Summer is fast upon us and, as Billy Meier long foretold, the damage to the ozone layer increases the dangers of skin cancers
As Billy Meier foretold in 1958, when he first warned about the damage to the ozone layer, a new LA Times article reports that skin cancer rates have increased to double what they were 30 years ago.
Ptaah had explained to Meier that exposure to the sun for tanning is hardly innocuous and leads to severe problems, as more and more people are learning.
Quetzal also foretold the dangers from the then not yet existing mobile cellular phones, etc., which are denied as well, since the worship of profit is even greater that of the sun worshippers.
See also:
Prior Knowledge Of Major Ozone Depletion
Thanks to Amit Garg for the information.
Is`t no fun sitting in the sun anymore because you have to put sunscreen on and coverup to avoid getting a sunburn or even worse skin cancer!:-((
I naturally agree with the advice from Billy and the Plejaren, what concerns me even more is the power of our thoughts. As was explained in the Spiritual Teaching, the nocebo effect is very much “unnoticeble” to the person who creates the conditions for it to take effect. If we take the good information and warnings, then we can move forward in life with no need to fear everything that may cause us even further harm. It is just, once again, confirmation of the authenticity of Billy Meiers information.
http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/The_Talmud_of_Jmmanuel_-_Laws_and_Proverbs
25. “Those who take care of a cow always receive milk; likewise, those who nurture wisdom and apply it through the power of the spirit bring forth rich fruit.
26. “Recognize each law of Creation and once you have recognized it, adhere to it and live accordingly, because the laws are the greatest wisdom.
27. “There is no eye equal to wisdom, no darkness equal to ignorance, no power equal to the power of the spirit, and no terror equal to the poverty of consciousness.
28. “There is no higher happiness than wisdom, no better friend than knowledge, and no other savior than the power of the spirit.
29. “Those who have intelligence may grasp my speech so they will be wise and knowing.”
I can understand the spirit is the other part of life, except I cannot understand it being a self appointed savior. Are you sure this is worth reading?
Darcy, you are wise. We all are own self appointed saviors or Guru. There are many things that disturb me about these contact notes. After having given a good deal of time to pondering some things, we must decide for ourselves what is and is not. My conclusion is that remain open always, but NEVER take another Human’s interpretation as absolute truth. You will rob yourself of something they may not know. Be you and only you because there is only one of you in this way.
DWC,
Those passages quoted from TJ are basically repeated in CR10 by Semjase. Consider lines #17,18 and 41, and perhaps your question will be answered therein. Since these passages are not related to the topic of this thread, I will repost them for consideration in the Questions and Answer thread, as they are key elements of the Spirit Teaching.
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I have tried to find the Questions and Answers thread, other than using your comment Rob in Recent Comments to get there I just cannot seem to get there from, I assume, the Categories list? Can someone help me out?
Ev,
There are two ways to get there. The easy way is just type “questions” in the TheyFlyBlog Search” box to the right of this page, below the “Welcome,” the “Recent Comments,” the various “Subscribe” buttons, and it currently always seems to show as the first link, thought since I don’t know the logic of that search, it is not guaranteed to work. Perhaps “questions and answers” will insure it works all the time.
The other way is to click on the link below and book mark it in your browser for future reference:
https://theyflyblog.com/2014/08/25/billy-meier-ufo-case-questions-answers
Thank you Rob 🙂 dunno why I didn’t think of that!
It is only your own thoughts that make these conclusions finite. The very thing you conclude is based upon your own thoughts which can never be substantiated materially, at least in this context. Is it real? Quite possibly, but until you know, how will you know?
Beautiful Duke, Now that is the power I power of spirit and wisdom I can live with!:-)))
This topic does not relate to the topic in the Blog You might want to read this article which will explain why the Earth is where it is in the time in Earth`s history and why we are head toward WW3 in the first place due to the influence of the Orion Syndicate and the Sirian MIBs influence with all the governments espcally the US government with it`s Deep Black Ops Project. Here is the article. Friday June 5th,2015 From Misterious Universe Demons and the Defense Department This article expains why the US government is dealing with such negative ET`s and the Sirian Overlords instead of joining the good ETs from the Plejaren Federation and other good ETs from the Galactic Federation of Worlds etc.This artickle explains just why we are where we are in this time in history!
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Is there any definite proof that Contact Report 226 is from 1989? I find especially the parts about the invasion of Iraq interesting.
This is one of the things that actually makes the Meier case absolutely remarkable. You may or may not know that there are a few amateur “researchers/investigators” who are spending a lot of time actually trying to prove that Meier back dated what we often term “prophetically accurate information”.
So while it seems that I’m not giving “proof” to answer your question, the real answer is derived by contemplating what Meier would have to have done to gain access to the information (in ALL the specific instances) meaning to prove means, motive and opportunity for him to do all the backdating…in ALL the transcripts, in any and all languages.
In other words, in the absence of “absolute proof”, one has to proceed in accordance with one of the cornerstones of the spiritual teaching, i.e. taking complete self-responsibility for reasoning one’s way through to their own conclusions.
I believe I heard you say in interview(s) that there is solid proof in certain copyrighted dates for some predictions or prophecies(?)
Yes, there are various books, documents, publications that can be verifiably shown (either through copyrights or provable online publication) to be published prior to so called “official discovery”.
MH at 11:30: You’ve either consciously or unconsciously set a bar that’s impossible to jump.
If I understand you correctly: For someone to prove the Meier case is not true, you would need them to explain why and how he came up with every single word he ever wrote.
So, if someone proved that 100 of the pieces of evidence that you’ve put forth are not valid, that’s insufficient. If someone demonstrated that 10 photos were manipulated, that’s not enough. If one friend or family member of Meier’s said it was a hoax, that doesn’t suffice.
The only way to demonstrate that Meier is not a prophet is by demonstrating for 100 percent (not one percent, not 51 percent, but 100 percent) of the material, how and why Meier did it. Is that what you’re saying?
Again, it’s pointless to try to reason with people who truly have only the most superficial acquaintance with, and understanding of, real investigation that encompasses means, motive and opportunity.
People who don’t understand that circumstances MUST be carefully considered are unreachable.
You are free to believe what you want, which is what you’re doing since you’re essentially accepting someone else’s inaccurate claims that evidence isn’t valid, etc., etc. You won’t get very far with someone who’s actually reasoned their way through this for 36 years and 15 on-site visits, had their own close sighting, received info from the Plejaren, etc.
Rasmus: unfortunately, investigators have found that Meier frequently edited documents after first publication, which “improved” the accuracy of his predictions. In addition, many predictions weren’t published until after the predicted event occurred. There’s a site that has reviewed many of the early predictions in great detail.
As usual someone who knows nothing personally about the actual process has joined in making comments like those from others who also know NOTHING. I guess it’s futile to point out that sitting on one’s butt in front of a computer is no substitute whatsoever for first hand, on-site familiarity with the realities of the situation that Meier was, and still is, dealing with.
It’s this kind of immature mindset that would, at this point, be far better served by taking the hints, the clues – the overt warnings – that are already now manifesting in our world, unfortunately with a lot more to come, and plunging into the spiritual teaching, learning how to understand and apply the might of their thoughts to course-correcting. Certainly this will be far more fruitful than babbling on and making thinly veiled accusations of any hoaxing.
A lot of insults get thrown around, but notice that there’s no dispute of the point I made:
Meier frequently edited documents after first publication, which “improved” the accuracy of his predictions. In addition, many predictions weren’t published until after the predicted event occurred.
Does anyone disagree with these two statements?
To point out people’s foolish inadequacies is not throwing insults around. Again, you are so far from understanding the real life circumstances established now by decades of actual research that it’s pointless to try.
For this of course the ease of accessing things on the internet is…partially to blame. But the real responsibility lies with the individuals, especially the ones who are so abysmally ignorant of not only the known circumstances but how actual, real investigation and research is conducted.
I’ve allowed Moshe to make the same non-points a number of times. But since he is actually non-responsive to my, again, pointing out means, motive and opportunity, the known and established circumstances, etc., his parroted points of contention will no longer be posted until he does respond, in detail, to the aforementioned, critical elements that MUST be used in weighing evidence.
MH at 4:23: what’s the specific question you want me to respond to? Your wish is my command.
Start by explaining the actual, verifiable means, motive and opportunity that Meier had and utilized in each and every case where you claim that he backdated, falsified, any information, etc.
That should be easy enough since you’re stating these things as facts.
Just to clarify, “back-dated” and “falsified” aren’t words I’ve used. I said, “Meier frequently edited documents after first publication, which “improved” the accuracy of his predictions. In addition, many predictions weren’t published until after the predicted event occurred.”
I’ll provide the means, motive and opportunity for one of those items, even though that’s an extraordinary request to make of someone. But, I like chatting with you and you’re requiring me to do it to keep posting, and you’re the boss.
Would you like to start with his prediction that the U.S. would attack Japan with atomic weapons? I think that was the first prediction in chronological historical order.
What’s actually extraordinary is to make, or repeat, claims that Meier falsified anything without providing the requisite substantiation.
I suggest starting much earlier, such as with “unnatural climate change”, from 1951, even though there are a number of other prophetically accurate pieces of information in that document. Keep in mind that Meier has about the most well documented life of anyone, living or dead. We have photos of him from four years of age and writings from 1948.
We’re not going to question if he really wrote that document in 1951, or the others in the years attributed to them…yet. Since that’s part of the contention of the skeptics, we’ll first work our way through all of the prophetic information and then introduce specific evidence as to when it was published. Then we’ll apply deductive reasoning, taking into account means, motive, opportunity, established character, evidence of any collaborators, other circumstances, etc.
MH at 5:51: I don’t want you to block my posts, but I don’t know what you’re asking me to do. I thought you wanted me to provide Meier’s means, motives and opportunity for predictions that I claimed were edited after publication or published after the event. Did I misunderstand your demand?
Strange as it may seem to you, I do have other things to attend to in my life…lots of them.
Start wherever you wish for now.
MH, I just had to change my Email address to the new email address due to the fact that very often when I log on either my Email and /or password is wrong. I don`t know why but I`m technically chalanged? I heard a few years ago that they were going to eliminate passwords? I also don`t understand why passwords have to be so long and complicated? It`s not like TV where you can just tuirn it on or off or just change channels without all the fuss etc?:-(((
MH – “This is one of the things that actually makes the Meier case absolutely remarkable. You may or may not know that there are a few amateur “researchers/investigators” who are spending a lot of time actually trying to prove that Meier back dated what we often term “prophetically accurate information”.
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MH, I take it you are referring mainly to Mahesh there. Imo, I thought he was a good researcher of the Meier case when he started. He found/pointed many new corroborations online. Then, after his back flip for NO good reason, I now think he is an amateur and also not very wise for failing to see the case would be much more incredible to believe that Meier hoaxed it all.
Yes, he’s kind of the main proponent now of trying to twist things into untruth, for whatever reasons. This is indeed one of the perils of the online armchair investigators. While certain things can be discovered through search engines, much can’t be as the thinking required to deduce the truth is not a function of a search engine.
Apparently it’s also not the function of the self-serving skeptics.
Agreed Mike, they use their emotions rather than their own intelligence and logic and reasoning. They are stuck in that insane type thinking because they are programmed to compete in being the best b***s****ers in order to feel special and maybe get lucky and make some money.
Terry, your information regarding an imaginary “Orion Syndicate and the Sirian MIBs influence with all the governments especially the US government” is all rubbish, obviously. You only need two thinking brain cells to conclude that what you mentioned earlier, is complete non-sense.The US and other governments are not working with anyone from outside this planet. Anyone technologically advanced enough to travel here, will understand that we are still relatively primitive and do not possess much (if any) worthwhile knowledge that they don’t already have. The way you explained it, is as if there is along queue of e-terrestrial visitors, anxiously standing in line just to make contact with our “fabulously advanced” governments. Yea right!
Your enthusiasm seems to be faltering.
This is going to be tedious, but at least you didn’t demand to know where I live, like you did to Andy.
Okay, I believe the first prediction an alien ever gave Meier was the U.S. bombing of Japan using atomic bombs in 1945.
Pretty impressive, right? Unfortunately, Meier didn’t release this “prediction” until 1976. http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Sfath%27s_Explanation
Means: by the time Meier released this prediction, many, if not most, Europeans were aware of the a-bombing of Japan in 1976. It’s in many history textbooks. Therefore, it would have been very easy for Meier to discover this event in 1976.
Motivation and opportunity to follow…
(By the way, I wrote a paper about the bombing in 1974, so I beat Meier by two years.)
Oh right, is that the paper in which you also foretold Meier’s founding the SSSC, gathering a group, writing the spiritual teaching, having marital problems, the enslavement of humankind through religions and sects, etc.?
MH at 12:48: All those things you list sound slightly impressive, too, at first glance. (Not quite as impressive as the a-bomb, because your list involves himself and he could force them to come true.)
But, regardless, I don’t think there’s any solid proof that he wrote them before they happened. It’s my understanding that he didn’t. He published them in 2002! Meier is excellent at predicting events that have already happened.
Pardon the bluntness but my tolerance for stupid, inept “research” is exhausted. Why didn’t you mention the information given to him that his wife would turn against him, etc.?
In fact, while not necessarily dramatic, there is so much significant information about Meier’s life and work that would occur even after the 1970s in that particular document that because of your ignorance of the entire matter has no doubt escaped your notice.
Had Meier falsified the date and actually only written it around 1976, wouldn’t he have made it more stunning by attributing to Sfath mention that Billy would have to accomplish everything with…only ONE hand, instead of “through the work of your hands”?
I will give you a chance to actually try to make your foolish case and then I’ll be closing the door on this kind of shallow, amateurish idiocy.
No matter that there will be those who complain that the “shooting gallery” is closed, as they seem determined to miss not only the authenticity of the Meier case but also its invaluable significance…perceived only by those who have but a mere whit of wisdom.
This failing isn’t only attributed to the anonymous, online armchair experts, even those who, one would think and hope, have come close to independently realizing some of the dangers now looming are remarkably blind and dumb to being shown the bigger picture..as well as how they, with just a tad of effort, could help to change the course of history via the information in the Meier case. I will have more about a very specific situation by next week.
Boy, first you require me to do this, then you tell me to stop. I don’t get it.
See my previous comment for an explanation of why the other “predictions” from that document aren’t impressive.
It’s like this, when someone sets out to defame another person they don’t get unlimited shots at it. I raised points of logic that completely undermined your sloppy attempt. You say foolish things like “he could force them to come true”, which already presupposes that the man is some kind of fraud, etc.
The problem is that I happen to…KNOW differently, from my 15 personal visits, seeing his information on his own computer, meeting and speaking also with numbers of other people, etc., etc.
People who engage in this kind of “gotcha” are indulging in foolish, nasty, frivolous attempts to defame someone whose amazing, voluminous evidence and information they couldn’t hope to even barely reproduce with two hands in 100s of years.
We now live in an age where people can freely and instantaneously post unsubstantiated, ill thought out, defamatory crap about people they don’t know, have never met, etc., and then be peeved that their comments are shown to be shoddy and stupid and mean-spirited as well.
I think what this discussion really needs is the wisdom of Sheila.
Okay I’ll bite. My words of wisdom for today aimed at Moshe – read what Michael is saying and try to understand it. Think of it like a diary where it’s all in chronological order. Do you go back into your diary and change things? More than likely you would make a current entry clarifying your previous entry. Now what if someone took your diary and translated it into other languages. Are you saying that the first translations would always be correct? Take your stupid bible as an example. Ask yourself how there can be so many slightly and overtly different translations of one book.
Sheila at 4:21: I like your diary analogy and I’ll extend it further. I might change some information later occasionally in a diary. (It’s weird that his changes so often bring Meier into alignment with scientific understanding at the time of the edits. ) The nonsensical part is then using the altered language to prove prescience about events that had already occurred when the edits were made. Yes, this really happens with Meier.
In my diary, I can predict the winner of the U.S. presidential election with 100 percent certainty as long as I can edit my prediction a week after the election.
And Meier changes the German version, so translation doesn’t have anything to do with it.
You are absolutely completely ignorant of the reality of the way the CRs work. THere is also a chain of command, so to speak. Meier has never falsified anything and only people who haven’t researched the case and don’t understand investigation, or how to think, carry on about such nonsense.
So unless one actually provides credible substantiation for such claims and addresses means, motive opportunity, known and established circumstances, character, multiplicity of witnesses, other photographers, etc. – I will no long publish such comments.
MH at 10:14: To clarify, I didn’t say Meier falsified his contact reports. I said he changed them sometimes after the event that was the subject of the report in ways that made the report a more accurate reflection of the event. I believe that you’ve acknowledged that he has done so. So why is what I said so controversial?
No, there was/is NO modifying the actual content to make anything fit the events. The information was given to, and transcribed by, Meier PRIOR to the events. We stand by that. You are completely unknowing of the reality of the process. Meier’s accuracy in transcribing the incoming transmission of the symbols that convey the content of the conversations with the Plejaren (while simultaneously translating them into German!) is very high but he’s only a human being who makes mistakes/omissions here and there.
The reality of the situation is so far beyond your, and many people’s, understanding that they apply cynical, simplistic criticisms to a situation that simply has…no parallel.
Sheila, your comments make all of this worthwhile. Thank you.
The one thing I’d correct is that I wasn’t trying to say the translation is easy. I was trying to say that it’s naive to take Meier’s word that if he had just translated the symbols correctly, he would have been exactly right. And it’s disingenuous to then use that corrected translation as proof that he’s a prophet.
NO – it’s not “naive” to take the word of a man with a public record spanning over 70 years, with authenticated physical evidence of actual extraterrestrial craft, a voluminous “diary” of transcripts containing verifiably prophetically accurate scientific and world event related information, support form over 100 eyewitnesses, five other photographers, decades of independent research and investigation by several parties, no record of deceit, lying, collaboration, available technical or financial resources, a man of character, etc., etc., etc.
All of which I happen to have personal experience with over 36 years and 15 trips to Switzerland.
And you – who’ve never so much as set foot there, who has no experience as a researcher, investigator and…thinker, throws out the typical online armchair idiocy as if it was based in ANYTHING other than your own overestimation of your knowledge, abilities, etc. You wouldn’t even know such things as the spiritual symbols – let alone everything else in the case – exists if not for Meier and all those people who’ve already done the homework you rigorously avoid.
So here’s the deal. I won’t post any more of these shallow, lame, unsubstantiated comments from you – or anyone else. They must be accompanied by credible, substantiated information…and not the bilge from skeptics and debunkers. I’ve given way too much latitude already to numerous people over the past couple of years and that’s…over now.
MH at 4:05: Your responses to my posts fascinate me. I love witnessing the extremes your mental processing goes through to deal with cognitive dissonance.
Meier claims the ice man guy died 4,000 years ago or something like that. Scientists then determine that it was 5,000 years ago. Meier changes his report from 4,000 to 5,000. You view this change not with suspicion, but as further evidence of Meier’s superhuman knowledge. You believe that Meier simply mis-transcribed a symbol or two and if not for that error the prediction would have been for exactly the right millennium. Further corroboration of Meier’s prophetic ability!
Can you concede that this situation could be viewed by someone without an investment in Meier as unimpressive?
Moshe,
This may come as a surprise to you but I couldn’t care less. Seeing how few people are actually capable of thinking, of a comprehensive understanding of the Meier case – and actually of much of the rest of real life – I’m content to put the information out there for those who care to deal with it.
If I have any suggestion for you and all of the other oh so clever, relatively recent arrivals on Earth, it would be to prepare yourselves for what is now coming to our world, much of which could have been avoided if people hadn’t been so willingly and effectively dumbed down, while ironically thinking they were actually…smart (the search engine assisted illusion).
Perhaps this will make better sense later, when reality really sits in…at which time it will be pretty much too late.
P.S. There’s no nice way to say this: many people are simply too stupid to understand deep and meaningful things. I say it as someone who had absolutey no training/education in thinking, the sciences, research, investigation, logic, etc. I was strictly a self-indulgent artist, singer, performer, etc. But I always WANTED to know the truth.
It was by actually studying and researching the Meier material – including coming up against things that pushed my buttons, seemed fantastic and impossible – and beginning this long process of self-respnsibility, thinking, etc., that I made breakthroughs in many areas of my own life. It was done without relying on other people’s prejudices, pro or con, etc.
To read the ongoing lazy, non-thinking, shallow, irresponsible attempts to bait, criticize, tear down, etc., all over the internet, as well as on my blog, when I’ve had the opportunity to also take 15 trips to Switzerland, see things for myself, test, question, etc., over a 36 year period, is as close to dealing with insanity as I want to experience.
I truly am amazed at how well Meier and his associates have managed to deal with this kind of crap, and worse, and maintain their equanimity.
P.P.S. Treat yourselves to some examples of what’s out there and what people say about the Meier case:
http://bellgab.com/index.php/topic,1075.0.html
This is why those in the UFOCI will be the very, very LAST to know, understand, appreciate, comprehend…the truth.
Wow what a bunch of loons on that site. Never mind them Michael, most are probably well paid shills and tardy trolls. I just wanted to tell you that I received a reply back from the Prime Minister “…comments have been noted”. I had submitted a translation of contact report 622 to his office within days of Bruce’s translation. I think it’s more important for this information to go to places where someone can actually do something about it, than waste our time debating with the unknown, unnamed freaks who think they are “master debaters”. If you want to know who they really are, you only have to drop the “de” (or was that duh?).
To Moshe, as always I am so unimpressed by your comments. Since you have no idea what the symbols look like, how would you know if they are easy to translate or not? You don’t, so shut the hell up and let the grown ups speak.
It seems to me that there are people commenting on this blog, that are determined to annoy the hell out of the honest, truth seeking individual. These people don’t actually have any genuine interest whatsoever in the Meier material, with the clear aim to deceive, confuse and misdirect newcomers who have not done the foundational research that lead to the proof that the evidence provide.
Moshe, you are babbling inanities, that are rather pointless to the extreme. Painfully pointless posturing. You are wasting your time trying to defend your weak arguments. For those who refuse to live honestly, there is unfortunately not much that can be done for them. If you choose to be sarcastic prick, then I cannot force you to stop acting like one.
I don’t hope I came across as one of those types. I might try to play the devil’s advocate sometiems, which can be productive. Even though I’ve heard about this Billy Meier case for the last two years, I’m still a newbie. And I forgot that Billy Meier never published predictions by date in advance.
This case seemed to me almost immediately remarkable. The most remarkable parts of this case is the sheer amount of publications of contact reports, Billy Meier’s abilities as a farmer that can think like a scientist from an advanced ‘civilization’ from another star system. I’ve seen interviews with him and he doesn’t come across as a deceiving kind of person. And some of the stuff he says is even sound and wise. Some of it provocative (I’m just an Earthling.). Sometimes I even find the Plejaren naïve in some sense: they don’t live as Earthlings. And even as an advanced civilization that, although they had a rough time in their very ancient days, were nothing compared to our suicidal ride. So there just might be differences between how we will get through and how they went through. They know that anyways. And maybe our culture on the other side will have advanced *because* of that – who knows?
My own thinking process has matured the last few years prior to knowing about this case, matured well in line with what you call Creation and the spiritual teaching. Creation is rather comparable to that which is often called “animism”, the notion that there is no non-life and it is the same ‘essence’ in everything that drives evolution. Something I’ve believed ever since I heard about how American Indians understood the world. Something I learned after I was first introduced to a mad idea called Christianity, first encounter was in 1st grade, when I was 7 years old, which, altogether with the idea of a creator-god I dismissed as bullshit and anti-science.
I was born 1982, grew up in a rich suburb in northern Copenhagen, Denmark, in something of a hippie commune that later turned into a two-family house. That house, together with the neighbour house (that turned into a three-family house), was a former hospice where people had died of disease or old age or whatever. You know where this is going, right?
Those two houses and that big garden were severely haunted – even in daylight under the Sun. Especially if you were alone. I lived in that place the first 16 years of my life and you can bet that has affected me in ways that no one else I’ve ever met has. Also never met anyone with similar conditions.
I was always interested in science first. I learned about the solar system and stuff about the galaxy, when I was 4-5 years old (I was still in kindergarten), learned about evolution (hence my rejection of creator-god, although not rejecting spirituality) and in early schoolyears already played around with ideas of different city planning, magnetic trains, built them Lego. School wasn’t too impressive to me, I’d rather teach myself whatever I pleased.
Haunted house was a fact of my childhood, and I believed it had to be a part of nature we just hadn’t figured out yet. I learned I couldn’t talk with people about it, they didn’t believe it or they feared it. Although it was a factual part for all who lived in the house, I as a kid never even told my parents how I never closed my eyes, when I went to bed. Not until I sort of forgot or feinted to sleep. I can’t tell. I never woke up from sleep without waking up in a dream I could remember right after, something which has continued till this day, often in haunted nightmares.
But to shorten this story, over the past phew years, from around 2007 till now, I’ve experience some things that finally got me to try and find out what serious research existed on the question of consciousness, ghosts etc. (and I already had a remarkable instinct to find serious and less serious research.)
I came across English mathematical physicist and philosopher Roger Penrose who authored “The Emperor’s New Mind” (1989) which tried to point out our limited understanding of consciousness. Something that was too substantial to be overlooked by ‘science’. He later together with American anaesthesiologists Stuart Hameroff (from Arizona) authored a model for consciousness that involved quantum-like communication between structure proteins called microtubules in neurons and other cells. I don’t know if they are right, but my instinct told me they were on the right direction.
http://www.quantumconsciousness.org/
I was also interested in so-called philosophy of science, and found out that the person that developped this most thoroughly was an American named Charles S. Peirce. He emphazised that no discovery or science could go anywhere without ‘will’ or ‘instinct’, which he tied to what he called ‘abductive reasoning’ where the inquiring person consciously should try to do away with any kind of ‘prejudice’ as he or her will always be liable to err – does that sound familiar?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method#Pragmatic_model
I take notice of how people around me or in the world at large, including people in my own family, have remarkable ‘abilities’ to deceive themselves, seemingly. Their lack of ‘intellectual honesty’, although I’d say for the most part my parents helped to cultivate my ‘belief’ in intellectual honesty. I don’t like to deceive myself or others for that matter. And I even believe what goes on in a mind can be impolite, even if not uttered in words. As if intention is always important. So I try to be mindful about intention.
Somehow all this brought me to the case of Billy Meier two years ago. I had German in school and high-school altogether for 5-6 years or so, so my German is quite rusty, so I’ve read most I could get by in English, heard talks/interviews with Michael Horn. I’m native to Danish, so I’ve also read some stuff in Swedish FIGU, and even corresponded with them. When I went to third grade in High School (gymnasium) in Denmark, we were required to read texts in Norwegian and Swedish as part of Danish teaching, because the languages are so similar.
Although I am certainly not an abductee, never was ‘channeled’ by any beings, as far as I am aware, I’m sorry to say, I kind of often felt that it was as if ‘my road’ was being observed by an intelligence or beings (grew up in a damn haunted house and garden, mind you, so could be damage from childhood), however not by a creator-god (an idea that always seemed repulsive to me), but I never took it as fact. I’ve read and heard about and visited Quechua cultures in South America that lead me to ayahuasca (a compound that includes DMT), which I found very interesting. Roger Penrose and Stuart Hameroff’s theory does give some explanation to how psilocybe and DMT work in the brain – opposite of that of anaesthetics. Or perhaps they just cancel out for a time those manipulated genes that disconnect our consciousness from Creation and eachother? The pineal gland in the brain essentially makes its own ayahuasca compound, but not all of us dream equally much. And I always thought that dreaming was an important part of my life, even the nightmares.
Ayahuasca taught me of the posiblity of nuclear war and the importance of ‘respecting’ the planet and nature, and that human beings were on a wrong direction. But I already knew all that. In a way neither Ayahuasca nor the case of Billy Meier has taught me something completely new on that part.
I’m by no means mad, although not exactly even-tempered, but I am sure my thinking is well fit for the Spiritual Teaching. This is something I am now looking into for study. And perhaps I should also learn German better. But I kind of think it is justified to say that my own story is rather remarkable compared with that of average Earthlings.
I am typing here using my real name.
Cheers.
Rasmus Outzen, have you read books by independent researcher James McCanney?
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_autor_mccanney.htm#menu
His site where one can order copies of his books is here: http://www.jmccsci.com/
James McCanney is mentioned here because he challenges the entire foundation of “gravity-based” Science (Chapman Physics) that excludes electric currents in Space with their corresponding magnetic fields.
The subject of Consciousness is rather interesting in that man studies it as if it is a property of being rather than the “being” as a property of consciousness. This subject of consciousness has to be observed while one is in the body and also while one is outside the body as both states afford a unique disjoint perspective. While one is in the body, one makes use of one’s brain and mind at the same time based on one’s experiences during that physical lifetime. However, when one is outside of the body, the time element no longer applies as the soul is immortal and there is no brain. There is only consciousness. Is there something beyond consciousness? My experience tells me there is and I call it “the NOTHING”! I have no other word for it as the NOTHING has neither description nor not description at once as it’s only description.
Hi MH,
Perhaps a consideration for a thread of Self-introduction and moving these types of posts there …
Maybe I can get around to it but in the meantime people can intro themselves at their first post, or shortly thereafter.
Good idea. But I would write a new one.
It should have said:
“[…] And maybe our culture on the other side will have certain advances *because* of that – who knows?”
Hi Rasmus, have you figured out yet from Billy’s material what the real source is, of your so called hauntings? When I first read about it, it dawned on me that I had never heard that explanation anywhere else.
I am not sure I found out what the real source is, but I did read about ‘fluidal energy’ in the ‘fine-matter’ realm.
Here is an excerpt about the 6th and 7th senses:
http://theyfly.com/lost/Archives/meiersb38finematter.htm
I never either believed there was such a thing as supernatural (which would imply duality of some sort), which in Danish is ‘overnaturlig’, but the German phrase is even more interesting: Übersinnliches. Übersinnliches implies something that is beyond our senses or simply ‘supersensory’.
I am not sure any of that explains what is the source of a ‘haunted place’.
‘Hawaiian’ responded to you in an earlier conversation and I quote:
“Sheila, you’re absolutely correct in your accessment of Fluidual energy being responsible for the majority of these so called “paranormal” activities. People have to remember that thoughts are also energy related to emotions and do manifest themselves as in that documented case that BEAM discribes of that lady who almost always slept at a certain time in the afternoon and constanly dreamt about being the young girl who used to live at home located in another State where she actually “manifested” herself as a young girl running out of the house which others saw as a “ghost”.
I have written a article located in the FIGU forum which is used to counter-act such forces, but not sure if I should post it here also? Ghost or “haunted” places can actually attached [sic] their energy to the emotional status of those who live or even think about these things.”
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Talk:Clarification_of_a_Defamatory_Claim
Can anyone point me to that article of his? Or any other worthwhile material?
Here’s another one:
http://www.theyfly.com/The_Mental_Power.html
I copy-paste too much. Übersinnliches is the plural form of Übersinnlich.
Rasmus, you must then be superior in wisdom and knowledge the way you talk down to Meier and the Plejaren. I am curious, you say that some of the stuff he (Billy Meier) says is even sound and wise. Can you name the things that you don’t consider to be wise? There must be a lot according to your faultless judgement.
Ps, I am glad to hear that you are not an abductee.
Sil’ed on your last sentence Jacobus.
Jacobus, I am disappointed that you now approach the level of dishonesty of this fellow Moshe the way you seem to try to take the most ill interpretation of what I wrote, which perhaps was as much to MH or anyone else who followed this thread.
I did not talk down to Billy Meier et al. I tried to emphazise how this case stands apart as rather remarkable (if not even an understatement), and that he doesn’t come across as deceptive – on the contrary actually. I’ve heard interviews with Billy Meier, and although I know some German, I don’t think you need to understand German to see that. He comes across as very wise. And I am by no means flawless human being – are you? I’ve read a great deal in this case, although still a newbie, and since I am not a flawless human being with manipulated genes, does it really surprise you that some of the material I’ve read to me comes across as provocative? I’ll gladly elaborate on that at one point, which in comparison to the mission, are mere trifles.
I think it is fair to say, that I am a honest truth-seeking individual in comparison with average Earthlings, and when I read something that I dislike, I still try to pretend as if it is true. I am reluctant to dismiss anything out of hand.
Perhaps you should come back again in better faith? My story is truthful, and I just wanted to emphazised I am not here to target anyone nor am I a charlatan from any of those UFO disclosure departments.
I read somewhere that some individuals who reincarnated here on Earth are naturally inclined towards the Spiritual Teaching. I will try and get hold of that another time.
Peace.
Rasmussen: Speak of the devil and he shall appear. When did I “take the most ill interpretation” of something someone said? (Incidentally, Meier’s “manipulated genes” is remarkably similar to the concept of “original sin”.)
No, manipulated genes are NOT similar to original sin. Study the material more and conjecture less.
MH at 6:30: they’re not similar? Humans are fundamentally flawed outside of their control, so require guidance from a Great Prophet to lead mankind to the land of milk and honey and away from our innate destructive tendencies. Am I referring to original sin or Meier’s genetic manipulation?
“Hear now this, O foolish people, and without understanding, which have eyes and see not, which have ears and hear not.” Jeremiah 5:21
“Similar”, “great Prophet”, “land of milk and honey”, etc. Great examples of what’s happened to people’s abilities to discern, differentiate…think.
Really, why bother to be here if all you can do is try to snipe instead of making on-topic, thoughtful comments?
My comment was on the topic. I was responding to Rasmus’ comment regarding genetic manipulation.
“Land of milk and honey” is a euphemism for a place of goodness. Based on your reply, I’m not sure you understood that.
In all fairness, many people stretch their comments beyond the actual relevancy to the topic. Lots of posts are mini-books in themselves and I’ve allowed tim so that people can have their say and inform each other, hopefully develop the concepts, etc.
BUT…it’s time that the comments took on more of a tone of how personal self-responsibility and the might of the thoughts are at play in one’s own life. Yes, I post blogs about various subjects that are effectively corroborations of Meier’s prophetic information. But now I will try to make it even clearer that this isn’t so that we can sit around wringing our hands as multitudes of people will soon be doing.
We know, we’re informed and aware and so we have to rise to the occasion, demonstrate that this isn’t a rhetorical exercise, or just one in futility.
Therefore, from here on I’ll be pushing for more expression of self-responsibility, of how the comments reflect a creativity of thought as well as awareness of the various situations. And I’ll also be very happy to hear from people who are being proactive, who are reaching out appropriately to others to inform them of relevant information.
MH at 7:41: Makes sense to me! I think focusing on spiritual thoughts is more productive and effective than prophecies or pictures.
Moshe – I responded to Jacobus, which I explicitly mentioned. And btw – please do not call me Rasmussen.
What ever happened to the hair sample and has anybody ever considered the obvious implications of a DNA test that was not available back in 1975?
Hi Merlin,
That may or may not still be in Meier’s possession but I’m sure it won’t be tested if it is. There’s enough evidence for the reality of the case and people should think their way through if interested.
Also, please use your first and last name when posting further comments.
Thanks.
To DNA test hair samples, the root must be attached. The only implication I see is that DNA testing is available today at some pretty low costs so nothing can stop the UFO community from testing their own freaks who claim to be part alien. Start with Elizabeth April who claims to be an alien hybrid.
Now that’s right on. In fact, for the credibility of the organizers, they should…insist on it before the event.
Haha instead they took down the part that said she was a human/alien hybrid. There is something to be said about truth in advertising. Now if only that little toad Nick Pope would quit pretending that the character Fox Mulder of the XFiles was based on him because that only makes me want to bitch slap him. Seriously, doesn’t he have a fake alien abduction he needs to attend?
Thanks for your response Michael. I have now accessed Sheila’s responses which now appear on your website via the link provided and her comments appear to resonate in a non magnanimous manner, but thanks anyway as it was more information than what was requested or needed. A simple yes or no would have sufficed. So no DNA test has ever been conducted on the hair sample. And neither Semjase, Ptaah or Mr Meier foresaw that it would be useful in establishing credibility with so many skeptics trying to debunk their experiences. BTW, Merlin is the name of my dog and I am not a skeptic. I am a Guardian. There are many Truths that reside on planet Terra that are interwoven into a complex cosmological heritage that permeates many realities. There is no single and absolute truth for everybody and I believe that Mr Meier already accepts this. Safe travels on your journey.
What’s a guardian? Is that your way of telling everyone that you’re better than anyone else? As Michael stated there’s really nothing more that needs to be proven by Billy Meier. Do your homework as its obvious to me that you’ve hardly scratched the surface. And in case you didn’t catch this, there’s nothing stopping your sorry ass from doing the same DNA testing of your supposed hybrid freaks, you might want to start with yourself. I’ll make it simple for you though, you will not find any alien/human hybrids. I would also be worried that if Semjase’s DNA were ever tested, it would probably fall into the “wrong hands” and used for nefarious purposes. Nope, you are wrong, there is only one truth. But so kind of you to think you know what Billy has stated without ever reading anything.
From what I’ve understood from the spiritual teaching, the truth is not kind. It’s not sweet and fluffy and flattering. It’s the truth. The truth can hurt. The truth can be relieving. Regardless, it is what it is. What he thinks and what I think may not coincide, but in the end the truth stands above it all. It will out live everything. It’s hard not to get butt hurt when you hear the truth. Especially when the truth attacks your belief system. When it goes against everything you know without a doubt is real. For me, when I heard the truth from the spiritual teaching, it ate away at me. It took me years before I finally gave in and accepted it. Because I knew what it meant. It meant I had to change. It left me with no choice. Either accept it or continue to be delusional.
When the truth is backed with proof, and people still can’t accept it, what’s the point of trying to convince? Once you give them scientific proof it leads to something else…this DNA request is a moot point when there’s mountains of evidence already there. Give em DNA and something else will be needed… It’s almost like the definition of crazy. Doing the same thing over and over with one result, hoping the next time it will be different. This is pointless.
As it was stated, there is no longer a need to prove this case. The evidence is solid. It will hold up in a corruptless court of law. After the judge hits the gavel, and there are still those that won’t accept it, all you can do is shake your head at them and continue on evolving your consciences… I think it’s time to shake our heads… 🙂
“There is no single and absolute truth for everybody” – there’s the reason that you don’t understand the conclusive proof, because you are thinking illogically.
Wow Adrian, Sheila & Matthew. Just wow. To begin. I have read the material. I don’t believe in anything apart from what I am guided to believe from my own inner self. Simple. Not complicated, but does require an element of trust and knowing.
Sheila, thanks for providing further clarity around your non magnanimous disposition which seems an unfortunate byproduct. As I explained previously, I simply asked the question and a simple yes or no answer would have sufficed rather than an attempt to discredit and run down a new and inquisitive visitor. Attacking someone with ‘do your homework’, ‘sorry ass’, ‘your supposed hybrid freaks’ & ‘telling everyone that you’re better than everyone else’ is not what I said or implied. Why you would think or write this raises further questions. It is of little curiosity that this blog is rarely visited given the lack of warmth & welcoming from the locals.
To be clear, I have read the material, I am not a hybrid, I am not illiterate, I do not have a superiority complex and my ass is not sorry. I simply asked a single question on a forum where I felt someone may be able to provide the answer in some kind of respectful and meaningful way……..which you would also assume is synergistic with Mr Meier’s ethos and teachings. My question to you Sheila would have you actually read and absorbed the implications of what Mr Meier has written? And do you really think the way you interact with curious minds is in keeping with Mr Meier’s teachings?
Being a Guardian is my own personal truth and no one is any better than any other no matter what dogma you have been exposed to on this planet.
Matthew, I didn’t imply that I ‘don’t understand’; I simply asked a single question. For humans, sometimes you have to release logic to beget logic.
All of your attempts to support Mr Meier are appreciated in their own special manner. I would still like to hear from Mr Meier whether or not the hair still is in existence. As previously stated, DNA in certain cases can still be extracted without the roots and this may well prove to be something that requires protection if indeed still in existence.
Things do get a little testy here from time to time and then, hopefully, settle down.
As for the hair, nobody protected mine (hence my LOSE HAIR NOW – ASK ME HOW bumper sticker). Anyway, while your interest is understandable, I know that Meier and FIGU completely shy away from things like cultic reverence for personal items, etc. Meier, whose name means “guardian of the treasure”, certainly has enough responsibilities and concerns making sure the truly important things are preserved.
I was not trying to come across as aggressive. I was just typing out what I felt after reading what you wrote. When I see people asking for more evidence it can be a bit irritating but i was not in a negative state of mind and was not trying to cause any negative feelings. I was just responding in the most honest way possible, with the intention to further this discussion. I understand I swayed off course a bit, but I make no apologies for responding the way I did. I went with what I was thinking.. And I feel confident with what I wrote and I was hoping you would come away with maybe a bit better understanding where I am with this case and how going back to proving something or questioning the evidence part of the case, that I and others on this blog know is true, is a waste of time for me. If you want to discuss the important aspect of the case, the spiritual teaching, I think you’ll find you came to the right place. If you want to be a skeptic or whatever you are, and need to be convinced then you came to the wrong place. I would suggest to re-visit the evidence that’s out now, available freely to investigate, and make up your own mind. Your acting like you had no part in “your shock at how we’ve responded”, when you know very well what you’re doing. You came across to me with a sceptic undertone to your assumption that an ER race that can foresee things should’ve knew that DNA would be needed. That is a clear indication that you have not read nearly enough about the case for you would know that the Plejaren stance is no more evidence. No more even arguing it with skeptics. There’s enough proof already. That’s it. No more. And there will be no more. So I acted and responded accordingly based on that information that I have come to understand and accept as truth.
Good luck bud!
Very nicely stated Adrian.
Please just read Goblet of Truth http://www.figu.org/ch/files/downloads/buecher/goblet-of-the-truth.pdf
Masturbatory fantasies are not going to get you to the truth, but honest study of the truth will.
I hope you will one day realize that such narcissistic delusions and childish play-pretend are not going to make you anything more than you really are.
A hair-sample is really insignificant, and there is no intention here of convincing anyone of anything, because, quite simply, no one can be convinced about the real important matters, rather everyone must think for him or herself about them until the truth turns on in their consciousness and they begin thinking logically.
I will leave you with your supposed clever & subliminal implants of masturbation and narcissism. Well done. You have furthered my understanding of exactly how far some have purportedly evolved along the human experience journey. Every single person who has interacted (apart from Michael) on this sight has done nothing but try to put down an outside interaction. And this in itself should warrant further necessary insight into whether or not any of you truly understand what Mr Meier represents. Avoidance of interaction by means of isolation and inference does nothing for your cause and only highlights that sometimes big words and supposed vocabulary intelligence, does nothing but repel rather than attract in a time where the latter is much needed.
Just make your point Gerard instead of beating about the bush.
If you can’t take the heat go have a cold shower and let it go.
No one is entitled to give you an answer for which you only want to hear and I don’t think you’ll get any diplomacy here.
You alone will have to be the one who must truly search for the answers and to make up your mind if you haven’t already prematurely done so.
Give it a rest and go elsewhere more compatible with your mind set.
Yup he’s a preemie. Sounds like he would be far more comfortable in a mufon circle jerk.