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The Billy Meier UFO contacts singularly authentic ongoing for 80 years the key to our future survival

And Did They Listen?

The new film on the Billy Meier case And Did They Listen? has just been released.

It’s a very different approach than any of my previous films. It’s a look back at the present time on Earth – from the future – when we had access to all of the authenticated evidence of Meier’s 70+ years of contacts with the Plejaren.

What we do with this information now will largely determine what’s to come. With humanity offered a chance to rewrite our future history, the only question is…
And Did They Listen?

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Dave

“Billy of all people is quite capable of discussion without berating people.” I’m sure you are correct about that” is what you wrote and yet Billy states “star-readers in relation to their horoscopy-drivel” also This is separate from the fact that each human being, who turns to such frauds and charlatans, has to pay immense sums of money to them, and this only for lies and deception. And the fact is that human beings who put themselves into the clutches of alleged clairvoyants, star-readers and fortune-tellers, on the one hand are labile and on the other are incapable of making right decisions themselves and also taking responsibility for them”.
This is from “Fortune-telling, Star-reading, ‘Clairvoyance’ and Self-fulfilment by by Billy and translated by Adam Dei Rocini.
There are further extracts which in my opinion would suggest to me that Billy is berating people in the context of you using the word” Berating”
When we write something like I have now you don’t know me or anything about me you may assume I’m smug or intelligent even a know- all but it doesn’t matter to me.
Dyson may appear smug a “smart arse” and yes he does translations and yes he has access to more of the work Billy has done it doesn’t make him a superior to any of us but if I was to speak out on the spiritual teaching and needed correcting then I would like someone to correct me and explain to me where I have gone wrong. Dyson does that and for me does it well. Secondly Michael I’m sure you have appeared as a berating smart-arse to some people has much as every one else here so before any of us criticise – Jmmanuel states that I have to take the beam out of my own eye before I remove the splinter from yours.
If any of you guys want to berate me with the spiritual teaching please – please do so because I definitely need it

Best wishes
Regards
Dave

Tony Vasquez - Professional Astrologer

In today’s world you have four forms of Astrology that are incorrect – Tropical, Sidereal, Vedic, and Chinese – and they are incorrect in different ways, even though they all do have some truth within them.

Through many years of research, and 34 years of practice as a professional, I have developed the correct form of Astrology. Unfortunately, I have not put it down in a book yet, hopefully in the very near future, I will. Until then, I am opened to discussing the great science of the Stars, and working within it, with anyone who is interested. But you must realize, a good understanding of it would take many years of investigation and study.

Below are a few references to Astrology in the Meier material, which proves that the Ps consider it a great science, and necessary information for the correct life.

“There are virtually never any incompatible couples due to the use of advanced astrology and other social sciences.
Thus there are virtually never any divorces on Erra and furthermore, all childrens’ well-being is guaranteed.”

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Erra

Dyson Devine

Wow.

There’s some REALLY jarring non sequiturs trying to be foisted off onto those of us here who DON’T DOUBT that Tony is telling the truth – which he also purports to “PROVE” TO us here.

This is not a personal attack on the man. This is a simple defence of the truth.
“Non sequitur (Latin for “it does not follow”), in formal logic, is an argument in which its conclusion does not follow from its premises. In a non sequitur, the conclusion could be either true or false, but the argument is fallacious because there is a disconnection between the premise and the conclusion. All invalid arguments are special cases of non sequitur. The term has special applicability in law, having a formal legal definition. Many types of known non sequitur argument forms have been classified into many different types of logical fallacies.” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non_sequitur_(logic)

Buyer beware! False advertising! If it weren’t already bad enough for “Tony Vasquez Professional Astrologer” (he has a degree?) to have permission to peddle his demonstrably criminally fraudulent codswallop here on an official Meier-related public forum (!), it’s far far worse that he now also misrepresents it as being endorsed by Meier and the Plejaren Federation.

I can’t swallow that. I feel guilt by simple association.

I might add that Billy teaches that the only justification for anger, is in response to someone deliberately trying to keep the truth from those who come to seek it in honesty. Think: Jmmanuel and the money-changers.

Before we examine Tony’s latest claims and have a peek at the quality of his future “prediction” he’s made here for his prospective clientele (intended victims), let’s briefly examine the quality of his selected “predictions” for 2013. It’s pretty easy. Just ignore Stuart’s logical assessment if you like, and make up your own mind, please.
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http://pseudoastro.wordpress.com/tag/tony-vasquez/

Tony Vasquez — 1 partial hit || 3 can’t judge || 9 misses

These are all quotes from Michael’s e-mail to me on July 4, 2012. There were several different parts of it that I drew from to put these together. I included nearly everything written, with a few things left out that were preamble or more things simply too vague to judge.

1. “The U.S. presidential election turns out to be the dirtiest and most scandalous election ever.”
MISS
2. “Obama wins by a landslide.”
MISS — Obama won by less than he did the first time, hardly a landslide.
3. “I still see some kind of major controversy/scandal about Romney and it will completely jeopardize his chances at the presidency.”
MISS. Yes, he said some stupid things, but no one considers this a “major controversy/scandal.”
4. “I refer back to my previous predictions, and during this year’s astrological work, I continue to have no doubt that major chaos and destruction come from Iran, and to Iran.”
MISS
5. “I also believe that either Iran or Israel will be hit in a major way, possible hit by each other. This may not occur until late 2012, but July also looks like a possible time.”
PARTIAL HIT — One could consider the Israeli-Gaza conflict of November 2012 as the hit for this, but I consider it partial because (a) it was November and (b) Iran was not involved – at least not directly/obviously/admittedly.
6. “I believe Iran will also endure an attack from the U.S.”
Impossible to Verify with Present Info
7. “Also, as much as they are going to try and tell us Iran does not have a nuke or that they took out their nuke it will not be true.”
Impossible to Verify with Present Info
8. “I see lots of major issues in the way of electrical power blackouts in 2012. There will be so many issues with power world wide, with huge black outs that last months even years. More black outs and rolling black outs then ever. Some very odd and completely un-explained by scientists.”
MISS
9. “I still see major issues with the severe heat in many places. Temps could reach 130, even 140, this will also have a major effect on the power plants. July and August will be some of the worst times for this. The blame will partially be on sun solar storms that produces record breaking heat.”
MISS
10. “I do see 8+ earthquakes/tsunamis(3) hitting Japan and one 8+ hitting India – huge disasters with cities leveled.”
MISS
11. “Major “Events” in July and August will set off a chain reaction that will run right through 2014.”
TOO VAGUE
12. “I also see the Pope dying this year – the last pope then elected. Sept.-Nov. period for this.”
MISS
13. “July will be a very busy month for the world and a time when the planet’s energy shift goes into overdrive, which in turn will also launch a major volcanic eruption, one of the largest we have ever seen, as well as major quakes around the world. … I’m pretty sure there will be a major volcanic eruption – one of the largest ever – in July-August.”
MISS
Conclusions
A sum total of 1 partial hit, 6 too vague to judge, and 11 misses for a hit rate of around 4% and a too vague rate of 33%.

Tony writes, “Below are a few references to Astrology in the Meier material, which PROVES that the Ps consider IT [theirs, not ours!] a great science, and necessary INFORMATION for the correct life. [my caps] ‘There are virtually never any incompatible couples due to the use of advanced astrology and other social sciences. Thus there are virtually never any divorces on Erra and furthermore, all childrens’ well-being is guaranteed’”.

(Billy) “Since time immemorial, wanting to prove something to someone has been the wrong way, therefore it should never be declared that now something or other will be proven.” “Know-it-alls, mischief-makers, critics and antagonists are not conscious of the actual facts of the argument, because, due to their own intellectual inadequacies, and as a consequence of their clueless nature, they negate principally everything which is necessary for a demonstration, indeed they are not at all conscious of the prerequisites which belong to a presentation of evidence. Poor little idiots want to offset their stupidity, their lack of recognition, lack of wisdom and deficient honesty with dishonest attacks and defamations in order to thereby iron out their damaged or weak image and their underdeveloped intelligence. Truly, an effective presentation of evidence through reason and understanding is an enormous challenge that arouses all know-it-alls, antagonists, critics and eternal mischief-makers to opposition, who are the humans who already want to strike back before they have begun with their vicious, antagonistic, defamatory, mischievous, mendacious and critical attacks.”

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/meier.sdw142.DerfalscheWeg.htm

Find your own proof.

The Plejaren consider THEIR “ADVANCED” astrology, ALONG WITH THEIR “OTHER SOCIAL [not “great”] SCIENCES” useful, of course, but Arahat Athersata (in one of only two translated excerpts ever published) explains that the occult “secret sciences” on EARTH (which, is after all, the planet that we live on – well, most of us here anyway) are every bit as dangerously corrupt as the Bafath’s other crowning achievement, RELIGION. And we all know how harmless THAT is, don’t we?

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/meier.aa.p132-4,149-50.htm

So the Plejaren (true) science of their “advanced astrology” is comparable to our Earth-humanoid occult pseudoscience “astrology”, in exactly the same way that Nonkodemion’s Teachings of the Truth, Life and Spirit are comparable to the Bafath’s vile and deadly RELIGIONS. Terrific. That explains Tony’s (in)accuracy.
I mean – this is silly. Extending ANY comparisons between the Errans and us “Terrans” just very quickly becomes a form of embarrassing and depressing self-punishment.

And the “spiritually-thinking” (identifying with their “spirit-form” instead of their current incarnation) Plejaren “advanced social sciences” applied to their domestic matchmaking includes factors like all the prospective marriage partners having to be trained for 70 YEARS, and undertaking all sorts of years-long trials and tests before they’re finally judged compatible and allowed to tie the knot. All these pivotal facts are lightly brushed aside by the thin-skinned astrology salesman in our midst. These are inconceivably highly advance extraterrestrials Tony is comparing us to, and we’re all inconceivably highly un-advanced terrestrials here, so primitive that we’re not even considered fully HUMAN.

Such audacity. Such temerity. Doesn’t he realise that now, when you do a google search of his name – a very common practice for people these days before they part with their hard-earned money – they’ll only end up here? Career suicide. Especially when his assertions here are so nakedly, humiliatingly ridiculous. And he “will not tolerate ridicule”.

And he refuses to respond, knowing that that’s the only possible successful strategy.

Again, here’s my 64kb rejected (due to length) contribution written exactly a month ago, in which I tried my best to define the nature of this problem.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5UahMPJ8Tc1b0tReC1DdVRlTmM/edit?usp=sharing

“Through many years of research, and 34 years of practice as a professional, I have developed the correct form of Astrology.”

So he says.

Like you predict the death of a 92 (ninety-two!) year old man (Prince Philip of the U.K.), in rapidly failing health, with an (understandable!) recent history of accelerating non-elective serious hospitalisations and, as recently as a few months ago, after rumours of cancer in the U.K. tabloid press denied by the Palace, he undergoes exploratory abdominal surgery(!) – they don’t do THAT sort of major general-aesthetic procedure on a man in his NINETIES lightly – and then just sew him back up and send him home. Um.

I didn’t have to work in hospital administration, in my 20’s when I developed an interest in medicine, to know what THAT means, and be aware of the blindingly obvious fact that predicting death by cancer in 12 months is a ridiculously simple probability calculation – if you can call “1+1=2” a “calculation”. Just out of interest, I looked up the actuarial tables for the chance of death of a HEALTHY man approaching his mid-nineties. Go do it yourself. Survival chances for a year are in the single figure percentage range. What a bold prediction. And read up on Larry King’s tragic medical history of congenital heart disease where his father died in his forties.

This is a very stupid sucker’s game. Sadly, the world has more than enough very stupid suckers to support their greedy predators lavishly. And you’d have to be REALLY very stupid to believe THAT’S not true.

But the real, tragic victims of this fraud are not folks like us, they’re those innocent and trusting souls who come here to read – never to contribute – to Michael’s blog because he officially represents Billy Meier’s teaching to the entire miserably gullible English-speaking world, and they are the ones who shell out their hard-earned cash to Tony for his dangerously inaccurate Earth “astrology” Billy unambiguously warns us is simply toxic waste. They’re the ones that have a right, endowed on them by Creation, that they be protected by those of us who may be able to try to do so.

That’s all I’m doing. This is not “unloving”.

Excerpt from the first draft of How to Live (Die Art zu Leben) by BEAM.

121) “Ein wahrheitlicher Mensch hilft und gibt den Bedürftigen, doch er hilft nicht den Wohlstand der Reichen zu vermehren.”

(A true human being helps and gives to the needy, but he/she does not help to increase the prosperity of the rich.)

Salome.

Dyson Devine

I made another mistake, above. Sorry.

When I wrote, “(in one of only two translated excerpts ever published)”, I meant to write, “in one of only FEW translated excerpts ever published”.

I apologise for my error of fact.

Dyson

Philip Brandel

Very nicely said Dyson…. once again!

I am glad Michael has opened a different thread for this “astrology”.
Personally speaking! I Hope it stays there..

Dyson Devine

Dear Dave,

As ever, a very trenchant find from Billy and pertinent (to the thread) input from you too. And of course thanks for your kind words. You “get it”.

🙂

“Ding, ding, ding!”

“Whatever could that be?!”, I hear you cry.

Why, that’s just the “English Language Problem Alarm” going off again. Thanks goodness. An easy one for a change.

BERATE

bɪˈreɪt

verb
1.
scold or criticize (someone) ANGRILY. [my caps]
“she berated herself for being fickle”
synonyms: rebuke, reprimand, reproach, reprove, admonish, remonstrate with, chastise, chide, upbraid, take to task, pull up, castigate, lambaste, read someone the Riot Act, give someone a piece of one’s mind, go on at, haul over the coals, criticize, censure”

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=berate&oq=berate&aqs=chrome..69i57j69i65j0l4.4364j0j4&sourceid=chrome&espv=210&es_sm=122&ie=UTF-8

By definition, if you’re not angry, it not a “REBUKE”. And Billy (and even I, for that matter – it’s not that hard) don’t correct people (rebuke) in anger. Sometimes the rafters might ring, and, ideally, there’s never an iota of humility (submissiveness), and the correct rebuke/reproach is invariably just, loving and utterly PITILESS, but never angry. And thank goodness for that! If we were all angry, it would only be a matter of time before we were showing up on each other’s doorsteps and punching each other’s lights out! Or doing drive-bys.

Anger, like rape, is atavistic. We MUST learn our way beyond it. It’s high time.

The ONLY future available to us is a peaceful one.

Onya, Dave! Keep ’em coming! (And thanks to Adam for his hard work.)

Solidarity.

Dyson Devine

Yet ANOTHER cock-up. So sorry.

(Sigh)

When, for some stupid reason, I wrote, above, “By definition, if you’re not angry, it [sic.] not a ‘REBUKE’” ‘, what I MEANT to write was, “By definition, if you’re not angry, it’s not “BERATING”.

I blame society. (joke)

Cheers!

Dyson Devine

Oh dear. I hope nobody’s listening.

AND when I then went onto write, “don’t correct people (rebuke) in anger”, of course what I tried to write was “don’t correct people (berate) in anger”

A thousand grovelling apologies, as usual, but it’s not my fault because the devil made me do it. I actually READ it this time, and I think it’s OK now.

doirecity

Hi Dyson.

Yes I was reaching out in hope I could get some advanced education.

I had no intention of sending any death threats. Although I’ll admit, I could see why you get them lol. Just kidding.

I’ll keep plugging away with what I have and try to learn German when I can. I have two young girls, who are already learning about creation and with some hope we might have a few more translators in the near future of this wonderful life giving material.

I had to bust your chops a little earlier mainly because I lack your perspective, understanding and frustration with trying to correct misunderstood work from Billy. You’ll likely continue to come across our cafeteria knowledge, but I’m sure you’ll figure out a way to modestly impart the truth with the love. Let’s be honest though we can all be stubborn and can find it hard to be corrected.

I think we’re all a little frustrated though. Lifes certainly not easy and it doesn’t get easier when we realize our child like knowledge being exposed when we read and contemplate the material from Billy. At least that how I feel sometimes. But I take it with open arms. Bring it on baby!!!!

Keep on fighting a good fight mo chara

Dyson Devine

Thanks, doirecity.

Now I’m really confused. Even more than usual.

You wrote, “I had to bust your chops a little earlier”.

You did? Not that I noticed, what do you mean, exactly? We must not share the same slang. And if it happened more than a day or so ago you may have simply gotten lost to my view in the punchy mosh pit here.

Or I Did not Listen.

You told me, “I was reaching out in hope I could get some advanced education.” That’s great! That’s why I’m here, my friend! You can get most of the really basic Meier stuff from things already translated, but I need to keep sharp with advanced questions.

Just ask away! I’ll do my best, but – as you see – I’m often wrong, so you can’t just believe me. It’s like I can help point you in directions, and if you can’t find what I’m pointing at, then no harm done, we’ll try again. But don’t swallow anything. The sheer volume of texts is like trying to surf in 100m breakers (full of sharks), and it’s not only hard to rely on memory, the texts themselves are also sometimes changed without notice. We once tried to do a translation (from an archived hard copy) about crop-circles and then discovered that FIGU had changed their copy on line. THAT is confusing. It must be like when you lose your mind, until you work it out. I know of one other case in a contact conversation that I’m not telling anyone about because I reckon there were good reasons for it, and I want to know how many more years it is before it’s spotted by anyone.

Y’know the funny thing about Billy’s teachings, which I’ve studied for a decade, is – they actually WORK – unlike anything I’ve ever experienced before, because we’re all just so indoctrinated to believe that our pathetic existence is the will of “God” and we cannot ever change. It’s just such a load of manure. Of course there’s nothing like having to translate one of Billy’s books if you want to explore every idea of his thoroughly, and after working on one book for more than a year those ideas tend to stick. They go into you and stay there if you want them to. And things like getting irritated when you’ve made an honest mistake just fade away, and mistakes are actually welcomed as a positive learning experience. True. And eventually, even the really big life-mistakes that you can never go back and re-do are appreciated for the spiritual evolution they spur on, in spite of all the pain and tears.

You’ve got a winner’s attitude, doirecity, seeing my love in Billy’s often harsh truth, and embracing the uncertain future with enthusiastically opened arms. Your daughters are very fortunate.

And more translations are under way all the time. The President of FIGU Landesgruppe Australia, Inc. just told me this morning that the 2nd (improved and corrected) edition of Might of the Thoughts is now with the printers, Billy keeps asking for more boxes of them, everybody’s sold out of the first run, and the next should start getting shipped out in “weeks, not months”. Ho ho! Hee hee! The cat’s out of the bag, at last!

Gach an chuid is fearr!

Tony Vasquez - Professional Astrologer

I would like to hear opinions of the following text.

From An Introduction To The Spirit Teaching:

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/An_Introduction_To_The_Spirit_Teaching

By Arahat Athersata:

English German
1. The terrestrial human race is entering and witnessing a phase of very powerful cosmic change. It is a new era, a new age (the Age of Aquarius), which continually and distinctly becomes clearer to the eyes of observant, consciously more advanced human beings.

1. Das irdische Menschengeschlecht ist in ein Stadium einer Zeugenschaft eines gewaltigen kosmischen Umbruches getreten; in ein neues Zeitalter, das sich vor den sehenden Augen denkender Menschen immer klarer und deutlicher abzeichnet.

2. While most of mankind here on Earth lies in a deep abyss of ignorance and of consciousness’ enslavement, it has become an urgent necessity, through thorough investigations, to find the causes of mankind’s decline, and to demonstrate this to human beings in a correct, clear, and revealing message and lesson.

2. Nichtsdestoweniger aber liegt das Gros dieser Menschheit im Abgrund der Unwissenheit und Bewusstseinversklavung, so es notwendig geworden ist, den Ursachen ihres Abstieges auf den Grund zu gehen und ihr dies in einer Botschaft darzutun.

3. Simultaneously, it necessitates showing new ways, which would guide mankind toward a future of conscious comprehension and harmony.

3. Gleichbedingt ist es aber auch erforderlich, neue Wege zu weisen, die in eine geistverstehende und bewusstsein- sowie geistharmonierende Zukunft führen.

4. It is now time, therefore, for the Earthling to open his eyes and ears and detach his enslaved thoughts from false teachings, to free himself from traditional falsehoods and all evil, and to finally comprehend everything according to the truth.”

4. Der Erdenmensch öffne daher seine Augen und Ohren, er reisse seine versklavten Gedanken von allen Irrlehren, Unwahrheiten und von allen Übel; er öffne seine Bewusstseinsinne zur Erkennung der Wahrheit.

Dyson Devine

Don’t try to change the subject, Tony.

Dave

Astrology on Earth at this time according to Billy is performed here is just a pseudo-science. The “P,s” have a high regard for Astrology however they are thousands of years more advanced than us and of course if it’s relevant mention it they would do so but we can’t compare there science to our understanding of Astrology. We have or have we not been advised not to take astrology here on Earth at this time seriously.

regards
Dave

Duke

Well, it goes without saying folks should not hide their light under a bushel. If they have the answer to some really profound things, like the correct number to pi, then they SHOULD do their human duty to teach us all. We all want to move forward into the future here I imagine. We can leave the old astrology in the dust bin of history.

I think we agree, the past is over.
-George W. Bush

http://www.snopes.com/politics/bush/piehigher.asp

Tony Vasquez - Professional Astrologer

Astrology is a science, and all sciences will advance. I have advanced it into its correct form. Yes, I can prove that. I have posted some predictions on this blog, in that regard. We’ll see how accurate I am.

As I said, I am opened to discussing the great science of the Stars, and working within it, with anyone who is interested. But you must realize, a good understanding of it would take many years of investigation and study.

Dyson Devine

Tony, you’ve got me VERY interested in your work now.

I don’t buy your, “It’s too complex” augment for a minute. Try us. Michael has invited you to do so. Got for it. Do you doubt yourself?

I asked you a LOT of very polite and sincere questions and you continually simply refuse to answer any of them, pretending instead that I’m not here, presumably believing that if you stonewall long enough I’ll get tired and go away.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5UahMPJ8Tc1b0tReC1DdVRlTmM/edit?usp=sharing

(You don’t know me, my brother. I don’t behave that way. It just sharpens my resolve to try to lovingly bring you to account. And you WILL be brought to account eventually, if not by my efforts here, then simply though the way Creation behaves. You’d better pray that I reach you first.) And if I asked why you refuse to acknowledge me, you’d ignore that question too, probably because you wrongly believe that I don’t respect you.

You’d be dead wrong if you believed that. Billy teaches that under no circumstances should bad things (dangerous things for example) be afford ANY less respect than good things, for obvious reasons, if you think about it. Geisteslehre students have to spend something like two YEARS studying, in exquisite detail, stupid hoaxed “ancient scriptures” that the Gnostics are enthralled by, simply because you have to know what you oppose in order to properly oppose it.

But why must we wait to see how accurate you are in 2014, for your “predictions” for 2015? You’ll just do some more hand-waving, pull more out of your top hat for 2016, and tell us to wait and see. Thanks to Michael and Stuart – we already know how wrong you were in 2012 about 2013.

http://pseudoastro.wordpress.com/tag/tony-vasquez/

On the Internet, you have no place to hide and, of course, no-one can hear you scream.

Salome.

Dave

Tony
In your opinion why does Billy state that Astrologers are Charlatans and Deceivers therefore how do you feel to be called a Charlatan/Deceiver?
I would be very interested in your answer.

regards

Dave

Tony Vasquez - Professional Astrologer

You are misunderstanding. Read all of my posts, if you truly would like to understand. Until you do that, I will not respond to you again.

Duke

I’m sorry, I must have read this with virtually anyone with the slightest disagreement or miscommunication with you ends up being on the ‘not respond’ list. Are you expecting to find Fair Weathered friends or something?

Dyson Devine

True, MH.

And if all you have is nails, you’ll look for a hammer.

Cheers!

Tony Vasquez - Professional Astrologer

That was great. That was beautiful.

Tony Vasquez - Professional Astrologer

And Dyson has more “important corrections” coming, including a few related to incorrect comments about me and Astrology, which are nothing more than disrespectful, antagonistic, absurd drivel, and closed-minded stupidity. (Billy killed dozens of people – I had a good laugh when I read that one!)

This blog is not about Astrology, even though I was saying that Astrology, as used by the Ps on ERRA, would help people LISTEN to TRUTH.
So, I will keep this short, even though I could write pages on this matter.

Since the Ps use Astrology throughout their society on ERRA, this proves that it is a very important science to them, and they are correct. In my career, every person, including skeptical astronomers, that has done a serious study of Astrology, has come away convinced of it validity and great value. But one must study and use it to reach that conclusion.

People like Dyson remind me of Catholics and other religious idiots, who believe what the “Pope”, “priests”, and “ministers” say about Astrology, that it is false and evil. Yet, I’m sure most/all of them have never studied it seriously. Again, Astrology must be studied seriously, and with an open mind, in order to realize its validity, much like the Meier material.

Michael, I have been accurate with you, and people that you know, using it. Not 100% accurate, but still accurate enough. I’m sure that is one reason that you allow me to discuss the subject here on your blog. I thank you for being open-minded towards all truth.

There are many branches of Astrology, and Predictive Astrology is the one branch that takes much work, and is still a work in progress. But it is coming along nicely. I’m sure my accuracy rate will improve as the years go by and better computer technology becomes available to me.

As I said, everything Dyson (and others) has said related to me, especially concerning Astrology, has been incorrect and absurd closed-minded nonsense. That is why I refuse to converse with him any longer. I have learned in my career, that when someone is as closed-minded as he is towards me and/or Astrology, that it is a waste of my very precious time to continue with that person. I will not waste my time with anyone about anything. I only desire to converse with spiritually-minded, open-minded individuals, where true intellectual progress can be made. However, I do know that anyone can learn and change. So, we will see what happens.

Also, as I said, I will not tolerate ridicule or unwarranted doubt and skepticism. My intent is to always have peaceful intelligent discussions with people who have open minds, are interested, and are willing to learn. The rest can stay away from me. I will not participate in their absurd fantasy and stubborn stupidity.

Thank you.

Duke

What do you mean by others? Were the questions I posed to you that hard to answer? I never commented about YOUR Astrology as you not once have actually explained it. Sure, there are references here or there to the Plejaran’s words here or there but it’s not explaining YOUR Astrology.

Let’s be clear about the communication here. We’re discussion your claims strictly. Once again, not literally YOUR Astrology because you haven’t actually begin to explain anything, just the claims around it. That’s as far as we have gotten.

I’m happy you mentioned Astronomers because Axial Precession, what you termed as ‘Precession of the Equinoxes’, is not something that takes years or decades of research to figure out. 20 minutes of light reading:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axial_precession

Though obviously as we’re talking about measurements and circles being drawn in space, I’m sure you are ready to teach us all about your corrected calculations and how you derived pi properly or even imperfectly. At least it would be something.

We seek proof here like and not expect to be zapped by asking questions over doubts about claims.

What does god need with a starship?! (You see how this looks?)

Dyson Devine

Thanks for the important correction, Michael and Christian. That’s not the first time there’s been a denial from FIGU after Quetzal’s statement. I unreservedly apologise for being misled, having forgotten about the previous denial made several years ago by Bernadette. It’s hard to keep up with these things. It doesn’t detract from my admiration of Billy.

Dyson

Dyson Devine

Oh, Anthony!

“Too serious”? Me? “Mr. Cheery”? “The Cheeriest Man in the Universe”? I can’t remember ANYONE EVER calling me “too serious” in my entire life. If anything, it’s “not serious enough”. Thank you!

🙂

You write, “I would be ashamed with myself if people called me great-all-powerful. Yet you don’t respond to that title. Instead, it seems this is what YOU get off on.”

You don’t get it at ALL yet, do you?

Don’t you think I’ve been publicly called a lot worse than THAT? I’m ashamed of YOU for using that sort of childish name-calling here on a forum about Billy, but I’d be much more ashamed of MYSELF if I DID ever respond to that title!

But I didn’t manage to live to be 64 by stooping to the level of my many attackers, nor seeking revenge or bearing ill-will.

One of your problems, dear brother, is you confuse the two terms seriousness and solemnity, so when I treat you seriously, which is how you demand (and deserve) to be treated, you say I’m too serious and you’re “just fcking with” me, and when you start to feel a bit too fcked out by you actually fcking yourself as a result of all your public onanation here over the last few month, you write, “The truth is that I am a sincere and hardworking student.” There’s a creational laws which states, “You can’t have it both ways.”

And now you’re gotten “bored”. That’s genuinely funny. Ha ha! <- not the first time I've typed THAT into my posts here, but I can't remember anyone else doing it. I even did it here already, on the same page that you're reading now, in my reply to Andy, here: January 25, 2014 at 2:16 am. Go look.

Farewell, Anthony, and thanks for all the fish!

Cheers!

P.S. I'm guessing that you'd be about 9. Or 8.

Dyson Devine

ARE – YOU – LISTENING – EVERYBODY?!

This is just surreal.

Please listen very carefully and try not to let your mind wander away to less uncomfortable places or switch off. That’s what my mind kept doing. I had to watch this three times. It reminds me of when the CIA was caught smuggling heroin back to the US in the chest cavities of dead Viet Nam veterans. I still can’t handle that. I lost a LOT of buddies.

Only this is a lot worse. Where will it end?

IS EVERYONE ASLEEP?!

🙁

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbGaWSXfbWk

“Nations Largest Cocaine Smuggler Revealed: The Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA)”

Published on Jan 15, 2014

“For decades, it has been rumored the United States government was secretly sponsoring the smuggling of cocaine into the country. Federal officials have long denied such speculation, pointing out the billions of dollars spent intercepting drugs. Newly released documents, and testimony from Justice Department and DEA officials now show the stories of government running cocaine are true.

An investigation conducted in Mexico found the American government allowed that country’s largest drug cartel, Sinaloa, to operate without fear of persecution. That groups is estimated to be responsible for 80 percent of the cocaine coming into the country through Chicago. In exchange, the leaders of Sinaloa provided the DEA information on rival gangs.

The drug cartel working with the federal government is run by . He is considered to be the world’s most powerful drug trafficker. In addition to Chicago, his group also maintains cocaine operations in several major cities around the country.

Written statements were provided to a U.S. District Court in Chicago, confirming the alliance between the DEA and Mexico’s largest cocaine cartel. The written testimony, combined with other evidence, shows DEA officials met with leaders of the Sinaloa cartel more than 50 times between 2000 and 2012. This would mean DEA-authorized drug smuggling goes back to at least the beginning of the George W. Bush administration, and continued for year under Barack Obama.

One of the groups leaders, Vincente Zambada-Niebla, claims the American government also sent military-grade weapons to Sinoloa. According to the latest revelations, it was these weapons which were part of the Fast-and-Furious scandal. Automatic firearms which disappeared during that operation, led by Eric Holder, were used to kill U.S. Border agents.

This latest evidence and testimony points toward a massive scandal, involving both Republican and Democratic administrations. At the very least, this provides the best evidence so far that the Federal government was sponsoring the smuggling of billions of dollars of cocaine into the United States. Worse still, weapons purchased for the U.S. military may have been sent to the cartel, and used to kill American agents.

Those actions transcend any partisan politics.”

Sheila

Good find Dyson. Our CBC did a documentary a few years ago about the exchange of guns for drugs out of Mexico. A young gang member confessing on camera (before he was killed) that the US demands pot and cocaine as they are the most highly used. And don’t forget about the soldiers guarding poppy crops/opium/heroin/morphine in Afghanistan. But aren’t we the hypocrites as my own province had the most poppy crops of all the provinces in Canada during WW2.

Philip Brandel

One more layer to this that a lot of people “believe”, is that these guns would then be turned around and used of course… which would in effect heighten the need for stricter gun control laws in the lower states.(as these drug wars spilled over the border)
Get drugs give guns… give drugs take guns. Dumb us down and take our right to bear arms right along with it.
Glad at least it didn’t work out in that way so well for them! Oh ya whats justin bilabider doing? Dam fellow Americans!

Tony Vasquez - Professional Astrologer

Yes, I am willing to discuss Astrology with any open-minded, non-skeptical, and respectful person on a different blog.

Thank you.

Tony Vasquez - Professional Astrologer

Right, but there is only two ways of substantiating the correct Astrology – 1. Having a reading, (which I will not solicit on this blog), and 2. Studying and working in the subject for years,(I have never had a student in 34 years that understood Astrology well in less than 7 years.

Oh by the way, RECORD COLD TEMPERATURES IN THE USA (one of my predictions) ARE FORECASTED TO HIT SOON.

Predictions are only a small percentage of the way Astrology can be substantiated. Mainly, one proves Astrology to oneself through much study and hard work.

Thank you.

Tony Vasquez - Professional Astrologer

Just for the record – I have never disagreed with Billy on this blog. But, I will vehemently disagree with ANYONE who says that Astrology is a pseudo-science.

Dyson Devine

Thanks, MH. As I said I should have checked for FIGU denials before I related my understandings of Quetzals comments here. As I said, I stand corrected and I’m sorry I made that mistake.

You put in quotes the expression “’spiritual crimes’” in such a way that it makes it look like I’ve said it. I didn’t. I don’t know who you’re quoting, but it wasn’t me. I’ve never used that expression to the best of my recollection.

You contend, “I haven’t seen Tony trying to solicit business here”.

I think anyone who – in light of the renewed teaching’s unambiguous condemnation of it, and the new “predictions” for 2015, provides his business email address, and identifies himself as “Tony Vasquez – Professional Astrologer” 24 times (and counting) on one webpage here (and hundreds of times on prior webpages of yours) is pretty obviously “trying to solicit business here”.

But we’re free to disagree. I wonder how many here would agree with you.

If you want to create a special webpage for “Tony v. Dyson (Billy, Dave, Duke and others)” that’s your call, of course, but it’ll be pretty quiet since Tony refuses to converse with his questioners.

As you can see, Michael, my below response – written just now before you posted the above – to Tony’s ad hominem name-calling directed at Billy and myself is impeccably courteous, sincere and respectful, so I’d be very grateful if you can just see your way clear to posting it here, as a logical defence of BEAM, before you hive us off to another webpage.

Thanks.

Hi again, Tony,

Thanks for engaging. I appreciate it.

You’re perfectly free to disagree with me, of course, and just as free to disagree with Billy and the Plejaren (and the entire scientific community). Nobody wants you to be submissive, nor do we discourage anybody’s freedom of thought. But when you come onto this officially sanctioned Meier-related website here and disagree with the Prophet as stridently and disrespectfully as you do (and in light of your published predictions’ 4% accuracy rate for 2013*) I think it’s only right and reasonable that you also offer us some tangible substantiation for your irate disagreements, at least those you have with Billy and the Plejaren. When I disagree I always provide my reasons, so they can be logically scrutinised by everyone here and I can be shown the errors in my thinking, so I can learn from my mistakes. That’s only common sense and common courtesy, obviously, as well as being consonant with the renewed teachings.

Now I’d just to nail this down for all Michael’s many readers around the world, and for future historians, so there can be no doubt as to what you mean.

You write, “People like Dyson remind me of Catholics and other religious idiots, who believe what the “Pope”, “priests”, and “ministers” say about Astrology, that it is false and evil.”

So, I’m a religious idiot, who believes what Billy and the Plejaren say (about your revenue-raising scheme being “false and evil”). OK. You’re entitled to express you views.

Again, for the record: I’m not now, nor have I ever been, religious. In fact I’ve done lengthy prison time as a result of my “religious vilification”, an action undeniably recorded on the public record for all to see, which should serve to abundantly substantiate my words. (We’re judged by our acts, not our words.) And as I’ve publicly stated, and demonstrated here again and again – I don’t believe Billy. Ever. But I have great confidence in his unparalleled wisdom and integrity, and know him to be right about most things and think him to be right about most of the rest. That’s plenty good enough for me to work with happily, Tony, and Billy’s earned my love and respect for that. The reason that I don’t accept the validity of your terrestrial remunerative star-reading / fortune telling (as opposed to the advanced science of Plejaren astrology – two totally different subjects not to be conflated) isn’t as a result of me believing Billy or anybody else. It lies wholly and solely in my study of it, which I started as a boy, as I described to you here last month.

“But growing up in Massachusetts in the 50’s and 60’s has left me with a much more sceptical view of your activities, and it’s a view publicly shared by Billy. I don’t know if it’s still the case (probably not), but we had a long-standing state LAW against practising professional astrology, along with other forms of remunerative fortune-telling, and so on, because the founding fathers prided themselves on playing a significant part in The Age of Enlightenment, and were very anti-belief and very pro-knowledge, just like Billy is today.”

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5UahMPJ8Tc1b0tReC1DdVRlTmM/edit?usp=sharing

You write, “As I said, everything Dyson (and others) has said related to me, especially concerning Astrology, has been incorrect and absurd closed-minded nonsense.”

Again, this is your belief to which you’re perfectly entitled.

So you’re unambiguously stating, in reinforcement of your previous quote here, that everything Billy has said concerning [terrestrial] star-reading / fortune-telling, which you call “professional astrology”, is “incorrect and absurd closed-minded nonsense”.

Thanks in anticipation.

Salome.

* http://pseudoastro.wordpress.com/tag/tony-vasquez/

Dyson Devine

Dear Michael,

I’m sorry to bother you, but this most recent remark of yours inviting your friend Tony to participate in some more “good ol’ fashioned Dyson thrashing” is not at all in keeping with either the spirit of the re-newed teachings that you promote, nor your stated policy of banning ad hominem attacks here in your blog comments area. Especially in light of the new ones I’ve just been delivered, but Tony, not to mention Anthony.

I know you may say you’re just joking, like Anthony, but it won’t be seen that way, and Billy teaches us to eschew martyrdom. I’m certainly not into S/M. I’m just trying to defend Billy’s teachings, to the very best of my fallible and limited abilities, by trying to accurately convey what I understand in Billy’s texts, to which non-German readers lack access. I really don’t appreciate open invitations soliciting any more “good ol’ fashioned Dyson thrashing” than I already have to defend myself from here, and it only makes my self-appointed task harder. And it really makes me (and my sincere work for the mission) feel very unwelcome here. And, frankly, in the “Tony v. Dyson, Billy et al” fight you’re promoting here, it will make reasonable people – Billy and the Plejaren in particular – start to seriously question which side you’ve got your money on and why.

Just to make it clear, as you know, we’re not taught to “turn the other cheek” (that was “Jesus”). We’re taught that we have a creational obligation to defend ourselves and others. We’re also taught that we don’t “cut down”, with the sword of truth, our fellow human beings – who are to be treated with “ehrfurcht” (reverence)- we cut through lies with it. We don’t attack fellow human beings, we attack (if that’s the right word) the errors and faulty logic of their ideas. I’m sure you’ve played contact sports as I have. In rugby, we call this, “playing the ball and not the man”, and it’s the historical cornerstone of good sportsmanship around the world.

Thanks for listening.

Salome.

Dyson Devine

Sorry. Spellcheck typo alert/bad eyes.

“Especially in light of the new ones I’ve just been delivered, but Tony, not to mention Anthony.”

should be

“Especially in light of the new ones I’ve just been delivered, BY Tony, not to mention Anthony.”

Cheers!

Tony Vasquez - Professional Astrologer

Dyson must be drinking a lot these days, how in the world could he miss that!

Dyson Devine

C’mon, Tony, I’ve had ZERO alcohol or other drugs. I can’t afford to drink, I just get up, work hard outdoors, come in, play my trombone a bit, translate Die Art zu Leben, make my share of typos, etc. here, read my books and go to sleep again. I lead a very simple life with very long hours. I don’t pretend to be perfect. I think you’re really lowering the tone around here for someone who won’t tolerate disrespect, don’t you think?

Dyson Devine

MH:”Now why not take a moment, and some space on this blog (even in numerous sequential posts), to treat that Dyson (of the erroneous, anti-truth information) to a good ol’ fashioned Dyson thrashing?”

This was directed at ME? How do I give MYSELF “a good ol’ fashioned Dyson thrashing?”

Is there a vernacular problem here?

Carlos Ribeiro

Dyson, I think you should not feel unwelcome here because people outside this fight can take advantage of interesting comments, even if personals. How I agree with you regarding Billy is a virtuous and intelligent man but is not the Pope, do not leave us alone with the comments of the “professional astrologer”, their swords against the infidels, the “brainwashed” and other awkward things. I like to know about a more accurate astrology, but I doubt it can come from Tony, as you showed. In any case, he is entitled to defend their ideas, and people are not idiot when disagreed with him, like him states. Let’s see if bears less and take it easy in the coming posts. If the attacks are to be goin on, he must go on Figu website along will the bullyingers; he will feel good there. I will disconsider any imbecilities aggainst us or others oppinions to part of him.

> is not at all in keeping with either the spirit of the re-newed teachings that you promote

Cheers!

Dyson Devine

Thanks for your support Carlos. Very greatly appreciated!

🙂

If/when Michael gives me the boot here, or I think the time has come, he knows I’ll just have to start my own blog elsewhere, so I’ll see you there, and return Michael the the quiet blog he had for all those many months before I started stirring the pot here.

A very dear old friend of mine – a refugee of the blood-drenched Hungarian Revolution who knew when to quit – during one of our customary spirited debates, which he was gradually loosing, once shouted affectionately, “Devine, you’re WEAK!” When I smiled and asked, “In what way?” He memorably replied,”Because YOU NEVER GIVE UP!”

It IS one of my many weaknesses, I admit.

Even Ptaah suggested that I ran the risk of demonstrating “fanatical tendencies”, but all the establishment shrinks who’ve gotten their claws on me over the years (I’ve been a whistleblower since 1984) had to agree that I was quite sane. One even told me, “Dyson, you’re the sanest man he’s ever met”.

Of course there’s not a lot of competition here on Planet Suicide.

I refer to those weird episodes here:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5UahMPJ8Tc1b0tReC1DdVRlTmM/edit?usp=sharing

Thanks again, Carlos. Be well.

Cheers!

Dyson Devine

And probably the most careless.

This is getting to be a bad habit. Sorry. At least I give Tony SOME joy.

I meant to write “the sanest man I’VE ever met.

(Been working on a piece for the next blog about fish art.)

Dyson Devine

Dear Michael,

Huh? Moi? Why do you and Anthony think I need a laugh? You should hear me, reading this page, Michael! If you only knew! 178 contribution IN ONE WEEK?! And all I did was say, “Very negative of you.” to Tony.

And he seriously replied , “I’m never negative.”

“I’m never negative.” I actually hurt my abs laughing at that one-liner!

Followed by, “I will not tolerate ridicule!”

Brought tears to my eyes! 🙂

You and Tony sound like the ones who need a laugh here lately.

I’m just trying to stay polite and socially acceptable enough to keep from getting accused of being agro or plastered. Oh well, one outta two’s still OK. Actually, now that I think of it, 0% because a friend read this, and emailed me to say I should stop with the Gewalt towards my attackers!

Hilarious!

The ideas people here get about the teachings (and ME!) are often side-splitting! “Religious idiot”? Too bad it couldn’t have been “little religious idiot”. You’ve met me, Michael. That would be antithetical on all THREE counts, not just TWO! Ha ha! Or why not “fat bald ignorant narrow-minded untravelled inexperienced unfriendly selfish dogmatic servile fawning sycophantic falsely-modest weak effeminate materialist greedy self-effacing pretentious parochial lazy monolingual unmusical grumpy little religious idiot”!

GO FOR ALL TWENTY-SEVEN! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

Hey! I invented a new parlour game. It’s called, “Antitheticals” Be the life of the party. Break the ice! The rules are simple. As quickly as possible, string together as many terms you can think of which are the exact opposite of your obvious true nature, appearance, built, character, intellect and personality. A time limit is set. Winner is judged on popular vote. It’s yours, mate. A money spinner. I gotta million of ’em!

You need better little smily icons, Michael. Get some that laugh and I’ll use them instead of these

🙂

He looks more like you than me.

Or answer my question (are you listening?) and tell me how to put in an ID thumnail.

You’re obviously not reading my posts. Probably not even this one.

I spend more time in laughter than anyone I know (who also doesn’t do drugs, either prescription or recreational).

My motto is, “I don’t go unless I enjoy myself.”

But I don’t “thrash” myself. That wouldn’t be be my style.

If you want a bloodbath, I’m not participating, thanks, you’ll have to do it yourself the way you used to.

I finally found your 15th UFO Congress DVD. Still hunting for 16 & 17.

You products page is hard to search/navigate. How can I sell your stuff for you if it can’t be found?

Cheers!

Jacqueline Georgina Purtell

Has anyone noticed what Edward Snowden as claimed regarding USA and the involvement with extraterrestrials . Has anyone noticed printer malfunction on trying to print out this information after downloading it to your computer from the nett . I my case that was two printers working perfectly prior to trying to make copies . Now both will not function . Coincidence ??? . Or secret service blocking of information .

Dyson Devine

Hi Jacqui,

Oh dear. You’re not one of those conspiracy theorists, are you?

Yes. I saw it too. Unbelievable, isn’t it? But I didn’t want to ruin my printer as WELL as my sleep.

Won’t be long now.

See what happens if you try to give us a good collection of URLs here.

That Plejaren I.T. guy who fixes Billy’s computer – had a strange long name – what was it now? Oh yeah, Slartibartfast. He seems to have finally managed to thwart the NSA, CIA, MIB, Mossad, Pegasus People, Opus dei, whatever, stopping me posting here. They’re all in like Flynn lately.

My guess is, now that the tide is turning, thanks to Snowden, Assange, Manning and the other selfless heroes behind the scenes blowing their piercing whistles, I think you can probably post all sorts of URLs here now and everybody’s computers will be just fine.

Just no hard copies. Or snailmail.

Have a go. Von nichts kommt nichts.

Cheers!

Andy

What what?? Really? This is a real thing, the printing breaking? Wild. I saw some article about Snowden and ET’s but it looked like nonsense at my cursory glance. Got some links? What were you trying to print?

Dyson Devine

And another thing!

Michael, you write, “Billy does teach by example.”

Is this comic irony? Or do YOU want to play “straight man” now for a while as WELL as “the good cop”? Is that in our contract?

What are we up to now? 30,000 pages?

Billy says, “Don’t use ME as a role model. I’m no saint. Far from it.”

“Fanatical”? ME?? How DARE you, you impertinent pup!

I’m EXTREMELY moderate in ALL thing, at ALL times!!!

Cheers!

Duke

It’s been a roller coaster ride of a blog thread I must say. This sounds like we will hit 200 posts in now time!!

Dyson Devine

You write, “I know I speak for many here when I say, ‘How DOES he manage such constraint, such subdued, almost somnambulant calm, monk like silence and palpable piety in the face of it all?’”

Well … since you asked …

Mikeyboy.

That’s just … the kinda guy I am.

No no. Only joking!

My trick is, before I start to write a reply to all the many sagacious and well-informed questions asked of me here, I simply take a very deep breath – and hold it – only letting it out to take another breath once my contribution is completely finished, and you’ve posted it up on line.

That’s what forces me to keep them so serene and brief, otherwise I might get too long-winded and start to digress.

Of course it would be easier for me if I refrained from playing “Flight of the Bumblebee” on my (1960’s, bb flat, Boosey & Hawkes Ltd. London, “Imperial”, Australian ex-army) tuba while simultaneously juggling my two (Stihl, 7.42 cu. in., 59 inch bar) chain saws and “Spike”, my pet echidna, while typing with my toes. But I need to challenge myself like that in order to stay sane in this degenerated modern world of piss-weak Nancy-boys, blackguards, rapscallions, and similar such ne’er do wells.

(You’re 70. You know what it’s like these days with these lazy, snivelling lickspittles. They need a damn good war, I reckon.)

But it’s not easy, hence all the typos. I’m SO sorry about that, really, it must be terrible for you all.

Unless I can improve in that regard, I’ll have to take my combat boots off.

But really – all seriousness aside …

You say, “let us know what you REALLY think.”

I’d love to, Michael, honestly, but I’m not allowed. If I did, I was told by the courts here that I’d be “back in prison for a very very long time”. (True, actually.)

Yeah, Duke! Let’s exchange jokes on the theme of “anyone listening” for a while and keep Michael off the streets and out of trouble as long as we can! Do him a favour. He’d have nothing better to do, eh?

Two senior judges are chatting and one says, “Doesn’t it worry you sometimes that over the years you may have unwittingly committed some dreadful miscarriages of justice?”

The other judge smiles and replies, “Not at all! I look at it this way: I may have sentenced innocent men to hang or rot in prison, but I must have also acquitted a lot of guilty parties too. It all evens out in the end!”

Chores!

Dyson Devine

Are you referring to the photographer?

(What a GREAT sense of humor! Woman of my DREAMS!)

Or the jumper?

Philip Brandel

Another with their priority’s right on track… Where are WE going my fellow Americans?
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/oh-yes-she-did-manager-plugs-her-jewelry-store-during-cnn-mall-shooting-interview/