The first thing to say is that this claim is utterly impossible, since there was no person named “Jesus Christ” who lived about 2,000 years ago. “Jesus Christ” is the fictionalized version of a real human being named Jmmanuel (pronounced the same as Emmanuel of Immanuel).
Having declared this distinction, it can be stated, as a matter of fact, that the actual claim is that Meier is indeed the reincarnation* of Jmmanuel, as well as a certain number of other specific prophets said to be in this lineage. It must also be acknowledged that the information substantiating this claim will not be well received, thought through and/or accepted by many people.
While I have been aware of this information for some time, I have not focused on it, up until recently. I tried being even less subtle in presenting the claim but, surprisingly, no one seemed to pick up on, let alone attack, it. Since Christians have been, and will continue to be, waiting in vain for what I call the “Second Helping” I thought it would be a good idea to point out that what and who they have essentially been waiting for has long been present and working on the same task at hand that his various predecessors also were involved in.
Of course there’s never been any mission to “save” people from their so-called “sins” and absolutely none of the other convolutions of the mind-numbing, enslaving versions of Christianity, or any other religion, have any validity as they intentionally direct people to put the complete responsibility for their own lives onto some imaginary god, savior, saint, etc. None such exist, except as creations of very confused human beings, so the worship, hopes and expectations directed towards them are simply god-delusion and the abdication of the essential personal responsibility for one’s own life that applies to every single human being.
As is to be expected, therefore, this message of self-responsibility is to be found in abundance in the true spiritual teaching, despite having been expunged from virtually every religion, “holy book”, etc.
Perhaps in a quasi-humorous attempt to subtly awaken, if not chide, the more fundamentalist Christians who anticipate that their “savior” (dare I say, “heaven help us”?) will “descend from the clouds”, Meier was allowed to take photographs from within a UFO of two other craft flying above the Swiss countryside. If the concept of “what goes up must come down” isn’t too scientific for them, the “true believers” might lubricate their thinking by contemplating the implications of the photographs, especially since Meier indeed “descended” and landed after he took the photographs.
Meier’s role as the prophet for these times certainly affords him no glamorous, celebrity-centered position. As always, it is a basically thankless task necessitated by the thick-headedness of the mass of humanity, which has succeeded in perching itself so precariously close to the precipice of an almost bottomless pit that a plunge into it is almost inevitable.
While the claim that Meier is a prophet, and the reincarnation of the major ones before him, will disturb if not enrage Christians, it will sit no better with members of other religions, atheists, skeptics and know-it-all scientists, of course. None of this has any bearing, naturally, on the validity of the claim. Meier has stated that humanity will take approximately 800 more years to civilize itself and evolve to the status of rational, logical and truly loving real human beings, who value and live in real love, peace, freedom and harmony.
It would be nice to see this happen much, much faster but an objective view of world conditions, human consciousness – and religious delusion – seems to speak strongly against this likelihood.
*Technically, the “person”, i.e. the personality, doesn’t reincarnate. It’s the spirit (also called “spirit form”) that reincarnates, so we are never the same person but always a new person with a new personality, consciousness, psyche, etc.
Keep up the awesome work you are doing here in the U.S. Michael Horn and despite what the ignorant and those who have been brought up to believe in these erroneous cult religions think about Billy keep up the struggle and the truth will grow with every ear that wants to listen. To those brought up in these religions I say open your mind and your heart and this just might reach you and it will remove those shackles that has enslaved you in religious darkness. Feed your spirit a good healthy dose of truth. Salome.
What a waste of time. You both are a fraud.
Catholic church is a scam
If, you were to just look at the information and see that maybe, just mabe there is a some truth to this, but you make you conclusions using your lack of knowledge. Knowledge is the key to all this. Open your mind.
Ed, if you claim someone to be a fraud in the court of law, don’t you have to provide proof for your claims? Good luck on tackling the Meier case because as of today, most debunkers who have claimed Meier to be a fraud have no evidence and just point to pictures as being faked. The biggest fraud is religion and yes there’s tons of arguments that prove religion is the biggest fraud. so keep on passing your money to the collections plate and hope that you are blessed by the invisible being who you have erroneously named Jesus Christ. Why don’t you take a look at the Old Testament to see what his name was before the frauds named him Jesus Christ, and please prove Horn and Meier are frauds.
Interesting theory.
Conversely accusing someone of fraud on the internet (in a comments section) amounts to little more than internet spam. Interesting that someone who’s not interested in this is reading it though.
Dear Mr. Horn,
Thanks a lot for providing us with such an excellent explanation. There will always be someone like Ed, blind ones, ignorant of the Truth… for them it is better to blame on someone, to avoid responsibilities, to evade from facts. Facing the evidence is too much for them.
But some human beings can see, feel and believe what the logic and reason shows about Mr. Meier without any doubt.
Thanks to your articles and written thoughts we may follow what Mr. Meier is doing… huge task he´s got on his shoulders during his whole life. Huge task and responsibility is also upon yours for disseminating and spreading it all. Thank you Mr. Horn!
Peace and love for everyone involved, peace and love also for those remaining ignorants on purpouse cause they will understand one day.
Salome from Spain.
Carlos
Hi all, I would like to know what Muslims think about Billy, as every Muslim I know is adamant that Mohammed was the last ever prophet. For this reason I’ve never felt the opportunity brought up the subject of Billy with them.
Thanks
Thanks Michael of your effort in promoting billy’s mission. I was once a filipino catholic but when i read billy meier’s notes, listened to your talks and others like wendelle stevens, lee elders, and other famous writers/researchers, for me, only morons can’t see the truth of the matter. keep up the good work, though i know its tough and risky on your part. Salome.
Considering the wealth of information shared by Billy, it strikes me as an impopulair attemt to gain attention speaking about this. I myself have can see the possibilty. As written, many would object to such a case. Therefore I would say that it harms the mission of Billy to write about it. It becomes more of an easy ‘target’ for ridicule and disbelief. The information on itself is already of great wealth.
As for the rest of the message, about religion, lately the protest against the vatican is rising faster still. Also the investigations in media corporations is going further. The awakening is already beginning.
There has been a lot of developments in the consciousness in man and in the individual hearts of people since Billy’s encounter.
Respectfully, flying around in a spaceship does not make someone God. There is only one God and it is not “Billy Beer Meier”. He is not God. God is a holy spirit and does not dwell in this material world with us. Intellectual delusions of grandeur and self ego fulfillment belong to “Billy Beer Meier” and his eccentric misguided followers, no matter how grand their material flying saucer kingdom may seem,and no matter how much it stimulates stubborn scientific minds , it is not and never will be equal to God’s paradise. This is only my own observation personal opinion and I alone make these statements.This does not mean that I don’t like Billy and his friends, it only means that I disagree with their explzanation of God’s kingdom.
You are most entitled to your own interpretation. I only say one must keep an open mind, and we have yet to descisvely see proof against this case, as hard as it may be to convince ourselves that this is in fact truth.
I wanted to offer my own interpretation of this.
Without turning anything into a religious war, it is amusing that the very anti-reaction to Billy Meier being anything other than a crazy man, and indeed not a prophet, I believe is also the reaction Christians both “historically” and I believe currently hold towards anything that looks like the “final” signs, something I believe Revelations decrees everyone will ignore. Oh the fait of would-be saviors 😉
Here is some REAL TRUTH………Urantia.org
I was going to mention the Urantia Book, I try to bring it to peoples attention when I can, I would love to know if Billy Meier has read it and what he thinks of it. there are simularities to his beliefs but important differences too,for instance, his extraterrestials do not seem to believe in God, which is worrying. Given the choice I think I will stick with the Urantia teachings,there are a lot of half truths around at the moment
You apparently haven’t bothered reading his materials at all, if you would go through the freely available texts, the aforementioned extra-terrestrials make no claims that “God” does or does not exist, unless you, personally, insist on knowing how he may or may not exist. They do, in fact, point to, to quote loosely, an all-knowing, all-encompassing, all-existing entity, which their supposed scientists believe exists (I have not read any claims of corroboration of this, merely that this is what they believe). Unless you insist that the Earth is in fact the center of the universe, I see nothing incompatible with current belief systems, in so far as at least the spirit of the thing goes.
Unless claiming that the letter of spiritual “law” must be also followed, which frankly is as ridiculous as claiming that the Earth is the center of the solar system, solely to apeal to your religious ego. Mayhaps you can think outside of the geological box a bit, matters of the spirit were never meant to be ruthlessly materialistic.
This whole thing with the Urantia book and other “holy books” underscores the problem. And notice that the person refers to Meier’s “beliefs”, which, if he had familiarized himself with the material, would know don’t exist. Meier has no “beliefs”.
He has his extensive personal experience and first hand knowledge.
On the other hand, the “believers” are stuck with religions and their “gods” which were invented by human beings, refer to human beings and which rely solely on an illogical premise for their foundation.
That childish, inadmissible premise is, “What’s in this book is true…because this book says it’s true.” Wow, there’s real “proof” for you!
As far as it being “worrying” that the extraterrestrials don’t “believe in “God”, as we enter the Age of Truth and Knowledge, we will leave the Age of Beliefs – and all of it’s bloodthirsty, barbaric, illogical and insane religions – behind. Hopefully those people who are fascinated with illogical, convoluted text like the Urantia book will direct their attention and scholarship to the spiritual teaching brought forward, once again, by the prophet of these times.
M.H. Why do you think that the Urantia Book is illogical, but Billy Meier’s teachings are not ? Unlike many people, I have never got all my knowledge from just one source, which is why I have familiarized myself with Billy Meier. Like Billy, we all have our personal experiences to help us to make sense of the world, to rely on just one person or book to tell us what to think and believe, would be illogical, surely “Creation,” by its very name, needs a Creator ? And what exacly is the Absolute Absolutum If not God ?. Yes, its true that organised Religion is manmade, but the orignal teachings that inspired them, before they became twisted by man, were not necessarily,
I have a funny feeling that most of the people who get into the Urantia book and take it seriously were formerly Christians. Being already softened up by an illogical, fabricated religion certainly would make one susceptible to drinking the kool-aid for the next glorified version of it. Forget for a moment that this precious “God” of ours has only been around for some 5,000+ plus years – less than the blink of an eye in the Creation.
So to answer your question, “Why do you think that the Urantia Book is illogical, but Billy Meier’s teachings are not?” the reason is that I’ve actually read most of the teaching available in English. There is no comparison to the heavily religious, unprovable and unsubstantiated information in the Urantia book. I don’t think there’s anything that you can really call a teaching in those texts.
We all have our experiences, certainly, but there is a wealth of scientifically corroborated information to be found in the Meier information that finds no comparison in the Urantia book (http://theyfly.com/WILL_HUMANITY_WAKE_UP.html). Further, there’s nothing to believe in Meier’s work, only very clear, logical means of ascertaining its accuracy and truthfulness.
And certainly the Absolute Absolutum is not “God”, who we first learn about when we discover him in the Old Testament. “God” is the original maniacal, genocidal terrorist of the OT, who contradicted himself – after all, how does the author of Thou shalt not kill (murder innocents) reconcile with this “God of love and mercy” who commands the death of “every man, woman, child and infant in their mother’s arms…without mercy”, as he did in the OT.
The answers that human beings seek about the meaning of life, its origins, evolution, etc., will never be found in the dead and death dealing religions or their “holy books”. While these of course contain scattered smatterings of truth, they are shown to be painfully inadequate and corrupted versions of the truth, as reading and thinking one’s way through the Meier material and the spiritual teaching will reveal.
there is alot of nonsense to trail through, particularly on the net, in order to realise things of real value and worth for your own and others lives. honestly, i think when you take the time to actually read the subjects that are covered, in hundreds of cases, by the people said to be giving the knowledge to meier, if you are sane, there is only one conclusion, that is, he is getting this informationn from people who are covertly alerting and informing a more primitive race to so may aspects of life and existence. Forget about dopey spacecraft pictures, beacause thats what they are in relation to the knowledge. you just have to look through history to realise, the real, genuine, enlightening people are destroyed by the mass of ignorance. As for those that are still in fear, believing in dietys and such, well, we were the centre of the universe some hundreds of years ago! does that not tell you something about what and where we are?
This morning i saw a person in the mirror i thougt i should write a report of a encounter of the third kind.
M.H..When you disparage God, by refering to the Old Testament, you start to sound like an Atheist, which I suppose is what you are. Actually, the first attempt, that we know of, to create a monotheistic religion was was by Pharaoh Akhenaten in 1,350 bc. and I would like to say that your “funny feeling” is incorrect in my case, I have read many Sacred texts and Channeled Writings, apart from the Bible, before deciding the Urantia book was the most impressive, but there are also many others I like, such as Allan Kardec and Winifred Moyes Zodiac messages to name just two.. I have also read the Oahspe and the Aquarian Gospel, I do believe that Celestial beings/Extraterrestials exist and that some of them are trying to help us, I believe George King of The Aetherius Society was probably genuine,.But when you say Billy meier is the ONLY source of truth and a reincarnation of Immanuel, I have to have my doubts. he says nothing I have not read elsewere, he has just removed God .