The new film on the Billy Meier case And Did They Listen? has just been released.
It’s a very different approach than any of my previous films. It’s a look back at the present time on Earth – from the future – when we had access to all of the authenticated evidence of Meier’s 70+ years of contacts with the Plejaren.
What we do with this information now will largely determine what’s to come. With humanity offered a chance to rewrite our future history, the only question is…
And Did They Listen?
I will definitely buy this after work today. MH, do you have recorded of prior purchases. I’m curious because I bought As the Time Fulfills but my girlfriend deleted the video. Do we have to repurchase the video or is there any other means?
Michael you laid out all of your cards on the table, it is up to us to play them, Let us hope we do not gamble our future. As a close folower and student of the “Billy Meier” material for many years,I was surprised to learn some new things and some old things in greater detail. Excellent documentary. The time has come that we will reap what we have sown, as advised we need to create our own living space one “Bio-tope” at a time.
Michael,
Just watched it. Congratulations on another job well done; newly inspired by you once again. You had mentioned before there would be two new films in 2014– when the second??? Excuse me, I haven’t learned patience yet. I want more 🙂
Thanks and regards.
Do people in the world listen to the Ps and Billy? I don’t think very many do. There is no evidence that they do listen and are changing the way they think, speak, and act. I wonder if they will ever listen to anyone until major catastrophes hit them extremely hard. Of course, then it will be too late for most of them.
Not only is deadly radiation coming to the US from Fukushima, but read what I posted below. The pollution worldwide is extremely dangerous in many ways and a major crime against Humanity. Those that pollute this great and very beautiful planet should be arrested, tried, and imprisoned.
I do not see a political, or religious, or scientific solution to the evils/problems of the world. I only see a spiritual solution. There must be significant spiritual progress within the majority of Humanity, or there is no hope for a good world. Only the spiritual teachings point out what is correct and incorrect human behavior.
“Billowing across the Pacific Ocean from China and landing on the western shore of the United States are significant quantities of toxic air pollutants, including sulfur dioxide, nitrogen oxides, carbon monoxide, and black carbon. Ironically, a great deal of that air pollution is caused by the production of goods inside China for export to the United States.
A paper that was published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences on Monday is the first time researchers quantified how much pollution was actually reaching the West Coast of the United States. Unfortunately, the disturbing findings indicate that although a decrease in U.S. manufacturing has improved air quality in eastern portions of the U.S., the West Coast has been harmed by China’s exported pollutants.
Los Angeles, which already suffers from copious amounts of air pollutants, endures at least one more day each year that exceeds federal ozone standards because of air toxins emitted by the Chinese industrial complex. Moreover, as much as a quarter of sulfate pollution on the West Coast can be linked to the manufacture of Chinese exports.
The Report demonstrates that U.S. demand for cheap imports such as cell phones, televisions, and appliances has backfired to some extent. “It’s sort of a boomerang effect,” explained system scientist at UC Irvine and co-author of the study. “We’ve outsourced our manufacturing and much of our pollution, but some of it is blowing back across the Pacific to haunt us.”
Not surprisingly, popular unrest has surfaced in China in response to the ever-increasing domestic air pollution and accompanying smog. “I did not even dare to cross the street,” said Zhang Xiaofeng, a 24-year old bulldozer driver who suffers from eye pain and chronic coughing because of the smog. “I waited and waited at the intersection and looked again and again, but I couldn’t see if any cars were coming. Even the traffic lights were invisible.”
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/01/21/China-Air-Pollution-Chokes-US-West-Coast-While-Making-Export-Goods
Tony, you write, “Do people in the world listen to the Ps and Billy? … THERE IS NO EVIDENCE that they do listen and are changing the way they think, speak, and act.” (My caps)
Happily, clear logical evidence does exist, for those with eyes to see, that important people are indeed listening and changing.
And the world is changed.
You write, “I do not see a political, or religious, or scientific solution to the evils/problems of the world. I only see a spiritual solution.”
Very negative of you.
Happily, a specific scientific solution to the immediate problems of ionising pollution does indeed exist, (but – naturally – it’s being suppressed by the suicidal Powers-That-Be).
Dangerous radioactive elements and isotopes can be transmuted (at the level of quarks in the nuclei) at a distance.
“(d) As a final example, eventually the progress of precursor engineering technology will enable technology that can process nuclear wastes and render them totally harmless. We envision total transmutation of these wastes to harmless ordinary elements and compounds. By comparison, the present recycling of plutonium from warheads into nuclear reactor fuel simply perpetuates the security and environmental problems of bomb grade elements. The far better way will be to completely transmute plutonium and other high level nuclear wastes into totally harmless materials, using precursor engineering specifically developed for that purpose.”
http://www.cheniere.org/articles/Solution%20to%20the%20World%20Energy%20Crisis%20-%20final%20draft%2041.doc
https://theyflyblog.com/abc-news-fukushima-the-biggest-ticking-time-bomb-in-human-history/11/20/2013/comment-page-1#comment-16160
Cheers!
Dyson,
– As usual, I disagree with you. I said, “most people”.
– I’m never negative. You simply do not understand what I said. I suggest that you read it again, and THINK about what I said, “There must be significant spiritual progress within the majority of Humanity, or there is no hope for a good world.” If you or anyone else disagrees with that statement, then you or anyone else is incorrect. Without the correct spiritual advancement, Humanity will use everything for profit, power, and to harm one another. That is my opinion. If you disagree, then we will have to just wait and see, won’t we.
Have a great day.
“I’m NEVER negative.”?
Ha ha! 🙂
Wouldn’t, “I’m always positive”, be a much LESS NEGATIVE way of stating that idea, Tony?
Not really. Both phrases convey the same meaning.
Hey D,
Instead of being a smart ass, why don’t you search for the correct things people say and offer encouragement? And show your intelligence by adding to the truth people say. Your whole ‘selfie’ game is a scam. Go translate something or offer ALL your English translations to the USA market, will you? I want to buy a Nutrition book? When can I buy this from the TheyFly store?
I don’t think it’s dawned on to folks the connection between our ancestor’s scrawling of things happening in the sky, living in half buried homes (much like the alleged Plejaran have suggested they live in a similar manner, ), erecting mainly large and solid pieces of megalithic structures, and some how think our earliest ancestor’s were completely crazy to invent the mythology we have today or that literally aliens built solid but primitive structures or the Illuminutty invented secretive symbols (people should take a closer look at their own history, not someone else’s silliness) that apparently have no real purpose to them. Had folks read the Meier material and paused for a moment upon what is discussed, most of our earliest history is explained in pretty easy to understand terms that shows that we live in an unstable solar system with some really beautiful and terrifying descriptions of just what it must have been like.
That being said, there is no telling how this “free energy” behaves if there is a say a chain reaction thereby causing untold catastrophe, as the Henock Prophecies references as “not seen since time immemorial” to paraphrase it. I will refrain from explaining only because it is explained in the Meier material already if people spent time thinking over what it means, not some secretive fantasy Illuminutty/Anunutty conspiracy that is holding anyone back with world saving technology. The alleged Plejarans never suggested such world saving things would occur as far as I’ve read what was available to the English translated audience. Why anyone thinks “free energy” is safe when folks have a hard time seeing the obvious I cannot explain. The writing is on the Prophecy Wall.
Any hoot, without further adieu some food for thought:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AUA7XS0TvA&list=PLwOAYhBuU3UfvhvcT1lZA6KbSdh0K2EpH&feature=c4-overview-vl
Fits nicely with Dyson’s reminder to all to figure out the type of environment we live in:
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/meier.elu.p169,192,280-282.htm
Lastly, the alleged Plejarans apparently are not kidding when they said they’re not coming back for centuries after Billy’s passing. Some more food for thought why that would be the case. Why are UFOs (as they are popularly called) missing from the Henock Prophecies? What’s the Meier material suggesting going to happen in the future?
As I understand it, one other ET group was dissuaded, by the Plejaren, from making open contact around the turn of the millennium, since the Plejaren Federation, already hard at work with THEIR gentle, ongoing, ET-enlightenment mission, is obliged by their own laws to depart Earth immediately if another ET race lands publicly.
That would suggest that this other ET group might “go back to plan A” as soon as Billy leaves us. It also sheds light on the Plejaren “ropes and boards” joke.
And “free energy” is already all around us. (hydroelectricity, solar energy, wind energy, geothermal energy, etc.) The Plejaren don’t run their beamships on high-octane gasoline. Creation is generous.
You write, “there is no telling how this ‘free energy’ behaves if there is a say a chain reaction thereby causing untold catastrophe”. An “untold catastrophe” is exactly what we’ve ALREADY obviously GOT with the fossil fuel / Big Nuke / food-burning status quo, wouldn’t you say? And I imagine Asket and her folks will probably continue to scotch our mad scientists’ deliberate doomsday machines which run the risk of ruining the (cosmic) neighbourhood.
Besides, these reverse-engineered ET technologies have ALREADY been weaponised and field-tested (think “9/11”) so isn’t it high time we civilians, who paid for them with our taxes, have them to drive our saucers and boil our tea kettles?
Here’s what just now dropped into my IN box:
http://energyfromthevacuum.com/Disc35Daniel/Disc35Daniel.html
Informing yourself will reduce your unwarranted fears.
Cheers!
Dyson,
How about laying it on the line, right here right now, with your never ending conspiracy theories about 9/11? Short and simple. Since you have full access to the Meier material and the rest of us don’t as you say.
I’m challenging you to prove your point once and for all. Can you do it? Or are you just going to provide a bunch of links which have nothing to do with what Billy Meier has already stated about 9/11?
You can’t prove what does not exist in the Meier material. You have not read anything in the other 95% that says otherwise, have you?
You continually act like Billy is hiding the truth or speaking double talk, when he simply states his version of the events, which you just won’t accept. You’re also obsessed with trying to convince other people of your theories, along with your fellow conspiracy theorists.
Dyson,
You write, “And I imagine Asket and her folks will probably continue to scotch our mad scientists’ deliberate doomsday machines which run the risk of ruining the (cosmic) neighbourhood. ”
Sorry, but alleged ETs NEVER suggested they would involve themselves if Earth Humanity shoots ONLY its own foot off or due to natural cosmic phenomenon unless it was literally world ending and we could not help ourselves. Why else would the alleged Extraterrestrials take the time to explain it as such when Contact Notes have a limited amount of space and time per session?
I don’t think the necessary link has been made with what ‘free energy’ actually as otherwise the realization would come about in that a fancy light show ‘weapon-ization’ sounds a lot like the heavenly bodies merely and seamlessly interacting in space and time with one another. This was the original point of astrology to predict such cosmic events as they have in the distant past caused much problems for early Earth Humanity, i.e. Bad Omen if you showed a Roman Kingdom era Auspix the Oslo Spiral without explaining it. Why else would ‘God’ destroy the mythological Tower of Babel? Why would the only tallest ancient structures be either a single piece of solid stone (obelisk) or a giant dirt mound we call a pyramid these days and yet the only man-made tower/mountain gets destroyed by the gods? Seems a lot of work for some apparent fact hitherto unknown to us on what our ancestors were trying to figure out naturally.
Also, if time was spent trying to figure out the perspective of the alleged Plejaran one would see their mission is indeed completed as everything is there to make a correction has been given and was stated as such. To believe otherwise is making them into something they never intended to come across as being. Why would they spend time to explain RELEG-EON? What was our first religion supposed to be prior to the arrival of alleged Extraterrestrials? Why is the Sky always the Father (being more active) and the Earth the Mother? Why is the two mating (in a non-physical literal sense) have to do with the Creation of the Universe? Why else would the alleged Plejaran refer to the Laws of ‘Creation’ and always say it was referenced as such since it was obviously our original ancestral understanding as such basic cause-and-effect relationship between what we see as sex and place the same cause-and-effect relationship to the cosmic marriage in the sky? What else could the Sumerian God Enki represent other than being the giver of the Law of Creation (cause-and-effect)?
I understand you will not get this type of questions because folks like Greer are locked on an OVERLY positive-positive approach that generally ignores Early Human History (equating our cave man understanding to his modern new civilization he seems fixated on championing), gets mythology wrong (only focuses on us ‘hurting Gaia’ when never discussing Gaia’s husband Uranus which would seem obvious with what he is discussing), and seems to syncretize New Age-ism holding hands happiness approach whereas the Meier material corrects folks truthfully and never strays from the fact they’re talking about things Earth Humanity has always discussed.
This begs the ultimate question, how much does Billy or the alleged Plejaran extraterrestrials know about the Earth Human experience and perspective?
“I do not see a political, or religious, or scientific solution to the evils/problems of the world. I only see a spiritual solution.”
Dyson says, “Very negative of you.”
Really? You are about the most negative person posting on this here blog. You correct people as if you come from some superior understanding or intelligence. I agree with Anthony that there is a “spiritual solution.” And that spiritual solution is for humanity to take responsibility for their ‘footprints’ and become modest consumers with ecological goals. We don’t need a bunch of irresponsible consumers running around polluting things and then having science fix it for them with technology. Don’t worry about the “Powers that Be” and start making changes for yourself.
Dear Anthony,
All the spiritual solutions in the world will not – in and of themselves – clean up the gawdawful mess currently being vomited out of Fukushima. It takes scientific solutions to do that – not just navel-gazing and good will – and very few people hold any hope for that because they are unaware (for some reason!) that such a remarkable scientific fix waits for them in the wings.
One of my obligations is to try to “correct people” about the Meier material due to my “superior understanding” of it because I can and do read it, and most folks here can only read the translations, at best.
If you don’t want me to be so negative, please try to be less negative yourself about my perceived negativity here when I try to correct people’s understandable misunderstandings of the 95% of the Meier material still off-limits to them.
You come across as permanently angry, did you know that?
Cheer up! 🙂
Dyson,
While the 95% may be off limits to most people, you don’t seem to have an understanding of the 5% that is available to most people.
I’d rather understand and correctly interpret a little bit of information, instead of being confused and really not knowing a whole lot about a lot of information.
I’ll take my ignorance over your self proclaimed knowledge any day.
Hoping I can sneak past Michael another “interblogificated disputational” comment.
I would love to see the attacks on Dyson cease. Schantz, Tony, and others, you must realize that–to my understanding–Dyson is responsible for making available a significant portion of the 5% of the Meier material in English we do have. A little more gratitude is probably in order. Moreover, with his keen insight (and by taking Meier at face value when he says “DON’T BELIEVE WHAT I SAY”) he exposed, among other things, the conspiracy within the Meier material itself that crop circles were not all made by “ropes and boards.” Again, he has likely earned some due respect.
The problem with Schantz’s attack on Dyson which says “I’d rather understand and correctly interpret a little bit of information, instead of being confused and really not knowing a whole lot about a lot of information” is that it is extremely difficult to “correctly interpret a little bit of information” when it is divorced from the much larger body of information from whence it came. Uniquely among us, Dyson is not in such a precarious position in regards to the material.
Thus, if you take offense to what he says, it is probably wise to ask him to flesh it out a little more, before you result to ad hominem attacks.
Schantz also challenges Dyson to “lay[] it on the line, right here right now, with your never ending conspiracy theories about 9/11?… Can you do it? Or are you just going to provide a bunch of links which have nothing to do with what Billy Meier has already stated about 9/11?”
You wish him to put the power-point presentations together himself? It’s already been done (see below).
The problem here again is that “to prove something” it is never sufficient to ask, as Schantz seems to want to do, “Well, what did Billy (or whoever) say on the matter?” The germane question rather is “what does knowledge and logic say on the matter?” Did you follow up on the links Dyson posted (on another blog entry) regarding 9/11 or did you just summarily dismiss them because they seemingly didn’t jive with what you thought Billy said on the issue?
This is all to say, why would you task Dyson with proving something by means of pointing to what Billy said on the issue, instead of having him prove something by pointing to the FACTS–which regarding 9/11, he did, when he pointed towards the presentations of Dr. Judy Wood.*
At any rate, as far as I can tell (and because Billy’s word seems to be the be all end all for you) Dyson’s comments/demeanor/approach rests safely within Billy’s mantra that one must THINK FOR ONESELF.
Michael–we got so wildly off topic again, sorry. Loved the movie! 😉
*Dr. Judy Woods’s presentations ON THE EVIDENCE regarding 9/11 well put to rest the conventional story of the events. Have you seen any of ’em???
Andy I agree that D deserves gratitude for translating some of the Meier stuff. So from the bottom of my heart, “thank you Dyson for your “MOT” translation and others.” (kiss kiss kiss)
What most people don’t understand is that there is enough English translations available for any serious student to find the truth and apply it. People don’t just learn from reading books. Books are only one piece. A diligent student will not only gather information from Billy’s books, but will also look for additional information that is parallel from any other sources. The diligent student will take what he/she has read in a book and then try to find examples in nature, their work environment, their home environment, etc. Learning is accomplished when the student takes knowledge and then applies it, through making mistakes and correcting them, and gathers a self created understanding.
The core of the spirit teaching is to to find the truth on your own. It is useless for human beings to just rely on the information that is read and expect to be enlightened. It is important to take any information that is read and to think about it, contemplate it, etc. It is laughable that D goes on and on about how smart he is just because he has read more of the Billy Meier info; that he has a better understanding of spirituality, environmental pollution, potential WW3, potential civil wars, 9/11 or anything else that is all over the alternative media. Even a big mouth, exaggerator like Alex Jones has a pretty good clue what is going on (on many of these topics aside from spirituality); and he does not READ BILLY MEIER or speak German as far as I know.
Hi again, Schantz!
You write, “While the 95% may be off limits to most people, you don’t seem to have an understanding of the 5% that is available to most people.”
Operative word: “seem”. If you read a lot more than the 5%, you wouldn’t still think that way, IMO.
You write, “I’d rather understand and correctly interpret a little bit of information, instead of being confused and really not knowing a whole lot about a lot of information.”
Sure, but you’ve heard the expression, “a little knowledge is a dangerous thing”? You simply cannot adequately “understand and correctly interpret a little bit of information” which is removed from the context of the other 95%. This is axiomatic. Imagine studying – say – medicine, and setting up practice after studying for 6 weeks. That’s why Billy publishes in German (and stridently admonishes us to learn it) and why I spend so much of my time trying to translate it and get it out there for the people who don’t.
You write, “I’ll take my ignorance over your self proclaimed knowledge any day.”
It’s a deal! And I’ll take my knowledge over your self proclaimed ignorance any day! 🙂
Cheers!
Schantz was trying to be modest with his statement, “I’ll take my ignorance over your self proclaimed knowledge any day.” Schantz is trying to find the truth, he just does not think he knows it all.
Please D, at what point does the human being get Billy Meier? Is it when the human has read all contact notes, books, booklets, bulletin, special bulletin, spirit teachings, website, portals, postings, blog, entries, up-to-the-moment Figu publications as they are released?
The fact of the matter the masses don’t have to be Billy Meier librarians! If a human gives up religion, and tries to study the Meier material on a daily basis, and make the spirit teaching a goal in their life, they would be doing awesome compared to 99% of the human beings overpopulating earth with their religious, consuming, polluting, believing, etc., ways! This should be good enough for Billy Meier and the Ps! I want the basic ideas of the spirit teachings, and the Billy Meier history and that is all. I could care less if I read everything. I am swamped with several books, DVDs, websites, all in English to help me learn the truth. Please, mr D, stop making me learn like YOU! I want to read, watch, and study the material and DO MY OWN THING! Snazzy?
But, to your question, I can only explain that there is no possibility at all of eliminating ionising radiation. Therefore, we also know of no effective method in this regard. Only the half-life period can be taken into consideration, during which the radiation decreases by half.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AZdhAD-KrQ&feature=share
“I can only explain that there is no possibility at all of eliminating ionising radiation”
And man will never fly. 🙂
“Wright bros (flying machines)
After their Kitty Hawk success, The Wrights flew their machine in open fields next to a busy rail line in Dayton Ohio for almost an entire year. American authorities refused to come to the demos, and Scientific American Magazine published stories about “The Lying Brothers.” Even the local Dayton newspapers never sent a reporter (but they did complain about all the letters they were receiving from local “crazies” who reported the many flights.) Finally the Wrights packed up and moved to Europe, where they caused an overnight sensation and sold aircraft contracts to France, Germany, Britain, etc.”
http://www.theyalltoldthetruth.com/id74.htm
“When Henry Ford decided to produce his famous V-8 motor, he chose to build an engine with the entire eight cylinders cast in one block, and instructed his engineers to produce a design for the engine. The design was placed on paper, but the engineers agreed, to a man, that it was simply impossible to cast an eight-cylinder engine-block in one piece.
Ford replied,”Produce it anyway.”
― Henry Ford
Cheers!
Hi Dyson.
I certainly apreciate your hard work. Although reading your responses sometimes i think you could work a little on how you correct people. But hey, maybe im wrong. Your way of aproaching things just may well get them thinking a little more too.
Peace mo chara.
What part of the world are you from.
Beannachtaí, Doirecity!
Thanks for the kind words of appreciation, but, according to Billy, gratitude is misplaced. He prefers respect.
Here’s what Billy has to say about how to correct people, and I try to follow his leads when it’s reasonable to do so:
505. Ganz besonders beim Erdenmenschen herrscht die irrige und gefährliche Ansicht vor, dass ein guter Wahrheitskünder, ein guter Prediger oder ein guter Lehrer der Wahrheitslehre usw. und also auch ein guter Prophet voller demütiger Haltung sein müsse, nur liebe und feine, gewählte und diplomatische Worte sprechen und allzeit nur freundlich sein müsse.
505. With Earth humans, predominates quite especially, the erroneous and dangerous view that a good announcer of truth, a good preacher or a good teacher of the true teachings, and so forth, and therefore also a good prophet, must be full of humble bearing, only speak pleasing and elegant, chosen and diplomatic words, and must always only be friendly.
506. Gerade so müsse es sein, denken die Erdenmenschen, wie z.B. der Papst sich benehme und also viele Pfarrherren und Sektenführer, die wahrheitlich jedoch nichts anderes tun, als ihr wahres Gesicht zu verstecken und freundlich-nächstenliebend zu erscheinen, um dadurch ihre Gläubigen über ihr tatsächliches Wesen irrezuführen und sie ausbeuten zu können.
506. The Earth humans think it must be just the same as, for example, the Pope comports himself, and therefore many gentleman ministers and sect leaders, who truthfully, however, do nothing other than hide their true faces and appear friendly and neighbor-loving, to thereby mislead their believers about their actual nature, and to be able to exploit them.
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/meierv6p379.htm
What part of the world am I “FROM”? I’m a long-time Australian citizen, but I was born in the northern and western hemispheres (Boston), was in the armed services in Europe, and now live in the southern and eastern hemispheres (Tasmania), but I’m sort of “nationality-blind”, and think of us as all just coming from our one lovely planet.
Síocháin a thabhairt duit freisin, mo chara!
While this is eight months late, the only thing I take away from the above two lines is that:
It is erroneous to assume all teachers of the truth are humble/friendly.
It seems equally wrong not to consider the effectiveness of delivery of truth on the basis of the above conclusion.
(If anyone beside MH is reading this please confirm you are … reading by a simple reply.)
I’m not posting any more interblogificated disputational content between my presumably peace loving participants.
Michael, please make the distinction between “quarrelling” (bad) and “disputations” (good). According to Billy, (and it’s pretty obvious!) there’s not ENOUGH of the right kind of “disputational content” (to use your term), and if we can’t even have our adult disputes about the truth HERE, as Billy says we MUST in order to FIND the truth, where oh where can honest truth-seekers dispute the sea of lies being churned out by the myriad “Skeptics”, ignorant know-it-alls and packs of wolves in sheep’s clothing who array themselves against the harsh truth in general and our Prophet’s lessons in particular?
I’m not referring to quarrelsome name-calling and jejune personal attacks, which I agree should be curbed, just sincere “disputational content” as to the nature of the truth. I ask you to responsibly judge the distinction between the two.
And please don’t refer me to you “Battle of the Brains” thread, because it’s not about trying to outwit each other in some sort of combative sophistry competition, it’s about checking egos at the door and lovingly trying to help each other find and embrace the empowering truth – yet to be revealed in English.
Contrary to the utterly undisputed, grossly erroneous assertions made here recently – the “sword of truth” doesn’t cut down the INDIVIDUAL (who deserves respect), it cuts through the LIES. Will you let it?
“Tatsächlich ist das Gros der Menschen in ein Stadium verfallen, in dem sich das kommunizierende Sichauseinandersetzen mit dem Nächsten sowie das Diskutieren ebenso kaum oder nicht mehr finden lässt wie auch nicht das Sichauseinandersetzen mit den globalen Geschehen, denn diese Notwendigkeiten sind bereits vielen verlorengegangen.”
(Actually, the majority of humans has fallen into a state in which disputes participated in with neighbours, as well as discussions, are just as rarely or no longer to be found, as neither are quarrels with global events, because these necessities have already been mostly lost.)
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/meier.56.ratgeber.htm
This is the 8th time this translation of mine from Billy about the NEED for disputation has been provided here in less than a year, and it’s caused NO comment (let alone disputation) at ALL, yet is tacitly rejected. Talk about self-reference!
It’s “peace in wisdom”, not “peace at any price”.
Salome.
Dyson,
You actually didn’t know that Michael knows everything that you said above? He was merely trying to keep the peace. Oh by the way, I also know everything that you said.
I suggest that you THINK a little longer BEFORE you speak/write.
Hi there again, Tony.
Thanks for all your very generous advice and guidance to me here, as well as your blunt personal assessments of me and my intelligence, character, personality, motives, etc. As you would (of COURSE!) naturally already well know and take full advantage of, Billy teaches that it’s always valuable and strengthening to be given the opportunity to deal with what he calls “adversarial forces”.
I guess you suspected that I might finally rise to the occasion. (Note to readers – Tony and I are NOT one individual, nor are we secretly working together as a team, even though I admit that it must look that way.) Just like you do for me, Tony, I almost always eventually take your bait once I decide it’s properly placed.
I wouldn’t want to disappoint anyone!
🙂
And I promise I’ll be as brief as I POSSIBLY can.
I have only one question, which I’ll preface with the below.
You write, on this thread, “My spiritual philosophy is to be generous and helpful and never selfish and harmful.”
That’s great, Tony! Me too! I wish more folks were like us in that regard! But of course, as you doubtlessly know already, it’s important to not only be deliberately harmful, but indeed pitiless (as Billy teaches) when confronting mendacity and fraud. Although I disagree about the degree of Gewalt you advise here: “When dealing with liars and defamers, one should never pull punches, nor hit with flowers, but instead, a mighty sword should be used to cut them to the ground.”
https://theyflyblog.com/mindboggling/01/07/2014/comment-page-1#comment-17202
I personally always strive for as much tact as possible, but – hey – each to his own, right? It takes all kinds.
You write, “I care about others MORE than myself, but I still care about myself, and do everything within reason.” (your emphasis)
That’s very reasonable and Christian of you, Tony, but I’m SURE that you know that Billy teaches quite the opposite about your chosen priorities of care. “If a human being therefore wants to live truly and fairly, then he/she has to consider and understand that the fulfilment of the duties to himself/herself is constantly and always the most important and foremost.” (section 52, Die Art zu Leben” (How to Live).
You continue, “Of course, everyone should receive fair payment for work done.”
Well, yes, it would be quite nice, but, happily, I’ve organised my life such that I work for free, being glad to live off my small (one-third of the lowest “poverty line”) government officer’s pension, no longer having to seek funds from other sources, as you do.
The following is my respectful and serious two-part question which I ask you now to please answer, in the spirit of me seeking help from you which you offer here, in fulfilment of my ongoing creational responsibility to strive to understand the empowering truth.
http://pseudoastro.wordpress.com/tag/tony-vasquez/
This single webpage constitutes (aside of course from your many contributions here since last October or so) the entirety of your web footprint, in so far as I can ascertain.
Q: So – given that this, the only track record of yours that I can find anywhere, clearly proves (through your own work alone, not Stuart’s logical analysis thereof) that you are also undeniably abysmally wrong with your “corrected” Vedic/sidereal astrological predictions – 1.) how do you justify (as being “generous and helpful and never selfish and harmful”) advertising your line of work, here on your friend’s blog, as “accurate”, and 2.) in what way does this differ from plain old ordinary criminal fraud?
Presumably you’re taking money from your many faithful clients over many years, who – if they DO trust you and remove all doubt, as you instruct them they must as soon as possible regarding your grossly misrepresented predictive abilities – would obvious suffer a great deal of personal HARM, and the only HELP would be to your swollen bank balance.
This is VERY puzzling to me, Tony, given your recently revealed unhappiness with the rest of your family/loved ones, who you describe here on Michael’s blog as being “too involved with their money”: “I have over 100 family members/loved ones in the S(an) F(rancisco) area, and over 200 in California, many of them live on the coast. Unfortunately, none of them will take the Meier material seriously. They are too involved with their money and having ‘fun’. So be it.”
https://theyflyblog.com/more-about-the-coming-san-francisco-earthquake/01/04/2014/comment-page-1#comment-17290
I know that you’ll probably just tell me again that I’ve completely misunderstood all this because I didn’t spend enough time thinking about it, but before you do this time, I want you to know that I’ve taken your advice, and I’ve been thinking about it for months, and particularly since my unanswered questions to you of last year, here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5UahMPJ8Tc1b0tReC1DdVRlTmM/edit?usp=sharing
Thanks again, Tony, in respectful anticipation of your help with my question, and for your customary polite and respectful patience with me here.
In the spirit of immutable truth, and (as you say) lasting “peace [in wisdom] and brotherhood and sisterhood on this blog”.
Cheers!
Dyson,
Everything you said related to me is incorrect, and this is the last time I will converse with you, because I don’t think you are capable of understanding me.
Dyson,
With all due respect, because I know you have good intentions, and also you work hard to translate the Meier material.
You said, “One of my obligations is to try to “correct people” about the Meier material due to my “superior understanding” of it…”.
Well in my opinion, after having read everything you have written on this blog recently, you are not in a position spiritually, nor intellectually, to correct anyone most of the time. I strongly suggest that you restrict your words to advice and suggestions, based on your opinion, as to what the Ps and Billy are saying and teaching.
And without any feeling of competition or anger, I must tell you, that you come off as being arrogant, pompous, and like a know-it-all. So stop that, it only hurts your chances of helping anyone.
I think it’s best if all of us on this important blog simply state our opinions, and participate in great discussions, about very important information, that can and will benefit Humanity.
Yes, you may have read more of the Meier material than most/all of us, but that doesn’t automatically mean that you understand it better. In fact, I’m sure, in many cases that will not be the case.
So, let’s have peace and brotherhood and sisterhood on this blog.
Thank you. Have a great day.
“And without any feeling of competition or anger, I must tell you, that you come off as being arrogant, pompous, and like a know-it-all. So stop that, it only hurts your chances of helping anyone.”
That’s your opinion and you are definitely entitled to it but that doesn’t mean everyone on here feels that way.
I’m glad you feel that I’m entitled to my own opinion.
And on topic: Why is it that the vast majority of Humanity are not listening to the Ps and Billy? They are not listening to the teachings, nor the predictions, and to me, the reason for that is stated below.
Below is part of the SPIRITUAL SOLUTION I spoke of in my other post. Again, in my opinion, without genuine spiritual progress through the spiritual teachings, the evils/problems of the world will not be eradicated. Humanity must learn how to think, speak, and act correctly according to Creational Laws, or there is no hope for a good world.
From An Introduction To The Spirit Teaching:
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/An_Introduction_To_The_Spirit_Teaching
By Arahat Athersata:
English German
1. The terrestrial human race is entering and witnessing a phase of very powerful cosmic change. It is a new era, a new age, which continually and distinctly becomes clearer to the eyes of observant, consciously more advanced human beings.
1. Das irdische Menschengeschlecht ist in ein Stadium einer Zeugenschaft eines gewaltigen kosmischen Umbruches getreten; in ein neues Zeitalter, das sich vor den sehenden Augen denkender Menschen immer klarer und deutlicher abzeichnet.
2. While most of mankind here on Earth lies in a deep abyss of ignorance and of consciousness’ enslavement, it has become an urgent necessity, through thorough investigations, to find the causes of mankind’s decline, and to demonstrate this to human beings in a correct, clear, and revealing message and lesson.
2. Nichtsdestoweniger aber liegt das Gros dieser Menschheit im Abgrund der Unwissenheit und Bewusstseinversklavung, so es notwendig geworden ist, den Ursachen ihres Abstieges auf den Grund zu gehen und ihr dies in einer Botschaft darzutun.
3. Simultaneously, it necessitates showing new ways, which would guide mankind toward a future of conscious comprehension and harmony.
3. Gleichbedingt ist es aber auch erforderlich, neue Wege zu weisen, die in eine geistverstehende und bewusstsein- sowie geistharmonierende Zukunft führen.
4. It is now time, therefore, for the Earthling to open his eyes and ears and detach his enslaved thoughts from false teachings, to free himself from traditional falsehoods and all evil, and to finally comprehend everything according to the truth.”
4. Der Erdenmensch öffne daher seine Augen und Ohren, er reisse seine versklavten Gedanken von allen Irrlehren, Unwahrheiten und von allen Übel; er öffne seine Bewusstseinsinne zur Erkennung der Wahrheit.
And Semjase says:
94. The spiritual intelligence is enlightened by lawful spiritual principles, and directed towards the creative being, the perfection and the power of what is creative itself.
95. This in contrast to the human intelligence, because the human consciousness generally only deals with single things of the material world.
96. As a consequence, the human is restricted and handicapped in every direction; he even gets captured, suppressed, plagued and tortured by all possible forms of misfortune, frailties and enslavement.
97. Therefore, a human’s individual self-analysis is one of the essential methods to find the truth and to walk on the path of spiritual evolution.
98. Therefore, it is necessary that the human constantly examines his thoughts, and may see of what kind they are.
99. He has to pay attention that, ultimately, he is always led, directed and determined by creative-philosophical principles and realities, by creative-natural laws.
100. Within the human, there should reign a continually conscious feeling of belonging to what is creative, with his essential spiritual breath, his essential spiritual BEING.
101. It shall be spiritually clear to him that his essential spiritual BEING is inseparably one with what is Creative, in order that he may—in this awareness—overcome the material outer world.
102. This creative-philosophical truth and cognition should always and first of all rule a human’s thinking, feeling and acting.
103. For only he who is one with the spirit can recognize and do good in the long run, because he has the possibilities of Creation within himself.
104. Nothing negative within the endless universe may touch and enslave him anymore.
105. In addition to this creative-philosophical consciousness comes the practical, dynamic, creative, i.e. the mystical consciousness that consists of the perception of the one reality in all things.
106. Therefore the human has to be a practical philosopher and mystic, and perceive the reality in its changeable, passing forms.
107. For what is a human?
108. He is only a figure and a name.
109. If one takes away a human’s name and figure, what will remain?
110. What remains is the fundamental essence, the existence—the spirit.
111. The human who fails to see this will be driven around and away by the slightest breath of air, without hope for rescue; always striving to find a firm hold somewhere that, however, will never be offered unless he searches for, and finds, the fundamental truth.
112. Billions of humans look up to the stars in the sky, however without any results or realizations.
113. Astronomers, however, while looking up to the sky, discover new worlds and write books about it.
114. But what they see and recognize, other people cannot see or recognize, even if they can look up.
115. Despite their seeing eyes they are blind.
116. In a similar way this is the case with the normal and the spiritual human:
117. The human, who truly lives according to Creation’s laws, sees everywhere and recognizes what is creative, in every life form, in every thing, in every thought and act in every human, in all of nature’s work and also in all conceivable circumstances.
118. But the normal, unspiritual human, who is harmed by religions or other unreal teachings, may not see or hear, or recognize even one iota of truth.
119. His life is unspiritual, all the more pressed into human-material ways.
120. Thereby he is blind, deaf and ignorant.
121. The human who adheres to Creation’s laws is the most blessed and most fearless being.
122. His will is insurmountable, his dedication immeasurable and endless, and his wisdom and love are constant and perfect, not capricious and full of doubts, like it is the case with those who are dependent from religions or generally those who are led astray in some way.
123. His mind resembles the wide, endless sea and does not let itself come out of its rest.
124. He does not tremble with fear.
125. Therefore, the human may unfold his spiritual mind that is not anymore reached by any degenerated negative force;
126. The mind which gives no shelter to negatively degenerated thoughts and supersedes all positively degenerated thoughts and actions.
127. Only a balanced mind that is rooted in what is creative—in creative service, in creative wisdom, its knowledge, its love and joy that are more real than all material walls around the human environment—is valuable and serving the spirit’s development.
128. Therefore the human being shall be spiritually great and constructive at all times.
129. The spirit, the source of all endless, creative development, is itself the human’s innermost being.
130. The human outer being is full of limitations, because it is not itself, but only its wrap, its material body, a limitation, a misleading matter, the source of toil and pain, limited regarding cognition and will, willingness to make sacrifices, freedom, love and luck.
131. If the human looks at his fellowman in an external, material way only, he sees nothing other than just exactly the form and figure, the material of this special person.
132. If he looks at him with the spiritual eyes of cognition and knows that this all-testifying consciousness in himself is also in all the other ones, albeit unknown to them, then the manner of how he sees his fellowmen changes completely.
133. He then does not simply see a man anymore, a woman, a girl or a child, but he sees the fellowman as a bearer of a creative spirit that knows about itself, about its existence, and wants to reveal itself through anybody if there would only be offered an opportunity.
134. He who knows the truth sees his fellowman from this knowledge and recognition, because he sees in him what is creative.
135. At least he now knows more than he knew before he recognized the truth.
136. This is the proof then that ignorance is nothing that cannot be changed for all times.
The wishing of cleaning up Nukushima is dream. Stop nuclear and stop births.
Stop all selfishness, which is the root of all evil. Many people say that greed – the love of money – is the root of all evil, but selfishness is the root of greed. My spiritual philosophy is to be generous and helpful and never selfish and harmful. When the majority of Humanity thinks that way, we can start to have a great world of peace and prosperity for all.
Tony if I were not somewhat selfish, my house would be filled with kids who don’t want to go home. I am selfish and want them to go home. And that’s not a bad thing. Do you think it’s selfish to want to be paid for the work a person has done?
Sheila,
The definition of selfish – caring only or chiefly for oneself; concerned with one’s own interests, welfare, etc., regardless of others.
I care about others MORE than myself, but I still care about myself, and do everything within reason.
Of course, everyone should receive fair payment for work done.
Sorry Tony, but I do think that is against the spiritual teaching to hold someone elses welfare above your own. But I stand open to corrections.
Sheila,
If you are mother, do you put your child’s welfare before your own?
Hey Tony,
The spirit teaching says that humans are to be self responsible, including being responsible for their material needs. It is irresponsible for a mother to continue supporting a grown child, when he/she is capable of being self responsible and caring for their own needs. There is nothing in the teaching that says people have to die for another. This would go against the law of self preservation and self defense. So it is not wrong to not want to take a bullet for someone. However, a person must, in being self responsible, help another person in danger, for example, as long as the helper is trying to achieve self preservation or not help another circumvent their own self responsibility.
Best regards!
Dear Tony,
I know you don’t like being corrected, or me trying to correct anyone here, for that matter, but I am obliged to keep trying, because you are simply ignorant of the truth you claim to covey.
It’s become a lot of work for me since you surfaced here stating that you know the Meier material under discussion here better than I do and trying to teach the Meier texts while simultaneously hard-selling your source of revenue, which, BTW, is NOT an accepted “science”. I just wish you’d learn before you try to teach. But I’ll stick to the words of the prophets so you’re less likely to say this time that I am simply too lacking in intelligence and familiarity with the material to be able to understand you and Billy’s texts. OK? (Oh. Sorry. You won’t converse with me any more due to my aforementioned lack of intelligence, familiarity with the material and understanding of it.)
You write, on this thread about not listening:
“Stop all selfishness, which is the root of all evil. Many people say that greed – the love of money – is the root of all evil, but selfishness is the root of greed.”
Wrong again/still, bro.
In the latter chapters of OM, which Billy wrote, as you DOUBTLESSLY already know, the ancient adage from canon 42 (referenced in the Biblical verse, Timothy 6:10) has been given an important update for today’s obese, indolent, arrogant, egoistic, avaricious, overly-fecund, dumbed-down, PIG-IGNORANT, rapidly degenerating, galloping-to-the-abyss world of ours, currently drowning in a tsunami of lust, gluttony, greed, sloth, wrath, envy and pride.
But this more recent error of fact of yours is at least consistent with your above claim, so well demonstrated here, (as usual, also in perfect opposition to Billy’s most fundamental teachings) that you care more about others than yourself.
From our living Prophet:
OM 55:20 (German) Die Unkenntnis die Wahrheit ist dei Wurzel alle Übel.
(English) Ignorance of the truth is the root of all evil.
(Figuese) The unknowledge of the truth is the root of all the terrible things.
And from the ancient prophets of The Old Ages:
OM 32:466: (German) Aus Habsucht entsteht Wut und unstillbares Verlangen, so aber auch die Veblendung und das Verderben, denn Habsucht ist die Wurzel aller Übel.
(English) From greed (avarice, covetousness, cupidity) arises anger and unquenchable desire, as well as that which blinds and corrupts, because greed (avarice, covetousness, cupidity) is the root of all evil.
(Figuese) From avariciousness evolves/comes-about anger and unquenchable longing, as well as the dazzling and the depravity because greed is the root of all the terrible things.
And there’s a slightly different take here, from the officially translated (and long published for free on line) Goblet of Truth. I believe you must have read that already, Tony.
(Billy) «It is you alone who can raise up your Earth again if you cease with all your terror and with your destructions, if you put a stop to your overpopulation which is the root of all evil disasters and problems; yet consider that your path will be very long in setting your planet back into a condition that will be a true source of life for you.» (‹Goblet of Truth›, chapter 28, verse 151) Also quoted by Maria Wächter, p. XLIII
And before I leave you to it again, Tony, just a bit about the actual roots of greed, if our hard-working host will allow:
Goblet of Truth ch.27:349 – Falling prey to material possessions and clinging thereon means being attached with all fibres of your life as well as your thoughts, feelings, wishes and your hopes and desires only to the sole purpose of the acquisition and possession thereof, and to worry about them; and this irrespective of whether this attachment is for the sake of the possession and the goods themselves or for the sake of the avariciousness and the pleasure which is made possible through the amassing of money and goods; but no matter what causes and purposes lead to the greed with regard to goods and riches, in the end, the result remains always the same.
[Being: blindness and corruption (or) becoming dazzled and depraved]
Salome.
Hi Darcy, I certainly agree – and I know Billy and any thinking person would too – that we should certainly pause births and replace nukes, but you imply that the dream of cleaning up our dreadfully dangerous spills is a BAD thing.
I wonder if you’ve read Billy’s 460 page (translated) book, Might of the Thoughts?
Here’s a little excerpt about our planet’s dreamers:
“Among all the Earth’s human beings there exist many who simply live from day to day and do not think at all about the general progress and about the future. They also do not engage in fantasies, ruminations, visions and dreaming, which ultimately lead to the evolution actually being sufficiently fulfilled because, due to the necessity of the evolution, that which is new and progressive is devised, and indeed both in the purely knowing realm of the consciousness, with its material intellect, as well as in the realm of the consciousness which is responsible for the inner evolution in every regard; and in the realm of the purely material of every kind. Were there no human beings who occupied themselves with dreaming, visions and fantasies, then progress would stop, whereby there could also be no learning for those who do not themselves make an effort for everything but only draw the benefit from the successes, the lived practical experiences and the knowledge and achievements of those who creatively and constructively engage in visions, dreaming and fantasies. Thus it is effectively the dreamers, visionaries and fantasisers, as well as those most enthusiastic about the evolution, who are the saviours of the world. They invisibly carry the humanity evolutively forward and bring forth knowledge, wisdom, humaneness and the state of being human in the true sense, but also the formation of personality, morality and character as well as uncountable intellectual and material achievements. The visible world is carried and caused to evolve by the invisible powers of the universe and thereby by the Creation. The human being also lives from these powers, but, in the broader sense, also by means of himself/herself – by means of his/her own creativity. However, only few consciously perceive this and act accordingly, for which reason, as a rule, bringing the world and human beings progressively forward is action only characteristic of those who understand that they must take upon themselves many attempts, errors and efforts and often very much suffering when they engage in progressive dreaming, fantasising and visions. That is a significant and important point as to why humanity should never forget or insult its dreamers, visionaries and those gifted with imagination, because it is actually their ideals which bring progress and success for all: ideals, works and values which no longer fade and are immune from dying and passing away. And humanity adopts these ideals, works and values and makes them its own, whereby it likewise lives in the fantasies, visions, ruminations and dreams of those who conceived them and brought them forth and therefore of those who awakened them, and awaken them, into the life. In the realisation of the thoughts of those who have a rich imagination, and in the realisation of the thoughts of the dreamers and visionaries, humanity recognises the reality which it has already lived or which it lives, or which it will one day see and live. Enthusiasts, ruminators, architects, designers, poets, composers, painters, philosophers and prophets, writers of all kinds, sculptors, inventors and many others, are the true creators and producers for posterity. They think up and create all those things which the human being is able to think up and bring forth. And although, since time immemorial, they have created many things which have a malicious effect, and things which are negative and bad, which brought an extraordinary amount of affliction, misery and terror over the Earth and over the humanity, indeed that which cannot and must not be disregarded and overlooked is the enormous number of manifold positive, good, healthy and truly pure and evolutive things as a result of which the world and humanity have become progressive and the planet and its manifold life have had their beauty preserved. This is a fact which cannot be doubted, although the destruction of the planet, as well as of the flora and fauna, moves ever onward as a result of the incessantly increasing overpopulation, and its consequences. But an extraordinary number of good, beautiful, healthy, pure and valuable things have been created by the dreamers and visionaries as well as by those with a gift for imagination, and have proved themselves to be of great and evolutive benefit for the entire humanity. The world and the life of the human being have become beautiful because of those with a gift for imagination, and because of the dreamers and visionaries. Had the visionaries, dreamers and imaginative ones not lived, humanity would never have reached its current state of evolution and would have already passed away long ago. Dreamers, enthusiasts, ruminators, visionaries and those with a gift for fantasy are therefore the real bringers of progress, because they are humanity’s truly creative and constructive thinkers. It is they who create architecture, designs, poetry, compositions, paintings, prophecy and philosophy, literature, inventions, works of sculpture and many other things, and bring them to humanity, which thereby profits in every regard and thereby becomes progressive. p. 208 https://figu.org/shop/b%C3%BCcher/might-of-the-thoughts
Cheers!
love that excerpt! thx 4 bringing it to light for the English speakers, DD
My pleasure and privilege, Bruce.
Buy the book. Change your life. Change the world!
🙂
It is a frustrating thing being a human of this earth…
Especially living amongst our brothers and sisters of the world.
The flow of thoughts always brings me back to the realization that it truly is all about “us”… what we will do as individuals.
I guess personally whatever the Plejaren’s have said gives much to think about and yearn for within the world of thoughts. Maybe in this way something better can be given to everything, including the physical. Yet, there will be no instant satisfaction on this world.
What would it take for the flood gates of truth to open. If they wont listen how will we ever change as a whole..
To me it seems the Plejaren know “us” better than we think. Many things I agree with very little I don’t in my earthly logic. Yet, one thing is for sure…. this is about us and our future survival.
The truth is filled with horror on our planet… as it pertains to our fellow humans and what we have done… or failed to do. Its hard to live and interact in it, and be expected to “run to the other end of the pendulum” constantly. One almost has to find a way to shield themselves from the effects of our fellow humans. To find peace within oneself…. to express it from the truth that lies within. Not an easy thing to do and gives no satisfaction other than to that which lies within….
I like many others, have constantly mulled over what can be done about this situation or that… but nothing ever comes about as a whole! Only more layers are added… more warnings given(not from our governments) and we slowly progress down the path. With only a very few actually making new paths for others to follow if they choose.
Yet, one paths evil is another s positive and in typical earthly fashion we over complicate the easiest of solutions and focus on the fodder …..
Where are we going?
Brings new meaning to why the Plejaren wanted Billy to contact all the earth governments back in the 50’s. I think it is time to come a knocking on their doors again! As is in the U.S. might be a little louder than a “knock”!!
Dear all, in strict order of appearance.
Dear Anthony,
You write, “Instead of being a smart ass, why don’t you search for the correct things people say and offer encouragement? And show your intelligence by adding to the truth people say.”
Of course I do try to do just that, but the idea behind the renewed teachings is to strive to learn from mistakes, not just get praise and encouragement from things that are NOT mistakes. In order to learn from our mistakes (which is why we make them), of course they have to be identified and corrected if possible. That’s everybody’s creational obligation, mine included.
Your write, “Go translate something or offer ALL your English translations to the USA market, will you?”
All my translations are free of charge on line, except my books by Billy, which we’re legally/contractually obliged, by him personally, to permit FIGU to sell at cost. We’ve never ever received a single red cent for any of our years of full-time, unpaid, volunteer work for Billy’s mission. When Michael offered us 50% of his profits for his CD of our already published work, we turned him down and he ended up contributing a lot of money (100% of all proceeds) towards the professional translation of “The Goblet of Truth”. And I AM currently translating Die Art zu Leben (How to live). The author of a translated book retains proprietary rights to the book. If you want Billy to pay out of his own pocket so you can get a free book, ask him, not me. Ditto, if you want a book about nutrition from Michael, he’s the man to approach, not me – obviously.
Good luck with your nutrition, Anthony.
Dear Schantz,
You write, “You can’t prove what does not exist in the Meier material. You have not read anything in the other 95% that says otherwise, have you?”
As a matter of fact, yes, I have. All the time. It’s called deductive logic and (like it or not) often entails a lot of “reading between the lines”, because Billy simply cannot endanger himself and his vital mission even more than he already has by always coming out with unambiguous sound-bites, any more that the Plejaren can land in the Rose Garden. Got it? But they WILL provide lots of clues and hints which believers can forcefully reject. That’s how it works. They ain’t selling hamburgers.
Here are a just a very few examples for those who have eyes to see:
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/Meier.puzzlesolution.htm
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/meierv2p406-410,v4p55-58,98-101.htm
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/meiersb34.htm
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/meierv7p438-444.htm
If you choose not to believe in supranational conspiracies, that’s your right, and I’ll defend it, but don’t demand it of others too please.
And please stop demanding that I prove things to you. (And please try to accept that the truth is often harsh and offensive even if you don’t want it to be.)
“Bei Menschen Beweise führen zu wollen, ist seit alters her der falsche Weg, darum soll niemals erklärt werden, dass jetzt einmal dieses und jenes bewiesen werden soll.”
(Since time immemorial, wanting to prove something to someone has been the wrong way, therefore it should never be declared that now something or other will be proven.)
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/meier.sdw142.DerfalscheWeg.htm
I can’t learn FOR you. You can prove things to yourself IF you follow my links – which you find so offensively unacceptable. That’s how it works. Billy can’t spoon feed us.
Billy has suffered 22 assignation attempts. He is The Prophet of the New Age, not the pope, and as such naturally has many powerful and ruthless enemies. He can’t just come out and tell all he knows about every dangerous topic, like the September 11th, 2001 massacre, and identify by name the groups he calls (in his Goblet of Truth) “the Order of Darkness” the way Paul Hellyer did last year. He has to be very tactful and says, “Don’t believe ANYBODY, not even me.”
If you haven’t followed these, I think you certainly should. If you have, please read them again, given that “repetition is the mother of all learning” as Billy teaches.
http://www.theyfly.com/concealment-vs-lies
You write, “You continually act like Billy is hiding the truth or speaking double talk, when he simply states his version of the events, which you just won’t accept.“
Please read this, where Billy addresses your basic errors of fact about him and his methodology:
https://figu.org/shop/schriften/informationsschriften/those-who-lie-about-contacts?language=en
And I think you may have missed this contribution which I addressed to you:
https://theyflyblog.com/and-the-fanatics-and-warriors-of-islam/07/01/2013/comment-page-1#comment-12681
How am I supposed to try to help sincere truth seekers here if not to provide URLs here on Michael’s Internet blog?
I can’t force books down your throat.
Regarding “9/11” – https://theyflyblog.com/the-hillary-raimo-show-decoding-the-billy-meier-material/11/08/2013/comment-page-1#comment-15833
And please read this one: The below is an unofficial translation of a short excerpt from an outstanding article by core-group member Hans-Georg Lanzendorfer, which was published in FIGU Special Bulletin #28 in September 2006.www.figu.org/de/figu/bulletin/s28/nasa.htm Hans’s article includes various selected excerpts from the Contact Reports which go into some detail about the Apollo 11 hoax, and the below translation has been made to demonstrate that – due to FIGU’s unique status – irresponsibly publishing everything known to be true could result in fatal danger to the FIGU members at the SSSC. Had someone openly asked FIGU whether people had landed on the Moon in 1969, FIGU would have had to have somehow avoided giving a straight answer or would have had to say something like, “FIGU Switzerland distances itself from claims that the Apollo 11 Moon landing was not genuine.” Logic suggests that there may indeed still be other matters of equal or even greater sensitivity that might elicit the a similar reply, and for the same prudent reasons.
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/Meier.Mondv6p70.htm
Best.
Dear Duke,
Let me just paste in the entirety of the first part of your contribution here addressed to me, and then I’ll try to deal with your ten+ questions to me as best I can.
You write, “You write, ‘And I imagine Asket and her folks will probably continue to scotch our mad scientists’ deliberate doomsday machines which run the risk of ruining the (cosmic) neighbourhood.’ Sorry, but alleged ETs NEVER suggested they would involve themselves if Earth Humanity shoots ONLY its own foot off or due to natural cosmic phenomenon unless it was literally world ending and we could not help ourselves.”
Immediately after me writing, “doomsday machines WHICH RUN THE RISK OF RUINING THE (COSMIC) NEIGHBOURHOOD”, you respond by writing, “if Earth Humanity shoots ONLY its own foot off”. See the problem? And we are currently in the process of shooting off both our feet, and then some. I was referring to what you fear to be “runaway” effects (into the cosmic neighbourhood) of “free energy”. And you’ve also confusingly conflated what Billy says about cosmic neutrinos, not plan old electrons, being the things currently powering your electronics, which is what I’m referring to in some “free energy” devices.
To be blunt, I have to treat your other thought-provoking (and quite hard for me to understand) questions as rhetorical and polemical. But I’ll give you my opinion on your ultimate one, if I may.
“This begs the ultimate question, how much does Billy or the alleged Plejaran extraterrestrials know about the Earth Human experience and perspective?”
IMO, heaps more than we do, which wouldn’t be all that difficult.
Cheers everybody!
Dear Dyson,
I don’t see a problem as I was originally referring to the Henock Prophecies in a paraphrased manner. So, I might as well just quote the source material to clear things up as I originally replied not understanding you were NOT talking about the Henock Prophecies.
http://theyfly.com/prophecies/prophecies.htm
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Henok_Prophecies
“Destruction in North America
Far in the West, it will be different; the United States of America will be a country of total destruction. The cause for this will be manifold. With her global conflicts which are continuously instigated by her and which will continue far into the future, America is creating enormous hatred against her, worldwide, in many countries. As a result, America will experience enormous catastrophes which will reach proportions barely imaginable to people of Earth. The destruction of the WTC, i.e., the World Trade Center, by terrorists will only be the beginning.
Yet all the apocalyptic events will not only be brought about due to the use of unbelievably deadly and destructive weapons—such as chemical, laser and others—and by cloned murder machines; but in addition to this, the Earth and nature, maltreated to the deepest depths by the irresponsible human beings of Earth, will rise up and cause destruction and bring death onto the Earth. Enormous firestorms and gigantic hurricanes will sweep over the USA and bring devastation, destruction and annihilation, as this from time immemorial never before will have happened [sic].
Not only will America, but also all other Western industrial countries which still live at the beginning of the new millennium in the delusion that they could dominate and rule over underdeveloped nations, i.e., Third World countries, will not only soon lose influence over these but must defend themselves against them.
According to the prophecies of Henoch, the truth about industrialised countries is that they only seem to appear to be true civilisations, but in fact they are not; because more and more, at the end of the 20th century and at the beginning of the third millennium, they will disregard all true love, true freedom and true wisdom as well as true peace along with all values of humaneness and all values of men’s and women’s true being.
But not even all the terrible happenings will hinder the USA in continuing to proceed with her actions against all countries. Even when the North American continent will be stricken by the most terrible catastrophe which has ever been recorded, evil military powers will wreak havoc with computerised and nuclear, biological and chemical weapons, whereby it will also happen that computerised weapons become independent and cannot be controlled any longer by human beings. Overall, this is the most important part of Henoch’s prophecies.”
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What would Billy or the alleged Plejaran Quetzel be referring to or think would fit the description of enormous ‘firestorms’ that also are ‘from time immemorial never before will have happened’ stemming from ‘Earth and nature, maltreated to the deepest depths by the irresponsible human beings of Earth’?
It would be neat if the original german was there and hopefully you have a copy I can reference. I might be able to clear things up with the original but all I have is the translation to work with.
Otherwise, I’m sorry you feel my words to be rhetorical and polemical. I can only point out the Prophecies more so here in the hopes Billy’s and the alleged Plejaran perspective is achieved:
“Worldwide natural catastrophes
As already mentioned, enormous natural catastrophes and rolling walls of fire and violent hurricanes will rage all across America, while, in addition, all the terrible effects of war will bring thousandfold deaths, destruction and annihilation. America’s largest cities will be absolutely destroyed, and firestorms will cause great disaster and misery.
Severe earthquakes and volcanic eruptions will also belong to that time, and these will cause much suffering and misery and deaths besides enormous destruction and devastation, as all of nature and the planet itself will rise up against the insanity of human beings on Earth. However, tornadoes, earthquakes and volcanic eruptions will not only rage in America, but also in Europe and in the rest of the world.
These activities have already begun at the present time, also during the past decades—with the exception that they will become increasingly more devastating in the future. And man of Earth is guilty for the most part today, as also in the future it is man who will destroy the entire environment—all of nature, the atmosphere, water and all the resources of the planet. ”
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“Yet the misery on Earth will continue, as two terrible civil wars will break out in America, whereby one will follow the other. Afterwards, the United States of America will break apart and deadly hostility will prevail among her, which then leads to the division into five different territories; and it cannot be prevented that sectarian fanatics will play a dictatorial role.
Anarchy will be the worldwide condition that will prevail and torment human beings over a long period of time, as human beings will also be tormented by the many epidemics and diseases, many of them new and unknown to human beings and for this reason incurable. Due to this fact, the bodies of many human beings will slowly and miserably decay, while unbearable pain will also occur as well as blindness and terrible respiratory problems that lead to suffocation. The consciousness of many human beings will become impaired and succumb to feeblemindedness and insanity. And all these gruesome occurrences will be traceable to biological and chemical weapons, which are the cause of not fast, but gruesome and slow deaths; and this will also occur due to the use of ray and frequency weapons which are already being developed today.
Finally, the words of Henoch may be specifically mentioned, which include that mankind of Earth, in pursuit of technology for mass destruction and greed for power, hatred, vengeance and riches, will ignore all values of Creation and will trample upon all values of love, wisdom, freedom and peace, as ancestors of the Henoch lineage have done before, to plunge the world into screaming misery, death, destruction and annihilation and into the most severe catastrophes mankind of Earth will ever have experienced.”
Hey Duke.
Right. Henock. I can’t find his prophecies in German either. I’m sure they’re somewhere, but Benjamin Stevens never got all of them either, so … who knows? If you find them, let me know and I’ll check any German questions you may have found.
Well … it’s no secret to the Meier students (or other conscious citizens) that “the devil incarnate”, as Billy calls the U.S.A., has – due to the immutable law of cause and effect – got a lot of heavy duty justice coming down for all its dreadful crimes against humanity, chronicled somewhere on theyfly.com. (Why do you think I’m in Tasmania?) But, as I’ve said here before, I think there’s too much of a focus on the ancient prophecies, and not enough of a focus on the modern ones. And that can be frighteningly misleading, given that some of the war-related prophesies have already reportedly been superseded. Billy himself has expressed frustration (somewhere!) that people should pay more attention to the current warnings and do less of a Nostradamus-type reading of the old ones.
But if you’re trying to divine technological weaponry specifics from Henock, you looking in the wrong place. Try Tom Bearden. I suggest “Fer-de-Lance”.
http://www.cheniere.org/sales/buy-fl.htm
I assume from your contributions here that you also have a military background, but I don’t know if you share my technical/electronic background, so (if not) you might find the book heavy going because it is abstruse – as you’d expect – but stick with it if you want to know more about the super weapons Nikita Sergeyevich Khrushchev was so terribly excited about way way back in the 1960s.
But it’s down the rabbit hole, mate, and great progress – if you can call it that – has been made since then by the runaway Military-Industrial Complex Eisenhower tried to warn us about in his farewell address to the Union, as can be plainly seen today by those with eyes to see.
But scalar weapons are as good as any for igniting continent-sized firestorms, so you might as well start reading up about them.
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/meierv8p447-8.htm
That’s what this below quote was about and why Monika Lewinsky was so distractingly prominent in the corporate news just then:
“Others [terrorists] are engaging even in an eco-type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves… So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations…It’s real, and that’s the reason why we have to intensify our [counterterrorism] efforts.”
Quote from U.S. Secretary of Defense William Cohen at an April 1997 counterterrorism conference sponsored by former Senator Sam Nunn. Quoted from DoD News Briefing, Secretary of Defense William S. Cohen, Q&A at the Conference on Terrorism, Weapons of Mass Destruction, and U.S. Strategy, University of Georgia, Athens, Apr. 28, 1997.
Of course we’ve moved on to a new generation of things like (gotta say it – the WTC’s) hutchison effect weapons, and so on and so forth, which Ptaah seems to me to be describing as the main “futuristic weapons, of which the normal Earth humans have no idea, and of which they do not ever dare to dream.”
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/meiersb34.htm
But, as Michael advises, ”Don’t worry about death. You’ll live through it.”
Billy teaches that everybody should think about death every day. I tried it, and it works. I’m much happier and my love of life has increased proportionately. Billy also teaches that our irrational fear of death is the greatest psychological lever that the authorities in power use against us. I know from personal experience that most people are only really moved to act when they think their life is on the line. You’d know that too, I’m guessing.
The 7th of the “7 Powers of the Human Being” is “fearlessness”.
http://au.figu.org/seven_factors.html
🙂
Cheers!
Hi Dyson,
Thank you for the response and clearing things up.
My pleasure, Duke. Thanks for your courtesy and contributions.
Dyson,
I’ve read every link and comment you’ve posted in the past. I disagree with most of what you say and what you think you see.
The comment section of this blog reminds me of the old FIGU forum days when you were there. Good thing for you that the moderator here allows you to try and connect the Meier material to your theories.
What I don’t like is that it gives a false representation of Billy Meier says. Which is surprising since I’m assuming the moderator and the American media representative for Billy Meier are the same person.
Seriously Schantz, protecting readers from false assumptions makes me think you think people are stupid. Please do not treat us like children. I liked the old FIGU forum days, it was a lot more livelier. I even remember YOU getting in trouble for making remarks about “that Michael Horn dude” and everyone came down hard on you. How come you’re not still blogging over there? To get to the truth, one must look at all sides. My opinion has never changed concerning 9/11 even when Billy said it wasn’t an inside job because there is just too much evidence to the contrary. My point is as issues become common knowledge, then Billy will be able to talk more freely about them. Until then let’s have some good healthy debates. And if you find yourself walking away mad, just keep walking. 🙂
Sheila,
I do think people are stupid. I’m not mad, but I would just keep walking if I encountered you, unless you needed my help in some way. I quit blogging over there because I couldn’t stand the bullying and people sticking up for that Horn dude.
I thought I was safe here but apparently not. So off I go…
If you think people on this forum are stupid, what does that make you? Smarter than everyone else? You said “I would just keep walking if I encountered you”. How do you know you haven’t encountered me already? LOL Well that is funny that you quit over there because of what you perceive as bullying. You are on a blog, what do you expect? Now you are leaving because you feel it’s not safe for you? LOL grow a spine man.
Yo Sheila!
You wrote, “Billy said it (the massacre on September 11th, 2001) wasn’t an inside job”.
HUH?
Where did he say that? I thought he said it WAS an inside job – but not in so many words of course – more like, “Bush knew before it happened, but didn’t intervene”, or words to that effect.
I’d be most interested to find out where you got that info, thanks.
Hang in their, my friend! Don’t forget what OM says: 32:1979 “Um die Wahrheit zu begraben, dazu gibt es nicht genug Schauflen.” (There are not enough shovels to bury the truth.)
Hi Dyson, apparently I assmemed it (which actually means assumed – but I only made an ass out of me LOL). When I first read contact report 544 on http://www.figu.org/ch/verein/periodika/sonder-bulletin/2012/nr-69/911-tragödie
it jumped from this:
Billy: In this regard, for example, the predominant conspiracy theory actually is that the U.S. government itself brought about this catastrophe and, through the CIA, and so forth, allowed the two towers to be loaded up with explosives and then to be exploded, which is why they collapsed into themselves.
To this:
Ptaah: It must be said that this actually corresponds to nonsense. Truthly, everything arose just as the inquiries by professionals and by the secret services indicated.
I compared it to your translation on Future of Mankind and I realized that 3 sentences of Billys and 2 sentences of Ptaah’s were MISSING. Thank you for making me find my error.
Dear Schantz,
I sincerely sympathise with, and in fact share, your concern that I’m “giving a false impression of what Billy says”. As an “official” translator, (who HAS to understand these teachings correctly in order to correctly translate them) that’s my very biggest concern of all. But losses are inescapable, not only with translations, but also just with explanations. That’s why we’re told we have to think for ourselves, as opposed to just believe things we read, hear, watch on Youtube, etc. No shortcuts. Burn the midnight oil. Learn German. Read thick books. Meditate. Gain experiential insight. You know the drill.
Here’s a tiny snip from today’s DRAFT (subject to error!) work-in-progress of Billy’s “Die Art zu Leben” (How to Live)
132)
“Nur einem Menschen, dessen Bildung und solide Eigenschaften das Mittelmass übertreffen, können die erhabenen Dinge erklärt und von ihm verstanden werden; jenen aber, welche unter dem Mittelmass und der normalen Durchschnittlichkeit der Bildung und der ausgeprägten hand¬festen Eigenschaften leben, ist das Verstehen der erhabenen und höchsten Dinge verschlossen, weshalb sie sich um die Bildung, die Erkennung der Wahrheit und das Wissen sowie um das handwerkliche Geschick bemühen müssen, um das Mittelmass zu erlangen und zu überschreiten; das fordert die Evolution.”
(Only a human being whose education and solid characteristics surpass the average can have the sublime things explained and understood by him/her; but those who live below the average and the normal mediocrity of the education and marked firm characteristics are closed to the understanding of the sublime and highest things, for which reason they must make an effort regarding the education, the recognition of the truth and regarding the knowledge as well as regarding the manual skills, in order to attain the average and surpass it; evolution demands that.)
So Billy tells us that George W. Bush knew about “9/11” before it happened (Duh!) and didn’t do anything to prevent it, and we have to do the rest. And, as Andy correctly stated, Dr. Judy Wood assembled and clearly presented the scientific evidence and then it’s up to us to see whether it’s logical.
Have you read her book? Watched her lectures? It’s one of the most important books of the 21st Century, IMO.
But we’re only Earth humans, eh? And some things are TOO terrible to even contemplate for most folks. As Dr. Steven Greer says, “ET is the easy bit”. So we often unwittingly dismiss what we see, to all the more tightly embrace our dangerously obsolete comforting delusions. One of those delusions is that conspiracy theorists are paranoid. Tell that to the Bafath with their 625 mind-control machines for all those millennia up until May 1978.
Tell that to Billy after all those cowardly and murderous attempts on his life.
So I’m obliged to do my best to help those who ask in honesty to find the harsh truth, and that’s all I do. I don’t “make” anybody do anything or learn in any particular way – although I’m quick to tell people who voluntarily come here to Michael’s blog how Billy teaches that we should do things – but it would simply be wrong of me to parrot Billy’s exquisitely chosen words as if they were cant or dogma, without also trying to provide some broad-brush interpretation of them for those without access to the original. This is a no-win situation for those of us that try to fulfil that creational obligation, but it’s not a game. It’s way too serious for that.
I’ll let the blog moderator/American Media Rep speak for himself, but it’s no secret that we vigorously disagree about the nature of the truth and Billy words sometimes, naturally based on our very different backgrounds, abilities and experiences in the world. But that’s not a bad thing. That’s a good thing. As a Disclosure Project Witness (and rep) I initially went at it hammer-and-tongs with Michael about (faked) “alien abductions” (and in the full glare of the public arena – check the forum archives – as well as in innumerable private email exchanges) until Billy was finally allowed to reveal what he was told 22 years earlier but had to keep secret – for reasons too obvious to mention! So public the trashing of poor tortured innocent MILAB victims, for being liars, attention-seekers, nutcases, and so on, ended quite fully and quite abruptly (as did Michael’s unmovable position on the matter) as soon as I managed to upload a translation.
Billy – Es ist nun schon rund 22 Jahre her, dass du und Quetzal mir privaterweise gesagt habt, dass ihr umfangreiche Erkenntnisse in bezug auf irdische UFOs und das Massakrieren von Tieren und angebliche Entführungen habt, die als Machwerke Ausserirdischer getarnt werden.
Billy Around 22 years have now passed since you and Quetzal told me privately that you had comprehensive cognitions in regard to terrestrial UFOs and the massacre of animals and alleged abductions which were disguised as the shoddy efforts of extraterrestrials.
Du hast dabei gesagt, dass diesbezüglich sowohl Regierungen, Militärs und auch Industriekonzerne und Finanzmächtige in diese Machenschaften involviert sind, die eine spezielle Gruppierung bilden, denen auch noch kleinere Gruppen zugeordnet sind.
You said thereby that, in regard to this, involved in these machinations are governments, the military, as well as industrial businesses and powerful ones of finance, which constitute a special group, to which still smaller groups are also related.
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/meiersb34.htm
So if we don’t stick to our guns about our (in this case, insider) understanding of the truth in such a (public) way that Billy and Co. start to recognise we might actually be collectively ready for it – they simply won’t give it to us.
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/meier.v1p11-20.htm (See lines 48-52)
But one thing I think Michael and I are in accord about is we both detest sycophancy. Here’s a nice little quote (that took me three years to find again, after losing its source!), from contact 249:
(Billy to Ptaah) “..someone who thoughtfully and justly criticises another human being’s actions, thoughts, feelings, lifestyle and opinion, among other things, is that person’s true friend. He who praises but omits criticism is the worst enemy.”
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/hardlanguageoftruth.htm
So I thank you for your honest and constructive disagreements, Schantz, wish you all the very best with your studies, and look forward to more disputations with you here as long as I’m allowed.
Fraternally.
Hi Dyson…how are you, I am fine thanks. Say I was reading your comment and in particular the comment about landing man on the Moon in the year 1969. Kennedy’s dream to land a man on the Moon before the end of the decade came true, because on November 14 Apollo 12 blasted off to the Moon on a 10 day mission. Apollo 12 returned to Earth and landed on November 24 1969.
Thanks, Darcy. Very good point. (I’m fine thanks, as ever.) Every so often I see some stupid typo I made in haste or some other cock-up of mine, like the “1969” one you were the first to notice on those old archived webpages and I know that – like a fly preserved forever in amber – it’s just gonna have to stay that way now ’cause I can’t do anything about it.
Cheers!
Yes Cheers and good luck too.
Dear Great-all-powerful mr D,
You proclaim, “And I AM currently translating Die Art zu Leben (How to live). The author of a translated book retains proprietary rights to the book. If you want Billy to pay out of his own pocket so you can get a free book, ask him, not me. Ditto, if you want a book about nutrition from Michael, he’s the man to approach, not me – obviously.
Good luck with your nutrition, Anthony.”
First off, speaking of nutrition, why don’t you put your ******** long winded posts on a diet? You can slim down what you say and be more focused and not take up too much space in this world.
As usual, you either read too fast or you have difficulty understanding what people are trying to say. Or you intentionally spin things to harm what a person is trying to say. I never said I wanted a FREE BOOK you maroon. I pay for all my Billy Meier books and videos. How dare you paint me a freeloader? I could care less what money you get. I will buy the books and DVDs if they are easy to purchase. I am a fan. If they are not easy to purchase, I will not buy them. If you are so concerned that the English speakers are starving from lack of material, why are you not spending all available time translating stuff to save people from lack of knowledge. Get to work sparky! The simple answer is that you should do what you want to do. Translate or don’t translate. Either way, people can study what is already available or do their own translations. The great-all-powerful double D ******* is not the only person trying to make Earth a better place for all.
NOTE: I have taken the liberty to remove a couple of ad hominems. It isn’t the so-called disputational stuff that won’t be accepted…obviously. I just don’t want to post any personal attacks, as opposed to criticism of points of view, etc.
MH
Michael,
They were not ad hominems. That language was used for humor and entertainment purposes. It was funny. It is not like I called Double D a fat human being. I called his posts fat. To be balanced, DD can be phat at times with his cool translations; but mostly in my opinion he likes to throw his weight around to make sure that there is no room for his neighbors to be heard. And since most Figu people see mr D as some sort of celebrity or hero or knowledgeable one, and people still have a hard time seeing the truth, the great-all-powerful one is believed by default. I hope mr D, and followers and skeptics, are having fun with this. I sure am! Cheers!
Gimme a break Anthony.
I’m just this GUY, right?
And you and I have very different ideas about how to have fun. Please let’s maintain the high ground, OK? Brothers? I think your naked antagonism towards me is really misplaced. Please just stop reading my posts here if they make you so angry, or jealous, or offended, or whatever it is you are.
Billy says, “Speak little. Write much.” And he’s a really smart man so I simply try to take his good advice.
I know that one of my many weaknesses is that I’m insufficiently succinct for a lot of people here, but I’m trying hard to improve. It isn’t easy for me, given that I spend so much of my time ploughing through the notorious “thousands and thousands of pages of untranslated (and unindexed) texts from Billy” who, as you’d know, has written dozens of thick explanatory books. If I’m fat, that would make him morbidly obese. (If anything, I’m actually too lean, physically.) If it WERE possible to adequately convey Billy’s voluminous information more concisely, I’m sure BILLY would be the one person in the world smart enough to figure out how to do it, but HE just keeps writing more and more and more and more! Ask yourself why.
And if you think that THIS assertion of yours is true, you COULDN’T be more WRONG! “And since most Figu people see mr D as some sort of celebrity or hero or knowledgeable one, and people still have a hard time seeing the truth, the great-all-powerful one is believed by default.”
What a joke! I scold people all the time NOT to just believe. I’ve never been a FIGU person (who signs a loyalty oath) largely because, IMO, most FIGU people seem to have a dogmatic/religious attitude and seem to see me as some sort of loose-cannon heretic who dares (to actually take the Prophet’s teachings to heart and) publicly question the Holy Sacred Scriptures of our Blessed Saint Eduard. I was even informed in writing by one Core Group member that I (!!) was personally primarily responsible for the ongoing difficulties which the (now sacked) most recent (of FOUR!) FIGUUSA groups was experiencing, simply because I translated Ptaah’s “Jim Jones situation” remark about them from the contact conversations and publicly called for an enquiry (on their English language forum) as to what in the WORLD was going ON in the USA to prompt Ptaah to publicly say such a serious and inflammatory thing, and how we could help our American friends overcome the difficulties they’ve always had forming a FIGU group for the last several decades. (I mean, WHAT is the problem with the UK & USA? Why must tiny Canada and Australia do all the English-language heavy FIGU lifting?)
In case you weren’t around in 1978, or aren’t a student of history, Jim Jones seems to have been another one of these CIA zombies Billy told us about.
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/jonestown.htm
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/meier.p14-19.s30.htm
First you demanded of me that I, “Go translate something or offer ALL your English translations to the USA market, will you?” So I naturally enough took it to mean that you wanted me to offer the ONLY thing (Might of the Thoughts) that wasn’t already absolutely free of charge on line.
Then you wrote, “Or you intentionally spin things to harm what a person is trying to say. I never said I wanted a FREE BOOK you maroon. I pay for all my Billy Meier books and videos. How dare you paint me a freeloader? I could care less what money you get. I will buy the books and DVDs if they are easy to purchase. I am a fan. If they are not easy to purchase, I will not buy them.”
Well that says a lot. How difficult IS it for you to buy this book? Am I wrong in thinking that you are from the USA? If so, I’ll try to make it even easier for you, Anthony.
Click here, then try to follow the prompts: https://www.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_flow&SESSION=Vbrpj7onw8T-y8QiW8nwwqt2MjU8X0sw8IF-EAp-Ht8V5F5euJ0kbr6pM0e&dispatch=50a222a57771920b6a3d7b606239e4d529b525e0b7e69bf0224adecfb0124e9b61f737ba21b081986471f9b93cfa01e00b63629be0164db1
If you’re a fellow Oceanian, click here: http://au.figu.org/shop/?product=might-of-the-thoughts-6
If not, go here: https://figu.org/shop/b%C3%BCcher/might-of-the-thoughts
If that’s too hard or too expensive for you, you wouldn’t get anything worthwhile out of it anyway. The renewed teachings are not for the work-shy. “Work is manifested Creation.”
You ask, “If you are so concerned that the English speakers are starving from lack of material, why are you not spending all available time translating stuff to save people from lack of knowledge. Get to work sparky!”
Translating is a little like sprinting at top speed for hours. It’s the hardest intellectual work I’ve ever done. I work in a small team. I don’t decide how much we do every day, they do. If I was in charge (I’m not), we’d do more. I translate other Meier stuff too, which piles up in FLAU’s “in” basket or gets knocked back by their democratic vote. But it’s simply impossible to translate all the time without a break, the same way that it’s simply impossible to sprint at top speed all the time without a break. So I come here to Michael’s blog in my free time to try to defend the beleaguered truth, in a very hostile environment to it, where folks like you, who haven’t read the material, and don’t know what it is, have decided that you don’t have to know what it is, because you already know enough, (you don’t) and then trash me for trying to correct you. This is good exercise for me, and serves those who ARE sincere in their desire to learn the truth, as well as giving me a break from all the damned deutsch/Figuese. Are you with me, Anthony? (assuming you’re still reading) And you’re a terrific source of Dorothy Dixers, which is my main fodder here, if you haven’t gathered that already.
People here, who believe/think/feel/assume/whatever that I’m merely addressing my immediate questioner, are not up to speed at all with reality. I’m not even necessarily writing for the here and now, but for those who someday, in the next 800 years, have the wherewithal to make use of it, and that’s usually not the individual being personally addressed. Valuable information on the net is hard to kill, particularly Billy’s.
You write, “he (Dyson) likes to throw his weight around to make sure that there is no room for his neighbors to be heard.” Now correct me if I’m wrong, but does Michael have some sort of limited allocation for his popular blog comments webpage, whereby a number of long posts of, for instance, simply pasted-in translations from one of the other active contributors who likes to do that, means that YOU can’t contribute all you have to say – even your gratuitous personal attacks “used for humor and entertainment purposes”? As far as I know, I’m the only person Michael’s ever dumped for writing a single response (to several attackers) which he told me was “too long”.
I hope that’s addressed you concerns about me.
Peace to you, Anthony.
NOTE to MODERATOR:
Thanks for moderating down Anthony’s most recent acid attacks, Michael. And thanks again for the venue. I hope you sell heaps of this new video and I look forward to watching it as soon as possible. I also look forward your promised NEXT one this year, whenever that might surface. Keep ‘em coming! As you know, I’ve got (almost?) all your DVDs and – like Billy’s books – they need revisiting again and again to get out of them all they contain. I especially appreciate the “Silent Revolution of Truth” (terrific translation!) and the DVDs of the 15th, 16th and 17th Annual International UFO Congress, where Wendelle Stevens talks about Billy watching the pope being killed and Billy’s son shows us things like the coin Billy melted with his mind and miraculous examples of his sharpshooting. Great stuff! Are these DVDs still for sale? And sorry (again!) for taking up so much space here. If you want, I can stick my responses up into the cloud like I did before. Just let me know. Cheers!
I’m sorry…what was the question?
Yeah, what was the question? and the point? The whole fat post thing was to get you to be short and concise instead of carrying on for paragraphs after paragraphs. That is all. I know you see me as a misfit or something. To be honest I’m just some nobody Billy Meier consumer who is stoked about the new film and books, AND get to wrap with some of the big wigs on line. And look at all this attention you are giving me. Pages and pages. Can I get your autograph after this is all over? How about a book? I’ve tried to buy “MOT” for months now and MH has been sold out. We have discussed the situation and I’m being patient. I’m sorry about the Nutrition book mistake. I now understand it is the Canadians who translated that and are now offering Meier’s “Diet and Nutrition” on their site. I have asked TheyFly store to get it, but they do not have it. I made the mistake of thinking the “Nutrition” book was from Australia and your website. My bad.
You would think such a busy person like yourself, with all the translations to be done to save the starving, you could hardly find the time to write all us Billy Meier consumers such fat posts, that could be leaned down to save reading and the moderators time, not to mention space in cyberspace? Stop slandering me as “angry, or jealous, or offended, or whatever” because the fact of the matter is, I’m just some nobody with time on his hands for the moment that is getting off fking with a Billy Meier big wig.
Anthony,
You write, “…the fact of the matter is, I’m just some nobody with time on his hands for the moment that is getting off fking with a Billy Meier big wig.”
Thanks for the honesty.
Probably goes without saying, but–if it wasn’t already crystal clear–we all now know who’s the one wasting everybody’s time.
Andy, the whole “fking with the big wig” thing was a joke. The truth is that I am a sincere and hardworking student. With all the seriousness, and the overly serious people, involved with the Meier material, I only wanted to shed some comic relief. If you have been paying attention you will notice that in between “great-all-powerful” and “Sparky” I have discussed some rather serious points. The main point I’m trying to convey is that you do NOT have to be a German saucer scientist to grasp the spirit teaching. Anybody, at any intelligence level, can apply the teachings and become a spiritual person. Being self responsible, avoiding religion (subservience & belief), trying to grasp Creation, the law of love, thinking about your life, controlling your thoughts, etc., is all that it takes to build a spiritual life… day by day, year by year, lifetime by lifetime.
PEACE everybody! Yeah even you Double DD big-wig dude! Cheers!!!
There was a man from the USA that did a tremendous amount of translating that went by the name of Benjamin Stevens. He didn’t identify himself with some country or group, but just kept quietly translating the material, and then fortunately sharing it with others.
I’m stating the above because if Benjamin is still around and reading some of the comments, I want him to know that his efforts are not forgotten and are still very much appreciated.
Fukushima is to be a cover up, the Japanese parliament passed a new law that any reporting of the event will be reprimanded with prison sentence. The USA is interested in adopting that law too. Meanwhile back at the nuclear ranch…Japan wants to play a game called show and tell by spending billions on cleaning up space junk instead. So compare this to the same mistake of the Apollo 11 propaganda. The best parts of these mistakes are they simply are very crude forms of making a living.
On a cheerful mood, I think we as a planet Earth should consider using our own free energy wills to unite as a whole humanity and sit down before its too late and create a new logical way of using our natural resources and talk seriously on the topic of stop procreating offspring for our survival on Earth. Earth is a space ship.