Once we have it you can go somewhere and come back before you left
Please feel free to post your comments, thoughts, opinions, questions, etc. about time travel here.
Due to current and pending geopolitical and environmental concerns and events, it’s understandable that people may want to book out of here as soon as possible. We don’t currently have any information about how and/or when flights may be available. However, flights of fancy and fantasies about the future are the stuff of human dreams and hopes so, have at it.
Good points.
Don’t you think we’d try something like a fly first ?
Movie, “The Fly.”
Probably information first.
See Dr Ron Mallett’s work
The following unofficial translations were done by Stefan Zutt, to whom we offer our sincere thanks. For the sake of space (and maybe…time) I’m not including the original German from Billy Meier:
Having overstated one’s case
For quite some time, numerous science fiction writers and science fiction filmmakers are competing with their inventiveness regarding their exciting time travel stories of all facets. There is nothing to argue against that, on the contrary, but sometimes they are with their speculations enormously overstating their case. With the consistency of a Tibetan prayer wheel it is namely propagated that time travellers would in the past be able to influence to their liking all sorts of things and even alter them. Such information spread out either of unknowledge or for sensational reasons do however by no means correspond with the reality. During the presentation of such tampering with the past, a very important factor gets totally overlooked, namely that entirely everything that had historically already happened, can under no circumstances be changed anymore retroactively.
1st example: Is it possible to in the past save valuable scrolls from the eternal destruction?
Let’s say, extremely valuable scrolls, which are of eminently important significance for the whole humankind, were found in the year 1000 in Greece. But 10 years later they got totally destroyed by a conflagration. In the year 2000 a temponaut (time traveller) has the glorious idea to with the help of a time leap save this precious cultural asset from eternal destruction. On a superficial consideration there seems to be completely nothing preventing this plan. But unfortunately that is not the case, because no matter how sophisticated a rescue operation cannot be successful, when the scrolls have already been consumed by the fire. When the burning is already a fait accompli it can’t be undone anymore. As a matter of principle a rescue is only possible ahead of the burning. It would hence have been necessary for somebody to appear in Greece during the 10 years between 1000 and 1010 for securing the aforementioned scrolls. This opportunity had unfortunately been unused – otherwise they would not have burned -, and now the missed cannot be made up retroactively. The mentioned temponaut (time traveller) has therefore absolutely no longer any chance and will also never get it anymore in the future.
2nd example: Could one have prevented the second world war?
Sometimes voices are being raised, saying, one could have prevented the world war by eliminating the primarily responsible person. In theory it would have been quite possible to perform an assassination on Hitler, but – and this is again the crucial point – it would in any case have had to happen before the outbreak of the war. Fact is however that at no time at all a killer appeared at the dictator for killing him. There is nothing any longer to change retroactively about that fact. It would really be paradoxical if the second world war, which had unfortunately taken place, could in retrospect again be undone. Incidentally, we could learn from a reliable source (Ischwisch Quetzal), that the Führer of the Third Reich had actually committed suicide at the end of the war, which got disputed by certain circles. In addition, the public has to my knowledge also never heard a breathed word about his terminal illness, which would anyway have killed him rather soon.
3rd example: Mother-son-paradox.
And what to think about a son travelling into the past and over there accidentally killing his mother, before he was born? The case is actually quite obvious. Such a thing cannot happen at all. Without mother the birth of the son does not take place – hence he is not existent at all and cannot undertake a time travel for killing the mother.
Theoretically the mother could get killed by her son quite some years after his birth, and in fact unintentionally or with an intention – but as said before, theoretically. This misdeed could with certainty not be performed with an intention, and namely for the following reasons: if a human being is capable of performing time travels, it will usually not even in its dreams think about taking any action that would signify an unauthorized intrusion into the sequence of events. Should however against all odds its logical intellect and its rationality not yet be as pronounced as one should expect it from it, then eternally valid laws of nature will with certainty ensure that no gross violations can be made. Fortunately, the nature is equipped with a safety mechanism, which always and everywhere holds the necessary measures ready, when required. In connection with the mentioned matricide one can for example imagine that the son is suddenly plagued by his guilty conscience and does therefore ultimately no longer want to perform the malicious deed – or arrived on the spot he suddenly forgets what he was actually up to – or he does not find his victim at the location in the past – he might maybe lose his murder weapon on the way – or his firearm exhibits a jam during the crucial moment etc.
For time travellers there is thus absolutely no chance to influence the natural course of history in any way, so that irregular circumstances could arise from it, which could have catastrophic consequences (because, apart from the mentioned theories, reality does also exist, as it is detailed below the article by Billy). Thus, the inviolability of historical events remains in any case and at any time and at any location guaranteed. (More about time travels can be found in the book “Flight travels through space and time – real time travels” by Guido Moosbrugger/Germany. Available in our FIGU-shop or from the Study Group of Southern Germany, Wasserburg, Germany).
Time travel
In relation to the time travel into the past or future, with regard to potential changes of events and the effects from causes which result in the past, the following is of necessity and importance for the understanding: What has already happened, and actually in every respect, has by means of the cause coming from the past already affected the future, and has thus in this future already become the fixed and real fact. Therefore, a travel into the past is also not offering any possibility for changing already happened processes and events by any actions or interventions etc., in order to prevent already given effects from causes originating in the past. This is so with respect to the normal time travel, which can be achieved through a utilization of time-dimensions and is thus of a purely technical, material nature. Next to that there is still a higher form of time travel, which the human being of the Earth bound to a material body is never able to perform itself with material means, because it necessitates pure spiritual energies, by which even coarse-substantial material can be transported to various dimensions. This is about a form of time travel that probably can be given the designation spirit-energy-time-dimensions-travel, and by which one can travel both into the past as well as into the future.
In respect of the materially enabled time travel it remains to be explained that also all the processes and events of that future time range can’t be altered in any way or otherwise influenced, in as far as they had already occurred up to that point in time that marks the direct time travel-destination in the future. For the point in time of this destination the past has namely already occurred, which means that at the time of reaching the future-time travel-destination the causes of the till then already bygone past have already transformed themselves as effect into reality.
Regarding future-related changes resp. the potential influencing of future processes and happenings it is possible to have an influence on the further future, but only from the point of time onwards at which the future time travel destination becomes present tense. In this way it is the same occurrence as in the normal present, during or in which as well as in the continuous time into the future this can be influenced, shaped and thus alterations of the processes and happenings can be created, and in fact by the creation of specific causes, from which again specific effects evolve and result.
Billy
A quick clarification. The part with header “Time travel” is actually from Billy. The upper part of the posting from Guido Moosbrugger, who had written a whole book on that matter. The original texts can be found in FIGU Bulletin Nr. 40.
1st example: What if the scrolls
NOTE: “John Smith” submitted an interesting comment but I couldn’t verify identity/email address. I’ll be glad to post the comments should I receive the requested information.
Does this email do it for you? 😉
MH: No, as this is the response I get from gmail:
“The email account that you tried to reach does not exist.”
When thinking of time travel one must think in a very very carefully about time,space as well as location. First of all time and space changes continually. So, If you where to go back in time say… a 1000 years, the expansion of time and the space are a different than the time period from that which you came from. As time goes on, the Universe expands ever so silightly, but in Greatness. Therefore travelling in either the past or the future therefore also needs different and very precise caculations. Now if a person where to go back into the past then the material body of this person(s) would be vibrationaly faster than he/she would be in the past. Then I can only assume that if the time traveller where to be seen by some one in the past. Then the time traveller would only appear as a shade or sillouette or shadow.
To put in a more simpler way of seeing this, think of a huge lake as the universe. Now you have many different currents throught the lake.
The following movement in this lake can looked at in comparison like the entire universe ….
The massive movement can seen as the entire lake
there are many larger currents with in the lake
within the currents are swirls
within the swirls are clumps of debre or little galaxies
again within these little cumps a small solar system exists.
Now within this little solar system you also have movement just like the big ones.
Now think of how you would try and navigate to a different time period, as the solar system would not be there in a 1000 years. Let alone to the other side of another Galaxy. This just gives me head aches thinking of this. But none the less fascinating.
Hi Ned Duke That`s what Ive been trying to say in my last post about moving thousands of years into the future where we would all join the Plejaren Federation amd avoid a nuclear war and be safe from harm from the likes of Donald Trump,Hilary Clinton, Anglia Murkel and so on but I guess MH deleted my last post. This didn`t bother me until I heard what Robert Reich on Democracy Now spoke about Donald Trump to Amy Goodman. This Trump is beginning to saound and axt like Adolph Hitler and Stalin. MH you had better check this out on Democrqacy Now for Tuesday Demcember 20th 2016 “This is very scary and very frightening!”: Sorry about that MH.
The unofficial time travel translations by Stefan Zutt were great, I feel well informed about time travel! 🙂
What about people that can “see ” into the future to “view” a real event taking place *that would be corroborated when the event “did” happen . How does this happen? Obviously , fine spiritual matter would be transcending time into the future ! I myself have had this happen ….more than 40 odd times .With Witness accounts and also very detailed info about the events to come and to pass way before the event happening From The “in the present” to 2 days in advance to 2 months in advance . . And ………Corroborated after the fact …as well as the witnesses , calling me when the events took place . ! Nearly every time ! Example , French Plane crash with one survivor… , Car accident with 4 people killed , A butcher that cut off his wedding ring finger , My girlfriend that was hit in the head ( blew up like a football by a “red” horse {liver chestnut} But actually “chestnut” which is classified as a RED horse ) .I could go on and on and on .These events were Extremely descriptive down to the finest detail as well .But it would take a few pages of each example to elaborate ! Any way Why is this possible ? I haven’t got a machine to see it .Only me !
Anyone?
I often experience premonitory dreams of coming periods (almost daily). Some have referred to months or years. Proof that the future can be accessed, as well as the records of the past, do not depend on time machines. It depends on us and the development of perception. It is NOT “nw mj”…
What about travelling into the future. Lets say I wanted to travel into the future to see next weeks lottery numbers. Would I be correct in thinking that due to events leading up to the lottery draw the numbers could change, or are the events up to that point fixed and so the numbers will be the same?
I remember when Billy and Quetzal went into the future to see the SF earthquake, Quetzal stated that if they returned to view it another time then the date would change, due to things speeding up/time etc. (quote from Randalf Winters audio of BM tapes).
Salome.
Gordon Barnes
UK
Think that may be another Winter’s tale, Gordon, where 1+1 = something amazing.
Yes, time has sped-up due to Nuclear testing and radiation, but, over Millennia I understand and whereby carbon dating is no reliable for ancient objects. Surely, whatever date you went to in a beamship would be that date, unless you had butter-fingers on the time dial?
Gordon,
In the Meier case we learn all about the importance of polarity. Everything has it’s polar opposite. For example, men are positive and women are negative.
So we know that the past is solid, unchangeable; yet the future, forget time travel for a moment, is changeable because we know that our future is not fixed, but rather can be shaped with our free will with the decisions and the actions we take. Take for example a person is contemplating shoplifting. The future has a possibility where the person carries out the stealing AND the future has a possibility where the person makes a decision not to do it. There is NO future preordained that this person is bad and will therefore steal. We all have the ability as our lives flow into the future, to change things for the better or the worse depending on our thinking and actions.
So if the future is an open book so to speak, that we can write our life story, would you think that the future lottery is set in stone or that it can change with the thinking and actions of ALL the folks before it happens?
Well according to the meiersaken website (if the info on there is accurate) according to the future developments of our current, NATURAL timeline section it is said that we will with 100% certainty discover the process of which time travel with become achievable, although the time period is obviously not stated but In relation to all the other events described on that specific section, it safe to assume It can take place anywhere from 800 to 5,000 years from now, hopefully before the time when all the predicted artificial suns orbiting the earth have that cataclysmic crash but I’d say most likely after that, also to note it’s said on there also that foreign dimensions WILL be penetrated by which new foreign intelligences will be discovered (intelligent races of beings perhaps below, the same or higher on the evolutionary scale)…
Michael Horn,
According to the information in the case it is said that it is impossible to change the past and that there are no multiple timelines because time is linear. But if this is true then how is it that Billy himself managed to go back in time to meet Jmmanuel and have a conversation with him? I mean, before Billy went with Asket to travel back in time, the incident itself and by that I mean Billy going back in time to meet Jmmanuel still hadn’t taken place. The incident itself obviously had only taken place AFTER Billy had travelled back into the past to meet Jmmanuel. But isn’t that in itself sort of like changing the past or am I wrong? Or is it possible to change certain events of the past that are of very little importance which would therefore allow like having a conversation with someone in the past who is already deceased in the present time of the time-traveller?
Joseph,
Actually, if the story is true, it did happen in about 32 AD that two people from the future visited Jmmanuel. If you look at it that way then it may make more sense. But that in itself raises a lot of mind-boggling questions.
“there are no multiple timelines because time is linear”. I was of the (likely incorrect) opinion that the past and future are happening now, thus on the one hand we haven’t even been born yet but on the other hand we have already died. It doesn’t make sense that the past or future are created as you time travel there. But then again, it is possible to change the future (according to the suggestions in the CRs) even though you’d mess everything up or make it worse. I think we can all agree that we all know nothing about this subject.
What if someone from before the time of the destination of the time travel into the past, time traveled forward in time to tell Asket to time travel into the past?
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And why would you NOT read my comments? Not that I care. But if you did, you might learn something and your ignorance about time and time travel might diminish? But what the bleep do I know, right Wyatt?
“I think we can all agree that we all know nothing about this subject.”
Speak for yourself. Obviously, everything I have been saying is going over your head. Or do I need a German name or something for credibility?
I don’t read your comments, apart from this one.
Joseph,
The incident happened BEFORE Billy traveled back. It has always been there in history. Billy and Asket just fulfilled what was already there. Here is another way at looking at it, what if Billy and Asket decided NOT to go back, even though that was part of the mission and part of recorded history. Would that mean the meeting would not have taken place?
Since the event exists in the past, despite there being a conscious effort not to go back, at some point they do anyway. They have a change of heart, they are forced back, Billy slips and butt dials the controls, whatever the case, the past does not change.
This is a Creational-natural law that is valid in the entire Creation, all universes, space/times. There is no exception.
The fault often lies in the belief that the past is effected by the future. No, they are two different things like black and white, or male and female, or yes and no. It is really simple, the past is fixed and unchangeable and the future is the opposite polarity of being fluid and changeable. The present does not exist. A present would imply that things stop. They do not as the future is continually flowing into the past. Creation never stops, but evolves. This is the basis of the spiritual teaching.
Some might ask, why or how did it happen BEFORE Billy traveled back? How has it always been there in history?
When Jmmanuel met with a man from the future in 32AD or so, it became history. Obviously Billy was to be born much, much later, so the event was from Jmmanuel’s perspective (observer effect).
When Billy was born with the Nokodemion spirit-form he was to be that man who traveled back in time to meet Jmmanuel. There was no way, for instance, that Billy was not going or could have been stopped. And since it had been there from the beginning of the event, when it happened from Billy’s perspective he got to enjoy and experience it, like Jmmanuel did in 32AD or so.
And since we know that the past can not be changed, this is law, there are not going to be any time travelers, EVER (no matter how far into the future), that stop Jmmanuel or Billy, for example, before this historical event takes place. It started when Jmmanuel met the man from the future that day, way back in the year 32AD or so.
Greg Dougall’s post from December 18th, 2016 @ 7:35 pm was off-topic, but it was revolutionary because it contained excellent ideas to fix this backwards planet.
The only thing I would add to his ideas are the 3 items of gewaltsame Gewaltlosigkeit, the places of fulfillment of guidelines, and a planetary birth-stop with the 7 year birthrate checks.
If all of these things 3 Old Lyran recommendations were done, so many problems would disappear, and future terrestrial time travellers could come visit the point in time our planet really turned a corner. 🙂
Michael Horn,
Since the Plejaren live in a different space-time configuration (dimension) which is only a fraction of a second different from our space-time configuration where there is human life in the Pleiades star cluster, does this mean that the Plejaren possibly live many millions of years into the future from us? The reason why I am asking you such a question is because no human life exists in our space-time configuration of the Pleiades star cluster. What do you think?
Hi Joseph, My present understanding / rememberance, is that Spiritualy they are about 30 000 000 years ahead of us, so what you ask may well be the case, but Michael will indeed be the best source to both correct my figure, and elaborate, sorry if I got that figure wrong Michael, but it is decades since I was informed about it.
Hi Gary,
That is my understanding as well.
what is the difference between time traveling and traveling into space-time configuration (dimension)?
There are times where Billy talked about some extraterrestrials have the ability to travel in space but they don’t have the technology to break into their dimension……Well, if they can manipulate Tachyon in order to travel through space without losing time, I figure they master time traveling as well (which you can go to different dimension under your definition.)
Also, there are “bio-organism” that traveled between dimensions where the Plejaren couldn’t break into.
This is pretty confusing.
Time traveling, in its purist form, would not be traveling into a foreign space/time. In this way a traveler STAYS in their current space/time and the only thing that changes is time. This is a much, harder tech to develop in my opinion. A cruder form of time traveling, one that we earth humans will develop first, is where a traveler leaves his/her origin space/time and enters into a foreign, yet parallel space/time. In this case, a traveler would be traveling in time, not on his original line, but in this foreign space/time configuration.
And the extra man that joined Billy and Asket into the past that was unforeseen. I’m confused as well.
Ned,
The man that joined Billy and Asket was NOT new, but MUST have always part of it from the beginning.
Says who, you? Considering the way the Asket CRs showed how Billy convinced a man who otherwise would not have went to GO ALONG WITH HIM, I am left to think a little bit more differently about this whole Time Travel issue.
It is NOT me saying it! I am using natural laws that ARE IN THE MEIER CASE. It is really, really simple folks. The past is unchangeable and the future is the polar opposite and is changeable. Go ask Christian or somebody else, really. And I don’t expect folks to BELIEVE ME. GO FIGURE THINGS OUT FOR YOURSELVES. That is what I am doing.
some future events are changeable, if they are prophecies or probability calculations. Predictions about the future, such as the coming SF earthquake, etc., are not.
Billy has said that the time of the SF earthquake, and the intensity, was dependent on the thoughts, feelings, emotions, actions of the Earth humans. A prediction, made by a prophet, is a calculation based on events set in motion. The point of a prediction is that the events have gone PAST to ability to change things for the better. So the law that the future is changeable is not broken here.
Billy photographed the earthquake.
Odd, because I read a conversation between Jitsi and Asket about a certain object in the 13th century and it’s value if Jitsi finds a nice spot to bury it that sure sounded like it was in the present tense when it happened as they went into the unchangeable past. I didn’t mention the missing tree that the P’s did so themselves without having an Earth Human with them to prove some point.
Hi Joseph, they don’t live in the Pleiades star cluster in any space time configuration. They live 80 light years beyond it. They have from the very first contact only said they live in the direction of the Pleiades and this choice of words was quite deliberate in order to separate out the many charlatans who would come in the following years saying they were in contact with beings from the Pleiades.
Tony,
The Ps live in a foreign space/time a fraction of a second from ours. If you read the contact notes you will discover that ETs don’t simply travel from star system to star system, but often penetrate foreign space/times. So in order to meet with Billy, they first have to penetrate our space/time, which they call the Goran configuration. THEN they fly from 80 light years beyond the Pleiades to Earth.
I think I’m more confused about this past stuff. So how does it (time travel) work with Billy meeting a rabbi in the 13th century?
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Asket%27s_Explanations_-_Part_3
Spiritually the plejarens are 400 million years possibly 500 miilion years ahead of us and their technology is at least 8000 years ahead of us posibly more now thanks to Asket and her people from Timmers in the DAL Universe. At least that is what I read some time back but things may have changed and improved now that the Plejarens are on the same timeline as the Timmers and the Sonare are in the DAL Universe technologically and spritually.
Actually, it’s 30 million years ahead of us spiritually.
P.S. I wish I could say the same for Earth which seems to be going in the opposite wrong direction in time and deteriorating too.
Gee MH Why are we NOT following in the Plejarens fooitsteps? This just boggles my mind that Earth is NOT doing what its suppose to do like all good benevolent ETs are doing? When are the people of Earth EVER going to learn to do the right correct way to grow u[p and learn like all good benevolent Plejaren DT are doing? Seems to me Earth insist on doing just the opposite and going backwards!