pejarens.
Hi Terry,
I’m not familiar with that book or any connection to the Meier case. Do let us know when you find it.
As for negative thoughts, we all have them, including the Plejaren. They are just much more skilled at balancing the positive and the negative, in neutral-positive thinking, etc. I don’t think they throw anyone off the planet for having a negative thought though.
I have often thought that the earth might have been a “containment” planet for people who got out of line in the more civilized worlds. . . . something like a penal colony supervised by the parent planet. Here are all the people who were misbehaving somewhere else. Here they were dropped and left to fend for themselves. The outcome is the relative chaos that we see now. Maybe wasn’t such a good idea after all. . . . I wonder what’s going on with the Giza group. . . . . . .
This is the original Tupperware planet.
Rob, I stated of course He makes mistakes He is a human being.
I didn’t state in my post that I make mistakes. Of course I do and I will make many more on the way of my consciousness evolution. I have to try and be greatful and pleased when someone points out my mistakes and not take it personal. I appreciate your concern.
Thank You,
Scott Reed
Scotts,
Thanks for pointing out my typo. I mean “You did state he [Billy] makes mistakes in the first paragraph.”
So I rest my case . This is what it turns into with cov trolls . Genius the celestial mishaps shows it’s improbable with these alterations . Eat pie 3.14….. It’s an unpeefect calc ! You I love. 3 14 in code . Love the obvious truth . But still love u man Tony ! I’m open to your teachings .
Hi MH,
I thought this would be a controversial thread when I saw the heading! Do thank Billy for his efforts in putting this out!
btw, can I be this Blog’s resident Professional Numerologist? I know nothing about it but I’m willing to give it a go! 🙂
Numerology, oldmerology…we don”t have enough headaches? Okay, let’s have one more!
I assign myself the number 17. That’s mine, nobody else can have it!