Complaint Department
There’s an old saying, “You can’t please everyone.” Clearly, here at theyflyblog, it isn’t our goal to do so. Nor is it the goal to be gratuitously displeasing, offensive, etc.
Nonetheless, some readers may have complaints, objections, disagreements etc., about the blog that they feel haven’t been heard and responded to. So this is the Complaint Department, where those readers can bring such things to our attention.
We do ask that any issues be addressed as concisely as possible. We reserve the right to not publish comments that are spam, abusive, contain profanity, etc.
Here’s my advice Michael, whether you want it or not. 😉
You focus on writing your articles and interviews.
Retire the discussion board, it must be way too stressful.
Not because you can’t handle the challenges.
Because at this point you could be more productive with your time.
You’ll have a lot more time to think and a lot less stress.
Put your interviews and articles on YouTube and more, including, of course TheyFlyBlog.com
Put your e-mail on your site if anyone wants to contact you.
Melissa wades through the e-mails, and you take care personally of the one’s you want.
Let people find another forum to bicker on.
This discussion board is not productive.
It is turning people away, IMO.
Free advice.
Hi TIm,
I do appreciate your well-intended suggestions, as they come at an interesting time. We recently bid a fond adieu to “two” love birds, whose sock puppetry we detected a good while before we decided to send this message:
“Hi there, Stepehen & Irene,
Okay, talk about a match made in heaven! We’ve been breathlessly waiting for you two to discover each other and trying not to say anything prematurely has been almost more than we could manage.
We did think you two would’ve found each other long ago. After all, your points of view, your likes and dislikes, word choices and structure are so similar it’s…uncanny!
We were just oooing and aaaing over how precious it was that not only did you both often use the same exact words but that you even punctuate the same way – those cute little, doubled up ,, and ..are absolutely adorable!
We’re not the kind to sit idly by forever, hey, if nature needs a helping hand, you can count on us!
Now, at least Irene won’t have such a difficult time trying to name that Teddy bear. And please be sure to keep us updated, send postcards, inform us if there are forthcoming nuptials…or a forthcoming little Stephrene, or Irephen (or two) on the way!
Honestly, if ever two people might as well just be one, you’re it, or them, or whatever!
Bon voyage”
With almost any public forum, especially one about “unusual” topics, there’s going to be a certain number of people who misrepresent themselves, want to bicker, foment discord, spout goofy, off-topic stuff, etc.
Partly because of the massive shadow banning, attacks, disinformation, etc., that we are subject to, our intentions have been to not censor people out of hand but to ask them to stay on-topic, substantiate their claims, etc. Nonetheless, that’s often led to having to do housecleaning at some later point, when things again deteriorate.
So, perhaps we need to be stricter from the beginning, try to detect/determine from the first comments whether someone is going to be problematic and disruptive, etc. I don’t know how well that will work, as we run the risk of prematurely judging/misjudging someone.
Sometimes being “long-suffering” just encourages bad behavior. I reently had to take out an Injunction Against harassment aginst someone who I tried to privately reason with for a VERY long time, obviously to no avail.
So much for all that. As for my own harsh remarks, I’d appreciate your pointing out the worst of it, publicly or privately, so I can review and evaluate it.
FWIW, Billy himself has used some awfully harsh and colorful language about people but also he’s indeed very understanding and carries on with his information no matter what.
Perhaps the most positive development is the recent Redacted interview, now approaching a quarter-million views. It’s been a massive breakthrough…despite various skeptical and religiously deluded attacks, etc., which seem to be in the minority.
Also, getting quality interview opportunities is not easy. Most high-profile shows/hosts are hard to get to without a professional publicist. And they are expensive, which I know because I recently hired one to help get higher-level interviews. For the most part, I’m not seeking interviews with people in UFOlogy, etc.
So, thanks for the feedback, you’re free to provide more and to…help defray the expense I’ve now incurred to try to bring the Meier material a wider audience.
You like being God of your own site, I see.
Boy, you sure like to accuse wrong, on top of everything else.
I gave free advice.
Please publish all.
Bid adieu to myself also.
I was simply very open with you and everyone here.
Why not clarify, with specifics, your comment about being God of my site, accuse wrong, etc.
I gave a…FREE response, to the best of my ability.
What were your expectations?
God of your site.
Positioning yourself against all comers as an elevated consciousness being, including Melissa.
Showing your hubris in every post.
Stop it.
Control yourself.
You’re taking away from Billy Meier’s teachings and the pear the spiritual teaching.
You’re causing division.
Melissa too.
Point to: where I/we position my/our servers as “an elevated consciousness being”, the “hubris”, and “causing division” you refer to…if you want to be helpful.
By the nature of your position, you get the last say.
And you get to decide what is said publicly or censored.
It’s the nature of the position of one has their own personal discussion board (with a helper) which causes the problem.
It’s very God-like, IMO.
Best to get out of that position which is my main point.
It’s making Billy look bad, IMO.
And I don’t want that.
Which is why I’m speaking up.
Free advice.
Peace for the night and in the future even if we have disagreements.
You have had months to reflect and study and grow ,where can I read and or watch your videos and writings? I never expect anyone to be as refined as hollywood for I am not and will not try to be and a lot of them are out of work thanks to COVID.. Yet this man as old as he is trying to be honest in a digital world which is free to you if you do not care about clicks genatarting cash.If MH was worried about doing this for money we would be buried in water filter ads 1000 times a day.I have my own IMO every minute of every minute of the day but I have a foundation after much studying and verifying information that has required years of hard core research with learning the past sciences and the modifications from real findings to projected possibilities which never come ture where the real is just that fact.You are on the right path just use your inner self for a reelection point not others.
Tim,
Where have we ever elevated ourselves above others? If you’re going to make such accusations, be gracious enough to show the proof. We are normal human beings like everyone else, and we’ve never claimed otherwise.
People who study the Meier material and understand it at a deeper level never seem to get offended by the truth. That’s not an insult, it’s just a truthful observation from years of doing this work. Maybe you should ask yourself why you find the harsh truth so disagreeable when it comes from certain people. We deal with many charlatans and frauds who constantly come here and try to misrepresent the Meier material.
As far as changing our day to day operations, I don’t think we will.
I don’t find the harsh truth disagreeable.
Not when Billy/Plejaren talk about it.
Only when you 2 do.
Anybody give me a vote on feeling looked down upon at theyflyblog.com?
Respond here and talk it out.
This isn’t an insurrection towards yourself or Melissa or Billy.
It’s advice.
Finding the harsh truth disagreeable from certain people is something you’ll have to work out for yourself.
Totally…I wrote a long, long letter to Christian and Billy about just this recently.
Many, many other feel like this, Tim. It truly is painful for numerous folks to watch.
If Michael and Melissa really absorbed the teachings, they would not treat others the way they do.
They aren’t even parroting them, which they are absolutely not doing…but truly parodying the teachings. It is alarming and frightening.
It is the antithesis of what the mission stands for.
Btw, in the interest of transparency, why don’t you tell us how much money was donated to your site in 2022? I’m curious…
You haven’t said one thing in all the time you’ve been coming here that represents the truth or the mission. Instead, you constantly insinuate that you are a chosen one with special inside knowledge that no one else is privy to. Did you tell Christian and Billy about your special mission?
When people make such absurd claims, they will be asked to provide evidence. You are free to say and do whatever you want, but we are free to not post it when it’s a blatant contradiction to the truth. People need to ask themselves WHY the harsh truth bothers them when it comes from certain people.
I don’t want to argue with MH or you…it is no use.
And lots of people are privy to this knowledge.
There’s only one mission, Rex, and the knowledge is publicly available to anyone who wants to participate. There’s no secret knowledge imparted to you by the Plejaren or any other group of extraterrestrials. Every single person who comes here is equally valuable to the mission, if they choose to participate in it.
Putting Billy or the Plejaren up on a pedestal as some sort of God-like figures has made people unable to hear the harsh truth unless it comes from them. I’ve even heard people suggest that Christian Frehner doesn’t know what he’s talking about, when clearly, he’s very wise. It will be a long time before we have true equality on this planet because the religious delusion is so pervasive and entrenched in a majority of the thoughts and feelings. I suggest you reassess your perceptions and beliefs.
If you received a response from Christian, please post it here.
Tell us how much money was donated to your site in 2022.
Do you work for free? Is Michael expected to do all his work without any compensation? I think there’s a term for that.
If you think Michael sits around getting wealthy off of blog donations, you really are delusional. Michael has worked his A$$ off for decades to bring this information to whiners like you. Most of the time it has been out of his own pocket and a labor of love. He has never required that anyone donates, yet he still carries on with his work. In the distant future he and many others will be vindicated but, until then, I guess the truth-tellers will have to deal with abuse from spooks, charlatans and frauds.
I don’t know you from a bar o’ soap, Tim Thomas, yet, I’m inclined to ask, are you somewhat diminishing those who study, research, and greatly benefit by the material on this blog, let alone the invaluable source stemming from Meier, and everyone at FIGU? What caliber of advice do you offer yourSELF on a daily basis?
It’s possibly slightly inappropriate to quote the following statement from the original Star Trek tv series, but, I will include the familiar Spock statement: “<strong>Logic clearly dictates that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few</strong>.” Captain Kirk answers, “Or the one.”
Peace
I agree on all you said Tim,
M,Horn deserves a lott of credit for al his hard work,and i respect him a lott
But this way of discusing on this forum is a bad very bad thing because of the censoringfrom both of them.
But then we or at least me and many otrher so called earth humans and stuppid earth humans.
Btww the same happens on figu
Please provide examples/evidence of censoring.
haha,thats funny. Please give me acces to your WP backend then
YOU decide what goes.
What is acceptable or not.
Like a God looking over the discussion board.
Or Melissa.
I understand the nature of the position.
I think you and Melissa could do more good if you both weren’t in the position to have to put yourselves there.
Therein lies the problem.
In my opinion.
The he answer in my opinion is to take yourselves out of that role so you can do things a better way.
Free advice.
Your comments here are a bit confusing. When you have a forum, someone monitors it. You still haven’t been very specific.
I don’t know that you’re right or wrong, because I don’t know exactly what specific comments, etc., you’re referring to.
Who else anywhere in the world when it comes to the Billy Meier case has gained a personal following?
And interprets Billy Meier’s prophecies to a level that he would never do?
Only you in America.
(By the way, your power to publish things in a conversation, and then make the conversation like you want it instead of approving and publishing responses in the correct order of time, definitely is an authoritarian feature of what you have created.)
I’ve said my peace.
I’m not going to any news source to talk about you.
I don’t even have anyone really that I would talk to within FIGU, other than you.
I’m not out to take you down and will pursue this conversation no further after today.
I would prefer you don’t write an article degrading me through insinuation and other tricks, like you normally do to those who try to challenge you to think.
Publish everything I wrote in the correct order, say what you want, and I won’t respond.
I’m tired from giving a lot of free advice.
I’m moving over to futureofmankind as my English language source.
I can’t keep coming here.
Good luck for real.
If you ever wipe out the discussion board that is dragging the Billy Meier material into discussions on your site that are so crazy people will be scared off, I’ll be back.
Let this be a blip in time and not an opportunity to destroy someone else using the power of the tool you have created at theyflyblog.
The discussion board forum and how it is currently moderated leads to a cult like following.
You and Melissa being the leaders, who everyone has to go through and deal with.
The format I recommended would eliminate that and once you and Melissa break your addiction to your position of authority that you both have created for yourselves,
Then maybe you and her can get back on track.
Melissa and yourself, through your discussion board, have placed yourselves into a level of authority above other free minded individuals.
Billy doesn’t do it like Melissa and yourself are.
Billy doesn’t have/moderate a forum on a blog.
You’ve made yourself your own religion, Michael Horn.
In my substantiated opinion.
With Melissa your king of court.
Best of both worlds, Gods and Kings.
Just a thought Tim, in terms of your comments, do you think you’ve set a good example here?
You voiced opinions, criticisms, etc., but you ‘ve been unresponsive to requests to give specifics. Instead you just repeat and/or elaborate on your general complaints They may or may not be viewed the same way by everyone. But who knows? You don’t articulate them.
So, since we’re obviously not censoring you, are you perhaps abundantly demonstrating why…we should’ve? Like maybe after the first six or so?
I mean, all the talk about God-like, religious, imperious, cultic behavior…and here you are demonstrating the opposite. As well as your inability to show us what you’re complaining about.
I’m abundantly cautious when I see this pattern.
I’ve learned it from experience.
You’ve done a lot of good and are still doing good.
But your negatives are getting in the way.
If you look back on my first advice it was to get rid of it.
This doesn’t strengthen Billy Meier’s message.
You’ve screwed up.
Maybe I did a little tonight by trying to get a point across but so be it, but I enjoyed speaking my mind.
Just sharing my thoughts publicly on theyflyblog.com and giving my advice.
When you publish it once every 3 post or so.
Let your readers decide.
Futureofmankind may be a better resource, in my opinion.
If you are paying the bills from trying to express yourself would you even answer this comment? Really are you sending in one dime to play here? At least the PR group for JD Rockefeller loved the press of a single dime.
“ So, thanks for the feedback, you’re free to provide more and to…help defray the expense I’ve now incurred to try to bring the Meier material a wider audience.”
Hmmm.
Just like all the other preachers.
I’ll still buy Billy’s books through you even if I can’t get them elsewhere.
I’ve been helping.
You do not know my situation.
You are in a state of Gewalt.
Oh really? Have I ever asked you for anything…like the preachers you’re now trying to conflate me with?
So, a response to your criticisms isn’t welcome unless, what, I bow down and apologize for being me?
I don’t know your situation any more than you know mine. So what?
“So, thanks for the feedback, you’re free to provide more and to…help defray the expense I’ve now incurred to try to bring the Meier material a wider audience.“
I know a sales pitch when I see it.
Been there, done that.
The preachers and gurus and shamans all do it in similar fashion.
If you took offense and think that’s a “sales pitch” you’re really reaching.
“So, thanks for the feedback, you’re free to provide more and to…help defray the expense I’ve now incurred to try to bring the Meier material a wider audience.“
I gave a huge amount of the money I had to “the church(s)”.
Sorry I don’t have enough to relieve you of the expenses you have occurred.
There are no demands, nor implied obligations.
People are free to say what they want, give or not give, etc. I’ve always presumed that those who want to, and can, will, and those who can’t won’t. The effort continues on the basis of the desire to do the work, and trusting that I’ll be able to continue.
I’m still here.
“Imagine all the people, living life in peace . . .”
Michael, from my perch, and, most assuredly, many others too, you’ve never had to defend yourself, and. Terry Carch would agree to the “ditto” I embed in this comment. The mutual respect we all share also includes the upstanding efforts put forth by Melissa . . bar none!
Salome
I think this was great advise,and i dont understand why you figu people are getting angry about what Tim said.
You asked for this ,and then you try to put him in the same category as me and other stuppid earth humans.
As you can see, we have a Complaint Department. Tim certainly has quite a presence here. So, perhaps other people have some…complaints about Tim’s perspective. That’s part of the process.
So, here you are complaining too. It looks to me like the process is working.
Angry? Are you reading the replies on this blog? I haven’t seen any anger or hatred in the replies to Tim.
Asked for what? Can you be specific about what we asked for? Is that kind of like someone asking to be mugged because they dared to walk down the street at night? How dare people live their lives in peace, love, harmony and freedom.
FWIW . . although I wouldn’t really describe myself as a complaining participant, or, more precisely, one with tiresome needless, repetitive ‘heated complaints’, I think I AM rationally realistic enough to admit, that, in the past, I have submitted a few comments re: [repetitive] squabbling brought about by variations in blog member views, be it debunking Meier outright, or, anything related to irrational counter viewpoints against what is published by the owner and/or administrative webmaster on this blog. Although I generally respect everyone’s viewpoints, I do not hold much respect for viewpoints that are clearly tainted by perceptions governed by thinking attached to the nipple of institutionalized bias, be it religious, political, scientific, etc.
Above stated, I am very tired of people who think they can appear on this blog using different blog member names, where it is obviously clear such has been evidenced, and continues to be evidenced. I simply find it all wastes time with respect to how ‘the mission’ is defined!
All of the above contributed, I, for one, find this blog, and what it represents to the world, to be of utmost importance to evolution of human consciousness! So, if anyone misperceives my contribution here as a complaint, indeed, it’s your choice.
To say this blog deserves more rational, reasonable attention is nothing short of an understatement!
After a short-lived pause, my humble donation effort recommences today.
Peace be on Earth, and among all beings.
I can’t send people to your site because of your discussion board and your condemnation attitude to everyone you write about.
We’re all guilty as earthlings in this planet right now but you condemn pretty near everybody on the planet.
Billy tells the truth about what is.
But he doesn’t condemn.
He even calls people stupid in a no condemning way because he explains what he means, numerous times.
Billy is always loving, as you know.
That is not what comes through with the condemning tone of your articles and through this discussion board.
I’d work on that if I were you.
Believe me I have plenty to work on.
I say all this as a human being speaking his mind.
I don’t care if you publish this or not, it’s up to you.
I’m not looking for a public back and forth.
I HATE them.
Maybe make the discussion board private and have people register but them you and Melissa still have the same idiocy to respond to in the same form.
If you change the format you may be able to make it easier on yourselves while still doing good.
Idea: Melissa contributes articles.
Former discussion board members publish articles that you may publish on your site(s).
Melissa, it must be exhausting.
In trying to explain to people the Billy Meier material you come off as putting yourself above others.
Others who you were once.
Michael, you’re great on video but your writing style is abrasive, if you haven’t noticed.
Billy, even though he talks about the worst things, still delivers it in a neutral positive way.
I can’t do it, but I can recognize it.
Combine they fly and they fly blog together into one and make it an open place that you and Melissa welcome people to.
Maybe partner up with UK and make it easy for people to search for any term.
At futureofmankind, not to your old articles.
If Clayton (I think it’s his name) from Redacted saw the previous article you wrote about him he would never have let you on.
And wouldn’t in the future if he saw the article, likely.
Turn over a new leaf.
Free advice. (Because it might not have value to you, but I think it should.)
First, Clayton Morris DID read the article I wrote and he was enormously gracious in explaining how deluged he is with emails (which is why mine may have gotten lost, etc.) AND that he wanted to do an interview about the Meier contacts.
If ever there was a good result from a “negative” cause, this was it.
As for an abrasive writing style, honestly, with a combined 1,800+ plus articles on the old site and the blog, that run the gamut stylistically, tone-wise, etc., how does one NOT yell “Fire!” in this theater?
If you say so.
I didn’t know it but didn’t think Clayton would respond that way.
Most of the e-mails you have posted when people you have responded to end up being nasty in return, just like your article about Clayton.
I can’t remember exactly what you said and I don’t want to go back but usually you judge people about money as the reason they won’t talk about Billy after you degrade them in your article.
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Yell fire through interviews and articles.
This discussion board is not beneficial, IMO, to the cause.
Let Melissa write articles amd both of you aren’t flying off the cuff all the time.
You both don’t have to play king and queen to the site to the point people expect you to be a couple.
Even though I understand that is not that case at all.
Anybody think there is free speech at theyflyblog?
up yes.
no.
You run this site alot like YouTube or FaceBook.
Your right,funny how suporters of Mr Horn and Mellissa show likes and your not,so they even remove the like that somebody gives you.
Where do you see Likes and Dislikes? Are you sure you’re referring to this blog?
Dislikes are not there but should be,but a smiley face i do see to like a post.
When you start your own blog, you can add likes, dislikes, stars, smiley faces and little hearts. 🙂
And we won’t…complain about that!
So, you were complaining about something that isn’t true. Not surprising.
It sure is nice to sit back in your chair and constantly complain, throw false accusations and unfairly criticize others when you obviously don’t know how a blog works.
bla bla Melissa,i made my points before about this subject.
Its because i see this post of Tim and agree with what he said.
I also agree on what he said about all the amazing good and hard work and effort M Horn put in,and latly you.
but i dont agree on how things are done,
I said it before,The Ps and mr Meier did not want the whole world to know about the Ps and the teachings.
Reason now why al the things predicted are comming to fullfilment.
im not at all happy on how the Ps have been handeling this ,and not only talking about this time but also of all the other prophets.
Its like relgion in the malking all over again. The new age relgion is right on the corner
The galactic federation of light !!
Stuppid earth humans right
Please provide evidence that Meier and the Plejaren didn’t want the world to know about the teachings.
At least now you have your own little complainers corner where you can moan, gripe and whine about all the terrible things done to you by the Plejaren, Billy, Michael, FIGU and whoever else you falsely accuse. Yes, Earth humans are stupid. Let’s cry about it instead of trying to fix it.
Its simple,they cant or did not want to much atention because they needed to complete the mission. ( Bringing the spirutual teachings AGAIN and writing the books and CRs with invaluable information.
Mr Meier and Ptaah have disccused this a few times
The group that controls ( almost )the whole world is to strong and already tried to kill Mr Meier a few times.
Now its the 7th and last time and we all know why,ww4 and 2036 is not far away.
This is all about the spirutual teachings !!
The smal amount of earth humans that where able to find the Meier case and see the truth and learn are the fortunate ones,
You’re blaming the wrong people for keeping the Meier case suppressed. Billy and the Plejaren tried to contact all the governments of the world when the mission first started. The information was suppressed due to stupid, power-hungry and religious Earth humans.
At a certain point, you’ll have to accept the fact that we are mostly to blame for the world situation. Saying that people don’t know is not a good excuse. People are unknowing because they are unthinking. You and I and all the others who study the material found the mission because we were actively searching (thinking) for the truth. And when we found it, we didn’t just blow it off because some of the pictures were faked or looked too good to be true. We did what a real scientist or researcher would do and delved into the material, researched it and thought it through. We know that the evidence is overwhelming.
If you accept the evidence and the mission, why do you keep blaming others instead of realizing that everything starts with yourself? It is only when we start with ourselves that the effect will begin to expand outwards and cause a snowball effect.
I know you will ignore my advice, but I think you should read this in its entirety.
“If one wants to see humanity change, then one must begin with the change in himself.”
Progress
“ At least now you have your own little complainers corner where you can moan, gripe and whine about all the terrible things done to you by the Plejaren, Billy, Michael, FIGU and whoever else you falsely accuse.”
This is going too far.
The spiritual teaching does not support this kind of response, I don’t think. (Although I’m guilty of wrong responses, too, I am not a moderator and I am not part of Billy’s American representative team.)
I complain.
Maybe you’re unaware that this person is a chronic complainer that constantly blames the Plejaren and Jews for all the problems in the world.
Like I said before, you’ll have to figure out why the truth bothers you when it comes from certain people.
The Creation-teaching supports the cold, harsh truth.
Billy:
That is easily said, that I should again take away all material and the teaching and writings from these forgers, schemers and thieves, sneaks, and whatever else they all are that is otherwise evil. They are altogether so maliciously evil, nasty, and dirty that they could not care less for what is right, for respect, truth, and justice, and they all step into depravity with their feet. I have, indeed, demanded everything back from all of them, but just unsuccessfully. One might almost think that all of America is animated and inhabited by such degenerates, but it proves itself time and again that in this country, there are still human beings who truly and honestly deserve the designation of human being, even though these human beings seem to be rather scarce. But they are actually there. And because they are there, in addition to the dog-cunts, sneaks, crooks, thieves, deceivers, liars, and swindlers, I cannot simply cram everyone into the same dirty hat; rather, I must differentiate and at least provide our material and the teaching of the spirit to those who are deserving, who honestly and also sincerely search for the truth and for the light and who are willing to recognise the truth, to acknowledge it, and to follow it. But this refers not only to human beings who are Americans but also to citizens of other countries, out of which swindlers, liars, deceivers, and the like emerge, in terms of alleged contacts with you or with other life-forms from other planets or alleged connections and alleged contacts with higher spirit levels and so forth, whereby especially Germany, Italy, Spain, Mexico, France, and South American countries stand out, besides America. But by the fact that I and we ourselves must take a stand against all of these liars and deceivers, schizophrenics and lunatics and other insane human beings using harsh words; we waste a lot of strength and initiative, which we could use for better things, and above all, for the spreading of the teaching of the truth and for the fulfilment of the mission. Nevertheless, we must try to reach all those human beings who truthly strive for and search for the effective and actual truth, but who are misled by all the liars and deceivers, etc. and who, therefore, often follow the wrong paths, namely because instead of the truth, webs of lies, as well as filthy and vulgar lies and distortions of the truth, are served to them as tasty morsels by the lunatics, delusional sick human beings, charlatans, liars and deceivers, by the schizophrenics, megalomaniacs, and the validity addicts, and by the crazy and unbelievable scum, whereby those who are sincerely endeavouring are misled and sometimes even driven to insanity, not to mention that they must still pay exorbitant sums for the mendacious and fraudulent machinations of the greedy liars and deceivers, etc. and that they are exploited to the bitter end.
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_233
Billy doesn’t talk to people the way you do.
At least not anywhere in the Contact Reports that I’ve read.
Certainly not personally.
And if he does say harsh things about a person he qualifies it with the explanation that he is not attacking the dignity of the human being himself/herself, just the wrong beliefs and bad behavior. (I’m paraphrasing.)
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I’m not aware of this person’s history.
I don’t need to be.
My complaint was to your response.
“At least now you have your own little complainers corner where you can moan, gripe and whine about all the terrible things done to you by the Plejaren, Billy, Michael, FIGU and whoever else you falsely accuse. Yes, Earth humans are stupid. Let’s cry about it instead of trying to fix it.”
This is a snide, belittling, demeaning, disrespectful thing to say.
Kind of like this:
“Like I said before, you’ll have to figure out why the truth bothers you when it comes from certain people.”
This isn’t the “truth” that you’re sharing.
There is no justification for remarks like these, and many many other similar remarks I’ve read from you to many different human beings over the last couple of years.
Especially in the role you have as moderator of a forum on the website of the American representative to FIGU.
Could you imagine if a moderator from a corporate complaint department belittled the complaintant in a similar manner?
You’d probably be upset at the corporation, I would.
It would turn me away from dealing with that corporation in the future for sure.
Seeing as you play a pretty leading role in the American representation of FIGU, I would expect more out of you than a corporate employee at minimum.
Tim,
These are your issues. I’m a normal human being whose role is no higher or lesser than yours. Maybe THAT’s where you should start. Stop putting certain people up on pedestals.
I simply made a truthful statement that didn’t question the dignity of any human being. Whatever it is that YOU don’t like about me or Michael is something you’ll have to work out for yourself. Asking or demanding that other people change to fit your narrative and views has no bearing on us. The truth is the truth regardless of who says it, and the statement that I made was the truth.
My only complaint towards Michael would be sometimes he is too demeaning in his articles on individuals, like the one on Clayton Morris before Michael got the interview.
I thought it would burn bridges.
I haven’t put you on a pedestal, you’ve put yourself there.
I have nothing against you other than the snide remarks I’ve constantly read from you for at least a couple of years.
(Not all of your remarks or even most, just sometimes but…)
This is where I voice that complaint, right?
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”The truth is the truth regardless of who says it, and the statement that I made was the truth.”
What I’ve said about your demeaning responses is the truth.
“Like I said before, you’ll have to figure out why the truth bothers you when it comes from certain people.”
I didn’t say it before like you, but I’ll say the same to you now.
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I understand, complaint denied.
I haven’t put myself on any pedestal. You’re free to think otherwise.
Your complaint was approved like all the others, so that would be approved. Again, you’re free to think otherwise, as are we.
If the complaint is accepted, then I’ve nothing more to complain about.
May your kindness shine through into the future.
Salome
And may you find peace in yours.
Tim . . please define [pedestal!] Billy Meier doesn’t want one. Christian Frehner, and, many others associated at the Center don’t want one, Michael doesn’t want one, Melissa certainly doesn’t need one, so, the majority consensus on this blog would probably be, get real with yourself . . come down off of whatever your painfully delusional loftiness struggles to interface with!
Peace
You, and others who come here to ‘heat things up’ have no grounds to speak on behalf of what Billy Meier is, or, isn’t!
I do hope the vicious circle of b.s. ceases here on this blog of truth!
This proves you will always return, Tim . . . you stated earlier you can’t continue, you won’t suggest others to the blog. Why? because you choose to feed fuel to the fire of your vicious circle of b.s. I’m actually acquiescing to fueling your fires . . and you like it! It’s a typical weakness in the altered ego of Earthbound humanity. You want to intimidate and interrogate . . all the while slipping in the poor me b.s.
It’s possible that my paragraph won’t be be published, just to save me from wasting my time!
You’re clearly using a mistaken emphasis in a specific context . . . commonly known as ‘barking up the wrong tree’ . . in fact, in the midst of this blog thread, I can see those at the base of that tree standing alone in the middle of a ‘clearcut surrounding’ of unreasonableness.
You speak as if the truth is yours to define, but all the while wasting time and energy. You want the truth, well, you resemble the dog that has chased it’s [prey] up a tree, but the dog’s [game] escapes by leaping from one tree to another.
When you start your own blog, you can add likes, dislikes, stars, smiley faces and little
hearts. https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/14.0.0/svg/1f642.svg
2 this is 2 likes right? whos lying here ? or im i the only stuppid earth human to see this ?
It means…you’re happy and you know it…clap your hands.
Do you have a legitimate complaint? Complaining about smiley faces and accusing people of stealing them is not a legitimate complaint.
Ohh brother, ohh sister, ohh Melissa! The curmudgeonly complainers are in full swing—cannot help themselves from taking full advantage of the new complaint department.
Curmudgeonly! That’s a great word that I haven’t heard for while. It’s also very fitting.
Hurry up everybody, everybody post until the important questions go away into the dustbins of theyflyblog history.
Anybody give me a vote on feeling looked down upon at theyflyblog.com?Tim, in several of your paragraphs in the above thread, we can read your so-called advice directed toward MH:
“Retire the discussion board, it must be way too stressful.
Not because you can’t handle the challenges.
Because at this point you could be more productive with your time.”
. . . added to your statements:
“You’ve made yourself your own religion, Michael Horn.
In my substantiated opinion.
With Melissa your king of court.
Best of both worlds, Gods and Kings.”
“I’m not out to take you down and will pursue this conversation no further after today.”
“I would prefer you don’t write an article degrading me through insinuation and other tricks, like you normally do to those who try to challenge you to think.”
“Publish everything I wrote in the correct order, say what you want, and I won’t respond. I’m tired from giving a lot of free advice.
I’m moving over to future of mankind as my English language source.”
“I can’t keep coming here.”
“I can’t send people to your site because of your discussion board and your condemnation attitude to everyone you write about.”
All the while you ask other members:
“Anybody give me a vote on feeling looked down upon at theyflyblog.com?”
. . . and more recent in the above:
“I don’t care if you publish this or not, it’s up to you.
I’m not looking for a public back and forth.
I HATE them.”
Be real with yourSELF, Tim! The truth might reveal that YOU WILL BE BACK to the blog, in one guise or ‘nother. You’ll likely continue to read other member responses to your demanding criticisms, and, ‘poor ME’ statements. Why? Because you seemingly, yet, confusingly, need to gauge your perceptions through a lens of what others might share with you. I will offer some known guises in a psychological sense. People who are out of touch with spiritual self identity [in context with Meier’s wisdoms] can typically display attitudes that emanate from an unfortunate platform of misunderstanding.
Do you recognize the energies behind ‘intimidation’, ‘interrogation’, the ‘aloof’, and, ‘poor me’ characteristics? Imagine a room full of people burdened with those ‘characteristics, attempting to logically, reasonably, rationally, discuss something /anything of value, holding to a respect for neutrality, harmony, etc. It likely ain’t gonna happen!
I handled that terribly.
I was out of control of the good human nature and just let unformed thoughts roll out of my fingers.
It’s why I hate confrontation.
Especially with the ease of typing instead of saying it to one’s face or on the phone, I have a fault of just letting go sometime.
I have to work on it.
Based on experience, I do think the discussion board sets up a religion like structure.
Billy’s the “God”, which he is based on the elevated consciousness historical definition of “God”.
Michael is a preacher of God/Billy with his own little unique denomination, and his own interpretations of the Bible/Contact Reports/Prophecies.
There is a small group of loyal members that attend church regularly to “lift each other up.”
Newbies investigating the church must not ask certain questions or doubt.
If they ask a question that isn’t an easy answer they’re told to go read the Bible/Contact Reports themselves to avoid answering.
I’m just using the above as a form, not saying it’s actually exactly like that.
But it’s the same structure.
Caused by the structure of the discussion board.
Not by anybody trying to do the wrong thing.
I apologize once again, Michael and Melissa, for being so uncouth with some unfounded accusations.
I was in Gewalt, not you Michael.
You were right John.
I am back in one form or another.
I will read Michael’s blog and listen to his videos and buy books and support him more if I can.
For my own peace I will stay away from the discussion board.
Hi Tim,
Thanks for writing.
We can learn a number of things from well-handled disagreements, challenges, etc.
I think we should consider that we have a forum, which requires people to moderate it to, at the very least, eliminate spam, commercials, unrelated material, abusive content, etc.
Like any other forum, we have a focus on an overall topic, in this case the Billy Meier material.
I see the forum as an opportunity for people to discuss the material and express their opinions, agreements, disagreements, etc. There is no intention to “lift each other up” in some religious, cultic way. What’s essentially uplifting is having people discuss material that is both uplifting and unique, as well as challenging in many ways, and that doesn’t promote beliefs, hierarchies, favoritism, politics, religion, etc.
I completely disagree about so-called “newbies” – or anyone else – not being “allowed” to pose challenges, questions, doubts, etc. If you have some particular incidents in mind, please do share them and let’s find out what they are.
Regarding telling people to read the CR instead of answering questions. please consider how many questions have been asked time and time again. Since the core of the teaching is self-responsibility, pointing people to where they can find what they’re looking for gives them the opportunity to do so. And let’s remember that either Billy Meier, some of us and/or other people have provided the information, which may or may not contain the answers, depending on the questions. But many decades of work has already been performed by people so that various websites, blogs, forums, videos, etc., are available for those who seek the material.
So yes, a discussion board has certain elements and structure but it’s meant to make things functional, user friendly, etc.
And you are also an innovator in this regard, as you helped us create a…Complaint Department!
Much appreciated,
Salome
Tim,
I would’ve suggested that you start a ‘free advice’ column, but after reading what I can only describe as confused god references, incessant badgering and complaining, no advice in any form was to be found. What you have made publicly and abundantly clear is that you harbor a great personal dissatisfaction and resentment toward Michael and Melissa and their tireless, often thankless, voluntary work in bringing the most important information to our world. When I witness a person seemingly hell-bent on ‘advising’ others that they must change this or that, or even when I recognize myself acting in this manner, Billy’s article, Ideas of Partnership, always comes to mind. This article is REAL ‘free advice’. It is in fact PRICELESS, and aptly applies to all types of relationships – off and online.
“Many humans conceive ideas of anything and are then bitterly disappointed if these do not come true. In this way, there are ideas in regard to situations, to any events, to certain things and places, to enjoyment foods, etc., and the list could endlessly continue. About what the discussion here shall be, however, is the idea that humans conceive of other humans…”
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Ideas_of_Partnership
I would suggest contacting Christian directly:
Info@figu.org
Also, here is my email if you want to connect:
rexresa@gmail.com
Aloha and Piku,
-rex resa
Rex,
I, not being a FIGU member (I’m so gunshy from my religious past I don’t want to become a member of anything)
would not want to file an official complaint anywhere.
I’ve said enough on Mr. Horn’s blog.
Even though I’m not a FIGU member I still want to support the mission.
And Michael is trying his best to do that, too, and has done more than I ever will.
I’m going to let Michael be Michael and support him from the background, and not say anything more on the blog (or anywhere) that will cause a seeker to turn away.
Tim Thomas, it sounds like you want others to be held to a higher standard than you’ve admitted you can’t even hold yourself to? Until you can, all I see is your constant criticism of people who you mischaracterize. Weird that I don’t feel anything like you do when I read Melissa’s helpful posts. I don’t find Michael’s posts and articles abrasive like you claim. You must be easily offended? Maybe work on yourself? If you don’t like the blog, no one is forcing you to read it.
Have a good day!
For the record…
I can be Queen of the Curmudgeons… especially at a certain “time of the month”, but one thing is sure… it never makes for a pleasant situation.
A wise man once wrote: “There’s a difference between voicing constructive criticisms and disagreements as to factual accuracies, discrepancies, etc., and being argumentative, complaining and an overall curmudgeon.”
I happened to read these two sections of Arahat Athersata just after the recent complaint department kerfuffle, and think the wisdom conveyed can positively benefit anyone looking to improve their communication, understanding, mode of thinking, approach, etc.
Page 142-148, 542.-578.
by Arahat Athersata (Coming to terms with the Harsh Truth, and understanding why it is conveyed the way it is.)
Page 286-290, 396.-418.
by Billy Meier (Our thinking form is key.)
Now, to lighten the mood… and just in time for Halloween !!!
Coming to a theater near you… two Uncult Classic Remakes:
The Three Curmudgeons
starring Jim Carrey, Zach Galifianakis, and Jason Bateman
Curmudgeons
starring Grumpy Cat as Gizmo
“do not expose the curmudgeon to light, especially sunlight, which will kill it; do not let it come in contact with water; and above all, never feed it after midnight.”
Truth is…
We all must beware the Curmudgeon, for it lurks within…
24/7 curmudgeon, “time of the month” curmudgeon, chunky curmudgeon, Siamese curmudgeon, “case of the Mondays“ curmudgeon, balding curmudgeon, skinny curmudgeon, terrible two’s curmudgeon, 6ft curmudgeon, curly haired curmudgeon, the elusive double decker curmudgeon curmudgeon, to name just a few…
Happy evolving everyone, Salome.
Let me see if I understand this department correctly.
If a person disagrees, objects or complains about the blog and has not received a response he/she posts it here so that it can be brought up Michael and Melissa’s attention.
I simply cannot imagine that there should be a complaint. I have only received the best from the blog, Michael and Melissa. Where else would I have colleagues who dedicate so much time to truly helping their country? If there is another team out there, please let me know and I’ll be the first one to sign up. Until then, I will stay here.
I do see, however, innumerable complaints from the people who post. It is as if they speak of things without doing prior research, thinking and respecting those who bring the information to the public. I cannot do that. If I were to embarrass myself in such a way I would find a hole in the wall, crawl in it and never come out.
I understand it takes a strong stamina to digest all that is being presented on the blog. Also, since the blog points out US profiteers, charlatans, phony people, etc, there is lack of cultural understanding if a blog member does not live in the country. One has to live the day to day live of North America to have a full scope of its culture, lifestyle, politics, language and many other things. This cannot be done from outside of the country because the full picture is not present.
So that I don’t put the blog to the side and do myself a disfavor, I have had to fight the battles within myself first. As I was doing that not once did I think not to trust Michael and Melissa.
In the end, the battle is within ourselves. If we can work on this FIRST before anything else then the rest will follow correctly. It’s not easy to cross over to the light. But as Billy says “Where there is light, it’s brighter”.
Salome
I saw the interview on Redacted, which was great! I actually have a life long fascination with UFOs and came across the Billy Meier case as a teenager and thought it was real, based on the photographic evidence. Then listened to all the debnukers and doubted it for a decade. But these days know it is real, although I came across the next people who had contact with the Taygetan Pleiadians and an off-shoot species the Swaruunians. I was wondering if those who are part of this community were aware that these ETs had gone on to make another extensive contact, with even more information than the Billy Meier case.
If not, it can all be accessed at swaruu.org and they mention Billy Meier many times over the years and talk about how Semjase injured herself on her last contact with Billy. Actually, I also enjoyed Fred Bell’s book, The Promise in which he also has contact with a human looking ET called Semjase. So it’s clear that these ETs have been making a contact and popping up in human history for quite some time!
Anyone who claims to have been in extensive contact with the Plejaren are not being honest. They have repeatedly explained that the only contact person on Earth is Billy Meier. Aside from a few people who saw the Plejaren at different times in the past, they have not had any contacts with other Earth humans.
Ptaah: …And one also has to say now, that when flying machines as well as telemeter discs originating from outer space are seen, then these belong only to us Plejarens and our federation. Contacts with earthlings do not take place, and apart from the contact with you, no other contacts exist. That will only change when other beings foreign to earth land openly and take up contacts, which will only happen then when we have left.
Billy: Indeed, disappointing. – Everything, therefore, is nonsense and idle talk, as to the claims made by many people that they have been having contacts with extraterrestrials and would continue in such, and had and would have the opportunity to fly with them in spaceships or claim that the possibility of channelling or telepathic contacts, and so on was given.
Ptaah: This is absolutely true. – Channelling is pure nonsense, and everyone claiming to be capable of telepathy is not capable of it. In fact, it is really as you say, for in one instance only, a true contact between a human being foreign to earth and a human being of earth is given, and that is between you and us.
https://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/FIGU_Special_Bulletin_25
What great extents the frauds and liars will go to in their attention and profit-seeking. So now we either have a bunch of collaborators to create a non-existent “team” or perhaps some faked computer work. I shudder to think of what a mess they’ve made plagiarizing Meier’s information.
Fred Bell was also a stone cold liar, no surprise.
I wonder how long it will be before we see faked UFO photos and films from these, gasp, “Pleiadians”.
Apparently, while Richard knows that Meier’s evidence is real, he’s decided to promote some delusional quacks, with no evidence, who claim to be in contact with non-existent “Pleiadians”, etc.
The truth and the true teaching are never enough for the …materialistic, charlatans, poseurs and phonies who damn themselves with their exploitation of others.
As for your introducing swaruu.org to this blog . . I will attach a very descriptive term ‘hogwash’ . . or, take your pick from a descriptive list of synonyms:
Thanks John,
Obviously the Swineuurians and their “Pleaidian” pals will be thrilled to add these words to their self-promoting swill.
Hey, I saw you on Redacted. You said you answer all emails. I wanted to ask a question but can’t find an email address on this site. Can you direct me to it please? Thank you
Hi Adam,
Here it is:
michael@theyfly.com
Can you stop lying about Russia and please look at real news porfavor,im sick and tired of al this BS and lies of the msm outlets.
Putin never said he wil use nuclear weapons,and if Russia realy wanted they could have destroyed Ukraine months ago.
Russia is trying to minimize human and civilian casualties,they are not as evil as you hypocritical hillbilieworldpolice that are nation destroyers and robbers of national resources
Look at what the US has done the last years and especialy in Syria and Irak
Not everyone in the U.S. is “evil as you hypocritical hillbilieworldpolice,” so lay off the name calling of individual people. You know as well as anyone else who comes here that the good and peaceful people have absolutely no power to change the agenda of the dark leadership, at least not for the time being. And the world is full of evil people, so it’s not only found in the USA. Russia and Ukraine are both equally guilty of killing innocent human beings, regardless of the reasons. Wars and invasions are never the correct path no matter who is doing it.
hypocritical is what most learn in school there with that crazy american fake dream,ofcourse not all are brainwashed but its a very small amount of people.
You only have to watch the US media outlets to understand how bad the situacion is there.
For example fox news is moving away from fake news about Russia but in the meantime they are trying to make china the bad guy.
Its always somethig there,they always point fingers to others.
As we speak they are trying to destroy Europe. I have no good words left for this people
Look at for example the difference in people when you watch programs like Mastercheff USA or from any other country,the diference in people is a lot. Arrogance is key.
always war and killing on there minds to protect that fake american dream.Most of them always belief that they are the smartest around.
Allways the same story,with our vetrans our this and our that.
I say its a shthole ,and the cause of to many deads worldwide,Spanish Flu made by Americans,Covid19 well i can go on and on.
so stop blaming this evil Russians and wake up.
In wars innocent people get killed that is true,but it was not Russia that started this and it was not Russia or Putin that invaded so many nations after ww2
Now you and others are trying to put the Russians at the same level as those nazis of Ukraine ,but there is a hughe diference,more then hughe.
Maybe ask the Ps the watchers what they see,because i see Russia as the good guy in this story
But the Ps where mistaken also in Syria,so i doubt they wil give a true story about Putin
You continue to miss the point. Stop calling people names, or your comments won’t be approved. It also doesn’t matter who started what, killing people is wrong no matter who is doing it.
Also, going forward, conspiratorial claims won’t be approved.
The Spanish Flu was not made by Americans. It came from wild birds…in America.
Billy:
…Concerning the bird epidemic, has something new come up – we are not hearing anything about it at the moment? Has it all calmed down, or is it the calm before the storm? Yes, you once said that something like this happened in 1918, when the Spanish flu began to spread and killed many millions of humans. Yes, this so-called flu was also a kind of bird epidemic, which mutated in such a way that it spread to humans, if I understood you correctly when we talked about it once.
Ptaah:
30. It is of correctness that the so-called Spanish flu was a mutated bird epidemic, and indeed there was the phenomenon that there was a calm before the storm, as you say, before the epidemic really broke out on a large scale.
31. However, as far as the bird epidemic as it exists today is concerned, there is not yet any indication that an epidemic or even a pandemic is imminent, because first the relevant mutations of the pathogens that cause the disease would have to be created, which could be dangerous to humans on a large or very large scale.
https://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_465
Billy:
This, such as the Spanish flu, which according to earthly figures claimed 50 million lives, but according to your figures claimed around 70 million. This Spanish flu epidemic, which actually arose from a traditional bird flu, originated in Kansas in the USA when wild birds infected domestic ducks and chickens and then human beings. From the USA, the disease was then introduced into Europe…
https://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_819
And finally, please point to the exact place where we compared Russians to NAZIS, or blamed them. Maybe you should read more of what the Plejaren actually say instead of making things up. Most of what you wrote is made up nonsense.
Hi, does Michael have a public email address? I just saw his interview with Redacted from last September. Great stuff. I would like to ask a few questions. I’m not a journalist. I just have an interest in the topic. Thanks.
Yes: michael@theyfly.com
The flight 800, I did not know about the spy. If only the truth were told about many things. The rabbit hole’s too deep now.
Maybe you’re unaware, but this page is for complaints. Thanks.
I have sent this to you numerous times. Apparently you aren’t getting it, so I will do so here. Myself, and my attorney, responded to your private emails. I am tired of you writing, so please consider this my last attempt. Any further contact can be done with my attorney as I am entirely fed up with your false accusations and your whole shtick of making accusations about me all because I don’t respond to you.
That needs to end.
Here is the message sent numerous times:
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Michael,
My lack of responses to you are based on two things:
If you continue to make allegations about me publicly and on your blog because I don’t waste further time with your emails, I will take further action and contact Ionos about your use of their servers to slander/libel others. You are free to say whatever you want under the 1st amendment; you are not, however, allowed to fabricate and slander based on fantasy and use your platform (however small it may be) to try and defame others. You now have multiple examples wherein you claim, in headlines and the body of your articles, that I said or did something I did not. You don’t run a labeled satire site, ergo your claims are false and actionable.
You can contact my attorney and cc her on any further communication – legal@theblackvault.com – but I have zero interest in discussing anything with you further, except to ask you to quit your fabrication and delusion. Anything else, have at it with your free speech, but I’m done with your false accusations all based on me not wasting my time with you.
Good day to you…
John,
I am unaware of receiving anything from your attorney.
I’ll await your attorney providing a response to my inquiry pertaining to these points, since quite obviously you can’t defend them:
1. I made it clear in the information I added, in the beginning of the video, that you first broadcast the audio in 2008 and that I recently added visuals from the film under discussion, i.e. The Silent Revolution of Truth.
2. The 2008 interview, was posted 14 years ago by someone other than you.
3. There are no copyright and/or trademark notices, licenses for music, permissions, exclusive to MrLBone or anyone else, etc., displayed anywhere.
4. None of the five segments have been removed, as of this writing and subsequent to your complaint.
5. Neither you nor MrLBone contacted me requesting my permission, neither did they notify me that the interview had been posted online.
6. This interview was of me and contains my intellectual property as well.
7. I didn’t monetize my video.
8. All of these facts refute claims of copyright and/or trademark violation andsupport my claim for Fair Use.
I have a record of your – always UNSUBSTANTIATED – defamatory attacks on Billy Meier, allegations that he’s a hoaxer, liar, etc.
What is very clear is that you’re…TERRIFIED of the factual truth about Meier’s singularly authentic contacts becoming more widely known. You’re obviously quite desperate because their existence not only reveals your utter ineptitude and irrelevance as any kind of real investigator but also shows the desperate measures to CENSOR this historically unprecedented evidence and information.
Why would you go to such extreme measures to try to assure that this interview ISN’T seen? Isn’t it strange that you are intertwined with “official” government sources…the very ones behind the massive UFO cover-up, which is still primarily about the Meier contacts?
So you threaten all kinds of legal action to block, threaten, intimidate me. In my opinion, you’re a charlatan, bully, defamer and shill for the very powers that hide the truth from humankind. You’re no different than the other book-burners throughout history.
You have NEVER presented even ONE piece of significant UFO evidence. Nor, as I’ve said, have you provided even one piece of evidence to substantiate your defamatory claims against Billy Meier, such as:
“He is perpetrating a hoax, plain and simple. No one in the UFO field pays attention to him anymore, and I am sorry you believe his stuff. Plain and simple; it’s a fantasy.”
And more here:
https://theyflyblog.com/2015/01/ufonies/
You shamelessly reveal yourself as an unscientific, immature, cowardly, frightened, blustering, impotent wimp, who can only resort to threats and Gestapo tactics.
However, I’ll continue to give you plenty of free publicity:
https://theyflyblog.com/2022/03/lue-elizondo-now-promoting-ufo-toilet-paper/
Check your spam folder then. We’ve written numerous times, and she wrote you directly earlier today.
That said – good bye.
Please provide a name/email address so I can search for it. I won’t publish it.
Good Lord, Michael. Stop email us. We keep responding, and wasting time. Part of me thinks this is what you want. Anyway, my attorney responded to you directly numerous times. Get a better email service. She was MUCH nicer than you deserve.
Here it is, YET AGAIN, as first sent last week 2023-03-17 13:52
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Dear Mr. Horn,
As a courtesy, we are happy to answer your questions. However, we are not here to spend more time than necessary to educate you on copyright law and intellectual property rights. In this case, we hope the below is helpful to you.
This is irrelevant to copyright law. Our notice to YouTube and Odysee was specified only to address the use of audio. We made it clear the visuals were not my client’s property. There are numerous case law citations that apply here that prove that regardless of adding your own intellectual property on top of someone else’s intellectual property; you have not created your own intellectual property. Audio and the visuals, remain two separate IPs. We filed our claim only on behalf of my clients portion.
This is irrelevant to copyright law.
“For a work created on or after January 1, 1978, copyright in the work exists from its creation for the life of the author plus 70 years after the author’s death. When the work is ‘a work for hire,’ the copyright exists for a term of 95 years from its publication or 120 years from its creation, whichever occurs first.”
– https://www.foster.com/assets/htmldocuments/Copyright-Guide-Noncommercial-Radio.pdf
At the time of airing, my client confirms no ads were run, and breaks consisted of licensed music. Those licenses may or may not differ from the copyright details outlined above, however, my client has documented licenses for the music run, and it is stipulated that license is granted only for blackvault.com, theblackvault.com and all social networks run by the same, with an emphasis on YouTube, in perpetuity.
This will be rectified in the coming week or two.
This will be rectified in the coming week or two.
No one needs to contact you. The interview was consensual, and you agreed to the recording to be on someone else’s intellectual property, in this case, a recorded radio broadcast. This does not afford any rights to you regarding the final product of my client. The same is true for television. When a party agrees to be filmed, that agreement does not afford them any rights to that television show in relation to IP.
It does not. An audio recording that you agreed to for another party is not your intellectual property, nor can you stake any legal claim to the recording my client created.
This is irrelevant to copyright law.
No, “fair use” does not allow for this. We recommend you find your own legal counsel to verify the fact you can not take full audio programs, complete with licensed music packages carrying their own legal requirements, and run them under the “fair use” umbrella, monetized or not.
We hope these answers are useful to you.
LN/TBV
Black Vault,
I received your response below. Thanks for the clarification on intellectual proeprty rights.
As for:
“2. The 2008 interview, was posted 14 years ago by someone other than you.” being irrelevant to copyright law, and:
3. There are no copyright and/or trademark notices, licenses fo music, permissions, exclusive to MrLBone or anyone else, etc., displayed anywhere.
This will be rectified in the coming week or two.
4. None of the five segments have been removed, as of this writing and subsequent to your complaint.
This will be rectified in the coming week or two.
You’re saying that you had no objections to the original interview being posted – without copyright and/or trademark notices, licenses – for 14 years and that you didn’t ask to have it removed, or ask the person posting it pay a share of the music licensing fees.
But you…took legal action against me, the person being interviewed for posting it.
The most interesting thing about this is how desperate Mr. Greenewald is to keep people from hearing this interview and not only my part of it…but what he is saying.
So, I’ll be generous and – without any charge to you whatsoever – freely promote MrLBone’s segmented version. I’m sure this will make Mr. Greenewald extremely happy, probably proportionate to his additional loss of whatever credibility, professionalism and integrity he may have had.
Unfortunately, it isn’t surprising that someone who masquerades as a “UFO expert, investigator, researcher”, wo has zero evidence, and an equal amount of significant information, would go to such obviously vindictive, petty and determined lengths to vainly try to suppress awareness of Billy Meier’s singularly authentic UFO contacts, still ongoing for over 80 years…and any evidence that Mr. Greenewald, at one time, admitted interest in it.
And, despite his subsequent attacking position over many years, Mr. Greenewald has never presented any substantiation for his claims, just naked envy and jealousy, while trying to portray himself as the…victim.
I’m glad to offer him further assistance.
BTW, since John gave me advice about my email service, my advice to him woul;d be to get a real attorney who isn’t ashamed to use their real name.
Sincerely,
Michael Horn
Authorized American Media Representative
The Billy Meier Contacts
Science researcher 44 years, author, documentarian, international and university lecturer
“Michael Horn is the world’s leading authority on UFOs”
George Noory, after Michael’s 22nd appearance on C2C
Some of Michael Horn’s award-winning documentaries on the Billy Meier contacts:
One of Billy Meier’s 1,200+ still irreproducible, 1959 – 1981,pre-digital UFO photos:
Good Lord, Michael. Stop email us. We keep responding, and wasting time. Part of me thinks this is what you want. Anyway, my attorney responded to you directly numerous times. Get a better email service. She was MUCH nicer than you deserve.
Here it is, YET AGAIN, as first sent last week 2023-03-17 13:52
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Dear Mr. Horn,
As a courtesy, we are happy to answer your questions. However, we are not here to spend more time than necessary to educate you on copyright law and intellectual property rights. In this case, we hope the below is helpful to you.
1. I made it clear in the information I added, in the beginning of
the video, that you first broadcast the audio in 2008 and that I
recently added visuals from the film under discussion, i.e. The
Silent Revolution of Truth.
This is irrelevant to copyright law. Our notice to YouTube and Odysee was specified only to address the use of audio. We made it clear the visuals were not my client’s property. There are numerous case law citations that apply here that prove that regardless of adding your own intellectual property on top of someone else’s intellectual property; you have not created your own intellectual property. Audio and the visuals, remain two separate IPs. We filed our claim only on behalf of my clients portion.
2. The 2008 interview, was posted 14 years ago by someone other
than you.
This is irrelevant to copyright law.
“For a work created on or after January 1, 1978, copyright in the work exists from its creation for the life of the author plus 70 years after the author’s death. When the work is ‘a work for hire,’ the copyright exists for a term of 95 years from its publication or 120 years from its creation, whichever occurs first.”
– https://www.foster.com/assets/htmldocuments/Copyright-Guide-Noncommercial-Radio.pdf
At the time of airing, my client confirms no ads were run, and breaks consisted of licensed music. Those licenses may or may not differ from the copyright details outlined above, however, my client has documented licenses for the music run, and it is stipulated that license is granted only for blackvault.com, theblackvault.com and all social networks run by the same, with an emphasis on YouTube, in perpetuity.
3. There are no copyright and/or trademark notices, licenses for
music, permissions, exclusive to MrLBone or anyone else, etc.,
displayed anywhere.
This will be rectified in the coming week or two.
4. None of the five segments have been removed, as of this writing
and subsequent to your complaint.
This will be rectified in the coming week or two.
5. Neither you nor MrLBone contacted me requesting my permission,
neither did they notify me that the interview had been posted
online.
No one needs to contact you. The interview was consensual, and you agreed to the recording to be on someone else’s intellectual property, in this case, a recorded radio broadcast. This does not afford any rights to you regarding the final product of my client. The same is true for television. When a party agrees to be filmed, that agreement does not afford them any rights to that television show in relation to IP.
6. This interview was of me and contains my intellectual property
as well.
It does not. An audio recording that you agreed to for another party is not your intellectual property, nor can you stake any legal claim to the recording my client created.
7. I didn’t monetize my video.
This is irrelevant to copyright law.
8. All of these facts refute claims of copyright and/or trademark
violation andsupport my claim for Fair Use.
No, “fair use” does not allow for this. We recommend you find your own legal counsel to verify the fact you can not take full audio programs, complete with licensed music packages carrying their own legal requirements, and run them under the “fair use” umbrella, monetized or not.
We hope these answers are useful to you.
LN/TBV
On Mar 20, 2023, at 11:20 AM, Michael Horn wrote:
Hi Un-named Attorney,
I’m still waiting for your previously sent, and unseen by me, emails, as well as your point-by-point, substantiated rebuttal to my points below.*
Considering that you’ve taken, and threatened additional, legal action against me, and my Fair Use of content that contains my intellectual property, your response is long overdue.
MH
On Mar 17, 2023, at 2:25 PM, Michael Horn wrote:
P.S. Mr. Greenewald stated that you sent me emails, which I haven’t received.
Please resend and note that my address is pr@theyfly.com
MH
* wrote:
On Mar 17, 2023, at 9:54 AM, Michael Horn
Hi,
John Greenewald has referred me to you. So, please respond to the points below that I sent to John:
1. I made it clear in the information I added, in the beginning of the video, that you first broadcast the audio in 2008 and that I recently added visuals from the film under discussion, i.e. The Silent Revolution of Truth.
2. The 2008 interview, was posted 14 years ago by someone other than you.
3. There are no copyright and/or trademark notices, licenses for music, permissions, exclusive to MrLBone or anyone else, etc., displayed anywhere.
4. None of the five segments have been removed, as of this writing and subsequent to your complaint.
5. Neither you nor MrLBone contacted me requesting my permission, neither did they notify me that the interview had been posted online.
6. This interview was of me and contains my intellectual property as well.
7. I didn’t monetize my video.
8. All of these facts refute claims of copyright and/or trademark violation andsupport my claim for Fair Use.
Sincerely,
Michael Horn
Authorized American Media Representative
The Billy Meier Contacts
Science researcher 44 years, author, documentarian, international and university lecturer
YouTube
Twitter
theyflyblog.com
theyfly.com
Facebook
International Bookings
“Michael Horn is the world’s leading authority on UFOs”
George Noory, after Michael’s 22nd appearance on C2C
Some of Michael Horn’s award-winning documentaries on the Billy Meier contacts:
One of Billy Meier’s 1,200+ still irreproducible, 1959 – 1981,pre-digital UFO photos:
I stripped her signature line, because I knew you were a slimeball and you’d publish it even though you said you wouldn’t. You proved you would with the above by just copying and pasting all communication.
You should be ashamed, but I know you won’t be. Most people who act like you online never are. They are grown man babies who are mostly just upset at themselves for not accomplishing much, rather than those they lash out at the most.
In the end, the Meier case is still a hoax, and most people, don’t care about it.
Now you got your answers from her, so stop emailing us over and over. We have much better things to do than dealing with you.
John,
As one of your favorite presidents said, “There you go again.”
Name-calling and unsubstantiated attacks; is there anything confidential in that email? It actually further reveals how petty and vindictive you are and, trust me, it’s going to be shared with a far wider audience.
I always assume that anything I write or say may become public record. That’s why I don’t worry when it does.
But you do have reason to worry, as you self-destruct because your entire content has no substance or significance, just like that empty place where your…character and integrity should be dwelling within you.
As for “not accomplishing much”, I really did try my best:
https://theyflyblog.com/about-michael/
BTW, if you ever want to man-up and PUBLICLY discuss/debate the Meier material – and SUBSTANTIATE your claims, attacks, etc. – just let me know. Get yourself a couple of boxes of Depends, a mop for the overflow and let’s have a chat.
It’s interesting and also damning that someone would get so upset over a video that’s been online for 14 years. For all who can think clearly and apply reason, the agenda is indubitably clear.
They claim that they will “rectify” the videos on MrLBone’s channel, but it’s interesting to see who they went after first. MrLBone’s videos still play on without any copyright notices.
The videos have likely been downloaded hundreds of times, and they will likely be downloaded again and again until the overlords force their will.
There is one thing that him and his attorney can never change – THE TRUTH – it belongs to all of us.
John Greenewald . . hopefully, at the very least, there is some other creative pastime you can further devote your time to . . because, from my humble perch, any continuance for pondering whatever reason caused you to team up with the all too familiar list of ufo-related ‘black vault’ secrecy also-ran charlatanry . . IS SO OLD! A complete waste of time! When it comes to exposing anything of beneficial interest to rational thinking members of humanity, you have no solid ground to stand on. Take a voluntary STEP outside your self, to once and for all, be a proactive contributor to advancing the TRUE mission on this wondrous planet within the Creation!
Dear Friends,
I have only recently heard of Billy Meier and begun to read samples from the Contacts. It is my (admittedly incomplete) understanding that the teachings at hand include the notion that one should not be judgemental. Yet, repeatedly, I see “America” spoken of in a most derogatory way as if it were a monolithic army of evil, mindless drones. I am well aware that America, by virtue of its human origins, is flawed. My complaint is that America is demonized as a whole, without any apparent recognition that “America” consists of over 300-million distinct individuals.
As a child I was taught not to make broad generalizations or judgements about groups of people. If one is to improve humanity, how can you alienate great swaths of humanity with unwarranted judgements? Would you listen to anyone who make instant judgements about you, based only on your home country or the color of your skin? If you want to change the world, people must listen to you. Ask yourselves, who will listen if they are unjustly treated with such animosity?
Billy Meier has said that one should not judge…falsely. And that when he makes those harsh statements about America, it’s NOT about all of the people but pertains to those in government, military, shadow government, and the population, etc., who carry on with the murderous, world domination agenda, which he says goes back to the country’s actual beginning.
Since there’s an abundance of this explanatory information, I suggest considering it and determining to the best of your ability its accuracy. Considering how much historical information he reveals that doesn’t accord with the “history books”, and especially considering the hundreds of specific, error-free examples of prophetically accurate information, you may have a different understanding and perspective.
cannot locate your email for the free video you mentioned on Clayton’s webinar. would like to see it tho.
I saw you on Redacted, great interview! I would love to see the film you referenced in the interview, keep doing what you’re doing!
CJ
cannot find your email saw you on redacted sr71blackbirrd@yahoo.com i have seen the orbs and a few strange things in the sky