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Billy Meier: Regarding Terrestrial Astrology

There is barely any professional astrologer around the world who has the required information in order to reckon the character of any individual, or the outcome of any happening, or even to predict the future, etc. As a matter of fact the information and the basic knowledge respectively, that the astrologers always referring to, in terms of their calculations, etc., aren’t reliable anymore, because these information are based on star constellations that were observable from Earth around 2,000 years ago. But in the meantime the position of Earth has changed profoundly, hence the observable constellations have changed significantly as well, which means, that nowadays the basic knowledge of astrology is antiquated and therefore no longer accurate at all. As a result of this fact unfortunately all astrological calculations that are based on the antiquated information aren’t accurate and reliable these days as well.

With regard to the stars and its constellations, there is no astrological influence or impact to human beings, that control or even dictate either the thoughts, the feelings and deeds or even the destiny of any human being. Astrology is basically the teaching of the central sun – which is located in the very centre of our galaxy – and its galactic radiation and waves, which have an “influential” range as far as the edge of our galaxy and even beyond it, which means that the central sun sends its radiations and waves through the galaxy. And depending on the position of any solar system, and of its particular sun and planets, these radiations and waves are not only deflected or diffracted by the positions of any sun and its planets but are also mingled with the individual radiations and waves of the sun and each planet. Furthermore there is also an amalgamation with the cosmic radiation that eventually leads to a mixture of the radiations and waves of the central sun, the particular solar systems with their suns, planets and moons as well as the cosmic radiation itself. And depending on how the positions of the suns and their planets and moons of any solar system precisely are, this mixture of radiations and waves differ – as the result of the different deflections, diffractions and compounds – not only in its strength but in its consistency as well.

Well, this mixture of radiations and waves is constantly being absorbed by any living form. And regarding Earth and its living forms it is also being absorbed by any human being, but always in a neutral way, which means that this mixture of radiations and waves doesn’t affect any single human being in a controlling or even compulsory way. These radiations and waves only have a kind of “moving on” effect and a kind of a slight “animation” effect respectively on any living form and thus on any human being as well. Due to fact that these mixture of radiations and waves are disseminated around and through the entire galaxy and are absorbed by all living forms in a neutral and unconstrained way, it is therefore up to any living form, whether it wants to use the effect of the these radiations and waves either positively or negatively, hence these radiations and waves don’t affect the free will of any human being at all.

Based on the law of cause and effect, it’s always based on the responsibility of one’s own thoughts and feelings, as THE cause, whether any human being is happy or unhappy, and therefore it’s always the cause of their own thoughts, feelings, deeds and behaviour that form their own destiny in a good or bad way. Hence there are no natural influences in the entire universe that could force any healthy human being to anything that he or she doesn’t want to. It’s always lying in one’s own thoughts and feelings that determine, whether a human being either deals with influences positively, hence he or she can use them for his or her own benefit, or whether he or she lets any kind of influences affect him or her negatively. According to this fact there is no astrological power at all, that determines the destiny of humankind, and whether or not any human being is happy, wins in lotto, has a good relationship to his or her relatives, or whether there are good or bad happenings in his or her life, etc.

It’s always the sole responsibility of any human being and of his or her own thoughts, feelings, deeds, attitudes and behaviour that determine the destiny of life, and whether or not any human being is happy, copes with any problems in a positive and constructive way and keeps walking on the right path of life. The preconditions of any behaviour patterns of the personality and its character of any human being are based on genetic origins, as well as on good or ill-breeding by parents or legal guardians, as well as by a good and honest self-discipline and “self-education” respectively. Hence every human being is the smith of his or her own destiny and fortune. Of course there is a kind of “destiny”, in the form of many influences, given by the environment, which affects any human being, but it’s always relying on one’s own responsibility and on one’s own thoughts and feelings, whether any human being copes with and utilizes this “external” destiny negatively or positively.

 

From Billy Meier, August 2014, translated by Patric Chenaux

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Anthony

Dear Tony Astro,

As a professional astrologer you should be thrilled with this article. This should give you many valuable clues to improving your astrology. I don’t think that the current Earth human limitations should put you “out of business” or stop you from learning the Truth from Billy Meier because it conflicts with your beliefs in astrology. Take for instance: “…in terms of their calculations, etc., aren’t reliable anymore, because these information are based on star constellations that were observable from Earth around 2,000 years ago. But in the meantime the position of Earth has changed profoundly…” So Tony, wouldn’t it make sense to find a way to compensate for the time difference? I don’t know anything about astrology because frankly I’m not interested in “fortune tellers.” I think for myself; and a healthy individual does not base their life or their client’s life on what the fortune teller told them. A healthy individual might use something like astrology on Earth to get a “ball park figure” on influences on their life; but at the end of the day they are taking all the information and making their own decisions. If you have people who “live and die” by your astrology and your astrology business, well then you being religious and spreading it. You might really bleep up a family’s lives by scaring them with faulty earthquake info into moving away and uprooting children, changing careers, etc?

But now that you have Billy’s figure of 2000 year differential; you might let your client’s know that YOUR prophecies through your astrology have a 2000 year gap in where the stars where then and where they are today, moment by moment. We learn from Billy that the Plejaren, some with their great consciousness, and by technology have the ability to know exactly the ‘time to things.’ Like the exact moment of birth. I remember Semjase talking about in a contact that the Ps record the exact time (with better clocks then Earth humans) when the crown of the head of the newborn touches the outside. So it would be prudent to give your customers a disclaimer that they should understand that the calculations are off by 2000 years AND that THEY SHOULD NEVER JUST BLINDLY FOLLOW YOUR ADVICE. Please tell your astrology customers to think for themselves but to give some considerations if any of it makes sense in their real lives.

(Let me guess? I am incorrect and wrong. I am just ignorant and stupid?)
Please dear fellow Billy Meier student/interested party, please show me where I am wrong. Please dear Tony Astro break down what is “incorrect” with this blog post! Don’t just call me “incorrect” and then just walk away. Show me.

Rob

Michael,

If I’m not mistaken, Billy has two way of “seeing the future” on his own:

* Futurevision (discussion with Jmmanual)
* Numerology

Astrology is a study that would take time to master and I don’t think it was in his path (at least for this lifetime) to do study it.

Nostradamus was an astrologer, and a seer. And, as Sean has pointed out, astrology has been proven in the past to be quite useful when properly understood and applied. I think we need to give it a rest and just wait to see how many of Tony’s predictions come true, as he has requested, and not beat a dead horse using the latest revelation from Billy.

Your point about the importance of astrology in making prophecies and predictions not mentioned by Billy stands on its own. But, numerology and astrology are linked in a large way that is not undstood. I do recall someone (Semjase?) saying that the universe can be completely described by numbers. Imagine the implications.

Bruce

Michael, you’ve showed INCREDIBLE patience towards that know-better-than-anyone astro-ash-hole … far beyond-beyond a reasonable humaneness, which is a testament to the true love you showed him.

Your words are it in a nutshell regarding him – “Real, credible, truly self-assured people – who KNOW that they don’t know everything – simply don’t behave that way.”

SeanG, who just showed up on your blog, has taken the time and effort to explain and spill more information for his fellow humans in a fellow human respectful manner, regarding astrologically, than Tony Vasquez – Professional Astrologer for hire has in the tens of thousands of words he has left on your blog over the years.

Carolyn

Tony obviously has emotional problems that are getting in the way of his intelligence. . . .

UFOnthony

Yes I agree Michael. Astrology or any other fortune telling crutch us Earth humans use, does NOT trump anything. Just so Tony does not think I am picking on him, I am guilty TOO of using tarot cards and I Ching to find clues hidden in my subconscious; but I take everything with “a grain of salt.” I never really think the cards are accurate or not, but rather the exercise is in the interpretation; the cards or the I Ching recommendation that I land on are only clues and that there is a HUGE degree of error in my limited ability to interpret the results correctly. Because here is something interesting to think about, the cards (like your opponent) are never wrong, (unlike earth astrology) because Creation unfolds as it should. Cards unfold as they should. The error comes with the human being who is usually too bloody primitive to see what is happening around him, to interpret with any degree of accuracy the “way the chips are falling” in any given circumstance. Please, I am not claiming I am right about tarot cards and I Ching being more accurate than current Earth astrology or even “never wrong.” I only open it up for discussion because it makes sense to me.

Kevin

Wow! That was an deep, honest and integral assessment UFOnthony….great job. I wish we could all be honest about ourselves as this above assessment has made…. We would be in a better place

Tyler Rutland

yes that is correct, Kevin.

whether Tony is a fraud or not, there can be still much to learn from these lessons that others here insist to brow-beat Tony with. there does not need to be such focus on Tony, in fact, and there didn’t need to be in the first place – because it has actually given rise to the whole conflict, even equally so as his own words have contributed their part to it – but in fact a little more so, collectively, because many people here ganged together during that entire conflict and fed each other aggressiveness against only 1 person (Tony) with false praise to each other and supports for the written form of aggressiveness.

Tyler Rutland

they have of course, while saying to be for peace promoting, have still flown the flag of war with their actual deeds.

Duke

Well, all I did was just ask the obvious questions to Tony Vasquez the Fessional Trologer, which of course I never got a good answer on, and he still fired all guns on the port side!

Tyler Rutland

i have thought over my words in some calmness, and the thoughts behind them, and i recognised a little bit that i was being antagonistic and egoistic myself – i am sorry to have behaved like this, to have possibly hurt somebody

Tyler Rutland

i do not know anything like as much as i like to think i know – for some reasons that still i do not know. sigh – 🙂 i suppose only time can show it, why to be a know-it-all is such a high attraction to myself, and maybe others in the process

Andy

Well. I’m not exactly proud that “my team won” — never much doubted that — but I am proud of myself for being able to hold my tongue over the last couple days! I pity him on the one hand, for the obvious reasons; but on the other hand, hard to feel to bad for the guy, given the obvious reasons.

Certainly I think you made the right choice cutting him off Michael, but heck, what am I going to do with my free time now??? Know any extremely pompous, disagreeable and unlikable palm readers we can bring on board?

A question that’s not rhetorical: Did he ever answer the question anywhere about his place of business? Does he have one? Can you confirm that Michael? Or was that among his non-reality based claims? Not real important at this point obviously, just curious…

(Perhaps one of your forthcoming spirit-teaching lessons can be on dealing with difficult people!)

Silvana De Angelis

I use tarot cards from time to time, I agree with your input. To many circumstances involved, but still I found a good degree of accuracy in the readings, I’ve never heard any insight about it from Billy, I only read about Buddha saying it is ok the use of it. And btw Exellent posting about astrology! I like reading recent translations, there’s always something new and exciting to learn from Billy.

Terry Carch

Hi Michael, Here is the paragraph that first caught my attention back in October 1998. From the big book “UFO The Complete SIGHTINGS” by Peter Brooksmith.”Their general message for mankind was that we should concentrate on the arts of peace and cultivating the life of the spirit- otherwise,Earth `was an insane society rushing headlong to [its[ own destruction”. GeIf you have the bookne Andrade mentioned in Star Wisdom about the peole from Erra who are very very spiritual and that anyone who lives on Erra MUSTALWAYS think positive thoughts otherwise you`r NOT welcomed on Erra ! If you have the book look it up,you`ll seejust what I mean about thinkpositive thouths and living in a positive and spiritual manner and way of life because the plejarens DON`T like it when you think and act in a negave manner and way!

Jakes

Tony is just trying to distract people from discovering the truth. It pretty obvious. It is so easy nowadays to pretend to be somebody else. Tony is pretending, and he is just loving the attention he is getting. Well done Tony! Job well done!
At the end of the day, your efforts are rather pointless to say the least. The mission has been fulfilled. The truth cannot be falsified like in the past, and that surely must frustrate some people.

Jakes

Also, I think people like Tony are trying to be as annoying as possible. Tony, you are diverting attention away from the important issues, and quite successfully, i should say. I can really sence your hatred towards the truth, and the people who have discovered it. You have lost, because you are creating unpeace, hatred, vengence, frustration within yourself. In a way, it is a tragedy, a tragedy you have created yourself. So, keep on fighting your pointless battle, a battle you have lost already.

Erik

nice one,atack atack
this is why we al are in so much trouble Tony the Astrologer !

Tony Tony,you learned something that’s wrong and like most people are to scared or to proud to admit this.
Nobody likes being wrong and to admit that seems to be dificult for mankind.
they just keep going or shouting or fighting to claim that they are right,and with that fool they thereselfs.
Stop this cat fight Peeps

David Scott

I have to say these have been some very interesting discussions for sure . I seemed to remember Billy talk about us entering the age of Aquarious and transitional periods and such . It seems these are more of a definition and relationship to the influences of the galaxy in a general way as it interacts with man and these times unfold or transpire. Within that read I learned of how the incarnation is one of which what was here ( on earth , Terra ) stays here . That means a spirit or soul or vibrational frequency . In doing so their seem to be many constant Influences around the Galaxy from different light spectrums through radiations and magnetic interactions and so forth . All of which can be constant but change seems inherent to the entire galaxy . So my point is you would have to know , master and understand an awful lot of information constantly changing and rolling minute to minute to actually make predicitons . In fact they could never be attributed to absolute accuracy because of the fracture of unpredictable events . Perhaps in theory every event is predictable ,but the level of awareness , knowledge and span of forthought is a cool thought because its very massive . Its like real time total awareness . I hope you can understand what I was just trying to convey , because its an interesting excercise in thought to conceptualize something so massive in scale , how it changes every microsecond and is seeming unpredictable ,but at the same time must be . So my understanding is that it exists , but no entity can possibly perform it due to the nature of the infinate complexity of everything effecting everything every moment . Lasty in the comment regarding everything never leaving the planet , I suppose it refers to spirit , souls and some calculous of energy . Because in theory light travels out of our planet , other examples surely exist . But vibrationally it seems its a core of this mystery . I wonder collectively how us terrestials are effected by the various influences on earth here (TERRA) from microwaves , frequencies and many invisible attributes of persuasion . Its a very fascinating ponderance .

David Scott

Amidst Guidos’ book ‘And still they fly” he listed the brain quotient or usage of by the populous . In hindsight it may be practicle to consider the techniques the information is afforded to us . Much of the statement by Jack Nicholas in a ‘Few good men’ by saying or asking “You want the truth? Well you cannot handle the truth!” bears some consideration. Much of this disclosure from Billy and the Plejaren is of very high intellect . And that being considered how much of the actual populous is actually able to comprehend much of it . It must be understood hundreds of years of change , heartache and development must transpire before much can be absorbed and understood . I see much of the full comprehension quite traumatizing to many . Think of some persons needing a few weeks to recover from the affirmation of a reality that was never possible for a brain to imagine . Hence Billy may promote the development of self as a main priority to start with the basics before the astrological influence can be correctly absorbed in the right way . Otherwise we have a religion component . Grandma spending her last pennies to learn of an outcome that is directly a crippling endeavor . So that being said I worry of the many ways the internet developes tactics to derail the persuit of truth . Thats why I was jokingly commenting on the gov troll remark regarding Tony . I too wish he could present his opinions and feelings with more restraint and respect for others , but conversely its exactly what operatives do to disrupt . They create a persona and aggrivate the truth . I don’t mean to rip on Tony because I’m taking a road without emotion here and factually , nationbuilding is a real occurance . Create a disaster and blame it on someone to promote an outcome . Like I said the powerful know of Billy and have used it for their own gain and ongoing dominance . When we know of overpopulation ( 9 billion strong ) we see the powerful buy the true solutions and put it in thier back pockets to promote their own cull of the population endeavuring to fabricate their own version of the future . It includes wars and starvation , manipulation of sciences and thought to an extreme degree . We have to be strong mentally to flag these maneavers and develop our own morality . That is aside from our own personal development and integration of the creational teachings . Respect goes a long way and is a cornerstone of our realization of the importance of this gift of life. But also identifying the pure evil and how it operates is a huge learing curve considering the amplitude of its evolution. Just think of the population outburst in contrast to the mechanation of society . Its a reduction on the need for humans . Their is no longer expansion only contraction society based . Its the expansion of self and the contraction of evil essentially to realize the application of the usage of our individual brain quotient .

Philip Brandel

Wondered if billy would respond to all of this…. as it has taken up so much of the discussion here. Glad that he did, and it was just as one would have suspected.
Seems as even these astrological forces are nothing more at this time than one more way to loose ones dependence on the self, within our thoughts, within ‘creation’.
It is a more important and fufilling experience to ‘see’ and understand the vibrations(swinging energy waves) of our own planets human created thoughts. Ones again we look for the answers deep within the depths of the cosmos while they sit right at the edge of our nose… and even closer:)
Ones doesnt need to stare at the stars to see the unending might that resides in our thoughts! It is obvious to me that the thoughts of our thinking has so much more potential than most allow themselves the luxury of ‘seeing’. If it wasnt for this powerful force of thought, given to all of earths consciously conscious creations, we wouldn’t even know/care what those ‘lights in the night sky’ were.
If it wasnt a futile attempt to help a fellow thinking thing see the might that they most defenetly do posses…. it can be easily pondered within the translated writtings of Billy, within the Might of The Thoughts and The Psyche.
When will the real leaders of our world step forth… It seems part of my conceptualization of love and thoughts to create that which I think, is to dream of a world run by those most capable of understanding the need to find true peace and love on our world. Someday it will be a truely beautiful place to be a thinking creature, when the woman of our world are finally in control. I can only hope it all occurs sooner, rather than later!

Bruce

I dropped Pstu a little harmless comment on a post of his “July 28, 2014
Astrology: What’s the Harm? ” referencing this post on what Meier has to say about astrology.

Needless to say, the spineless one, did not allow my comment.

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http://pseudoastro.wordpress.com/2014/07/28/astrology-whats-the-harm/#comments

It’s your lucky day Stuart!, Billy Meier (your favorite) has penned a bit on terrestrial astrology. Perhaps, you will find out why it does not work.

https://theyflyblog.com/billy-meier-terrestrial-astrology/08/11/2014

Comment by Bruce — August 12, 2014 @ 3:16 am | Reply

Paul R

When I first started noticing the ‘collective mood’ of people around me I wondered if it was a problem with perception on my part.
Why does everyone around me seem to be ‘on edge,’ irritable, or in a hurry to cause problems for others? (Was the problem in my own perception / awareness?) At other times the ‘collective mood’ seemed to be creative, positive, or just okay.
Today I accept that there is a collective experience going on around me, and my awareness of it allows me to participate in it or to choose my own experience. I don’t have to be irritable or on edge just because people around me are having that experience.
It has become easier to sense the collective mood and to observe the obvious signs of it. (Just observe the traffic, people’s body language and how they interact with each other.)
Some days it seems there’s no rhyme or reason to it. Other days it’s as simple as ‘good’ or ‘bad’ weather.
Just sharing my experience on things that can influence us.

Corey Müske

I liked how Billy iterated that based on the law of cause and effect, it is the sole responsibility of the human being his/herself to determine their destiny, not the result of outside astrological forces. I would consider Billy to be the optimum source for learning about the law of cause and effect while he is still alive. The reason for this is he was once a part of the Arahat Athersata pure spirit level, and the 6th (Jischna-Ebene) and 7th (Karanna-Ebene) sub levels of the AA are responsible for the creation of causes and effects in the material level respectively. (source: “Lehrschrift” page 103).

For those that can read German, Billy writes all about foreordinations (or chance) on page 152, and determinations/predeterminations that are brought on based on the laws of cause and effect on page 237 of “Lehrschrift”. Check it out 🙂

All I can say about professional Astrologer Tony is that hopefully Billy’s article can shed some shimmering pieces of truth to this situation, to those who were curious about Tony’s claims, and hopefully Tony can learn from this too, and can admit when he is wrong, and will think twice about some of the gullible people he profits from with his “business”. Fighting over a few scraps of English information is pointless, when there is so much information in German, collecting dust in the FIGU Switzerland shop, just waiting to be read by the English world.

David Scott

Tony , I find the Plejaran pinpoint some events and generalize others that point to a probability factor . You seen to be keyed in on the probability factor in my estimation . What appears to be taking place is that you are confident in your insight and intuition and have more familiarity with it than any of us ever can . That being said , you may want to take into consideration that distance , because when lashing out at times , you could be closing the gap of understanding . I have rationalized that what you do is possible . The extreme of it was that no evident component can predict everything considered . Its almost like looking through the windshied and saying ‘oh no!’ before impact . Now you predicted something , it was unavoidable . But my point is the further out you try to predict too many factors can take place . Now we have the Plejaran prophecy and prediction factor . Now , granted they can time travel and peek into places we stupid humans can’t . And thats where I think you get burned . Missing that ability , you risk the possibility of being a stuge if you miss a long range prediction and major factors change the projectory . If you could present that in a way of explenation while giving a proper disclosure you would probably have no resistance whatsoever . But you are a character and you do lash out a bit . And I am not saying you have not been attacked either . I want you to be a part of the conversation , and its so close , it you can just find my words here it could be a possibility . Anyone at this blog would recognize your candor if you could do so with a little grace . Hey boo boo , put on some footzie pajamas and have some hot chocolate , this is getting good . Just remember NONE of us can get through contact 251 in one read yet ! So that was my attempt at seriousness with a kick in the pants of stupid human humor 101 ;>)

Matt lee

Michael could you please post it for the sake of history and what kind of a viper we were nursing in our bossoms all this time to then consequently be bitten by it
So much for our misplaced good will and false humanitarianism
There is definitely a lesson here for us also no doubt.
Thanks

Matt lee

Ok not to worry but if you do continue to get similar threats via your email you should definitely let everyone know
Loose cannons do things most sane people usually don’t if you know what I mean
Take precaution and take care

Rob

Matt,

Not sure where you’re going with it. But I think it is best to let it rest.

SeanG

Ok now that the dust has settled on this thread…just a few things that might serve to bring some more insight into things. just a bit more focus on it all. I offer this Michael insofar that it may be of Benefit to you, if ever you are in discourse with someone like Tony Vasquez again. Also the fact that i am in the position of being aware of the Spirit Teaching, but also too having…i guess at this stage, having too more than the average foothold into astrological domains at this point..so then from that point of view maybe something more to offer on it.

And before i start – again to say that i am overall quite pretty much in Agreement with the above central thrust of the blog itself – and to the overall urging from Billy that we try to Steer things ourselves …as i will explain more so as i go on…yet however if i was to put a percentage on it..maybe around 90%

Now in respect to the other 10% – i guess principally it is the issue of what i stated in the beginning – that point about the drift over the 2000 years. (or what is more exactly deemed Precession (of the Equinoxes)) – Billy got this from Quetzal. I remember reading it in the Contact Notes…Quetzal is just Wrong here on this! Or that is to say, It simply does NOT apply or affect negatively/diminish in some way or ‘throw off’ the Western Tropical System, as it it set up organically in a different way. Rather instead more set up from the start point of the vernal equinox..which is more in line with Astronomy. It is maybe a strange thing to try to get the head around admittedly – but for the benefit of anyone who missed it…here is that link again…the one that i gave before …it might take 3-4 reads of it before it actually sinks in. Each person can have a read of that …and think for themselves if Quetzal’s point still holds true or not..using their own logic.
http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_praezession_n.htm
{And on this…the prospect of the super-advanced ET getting something wrong like this..well guess maybe to see it as a positive…in that they are not Angels, or gods of any kind..but just ultimately human beings who are indeed prone to error from time to time. just maybe from the point of view of trying to draw the positive..he must have just been on a lunch break when he was saying it..having a coffee and donut or something at the time, ok whatever}

Now moving on here – to the more important, throughout much of this thread – there seems to have been the automatic assumption (by very many!) that Astrology is tethered to the notion or concept that ALL is predetermined and that nothing can be changed or side-stepped. That astrology says that all is fixed. and there is nothing you can do about it (And too Astrology being very much principally tethered only to the fortune telling arena)..But this is not the case! this is a modern mis-notion. indeed very much demeaning to astrology. Here now i am going to direct to a good essay on the philosophy of Astrology, which explains things a bit more. Specifically at this link , section THREE.

so….at this link scroll down to part 3 Philosophy
http://www.bendykes.com/reviews/medievalhistory.pdf

Now in respect to this note…we see here the internal debate that goes on within Astrology itself, in respect to to the problem of ‘free will’…and whether there is that or not.

In regard to no. 1 – The “Ptolemaic-Aristotelian”…we find that there is indeed room for human freedom and choice. And that we do not necessarily have to be ruled by the planets/stars. And so thus …here we are falling in line with what Billy says. Great , No problem!
And indeed to add to it …you find it now and again – people with really rough charts where the odds were really stacked against them…really horrible aspects and such like…yet they struggled on!! The did not fold under! They got through and survived and using the power of the MIGHT OF THEIR OWN THOUGHTS!!! Thus here again to say…there is no deviancy from what Billy says – and that we ourselves. CAN and MUST surely try at least!…to be the final arbiter of our own destinies etc. (to not let the movement of the planets slay us outright, which is essentially what i would agree with or like to think at least. And anyway if it was otherwise …you may as well put the whole thing on Fast-forward for goodness sake…and get it over with …as heck,- what would be the point!

Now which brings us along nicely to Number 2. The more ‘Stoic’ approach. Which DENED conventional notions of freedom. Thus I guess it is fair to assume that Tony Vasquez may belong to this section at least in part if not in whole.
And this version of things..i would tend to not agree with or certainly hope at least that it does not apply. However with the caveat – that as one gets to be familiar with the more medieval style or technique of ‘horary’ astrology. Well , alarmingly perhaps, one could be forgiven to think that things maybe set in stone after all ..so laser like it appears to be. Yet nevertheless… {N.B in no way can most modern astrology that is perused or obtained in any way compare to Horary..as by comparison the ‘interpretations’ from the modern type tend at times to be so vastly-vague that there would certainly be enough room to fit an elephant into} here in this essay which is why I think it is a good little snippet overall. – there is a further section outlining that even in respect to horary – that there are things offered that we can act on, and so in that respect ..that there is active participation with the universe…thus, thankfully so once more, returning to the concept of Astrology being compatible with…. Freedom! Again great. A relief even.

Added to all that..in spite of feeling sometimes the pull towards Astrology from time to time..when I think about it….i think the P’s may be right on the whole to maybe deflect away interest from it…as in spite of the fact that there is indeed enormous power that is possible to be derived from it. Eventually! when you get there…a bit like learning to drive a car or an airplane.. it takes a while to get there. – and so in that time there is the possibility that you may be getting things wrong , or misconstruing things. Something that by comparison, to my mind at least, can never happen to you with the Spirit Teaching..i always say that you can never go wrong with the Spirit Teaching and think I am right in saying it.

Also I have at times observed astrologers to be just so lost in really far-gone Esotericism. To the point that they are just well …lost! In their mental gymnastics and useless perplexities pertaining to nonsense ridiculous god-like beings/divinities even. The better astrologers I have noted have tended to keep things simple, and thus using it more as a wisdom system. Using for practical learning lessons in life , for things like gardening, healing etc. or cultivating good and real interpersonal relationships and being focused deriving as much learning, in REAL TIME …from those life lessons, which is what its all about in the end – surely so. And not necessarily so bothered about what must and will be happening in future times.

So in that respect sometimes too, to be completely and fully honest – at those times when i am reading extracts from a good down to earth astrologer…sometimes i am forgetting from what info. source i am reading – particularly one fellow – often i forget whether i am in one of the billy meier groups or if i am in his astrology section – as he is very concerned with the Evolution of Consciousness…pertaining to the evolving of Creation even….again there is a link up with billy info there – as billy says that the Creation itself is evolving. (and the Astrologer himself is always using that word…Creation) – and so anyway from that point of view, on his page at least, from the point of view of a ‘wisdom system’…his brand of Astrology is maybe not a million miles away from the spirit teaching after all, as much as some people posting on this thread might be somewhat aghast at that revelation (lol, sil or whatever the new one that is in vogue these days, haha funny one you come up with there michael) ….but anyway , yeah – truthfully this at times is an honest to goodness thing i have felt…on the facebook or whatever…for sure.

ok that about covers it for now..as i said just a couple of things that might be worth bringing in…or that it might of benefit, in the general scheme. Salome to you Michael. Great with the new Breakthrough on the Mufon front. Very good news indeed.

Ok cheers.

Rob

Hi Sean,

Thank you for sharing your thoughts on this, since I am not qualified to comment on a passing interest.

It was informative and confirms many of the things I already know.

I think that slow re-reading of each sentence with complete neutrality of this article by Billy will help shed some additional points for consideration.

Also, some may find it interesting that many of Cayce’s readings spoke of the role and influence of the planets in our solar system, which correlates to a lot of the traditional knowledge of astrology.

Bruce

Sean G,
You wrote: “Now moving on here – to the more important, throughout much of this thread – there seems to have been the automatic assumption (by very many!) that Astrology is tethered to the notion or concept that ALL is predetermined and that nothing can be changed or side-stepped.”

That was not the automatic assumption here, that was what Tony Vasquez – Professional Astrologer for hire, was putting forth in no uncertain terms, if one practiced a correct from of astrology, as he, of course, asserted he indeed did. And so naturally, and with good reason, as even you have pointed out, that is woefully incorrect.

The only reason astrology has even occupied so much time & space on this, Michael’s blog, is because of that psychopathic-sociopathic human who never brought forth an ounce of logical and rational explanation, as you just have, regarding the science of the effect of heavenly masses on living forms. If one even questioned his conclusions, predictions, prophecies, alleged track record, he would smite them as one of the evil biblical gods.

Phil Maple

“The only reason astrology has even occupied so much time & space on this, Michael’s blog, is because of that psychopathic-sociopathic human …..”

That’s a bit harsh calling him that isn’t it??

Phil Maple

MH, with all due respect I think we are talking about two different things.

I think just because Tony is often wild with his name calling of people doesn’t mean it is ok or right for others to stoop down to that level.

btw, I’m no angel and regrettably have sometimes resorted to name calling people myself.

Rob

Michael,

You mentioned a point that has been on my mind … about “harshness.”

More than once I’ve heard this referenced by people who have studied the BEAM material with a fair amount of depth, so I think may be I need to look into this further.

There is a difference between being harsh about situations, organizations, and rendering direct personal judgments. In other words, I don’t recall reading anything from Billy that is carried at a personal level against someone who he was directly interacting with at that moment. I understand that my experience with the Meier material remains low compared with others like Dyson on this blog, but (anyone) please do share where that has actually happened so I can read for myself how Billy handles interpersonal relationships with name-calling, and/or judgement-passing using harsh language directed at the person he was communicating to.

Realize that I am not saying I am pro-anyside. I see that there is an escalation factor that lead to what happened (plain-as-day), and in a small way it reminded me of the Gaza conflict — helpless but not hopeless by me personally. I do see that you have been more than patient with him (plain-as-day).

Anyway, this might be interesting:

Thought –> Words –> Action –> Habit –> Character
Thought –> Words (cordial > diplomatic > harsh > name-calling > profane) –> Action (violence) — … …

It’s just my own interpretation — many variations of that exists.

Salome.

p.s. Phil has a good point that deserves reflecting.

Rob

Michael,

The cases you referenced I am aware of. None of who we was interacting with directly at the time. He was speaking from a “past referential” point of view, which does not have the ability to escalate the interaction directly, like what happened here. Also, one might be tempted to see it as “talking behind someone’s back” but the truth is he made it public so it wasn’t that either. By the book, from his perspective, it wasn’t wrong to say anything of the things he said. It was truth as he saw it, regardless of whether he took into consideration of personal short-comings of those he spoke of (a handle of names come to mind).

Regardless of our own ability to assess another’s character, and Bruce seems astute of that, my view is that we should keep all that to ourselves and try to steer the situation back to “peaceful resolution” and not “fuel the fire,” which you did try to do many times, by the way.

Rob

SeanG,

Forgot to mention that the last paragraph of page 5 in section 3 (Philosophy) was specifically applicable to the discussion here Since my cut-and-paste doesn’t work on that document for some reason I am making specific mention to the passage to anyone interested.

Charles Ware

Michael.

This is Charles, I’m one of Tony Vasquez’s astrology students and clients. I wrote a comment on this blog a couple of months ago. Over the last few days I have read the exchange of comments between Tony and some of the people on this blog. I would like to say a few things in defense of Tony.

1. I have known Tony for many years, and I know for certain that what he teaches, and the astrology that he practices, is correct. I have much proof of that. I read what Billy wrote above, and much of it is incorrect when it come to Tony. Tony knows and teaches all of the astronomy that Billy mentioned. Also, I agree with everything that Tony wrote in his posts about astrology. I have learned that Tony is very accurate in his readings, and predictions, over the years, how could this be, if he did not have the correct astrology. He couldn’t be.

2. The people that attacked Tony out of pure ignorance and hatred, like Andy, Matt, Duke, Dyson, Darcy, Bruce, and others, are disgraceful, disrespectful people, in my opinion. And they deserved Tony’s rebukes. I thought Meier’s students were supposed to be spiritual-like people. Those mentioned above certainly are not. They attacked a good knowledgeable man, who knows astrology better than anyone else in the world, in my opinion, when they know nothing about the subject. That’s plain wrong. If Tony isn’t the best astrologer in the world, he certainly is one of them.

3. All of you will see most of Tony’s predictions come true, as proof of his great talent and knowledge. I have tracked his predictions for me over the years, and he has been 95% accurate, that is, completely accurate, partially accurate, or the prediction came true at a later date than he said.

4. Tony did not ask me to write this comment. I felt that the truth should be told. All of you who attacked Tony, or are skeptical of him, are wrong, and you will be proven wrong. Honestly, I can’t believe how closed minded and hateful many of you are towards a true genius in his field. When his predictions come true, which most of them will, then maybe you will understand.

5. If Tony said some things that you didn’t like, according to what I read, you deserved it. I never saw him attack anyone first. He had the right to defend himself, when attacked, in any way that he saw fit. This might be the last comment I’ll make on this blog, the way Tony was treated here was disgraceful!

Duke

“2. The people that attacked Tony out of pure ignorance and hatred, like Andy, Matt, Duke, Dyson, Darcy, Bruce, and others, are disgraceful, disrespectful people, in my opinion. And they deserved Tony’s rebukes. I thought Meier’s students were supposed to be spiritual-like people. Those mentioned above certainly are not. They attacked a good knowledgeable man, who knows astrology better than anyone else in the world, in my opinion, when they know nothing about the subject. That’s plain wrong. If Tony isn’t the best astrologer in the world, he certainly is one of them. ”
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Seriously dude, you actually want us to think and believe that asking questions is ignorance and hatred! Remember, you dump and clump folks together you run the risk of having generalities come back at you. As far as I recall, he could not answer some simple and basic questions regarding his special corrected form of Astrology as he never gave any proof on the matter. In fact, I don’t think anyone could summarize Tony’s corrected form of astrology without having Tony Vasquez – The Professional Astrologer say it is so which should strike anyone as suspicious from the outset.

So there it is. What do you wish to achieve further? Do you have proof of how this corrected form of astrology works? If not, then why bother to comment on other people and give us your unsolicited opinion on other people’s questions on the matter?

PS: Are you related to Coral Carp? Sounds something like an iSrEALLY special edumucated individual would do for some undercover blogging.

P.PS: I’m not surprised by the recent Contact Note that mentioned regarding Captain Awesome would some how be related in some oddly shaped way. It’s not for nothing things get released at a certain space time. Like an arrival of things that must come due.

Matt lee

Duke did you miss it
Seriously dude this is Tony in disguise and it’s not the first time.
Yep I was born yesterday Tony
Let it go ok so that we can move on
You’ve made your threats.
Now give it a f***ing rest or else………

Duke

I’m aware Matt it is why I asked for proof for the one astrology to rule them all ! Captain Awesome apparently does not get it because he’s too awesome.

Bruce

Geez, someone is channeling Tony Vasquez – Professional Astrologer for hire … in fact, I have practically no doubts that Tony Vasquez – Professional Astrologer for hire wrote that himself and posted it from a different computer or he had one of his sociopath-victim duped clients post it for him.

Rob

That would be the quickest reincarnation to wit.

Begs the question, do you give the new personality a second chance, if so?

Bruce

I defer that decision to the blog-father host

Matt lee

No Rob he had overstayed his welcome

Matt lee

Well done bruce how astute

Charles Ware

Charles,

Tony did not ask me to write on this blog, as a matter of fact, he told me to stay away from it, but I am a very JUSTICE minded person. I read all of Tony’s posts, he did nothing wrong, but those that attacked him with illogic, skepticism, hatred and doubt were always wrong. Many of you ganged up on him like a pack of hyenas attacking a lion. You’re ridiculous, non-spiritual, and quite funny actually. Those of you who responded negatively to my last comment, proved your ignorance once again.

Tony asked me to not comment on this blog again, he said most of the people on it are too ignorant of the facts, so it would be a waste of time. I didn’t expect much good to come of it, but I believe the truth should be spoken. All of you who doubt Tony will be proven wrong. There is no doubt on my mind.

I’m a married man with children, I don’t have the time for the nonsense that was said to me. So, I’m pretty sure this will be my last comment here.

Matt lee

Gees how sad how despicably sad

Sheila

Charles, why are you addressing yourself?

Bruce

Doh! 😮

nice catch Sheila!

da kat iz outta da bag

apparently, Tony was writing one of his victims, aka a Charles Ware, and the poor hapless one apparently copied a bit too much of Tony’s email to him and what he was supposed to post to this blog for Master Tony Vasquez – Professional Astrologer & Amateur Ventriloquist.

Tis no wonder that Mr. Chas Ware used not only very Tonyesque absolutes but seemed to channel the sociopathic-psychopath itself.

Oh my, the webs we weave, when we practice to deceive, everyone, including ourselves.

Rob

Since I did not follow this blog until you made a platform for him, is this the basis of the 4% that was talked about? Where is the 4% … ?

Bruce

oh well, so much for ‘practicing a “correct” form of astrology’ and so much for that 90% track record, eh Tony ..

yeah Tony Baloney – Pseudo Astrologer to the credulously gullible, how is it to read this blog and only be able to comment by sending emails through your pet lamb, Charles Ware, who blew your latest scam WIDE OPEN (hat tip Sheila) by mistakenly including his own name whilst copying your email to him in addition to what you had written yourself in your defense? I can feel your blood pressure rising with extra-venom. Try not to have your own personal 7.9 earthquake, lest it be your last.

Matt lee

Are you out of your mind Tony.
Give it a rest ok