With the announcement of the retirement of Pope Benedict XVI, speculation about the name of the next pope of course draws attention to the following information from the Henoch Prophecies:
“After the turn of the millennium, the papacy will exist only a short period. Pope John Paul II is the third from last in this position. After him, only one additional pontificate will follow. Then a Pontifex Maximus follows who will be known asย Petrus Romanus. Under his religious rule, the end of the Catholic Church will come, a total collapse becoming inevitable. That will be the beginning of the worst catastrophe that will ever have befallen the human beings and the Earth. Many Catholic clerics, priests, bishops, cardinals and many others will be killed and their blood will flow in streams. But also the reformed version of Christianity will become just as infinitely small, as does Catholicism.”
This information was published in 1987 by Billy Meier (and has been online since at least 2006). Of course questions may arise such as, could there be a very brief interim pope, will the Vatican avoid naming him Peter at all costs, especially since they are very well aware of just who Billy Meier is, etc.?
But should he be named Peter/Petrus Romanus, and should Meierโs prophecy be referred to, be ready for the usualโฆโanybody could have said that back in 1987โฆโ from the skeptics.
We should know the answers very soonโฆas the time fulfills.
For more information please also read this article.
I’m glad you chimed in on this Mr Horn. I’ve got my popcorn ready but I’m beginning to lose my appetite as I am no fan of streams of blood. ๐
But if it must be, let’s get it over with and on to the next chapter.
You echo my…sediments exactly.
I accept the sacrifices which must come, I only hope to build enough of a ‘shelter’ to weather through to the next part.
Also, this is in some ways the first time I see the prophecies occuring right in front of my nose. Before now it has been Visible, apparent, and obvious, but now the prophecies threaten to hang me by the noose as well.
Hi Bruce, Michael & Anonymous coward (et al),
โBut if it must be, letโs get it over with and on to the next chapter.โ
That seems to me to be leaning way too much in the direction of โnegative degeneration”, guys. Sure, if โit must beโ then there are reasons for wanting to get it over with, but even just WANTING to get it over with can โ through the enormous collective might of those many negative thoughts โ actually MAKE it happen when it might NOT otherwise! Because if itโs still a โprophecyโ (Prophezeiung), which has not yet turned into a โprediction” (Voraussage), then, according to the way Billy & Co. say they define the words, โit MUSTโ NOT โbeโ.
We make our own fate. Weโre not supposed to humbly submit to somebody elseโs suicidal idea of destiny. And I, for one, donโt feel at all inclined to just say โBring it on!โ and humbly submit to the nightmare scenario Enoch describes.
Spiritual evolution happens. Itโs all well and good to cry โget on with itโ if youโre already pushing three score and ten, but what about the children? Every year that the Dark Orderโs (โOrdnung der Dunkelheitโ) [Goblet of Truth, page LXIX] greatly-desired zombie apocalypse can be delayed, the more its opposition can be allowed to bloom and set seed.
Letโs also not forget that Enoch (Henoch) was, by FAR, the earliest of the ancient prophets of the current Nokodemion line, born almost exactly eleven THOUSAND, three hundred and twenty-one years ago. That was even before Gรถbekli Tepe was started and the last glacial period had ended! And itโs safe to say that the consciousness evolution of Earth people has seen heaps of changes since the early Neolithic period, many of them arguably positive.
In spite of the fact that the other two ancient prophets weโve read – being Eliah, born 8,417 years after Enoch, and Jeremiah, born 269 years after Eliah – made even more horrifying โpredictionsโ (?), it looks to me as if they were more like unfulfilled prophecies, which seemed to represent fairly linear pessimistic extrapolations from around WWII, and were not consistent with either todayโs reality nor what Enoch prophesised.
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Predictions_of_the_Prophet_Jeremia#Predictions_of_the_Prophet_Jeremia
Iโm not for a minute suggesting that we should just all go, โWhew!โ and have another beer. Far from it. For instance, we could finally squarely address the fact that abundant evidence has come to light that the underlying reason the current Pope Benedict XVI is throwing in the towel is because, before he became โinfallibleโ (Yeah? So whyโs he REALLY bailing out?), the (then fallible) Cardinal Joseph Aloisius Ratzinger was evidently personally responsible for the cover-up of what even the Vatican called (โalmostโ) โsatanicโ child sex abuse.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/03/more-evidence-emerges-tha_n_524192.html
In his traditional 2010 Christmas address to cardinals and officials working in Rome, Pope Benedict XVI declared, โIn the 1970s, paedophilia was theorised as something fully in conformity with man and even with children,โ โIt was maintained – even within the realm of Catholic theology – that there is no such thing as evil in itself or good in itself. There is only a โbetter than’ and a โworse than’. Nothing is good or bad in itself.โ http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/popes-child-porn-normal-claim-sparks-outrage-among-victims-28577483.html#ixzz19Wmdzyir
That explains a lot, doesnโt it?
I do DESPISE those stinking Bafath string-pullers.
So exactly WHEN, I wonder, DID โritual satanic abuseโ (euphemism for torturing to death, and eating, little children in a religious setting) become officially frowned upon by the powers that be? http://blogs.news.com.au/news/crime/index.php/news/comments/extraordinary_claims_true_catholic_church/
And when, exactly, will we stupid Earthlings collectively wake up and decide that we would like to begin being thought of as โhuman beingsโ by the rest of the folks out there in the vast universe?
Maybe we could start by providing a little justice to the survivors, and ceasing our loathsome legal protection of the perpetrators.
Salome.
In some folks view, it is easy to see that the time of the prophecies have arrived and it is now that it perform its charge. Earth humanity may unfold the prophecised events in fealty to their specific God (the undying lord) and by the grace of the Heavenly Throne.
It is the hope that Earth Humanity will not allow or believe in fate of the events that are to come. May Creational justice account in all balance. The Creation protects.
Its great to think Positively.
They say there are four steps along the path to grief, Denial, Anger, Depression, and Acceptance.
To those who haven’t seen these things comming, Denial is strong.
We aren’t denying that bad things are happening, or that nothing could, can’t, or isn’t being done.
We aren’t angry (at least I’m not).
We aren’t so much depressed (I’ve gotten over that).
We are Accepting what is now, and making our own personal efforts to make a difference.
I don’t see how that’s cowardice. I don’t think we are “bailing out” as you put it.
We make our own fate, as you so aptly put it, and I still see glimmers of hope here and there. Lets all hang onto and defend them, by all means.
Dear Ms. or Mr. Preferred Anonymous,
May I call you Preferred? ๐
โAnonymous Coward – A name automatically given to an anonymous user who posts comments on a message boardโ http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Anonymous%20Coward
That we must finally learn to take full personal responsibility for all our own thoughts, words and deeds, is one of the most important (and avoided) of all Creationโs laws and recommendations.
But you anonymously wrote, โ โฆ now the prophecies threaten to hang ME by the noose โฆโ โI ONLY HOPE to build enough of a โshelterโ to weather through to the next part.โ Then you reply that youโre, โmaking (y)our own personal efforts to make a difference. (namely, only hoping to build a shelter, and preparing to stick your head in a noose) and that you โdonโt see how THAT’S cowardice.โ And โdonโt think we are โbailing outโ as you put it.โ (my emphasis added)
It seems obvious to me that good people who, for whatever reason, choose to remain anonymous (โwithout any name acknowledged of a person responsible, as that of author, contributor, or the like.” http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/anonymous ), among other things, donโt adequately understand the spirit which enlivens our difficult work here, nor the vile climate of fear we thereby oppose, which self-evidently maintains a grim prison planet of volunteer slaves who – often unwittingly – serve the โOrder of Darkness*โ, as Billy calls them, who are behind today’s sickening and ongoing torture, murder and cannibalism of our most precious resource, being our beautiful innocent children.
Albert Einstein โ clearly a very smart guy โ put it simply, “It’s better to be good than evil, but one achieves goodness at a terrific cost.”, “When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle.”, “All that is required for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing.”, “The price good men pay for indifference to public affairs is to be ruled by evil men.”, “The world is a dangerous place, not because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing.”
Salome.
* a.k.a. “the untouchable paedophile elite”, etc. etc. Winston Churchill called them “the High Cabal”
Mr. Devine.
A couple points.
Firstly, regarding my name – what is there in a name? What purpose do have for needing mine? I have a real name, and I really do use it online, so it is not out of simple cowardice that I decline to use mine. If you could present me with a reason as to why my name would be beneficial, or if I felt that using a real name would in fact help in some manner or other, I would use one. But I do not see such a reason, perhaps by my own fault, perhaps because there is none (at this time).
As silly as it may sound, I find a name to be a thing of power. Its not that the name itself is power, but it is attached to a mental energy, to a reputation, to the sum of all words preceeding it. Pseudonyms in this way are a powerful tool, In My Humble Opinion, to direct and focus energies, focus, etc. Attaching everything to a single name, real or otherwise, dilutes the power and import of this name.
I think you are confusing my name with anonymity on a superficial basis. Yes, it incorporates “Anonymous”, but it is shortsighted to say that it is in any way anonymous. It is actually not anonymous in the least, and it is the name itself which vividly portrays this fact. I am clearly, unambiguously stating, in two words, that I prefer that this effort of mine be kept seperate, but that I’m not afraid to be known by this pseudonym.
Perhaps you are of the persuasion that all identities should be singular within a person. I am not. I certainly take responsibility for my own words and actions, but that responsibility is to my self, and to no other man or woman. I ask that you respect this viewpoint, or provide overwhelming arguments to the contrary. There is no connection between personal responsibility and singular identity, in fact it is my opinion that until these two concepts are separated, there can be no true personal responsibility.
I’d also like to point out that your own name is fairly obviously a pseudonym, so I think you can at least relate to some degree with my position.
As for your further contentions:
“But you anonymously wrote, โ โฆ now the prophecies threaten to hang ME by the noose โฆโ โI ONLY HOPE to build enough of a โshelterโ to weather through to the next part.โ Then you reply that youโre, โmaking (y)our own personal efforts to make a difference. (namely, only hoping to build a shelter, and preparing to stick your head in a noose) and that you โdonโt see how THATโS cowardice.โ And โdonโt think we are โbailing outโ as you put it.โ (my emphasis added)”
See my previous statements regarding anonymity. You also seem to have misunderstood my comment about a noose. Please, refer to the concept of a metaphor, and how I do not intend in the least to stick my head into any real noose. Please, again, refer to the concept of a metaphor, and realize that a ‘shelter’ does not imply only personal gain, a serving of a ‘Dark Order’, etc. etc. etc., or a literal building of a shelter. Then, consider that the example you have constructed is entirely fabricated to show that I am in some sense a coward, with no predication of any actual cowardly act, other than a misinterpration of my name.
Now, consider how you are going to help an entire planet if you are hung up on a single person’s name.
These shelters we build, they are as much of the mind, will, and resolve, as they are of real shelters, techonology, and social progress.
I will say that the idea of using anonymous/screen names is – in its extremely widespread form – a relatively recent phenomenon. And I find all attempts to “explain”, i.e. justify, it to be rather specious if not downright cowardly. And I say that while acknowledging any and all people I know who do so.
Does your birth certificate state your name as Anonymous, is it on your checks, agreements, contracts, bank account, will it mark your grave? Are/were your teachers, professors – let alone parents and friends – also named Anonymous?
The inability, unwillingness and ease with which people hide themselves rather than stand up for their opinions and positions, diminishes their credibility, stature and power in life. Meier has had 22 attempts on his life and he still doesn’t shy from declaring who he is and what he stands for. Does it mean, do you fear, that presenting yourself for who you are will result in similar experiences, one(s) that you may not survive? If so then the “enemy” has already won.
So, as far as what’s in a name is concerned, if one applies this equally in all areas of their life and thereby becomes publicly known as Anonymous, it would be another matter. But by posing the question itself, as if the very challenge to posting anonymously was in itself some bizarre action, unfortunately indicates a certain failing in character, as far as I’m concerned.
You may be one of my close friends, for all I know, but I would apply the same standard to myself, or anyone, providing it really wasn’t a matter of life and death that necessitated concealing one’s identity.
BTW, Dyson Devine is anything butanonymous, as I’m sure he’ll be glad to explain to you.
“So, as far as whatโs in a name is concerned, if one applies this equally in all areas of their life and thereby becomes publicly known as Anonymous, it would be another matter.”
Is that a public endorsement by MH of the Anonymous movement?
I’d be happy to become known as Preferred Anonymous publicly if that were possible – only insomuch as in that the pseudonym carries more power than any ‘real’ name of mine. I fear, however, that might not work so well. Of course, perhaps that’s a little sad, but, again, linking my real name here wouldn’t particularly boost this cause or my real name. I’m sorry to dash your hopes – I’m no genius, no billionaire philanthropist, no well-endowed individual. Right now, I’m -just- a mind, -just- an individual, and which name I use really doesn’t matter, although I believe it better for my own physical and financial well being that I use a pseudonym here. If I were Bill Gates, sure, I’d not hesitate to put the full force of such a name behind this cause.
Anyways, thank you for your reply, apologies to Dyson Devine if that is his real name.
Another thing with BM and MH and this stuff of names?
What, exactly, have I done that my name deserves any notice? Whatsoever? I don’t mean to complain or whine. But really? Beyond post some on this forum, do a little research, and maybe be a bit of loudmouth, and make some personal resolves.
That’s right, nothing.
MH and BM, their names deserve mention, they deserve credit, BM has had 22 attempts on his life, but also has done some pretty great things comparatively. MH has dedicated his life to this, to my knowledge. In comparsion, I’m little more than some sewer scum trying to get out of the sewer still. My name is of no import, and likely, both PA and the real individual will die without a real trace. If that changes, I’ll let you know.
Throughout history all of the ordinary people” – which really includes us all – have put themselves and their names forward. It takes no special accomplishment, in fact it’s more of a false modesty to decline to do so and may bespeak a kind of egoism, or delusion of grandeur, if one thinks about it.
If one’s comments deserve notice – and only with the rarest of exceptions are anyone’s comments not posted – then why not one’s name? Why shouldn’t the positive contribution that one may be making be duly credited? Do we alone decide if what we have to say is worthwhile? And is the avoidance of standing behind one’s words, etc., really the kind of example we want to make…in a world where all too many have already opted to live virtual, imaginary lives behind false identities?
Dear Preferred,
You write, ” … Iโm little more than some sewer scum … ”
No you’re not.
Youโre a human being (with a name) like everybody else, and, as the bearer of an enlivening fragment of Creation itself, youโre fully deserving of the reverence and simple respect that entails – even if youโve been taught otherwise.
You write, โIf you could present me with a reason as to why my name would be beneficial, or if I felt that using a real name would in fact help in some manner or other, I would use one. But I do not see such a reason, perhaps by my own fault, perhaps because there is none (at this time).โ
Michaelโs good reasons to you didnโt mention one of the more prosaic and obvious reasons, on blogs, for not simply preferring to remain anonymous. Preferring anonymity makes it makes it even MORE difficult for everybody (and irresponsible of you) than merely preferring a pseudonym. For instance: were you the contributor of ALL the contributions from โPreferred Anonymousโ on this webpage?? If not, which are yours? Which are other anonymous contributors? Gimme a break, P.A.! Life is already more than confusing enough. Weโre all (MEANT to be) just trying to exchange helpful views and information. We all have a creational responsibility to do that, if asked in honesty.
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/stronggovernweak.htm
You then write, โIn My Humble Opinion โฆโ
Please donโt bait me. Iโm already overfed. Didnโt you even read my below, February 13th, 2013 at 10:11 pm, reply to โtheneuromatrixโ?? (Her/his friends call her/him, โTheโ.)
You go on to write, โI think you are confusing my name [sic.] with anonymity [sic.] on a superficial basis. Yes, it incorporates โAnonymousโ, but it is shortsighted to say that it is in any way anonymous. [?!?] It is actually not anonymous in the least, and it is the name itself which vividly portrays this fact. I am clearly, unambiguously stating, in two words, that I prefer that this effort of mine be kept separate, but that Iโm not afraid to be known by this pseudonym.โ
โPreferred anonymousโ is NOT a pseudonym. (Maybe just call yourself, โPreferredโ, as I do. We could call you, โPreeโ. That sound like a nice name.)
Please try really hard to grasp the difference between using a pseudonym –
[From pseudonymous, from French pseudonyme (“having a FALSE name”), from Ancient Greek ฯฮตฯ ฮดฯฮฝฯ ฮผฮฟฯ (pseudลnumos), fromฯฮตฯ ฮดฮฎฯ (pseudฤs, “false”) and แฝฮฝฯ ฮผฮฑ (onuma), from แฝฮฝฮฟฮผฮฑ (onoma, “name”).]
and remaining anonymous โ WITHOUT any name at ALL, even a FALSE name:
[Borrowed into English around 1600 from Late Latin anonymus, from Ancient Greek แผฮฝฯฮฝฯ ฮผฮฟฯ (anลnumos, “without name”), from แผฮฝ- (an, “without”) + แฝฮฝฯ ฮผฮฑ (onuma), Aeolic dialectal form of แฝฮฝฮฟฮผฮฑ (onoma, “name”).]
Happily, you donโt HAVE to BELIEVE that my father, Alfred Norman Devine, did actually NAME me Dyson Alfred Devine (after his grandfather) some 63 years ago. You can simply GOOGLE me, which would have been advisable BEFORE you wrote, โIโd also like to point out that your own name is fairly obviously a pseudonym …โ
BTW, I accept your gracious apology.
As to the rest of your recent comments and questions to and about me, or any future ones here, I lack the resources to deal with you and wonโt be replying to you further โ which may or may not disadvantage all the others here who also prefer anonymity, because I wonโt know if itโs you or not. Nobody even knows that now.
(Note to Michael: it would be good if you could fix this simple but ongoing serious problem, perhaps by requiring, in the future, that those who wish to conceal their true identity, here on your valuable blog, simply adopt at least a temporary individual pseudonym so they can at least be positively identified as the same contributor within the thread.)
But I sincerely wish you all the VERY best, whoever you are, with your slippery and smelly attempt to climb up into the sunlight with the rest of us. Itโs WELL worth your continuing struggle and youโve found the right direction already. Keep striving. Youโll get there. But I lovingly suggest that you thoroughly study as much as you can of the renewed teaching BEFORE you make ANY further public contributions.
Salome.
P.S. Suggested reading: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/meier.sdw142.DerfalscheWeg.htm
Hmm… Probably skeptics will say… Maier copied Malachy’s Prophecies.
Don’t forget Nostrodamus.
I doesn’t matter who claimed it first, the very fact that this Pope resigned when so many said he would be the “last” is downright eerie.
I don’t know of any human logical argument that would dictate that this occurence would be normally predictable 20-30 years ago. I shalt consult with a history buff more knowledgeable than myself and report back!
Yes , But The Henoch Prophecies contain much more information than Malachys “Prophecies Of The Pope”
Some questions I’m wondering, do you think its possible only the fall of catholisism will happen, or are certain things unavoidable?
Hi Sarah, I think the plans for the masacre have been in effect for may years because they are terrorist sleeper cells which took many years to infiltrate all the target countries and cities around the world. Especially those countries in Europe but also North America and maybe Australia and South America. I recall reading a Popular Science magazine back in the late 1990’s. It explained how Russia has been burying supplies for a future invasion in the USA/Canada. The Russians have been busy with this invasion plan since the cold war.
I think it was actually Michael Horn that linked an article about how how the whole terrorist thing is not as simple as what we might be taught. The it goes back to the age of imperialist in the east. Thats a real eye opener, I appreciate it Michael.^^
Michael,I’ve wondered for years now after first reading the Henoch prophecies about the last pope being named Petreus Romanus and the fall of the Catholic church and the vatican being aware of who Billy Meier is will they try to change the elected Pope’s name to avoid the the callapse of Catholicism.It’s going to be very interesting to see who get’s elected as Pope.
When I heard the ‘breaking news’ the Henoch Prophesies was the first thing that came to mind. Lately, I have been getting a lot of these…”hmm where did I first read/hear about this?”
Petrus Romanus is not his name but what he will be โknown as.โ There is an unwritten rule in the College of Cardinals that no successor to the first pope, Peter, will use his name. It is far more likely that this last โpopeโ will be known for characteristics that reflect the name Peter, which means rock, stone or solid as in petrified; something that is set hard. So I am not looking for anyone necessarily named Peter.
The last โpopeโ then would be inflexible and perhaps strong or opinionated. There are many other possibilities for this Petrus meaning. According to John Hogue in The Last Pope a few are:
1. One of his names, not the name he is commonly called, could be Peter.
2. Either his family or ecclesiastical armoral bearings or his escutcheon could evince some Peter or rock or a stone (a peter) imagery.
3. Or perhaps Peterโs fishing boat or netting will be visible.
4. He might have some important posting at any of thousands of towns or cathedrals named after so-called St. Peter.
5. He might take on an important post in St. Peterโs Basilica itself.
6. Maybe he will take up Peterโs motto of โDeus in Me.โ
He could be from anywhere. Any pope could really be called a “Petrus Romanus” or /i{Peter of Rome}, as they all claim to be Peterโs successor and pontificate from their base in Rome.
A manโs actions speak louder than his name or words. If the prophecies/predictions are correct then we could expect the next and last pope to be rigid and inflexible like a rock โ if the imagery connection above does not suffice, as it often does with Malachyโs โpropheciesโ. Billy has mentioned elsewhere that a terrible war or time of destruction will begin due to the unreasonable hard-headed actions of a pope. I donโt recall actually where Billy said this, but it did sound like the pope would be hardheaded or inflexible — rock like. Heโll be in Rome so any of the cardinals to become โpopeโ could fit the bill of โPetrus Romanus” if he is hard headed and like a rock.
The reason I put pope in italics is because this last one may not be a pope in the traditional sense. He is referred to as a โPontifex Maximus.โ A โpontifexโ is a pontiff. A โPontifex Maximus” is โthe head of the principal college of priests in ancient Rome.โ (Shorter OED.) Of course, it can just mean the Pope. Perhaps this next/last pope will not be chosen easily at the conclave. Once, in the 13th century, it took up to three years to decide on the new pope. Traditionally a 2/3 majority vote plus one is required, but a recent change now allows for a majority of 50% plus one if a pope has not been decided after 38 sessions.
Malachy and Nostradamus both indicate that the next pope will have to leave Rome and even Italy when the really hard times hit. This could suggest the next and last โpopeโ will be from the third world, say Africa or S. America, and the pope leaves for his home there once the Vatican falls. He could then take a drastically weakened Catholicism back to his own country and attempt to keep it alive there. If many of his cardinals are killed when leaving the country he would be unable to fulfill the full functions of a pope, hence he will not be a pope in the true or current sense of the word. How also could a successor be elected when most of the electoral board has been killed off? So we have probably already seen the last real pope. The next will be the lingerer on.
In addition, Peter was evangelical, traveling abroad to spread the word. Thus the appellation Peter or “Petrus” will fit the last pope when he leaves the Vatican and tries to establish his Church in another country.
Whoever โPetrus Romanus” is to be, we will soon know; and his actions alone could reveal his nature as โPetrus Romanus” โ Peter of Rome or the Stone or Rock of Rome.
I think that Chris and other people who have emailed me to point out all of the relevant factors are correct. We are seeing the prophecies unfold and it’s more likely that we will continue to see the occurrence of specific events, as the times fulfill.
I agree with your detailed comments Chris, Thanks for the information.
I would also like to point outthat in Nostrodamus`s Prophecies mention is made to the pope fleeing to the mountains and in his last breath he will remember the Prophecy as he witnesses a giant sunlike event in the sky.
This could be the Apophis asteroid !
“The terrible judge will judge his people” after the destruction of the city with seven hills (rome) as mentioned by Malachy , goes along with the meier information in that a religous fugure is said to lead a fight against those nations responsible for the terrible war.
I don’t think Apophis has anything to do with this, because it threatens Earth in 2029 or 2036. What the Pope might see is the eruption of Vesuvius, which is directly linked to the Vatican “going down”, literally.
So someone who is not known by a rock could not be Petrus Romanus? In the English bits of Meier, I have not seen this unspoken rule. Not that it doesnt exist, I just can’t verify it.
I’m not sure if this will be a bad thing per se regarding the Henok Prophecies. I don’t believe I’ve read anywhere about this specific pope resigning in English from any of the Meier material to date.
There is a chance something may go out of control but I don’t believe that to be the case as so far it is being handled responsibly. Responsibly meaning no hint of a chaotic mess that would lead to bloodshed as some folks may feel regarding the Henok Prophecies. After all, if someone felt they could not fulfill an office or duty, then the most logical, reasonable, and responsible thing to do is resign instead of staying in and potentially make bad decisions or continue to make bad decisions depending on one’s view. Who knows what will happen but I hope it does not fulfill the Henok Prophecies.
One at all familiar with the old Greek plays wherein one tries to evade “fate” must feel the same anxiety trying to avoid it today.
I think Chris’ assertions that the new Pope would be rock hard make the most sense, and I wonder if any hope could be had of influencing Catholics to pressure for a more ‘liberal’ Papacy. I’ve certainly long held that Christianity is dying, and will only live on by heavily adapting itself.
Then again, I wonder if such actions would only cause a negative backlash to occur wherein a highly conservative, harmful tack is taken by the old pillar of Christianity.
Just thinking that the horrific scenario described in the Henoch prophecies is still avoidable, provided humanity starts working toward the better and relinquishes its irresponsible, careless way of life. At the very least, the negative outcome can be lessened depending on how many people are willing to heed the information and act on it.
It reads to me that petrus Romanus will not be this next one elected, but the one after this one voted in. Is this how you guys take it?
Last time I read the henoch prophesies, that was my own understanding. Could be totally off base.
No Stephanie, Because Pope John Paul II was described as the 3rd from last in this position. “Pope John Paul II is the third from last in this position. After him, only one additional pontificate will follow. Then a Pontifex Maximus follows who will be known as Petrus Romanus.
Sorry, just realized John Paul was earlier and Benedict is the one resigning, sorry, haven’t looked at that, feel stupid, sorry, my bad.
Don’t feel bad Stephanie because we are all infant students and in the same proverbial boat regarding The Spiritual Teaching. To paraphrase Ptaah: The capacity for self-recognition of mistakes and self-correction inherently indicates that a person owns within herself the virtues of humbleness, rationality, and wisdom.
Salome
Dear theneuromatrix,
You make very good points in relating that important aspect of the renewed teaching of the truth about the great value in making mistakes, and how we are supposed to learn from mistakes. Unfortunately – or should I say “fortunately”? – due to the language barrier, you made a terrible (but wholly forgivable) mistake when you wrote, ” … the virtues of humbleness.”
Your mistake represents perhaps the most stubborn and provocative of all mis-translation problems by which non-German-reading Meier students are so badly misled.
Sadly, due to the historical efforts to make it ever more difficult for us Earthlings to understand each other, as described by Quetzal in 1989 (http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/meierv5p50-52.htm), many of todayโs English-only folks are no longer taught the enormous difference between โhumbleness/humilityโ (Demut) and โmodestyโ (Bescheidenheit). And a really huge difference does indeed exist which profoundly misleads people about one of the most fundamental and important aspects of Billyโs precious texts. And there are still lots of mis-translations out there doing this. So Iโve collected a few, below, (some of which may have been corrected already) in my sincere effort to try to help other sincere people to learn from these mistakes.
And there are also some good examples of the evils of humility mixed in among them.
So any serious students of the Meier texts, who still have to rely on unavoidably impoverished English translations, will want to read and understand the following which I’ve edited out of some of my old FIGU forum contributions.
Salome everybody, and keep on striving to strive. ๐
Humility (Latin from humis[dirt]) is what’s WRONG with this sorry planet, and is at the core of the false religious sophistry from the Bafath. I’ve got to admit that I’m shocked, but a search of the forum archives for “humble” shows 60 hits, MOST of which portray it in a favourable light, so non-German-readers and/or newbies can be excused, to some extent. I forget how little is in English.
In short:
HUMILITY (submissiveness) is BAD
MODESTY (not big-noting yourself) is GOOD.
Here are a few significant examples:
65. You have come to teach oneness and unity, however not humility, subservience and bondage or enslaved servitude and fanaticism, and, however, also not disunity and dualism or trinity, as it is with certain religions.
http://www.theyfly.com/news2005/november06/Nov2006/sfth_exp.htm
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746. Friedliche farbige Menschenrassen wurden seit Jahrhunderten, und werden noch zur Jetztzeit, durch die weissen Rassen missioniert und unter die Demutfuchtel ihrer christlichen Religion gebracht.
746. Peaceful, coloured human races were for centuries, and still are in the current time, missionised to by the white races and brought under their Christian religionโs sword of humility.
http://www.theyfly.com/lost/Archives/meier.aa76,91.htm
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OM says that neither the JHWH nor the prophet exercise force or coercion, nor do they teach that force and coercion (power and force) should be exercised. Neither are they punishing, nor do they order punishment. But gods and idols demand subordination and humility before them, and they create force and coercion, and therefore exploitation and enslavement through angst and fear which results in the subjugation and breaking of the will in the case of independent and self-determining thoughts and behaviour.
http://www.theyfly.com/PDF/The%20Jschwjsch%20is%20Human.pdf
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THE PROBLEM. Beare (pp. 375-376) observed that children are not usually considered humble. Instead, we all know that they are free of pretense and full of curiosity. As expressed by James Van Praagh, A child is one of life’s greatest teachers. Children’s points of view are honest and free. Their minds have not become imprisoned and conditioned by fears and insecurities that grip adults. A child understands simplicity and views life as a playful adventure. There is no judgment or motive behind the words of a child. They know who they are and what they want and will tell you so without your even asking.[1] If some children seem humble in the presence of adults, it is only because they are shy, or have been disciplined to remain quiet then, or taught to be wary of strangers. But this represents inexperience or obedience, not humility.
SOLUTION. By not being subject to this problem, while at the same time being meaningful and inspiring, the TJ passage can be seen to have been the source of the Matthean verses. Jmmanuel’s emphasis on seeking knowledge and wisdom as the purpose of life for all people was considered by the compiler of Matthew to be heretical or threatening to the clergy and/or church. This compiler had earlier in his gospel promoted humility as a Christian virtue, and in repeating the theme here, he evidently failed to realize that fallaciousness crept in during his editing.
http://www.tjresearch.info/mt18.htm
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(official FIGU mis-translation?)
Appropriate, however, are humility and a style of disseminating the teachings which is not aimed at gathering followers and attracting the faithful, and someone who functions in a way where the people who are genuinely on a quest for the truth feel themselves addressed by that person.
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Interview_with_Billy_%281998%29
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โThe KNOWLEDGE that Creation calls for, from every human, is not built on a blind trust in a humiliating creed. It calls for seeking, researching and recognition, because it grows out of the cognition of Creation’s laws for the adherence to all laws and directives, thereby, however, also for wisdom and correct management.โ From the book Arahat Athersata.
50. Wahrheit fรผgt das Wissen zusammen, baut auf und bildet als Essenz die Weisheit; Glaube aber zwingt zu unbeweisbaren Ansichten, zu sklavischer Demut und Ergebenheit, so er zerstรถrend und trennend sich auswirkt in allen Belangen des Lebens.
50. Truth joins knowledge together, and builds up and forms wisdom as its essence, but belief compels to views which cannot be proven, to slavish humility and resignation, so it works itself out destructively and divisively in all matters of life.โ from the book Arahat Athersata
42. Beim Menschen aber wird der Unterschiedlichkeit Rechnung getragen und der Geschicklichkeit und Klugheit, mit denen die Schwรคcheren unterdrรผckt und ausgebeutet werden.
42. But with the human, an account is made of the diversity, and skillfulness and cleverness, with which the weaker are oppressed and exploited.
43. Der dem Stรคrkeren Unterlegene aber hรผllt sich ein in ein Kleid der Demut, des Hรถrigseins und der Ergebenheit und verliert dadurch jegliche Initiative, sich gegen Ungerechtigkeiten und die Herrschsucht des Stรคrkeren aufzulehnen, wรคhrend sich der Stรคrkere noch mehr in seine Machtposition hineinlebt.
43. But the one oppressed by the stronger wraps himself in a cloak of humility, of slavishness and acquiescence, and thereby loses any initiative to rebel against the unfairness and the desire for dominion of the one who is stronger, while the stronger one establishes himself in his position of might even more.
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Arahat_Athersata_Overpopulation
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(machine mis-translation – should be “modesty”)
70. Auch verschiedenste Malwerke, also Gemรคlde, die Rembrandt zugesprochen werden, fรผhren wahrheitlich nicht auf ihn, sondem auf seine Gattin Saskia zurรผck, die in bezug auf ihre grosse Kunst in tiefer Bescheidenheit lebte und den ganzen Ruhm ihrem Gatten รผberliess.
70. Also, the most diverse painted works, so the paintings that are attributed to Rembrandt, do not truly trace back to him but, instead, to his wife, Saskia, who lived in deep humility in relation to her great skill and left all the fame to her husband.
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_212
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57. Seit eh und je forderte Gott des Menschen Blut und Leben, und er forderte untertรคnige Demut.
57. For as long as anyone can remember God demanded of humans blood and lives, and he demanded obedient humility.
58. Die Schรถpfung aber bestimmt ni cht Demut, sondern Menschlichkeit und Menschenwรผrde, und sie bestimmt Liebe und Leben.
58. Creation however intends not humility, but humanity and human dignity, and it intends love and life.
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/meier/gaiaguys/OM.52.1-63.htm
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65. Du bist gekommen, um die Einheit und Eintracht zu lehren, nicht jedoch Demut, Unterwรผrfigkeit und Knechtschaft oder Hรถrigkeit und Fanatismus, so aber auch nicht Zwiespรคltigkeit und Dualismus oder Trinitรคt wie gewisse Religionen.
65. You have come to teach oneness and unity, however not humility, subservience and bondage or enslaved servitude and fanaticism, and, however, also not disunity and dualism or trinity, as it is with certain religions.
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/meier/gaiaguys/meier.v1p11-20.htm
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118) Es wird sich ergeben, dass die Menschen tatenlos sein werden, mit leerem Blick umhergehen und nicht wissen, wohin sie gehen sollen, denn wenn die Religionen und Sekten verschwinden, werden sie keine Kultstรคtten und keine Kultprediger sowie keine Sektenfรผhrer mehr haben, die sie in die Irre und Wirrnis fรผhren kรถnnen, weshalb sie erst ziellos sein werden oder wie ein keimender Same, der noch keine Wurzeln schlagen kann, folglich die Menschen hoffnungslos, entblรถsst, gedemรผtigt umherirren und รผberall sinnlos einen Halt suchen werden, den sie aber erst finden, wenn sie sich der schรถpferischen Wahrheit und den schรถpferischen Gesetzen und Geboten zuwenden; erst jedoch werden sie sich selbst hassen und bekรคmpfen und ihr Leben hassen, ehe sie den Weg zur Wahrheit finden.
118.) It will come to pass that the humans will become inactive, going around with an empty look and not knowing where they should go because when the religions and sects disappear they will have no more cult places and no more cult preachers and no more sect leaders who can lead them in madness and confusion, which is why they will initially be without a goal, or like a germinating seed that cannot yet strike roots, so, as a result, the human wanders around without hope, destitute, humbled, and senselessly seeking everywhere for a foothold, which they first, however, find when they utilize the creational truth and the creational laws and directives; but first, they will hate and fight themselves and hate their lives before they find the path to truth.
127) Und es kommt die Zeit im Dritten Jahrtausend, da grosse Teile der Kontinente verschwinden und die Menschen auf die Berge flรผchten mรผssen, doch ihr Sinn an die Katastrophen wird nur von kurzer Dauer sein, denn sie werden alles schnell vergessen und darum bemรผht sein, vieles wieder aufzubauen, denn bereits schaffen sie sich durch Kino und Fernsehen sowie spรคter durch eine weltweite Vernetzung von Computern und Elektronik Trugbilder, durch die sie sich selbst tรคuschen und Dinge sehen, die nicht existieren und nur visuell fรผr die Augen bestimmt sind, folglich ihr Sinn fรผr die Realitรคt schwindet und sie zwischen Wirklichkeit und Fiktion nicht mehr unterscheiden kรถnnen, wodurch sie sich immer mehr im Labyrinth des Lebens verlieren, wรคhrend jene, welche die Trugbilder kommerziell sowie religiรถs und sektiererisch erzeugen, leichtes Spiel mit den glรคubigen Menschen haben, sie in allen mรถglichen Formen betrรผgen und zu demรผtigen Wesen wie unterwรผrfige Hunde machen.
127.) And in the Third Millennium the time comes when big parts of the continents disappear and the people will have to flee to the mountains, yet their sense of the catastrophes will only be of short duration, because they will forget everything again quickly and therefore make an effort to do much rebuilding, because they are already creating phantasmagoria, through movies and television, as well as later through a worldwide netting of computers and electronics, through which they deceive themselves and see things that do not exist, and are only visually determined for the eye, subsequently their sense for reality disappears and they can no longer distinguish between reality and fiction, whereby they lose themselves more and more in the labyrinth of life, while those who produce phantasms commercially as well as religious and sectarian phantasms, have an easy game with the people of faith, who they deceive in every possible manner and make them into humble beings, like cringing dogs.
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/MEIERPROPHECIES1958.htm
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505. Earth Humans, quite especially, are ruled by the erroneous and dangerous view that a good announcer of truth, a good preacher or a good teacher of the true teachings, etc., and also a good prophet, must be full of humble bearing, only speak pleasing and elegant, chosen and diplomatic words, and must always be friendly.
http://www.theyfly.com/news2005/sept05/sept05.htm
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Eine alte Voraussage spricht davon, dass die Frauen im dritten Jahrtausend das Ruder in die Hand nehmen und Frieden, Freiheit, Liebe und Harmonie schaffen werden, folglich die Mรคnner gezwungen werden, ihre jahrtausendealte Gewaltherrschaft abzugeben. Wahrlich eine sehr erfreuliche Voraussage, die aber vorerst in den Anfรคngen auch ihre Nachteile bringt, denn erstlich gelangen viele Frauen an die Macht, die so selbstherrlich und dรคmlich sind wie jene “Herren”, die in ihrer Macht baden, Kriege heranzรผchten, das Volk terrorisieren und in diesem jene ihnen demรผtigen, unterwรผrfigen Idioten suchen, die ihnen hรถrig sind.
An ancient prediction speaks of women who, in the third millennium, will come into power and will create peace, freedom, love and harmony; subsequently men will be forced to relinquish their despotic rule they have kept for thousands of years. Truly a very pleasant prediction but it will bring disadvantages in the beginning because at first, women will come into powerful positions who are just as overbearing and idiotic as those “gentlemen” who bask in their power and create wars, terrorize the people and look for humble and submissive idiots who will be in bondage to them.
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/FIGU_Bulletin_46
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Gegensรคtzlich steht dazu die Dankbarkeit der Glรคubigen, und zwar fรผr die Verschรถnung des รbels, das nicht auf sie eingebrochen ist, weil sie sich gemรคss ihrem Glauben demรผtig im Gebet an ihren Gott und in Verehrung seiner gรถttlichen Gewalt hรผndisch erniedrigt haben.
Opposing this stands the gratitude of the believers, namely for the embellishment of the evil that hasnโt broken in on them because, in accordance with their faith, they have humbled themselves like dogs in prayer to their God and in worship of his divine power.
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Faith_%28Belief%29_and_God
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Wahrlich, es ist weder ein Gott noch eine Religion, die dir wahre Liebe, Frieden, Freiheit und Harmonie bringen kann, und zwar auch dann nicht, wenn du dich noch so hรผndisch demรผtig in inbrรผnstigen Gebeten flehend in den Staub wirfst.
Truly, it is neither a god nor a religion that can bring you true love, peace, freedom and harmony, and indeed also not even if you still throw yourself humbly in the dust supplicating in a dog-like manner in fervent praying.
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Human_being_of_the_Earth
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505. Ganz besonders beim Erdenmenschen herrscht die irrige und gefรคhrliche Ansicht vor, dass ein guter Wahrheitskรผnder, ein guter Prediger oder ein guter Lehrer der Wahrheitslehre usw. und also auch ein guter Prophet voller demรผtiger Haltung sein mรผsse, nur liebe und feine, gewรคhlte und diplomatische Worte sprechen und allzeit nur freundlich sein mรผsse.
505. With Earth humans, predominates quite especially, the erroneous and dangerous view that a good announcer of truth, a good preacher or a good teacher of the true teachings, and so forth, and therefore also a good prophet, must be full of humble bearing, only speak pleasing and elegant, chosen and diplomatic words, and must always only be friendly.
506. Gerade so mรผsse es sein, denken die Erdenmenschen, wie z.B. der Papst sich benehme und also viele Pfarrherren und Sektenfรผhrer, die wahrheitlich jedoch nichts anderes tun, als ihr wahres Gesicht zu verstecken und freundlich-nรคchstenliebend zu erscheinen, um dadurch ihre Glรคubigen รผber ihr tatsรคchliches Wesen irrezufรผhren und sie ausbeuten zu kรถnnen.
506. The Earth humans think it must be just the same as, for example, the Pope comports himself, and therefore many gentleman ministers and sect leaders, who truthfully, however, do nothing other than hide their true faces and appear friendly and neighbour-loving, to thereby mislead their believers about their actual nature, and to be able to exploit them.
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/meierv6p379.htm
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Cult-Religion: Worship of gods, people, objects, things, sanctuaries, etc in a humble and very often fearful and fanatical form in combination with rituals, adorations and sacrifices.
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/meier/gaiaguys/glossary.htm
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Lieber spenden die Menschen der Erde โ weil sie religiรถse, sektiererische, ideologische oder philosophische Glรคubige sind โ sehr viel Geld fรผr die Religionen, Ideologien und Philosophien sowie fรผr Kriege usw., weil sie glauben, damit ihr Seelenheil oder ihre Sicherheit erkaufen zu kรถnnen. Sie hoffen so, in den Himmel zu kommen und demรผtig und anbetend vor den Fรผssen ihres imaginรคren, erdichteten Gottes im himmlischen Staube liegen zu dรผrfen, oder in ihrem Land sicher vor Terroristenanschlรคgen usw. zu sein, wenn sie Kriege befรผrworten, von denen sie aber auch zu profitieren hoffen, wenn sie ihre Gelder darein stecken.
The human beings on Earth would rather donate โ because they are religious, sectarian, ideological, or philosophical believers โ a lot of money to religions, ideologies and philosophies as well as for wars etc., because they believe to be able to buy their salvation or security. They hope to enter heaven in this way and be allowed to humble and worship in the heavenly dust at the feet of their imaginary god; or they hope to be protected from terrorist attacks in their country etc., when supporting wars from which they also hope to benefit when putting their money into them.
http://www.theyfly.com/newsflash93/Regarding%20Translation%20of%20Meier%27s%20Newest%20Book.pdf
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(machine mis-translation – should be “modest”)
Wirklich, es ist mir eine grosse Freude, dich wieder einmal zu sehen. Sei willkommen in meinem bescheidenen Bau.
Really, it gives me great pleasure to see you once again. Be welcome in my humble abode.
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_191
As I understand it
1.Pope John Paul II is the “third from last in this position”.
2. After him, only one additional pontificate will follow. =Benidict
3.Then a Pontifex Maximus follows who will be known as Petrus Romanus = Unknown, will be known as , in on other words “AKA”
Michael, Pravda, in Russia posted the prophesy of the Irish prophet (below) and it was long preceded Billy Meir’s prediction. How can that be?
New Pontiff to be the last, Irish prophet says
12.02.2013 | Source: Pravda.Ru
After abdication, Pope Benedict XVI will devote his days to praying, thinking, and possibly writing, a spokesman for the Vatican told reporters Monday. He added that Benedict XVI would most likely go to a monastery in the Vatican after abdication.
Meanwhile, it has been reported that the new Pope will be elected by Easter, which this year will take place on March 31. According to the prophecy of St. Malachy, the new Pontiff will be the last.
Pope’s brother Georg Ratzinger said that the decision of Benedict XVI (Joseph Ratzinger) was “natural” as it was getting increasingly difficult for him to walk. “Age crushes on him. My brother wants to rest,” – said Georg, who is 4 years older than his brother.
A number of leading political figures, including Italian Prime Minister Mario Monti and German Chancellor Angela Merkel, expressed sympathy for the resignation of the Pontiff.
Saint Malachy was an Irish saint and Archbishop of Armagh, to whom were attributed several miracles and a vision of the identity of the last 112 Popes. He was the first Irish saint to be canonised by a pope.
The Prophecy of the Popes, attributed to Saint Malachy, is a list of 112 short phrases in Latin. They purport to describe each of the Roman Catholic popes (along with a few anti-popes), beginning with Pope Celestine II (elected in 1143) and concluding with current pope Benedict XVI’s successor, a pope described in the prophecy as “Peter the Roman”, whose pontificate will end in the destruction of the city of Rome.
Ron,
We must remember that there have been various seekers throughout history who’ve had accurate visions, etc. What separates Meier is the overwhelming volume of specific, prophetically accurate scientific and world event related information that is virtually devoid of erroneous information. Such specificity as contained in/linked from this information is unparalleled and, fortunately, now being acknowledged by intelligent, object, interested people.
I personally hope that Vesuvius will erupt soon and the Vatican will sink into “the fires of hell”. That would be the perfect irony and I would laugh about and drink to it. And the best part is, the believers would then have to think about their nonsensical beliefs and hopefully change their minds. So I don’t consider this part of the prophecies to be something negative, quite the opposite.
More about this prophecy can be found here:
http://theyfly.com/news2005/march05/march05.htm
I know, Michael, thanks, but the WWIII part doesn’t have to come true. I don’t see it coming. With Obama in the office there will not be an attack on Iran or Syria and therefore no World War. There will be “smaller” wars though, of course.
What is very interesting to me is the fact that there is a Cardinal that is expected to be a front runner in the list of possible cardinals to become the next pope, and his name is Peter Turkson, from Ghana. Here we have the possibility of a pope that already carries the name Peter. If Peter Turkson is elected pope, would the Vatican change his name or could they possibly retain his real name?
And it’s important to note that Peter Turkson is not (unless evidence to the contrary can be produced) the same person as Peter Halsten Thorkelson, aka Peter Tork (whose birthday is coincidentally today, February 13), one of the original members of the Monkees rock band. Any connection between one of the Monkees and a…primate of the Catholic Church must also be purely coincidental.
“Here we come….walk’in down the street…..we get the funniest looks from…..everyone we meet”
FANTASTIC Michael, thanks for all your hard work……and the hint of levity!!!!