In response to a comment here from one of the “Dueling Tony’s”, “UFOnthony”, about the prognostications of the other one, “Astro-Tony”*:
UFOnthony,
Your comment was delayed in posting because I had to run outside and check for myself. I think that you and everyone else will be relieved to know that…the sky isn’t falling!
I think that one of the nice things about this blog is that it seems to be able to handle and survive what could be viewed as divergence and even extremes in viewpoints. As you may notice, I’ve been as clear as I can possibly be in stating that, while events like earthquakes could be unalterable (at least at our current level of evolution) HOW people prepare, react, act, etc., when made aware of warnings, predictions, etc., is entirely up to them. Their own fate and actions are not already set in stone as Astro-Tony seems to emphatically assert, unless they have already long determined, through thought, feeling and action, just how they are going to react/act in certain circumstances, and act accordingly if and when such circumstances occur. In other words, my own point of view is in that regard the polar opposite of Astro-Tony’s.
As you can also see, many other people also oppose Astro-Tony’s perspective, either calmly or coolly, or excitedly, with abrasive words, etc., and no matter their tone and temperament they also clearly make their points.
There is also a difference here between what the UFOCI and skeptics do and what we’re doing. We have an open debate, one implicit, underlying principle of which is that we can handle the truth and divergent opinions…even ones that are antithetical to the spiritual teaching as we understand it. The aforementioned opponents to the case, who we often perceive as opponents of the truth, reject, censor, ignore and suppress the effectively dissenting viewpoints of the Billy Meier UFO case and even its easily self testable authenticated evidence.
My hounding of those parties is my own way of trying to keep the truth alive, to offer a beacon for those who just may catch a glimpse of it amidst the noise, static and distraction of the endlessly churned out disinformation. Perhaps you should also try to insert opposing ideas into their blogs, forums, etc. Let me know how that goes.
So fear not that the truth will be hidden, destroyed or distorted here. It’s alive and well and strong enough to survive. And, unless the forecast is for rain, you won’t need an umbrella here either.
*These nicknames are just that and there is no intent to be anything but mildly humorous in using them. No animals, vegetables or minerals were harmed in the creation of this blog.
Couldn’t agree more for the most part. But — and because I know how much you love unsolicited advice — while the differences of opinion are of course welcomed, perhaps a line could be drawn at the name-calling, the substance-less posts that are purely ad hominem and utterly disrespectful…?
I’ve probably been guilty of a few of those myself — but I won’t be offended if they get blocked in the future.
I know we are all big boys and girls here, but … I don’t know. Perhaps your modificator powers could be made use of a little more frequently to at least help keep some level of civility.
I agree and have also in the past asked for civility. I’ve also on occasion put my own asterisk in the service of the cause (punsters, please note) such as s**t, etc.
So, if we can be a bit more self-censoring, I can just approve posts and try to do a few other things in my life too.
#×@~/#=+**^/&&^~÷=₩☆@
I see. Well, I guess I could add that to how it’s spelled in…other languages. I think in (real) French it’s something like M. Lapin de Amour.
Thanks though.
You are right the sky is not falling. I do appologise if my last post to Tony Astro seemed too much. MH is doing a wonderful job moderating these choppy seas. The truth is alive here, among all us constantly learning humans. Again, sorry if my post seemed over the top.
Oh no, don’t apologize! How in heck am I gonna have anything to blog about if we all don’t get a bit over the top now and then?
I mean, there are a couple of other things going on out there but…
MH: “How in heck am I gonna have anything to blog about if we all don’t get a bit over the top now and then?”
Learn German.
In any language, thinking and understanding is required. I recall that the original (profe$$ional) translators of the Goblet of the Truth made an abundance of huge errors. Thank you though for crediting me, a priori (next life), with the ability to avoid these mistakes. Of course learning German’s a great idea for any and all interested.
Stop making me. I can do it without. I will debate you any day on any topic. I know about self-responsibility better than you ever will. I understand religion and can point it out better than you. I’m sure you are better than me at a lot of things. I don’t really care what YOU think I should KNOW. I ONLY care what I think.
Group hug session needed?
WT?
wait a minute, the sky is falling! word out that Putin is gonna escalate Ukraine conflict to get back at Obama for econ sanctions .. Putin knows war will take US stock market down. Ultimately he wants the $USD out as reserve currency …. when US was down with financial crisis, he wanted to stick a fork in it with China’s help but they wouldn’t play ball. But it’s a new ballgame now.
Michael,
I’ve given you my explanation, my opinion of the topic, that will not change. We’ll see who is correct in the near future.
Do you think any amount of Human thought power could have stopped the deadly quake that happened in China on Sunday, that I accurately predicted? Or, do you think that perhaps the hundreds of people that died in it, were destined to die, and no amount of thought power could have stopped that? There is destiny, and there is freewill. If something is destined, NOTHING CAN CHANGE IT. And the Creational astrological forces are what create destiny. If you don’t agree with that last statement, then what do you think creates it? As I said, try changing a prediction that the Ps have given us with human thoughts. That’s impossible. If what I just wrote does not make logical sense to you, then let’s change the subject.
Tony,
Let’s tighten up the the distinctions here:
1. Certainly at this point in time human thought couldn’t have prevented that earthquake.
2. You didn’t specifically predict that earthquake, you predicted that China – a very large place – would have an earthquake this year – a very large time span.
3. As far as the people “destined to die”, let’s be honest and say that you neither predicted how many (as Meier’s info has in the past done, as well as the specific location) nor did you provide astrological evidence showing that these particular people were “destined to die”.
It goes without saying that if a devastating earthquake occurs and people die in it that they were as “destined to die” as someone who’s shot point blank, or in the immediate vicinity of an obliterating bomb explosion, etc.
I’m sure you can appreciate the clear distinctions that don’t allow for an agreement with your broad brush statements. Now, an interesting, though somewhat macabre, experiment would be to get the birth data of the people affected by the earthquake, the victims and a good number of survivors, and provide it to a number of astrologers without telling them who did and didn’t survive, to see in which column they would place each of the persons.
I think that would be a more scientific way of testing the astrological pre-destined premise.
China had not had a quake disaster in 10 years. It was an accurate prediction.
I disagree with the rest of what you said as well.
Let’s change the subject.
Well that’s not quite how a prediction works. One could call it a probability, unless the specifics are provided.
I do have to point out that when you are faced with respectful disagreement that you want to unilaterally terminate the discussion. That isn’t the way to works either.
That’s incorrect. Astrological predictions cannot be that specific. I have already told you numerous times, they are not like the predictions of the Ps with their specific data.
Tony Vasquez – Professional Astrologer
you do realize this is the internet age and therefore anyone is capable of fact-checking?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_earthquakes_in_China
Which China quake since the year 2000 was the one you predicted out of the 18 listed that occurred, and btw, which is the 10 year period you mention that China did not have a quake disaster?
Someone told me it had been 10 years, they were wrong, I should have checked it myself. Nonetheless, it was an accurate prediction. And when the LA and SF quakes hit in Sept., they will be accurate predictions too.
let’s hope LA & SF will be destroyed in a Sept quake for the sake of your accurate predictions, iow, you being right as well as your 90% track record in your mind can remain in tact .
the destruction of life & property would all be worth it in such a case
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/oilandgas/11014604/Vladimir-Putin-signs-historic-20bn-oil-deal-with-Iran-to-bypass-Western-sanctions.html
Vlady P. signs historic $20bn oil deal with Iran, aka the devil, to bypass Western sanctions
Bummer in the summer. And I think that it was in this video that I reported on Meier’s “you may as well roll cigarettes with your paper money” comment.
Michael I actually thought that vlog was going to go somewhere from thereon into something more as a permanent weekly or even monthly arrangement.
An updated version always refreshes the curiosity and anticipation
Only best served when done by you of course.
Matt, for a time I did an online radio show too. But all of this stuff takes a huge amount of my time. In fact, it (writing and moderating, answering email inquiries, contributing on other blogs, forums, doing radio interviews, etc.), takes almost all my time, from first thing in the morning to mid-evening. And of course it’s all uncompensated time.
Gees if I wasn’t so financially in dire straits I woulda given you a million buck already if I had it to support the cause.
Been ‘just’ thinking about it with the hope that one of these days I could contribute in a more meaningful and tangible way.
But blimey it really does reinforce the fact the Creational spirituality and money doesn’t mix well hence as far as I can tell no rich person among the genuine supporters of truth.
And about the time thing I guess not even having 48hrs in a day would be enough for you seeing how much work you seem to be buried under.
But hey what would I know really
Well even a half-million…would’t be required. But also, let me say that my own definition of wealth is having what one needs. So in that sense I consider myself wealthy.
It can also go along with that old Chinese proverb, “If you want to be rich, lower your requirements”, or something like that.
P.S. This is as good a place as any to mention that sometimes when comments don’t appear right away, or even longer, it may mean that I’m not available to moderate. It doesn’t necessarily and in fact rarely means that the comments have not been approved.
I am amazed how you manage to support yourself financially whilst doing all this work unpaid and uncompensated work yet you consider yourself ‘wealthy’ in the spiritual sense of course.
I don’t think for a second that products you sell is rolling off the shelf en mass
Hi Mike, I’m not a smoker. Instead, how about paper airplanes for the bills? Then we can go into the empty sports stadium and see whose dollar bill plane can land on the field first.
I like it. Or, of course, paper…beamships.
If there is a such a thing called Creational Astrology which Tony seems to be an expert at I would deem a person who is called at expert a person with expertise and so if they are an expert on Creational Astrology they should be proficient enough to be able to predict exactly what major events will happen specific to this month of August with specific wordings used such as ‘this month of August marks the end of a life of a great entertainer by the name of Elton John who will meet his fate through cardiac arrest caused by drug abuse’ or something along these lines.
Apologies to Elton John
So why aren’t we getting any specifics from Tony but so far only generalities.
Nowhere in the astro blog does it contain any level of specifics at least equal to Billy’s by Tony or anybody for that matter.
We need the specifics right down to the accuracy of the events just as Billy Meier gives it.
People are getting sick and tired of getting nothing in the way of any specifics but only hearsay.
So what the hell is going on here from crying out loud.
Now where did Tony disappeared to all of a lightening second.
all I heard was a huff and then crickets
How poignant Bruce
I don’t know whether to laugh or to cry at myself for some of the feeling Tony generates within myself or whether I should laugh and cry for Tony for letting him create the kinda feeling inside of me
I’ve given Michael many specific predictions, as specific as I can get using astrology, in recent months through email. He will not allow them to be posted until the quakes hit in LA and SF in Sept. So, take it up with him, if you want to. I have been making accurate predictions for 35 years, in the 1000s, I know that most of them will come true. Besides, my work is for those who are interested in it, if you’re not interested, just ignore it. Obviously, Michael has decided that I am a legitimate astrologer, and that I can predict the future. He would not allow a fraud, or charlatan, to use his blog for any purpose. So relax, time will prove me to be correct and accurate. Also, no one here is my boss and tells me how to go about my business.
But let me make this very clear, I’m mainly on this blog to discuss the great Meier material with those who are respectful, intelligent, and are civil. My time is very limited, but I recognize the great worth of this blog. I’m not here to argue with anyone, but I will defend myself against all stupid and ignorant attacks.
As I worte to Tony:
“I am providing a free online forum for you and your work…something that you are not even doing yourself.
I have my own standards and principles and I also respect everyone’s right to question, challenge and put to the test any and all claims by anyone.
I am not going to be partial to any one person, their claims, etc. We all have to stand by our own efforts and their results.
So, it doesn’t matter what my personal opinion is, especially since you also reject out of hand my own spot on, laser like, penetratingly accurate perceptions (which are second to none) regarding your own personality, interpersonal skills – or lack thereof in certain instances. And this applies to my assessments of virtually anyone else I would choose to focus such directed attention to/on.
So I suggest that you simply endure the trial by fire and not expect anyone to roll over just because you say, and/or intepret, your abilities and information in ways that are not reciprocated at this point in time.
Again I suggest that you…endure and see if you prevail. Should that be the case, the victory would be infinitely more satisfying than just having people agree with you before all the evidence is in.
I’m sure that you would agree…or will should things turn out to favor your predicitons, etc.
MH”
Ok Michael, I don’t agree with that “trial by fire nonsense”, but I’ll let you have the last word. I’m done with this discussion, as I’m sure many others are. PEACE
And if some do come true would you endorse Tony?
It’s not a matter of endorsing anyone. In my mind, the purpose of opening the discussion about astrology is to see if we can determine its accuracy and usefulness, Tony’s claims in particular.
My own position is that there are certainly astrological influences, the extent of which, as far as individual human lives are concerned, are not the determining factor and don’t trump self-responsibility and the might of the thoughts. I’ve also seen things that appear to be consistent with the characteristics, talents personality traits, etc., as described astrologically. However, even those things may vary manifest entirely differently from person to person, depending on the personality and, again, the might of their thoughts, etc.
The other area in which Tony has made his biggest claims pertain to global events. Again, I don’t at all feel that these are predetermined astrologically. I think it’s entirely possible that certain influences, which include cultural and/or religious beliefs, apathy, fear, indifference, and even the weather, etc., etc., can play a part in how individuals and groups of people behave as well.
As far as events like earthquakes, etc., are concerned, there may be more to the astronomical/astrological influences. I don’t know. Ultimately, I hope that we can arrive at rational, evidence based conclusions as determined through our own logical examination of all that has been placed before us. More advanced knowledge and understanding about the true value, meaning, type and form of astrology may only be available through Meier and the Plejaren. Perhaps they’ll chime in here and contribute to our understanding.
Tony its hard to “just ignore your work” when you discuss it on…. every… single…page … of this blog.
As for this, “I’m mainly on this blog to discuss the great Meier material with those who are respectful, intelligent, and are civil…” you’ve got to be kidding. I am not sure I have seen you discuss the Meier material once — except when you try to quote Plejaren to defend your worthless “ability.”
Finally, this was a gem too, “I’m not here to argue with anyone, but I will defend myself against all stupid and ignorant attacks.” Do you know what it means to defend oneself? It actually does NOT mean just calling the attacker stupid, ignorant, and 100% incorrect. I realize you have nothing else to “defend” yourself with because your track record is abysmal as far as we have seen, so instead you simply throw feces and put on temper tantrums that rival that of my 2 year old niece.
For all these reasons, this is why I suggest you please stop touting your alleged predictive prowess(less-ness), so we can actually get on with the purpose of this blog and your own stated purpose for being here…
Or don’t. Unfortunate as it may be, I’m beginning to take a kinda perverse pleasure in watching you continue to dig your own grave deeper and deeper.
As usual, you make a fool of yourself. Try this – stop attacking me and see what happens. I’ll never write you again, you are far to unintelligent for me to converse with.
Anyone find Dyson’s masterful post about Tony’s 1000s of claims lying around somewhere? I do recall a particular line about Tony ProAstro’s foot print being a peddle dropped down a well without making a sound.
Here ya go, Duke. It’s hardly “masterful”, but asks some interesting questions (like, “who are you, really, Tony?”) which would surely produce fascinating answers if any true answers were ever forthcoming.
https://theyflyblog.com/regarding-iigs-retraction-of-defamatory-claims-against-billy-meier/12/18/2013/comment-page-1
The only contribution here rejected solely for length, as far as I know:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5UahMPJ8Tc1b0tReC1DdVRlTmM/edit?usp=sharing
And this: http://pseudoastro.wordpress.com/tag/tony-vasquez/
Peace
Dyson,
I can see you’re just as dumb as ever. You know nothing about astrology, and your analysis of my predictions, was incorrect, is incorrect, and always will be incorrect.
You, Duke, Andy, Anthony, Bruce, and others are some of dumbest people I have ever met. You should all just shut up. You’re making class A fools of yourselves. None of you know anything about astrology, and you have prejudiced minds. All of you make me laugh. And I don’t care what you think or say, none of you can harm me in any way, all that you do is show your stupidity.
That pseudoastronomy link is embarrassing
That kind of stuff really does pull the mission down.
Which one?
Truth is he has predicted some pretty specific things, e.g., a handful of deaths that will occur in 2014 with cause of death. Of course, with 4 months left, none of these have transpired. That’s probably why he doesn’t predict many specific things. Because he can’t. Then he hopes that some of his general guesses about the economy (completely wrong) or the whether (mostly wrong) or earthquakes (mostly wrong so far) will come true so that he can claim some percentage of accuracy. Even all this war stuff that he keeps touting he was right about — he simply wasn’t. The specific things he predicted war-wise for 2014 — US/Israel v Iran and an enormous terrorist attack in Russian — have not come true.
Ok. Now I’m the one starting to sound like the broken record; I think I’ve done enough pointing out of Tony’s lies for a while. At least until October 1st.
August – December is 4 months? 5 months dummy. Don’t worry, most of my predictions will come true. When I predicted Nelson Mandela’s death in 2013, he died in December of that year. Keep on talking your nonsense, when my predictions come true, you will look so stupid, and have so much egg on your face, you’ll be able to open a Denny’s.
Right, you predicted the death of a 95 year old man! What a claim to fame!
I predicted the exact year he would die. You’re ridiculous.
The last link Dyson provided about a piece on Tony Stuart used to further his case against you and Billy
I like this blog very much! It basically shuts down any speculations of a Billy Meier cult-like following. I don’t know how FIGU operates, but anyone reading this blog can see that even though we recognize the Meier case for what it is we’re not always on the same page when it comes to our opinions and debates. I certainly wouldn’t like to see us all under one roof! SIL! That would be interesting!
HEY TONY!
You should really let Michael do his work. MERDE!
What are you possibly talking about, as far as I know, Michael always does as he pleases. What you should do, is tell the immensely ignorant, disrespectful, rude fools on this blog to stop attacking me – that is wasting my time and Michael’s. But don’t worry about Michael.
You crack me up MH!
I think a little bit of wee came out that time! ;->
You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make him drink.
‘Til then,
Andrew.
You can find me on FACEBOOK
Max,
I’m not on the internet yet – I’m working on that. I have a very good private astrological business that has been more than enough for me to handle.
Tony what’s the name of the business and where is it located if you don’t mind me asking?
So Tony, this the reason why you did NOT call all the responsible folks in government to WARN THEM OF THE IMPENDING DOOM you have so with righteous indignation towards mankind about earlier this year. Mr. “not one iota”, I guess you apparently also have not taken out a news article in the paper to warn people or go on all the shows that Mike does for the Meier material. So what do you truly wish to do here on MH’s blog?
( The caps were intentional MH. I hope you don’t mind. )
Well Duke we’ll have to give Tony this much, he has an unusually thick skin but usually this often comes from the back of bitter painful experiences with other people where denial and denying them and swiftly unacknowledging them inside their mind act as a self defensive mechanism to the deeply built in triggers that remain for a lifetime especially from traumatic and psyche shattering experiences.
I’ve taken a different approach to Tony of being hard to build tough character but it seems that its having the opposite effect of building resentment inside him instead.
So basically Tony needs help yet we can’t force it upon him yet at the same time that Tony is also providing vital challenges and learning experiences for us but out of it it appears that he is making himself a victim rather than a legitimate participant.
So I guess some of us just can’t help ourselves help ourselves nor learn to learn how to do so.
Its sad and can be cruel at times.
Gee if only he gets it and use that resistence we provide to do something about it.
I wish him all the best in the end
Since about half a year I am getting your blogposts and by today, Michael, I think the best came in just very few words from your newsletter to my Emailadress.
So, for a free Forum I understand as a possible answer for each question, and a free Blog for a possibility on each claim… isn´t it? – Here´s another one.
For the coming time there will be much more of Billy´s predictions to fullfill, respectly in case with earthquakes and also maybe in huge gas explosions in Asia – by fireballs.
Underneath Saudiarabia, the Saudis are more and more freesetting highly compressed fluid gas-stores, wich were sealed by oilfluids in the past (almost until peak-oil-moment) and now freely expanding thru the earths crust – as trigger-unnoticed and moving still highly pressured downwards to inner earth for the first moment, – and then widely expanding into areas underneath the big landscapes of Russia,China, Mongolia and Siberia, lifting all up a little.
So no wonder, if they find more and more energyreserves, – and therefore most sellable by the Russians, but it is just a question of time when there will happen worldwide movements echoes, or better say the resonances of those actions, where also a little bit of this comes by inner magma-movements on the area of the Yellowstone Hotspot and then also sensible to San Andreas Fault.
Underneath Bavaria/Germany there were also reported oilgasbubbles in May this year and this not only in case of testing for fracking!
Hope you get this, and please pardon my bad english.
Compliments in all cases to you all, and best wishes in positive manner. – Salome
Joe Koehler – Germany
Hi Joe,
Thanks for your interest, comments and information. I think you’ve brought to the attention of many of us things that we’d hadn’t given much thought or consideration to.
Please feel free to contribute and interact here, many thanks.
You can also “google” my name.
I know Tony (Astrologer) might get to a lot of people with the things he says sometimes, but lets not make him feel like an outcast. Just my own suggestion.
J.
Don’t worry, no one can ever make me feel like an outcast. I know what I know is the truth, and I always speak the truth, if anything, it is I that will outcast others. When your life is based on truth, you have no fear.
I absolutely cannot agree with you Tony and you are wrong.
Whatever you’ve been saying lately you are incorrect.
It’s totally unacceptable.
So what’s been happening Tony.
For the resident Professional Astrologer for hire, aka Señor Tony Vasquez, who says “I’m mainly on this blog to discuss the great Meier material”; well, it remains to be seen whether or not you can stand by those words, because I have some ‘Meier material’ for you, Señor Professional Astrologer.
Now, as if it wasn’t already abundantly clear, that you attempt dis- and misinformation with illogical and irrational insistence that the human being is at the mercy of astrological forces, as if the human being would be like a rudderless ship lost at sea, at the mercy of the currents and winds, this should clear things up for you, even though they won’t.
From the FIGU forum/Billy answers questions, it is not only more than clear that your insistent, persistent, arrogant, conceited, high-handed, modestyless, egoistic, egotistic claims as such, to borrow some of your favorite words, are absurd, idiotic, dumb, stupid, ignorant, irrational, illogical and just plain WRONG.
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Could you or Christian outline what the other numbers mean and what the other astrological personality characteristics are? I think this may be helpful in understanding others better. Also, If I may ask, as a number 8 Leo, If I don’t learn certain important lessons in this life does that mean I will be born a number 8 Leo again in the next life? Thank you for your answers, they are very helpful.
Salome,
Lonnie Morton
You should not put too much importance into that number(s). Numerology is just a hint on those things that could be, or those we could do something about. Numerology is not equal to determination. It is a means to understand some „things“.
The human beings have a free will which is „higher“ than any numerical value (or horoscope). It’s in the hands of the individual to decide which way one has to go, or wants to go, etc.
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Hello Billy,
You, as well as your previous incarnations all share birthdays in early February.
What is the significance of people born in early February in relation to astrology and their destiny in life as well as the precise days which are appropriate?
There are some general influences by the Central Sun on the characteristics of human beings, depending on the time of the year a person is born. But these are playing a minor role in one’s life.
Regarding the prophets it can be said that this has been a “Fügung”, with some cosmic influences. But all of this has nothing to do with astrology as it is understood today.
It’s up to each human being to get hold of one’s life and be the master of one’s course of life.
(Note by CF: If you take 5 persons who are born on February 3rd, at 11:00 am, you will notice that not all of them will become a prophet and that they are quite different personalities.)
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Hi Billy, a recent study of over 2000 children growing up, in the sign pisces , some of them even born at the same time, and probably at the same places, showed that there were no similarities at all. Hundreds of astrologers sent their profiles, but no one seemed to be right. How could this be? You also had astrologers to find out your personal characteristics. To me it seems that practising astrology is a waste of time.
Answer
Today’s astrology may explain some really general characteristics of persons who are born under a certain sign. The horoscopes that are published in the newspapers etc. are useless.
Astrological impulses are a reality, but how they are gathered, judged and implemented by a person is a VERY individual matter.
(Note by CF: Even if two persons are born by two mothers at the same instant at twp meters distance, the two babies will grow up as two different persons with different views, characters, etc., because it’s not the astrological aspects only that have an influence on one’s own life; in fact, other factors are more important.)
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Greetings Mr. Meier,
I understand that you regard astrology as a useful discipline for assessing personality/character and for predicting future events when properly applied. I further understand that it possible to determine the time and manner of death through astrology.
In the event of mass death, like during the second world war with the dropping of atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Japan, when tens-of-thousands died at virtually the same instant, did the victims have common astrological factors in their chart indicating this manner and time of death? With the prophesized/predicted world war 3, is there a distinguishable astrological signature in the zodiac that portends the beginning and ending of this catastrophic event?
It is a privilege communicating with you, Mr. Meier. Thank you for allowing this opportunity.
Michael D.
ANSWER
Hi Michael,
Astrology (the real one) is useful for knowing one’s character, or to form
one’s character, etc. But for predicting the future other means are
necessary: probability calculations, preview of the future
(Zukunftsschau), etc.
Note by CF: If the death date would be determined by astrology, all dead
persons in Hiroshima would have had the absolutely same astrological birth
data or horoscope.
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Hello Billy,
Is there any way to determine or culculate an individual’s spiritual evolutionary level? Is it possible to do this using astrology and numerology, ect? How much influence does numerology have on oneself? I noticed Billy’s life path number is 7 which stands for the seeker of truth into metapyshical areas.
thx phil638
Answer
It is possible, but not by using astrology or numerology. But the “how to do” will not be disclosed.
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Hi Billy,
Is it helpful to use astrology and numerology in finding someone compatible for a true love relationship?
Salome,
Lonnie Morton
Answer
No, it isn’t, because numerology and astrology, as they are known and used on Earth, are not at all reliable. What one should use is pure reason (Vernunft), human intelligence (Menschenverstand), logic; one’s own thoughts and feelings, and “Empfindungen” from the spiritual realm.
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and since Tony Vasquez – Professional Astrologer for hire who is “mainly on this blog to discuss the great Meier material”:
more of the so-named Meier material and this time from the GoT itself, on free will vs. external influences, which would obviously include impulses from heavenly bodies or astrological impulses.
“From the very beginning onwards the free will is given you, and therefore you can make it, through your own decisions and determinations, negative, bad, evil or positive, good and noble, so you can also form it to the full freedom or boundedness.
In any case, it is always up to you whether you let your free will exist as such and use it consciously, intellectually and rationally in a logical wise or whether you make it bound, i.e. unfree and burdened with external influences, so that it is so much disadvantaged that it no longer corresponds to a free will in any wise.
In the Creation, in the Universal Consciousness, and in all its created creations and in everything existent that it has created, one wheel of the happening interlocks into the other; in strict logicalness one thing is the consequence of another thing and at the same time controllingly turns everything that is connected with it, through which no irregularity can occur; the whole is like a gigantic giant-wheelwork, in which from all sides the cogs of the wheels precisely and sharply interlock and incessantly move everything further and drive it for wards to the development; and you human beings of Earth, you stand with the decision- and determination-power given to you through your free will in the middle of this immense machinery, equipped with an unmeasurable might which is given you and with which you are able to direct the big wheelwork of your own life and destiny in any direction that you choose, that is to your own prosperity or adversity, to your fortune or unfortune, to the negative, bad, evil, terrible or to the positive, good, depending on how you form and use your free will.
And truly, whatever you do in this respect you only do for yourselves, because you alone lead yourselves upwards or downwards, because for every cause and effect your free will is always the decisive factor, depending on how you form it through your own attitude, decision and determination.”
upwards or downwards, because for every cause and effect your free will is always the decisive factor, depend
Bruce,
You said: “Now, as if it wasn’t already abundantly clear, that you attempt dis- and misinformation with illogical and irrational insistence that the human being is at the mercy of astrological forces, as if the human being would be like a rudderless ship lost at sea, at the mercy of the currents and winds…” – That is totally incorrect. I never said that, and you are misunderstanding. In your desire to attack me, you misunderstand, and make a fool of yourself. For the last time with you – there is destiny created by the Creational astrological forces, like the Aquarian Age coming in, and there is also freewill and human thought power. THINK about this before you open your mouth again. If you stupidly attack me again, I will put you on permanent ignore status.
Tony do you have a biography of some kind like an SNS profile such as google +, facebook or twitter?
If not why do you feel that you need to hide from people and remain anoymous?
Do you lack the courage to put your real face to the truth?
What’s the problem?
Care to share?
Hello Matt,
I hope all is well with you… must be early in Australia!
Sometimes I feel like my name should be inserted in place of Tony’s in this nicely worded paragraph.
Though I have not made the claims Mr. Vasquez has. That is his own ‘war’ he MUST ‘battle’.
It would be interesting…. mean a little more, if we all used our real full names backed by any kind of data to back it up, when needed. Facebook… as much as I despise it, is a good way to let someone see another within the ‘cloud’.
Even a picture here, I have thought about adding one. All we get is Bruce’s Toucan… and Michael of course:)
Hi philip how are you going
I am actually in a similar time zone to OZ but in a different country Korea.
I couldn’t sleep so what better way to use up some energy.
Its always a nice idea to keep each other honest so that we know exactly who the real human being at the other end of our exchanges is.
We should voluntarily do so if we have the avenue available.
As for Tony its not a witch hunt but I feel that we should all be made accountable for what we say and do.
We all need the character test from time to time
The time has come for Tony I think.
Patience have its limit.
Mine has met its end by a few things that Tony said that have ticked me off.
Benefit of doubt or not things have become acute and heads should role figuratively of course.
What do you think Philip?
Oh Korea… thought you were in Australia.
I am doing ok… slowly trying to get myself of off this thing to start my day of work. My family owns apartment buildings and have been helping with them since I could remember. Is nice to work for myself but always a challenge in wading through everyone Else’s ‘filth’… mentally, physically.
Beyond Tony whom is getting everything he so hardheartedly wants here. I couldn’t agree with you more! For a long time I just ignored him as he loves to say he also will do. Yet, it always made me cringe non the less, his ‘thoughts’.
Hope the rest of your day/night is as wonderful as this moment.
I believe your choice of words – “there is destiny created by the Creational astrological forces” is not correct. Billy calls them astrological impulses and we as humans can use them, ignore them, be taken away by them, influenced, etc … nowhere do I understand his words as ‘destiny’.
and btw, you and your ignore status, permanent or otherwise, is simply hysterical as well as an honor. So I thank you before hand for both.
And I have no desire to ‘attack’ you. You invite what you call ‘attack’ through your modestylessness, your boastfulness, your conceit, your psychopathic-like delusional tunnel vision, you ignoring what Christian F. essentially had to say to you as you twisted it into a positive for yourself like any good psychopath would,.. I could go on, but that is more than enough for now.
It’s simply a matter of deciding for ourselves what kind of world we want to live in.
It seems that human beings have forgotten they can do that.