The new film on the Billy Meier case And Did They Listen? has just been released.
It’s a very different approach than any of my previous films. It’s a look back at the present time on Earth – from the future – when we had access to all of the authenticated evidence of Meier’s 70+ years of contacts with the Plejaren.
What we do with this information now will largely determine what’s to come. With humanity offered a chance to rewrite our future history, the only question is…
And Did They Listen?
Hi dyson
I just spent some time your site and I would like to commend you on your work. It appears you are very thorough in your reading and helping put together this big puzzle.
May I ask. Having read through the prophecies, would you speculate when you think the last pope may leave his throne and the civil wars that are predicted might break out in the u.s. I have my own ideas but your educated guess is probably better than mine.
Any other links of your work that gives your thoughts and analysis on the goblet. OM would be wonderful.
Thanks
Thanks, doirecity, but what you see on FoM & theyfly is only a very tiny fraction (the small Meier section) of our old domain which eventually got Vivienne and me sentenced to nine months prison* for not taking it down – well AFTER we already had acted on Ptaah’s sudden (somewhat edited, as it turns out!) advice and we’d already pulled the plug. (So I can understand the appeal of imprisoning people trying to report on the truth about Fukushima.) But if you look hard enough, you’ll find all sorts of stuff tricking back onto the Net again these days, now that we’re approaching the end times and the golden radiation from the galactic central sun is kicking in. Or so they tell us. We have no control over that and do not advocate breaking any laws.
Our gracious host Michael is already upset with me for hogging so much bandwidth here, so forget any ideas you might have about contributions about the Goblet & OM. But there’s a bit here:
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/Om.htm
& here:
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/GodsHuman.htm
In so far as the USA’a next civil wars are concerned, I’d rather not speculate.
I’m not at liberty to tell you more.
Cheers!
*remitted after serving two months.
Dyson,
I’m sure you got a lot on your plate… and we keep trying to pile more on. But, one more thing I’ve been meaning to ask you if you don’t mind. Since you appear so adept at reading between the lines in Billy’s words, was hoping you could comment on my own Meier material conspiracy.
I have long thought that certain plant-drugs, “magic mushrooms” and the like, contain an evolutive-/self-reflective-/insight-gaining- capability etc. I was puzzled to hear FIGU’s position that speaks to the contrary.
Actually, it’s not even much a conspiracy, Meir himself, in the Questions to Billy section, said as much, citing the African Iboga plant as means to help with the telepathy ability.
Do you have any thoughts on/experience with so-called psychedelic drugs? Anything negative or positive to say about them? Do you think FIGU is playing hide-the-ball here as well?
Yo Andy!
You know me. Too much on my plate is never enough! And there’s always a place for you at my table, brother. I thank you for your incisive defences here of the plain truth and common sense.
Staying strictly on theme, of course, what we do with this information now will largely determine what’s to come. With humanity offered a chance to rewrite our future history, the only question is…And Did They Listen?
I know it may not seem like it, but I exercise a fair bit of discretion when revealing Billy’s material to the English-not-German-language world. And this is particularly so when dealing with the most sensitive topics, particularly the LEGAL ones. And Billy himself, as you know, also has to be very careful about what he says and how he says it. To paraphrase a Serbian friend of mine, the Earth is a small pond full of crocodiles.
I think it’s actually against most, if not all, countries’ laws (for those not above the law of course!) to be even tacitly suggesting that people break the law – particularly laws to do with the (lost but not fully won) “War of Drugs” which started in earnest in the early 70s.
To make my creationally-appointed personal responsibility even greater, it seems like almost every time I try to communicate some corrective Meier idea publicly, it is seemingly deliberately taken out of the rest of any context that might remain after I’ve already removed it from the original text. It’s twisted, screwed up, mangled and mutated so much that we get, for instance, Billy teaching that we should not hesitate to believe! I think it’s safe to say, in light of those 22 assassination attempts (NOT “22 assignation attempts”! Ha ha! Overenthusiastic spellcheck, but he’d have had them too I reckon!) that some of these distortions would be quite deliberate by those packs of wolves in sheep’s clothing I mentioned. The upshot of all this is that I know a lot of Billy’s stuff that I simply will not share with the English speakers publicly because a certain effort has to be made by the readers in order to be psychically strong enough (in general) to understand the material in its context and wisely deal with it with others. And that effort mainly consists of climbing up and over the language barrier that surrounds Billy’s work. It’s a little like a sincerity test or an initiation ordeal.
You know the drill, Andy. “… if all knowledge was simply tossed out to them [the Earth humans] like feed and they fed on it thoughtlessly and without processing, then it would bring no proper success, but rather only a certain school-knowledge, while the undigested remainder would be secreted again as excrement.”
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/meierv5p468.htm
Yes. I’m an ex-con, but until our “religious vilification tribunal” prison terms, we’d never ever had even so much as a parking infringement, being habitual, nauseatingly law-abiding do-gooders. So I personally am not really into drugs (except caffeine, alcohol, etc. in moderation) and certainly nothing “hard” or very psychedelic, so I can’t speak from much personal experience, but Billy has – as you can imagine – a fair bit to say about the topic of consciousness in general and he says a bit about pharmacologically altered consciousness too in his untranslated books, which seems to dovetail with the information I’ve managed to winnow out from the Dark Order’s mountains of chaff about drugs. Who’s the big drug-pusher? Big Pharma. It’s where all the (“legal”) money has been made (up until now, in Colorado).
http://www.healthline.com/health-news/policy-seventy-percent-of-americans-take-prescription-drugs-062113 (“Critics who say antidepressant medications are overused often claim there is a chicken-and-egg phenomenon, saying that antidepressants are prescribed for normal human reactions to life events, leading to a lasting diagnosis of mental illness.”)
The ferocity of the war to control our collective consciousness, waged by the (literally) bloodthirsty Control Group, can hardly be underestimated, and an objective study of the social history of psychogenic substances in the “modern Western World” is very instructive.
I was given an interesting documentary video recently called, “ENTHEOGEN – Awakening the Divine Within” which, although with a few predicable religious overtones, is worth watching, I think.
Alcohol is THE huge killer and social problem (alcohol dissolves families), but we still see racing car drivers (?!) surrounded by colourful advertising for it on TV “news” at night, and grog being practically pushed down the throats of teenagers! But don’t get caught with ibogaine, pal, which can provide a one-dose cure of addictions of all kinds! Tells you all you need to know.
I — — — USED to have a lot of absolutely SHOCKING information drawn from openly published sources on the Net, down at the bottom of this page
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/meierv5p50-52.htm
about the “Jack Awards” and its occult associations
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Awards
but I don’t blame our friend James at all for being prudent about a future for futureofmankind and expunging it!
So, bottom line – do your own research – don’t just believe anybody, even Billy, and don’t live in a fools’ paradise about those currently in power. And don’t disrespect Creation and/or your precious current incarnation by abusing untrustworthy or dangerous drugs.
Sorry I couldn’t be more help, Andy.
Cheers!
That was perfectly helpful. Regards.
First off, great video. You made very good points throughout the movie without trying to cohere people into believing, but to get them to THINK about it with all the information that has been provided since Meier’s case has started.
I might add that the house you had in Brazil, is my ideal home that I would like to have and live off of someday.
The one thing skeptics will never do is read, and we know that. They always look at the photos first, but fail to read the contact reports, prophecies and predictions, and the corroborations that have came after Meier’s material.
Dear Tony,
You write, “Everything you said related to me is incorrect, and this is the last time I will converse with you, because I don’t think you are capable of understanding me.”
I’m not surprised that you’d say that. You hardly had a choice.
And as usual, we seem to disagree about this too, but I have a clear conscience about that as well.
I think I might just understand you pretty well because I can simply judge you by your work.
Let me just leave you, please, with a well-motivated and hopeful quote from the draft of the same section of “How to Live”, which I know you haven’t read yet and with which you might be able to resonate someday.
“Wanting to shine in such a form and posturing with the fellow human beings represents truthly nothing other than a flight from oneself because one’s own ego cannot be made sufficiently cultivated in order to be able to fulfil one’s duty to oneself and one’s own duty. For this reason, such a human being always rather concerns himself/herself about the deeds of others instead of about the appropriate and required formation of his/her own character, duty to himself/herself, of his/her own duty, and their fulfilment.”
Salome.
OM 32:1068 “Schöne Worte sind selten wahr, wahre Worte aber nicht schön.” (Beautiful words are seldom true, true words however are not beautiful.)
Hi Michael,
I’m going to post some Astrological predictions, a few of the 100 that I have made for the next 12 months. I practice a very unique (to Earth), astronomically correct form of Astrology. But let me say again, that I have never been 100% accurate in my yearly predictions in my 30+ years as a professional astrologer. Though, I have achieved a very high percentage at times, as high as 90%. Predictive Astrology still needs more work, and better computer technology, in order to have a consistently high accuracy rate. Of course, no astrologer can compare to the Ps in accuracy with their “views into the future” technology and their time travel capabilities.
Astrology is a very useful science when it comes to self-analysis and self-knowledge, as well as understanding all relationships, career choices, and financial matters, etc. But Predictive Astrology is still very much a work in progress.
Below are a few references to Astrology in the Meier material.
“There are virtually never any incompatible couples due to the use of advanced astrology and other social sciences.
Thus there are virtually never any divorces on Erra and furthermore, all childrens’ well-being is guaranteed.”
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Erra
“These priests were also responsible for astrology and for the observation of the stars and, logically, also for the calculations of the calendars because time and its activity played a very important and central role in the thinking and life of the Maya.”
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_134
Semjase’s birthday – February 7th – 54.110-113
“When the Plejaren 13 month calendar is converted into Earth’s 12-month chronology per year, then Semjase’s birthday would fall on the 7th of February. Her birth is under the astrology sign of Aquarius. These star signs have been known since ancient times on Earth by our common forefathers and the same signs were transferred to the Pleja System. But from their perspective, the positions are greatly shifted and result in another arrangement.”
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Chapter_4_-_PLEYARENS
So, here are my predictions, let’s see how I fare.
1. Major Earthquake Catastrophes in the following countries:
– Chile, Japan, Indonesia, Philippines, and China.
2. Weather:
– Record level rainfall and floods in the USA.
– Record breaking cold weather in USA, crops ruined in Florida, California, and other states.
3. Deaths:
– Kim Jong Un, leader of North Korea (poisoned).
– Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, England (cancer).
– Morgan Freeman, actor (heart).
– Larry King, talk show host (lungs).
4. The Economy:
– US economy will not improve, unemployment rises.
– Gold prices will reach $1900 – $2000 again.
– Many people will realize that Obamacare is an insurance companies scam.
5. Terrorism and War:
– Terrorist attack in Russia affects 25,000+ people.
– War between Israel/US and Iran starts.
Thank you.
So Billy’s wrong about astrology?
How could one contact you off the blog.
My email is tv723astro@gmail.com
How does your astronomic calculations work exactly? Do you compute these things into a program of some sorts. I don’t see a reference to the Meier material that explains what it is you are doing to determine your accuracy as quite obviously those links do not substantiate your methods of predictions.
And did they listen?
The USA has the most to answer for and the people of my country do nothing but continue the conditioning that brings us farther down the road to destruction.
http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/19-numbers-which-prove-that-americans-are-angrier-and-more-frustrated-than-ever
Living in the heart of this country, it all to often feels like we are obviously being conditioned to be more angry, frustrated, egotistical, and just plain old rude in every aspect of our lives.
The energy of the mind seems to flow in a down word motion with most in this country… not to bring up the negative for only that reason… but to think about it into something positive, for myself if no one else.
Seems this conditioning is a pr-request for the next step/stage of their plot.
Only if we could take our country back! Change the path we are on for something better. Yet, it will never change if we don’t think about it..express it.
I find myself trying to be overly nice to people sometimes if for no reason other than to try and change their obvious negative vibe towards EVERYTHING. What a dream:) Like talking common sense with Phil Langdon:)
If I was not so involved with my family and friends I would get the H$#L out of dodge… though, I am here at this very moment in hope that something better can come about, maybe even if it is just within me…
I hope those residing in this country are at least minimally prepared for the obvious paths are brothers and sisters hopefully don’t lead us down.
Find thought in everything… never let the system dictate how you treat your neighbor. When push comes to shove…. we are our biggest resource!!
I hope everyone can walk out their front door and talk to a neighbor about the world we live in.. we need to get out on the street and express our situation in this country!!!!!
You have to watch with those sources to ensure they’re not “sectarian forces” as mentioned in the Meier material. Religious behavior is not solely limited to a religious setting and many times those sites reek of just what the Meier material warned of. Some of those types of websites also stink of re-worded Soviet era propaganda which should be treated differently from legitimate citizen’s concern to one’s own country.
Hello Duke,
Very true!!
More than not they seem to always have a “hidden meaning”(and actual meaning) that has nothing to do with reality.. or are a far fetch, from what Billy and the Plejaren are trying to portray.. in my opinion.
I guess it was my way of trying to correlate with a personal vibe that many(by no means the norm, most don’t “care” either way) within this country love to follow. In thus, one more reason why what Billy is saying about America truly rings with the truth.
I wouldn’t go as far as to call this a “source” as much of an example of why, and for one more reason how the people of America did not and probably wont listen for a long time.
Though in being amongst America and having done A LOT of “trolling” on her current and alarming ills… through that given by my fellow humans. The article to me… as irrelevant as it is, I think portrays a small but very true glimpse into the preconditioning that in a way, has been and will prove to lead us down a road to nothing good…
And for me, it is definitely a legitimate citizens concern to my current country.. USA.
It’s possible Philip (what do I know, I’m some guy on the internet as Dyson said one time).
It could also be someone taking advantage of folks vulnerability, fears, concerns, etc. For example, just because someone treats a stack of news as the Bible and comes off preachy on subject matter, it does not validate their assumptions and shaded view of the events or discussion on the subject matter. Regardless of how someone screams its the truth in your ear, its their perspective they want you believe. We’re all here very much to make a determined effort to figure it out ourselves.
After all, you have to ask yourself after the fact, did you experience what they described BEFORE those neer-do-wells gave you an explanation? It’s a literal case in point where a joke is made in the Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy “Answer to The Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe, and Everything” is 42. Then you ask what exactly was the question. It’s the same process with these types of websites that tend to creep around as if they were literally selling snake oil.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snake_oil
“It could also be someone taking advantage of folks vulnerability, fears, concerns, etc”
You took the words out of my thoughts… yet, in not so many of them:)
I did in fact know of all the gunk within this “article” before it caught my eye. I guess for me, the best way to understand this ill country, is to get down into the trenches. To try and see what everyone is exposed too. In light then maybe I can be more inclined to find ways to help us, including myself, get out of the mess we have created.
They wont listen…. so in a way I feel inclined to “go to them” and maybe not in anything other than within my own thoughts.
A dangerous road of mixing comprehension but I feel it has opened my eyes a little bigger.. I am no “guru” of any particular subject matter!
As you have stated we are all here very much to make a determined effort to figure it out ourselves.
As much as I wish to “turn off” that what resides around me within this country… If others wish to turn off the country they live in, than that is also there obvious right.
Just as you have put it “just because someone treats a stack of news as the Bible and comes off preachy on subject matter, it does not validate their assumptions and shaded view of the events or discussion on the subject matter. Regardless of how someone screams its the truth in your ear, its their perspective they want you believe.” This is the corner stone of 99% of everything “out there”? Yet, these folks selling and buying “snake oil” are our brothers and sisters… lest we just throw them to the dogs?
I just don’t know how…..
And Dyson and Vivienne(FIGU Australia).. as well as FIGU Canada cant translate fast enough to quench the thirst of my need to read:)
Dear Philip,
Good posts, thanks. I’m very much in agreement with you.
You write, “I am here at this very moment in hope that something better can come about, maybe even if it is just within me…”
That really touched my heart. It so obviously applies to everybody on planet Earth.
“we are our biggest resource” Very well put. Reminds me of, “We are the change we’ve been waiting for”.
I can answer Michael’s question, “And did they listen?”.
No. And that’s why history has to repeat itself until they do.
Billy teaches that we create logical hope, which “is equipped with an enormous might”, within us first. He also says some very hopeful things about hope in Might of the Thoughts:
“If a danger emerges, then hope must not be lost, while a giving up must absolutely not be considered.” p.366
“.. for the [neutral] positive thinker, there is no situation, no occurrence and also nothing else from which he/she would not draw evolutive benefit, because everything in him/her is directed such that the way which best promises success is always searched for and taken, in the constant hope that everything may certainly succeed. The hope is also a part of the consciousness, and is tended and nurtured in thoughts; consequently, it is also equipped with an enormous might. However, hope must always be neutral-positive-equalised, which means that it is only useful when it carries within it a progressive determination, which is directed at a well-thought-out, good, right, healthy and therefore positive Ziel, which was created from an idea, into an ideal, an imagination and striving. But if hope is only connected with purely idea-based wishes or desires, then it has no determining value and is extinguished in the winds of speculative ideas, which are either likewise extinguished, or are fully expressed in unreal, harmful and negative kind and wise and contain no form of evolutive value.” p.384
*Ziel: [tsi:l] (pl Ziele) For Billy, the English terms “aim” or “goal” are simply not acceptable as translations for Ziel. Translations such as “end” or “culmination point” describe it better, but these are still inadequate, and so the German has been carried into the English translation.
Hang in there, Philip. We’re all in this together.
Solidarity!
Hello Dyson,
It is one heck of a roller coaster ride to be alive at this moment… for myself.
I have much joy in my heart, to get the chance to express my thoughts to all of you here. It gives me even more joy to have the chance to read, learn, and think from and with you all as well.
In such… People have the ability to see past the negative and to truly make the attached article null and void. We are of course only human… destine to change for the better.
Speaking/writing only English… and not always so good:) All my translated books are like precious jewels.
Might of the Thoughts has given me a lot to think about, it never sees-es to amaze me how powerful each and everyone of us is, within our own thoughts.
I am going to read a few more sections tonight once again… and ponder the utter peace that can be created/resides within myself.
Best regards,
Here’s a link to a couple of very good 2003 articles about the USA from the Sydney Morning Herald (And did they listen? No.) which also contains a link to an excellent short letter from my old Air Force buddy, Rico Vicino, a really bright and good guy who went on to become a leader in the U.S.A.’s “Veterans for Peace” movement, bless him. He’s also a fellow tuba player.
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/america.sick.smh165.12.03.htm
A very good article and letter!
Julien Ninio brings up a lot of awesome ideas and thoughts. Truly a fruitful way to live. Break the chains of materialism… Go with out that which you don’t truly need. Would save a lot of people a lot of agony in this country.. including myself. Though it will take some pain to get to eventually:)
Amazing looking how far this country has eroded in even 11 years!
Unfortunately chapter 6 would be 100 pages if he had written it today. I can only imagine quite a few other chapters would have greatly expanded as well.
Was right down my ally:)
Peace
Is it somehow on topic?
Well Billy being non-materialistic, as well as the Plejaren figured that was relevant, but yes is obviously not that of Billy’s writing…
And thus is quite of topic on that note..
Hiya MH,
You ask me, “Is it [being 11 year old articles about the USA in the Australian corporate press] somehow on topic?”
Well I certainly think so, quite obviously and unarguably, given that your topic is “And Did They Listen?”, unless you were referring to listening ONLY to Billy or, with the word “They”, only to a certain sector of society. Is that waht you meant?
Since the topic is “And Did They Listen?”, as opposed to “And Are They Listening?”, or, “And Will They Listen?”, I wanted – in keeping with what Billy told us about your evil country being the cause of so many historic, current and future evil on this murdered planet that rest of us are forced to try share with such homicidal/suicidal neighbours – to simply try to provide evidence that there ARE people listening to the confronting ideas voiced by our living Prophet, even if they may not have read his (Deutsch, verdammt noch mal!) words, or the pale reflections of a tiny bit of them in translations.
Under those circumstances, I can hardly think of an example of any material MORE “on topic”, but please do correct me if I’ve misunderstood what you’re trying to achieve here on this thread.
Thanks again for the bully pulpit.
BTW, you might not have been listening when I asked you this last week:
“NOTE to MODERATOR: (snip) I especially appreciate the “Silent Revolution of Truth” (terrific translation!) and the DVDs of the 15th, 16th and 17th Annual International UFO Congress, where Wendelle Stevens talks about Billy watching the pope being killed and Billy’s son shows us things like the coin Billy melted with his mind and miraculous examples of his sharpshooting. Great stuff! Are these DVDs still for sale? ARE THESE DVD’S STILL FOR SALE?”(snip)
Cheers!
Hi D,
My question wasn’t directed at you but rather at another poster.
Yes, all those DVDs are available here:
http://www.theyfly.com/newproducts/newproducts.html
http://www.scubbly.com/store/they+fly%21/
I finally got to see the new movie! As I expected it was awesome. I especially liked the one-on-one interview Michael did; it reminded me of a big-time news station interview, like Barbara Walters or something. I kept wondering why Michael’s background was ALL WHITE, while the interviewer’s background looked like an ordinary studio or sound stage. Michael, did you record this separately? Either way it made Michael look super holy, like he was in heaven. And no I don’t believe in heaven (for big-wig).
But I have to say my favorite part was the picture of Billy feeding the cute little squirrel out of his hind. That, MH, made my day!
Thanks!!!
Did they listen? Are they listening?
Once I asked you Michael, how many people in the world are involved in learning the Meier material, and you said a few thousand. And since the material has been disseminated since the 70’s, that is indicative that very few people are listening every year.
How can this be changed for the better?
From my perspective, the knowledge and correct usage of the correct advanced Astrology, is one of the ways that people can understand Creation and the Creational Laws, the Spiritual Laws, that they should live by, and then they can start listening to Billy and the Ps.
In today’s world you have four forms of Astrology that are incorrect – Tropical, Sidereal, Vedic, and Chinese – and they are incorrect in different ways, even though they all do have some truth within them.
Through many years of research, and 34 years of practice as a professional, I have developed the correct form of Astrology. Unfortunately, I have not put it down in a book yet, hopefully in the very near future, I will. Until then, I am opened to discussing the great science of the Stars, and working within it, with anyone who is interested. But you must realize, a good understanding of it would take many years of investigation and study.
Below are a few references to Astrology in the Meier material, which proves that the Ps consider it a great science, and necessary information for the correct life.
“There are virtually never any incompatible couples due to the use of advanced astrology and other social sciences.
Thus there are virtually never any divorces on Erra and furthermore, all childrens’ well-being is guaranteed.”
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Erra
And from An Introduction To The Spirit Teaching:
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/An_Introduction_To_The_Spirit_Teaching
By Arahat Athersata:
English German
1. The terrestrial human race is entering and witnessing a phase of very powerful cosmic change. It is a new era, a new age (the Age of Aquarius), which continually and distinctly becomes clearer to the eyes of observant, consciously more advanced human beings.
1. Das irdische Menschengeschlecht ist in ein Stadium einer Zeugenschaft eines gewaltigen kosmischen Umbruches getreten; in ein neues Zeitalter, das sich vor den sehenden Augen denkender Menschen immer klarer und deutlicher abzeichnet.
2. While most of mankind here on Earth lies in a deep abyss of ignorance and of consciousness’ enslavement, it has become an urgent necessity, through thorough investigations, to find the causes of mankind’s decline, and to demonstrate this to human beings in a correct, clear, and revealing message and lesson.
2. Nichtsdestoweniger aber liegt das Gros dieser Menschheit im Abgrund der Unwissenheit und Bewusstseinversklavung, so es notwendig geworden ist, den Ursachen ihres Abstieges auf den Grund zu gehen und ihr dies in einer Botschaft darzutun.
3. Simultaneously, it necessitates showing new ways, which would guide mankind toward a future of conscious comprehension and harmony.
3. Gleichbedingt ist es aber auch erforderlich, neue Wege zu weisen, die in eine geistverstehende und bewusstsein- sowie geistharmonierende Zukunft führen.
4. It is now time, therefore, for the Earthling to open his eyes and ears and detach his enslaved thoughts from false teachings, to free himself from traditional falsehoods and all evil, and to finally comprehend everything according to the truth.”
4. Der Erdenmensch öffne daher seine Augen und Ohren, er reisse seine versklavten Gedanken von allen Irrlehren, Unwahrheiten und von allen Übel; er öffne seine Bewusstseinsinne zur Erkennung der Wahrheit.
And:
“33. In less than twenty Earth years, the time will come for you, when you will write a great work of the truth, that will be transmitted to you from a very, very high spirit form.
33. In weniger als zwanzig Erdenjahren wird die Zeit für dich kommen, da du ein grosses Werk der Wahrheit schreiben wirst, das dir von einer sehr, sehr, hohen Geistform übermittelt wird.
34. It will reach to you from the same level from which Jmmanuel, the carpenter’s son, who you wrongly name Jesus Christ, also received his knowledge.
34. Es wird aus derselben Ebene zu dir gelangen, aus der auch Jmmanuel, der Zimmermannssohn, den ihr fälschlicherweise Jesus Christus nennt, sein Wissen erhalten hat.
35. It will be an important work of the new time, a work of truth, of knowledge, of clarification, of wisdom and love, a work of the Aquarian Age.
35. Es wird ein wichtiges Werk der Neuzeit sein, ein Werk der Wahrheit, des Wissens, der Aufklärung, der Weisheit und Liebe, ein Werk der Wassermannzeit.”
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Asket%27s_Explanations_-_Part_1
And:
“164.Further necessary knowledge regards a cosmic change, of which I have already spoken once.
165.It treats of the “Age of Aquarius”, also called the “Golden Age”.
166.in this respect I must first explain the religious interpretations concerning this epoch are wrong.
167.A certain irresponsible fanaticism treats this as the religiously proclaimed “final days”.
168.By no means is this new age a final time, because in truth it brings real life.
169.This epoch enables everything to develop to highest potential, including spirit, according to providence.
170.But it will take many centuries after entering that period to reach such advanced levels.
171.At first, as usual, the irreligious scientists will profit from the new advances while the common people will be restrained by their religions.
172.Caused by the change of epoch, religious people will fall into fanatical religious delusion.
173.Especially the 184 years of the time of change, religious beliefs of all sorts will shoot up like mushrooms and bring many humans under their control.
174.Murder, suicide, and exploitation of all kind, as well as religious slavery to false beliefs will be the daily lot, by which the whole world will be shaken.
175.False prophets will offer salvation publicly in a fanatic search for victims and new followers. (7.
176.This is the initial phase of the “Golden Age”, the transition phase of 184 years.
177.The culmination of this period will come in 2028 (our years).
178.The revolutionary force of this new epoch has begun in 1844, and since then the extensive alterations on Earth rush irresistably forward.
179.The New Age already demands its tribute, religious delusion, rapidly developing sciences, rampant crime, and wars of extirpation, characteristics of this time which can not be ignored.
180.The first half of the transition period lasted 92 years, until 1936, while the Earth felt the last of the “Age of Pisces” (as it was called).
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181.Since that time, rapidly evolving events, discoveries, inventions, etc., were characteristic as for no other time.
182.This whole sun-system with all its innumerable creatures is under the control of the new age.
183.Each and everything is influenced by it, because this is a cosmic law.
184.It is to this law, to which are subject all movements of planets and all forms of life in the Universe, that the earth proceeds in the run of cosmic events since 1844, which according to evolution replaces all hitherto existing regulations not of the Creational character.
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186.The origin of this epochal change is in the radiation effect of the huge central sun around which your system circles once in 25,860 years and passes through 12 epochs within the meaning of your astrologer’s Zodiacs.
187.The Earth has already touched the outer borders of the “Golden Radiation” of the central sun, which are of the strongest and most revolutionary radiation.
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189.But also much mischief is connected with this, quite especially in respect to religions and the use of new discoveries and achievements.
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202.The way-showers of these changes are in cosmic destiny and appear under the Creation laws.
203.The way-preparers for these revolutions (affecting humans) are also human beings who, as prophets and teachers, announce the truths of knowledge and spiritual wisdom.
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205.These way-preparers will be considered revolutionaries, heretics, and exiles, for they will announce the truths for all to see.
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212.These revelations are of much interest, and also of great importance to humans and you should spread the word by all means. This is our desire.”
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_009
And:
Semjase: Semjase:
“249. This is the prophesied anti-time or the time of the Antichrist, which is falsely laid out in the Christian Bible, in which the Earth human being will free himself from the religious delusion and turn back to the truth.
249. Es ist dies die prophezeite und in der christlichen Bibel falsch ausgelegte Antizeit oder Antichristzeit, in der der Erdenmensch sich vom religiösen Wahn befreien und sich wieder der Wahrheit zuwenden wird.
250. This time is connected to the cosmic Age of Aquarius, and the anti-time has already begun with the passage of the first half into the second half of the transitional period, namely exactly at 1120 hours GMT on the 3rd of February, 1937.
250. Diese Zeit hängt zusammen mit dem kosmischen Zeitalter des Wassermannes, und die Antizeit hat bereits begonnen mit dem Übertritt der ersten Hälfte in die zweite Hälfte der Übergangszeit, nämlich genau um 11.20 Uhr MEZ am 3. Februar 1937.
Billy: Billy:
That would be, therefore, the time of catastrophic confusions, of the churches’ and other religions’ mass murders, and of the political and religious wars, of the degeneration of human beings and otherwise all evils of the last centuries, and the coming time of catastrophes, etc., which were prophesied by the old prophets and also by Jmmanuel?
Das wären also die katastrophalen Wirrnisse, Massenmorde der Kirchen und sonstigen Religionen und politischen und religiösen Kriege, die Ausartungen der Menschen und sonst alles Übel der letzten Jahrhunderte und der kommenden Zeit, die durch die alten Propheten und auch durch Jmmanuel prophezeiten Katastrophen usw.?
Semjase: Semjase:
251. Sure, it’s just that they still haven’t found their completion because the most severe events are yet to come, and to be sure, sectarian murders and mass suicides as well as religious, murderous riots, neo-Nazi terror, and other terror through right-wing and left-wing radical elements and groups.
251. Sicher, nur dass sie ihre Vollendung noch nicht gefunden haben, denn schwerste Geschehen stehen erst noch bevor, und zwar sowohl sektiererische Morde und Massenselbstmorde wie auch religiöse mörderische Ausschreitungen, neonazistischer und sonstiger Terror durch rechts- und linksradikale Elemente und Gruppierungen.
252. But in the future, natural disasters will also take the upper hand in a degenerate form, and indeed, not in the least by the fault of Earth humanity.
252. Jedoch werden künftig auch Naturkatastrophen in ausartender Form überhandnehmen, und zwar nicht zuletzt durch die eigene Schuld der Erdenmenschheit.
253. Revolutions and wars will also take the upper hand in menacing measures.
253. Auch Revolutionen und Kriege werden in bedrohlichen Massen überhandnehmen.”
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_039
Referring to The Age of Aquarius is referring to Astrology, to the Astrology of Creation.
It was pointed out to me that this Q & A (question to and answer by Meier) on the FIGU forum was applicable to ALL of us:
I have a 6 year old daughter and she noticed that everywhere we go there is a cross. On buildings and clothing, etc…so she asked me what it means, and I told her the truth about who Jmmanuel was, and she was very interested to know more. Then I thought about her talking about it in her school. My question is, should we tell children the truth at an early age or should we wait a few years to explain to them that it is not the popular knowledge just yet? Thank you.
Marcela
They must be told/taught the truth from an early age on, but of course in a way that is adjusted to their understanding. This can be assured by just answering their questions, and nothing more. Let them ponder
the answers. It‚s up to them (their thinking) to follow a thought and ask further questions.
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I think it’s a good reminder that we ALL are students, as well as teachers, and that we’ll make our points with each other best if we present them in ways that we think are “adjusted to their understanding”…rather than attacks, etc.
I say this because for the most part the people commenting on the various topics here are basically all students of the same material and teaching. All of us vary in our understanding of it, in part and in whole, and none of us are so advanced that we can take a condescending or superior position with each other.
I agree with you Michael. But if someone does take a “condescending or superior position” with someone, what do you suggest should be done about that? I have my opinion, but this is your blog, so, what is your decision?
Thank you.
To me the goal of instruction should be to penetrate the understanding of the person one is trying to instruct. Not to show them that you’re smarter than they are, nor deride them for their perceived lack of knowledge or understanding. I think a good teacher accomplishes that while still leaving the responsibility for learning up to the student. Ultimately this is what we should do even with those who are opponents. However, I know all too well how irresistible it can be to go at it with the more thick headed deniers and skeptics.
At the same time though, if we make claims pertaining to the material, our understanding, our own abilities, accomplishments, expertise, etc., and we’re challenged on them, I think we should similarly “instruct” in a non-defensive way by presenting that which we feel substantiates our position, etc.
Should further questions arise, or should we be corrected, etc., we should accept that as contributing to our own education. We’re all in this together and hopefully wanting to contribute to each other as best we can.
Understood and agreed upon. But let me add one comment, people should phrase their questions in a respectful and learning attitude. If they put forth a negative, antagonistic, and disrespectful attitude, then they might bring upon themselves a correction in a manner that isn’t too pleasing. Especially in my case, I will not tolerate ridicule or unwarranted doubt and skepticism. My intent is to always have peaceful intelligent discussions with people who have open minds and are willing to learn.
Thank you.
Certainly and we all nonetheless have the responsibility to offer substantiation, evidence, explanations, etc., for any claims we may make. We have to remember that we also don’t expect, or want, people to believe things, take them on faith, etc., even when expressed by people with whom we share this common interest. So, since the Meier material at once speaks about the validity of astrology from the Plejaren perspective, while stating that terrestrial astrology for the most part isn’t accurate, you have the opportunity to present your experience, knowledge, examples of accuracy, etc., for what you refer to as correct astrology.
In light of this discussion regarding instructive/constructive vs destructive criticism; an excerpt from CC 221 comes to mind:
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_221
“The practicing of criticism, i.e. the criticizing of the Earth people against their neighbors, corresponds to a very bad habit, which is founded in the desire to be better and the desire to know better than one’s neighbors. The criticizers are, thus, of the false belief that they are better or could be somewhat better or would know better, etc. than those whom they criticize. Thus, no so-called “healthy assessment” is practiced, which exists in the so-called “art of assessment,” through which a neutral assessment of a person or thing takes place; rather, a criticism occurs, which truly consists of pointing out alleged or genuine errors in a derogatory manner, in order affect one’s neighbors with it psychologically or in any way. This is also true for the so-called professional critics, who have the audacity to criticize people and their labors and works, etc. as well as things and stuff of any kind in their wrong and megalomaniacal conceit and think that they would understand something of the matter concerned. Critique or criticism truly exhibits in no way the form of an assessment or art of assessment and doesn’t rest in an examination and in an insight but rather is grounded in a chronic, habitual, derogatory laceration and abasement of that which is criticized. This, however, has nothing to do with the assertion and misrepresentation of the earthly philosophers that it would concern an assessment, an examination, and an insight, as well as an evaluation. These values do not find their authorization in critique or criticism but solely in the neutral art of assessment and in the neutral assessment evaluation. But critique or criticism doesn’t know these values because solely a judgment follows from it, through which a person claims to classify something as given or not given, as good or bad, as negative or positive, or as genuine or false and, accordingly, to make a decision autocratically. At the same time, an assessment is completely omitted because neither the negatives nor the positives are effectively seen in their true form. In contrast to this are the assessment and evaluation, through which not only the negatives but also the positives become seen, recognized, assessed, and evaluated. Through this, someone or someone’s action, labor, work, thing, or matter, etc. doesn’t just simply become criticized and, thus, torn up into the air, so that the whole thing truly only corresponds to a lousy, biased, hateful, autocratic, and arrogant intolerance. This also refers to the opinion and life attitude as well as to the world view of the people and also how they dress, what hobbies and pleasures, etc. they have, and what kinds of lifestyles they maintain, because all these things, which are really of the purest private nature, are also complained of by the trouble-making critics and are mercilessly and self-righteously torn apart in a yelping manner because they regard themselves as better and more clever than they concede this to their neighbors – even though they themselves are usually bean straw dumb and stupid and have a crude attitude toward life and toward their fellow human beings.
With the Earth people, unfortunately, is it usually the case that they let criticism prevail rather than reason. It should rightly be so, that the opinion of a person is accepted and respected because he can always correct it himself if it should be wrong and he becomes aware of this fact. However, critics don’t note this freedom of human beings but rather force them into a pattern that is foreign to them through their criticism.”
I’ll just take the opportunity here to state that I’ve seen and heard Billy express himself in a variety of ways , and volumes, hence my reference to “nuances” earlier. As we can see from the recent comments, including various references to, and quotes of, Meier’s material, one can always find something to quote in support of their position. However, I think that the above quote contains and reflects what I was referring to in my own way as a good approach, i.e. what Billy calls “healthy assessment” and the “art of assessment”.
Again, I think we should avoid using Meier’s teaching as a cudgel and, rather than “berating” and/or beating our fellows over the head with it – falsely, perhaps subconsciously thinking that we indeed are Billy himself and in possession of such wisdom that we can and should be heavy handed with our fellows in this common study – let’s master the art of assessment AND the ability to communicate effectively with each other, healthy criticism included. For those who may be unclear on that, communicating effectively isn’t synonymous with weak-willed, spineless, namby-pamby, diplomacy.
Yes, I do have that opportunity, and thank you, but as I have mentioned, Astrology IS A VERY COMPLICATED SCIENTIFIC knowledge that would take years to understand. And if I were to attempt to explain even a small part of it correctly on this blog, it would take pages of detailed scientific nomenclature, that I’m sure those without the necessary pre-requisite knowledge would not understand. For example, how many people understand the Precession of the Equinoxes, an astronomical fact, that determines the changes of the Astrological Ages?
So, my best suggestion, when it comes to Astrology, or understanding anything that I say concerning it, is that individuals do their own study of the subject first, before they venture into comments related to it. Other than that, I will do my best to explain Astrology, among other things, on this blog.
Thank you.
Perhaps you could begin to answer questions about it on the Battle of the Brains blog (I know, it;s just the name that popped into my mind at the time). If it develops into a conversation we could create a separate blog for the topic.
Yes, all of that sounds very good.
Ok Tony, what is the correct number to pi?
Thanks for joining us Michael. Much appreciated.
I have a question for you based on the undeniable fact that some folks are very obviously better at “listening” – or in this case, reading and comprehending – than others. As bearers of the immutable and enlivening fragment of Creation called spirit, we are all perfectly equal in that one most important respect, so we’re all deserving of reverence, but in all other ways – physically, mentally, morally, experientially, culturally, educationally, in character, in personality and so on and so forth – we can be even more different from each other than human beings would be if they came together here from different planets, which, in so far as our consciousness-evolution is concerned, is exactly what evidently happened for a significant minority of us primitive earthlings.
You write, “we’ll make our points with each other best if we present them in ways that we think are ‘adjusted to their understanding’”.
Of course. Everybody already knows that. I haven’t talked about magnetohydrodynamics to my physicist friends the same way I’ve talked about it to another good pal of mine who heroically struggles with serious cognitive deficits due to severe brain damage suffered shortly after birth.
And of course Billy and his predecessor prophets all teach us that we should eschew the company of certain individuals regardless of the reason(s) that they may have gotten the way they are. If only I could!
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TJ7:9 – “You shall not give sacred things to the dogs, nor throw your pearls before the swine, lest they trample them with their feet and turn on you and tear you apart.”
And: TJ24:10-14 “And don’t let anyone call you teacher until you follow the laws of Creation yourselves, because those who allow themselves to be called master and teacher but do not possess the wisdom of knowledge will be denounced as liars. For those who unjustly exalt themselves will be abased, and those who unjustly abase themselves will be disdained. Let those who are great in consciousness consider themselves great, and those who are small in consciousness consider themselves small and those who are in between in consciousness consider themselves in between. It is unwise and foolish for people to let others consider them greater or smaller than they really are.”
So here’s my question for you please, Michael:
Since, in any large group of the most varied Earth humanoids with the most varied abilities (and inclinations) for understanding (such as here on your ever- increasingly popular English-language blog comments area), how is it possible to adequately convey, to “the best and brightest” among us – being the only true positive change-agents on our threatened planet – the most important “meat” of the 95% of the untranslated German Meier material (which is almost invariably also the most offensive/provocative stuff for “the worst and dimmest” among us) and still be able to adequately “adjust to the understanding” of everyone here?
This is by FAR my biggest problem and I simply cannot see a solution. Perhaps you can help with one which doesn’t thwart the truth for those who come here looking for it. I’d be very grateful.
And, in the same vein, how can the elemental power of truth be adequately released (as is everyone’s creational duty) regarding the blatantly demonstrated untrue assertions, repeatedly made by a contributor, regarding facts about the Meier material and other facts, when that individual elects not to directly respond, but simply increases those same mendacious distortions, while claiming to have a comprehensive understanding of the material to which that person has no access?
It’s even impossibler when we try to follow Billy’s admonishments to strictly avoid all pity and diplomacy in favour of the harsh and abrasive truth – particularly for that overwhelming majority here as yet unaware of those many stern admonitions within the untranslated material.
As you know, Billy teaches, “The truth is powerless against stupidity.”
Thanks for your scarce and valuable time. Sorry about the length. Thanks also for telling me that your new video, “And Did They Listen?” is now flying around the planet headed towards me! I can hardly wait!
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Cheers!
Question 1: The way it appears to me, the best way to convey, teach something in this realm is, as Meier says, by example. Of course if one is being an example of the that which they want to teach, then there should be no agony. Rather than have an intention, or an investment in succeeding in teaching someone something, why not maintain the neutrality that also allows others to do with your example what they they will? If one quotes something from the teaching then a discussion of that quote and its applicability, rather than being perceived as using it as any kind of a cudgel, would be invited.
Question 2: I think that direct, specific, pertinent questions to those whose contributions you don’t agree with, find to be false, mendacious, etc., would be one way to invite clarification, explanation, retraction, correction. In the same manner the contributor can provide the aforementioned. If they don’t, can’t or won’t, then that is out in the open. Since self-honesty is also one of the core principles, it isn’t productive to in any way play gotcha or try to shame the person with whom one disagrees. After all, there is always the possibility that the judgments we draw could be not wholly accurate, even false, and thereby not in harmony with the teaching either.
If one finds, assumes, judges that they themselves are the sole exclusive bearer, of the truth and how it should be applied then that itself seems to be antithetical to the teaching. Of course one can or could be the bearer of truth but then, if any of the aforementioned suggestions don’t work, seem fitting or appropriate, they have to decide if they will continue to participate and if so how, without compromising their own principles, integrity, etc.
So the possibility exists that an over reaction, frustration, etc., arises in us, which indicates something wrong with our own approach, whether the person we’re in disagreement is right or wrong in their contribution. That old saying about “your opponent is never wrong” may apply. There’s being right and there’s being effective. Of course being both would be nice.
Thank you, Michael Nice work. Much appreciated.
It still doesn’t answer my question, though.
So when you write, “best way to convey, teach something in this realm is, as Meier says, by example.” I’m assuming you obviously mean that we should exemplify the teachings here by strictly avoiding any diplomacy and similar ingratiating tones, never display a jot of humility or pity, always try to deliver the truth harshly, and always punish in front of the whole group any offences again the group? http://www.figu.org/ch/book/export/html/868
Every time I get even close to those noble truths on a public Meier-related non-German-reading forum, my contributions (even my contributions which consist solely of corrective Meier translations) are identified as unloving and not harmonious with the unknowing majority, are soon silently censored and I eventually am made aware that I’m most unwelcome by the same non-German-reading people who would show “Eddy” (of “the greasy dog c–ts” and “the stupid little idiots” remarks, etc.) the door a lot sooner than me if, incognito, HE ever experimented with surfacing on one of these English-only-folks forums and tried to walk the walk a little instead of just talk the talk a lot.
But, hey, “giving up must absolutely not be considered”, right?
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You know how much I appreciate the bandwidth here, my old friend, and I can always upload to the cloud again if you want, and just post the URL. And if you start to feel that I’m more of a liability to Billy’s mission than an asset, that’s cool. I couldn’t help but notice that, as soon as a source of new (English-language) info from Billy surfaces in public, it quickly attracts so many enthusiastic questions and (overt and covert) opposition that the venue eventualy capsizes. A year or so ago you’d get single-figure comment numbers on your blog here, if any at all, and it looks like you might break the ton today! As I’ve told you privately, I’m prepared to bite the bullet and take responsibility for my own Meier-in-English blog if you’d rather, where I’d moderate with an iron fist. The traditional English-only Meier forums always remind me of that terrific remark made by Basil Fawlty,”This would be a nice hotel if it weren’t for all the bloody GUESTS!”
Keep up the good work, as ever!
Cheers!
I think that it isn’t always necessary to tear down the building in order to put in a window. The greater majority of the material that we English readers have read from Meier is plain speaking and only resorts to harshness when it’s a necessity. And, let’s please remember, he’s doing so not in any kind of ongoing dialogue with the (kinds of) people he’s addressing, wherein the process of reasoning is underway, but rather in the form of a teaching. Billy of all people is quite capable of discussion without berating people.
Speak little and write much, as you say. But when it’s time for speaking/dialogue we can practice our skills, by which I don’t mean diplomacy. It sometimes does take understanding someone so that our thoughts and points of view can indeed penetrate their consciousness without coercion and without the assumption that if this exchange takes place it will always be they who change their position, etc.
Identify that which you disagree with and see if you can engage the author(s) in a dialogue. Again, if someone chooses to not respond, that’s one thing. If their response isn’t the one you desire or expect, it doesn’t necessarily mean that it’s incorrect, mendacious, etc., nor does it mean that you have to continue it.
And nor does it mean that you have to take your marbles and go home if you generate frustration inside of yourself, though of course you’re free to do so.
Congratulations, Michael, on achieving your first blog comment page ever with contributions running into three digits! You’d better quick write a new blog entry and put an end to this one before it swallows you! We might not be listening but we’re sure as hell writing.
No doubt, being “Wiser than the Wisest” – if anyone ever could, of all people in the universe who ever lived – Billy would be quite capable of having a discussion without berating people if he chose to. Anger’s not THAT hard to master! Of course some of today’s thin-skinned, effete softies Billy complains about live very sheltered lives and interpret any loving reproach or rebuke or even gentle constructive criticism – even a politely offered differing opinion, believe it or not – as “berating”, and simply cannot comprehend that a voice can be raised for emphasis while utterly devoid of anger. Yes, I’ve got a big leathery larynx from a lifetime of loud singing, and can create a frighteningly loud vocalistion at the drop of a hat. I inherited that from my mother’s side of the family. I’ve seen a person cry simply because I had to shout to be heard over the roar of an deafening engine.
A little excerpt from our Canadian co-workers’ translation of The Psyche (p. 178 “The Ten Recommendations – Additional Behaviour in Connection with the Three Golden Rules”) if I may:
1) It must be absolutely avoided to spend more time than necessary behind ‘four walls’. This means, that as much as possible, one must breathe fresh air and spend a lot of time outdoors. Long walks in the forest and fields are required and indispensable.
2) During the walks, one should often shout out loud. A name is best suited for this, which is shouted out with all the power of one’s voice, as if searching for someone in the vicinity. Many human beings use a name which has a
special significance for them, with good success. This shouting out tremendously loosens the suppressed feelings and trepidations in the inner nature, through which one begins to feel freer and more joyful.
3.) While taking a stroll one should sing as loudly as possible, in which case, happy and humorous songs are very valueful, so for example, ‘Where Mountains Rise .. .’, ‘Wandering is the Miller’s Joy .. .’, ‘Cheerful is the Gypsie’s Life .. .’, ‘Annemarie .. .’, ‘Durs Oberland uuf .. .’, and so on and so forth. This singing likewise loosens the suppressed feelings and the trepidations in the inner nature. However, one should pay attention that they are sung with a really loud, strong voice because only in this way is it rightly effective. Whether the human being is musical or not, in nowise, plays any role. The main thing is that they are sung as loudly as possible.”
http://www.theyfly.com/the_psyche.html
Works for me.
Erra must be a jolly planet. All that manual gardening and loud singing. All those wives. All those open “intimate friendships”.
I took this little digression in order to adhere to the theme of Michael’s thread, “Is Anyone Listening?”. This bellowing works nicely in remote mountainous Tasmania and Switzerland, but discretion is advised in built-up urban/suburban areas and in towns, particularly in densely populated places where there’s a lot of drug-related crime, and a wary and heavy-handed police presence and an enthusiastic psychiatric/pharmacology fraternity working closely with the legal fraternity and the thriving correctional facilities industry (all traditionally associated with strong secret-society membership). Billy also says that you’re also meant to be barefoot.
Anyway, I’ve been privileged over the years to have a fair few long private discussions, face to face and via long emails, with nice people who’ve lived and worked at or near the SSSC (one of whom stayed with us in New South Wales for ten days, having just come from living at the centre, tending the goats) and everybody has told me that Billy has an absolutely terrifyingly loud punitive bellow, which is regularly heard ringing through the hills in the area, his scalding remonstrations being forcefully directed at some (richly deserving) soul or another – with one person who shall remain nameless regularly copping a lot more than others. When we expressed surprise (this was years ago before we’d read all Billy’s books) our house guest replied that this individual had the sort of personality that simply required that sort of shouting from Billy from time to time. We rural types are often loud. I have no neighbours. I play the trombone. I enjoy myself.
I’m sorry I can’t find the quote within all the un-indexed texts – ctrl+F doesn’t work with hardcover books. (But I DID just now find the place where it states that Buddha* WAS a genuine, ET-fostered prophet!) But somewhere I recall reading Billy saying, (I’ll paraphrase and translate) “Anyone who thinks it is never necessary to raise one’s voice in reproach at the appropriate occasion simply does not understand human psychology.”
Really, people. Billy is not the pope. He’s not a humble little snivelling creep. He’s our own living and breathing, hellfire and brimstone, rattle your bones, Prophet, like the fearsome prophets of old. A heavy-duty, industrial strength man who (according to Quetzal) killed 70 murderers and serial killers in strict, last-minute self defence while acting in his police capacity as “The Phantom”. One steel, .44 calibre bullet right between the eyes and then, as quick as a flash, another one deep through the heart. He’s a man not to be trifled with, and not afraid of doing a bit of bellowing when all else fails.
The difference is, of course, that most negatively-degenerated and repressed overpopulated anxiety-raddled Earth humanoids only ever scream at the top of their lungs when they are enraged, and Billy’s quick to point out that it must never be done in degeneration, but must always be done in a spirit of logic, never anger.
More on anger and rage: http://au.figu.org/anger_rage.html
On little Eduard’s eighth birthday, Sfath instructed him to scream and bellow if the situation demanded it of him. Of course knowing when to be a shouter is the real challenge. Best not to just guess in case you get it wrong, and of course the shoutee needs to know when that time has come too. Tricky.
176. (Sfath) “Lass dich nie in Rage bringen, doch schreie und brülle, wenn es die Situation erfordert, doch verliere dabei niemals deine Kontrolle über dich und tue das in dieser Form so, dass keine negativen Gefühle dich beeinträchtigen.”
(Never let yourself be enraged, yet scream and bellow if the situation demands it, yet thereby never lose control of yourself and do it in such a way that no negative feelings adversely affect you.)
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/meier.v1p11-20.htm
Just to make it clear, if and WHEN I — — — USE TYPOGRAPHICAL EMPHASIS HERE, it’s not due to anger on my part, which Billy’s taught me to covert, through my daily 20 minutes of meditation, into useful positive energy instead of wasting it so self-destructively. And if I seem frustrated here sometimes (in the dictionary sense of aggravation, irritation, disturbance, annoyance, nuisance, disappointment, dissatisfaction, etc.) because I can’t achieve my “goal of instruction … to penetrate the understanding of the person one is trying to instruct”, and I can’t seem to articulate Billy’s precise thoughts into English, it’s not a “personal” sense of frustration. It’s a frustration (in the dictionary sense of prevention, hindrance, blocking, foiling, defeat, obstruction, etc.) of the urgently needed TRUTH, as communicated in German by Billy.
Cheers!
* should be here: https://theyflyblog.com/regarding-iigs-retraction-of-defamatory-claims-against-billy-meier/12/18/2013/comment-page-1#comment-18081
Dear Double D,
You proclaim, “And, in the same vein, how can the elemental power of truth be adequately released (as is everyone’s creational duty) regarding the blatantly demonstrated untrue assertions, repeatedly made by a contributor, regarding facts about the Meier material and other facts, when that individual elects not to directly respond,
but simply increases those same mendacious distortions, while claiming to have a comprehensive understanding of the material to which that person has no access?”
Please my dear fellow student, saying that 95% of the Meier works remain untranslated, does NOT mean that 95% of the Figu ideas, concepts, and information remains hidden. If all a student is equipped with are translations of the “Intro to the Spirit Teaching,” “The Goblet of Truth,” and “The TJ,” that is more than enough to keep them busy for a lifetime. In my opinion, Meier and the Ps have given
the earth people TOO MUCH! Part of the trick of finding the truth on your own is NOT to have to rely on Billy. Once a person takes off his/her ‘training wheels,’ by becoming proficient with the basics, then he/she can pedal along without help. The reason Meier has largely released umpteen books, booklets, portals, contacts, etc., is not because he has unfinished things that need to be revealed, but rather so that people can learn by repetition. Why do you ignore the highly repetitive nature of the Meier works, and then still pound the table that the MAJORITY remains hidden? My opinion is that you harp, and
harp, and harp that 95% of the material needs to be translated to ELEVATE your importance to the Mission, your greatness. 🙂
Cheers!
BTW — I’ve been wondering. Is your “95%” figure Plejaren Approved or are you pulling that figure out your bleep?
Well this is normal when dealing with this type of subject. For example, Augustine of Hippo probably wrote over a million words in a days where there was no easy way to go to the store to buy a pen and paper, no type writer, computer, or easier ways to writes things down than we have today. That’s a lot for what we consider to be ‘ancient’ history. And, he was just one guy that practiced Manichaeism, Neo-Platonism, then converted to Christianity. It may seem odd for folks today, but the few texts here and there is nothing compared to the VOLUMES of stuff some prolific writers were doing back in ye olden times without the aid or distraction of modern technology.
Anthony, is this also just you with more time on your hands “just getting off fcking with” me again/still to gratify your onanistic brand of self-humiliating “humor”?
If I’m to take you seriously THIS time, which is becoming increasingly difficult, let me just say that you couldn’t be more wrong if you tried.
But you’ll never know. Because if you don’t know what you’re missing, because you obviously can’t judge what you can’t read, then your belief that you CAN (shared by many German-illiterate “Meier fans”) is a obviously a delusion. And if you DO read all the books already translated for you, you’ll see it’s NOT repetitive.
The percentage figure is based on something Christian worked out in around 2006, being “24,000 pages” (which of course also included the decades long Spirit Lessons course), extrapolated since then with both Billy writing heaps more and heaps more now having been translated into English.
Salome.
Duck Dynasty,
The “bloody guests” are your fellow students! An iron fist? Why don’t you go pound salt in your bleep? Talk about an angry human being. Why is everyone who disagrees with your ‘greatness’ attacking you? Maybe, just maybe you need to look for your own faults, understanding and communicating with your fellow students, and try to correct yourself? But NO, you have this great big brain and all these bloody guests here are just a bunch of flies that you need to smack. As I said long before, you are the most negative person posting on this here blog.
Cheers! 🙂
Thank you, as ever, Anthony, for your valuable impetus.
Since you obviously don’t adequately read (you aren’t listening to) any of my responses to your jejune questions of me, I’ll use your latest sophistry to simply remind my siblings here, who know, and I’ll try to inform those like you who obviously don’t, that the expression, “iron fist” (“eiserner Faust”) isn’t mine, but of course, Billy’s. And he calls for just exactly that as the ONLY workable solution to the terminal mess human beings who are characterised by your bad attitude and behaviour have gotten us all into. That terminal mess is what Billy’s here to make us aware of, and also make us aware of how to extricate ourselves from it before it’s too late. And he says that, because of attitudes like yours, only moderating with an “iron fist” will work.
But no anger or negativity is ever involved.
Do you think that these (see below URL) demands are not characteristic of ruling “an iron fist”?
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/ET.to.USA.1979.htm
How about the “Seven Year Ban on All Human Procreation”, where anyone in the world who disobeys this strict law is severely punished? “Iron fist”? Hm?
Small excerpt from Guido Moosbrugger’s “And Yet They Fly” VERY pertinent to Michael’s important topic of this thread, being “And Did They Listen?”:
“We should thus bear in mind that truth might may [sic.] not be set forth with fine tongues and soft words. People who are far enough in their spiritual development to understand and grapple the hard language do not take account at Billy’s writing style. Naturally, the same fact can be depicted for the reader in various ways, made palatable so that his or her appetite is not spoiled. But Billy makes use of his hard style with full intent because most of our contemporaries are only roused to their own thoughts in this manner. According to the Pleiadians, it will not be easy to make this clear to the people of Earth in their present stage of development. They are already too softened and have strayed from the knowledge of truth to the point that they energetically resist everything that sounds like the hard truth. Hence, know thyself. He who bears the hard, undiplomatic language of truth and acknowledges its worth will find himself on the right path of veritable evolution. Otherwise, for the time being, this way will remain barred to him through hindrances that he must clear away.” p. 72
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/andyettheyfly.htm
http://www.theyfly.com/and_still_they_fly.html
HAD you read this book, Anthony, and/or my answers to your very useful (thanks) questions to me, you’d understand that I’m not angry at all. I’d hardly have the energy and forbearance to continually reply to your questions if I was. Here’s a little hint: folks here are probably ANGRY when they unilaterally refuse to engage and answer questions, or toss their curls in high dudgeon and stalk off in an indignant, self-righteous huff, or, with thinly veiled threats, state outright, “..people should phrase their questions [to me] in a respectful and learning attitude. If they put forth a negative, antagonistic, and disrespectful attitude, then they might bring upon themselves a correction in a manner that isn’t too pleasing. Especially in my case, I WILL NOT TOLERATE RIDICULE or unwarranted doubt and skepticism.” (my caps)Or, in your case, to me, “How dare you..?” “How DARE you?” C’mon, brother. It’s 2014. And YOU accuse ME of being motivated by anger?
“I don’t believe I’ve ever used the phrase, ‘How dare you’, in conversation. The only meaning I’ve ever given it would be someone’s extreme offense taken at something someone did that was so outrageous as to be unthinkable. How dare you = In what way could that ever be appropriate/justified.” … “maybe because they are angry or pissed off”
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081128072442AAhgL6j
I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone say “HOW DARE YOU?” who wasn’t pretty pissed off by the person they were addressing with it, or, if they said it with a smile in the context of friendly banter, it might be a self-deprecating send-up of a pompous ass.
But, you’d only be JOKING (“getting off fcking with” me), right, Anthony?
Now I have a question for you, please, Anthony, since you keep demanding all these many many answers from me, and it’s a serious one addressed to a fellow “sincere and hardworking student”, as you describe yourself, and it’s asked SOLELY in the spirit, described here by our friend Michael, of adjusting our discussion to the level of the participant addressed. It also brings to bear one of the most important components constituting an individual’s ability to understand, being “experiential insight”. How old are you?
Thanks, bro. Keep ’em coming!
🙂
Cheers!
P.S. As is the case with Tony and me, Anthony and I are NOT one person (me) secretly pretending to work together as two individuals, even though I admit that it looks that way.
Hey DD,
The truth is I’m getting bored fking with you. I have said my peace and now I leave you to hang yourself with all the rope I’ve given you. How old am I? How old do you think I am? 12, 13, perhaps 18? The problem with you is that you never laugh, I would bet. You probably never saw a Mike Myers movie, or an Eddie Murphy stand up. And despite trying to be Shakespeare’s mini-me, you are so dense that you think that the questions I post to you are because I want an answer from you, your greatness; instead I’m being rhetorical. Now go take your iron fist and use it on a Christian, or a Wall Street Banker or a mainstream scientist. But don’t use your iron fist on all the sincere Meier students here trying to crawl. And that would include yourself, firefly. The iron fist should be reserved for those who are way off base. Good luck with your mission, great-all-powerful Double D. And may Creation be with you.
Cheers, mate!
PS- I would be ashamed with myself if people called me great-all-powerful. Yet you don’t respond to that title. Instead, it seems this is what YOU get off on. 🙂
I think today I stepped just a little bit closer the becoming one the creation. A lot of good contributions.
Hello Dyson.
Do you have a contact email that I could reach you.
Thanks
Hi doirecity.
I simply lack the resources (these damn short 24 hour days you have here!) to try to conduct much more that I already do in the way of private Meier tutorials, but if you’ve got a question or comment for me in particular that you can disguise sufficiently to pass the moderator (did I just write that out loud?!) then bung it up here and I’ll give it my best shot. That way the knowledge from Billy I might be able to pass on won’t go to the grave with you alone. If it’s a private matter for me, sometimes Michael forwards them onto me and I can have a look. One person here got my private email address and subsequently decided to post my personal email to him here and he almost got me in BIG trouble before Michael deleted everything, since I can say some things in private that are illegal, for me in particular, to publish. No offence. Nothing personal. But I’ve made a LOT of powerful occultist enemies. And I’m sick of all the death threats, arson, burglaries, etc. An dtuigeann tú?
Sorry I can’t be more generous, but I can quickly get swamped with hundreds of individuals. I used to spend 8 hrs a day answering hundreds of emails, literally, before my day’s work even started.
Now I translate books instead. It’s much more efficient.
Best.
Hi Michael,
You said, “Billy of all people is quite capable of discussion without berating people.” I’m sure you are correct about that.
I know you have spent some time with Billy in person, you have told me that you have. If you would like to, please tell us what kind of man Billy is. What’s his personality like? How does he treat you in person?
Thank you.
While I’ve visited with Billy many, many times, I won’t presume to know him in great detail. I can only say from my own experience that he seems to treat everyone with a certain sameness, i.e. an open warmth without showing partiality towards anyone.
Of course Billy’s just a human being with all of the nuances in expression, etc., that anyone may have. It could again be said that he speaks little and writes much, which is kind of a developing theme here.