Regarding the crop circles and the mathematical formulas purportedly contained therein, it seems antithetical to the approach that the Plejaren have taken, in as much as they don’t present their “message” in a rarified language that mainly only specialists, like scientists and mathematicians, can more readily comprehend.
The crop circle language would then be directed more towards…the elite. But the Plejaren and Billy Meier specifically criticize the specialized terms that scientists create and use to separate themselves from, and elevate themselves above, the ordinary people.
So what does that say about the intentions and effectiveness of the supposed extraterrestrial circle makers in their UFOs?
Some may say they could be providing groundbreaking mathematical/geometrical information. Really? And just how, when and where is it going to be shown to be uniquely important and useful to humanity…before or after the (crop and “canvas” destroying) droughts, environmental destruction and breakdown of society, etc.?
Perhaps they are trying to share their secrets of “free energy” with us, etc. Have any of the people supposedly developing such devices ever said that they’ve made their breakthroughs from the corp cirlces…let alone demonstrated that this is so?
Of course I’d be as delighted as anyone to know that some cosmic Van Gogh is swirling the grain for us horizontally. But even should that turn out to be the case, it may just show that far more advanced beings can also be inspiring, creative and playful. Maybe they’re the entertainment to accompany the far more strict, sober, direct and unambiguous messages and assistance contained in the spiritual teaching, which as I said before will long survive after the crop circles are plowed under.
Dear Michael,
This is your THIRD (?) recent “crop circle” themed blog thread. I can’t keep up chasing you around. Have you changed sides? Why are you supporting THIS ET contact initiative now, and not just Billy’s? He obviously would like us to direct our attention exclusively to his, as I now do ever since I found him (via crop circles) in 2001, and not be distracted with the CC’s, which are more useful to folks that don’t believe in space aliens at all yet.
“The crop circle language would then be directed more towards…the elite.”
You’ve got it in one, Michael.
“APPONO ASTOS”, right? Delivered in a practically forgotten Ancient Latin script which today is only used as a secret code by the untouchable ruling elite’s secret society.
And the two supplementary unknown theories of Euclidean geometry undiscovered by Euclid were not so much intended to be immediately useful to modern mathematicians – who’ve, since Euclid’s time, found algebra and differential equations, etc., more useful – as they were to provide evidence of their exotic provenance. Or are you just pulling my leg again? I never really know any more, you merry old jokester, you!
As I keep trying to tell you, it’s more a warning TO the ruling elite to behave themselves (their being watched by grown-ups), than to us, and unless you’ve striven to learn their symbolic language, they are even more cryptic than the language that Billy and the Plejaren use, similarly indecipherable to you and most other earthlings.
Geez, Michael, you’re a funny guy with your joking around all the time! As a hard-working unpaid official translator of the Billy Meier material which I undertook so you’d know a bit more about the case you’re trying to earn a living from, THIS joke didn’t go over my head, and I’m still chuckling about it, albeit a little ruefully, “..they [the Plejaren] don’t present their “message” in a rarified language..”
rarified/rarefied – “distant from the lives and concerns of ordinary people”
How many ordinary people in your neighbourhood (or country, for that matter) can read the Meier material without someone like me having to laboriously translate it first?
Ha ha ha ha! What a funny guy!
Have a great day!
🙂
Ha ha ha!
🙂
Cheers!
I’m not “supporting” as much as posing the questions, or questioning the propositions, such as the one you seem to accept without question despite other information and possibilities, let alone opposing reasoning.
Since we presume to understand that there’s some kind of non-interference policy respected among the advanced ETs, I don’t buy the implications of a “warning TO the ruling elite”. Seems illogical (and so far very much NOT in evidence). How are they going to “enforce” such a warning since they don’t interfere? Are they simply trying to remind those who could care less about the laws of cause and effect? Yawn.
As a hard working unpaid official representative of Billy Meier’s information, I still like to think for myself. Of course it should go without saying that I’m also not paid to write my blog.
And since almost every single thing that I do is voluntary – which includes not only writing, researching, radio and media reviews and funding the production of most every product I produce and promote, I probably have a little different situation than yours. While I count myself among the many, many people grateful for your ongoing translation efforts, I’m also not joking. Of course my unpaid efforts also give…you a forum for your ideas that you wouldn’t have had otherwise.
Are we “even” enough for ya now?
While there are many people in my country who could read the Meier material in German, if they wished to, let me ask you how many people in your country, or most others, can (and would even try to bother) to read the truly rarified language you perceive to be contained within the crop circles (and come up with the exact same conclusions that you do)? In fact, how many…crop circle researchers can and do? Right.
I like to think for myself and allow the different sides of a topic (including astrology, pardon me) to be explored openly, without prejudice, or reliance on anyone else’s word as final without adequate questioning, discussion, debate, etc..
I’m a funny guy that way too.
Thanks, as ever, for the questions and comments, MH.
“Since we presume to understand that there’s some kind of non-interference policy respected among the advanced ETs, I don’t buy the implications of a “warning TO the ruling elite”. Seems illogical (and so far very much NOT in evidence). How are they going to “enforce” such a warning since they don’t interfere? Are they simply trying to remind those who could care less about the laws of cause and effect? Yawn.”
Here’s a thought exercise.
If you were a primary school-yard bully – the biggest and baddest 4th grader on the block – and some huge “big kid” from 6th grade just dropped in on you one day – say the big brother of one of your little victims – and just closed one eye and looked down at you and pointed his finger at you and said, “I’ve got my eye on you, squirt” and did nothing more, I think that would have to give you pause about just believing that the only law was, you could do whatever you wanted and nobody could ever ever stop you even if they tried. I know I’d mind my step and feel less free to abuse my power.
One of the main religious tenets of our slave-masters is ‘might makes right’.
The unbridled FEAR that the planet-ruling military-industrial-complex has for all things ET is demonstrated by how many times they tried to kill Billy, and in documents like this:
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/MJ-12.1953.htm
You can just imagine the Bafath in the lucrative slave trade with their ET business partners, herding us patiently into place for the pick up. It seems like Earth is safer now. And the puppet-masters have been gone since May, 1978. Chuck a party.
Bear in mind that the occult language of symbols and the German language are BOTH very familiar to the occult ruling elite.
And in exactly the same way that Billy & Co. erect a tall language barrier around THEIR mission which acts like a fitness test to climb over (and/or builds up the muscles for having done it) before we can handle the truth of the infuriating 95%, it seems obvious that the whoevers/whatevers that make the (real) CCs do the same, only moreso. So some people have the wherewithall to learn the ET languages and try tell their friends, and others have the choice of either a positive response (listening and thinking) or a negative response (fearfully attacking) or they can just do what most people do who aren’t concerned in the slightest about life – they just ignore us and degenerate. It’s everyone’s individual personal decision, and the decision each of us makes is not only determined BY our selves alone, but it also then DETERMINES what sort of life we have ahead of us.
You ask, “Are we ‘even’ enough for ya now?”
Huh? I never saw this as any kind of contest. Did you? We both have exactly the same goal – promoting the Meier contacts. And my field of research happens to be less focussed on that than yours is – naturally – it’s your livelihood, so there’s a pecuniary feedback loop there I’d never wanted. (“You can’t sell the spiritual teachings.”) But we’ve always been “even” with everybody else, in my view. We’re all a planetary we-form, according to the material. That feels right to me. We called ourselves Gaia guys many years before we ever heard of Billy’s information telling us just how true that name actually is.
But you and I have always been an odd couple of two old men with remarkably different experiential insights to bring to the table, and I think that’s good.
And – in so far as I’m aware – neither of us is so thin-skinned that our many areas of disagreement, about the true nature of the renewed teachings and how they must be lived, have ever been taken personally. Correct me if I’m wrong.
You’re just a grouch, Michael. We love you anyway. 😉
I really do try to tailor my approach here, but when my approach CAN only ever be directed at squillions of people at once, I do tend to pitch my spiel at those most likely to be able to use the info on offer, and that inevitably comes at the cost of the lowest common denominators being mortally offended. ‘Twas ever thus. But concentrating solely on the victims’ short-term welfare while ignoring the welfare of those in a position to actually be part of the long term SOLUTION for all of us, instead of the problem, is the Bafath way. And we have no time to waste.
Like you, Michael, I do my best. I make mistakes. I try to learn from them. I check my behaviour, and the reactions of others, against how Billy says we should act and how others will invariably respond to that, and it all seems to mesh pretty well with what I’ve been taught. I don’t lose sleep over it and I don’t work for ego gratification.
Billy says, “If you don’t sleep well, that means you don’t work hard enough.”
And OM32:988 – “A wise man does not sleep in a soft bed.”
Cheers!
Does the Meier material mentions what happened to the missing legions of troops?
I don’t know about any troops. Right now I’m busy studying self-responsibility and how that relates to the one (Creation).
Duke, my friend, you remind me of a Double D’s mini-me. Every time I get D real, it is almost like he sends you in. But after all, I’m not a “mind reader” either. I don’t know. But I do know that you show up a lot. Too bad you are alone. I wish more people would tag along.
Best regards!
At least you’re here along for the ride there Ant:
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-hollywood-area-quake-third-temblor-in-last-10-days-20140208,0,285475.story#axzz2slmKZCfJ
Have fun!
Mike has a quiz next blog so I hope you studied your notes.
Well hello there mr D,
“As a hard-working unpaid official translator of the Billy Meier material which I undertook so you’d know a bit more about the case you’re trying to earn a living from, THIS joke didn’t go over my head, and I’m still chuckling about it, albeit a little ruefully, “..they [the Plejaren] don’t present their “message” in a rarified language…”
You keep throwing up that you are some big savior for the English speaking people, don’t you devil. Please don’t translate anything else for us so-called starving. I can’t believe how many people are fooled by your domination, and know-it-all-ness, that is harming the Figu mission. There is more than enough Figu information for the English to understand the spirit teaching. Maybe the English do not have the latest NEWS from the Plejaren; but the English have had more than enough to give up religion, to understand a Creation, realizing the overpopulation problem, looking for Creational laws and directives, etc., in other words, there is more than enough Billy Meier English to understand Billy Meier and what the spirit teaching are all about. But why don’t you acknowledge this? You seem to use German as a weapon, to keep everybody below you who does not understand the language. And there are only a handful of people who have actually learned German from scratch to then have translated it for all the Billy Meier fans in all of these years! I give to those people my warmest thanks! But NOT to someone who is going to beat me over the head with my food because you are doing me a favor.
Maybe you have not seen Michael Horn’s “And Did They Listen?” movie? I doubt that Billy would allow Michael to teach the spirit teaching on his DVD if he only had enough knowledge, like you say, to be dangerous. For such an educated, serviced, and languaged person, Double D, you really are either completely an academic dunce that towers over his people so that he can be called a genius or something else super smart, or a crafty secret agent that is constantly telling Figu students that reading the English material is — — — USELESS, even after any student has studied several Figu works and seen Michael’s DVDs, to continually try to sabotage their desire to learn in English. You IGNORE that Meier works are meant to teach by repetition. How can you IGNORE the spiritual completeness of the “GOT,” “TJ,” and “Intro to the Spirit Teachings,” which have all anyone would need to understand to keep them busy this lifetime — to discard the chains of religion, and how to take up a spiritual life is already in English. The English don’t need you if you are going to be a bleep; but if you want to translate, and you are just a sincere dummy and not some alien spook, please feel free. I love you phat man. I thank you, Michael and the rest of this blog for keeping us all entertained!!!
Best regards!
Hi Anthony.
You’re obviously well.
Just a few things to try to point out, once again:
You write, “there is more than enough Billy Meier English to understand Billy Meier and what the spirit teaching are all about. But why don’t you acknowledge this?”
Well, as I’ve told you before several times already, Anthony, I just don’t agree with you, and obviously the author of this material we study doesn’t either or he would have finished the bits you refer to and then just put up his feet and cracked a tinnie.
Sure, it doesn’t take a huge stack of books to know how to be a good person, but if you want to know the material to really let it fix you, I think it really does need the lot, and many of my very most important lessons and insights have come from a single sentence deep in a single book. And, the language is not of minor importance either. English is almost impossible to think in.
But, as I’ve told you many times before, Billy just keeps writing and writing and writing. And although it maintains its theme of consciousness-evolution, it’s not at all repetitive, as you can see when you compare the Might of the Thoughts to The Psyche, both now recently translated. And when we finish How to Live, I’m sure you’ll see that that’s also a very different book designed to address the very different problems we all seem to face at one time or another.
You continue, “you really are either completely an academic dunce”
You obviously missed the bit the other day when I responded to the idea that anyone who’d graduated from college would find translating Billy’s books “easy” and I replied that it must have been because I only just graduated from high school that I found it so difficult. And then I copped it for being “an 11th grader”. Ha ha! So, as I also said to my friend Jim some days ago on the puffer fish thread, I never went back to climb the ivory tower. And I have no regrets, Anthony, because I’ve been able to spend most of my adult life learning whatever I wanted to.
“or a crafty secret agent”
Is there no middle ground for me? Why is everybody so paranoid about of my transparent motives and history? Google me. I keep telling people over and over again that I’m just some guy who got caught up in the rapids of history. If I were a spook, I think I’d live a much less Spartan existence.
“that is constantly telling Figu students that reading the English material is — — — USELESS”
Now, Anthony. Let’s just sit down and try to think this through. Why would I do what I do – write so much in English for the public – if I didn’t want people to READ what I do? That is just totally illogical. You must know I never told anybody any such thing. Quite the opposite, in fact. Where do you get your funny ideas?
You IGNORE that Meier works are meant to teach by repetition.
As I’ve told you before, repetition is the mother of all learning, and when you say something again and again or even when you read something several times, that’s one of the best ways to drum it into your head.
It has to do with neuroplasticity.
I’m sure I speak for Michael when I say how pleased we are that you find our little act here entertaining! After all, that’s the reason for us all being here, isn’t it? We wouldn’t want you getting all bored and irritable now, would we.
Hang in there, brother!
Cheers!
🙂
Double D,
Please my friend, I’m having a good time interacting with you. I actually am glad that you even reply to my posts. I learn a lot. And I get a lot of laughs. Mr D, you, you really laugh at these posts we all make, don’t you? I sure do! I certainly hope other people do! I certainly get bored reading your long posts. I mean can’t you be brief to save up space? Plus I’m at an “8th” grade reading level. Please make it easier for me.
But what I do read is FUNNY. It is almost like you are some nutty professor that stands at his chalkboard with his long bleep stick and demands the class pay attention to his boring lecture. And the lecture is usually boring and long. And did I mention that the lecture is too long and boring. What is funny is that you actually spend the time to type all of this long bleep bleep. As if your word is final. If there are people who are reading these blogs who are proficient at the spirit teaching, ones that notice the ills of domination and know-it-all-ness, they will see our comedy routine as the bleep. Spiritual people all over the globe must be laughing their bleeps off right now.
Are YOU?
Ask yourself. And see if you are not getting “irritable now.” The truth is I want you to be having fun. Would you like someone to give you some birthday cake and a balloon? Happiness is self-created.
Dyson, Michael–love you guys. Glad to see Dyson still findin time to be here. I know its not the intended objective of the discussions here…but always entertaining in the least, you two are. And yes, typically quite informative/thought provoking.
I thought the encrypted advanced mathematical info–if it indeed exists–was not necessarily for the purposes of immediately assisting us in our precarious plight, but simply to further evidence the ET origin of the CC’s… as Dyson implied, a kind of subtle non-coercive means–consistent with the Plajeran methodology–of introducing the reality of ET’s to the unknowing terrestrial public.
I hate to completely redirect the convo…but something been bothering me, and was hopin one of you two super-smart gentlemen could lend some insight:
Billy writes somewhere something to the effect “the fool says he has no free will.” I’ll trust him there, but I can’t wrap my mind around it, can’t place it; like Sam Harris, I have difficulty “mapping free will on to metaphysical reality.”
I can see that I appear to make decisions, and that these decisions effect outcomes…but considering the completely CASUALLY DETERMINED nature of Creation, how can I say my “choice,” and my thinking that led to that “choice”, could have been any different? It would seem that the immutable laws of cause and effect dictate that any seemingly free choice or free thought was really a combined product of my genes, my present education, the color of my shirt, and the amount of sugar and caffeine for breakfast (you know what I mean).
Can anyone make a compelling argument for the existence of a truly free free will? I sense I have one, I believe I have one, just can’t seem to justify this belief–an uncomfortable position.
Again, sorry Michael for the off-topicness (and long-windedness)…any replies much appreciated. Regards.
And apparently my foolishness leaves me in good company:
Spinoza: “The mind is determined to this or that choice by a cause which is also determined by another cause, and this again by another, and so on ad infinitum. This doctrine teaches us to hate no one, to despise no one, to mock no one, to be angry with no one, and to envy no one.”
Einstein: “I do not believe in free will. Schopenhauer’s words, ‘Man can do what he wants, but he cannot will what he wills,’ accompany me in all situations throughout my life and reconcile me with the actions of others, even if they are rather painful to me. This awareness of the lack of free will keeps me from taking myself and my fellow men too seriously as acting and deciding individuals, and from losing my temper.”
These quotes make the additional point that contrary to popular belief, a disavowal of free will can actually lead to compassion and not necessarily moral laxity. This isn’t my primary concern though–the main question: How can we deny Spinoza’s first sentence quoted above???
Again, know its off topic BUT considering that “self-responsibility is the core the spiritual teaching”… I’ll justify this inquiry by it being more than tangentially related to the heart of the material; a good thing to nail down. Thanks.
Also, crop circles, crop circles, crop circles! There.
All I would try to, and have time to, add is that there are many influences and choices, of varying strengths and sizes, some but not all of which we are conscious of. And it seems to me that we choose, to the best of our ability, which may surmount said influences, or not, to varying degrees. Not everyone automatically foes wacky during a full moon…but the tides are affected seemingly never bucking whatever influences may be present.
Wow, Andy,
Fortunately enough, this topic just so happens to have a GREAT deal of immediate bearing on the matter of crop circles* too, as I’ll try to explain as briefly as I can if you just bear with me and read on fro a bit.
When people start talking about free will, I can’t stop thinking about it, and usually start looking for some giant’s shoulders to climb up on.
And for me, Hofstadter was it, until back in September (12th) 2001 when I rented “UFOs Are Real” from the video shop (remember them?) and watched Wendelle Stevens hold up a big stack of papers.
But if you want to know about the nature of many many things, free will included I think (U.S.) Prof. Douglas Hofstadter does a brilliant job in his Pulitzer Prize-winning non-fiction, “Goedel, Escher, Bach”.
“a wonderful exploration of fascinating ideas at the heart of cognitive science: meaning, reduction, recursion, and much more.” (Only for eggheads. More below.)
http://www.amazon.com/G%C3%B6del-Escher-Bach-Eternal-Golden/dp/0465026567/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1373690626&sr=1-1&keywords=godel+escher+bach+an+eternal+golden+braid
That was taken from here:
https://theyflyblog.com/whats-another-word-for-told-ya-so/07/09/2013
The thing about free will, Andy, is we were all given it by Creation from the day of our birth.
But we weren’t given any choice about that.
Don’t think too much about these things. Just learn Goedel’s Theorem, and you’ll be fine.
Goedel, Escher, Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid, Douglas R. Hofstadter,
Penguin Books Ltd, England, 1979
Introspection and Insanity: A Goedelian Problem
“I think it can have suggestive value to translate Goedel’s Theorem into
other domains, provided one specifies in advance that the translations are
metaphorical and are not intended to be taken literally. That having been
said, I see two major ways of using analogies to connect Goedel’s Theorem and
human thoughts. One involves the problem of wondering about one’s sanity.
How can you figure out if you are sane? This is a Strange Loop indeed. Once
you begin to question your own sanity, you can get trapped in an ever-tighter vortex of self-fulfilling prophecies, though the process is by no means inevitable. Everyone knows that the insane interpret the world via their own peculiarly consistent logic; how can you tell if your own logic is “peculiar” or not, given that you have only your own logic to judge itself? I don’t see any answer. I am just reminded of Godel’s second Theorem, which implies that the only versions of formal number theory which assert their own consistency are inconsistent…” (page 696, Chapter XX Strange Loops, or Tangled Hierarchies)
(Kurt Gödel, also spelled GOEDEL (b. April 28, 1906, Brünn, Austria-Hungary–d. Jan. 14, 1978, Princeton, N.J., U.S.), Austrian-born U.S. mathematician, logician, and author of Gödel’s proof, which states that within any rigidly logical mathematical system there are propositions (or questions) that cannot be proved or disproved on the basis of the axioms within that system and that, therefore, it is uncertain that the basic axioms of arithmetic will not give rise to contradictions. This proof has become a hallmark of 20th-century mathematics, and its repercussions continue to be felt and debated.
Copyright (c) 1996 Encyclopaedia Britannica, Inc. All Rights Reserved)
Cheers!
*not really. Only kidding.
Andy,
Lift your arm up extended in front of you, and then move it down next to your side, those movements were determined, caused, by your free will. Sure, it worked through your mind and brain, but your free will was the cause.
Or, if you think that Tony’s example was actually an attempt or means of controlling you and overriding your free will, perhaps – I’m not saying you should or have to – you’ll do something comparably demonstrative on your own.
Actually there are both – vibrational influences that determine things, and free will. What would be the point of life if everything was predetermined? Free will allows us to choose. Free will choices determine at least half of our lives, in my opinion, and that makes life very interesting and exciting.
The people aboard the Titanic all had free will, however cause and effect determined their fates not vibrations. Overpopulation can only make things all that more extreme in your life.
Everything and everyone is in a state of vibration.
By now , we’ve been able to balance out the information as well as assumptions concerning the crop circles , which I have renamed Crop Shapes , since they aren’t all circles . Wheat Shapes , Corn Shapes and the ever popular Soybean Shapes that I’m certain will never catch on . Watch this space for the new ‘Cereal Crop Circle’ products from some food company that might crop up soon .
Whatever the micropolitics of disseminating Billy’s writings may be , it’s good to know that everyone who has pitched into the effort knows that it’s mostly a thankless task , besides the type-scribbled thanks that happen from time to time . Criticisms come with the territory , those “amber waves of grain”.
I have no criticisms for the way it’s presented , as it’s always presented with signature commentary , in Mr. Horn’s case just happens to be humorous , a palatable opposite from the unavoidable scathe-shrift , the new entitlement of the New Age .
I have a certain disbelief when I read comments from the translators , who thankfully always keep the wording as precise as possible , and don’t like something , railing with disdain at Mr.Horn’s choice of words or approach to the communique , as if to say ,” I didn’t authorize it this way !!or ” I didn’t give you permission to joke !!”
To sum it up , Mr. Horn has become kind of an expert writer in that he has taken the art of words and turned into another kind of crop ; one which grows other well-worded dissertations , scathe fests , criticisms as well as occasional added information from others that we luck upon .
All in all , Thank you , everyone involved in the process , and if you did more than me , you have the right to rip some hard thoughts my way for sticking my neck out to say …. neutral positivity , the elephant in the room that few of us will ever get to even feed a peanut .
Thanks Mark, sometimes it’s just hard to be Sirius and, heaven forbid my name was Gene, there’d be no end to the manipulations.
If you were from Sirius, and your name was Gene, you probably wouldn’t want an end to the good manipulations.
“…Watch this space for the new ‘Cereal Crop Circle’ products…”
I just hope there is a shiny prize inside each box with the answers to everything on one Triscuit.
Mark,
Very well said.
“I have a certain disbelief when I read comments from the translators , who thankfully always keep the wording as precise as possible , and don’t like something , railing with disdain at Mr.Horn’s choice of words or approach to the communique , as if to say ,” I didn’t authorize it this way !!or ” I didn’t give you permission to joke !!”
Where is it written that translators have superior knowledge, or any sort of authority? Michael should be treated with the utmost respect and appreciation, as all of us should be. As I have said, if a person is a translator or a professor, that, in and of itself, means NOTHING to me. It might mean something to them, but to me it’s just another type of career, that’s all. It does not give them any type of superiority whatsoever, or any right to unduly criticize Michael, or anyone else.
A few more points – Could it be that translators are translating Meier material, so they can learn very valuable information too, knowledge that they treasure as well?
One translator tries to ridicule and argue with Michael sometimes, instead of discussing things intelligently. He does that to almost everyone, so it’s no big deal. But I’m glad that Michael corrects him, when he needs it, maybe that will help him in the long run.
His contributions do help others think, but he needs to stop with the ego trip that he translates Meier material. That’s getting old. And besides, as I said, why does he do the translations? Do you think he might be learning great truth doing it, while he’s getting the information out to others?
Michael, to me, your work is more important. A book publisher once told me – You can write a great book, but without a book company to promote and distribute it, your 500 copies will sit in your home.
So it’s team work, it’s always team work, that brings about success.
I appreciate the appreciation and suggest that the contributions in all areas serve the mission, some forms being more interesting, important, accessible to some people, some more so to others. I certainly agree that team work, even when members of the team are a little abrasive with each other in order to clarify and improve the overall quality of the efforts, is beneficial.
Tony , I try to be neutral , even ‘neutral positive’ in my comments about any of this . Good luck ! I am after all , North American , raised on John Wayne and swagger . I like Anthony’s response , and he seems to have made DD get somewhat REAL and honest . However , even his replies reveal isolation and angst . So , while one is translating , one should take more time to read and apply what is learned to interactions , the only effective means of learning , after all .
All spiritual people should, and do, have a great sense of humor.
Look, if some of the crop circles are of ET origin, and I think some are, then if they are studied carefully, it will give more proof of ET life. How many ET civilizations have visited Earth in recent history, probably many. It all leads to the worldwide realization that we are not alone in the Universe. A thought that has always been absurd to me. What Humanity does with that knowledge depends on us, the truth bringers.
Dear Tony,
I wholeheartedly agree with you about that. I think it was very well put common sense.
Thank you.
Had it not been for the (real) crop circles, I probably never would have put them together with my USAF experiences with radar UFOs, and never found the Disclosure Project and then ultimately started translating Billy Meier’s texts.
I know of others who also followed the same path to Billy via crop circles.
(Like with Anthony, I haven’t looked everywhere, but I assume you read my apologies and we’ve now shaken hands. I hope you also saw the places where I tried to explain the gewaltsame Gewaltlosigkeit behind my tactical behaviour.)
Cheers!
guys, guys, you have to take a look at this. Super hilarious and awesome
http://www.startalkradio.net/show/a-conversation-with-god/
not related to crop circles, but Neil is impeccable and God is really funny
My theory (just a theory mind) is that the CC’s will not show us ‘the way’ as many believe (show me the invention/science derived from crop circle information), but that they are reflected back Universal type thought projections that stem from the thoughts (the innate wonder) of people living on the earth – conversations with the Universe if you will – that are organised and then bounced back into energetic pictorial/symbol form into crops; either trampled out with boards, the Earth, or, higher intelligences – whatever works. I see them as being like the large traces of a racquet sports game of cosmic Squash where thought energy is like the squash ball and the crop fields the wall with the CC’s being like exquisite marks left on the wall by the return strokes of Creation. I think strength of thought (individual/collective) is being exercised/strengthened by these processes whereby the circles represent the Universe’s best return stroke: An answer spelled out in wheat to earth people’s elemental and wondrous look up to the heavens with the question, “Is there life out there?” … erm, “Yes – in so many varied, intelligent, beautiful and complex ways”.
Further suggested reading:
http://www.theyfly.com/articles/gaia/meieriowv7p1,383,v8p69.htm
Only time for a quick note but I obviously do need to reiterate, clarify, etc., that I’m absolutely not a proponent of the “boards and ropes” theories for the complex crop circles. Quoting from my original blog about it, “human beings with far more resources available to them (hands with fingers, boards and ropes at the very least, comrades and computers, etc.)”
Meier and Ptaah have said that human beings are resourceful, creative, inspired by impulses from the Creation and with the aid of modern technology, etc., certainly can accomplish a lot that we otherwise are all too willing to ascribe, and credit, to extraterrestrials.
And, in case my own repeated statement has also been forgotten, I was originally a proponent of the alien hypothesis…and still think it’s possible for some of them. I have no problem with that possibility. But I do have a problem with the conspiratorial tone of the premise that Meier is, and must be, hiding the truth because of some implications that haven’t really been convincingly spelled out. Of course he’s directly said that the ET hypothesis isn’t true. He may or may not be correct.
However, let’s consider that he and Ptaah have openly discussed the off planet present of four groups of extraterrestrials who are and have long been monitoring the Earth and whose craft are sometimes seen in the skies. Should we not notice this openness, this admission of the presence of another group, about whom the Plejaren may not know too much, as they seem to have said? (Or are we now going to be told that it’s because they don’t know as much, or say they don’t know as much, etc., etc.?)
So, in light of that, why would we think that Meier is deliberately jiving us about the crop circles and their manmade, human origins?
Of course if Dyson wants to set aside his translating of the Meier material one morning to translate all the “messages” and other content in the so-called Zeta Reticulum created circles, I say go for it…since I think he just may have be able to resume the important work of translating the Meier material by…sometime after lunch (or before).
“Meier and Ptaah have said that human beings are resourceful, creative, inspired by impulses from the Creation and with the aid of modern technology, etc., certainly can accomplish a lot that we otherwise are all too willing to ascribe, and credit, to extraterrestrials.”
Yeah like 3-D printing, for example. Where will this technology be in a few years? I probably won’t need a Walmart nearby to buy my Triscuits. Will they be able to print food do you think in about 10 years? With all the nifty electronic gadgets you can buy at Office Depot, why is it so difficult for the average person to understand that terrestrial secret technology may be hundreds of years ahead of what you can buy at Costco, Home Depot, Petsmart, Tractor Supply, and Foot Locker combined. Imagine now what the double top secret underground base 3-D printer can do right now? I bet it can do wonders in the kitchen; and fool the brightest minds on the outside. 🙂
I’m in total agreement.
Hi Dyson, it was funny on the last thread that you posted a link to the Alberta Agriculture and Sustainable Resources and Development website. Those bunch of provincial crooks have been in power longer than Gadhafi. A few years ago they wanted to kill all the animals at the Guzoo because the zoo did not keep track of every single guinea pig that was born and because they fed their animals roadkill. So they wanted to kill all those animals (because most were too old or sick to go to another zoo) but I kept on phoning them and asking why they would kill all the animals at the zoo just to save them, where is their logic in that? No answer (of course). Someone would get back to me LOL (which never happened). I kept on them asking which bureaucrat needs a lions head on his wall. I fired off an email to the PM because Laureen is an animal lover and with our Sun news media shining a spotlight on their bullshit, it stopped and the Guzoo is still in operation. Currently the Alberta government is trying to get rid of the wild horses at Sundre because there are too many??? This is the organization which decides what too many is. So does another bureaucrat like horsemeat? Two more years and I’m hoping Albertans will have had enough – especially the $44,000 Premier Alison Redford just spent going to Nelson Mandela’s funeral. The Premier of Nova Scotia only submitted less than $1,000 in spending costs for the same trip.
So I started reading your link to their webstie and about halfway and it turned into blah, blah, blah. I’ve seen lodging and yes it happens after a heavy rainfall or hail and usually on the side of a hill or in lower lying areas. But they never form in a complete circle…let alone three complete circles plus a complete circle about two feet wide. So lodging can be ruled out. And sorry for my rant but our provincial gubbermint are the authority on nothing. They are the same people who in co-operation with AFSC, seed the clouds with silver iodide…which is detrimental to the environment (but less of a payout for hail and crop insurance and more money for Alison to spend in wonderland).
I like how you brought up Billy’s pictures and evidence of the IFO’s(Semjase’s and Quetzal’s) landing tracks in another post? Now that is solid evidence to add to the list!!
There can be no doubt about what and where those “tracks” came from.
I couldn’t help but comment on Premier Alison Redford’s 44,000$ cost to go to Nelson Mandela’s funeral and 1,000 for the premier of Nova Scotia. Read not long ago the Obama’s hit on tax payers for that same funeral was 19,000,000+$. Dude needs an army around him at all times it seems.. what a waste.
Sorry for getting of topic:)
Above post was for Sheila:)
Hi Philip, for sure especially when the ones who made the crop circles also admitted to it 🙂 But one thing we can be sure of no matter how they are made, they are beneficial to humankind. My imagination and ideas have grown so much in the last few years. To scientifically assess this I asked my husband and he confirmed that it was true. Then I had it peer reviewed by my friends. Unlike so many peer reviewed journals, I never had to pay them a cent. 🙂
Hello Sheila,
The best kind of insight, truly seems to only come at the cost of thinking with our fellow humans…
Even here… there is a fairly healthy degree of varying opinions and insights. Even if in only words on a computer screen for now. Hopefully though, that will change more and more. More peer reviews are needed with Billy’s case, CC’s, DP.. more of the free kind:)
Crop Circles are an important aspect of the overall sphere of what is available for us at this time.(as I see it) Even if a lot of them are made with ropes and boards, it has helped change the perception a little, with a lot of people! Mainly for the better as it seems to me.
With how lost most seem to be content being…it would be utterly amazing if WE just randomly started making these. Does not fit the bill for me personally.(they would be far more “earthly” in general for that). I can only imagine what earth humanoids would find suitable to stomp into a field around my area.(“jesus” faces, crosses, vikings football logo, Homer Simpsons face, Justin Beiber for the Canadians:) etc, etc)
It would be an ingenious way to say hello to us without actually doing it. Especially as seeing what they are dealing with.
Makes me think of 1942-Battle of Los Angeles.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe0_wbVYIQ0
Maybe easier to just draw us a few thousand pictures on our falsely loved, battered, earths surface.
Best wishes
Hi Philip, yes The Battle of Los Angeles is well documented and should make DS give his head a shake when he demands that if aliens want to make themselves known, they should try to land somewhere. This is proof that that will never happen.
Weirdly when our crop circle appeared I had just finished listening to all of George Green’s paradigm shift crap and had just started into the Meier material (because all UFO roads lead to Billy) when I wished for a sign. For all I know it could have been the NSA granting my wish LOL. Or maybe even the Ashtar Sheran leftover minions? I still don’t know, but my arse is sure getting sore sitting on this fence.
Dyson !! gday mate , love ya work .I am in pursual(?)of learning the German language solely for the purpose of reading the material .I have 3 friends that can translate the material in High German and to teach me . Tina is one lady friend and will start by teaching me the correct way by starting to learn the German alphabet.From there she says that everything from there will fall into place.
I also love the way Yourself and Michael write and explain things in such a way that I want to. Dyson/Michael , I have all the knowledge/information in my head to be able to undertake to write like yourselves , but i cant seem to get it from my head to my fingers .Its frustrating for me , because although i talk ,like you guys can write/type
I cant get it down. could you possibly steer me to some form of basic education for me to learn how to do this or am i just “reading” to much into it . I have my own path and my own evolute agenda “true” but just asking here guy’s .
Salome Wayne Sunter-Smith
Fingerprints , DNA ,crop circles ,Snowflakes
All highly radioactive.
Hiya Michael!
Lunch? What is what you said? You don’t waste your valuable time eating TOO, do you?
Wow. First sleeping. Now EATING. Where will it end? Next it will be “resting”. You won’t find ME doing that sort of thing!
Actually I think my existing contributions here (and on your other two CC threads) not only specifically address ALL your concerns and questions just put, but I’ve also been putting some gnarly questions to you, which you’ve overlooked.
The fact that this is now going on on three separate threads simultaneously – and you’ve isolated some of my recent contributions, for instance, ones intended for the most recent ones, on the earliest one – hasn’t reduced the confusion. Similarly putting my “Further reading” addenda on a page other than the one where you put my main comment to which it referred, has further complicated an already somewhat chaotic situation.
So “Further reading” now follows nothing.
IMO, one of the difficulties you and I face in trying to see eye to eye, as I’ve repeatedly said, is that you ask the same questions of me over and over – even on the FIGU forum where you raised these self same issues with me four years ago – and then you even admit that you don’t read the detailed answers you demand of me and I provide for you. It just means that I have to repeat myself. And, on top of that, now you don’t post all my answers. And misrepresent the facts to Billy. You think you’re fooling HIM?
Naturally, I wonder where your sarcasm leaves off and your seriousness starts.
As you know.
And also, as I’ve explained repeatedly here, I don’t “set aside” my translating of the Meier material to translate anything for anyone. The opposite is true. The sense of urgency has abated with the publication (into its second edition already) of our first book, but that work is my top priority, which is why I can do so little here.
(I sit here and watch Billy’s material as we laboriously extrude it into English and WISH that I could produce it serially for free on line, instead of only in costly thick books made out of trees. How to Live is an astonishingly valuable book. We did The Might of Thoughts first so the subsequent ones could be absorbed. And quite a few Special Bulletins with juicy tidbits are no longer being translated. Did anyone notice?)
Anyway – mostly, as opposed to Billy’s exhaustively detailed information being doled out in German from the vaults of Fortress FIGU, I think the CCs are primarily designed as huge ephemeral calling-cards for those with eyes to see. Sort of a gradual and gentle, “Hey! Lookit! Over here. We’re real. We’re out there. Don’t be scared. We come in peace. We’re just folks. There’s good out there, and if you can’t yet think, at least BELIEVE it. We’re the Little Grey’s. We smoke. Here’s what we made for you – SUPER SEEDS! And pretty pictures. So we have art. We’re humans. We’re your next-door neighbours. You’re not ALONE!”
But, in the same way that I infuriatingly remind people here to avoid underestimating the sheer quantity of Billy’s work by forgetting the 95% which is hidden from your view, please don’t underestimate the sheer quantity of accumulating data which come from these thousands and thousands of huge and complex forms in fields. You’ve heard the expression, “A picture says a thousand words”. THIS group needs a Michael Horn TOO. You gotta nuther?
The most reliable looking figure I could find for the total of modern (post 1980) crop circles was about 10,000 by 2005, and they appear (suddenly) all over the world, but hundreds are now being reportedly added to that total every year, and the rate of their occurrence has been increasing in a mathematically significant (neither linear nor exponential) way, as well as reflecting the 11 year sunspot cycle – which naturally argues AGAINST a heterogeneous collection of world-wide artists, and FOR some sort of bizarre, anonymous, internationally co-ordinated visual arts/agronomy program. Similarly their rough geographic distribution (more and more in countries other than the UK – Italy’s getting a lot now, and Eastern Europe is starting up) and more in-yer-face placement – more and more are now being made in FULL view, right below busy highway overpasses, etc., and squeezed in among thickly populated areas – suggests an accelerating habituation program is already well under way. Also, they are becoming ever more complex and gianormous. They respond to global events, both political and astronomical. (Eclipses, comets, planetary conjunctions, etc., etc.) And reflect geological substrata – chalk and aquifer. And so on and so forth. Like Billy, they’re a well kept secret that only reveal themselves to sufficient scrutiny.
I’d put money on the idea that when Billy decides it’s time for him to shuffle off, we’ll see a lot more of these generous artists – maybe even openly.
And they do seem to be geographically creeping up on the SSSC.
I think both the Plejaren and the CC people are very aware of each other.
They’d HAVE to be, unless they all have really slow dial-up networks.
If there was no such thing as a crop circle, and then suddenly an entire modern year’s accumulation was delivered in one season, earthlings would freak. As is, over the last generation or so, so many people now know about them that the risk of widespread panic is constantly waning. Besides, WE all know that people generally don’t WANT to know the truth about ETs, but prefer their own fearful ignorance and superstitions any day over making any genuinely effective effort to get off their fat backsides and learn the truth. And those who ARE interested in extraterrestrials, mostly want to keep them safely in the controllable realm of fantasy/science fiction.
But being symbols – grouped within eras of logically evolving homogeneously coordinated logical themes – almost never words, their bewilderingly complex and synergistic interrelationships are not amenable to being simply “translated” into a language, but demand a more subjective set of interpretations, based on the ancient and modern symbols used on this planet, mathematical constructs and elucidated patterns thereof, as well as fascinating associations with Nokodemion’s symbols. It takes a lot of pattern-recognition and language grunt to see what’s there. My dad was a top cryptographer in WWII and I think he passed some of those genes onto me.
But here’s the funny bit. Because of the (slow) way CC’s got started – combined with the ruthlessly enforced “giggle factor” associated with ET, most of the current crop of “croppies” (crop circle “researchers”/fans) came up with their own pet theories, as to the sources and techniques behind these once small and simple circles, so they publicly nailed their colours to the proverbial mast, and even almost NOBODY will mention ETs, rarely if ever showing the Chilbolton and Crabwood business cards, and they stay sticking to their daft theories about “earth energies”, “plasma vortices” and so on, a feeble-minded proclivity exploited by our friends and teachers the Plejaren.
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/circulos_cultivos/esp_circuloscultivos14.htm
http://www.lucypringle.co.uk/photos/
IN MY OPINION, I hasten to add.
I need a bloody generic disclaimer:
Any views expressed are provided for entertainment purposes only and should not be construed in any way as an offer, an endorsement, or inducement to invest and is not in any way a testimony of, or associated with, Billy Meier, the Horn Family Enterprizes International, Inc., any and all dolphins and/or other extraterrestrial and/or interdimentional life forms and/or or any real or imagined lineages of prophets, living or dead. Animals were hurt during the production of this comment.
🙂
Cheers!
P.S. Just noticed that – since you started irritating yourself with all this space alien nonsense associated with these Puffer Fish courtship rituals which are obviously responsible for all these stupid so called “crop circles” – you’ve changed the heading from Crop Circles part 2″ to “Heated online debate..” So you now admit to getting hot under the collar and all worked up, eh Michael? Have a little lie-down or take a cold shower or a naked roll in the snow.
A few things before bed (I’m told that it’s a good PR move to at least pretend that I sleep, like a lot of other people, you know0.
My work load right now, with the new film out and all of that, has me trying to do the best with the blog too. So sometimes things may get delayed, misplaced, etc., nothing deliberate.
As I said, I have no axe to grind re the CCs, whatever their source.
The heated online debate is just for the SEO thing, which I’m just now learning to do for all my previous posts, tons of work to catch up on but there’s the study group tomorrow and lots of other things I’m also not caught up on.
I like the more cordial tone between the contributors. Anthony and I were talking about all this today at the meeting…he attends them too. Surprises, surprises. No to go and fake some sleep…I may try the ropes and boards thing to see if it helps.
If you have trouble falling asleep you can always count people.
Thanks MH.
I’ve resubmitted my comments (refutations of errors of fact conveyed to Billy) that went missing.
I’m still wondering who took it upon themselves to criminally hack out over a hundred valuable comments, over on Tony’s astrology page, and why. I hope they don’t decide to hack (remove/alter data) your other webpages too. Any theories?
I also welcome the more cordial tone here, of course. The nature and correct application of gewatsame Gewaltlosigkeit is still VERY alien to most Earth people unfamiliar with the renewed teachings and is naturally and unfortunately mistaken for simply naked Gewalt.
You write,”As I said, I have no axe to grind re the CCs, whatever their source.”
This is another one of your jokes, right? Very droll. Ha ha! What a kidder.
“To have an axe to grind: to have a strong personal opinion about something that you want people to accept and that is the reason why you do something”
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/have-an-axe-to-grind
A brief comment about translator abuse:
It comes with the job and is expected from people who are wounded (consciously or subconsciously) by Billy’s messages. It’s a psychologically revealing form of “shooting the messenger”.
I look forward to writing a review of your new video, Michael. Pity the planet is so big and the postal service so poor. If it were smaller, we’d all be burdened with much less gravity here.
😉
Cheers!
I have now found out who hacked the comments! Everybody get ready for a bit of a shock…CIA! I should add that it stands for Conspiracy Inaccurately Assessed.
The real reason/cause, etc., was explained to me by my tech friend who straightened it out:
“good news I was able to figure it out with out going to the go daddy site.
went to
settings> discussion>
[ ] “Break comments into pages with 50 top level comments per page and the LAST page displayed by default ”
I unchecked this.”
And voo-el-la, it should be all better now.
Let’s hope so. I wonder how much memory it will take to load the page if it goes higher and the bandwidth costs to host that? Probably good to check that out.
It is mysterious that all the snowmobilers are gone out and it is perfect conditions for snowmobiling in this radioactive snow. They probably are sick of it and that’s why it is so pleasantly peaceful out here.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0fMSUlHrJg
Michael,
I especially agree with,”Meier and Ptaah have said that human beings are resourceful, creative, inspired by impulses from the Creation and with the aid of modern technology, etc., certainly can accomplish a lot that we otherwise are all too willing to ascribe, and credit, to extraterrestrials.”
As you know, there is a lot of secret technology behind the scenes in the world today.
Dear Tony,
Being someone with an interest in the USAP’s ruthlessly suppressed, taxpayer-funded, “black shelf”, advanced, “free”-energy and anti-gravity propulsion technology which you, Ptaah and the Disclosure Project allude to or describe, and with my professional background as a high-tech electronics technician, I can only say that I agree with you wholeheartedly about your above comment.
And I look forward to your (and Anthony’s) eventual acknowledgement of my begging your forgiveness for any hurt I may have unavoidably caused you, as well as your responses to the respectfully asked questions put to you about – in particular – your stated view that Jim Deardorff’s axiomatic remark – that the Plejaren deliberately make their physical evidence look like a hoax – is, according to you, “absurd”. This is very important and is related to the correct way that Billy’s lessons, in general, and his current stance on “crop circles”, in particular, must be understood.
https://theyflyblog.com/the-little-fish-that-could/01/28/2014/20141
I bring this up because the fallout from this
https://theyflyblog.com/tag/pendulum-ufo-film
where (Prof.) “Rhal” invited me to collaborate along with Jim and Chris, is now starting to accumulate, and, as usual, it looks like “arch-rogue” (his words) Billy is up his old tricks.
Cheers!
Dyson Devine says:
February 8, 2014 at 5:59 am
Here are some examples of my ignored qualified statements recently misrepresented to Billy. And a few links and thoughts on the matter.
March 16, 2010 (FIGU forum)
“the Zeta Reticulans(?) who I think are responsible for the genuine (not the hoaxed or corrupted) “crop circles’”
“Just to clarify: I don’t know for sure that the crop circles are ET, per se, since they might be from interdimentionals or time travellers, etc. But they are NOT (all) from regular (or Dark Order) Earthlings.”
http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/11009.html#POST48357
And me, again in reply to MH, March 18th, 2010, two days later.
You continue, (I’m quoting you quoting me now) “and then ‘I don’t know for sure that the crop circles are ET, per se, since they might be from interdimentionals or time travellers, etc. But they are NOT (all) from regular (or Dark Order) Earthlings.’ is a bit confusing, as well as a bit self-contradictory.”
This one is easier. It’s in the same way that various know-it-all skeptibunkers have split hairs with you and claimed that even if these so-called Plejaren zoom around in flying saucers which people can see and photograph, provide metal and sound samples for analysis and so on and so forth, THAT – in and of itself – does not PROVE that they are EXTRATERRESTRIALS, since they might be interdimentionals or time travellers, etc. I was simply trying to avoid falling into that one with you. Do you remember what Marcel Vogel said to the Japanese television interviewer who asked him – after Vogel explained what he’d found in the Plejaren metal samples he’d looked at – “So, then, are they … extratestorials?” Vogal smiled and said, “Well, they’re not from around HERE!” Maybe the gigantic field forms aren’t from ETs? But whoever or whatever is doing the “real” ones – well, they’re not from around HERE!
http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/11009.html#POST48448
A forum search of crabwood or chilbolton will unearth more if anyone’s interested.
In a deliberate act of journalistic provocation – taking a leaf from Michael’s book where he used the unqualified statement, “The World’s Leading Expert on UFOs” as a clever way to prompt much-needed debate – on November 16, 2013, I mentioned the Reticulans here without mentioning that it was my own tentative and seemingly common sense conclusion based on all my many years of work.
https://theyflyblog.com/the-hillary-raimo-show-decoding-the-billy-meier-material/11/08/2013
It got no response.
So, on February 1st, 2014, I deliberately tried again on Michael’s new thread where he effectively calls me a liar, in publicly headlining my Disclosure Project witness testimony as “BOGUS”. – meaning: “not genuine or true (used in a disapproving manner when deception has been attempted).”
https://theyflyblog.com/pretentious-profiteering-purveyor-of-all-that-is-bogus/01/30/2014
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/radar.story.htm
It seems to me, since I’m not trying to be Meier’s media representative, that I should enjoy the same privilege – of being able to state my conclusions about CCs as “my truth” – like the astrology fans do here about their conclusions, which, unlike mine, seem designed to mix the Plejaren science of astrology with the Earth-type which Billy condemns. The difference I see between these two issues, neither of which Billy supports, is that only one of them (CCs) has any logical scientific substantiation (not to mention common sense) behind it.
I welcome and encourage people not to dogmatically believe Billy as if he’s a tin god to be worshiped, and I’m sure he wouldn’t want that.
On February 3rd, 1997, Billy wrote, “They [“a worldwide group of certain earth humans”] are also not inactive in matters relating to the COUNTERFEITING of crop circles, and indeed in the most differing countries.” [my caps for emphasis]
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/meierv7p438-444.htm
“COUNTERFEITING”?
The fervour in which Billy’s ludicrous boards and ropes statement is being wielded against in-yer-face scientifically established hard physical evidence to the contrary, and Billy’s own statements about “grain circle counterfeiting” (“Kornkreisfälschungen”) – shows to me that we still have a very long way to go before we get over the idea that what “the book” (or Billy) says IS TRUE BECA– — — USE “the book” (or Billy) SAYS it’s true.
Further reading:
http://www.theyfly.com/articles/gaia/meieriowv7p1,383,v8p69.htm
Cheers!