The first thing to say is that this claim is utterly impossible, since there was no person named “Jesus Christ” who lived about 2,000 years ago. “Jesus Christ” is the fictionalized version of a real human being named Jmmanuel (pronounced the same as Emmanuel of Immanuel).
Having declared this distinction, it can be stated, as a matter of fact, that the actual claim is that Meier is indeed the reincarnation* of Jmmanuel, as well as a certain number of other specific prophets said to be in this lineage. It must also be acknowledged that the information substantiating this claim will not be well received, thought through and/or accepted by many people.
While I have been aware of this information for some time, I have not focused on it, up until recently. I tried being even less subtle in presenting the claim but, surprisingly, no one seemed to pick up on, let alone attack, it. Since Christians have been, and will continue to be, waiting in vain for what I call the “Second Helping” I thought it would be a good idea to point out that what and who they have essentially been waiting for has long been present and working on the same task at hand that his various predecessors also were involved in.
Of course there’s never been any mission to “save” people from their so-called “sins” and absolutely none of the other convolutions of the mind-numbing, enslaving versions of Christianity, or any other religion, have any validity as they intentionally direct people to put the complete responsibility for their own lives onto some imaginary god, savior, saint, etc. None such exist, except as creations of very confused human beings, so the worship, hopes and expectations directed towards them are simply god-delusion and the abdication of the essential personal responsibility for one’s own life that applies to every single human being.
As is to be expected, therefore, this message of self-responsibility is to be found in abundance in the true spiritual teaching, despite having been expunged from virtually every religion, “holy book”, etc.
Perhaps in a quasi-humorous attempt to subtly awaken, if not chide, the more fundamentalist Christians who anticipate that their “savior” (dare I say, “heaven help us”?) will “descend from the clouds”, Meier was allowed to take photographs from within a UFO of two other craft flying above the Swiss countryside. If the concept of “what goes up must come down” isn’t too scientific for them, the “true believers” might lubricate their thinking by contemplating the implications of the photographs, especially since Meier indeed “descended” and landed after he took the photographs.
Meier’s role as the prophet for these times certainly affords him no glamorous, celebrity-centered position. As always, it is a basically thankless task necessitated by the thick-headedness of the mass of humanity, which has succeeded in perching itself so precariously close to the precipice of an almost bottomless pit that a plunge into it is almost inevitable.
While the claim that Meier is a prophet, and the reincarnation of the major ones before him, will disturb if not enrage Christians, it will sit no better with members of other religions, atheists, skeptics and know-it-all scientists, of course. None of this has any bearing, naturally, on the validity of the claim. Meier has stated that humanity will take approximately 800 more years to civilize itself and evolve to the status of rational, logical and truly loving real human beings, who value and live in real love, peace, freedom and harmony.
It would be nice to see this happen much, much faster but an objective view of world conditions, human consciousness – and religious delusion – seems to speak strongly against this likelihood.
*Technically, the “person”, i.e. the personality, doesn’t reincarnate. It’s the spirit (also called “spirit form”) that reincarnates, so we are never the same person but always a new person with a new personality, consciousness, psyche, etc.
There is no “God” to disparage, only long dead ETs who played the role for primitive humans who had no knowledge of other beings, technologies, etc. So to be an “atheist” requires that theism is the standard, norm, reference point, etc. It isn’t. Life itself, as well as humanity, have been around far, far longer than the terrorist “God” of the OT, or any others.
Meier is not the “only source of truth”. It’s just that the spiritual teaching, as well as other information that he’s brought forth (scientific, etc.) has proven to be extraordinary in its clarity, wisdom and accuracy. It’s obvious that you haven’t read much of Meier’s material, since if you did you’d know that you certainly haven’t read it “elsewhere”.
And, of course, since Meier’s written over 26,000 pages (most still in German) your claim is further shown to be utterly inaccurate.
True, I have not read all of Meier But it’s clear you have not read all of the Urantia Book, the Bible or any of the other writings I have read, or you would not describe God in such an ignorant way, God the Father is the name we give to the First Scource and center of all things, it is infinite, it exists outside of time and space in a form our finite minds cannot comprehend its spirit creates and sustains the Cosmos, it is the ultimate personality and source of love, primative man believed in many Gods. It was Celestial beings that taught man to whorship the one God instead. Meier’s teachings are similar to Gnosticism, but with God removed and a creatorless creation in its place, either Meier is hoaxing for financial reasons or he is communicating with the wrong sort of Angels/Extraterrertials/Nephilim, call them what you will. There was a reason Jesus told us to be “discerning” in our dealings with “Angels” also, nobody has ever tried to gain money and fame from the Urantia Book
I HAVE read thoroughly, the Urantia book, several times. While it was the only variant source, I had taken the time to invest(and investigate), I found it overly complicating as to the many being levels – though the whole of the Urantia work was a channeled text. The organization has had many disagreements, and internal battles and struggles, that most religious organizations also have. Also, I have read many thousands of psuedepigraphic texts, Gnosticism, and other religious texts – few compare to the directly and openly communicated dialogue (Meier Contact reports – of which I have read over 90% and many other texts from him).
The argument of single-source “truth” is a valid one, but one must always choose according to the highest intelligence and wisdom they have attained.
I do NOT (neither does Meier, according to what is available) “worship” any ‘thing’, and choose instead to continue to evolve with the best reasoning and sources open to me. “Religion” is in the state of mind, and can be an infection to any – including Meier followers. There is NO Meier ‘orthodoxy’ – only the admonition to learn, to test, and to accept cause-effect results – from my Earth-human point-of-view.
T57
i recently read Meiers essay reportedly from his 11th birthday, thats something extraordinary, also his letter to world leaders at 14, thats something no ordinary person does i think. Thats all available for anyone to read online, but i dont think people are interested…its too damaging to their perspective, probably better to stay safe with what they know, or think they know.
George King may have been authentic? in all seriousness comparing this mans work to Meiers is ridiculous. this man who was probably manipulated by an e.t source(there were so many) ever heard of the giza intelligences?
well they were very prevelant in e.t contacts, their agenda was negative mixing truths with bullshit like ‘cosmic master’ ‘master jesus’
the 50’s and venus, venusians, go together like a horse n carriage. that may have washed then, problem is as time goes by everything thats false fades away with knowledge, the e.ts whoever they were who give out this info really didnt have much foresight and there plan was always to portray themselves as saviours of earth humanity. there are no saviours, only us, we’re the saviours, if we choose to be
I got into the Urantia book in the middle-1970s and saw that it was a rather convoluted, religiously viscous bit of fantasy.
I delved into the Old Testament primarily to see if what Meier and the Plejaren were saying about “God” was true. Surprisingly, instead of tons of evidence for a “God of love and mercy”, there was a vengeful, capricious, sadistic, genocidal terrorist commanding – and even carrying out himself – vast murderous slaughters, including of the aged, women, children and infants.
My COMMON SENSE told me that this certainly wasn’t the “Creator” of love, life, beauty, harmony, peace, justice and mercy, to name a few. But people who BELIEVE this crap have long abdicated their own thinking and discernment, passively accepting that, “What’s in this book is true…because this book says it’s true.”
So, unfortunately, each of your posts simply regurgitates the brainwashing, the meaningless, cultic phrases and cosmologies promoted in these insidious books and religions and shows zero capacity for incisive, independent thought.
And if you’d like to put one piece of evidence on the table for ANY of the claims you promote – including that Meier is some kind of profiteer because he dares to speak the truth and has become the target of vicious, idiotic and murderous humans – please get to it.
I hope my comments don’t seem too ambiguous or vague.
M.H. Of cause, I personally have no proof Meier is deliberately hoaxing, indeed, as I said maybe he is being misled by the fallen ones, As regards the Urantia Book I think it speaks for itself, even though it was first published in 1955, there is nothing in it that has been proven false, and the Bible made a lot more sense to me after I had read it. Most modern Christians do not believe the Old Testament to be relevant to them. Jesus/Yeshua, (yes we know Jesus is an english translation of a latin translation of the original Hebrew) came to correct Judaic Law. which had become twisted by mankind,, hence the New Testament, then of cause, Christianity in turn gets messed about with by Constantine, to claim God does not exist because you don’t like the Old Testament interpretation of God, is Childish, .
And of course you also have no personal proof that the Bible or the Urantia book is anything but manmade fabrications based in fantasy and illogic. And since you also have no proof that “God” exists – in fact you ONLY have this concept/being BECA– — — USE of religious fabrications – then the truly childish thing is to try to bang anyone over the head with that foolishness.
To put it plainly, since you have NOTHING to base “God” on but manmade religious texts, there’s nothing more childish than proceeding to try to use this fictitious being as an “authority”. Just more of the “What’s in this book is true…because this book says it’s true” garbage.
If you want to post again please SUBSTANTIATE the whole “God” Premise…WITHOUT quoting or referring to the toxic, manmade “holy books”…if you can.
If “GOD” created all things. Who created “GOD”?
M.H. I would not presume to say that any one book or person has all the answers, although that is what you are doing, all the reasons you give for not believing in a God, could just as easily be used for not believing in Meier. All anybody can do is read ALL the available written historical evidence and use their OWN Judgement, their own personal experience is always more valuable than somebody elses personal experience, that is where we find God, God is in our hearts.we can ignore it but it is not going anywere. That is all I want to say.
I will leave any further responses to those who can stomach repeated illogical talk about “believing in Meier”.
What part of “there are NO BELIEFS” didn’t you understand? We don’t have beliefs, Meier doesn’t have beliefs, the Plejaren don’t have beliefs.
YOU have beliefs. FIne, enjoy them. You have simply wandered into the wrong room with your fairy tales and imaginary “God”.
recently i read a book called “the golem envealed” and i learnd that the Sepher Yezirah is also called the book of creation
That is from the ancient courses of metafhisics, of very old age
And i also learnd that knowledge is the child of female and male in the universal sense of gender and polarity, no teaching hase sense without the practise, well lets start with honestly then.
in all respect
The moment your skull entered this world of insanitie you were searching for the truth.
Interesting read… However; I find this and most of the other stuff to be rubbish. I’m siding with Ed. Just as you ask where people’s proof is to refute your claims, where is yours to make it right? I see only words and baseless conjecture.
I checked Michael Horn’s about page and find it very hard to believe him to be as famous as he supposedly is and for me to have never heard of him. A Google of his name yields few results. All that comes up is his this blog and Billy Meier. No film credits, no e-book creations, no nail art origins, nothing.
As for Billy Horn, he is equally if not more ludicrous in his “fame”. His metal samples he claimed to have received from the Plejarens and sent to Marcel Vogel for examination are awful examples of proof. Vogel wasn’t even a metallurgist. And a scanning electron microscope couldn’t determine the atomic or molecular structure of any of the substances, or any at all for that matter. Don’t even make me mention his “prophecies”, as they are laughable at best. The world has yet to enter a third World War, yet it’s last supposed date was this year and it is coming to a close. It’s “calling card” was that four world leaders will die within seven days of one another. This has yet to occur. Even then, the third World War would be two years away , past the prophecy date. So what does Meier do to back his claims? He states that these “prophecies” are just probabilities that are subject to change. I have no doubt that World War III will occur at some point in time, and I guarantee that Meier will be there when it starts to say he “prophesied” it.
His photographs hold no truth either. It is insanely easy to recreate photographs of UFOs and have them look believable. Every time his photos are disproved, he states that they were “tampered with by the government” or something similar. His ex-wife Kalliope has stated many of his photos to be fakes and proof of the photography of Asket and Nera has even surfaced. Michelle DellaFave has confirmed that she was asked to take part in the photography as one of the two extraterrestrials for Meier.
How you people believe any of this is beyond me. I myself believe in no god or any religion. I’m an atheist all the way, but what you people are saying is absolute garbage. No, I don’t think there isn’t any extraterrestrial life, but i highly doubt they’d choose the “prophet” Billy Meier as, essentially, their contact on Earth. It’s almost like a cult here. As for how I found this, it was a slow night with random YouTube searches. So much for Michael Horn’s “fame”. I had never heard his name in my life before now and I already wish I could have forgotten it. You all open your eyes up to the so called “truth”. Accept that this is all there is to life. There IS nothing interesting in it other than what you, yourself, make. You really are as insignificant as you seem. You aren’t a prophet or anything of the like and neither is Billy Meier. Get over it.
And also, MH, you state that people who believe in a god or any holy book believe in it because it is simply written down. You find what Meier states and presents as evidence is fact though. You have absolutely NO form of evidence to support his or your claims. Go ahead, present any piece of evidence that isn’t personal opinion or a form of faith or anything of the like. I want cold, hard fact, nothing else. You ask the same of the religious people. I ask the same from you.
And should we be surprised that this bit of diligent “research” and logical thinking comes from…an anonymous person?
I think they express the essence of their own problem quite nicely, “I checked Michael Horn’s about page and find it very hard to believe him to be as famous as he supposedly is and for me to have never heard of him.” First, who said I was “famous”, as if that would be important? Secondly, there is nothing to “believe” and using one’s obviously limited thinking abilities – along with big doses of parroted and incorrect information from the internet skeptics – as refutation of anything is quite pathetic.
So, just for the record:
1. EVERY credential and/or credit that I posted on my biography page is ABSOLUTELY true and authentic. I don’t run around using my own personal credits as a prelude or to, or authentication of, Meier’s information and evidence. I do have it there because, having actually never been really “trained” in any of those areas, I am indeed proud to have made something of whatever talents I have. So the griper we have here – who claims he simply “found this, it was a slow night with random YouTube searches” – sure seems to have already gotten an awful lot very wrong.
2. Regarding the metal samples, this poor wannabe apparently HASN’T actually read the reports on them, nor did he notice that Marcel Vogel used SPECTRAL ANALYSIS to determine those properties that can only be assessed trough that means, and the scanning electron microscope where it was appropriate. Further, whoever this anonymous poster is, clearly at 10 years old, they weren’t busy synthesizing the chemicals that create bioluminescence in fireflies. What IBM recognized in Marcel Vogel that this copy-and-paste “researcher” doesn’t, is that Vogel was respected for his genius and his cross-specialized scientific knowledge…not because he had letters after his name.
3. Complaining that we haven’t had WW III yet is hardly a sign that Meier isn’t absolutely the most prophetically accurate individual in human history. All one would have to do – which this person obviously hasn’t done – would be to actually read all of the prophecies and predictions (found easily enough on my site) and the article with the dozens and dozens of specific scientific corroborations. That shouldn’t be so hard…for an honest researcher. Actually, many of us have already done the researcher, this person would merely have to find, read and then critique it.
4. If his photos were so “easy to recreate”, why did it take literally decades of efforts before people could make miniature MODELS of them and create visual effects that only mimic Meier’s? Not one person who claims to have actually duplicated Meier’s photographic evidence has had their versions tested using the same standards that were applied to Meier’s. And who wants to put money on the fact that Mr. Anonymopus here has either made any, or had any tested? Right, no one throws their money away as easily as this person throws their completely unsubstantiated words around.
5. Meier’s ex-wife passed a lie detector test (100%) supporting Meier’s truthfulness…as did 15 other people. Their children, who also witnessed the UFOs, to this day support him. And there’s a videotape with her affirming his truthfulness too. Add to that about 100 eyewitnesses to the UFOs and events surrounding Meier. Any more questions on that?
6. As for the Asket and Nera photos, obviously this late night genius didn’t see the rather long article and documentation about that. (Note: I deliberately, and uncharacteristically, didn’t put any links here for reference, as I think our skeptical friend probably has many “slow nights” and now has a focal point for something more productive than copying incorrect information from the already defeated skeptics.
7. As for there being any “cult”, I guess the skeptic here will be interested to know that a fellow skeptic effectively proved that NOT to be the case, as all evidence and reason has already long revealed. Since it has apparently eluded the keen investigative work we have been treated to, a forthcoming press release should clarify that too.
Since he couldn’t find my films, The Silent Revolution of Truth or Breaking the Silence, and couldn’t also find my paintings, the 1967 Harper’s Bazaar magazine and fingernail art photos, my INSIDE KUNG FU magazine articles, etc., etc. I would suggest that this connoisseur of the arts “friend” me on Facebook where many of these items are posted.
Gee, gosh, oh golly, I hope this…helps.