Here’s a little note on why I have put up blogs for discussion pertaining to crop circles, astrology, etc.
We have to remember that Billy Meier has indeed said to not believe anything, including what he or the Plejaren say, as our friend Dyson has frequently reminded us. Of course we occasionally get a little cognitive dissonance here when we discuss and/or favor positions different from what we understand that Meier and/or the Plejaren espouse.
Both crop circles and astrology are good examples because, in the case of astrology, I was attacked for even daring to discuss something because of all of its tabloid superficiality, fortune-telling associations, as well as the clear information from Meier about how inaccurate our known versions are, and in the case of the crop circles, the same people who quoted Meier and admonished me were the ones (okay, the main one) who most vocally opposes Meier’s information about the causes and parties behind many of their formations.
To be clear regarding the crop circles – I don’t know. I always thought that they must be extraterrestrial in origin, which Meier’s information disagrees with, and I’m glad to host the discussion to learn more. The same holds true about astrology with the exception that I also can’t deny my own experiences, though I certainly am not making a blanket endorsement about the entire matter.
But since it’s taken the Plejaren so long to figure out and correct the information pertaining to all the alleged extraterrestrial contactee situations and Ashtar Sheran, we certainly owe it to ourselves to think for ourselves and to not rely even on the Plejaren to know everything pertaining to extraterrestrial matters.
Let’s not become like those evangelical, fundamentalists who always quote the “word of God” from the Bible but then, when something really doesn’t make sense, can be seriously questioned, etc., they say, “Well, that isn’t really what God meant.” Right, so now they’re “God”, which happens to be true but the reality of that statement would be blasphemous and unacceptably incomprehensible to them as well. Big problem.
People forget that by choosing any religion or belief system, any “God”, that they are the ones who authorize and give supreme legitimacy to it. So, aren’t they the “God” then, the authority that knows what’s really true? Their fall back is that it’s “written in the Bible”, provoking my criticism that all religions rest on the illogical, inadmissible premise that, “What’s in this book is true…because this book says it’s true.”
And we’re back to square one.
So let’s not be afraid at all of, in fact let’s welcome, exercising our critical thinking at every opportunity. Question beliefs, authorities, experts, etc., and certainly let’s not quote them to justify wanting to shut down debate on things out of either fear or certainty.
The truth always wins out in the end.
I’ll say amen to that, Michael, if not also hallelujah.
And of course,
Cheers!
🙂
Perhaps there are many, that have, at one time or another, been delusional about our own self-importance and, in going further, wanting another to submit to this self-importance. And when we do this, we are strengthening confusion / conflict within ourselves. However, if another does not think that I’m as all-important, as I do, then there is a possibility for self-awareness.
If only one would reflect…
I agree with you. It is in their own interest, for people to be respectful, tolerate, kind, friendly and caring of others. They hurt themselves with their unworthiness.
Hi Michael,
Of course, you made a very important point below.
“Both crop circles and astrology are good examples because, in the case of astrology, I was attacked for even daring to discuss something because of all of its tabloid superficiality, fortune-telling associations, as well as the clear information from Meier about how inaccurate our known versions are, and in the case of the crop circles, the same people who quoted Meier and admonished me were the ones (okay, the main one) who most vocally opposes Meier’s information about the causes and parties behind many of their formations.”
And I would like to add the following quote. This was written to me recently by a long time blogger, who will go unnamed.
“…unfortunately, Dyson has taken to quote Meier literally and that, in my opinion, is far from what BEAM is espousing. Dyson has a huge following, the keyword is “following.” It has become a cult unto itself regardless of what “truth” comes out of it. For the moment, let’s just agree that he is doing a service on translations.”
Anyone who doesn’t take the time to do a personal investigation into a matter/subject, and thinks he has a right to an opinion about it, isn’t very smart, and/or acting foolishly.
As I’ve said before, this is your blog, run it as you see fit. I think you’re doing a great job.
Michael,
Well said. I think we must all agree there.
Tony,
To be fair* to Dyson, HE has been the one from the get go saying we should NOT take Billy at his word. This has been a constant theme of his over the last few months here. He has even expressly said Billy/P’s have “lied” about things. Thus, I don’t understand what your unnamed blogger is saying. Yes, he did quote Billy in regards to astrology, but his main argument about astrology has not been “well, Billy says so and so…”. Indeed, this is antithetical to Dyson’s entire approach (and the approach Meier advocates). The thrust of Dyson’s attacks against your claims about astrology do not have to do with what Billy said, but rather your abysmal track record and unwillingness or inability to substantiate any of your claims.
Dyson says he has taken some time to investigate the matter of astrology, and he found little to no merit. You have offered us abosolutley nothing for him to think otherwise. Keep attacking, calling him, stupid, dimwitted, foolish, whatever… but you would be a lot more effective if you simply substantiated your claims.
I saw you gave some predictions…I guess we’ll have to wait and see.
In the meantime…Give him** a reading! I’m sure he’d be honest enough to admit if it rang eerily true.
*I can’t speak for others, but would take issue if it is suggested I am part of a cult following of Dyson. I simply respect him because of his valuable translations, and because he has pointed me in the direction of some very compelling information. Also, unlike others, I am not offended but rather appreciative that he (like Meier) admonishes us to learn German.
*(my exact time of birth is unknown unfortunately…)
Hi Andy, I too have an unknown birth time so am hooped. I also take issue with the “perceived” cult following of Dyson. Sounds likes someone is JEALOUS LOL. That can only be from a person who thinks people are too stupid and can’t think for themselves. Whoever that unknown person is, was probably a priest in his former life. Plus I did my own crap circle research and still reside firmly on the fence.
Andy,
You said,”but rather your abysmal track record and unwillingness or inability to substantiate any of your claims.” I suggest that you read my post on the Astrology blog, because you are incorrect in every regard.
As far as Dyson, I’m sure the blogger is correct, and I will not waste any more time on him, or anyone who defends him.
“So let’s not be afraid at all of, in fact let’s welcome, exercising our critical thinking at every opportunity. Question beliefs, authorities, experts, etc., and certainly let’s not quote them to justify wanting to shut down debate on things out of either fear or certainty.”
I agree too, Michael. Now I wish the Figu forum would get the memo. They just put the kibosh on my John Titor comparison to the Meier case.
Cheers!
Oh well, later on you can go back in time and reopen it. But I think that video about the guy who’s probably behind the possible hoax does pose problems.
Are you talking about Hoax Hunter? These videos are ridiculous. People can’t seem to get their heads wrapped around events and events that might happen on a parallel worldline. There is a divergence between these parallel worlds that accounts for events playing out differently from worldline to worldline. So Hoax Hunter says the Titor case is not real because his prophecies have not played out? This is simply not accounting for the differences, however slight, that may exist. The best analysis to debunk the Titor case, imo, from Hoax hunter was their analysis between the Titor text and Morey Haber. That was at least interesting. I’m not claiming Titor was real or a hoax, but rather eerily similar to the Meier case in terms of science and prophecies. But Figu seems to want to sweep this under the rug and say, “get lost… nothing to see here.” Go learn German or something.
Look I don’t want to fire up a John Titor discussion here. I would rather be allowed to finish this discussion on the Figu forum. However, there seems to be zero tolerance for any UFO case/phenomena outside the Meier one. This is nothing more than a sign of weakness and fear.
Plus the strong arm of a moderator.
Michael,
Would you agree that, “… Billy/P’s have “lied” about things.” As Andy said above.
No, not to my knowledge. I think that they’ve concealed things when they thought it was necessary and at times didn’t know…or were wrong about something, which they seem pretty quick to admit.
That’s not to say that everything we may either not agree with or not understand is actually some fancy footwork on their or Billy’s part. Considering the breadth and depth of their task and responsibilities the possibilities of human error are certainly present.
I agree with you. I have been studying the Meier material since 1988, and I have read 90%-95% of the material that’s in English. I have never noticed that Billy, or the Ps, intentionally lied.
So, let’s see, according to Dyson, Billy shot and killed 70 people and he lies. What’s next, he regularly beat his wife? Such nonsense.
Well, having established that we’re all more or less human and fallible, let’s see if we can get back on topic…forbidden or otherwise.
I too do NOT think the Ps and Billy have “lied” about things. But I do think that Billy and his aliens at times ONLY tell the truth from a certain point of view. Take “Star Wars” for example. Luke questions Ben by asking him why he said “Vader killed his father” and then Luke finds out that Darth Vader is actually his father. Ben says that because his father ceased being Anakin Skywalker, and became Darth Vader, he told the truth from a certain point of view. So from a certain point of view, the good Anakin had ‘died’ and became the evil Darth Vader.
The Ps and Billy, at times, treat the public like Ben Kenobi treated Luke Skywalker by trying to keep people in the dark, without telling them lie. This run-around is healthy in my opinion so that people can think for themselves instead of always taking Meier for his literal (and final) word.
This article may correlate with what you’re saying.
Thank you. What some people don’t see is that Billy Meier is not going to break Creational laws and directives intentionally, or apply them incorrectly. It is a crime against Creation to lie to evade the truth. Billy would not do this and risk being a bad example for the people and the teaching. BUT, there is nothing that goes against the Creation to “conceal” a truth for protection. This is the run-around that is happening in the Meier material. The way I see it, it’s a great puzzle for the mind. I personally would love to HACK this bleep and get to the clear truth. We should not have allegiance to what any person says, including Billy or Dyson or whomever, only to the TRUTH.
Anthony,
Throw the wrench in with imperfection, and honest mistakes, and you really have a mixed bag to work with… 🙂
Anthony and all,
Right…So lets look at all the facts Dyson forwards that substantiate his claim of the non-terrestrial origin of certain CC’s for goodness sake! No one is addressing it. Look at it, and try to come up with more plausible alternative. If that is not possible–and I dont think it is– than Meier is “concealing the truth” on the matter of CC’s (as you rightly point out he is capable of).
And I whole heartedly agree we should show allegiance solely to the truth, and not anyone’s word (the truth being discovered through knowledge and logic, that is, piecing together evidence).
With that spirit in mind, lets turn more closely to the two ‘forbidden topics’ at hand and the differing approaches by which they have been supported here:
Crop Circles
Dyson has put forth voluminous amounts of information substantiating his claims that some CC’s are non-terrestrial made. Know one, as far as I have seen, has directly addressed any of the offered up evidence; that is, they have not even engaged with the truth-discovery process on the matter. Rather, they simply say “I think so and so (basically, just because)” or “I believe Billy on the matter.” The latter has been particularly worn out (despite the fact we all agree Billy is capable of “concealing”), and Dyson simply keeps pointing at the evidence…which continues to go unchallenged.
Actually, that is not completely fair, Tony for one did look at some of the evidence; he in fact agreed with Dyson, acknowledging the balls-of-light phenomenon found to attend certain CC’s, and conceded that this, among other things, likely does point to ET origin.
But Professional Swindler sophist attacks Dyson with name calling because Dyson challenges the authenticity of terrestrial astrology. Fine. But lets now contrast Dyson’s approach in defending the non-terrestrial origin of CC’s (putting forward voluminous evidence) versus Swindler’s approach in defending astrology.
Astrology
Tony claims astrology, as practiced by him, is supremely useful and accurate. But his track record on predictions show otherwise. And, no one has yet vouched for the stunning accuracy of any of his readings. That is to say, he has put forth absolutely no evidence to substantiate his claims (quite the opposite). When he is challenged to do so, he simply diverts; he whines, he moans, and in a very childlike manner he says he wont speak to ones who are mean to him–or even to ones who simply disagree/are skeptical! Unbelievable. He spends all his time “clearing his name”…which could be done in an instant if he would simply back his claims.
He does write things like “Natal astrology is so and so…”, “Chinese astrology is wrong because so and so,” “Edgar Cayce can only be 60% accurate because this and that reason…”.
This is not evidence. This is not reasoned argument pointing to the conclusion that his astrology is legit. They are simply more premises. More unsubstantiated premises.
And for one am not even completely closed to the possibility that some on Earth can practice an insightful and valuable astrology. Michael shared a compelling anecdote about the power of astrology. But Tony’s tiresome attitude and utter refusal to substantiation his claims…has been a big turn off, to say the least.
In conclusion, again, like Anthony, I encourage everyone to not lend blind belief to what any one person says, but to follow the Truth (as gleaned through knowledge and logic [i.e., evidence and rational discourse]) to the best their ability.
Unlike Tony, who apparently beat up bullies on the playground, and “brings war” when he feel others want it, I have long been confrontation-shy, and likely too an unhealthy degree. But, uncharacteristically, I simply had to say my peace on this due to the complete inane-ness being demonstrated here of late.
[I’m Paul Harvey] Good day.
Peace in Wisdom.
A little clarification here. First, my own opinion has long been that there simply “must” be an “outside” source for the complex, beautiful crop circles. Of course…I don’t know.
Second, When Meier states something as clearly and unambiguously as he has, repeatedly, about the crop circles and about Dyson’s certainty about their authorship being the Zeta Reticulum beings, he’s not concealing anything, he’s not mincing words, just being a rogue, etc.
It doesn’t mean he’s right or wrong about any or all of it/them. My bet is that he’s right about at least some of them. Let’s remember that what he’s saying is giving his opinion based on his knowledge and experience.
Also, I personally subscribe to the idea, that the teaching that the might of the thoughts can and does trump everything if one chooses to apply it. That doesn’t mean that I don’t want to know, contemplate, work with, refer to, etc., any good information on outside influences, be it the weather, astrological information, etc.
And I also agree that the burden of proof is on Tony to support the idea that astrology would trump the might of our thoughts. So we have a forum of sorts here for him to make his case…and to learn from those who are making reasoned arguments, etc., here too.
P.S.
Maybe others can help me out here. I so far don’t know where he’s been wrong, glaringly wrong, with the exception (possibly) of what he had amintained about lee Elders for 20 years. And that’s a big wrong to have have maintained. However, as I recall, it was based on the information from the Plejaren, who themselves had apparently accepted as true the things said against Lee by someone else, an American I think.
Now the Plejaren have recently admitted/corrected their information on contatactees. Of course hte quaint problem that we have is that we’re getting information from (as far as most people may be concerned) “alleged” extraterrestrials about other alleged extraterrestrials, etc. – talk about plausible deniability!
So, since the errors noted (and maybe some that slipped my mind) seem to have originated with the Plejaren, the problem may just be that it’s hard to get good, flawless, extraterrestrial help these days. Blame it on our government’s immigration policies or whatever.
So, bottom line, if Meier’s information turns out to be wrong, ot any degree, about the crop circles then it will certainly be interesting, as well as the exception and hardly the rule. Of course there’s also the chemtrail issue, which Meier has explained contradicting popular (conspiratorial) opinion.
Again, we’ll have to wait and see.
Thank you Rob for looking at the bigger picture. It should be obvious that Billy Meier is a man of truth and lying would NEVER be his bag. 🙂
Dear Andy,
You are saying, “Dyson has put forth voluminous amounts of information substantiating his claims that some CC’s are non-terrestrial made. Know one, as far as I have seen, has directly addressed any of the offered up evidence…”
My friend, I am NOT an expert on crop circles nor do I really get off on them. I think crop circles make wonderful calendar pictures though; but I would hate to take my “natural wonders” 2014 calendar down since we are almost two months in already.
I am in agreement with Michael Horn; I do not have enough information to say one way or the other if there is an ET presence. But I do know that these crop circles are coming from multiple sources, and not just space aliens if that is occurring.
Just like poor Tony is an expert in HIS FIELD of astrology, and likes to have the last word, his boy Dyson is the same thing of an expert, but with crop circles. I doubt Dyson has access to a Plejaren telemeter probe to find out for CERTAINTY that CCs are ALIEN. This is nonsense to be so specific. And then Dyson wants to ignore the extensive and magnanimous information Billy and the Ps have released on crop circles, from which to read between the lines? I DON’T really think that in the case of crop circles, that Billy or the Ps are “beating around the bush.” I think they are being strait up and forward.
What a lot of people are forgetting about crop circles is that it takes people away from the truth (Billy Meier case and spirit teaching) to learn from ‘another’ extraterrestrial contact or case. If you agree that the Plejaren are a urgent presence to help ourselves and our planet, “…our future survival” then this should be the PARAMOUNT focus of any Universal space alien group visiting Earth. In other words, “Billy and Figu have it under control, there is no need to give the earth people any more contacts.” All that anyone would need to get the most out of space aliens are the thousands, and thousands of pages of Figu material covering a universe of subjects, with common sense commentary and instructions. Crop circles, if indeed extraterrestrial, would only be overkill and leading people away from the truth to get wrapped up in an interesting mystery. The Plejaren would not support these aliens making crop circles on this sick planet. Nor would their Federation.
So maybe they are bad aliens, like the BAFATH or Ashtar Sheran? Maybe??? But these mystery space aliens better have much BETTER technology than the Ps who can easily find out things, with their high level of tech and consciousness! Plus it seems that the Plejaren have gotten better at detecting these bad space aliens and taking them out of business, as with the fore mentioned examples.
So really, when you consider that secret groups and governments have had secret technology for almost 100 years, given Meier’s information this should be easy to see how these crop circles could easily be ALL terrestrial in origin. A no brainer if you give credence to Meier’s truthfulness about crop circles.
Best regards!
Though I had to somewhat point out, 6 fingers on one hand isn’t exactly the definitive evidence of extra-terrestrial when I know 2 Samuel references 6 fingered giants and they’re perfectly classed as terrestrials as far as I’m aware. It would look odd to us today to see someone walk down the street with 6 fingers (5 + thumb) though as most people probably are not going to know that little blurb in the Bible.
Very well put. This is exactly what I have written and defended in the last 20 years or older. Most of philosophy after Kant seeks a exclusive material-objective logic, leaving the rest in the (de)service of religion. Would need to go back to Plato, Plotinus, Orientals and other ancient or inspired by them (Bergson and others), where philosophy is not different from wisdom. The deficiency spiritual of academic philosophy explains much of the confusion of terrestrial humanity, the lack of responsability, which falls on methods of self help and business quite disconnected from a broader wisdom. It is our condition, unhapilly (and astrology is NOT a solution to this, even if someone claims a million times the opposite..)
Anthony,
If, as you say, “It is a crime against Creation to lie to evade the truth.” I’d like to know what then is the “punishment” (or “effect” as a spiritual person would say). 🙂
Hey Rob,
You “punish” yourself. By going against the laws of Creation and not following directives you are only hurting yourself and your evolution. The more in line with the Creation that you become, the more that you are able to progress, improve, grow, etc. as a human being.
Best regards!
Hi Anthony,
In layman’s term, to someone who doesn’t know about the Laws of Creation, what does that actually mean? How is he/she punished to the self in terms of evolution? (Just trying to find out how you would explain that when such a person asks.) So, let’s say that person says he/she can “justify” lying for a particular situation … and you can see it was for a good cause, in good conscience as well.
Perhaps using the person in the FIGU bulletin question example would make for a easier discussion. If the murder wants to know where the person is, play with each of the outcomes and see how the Laws of Creation effect is to each person? There are three parties involved, the refugee, the murder, the person protecting the refugee. I think this kind of reasoning helps to see the application of Creational Law. 🙂
Here is the Robot Chicken comedy version, to help clear up the understanding of “a certain point of view” and get a few laughs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSOBeD1GC_Y
🙂
Andy,
You are misunderstanding, and what you said concerning me and astrology is incorrect. Again, astrology is a subject that takes many years to understand and use correctly.
Andy,
You are totally incorrect about me, astrology, and my predictions. Read my rebuttal to the stupid 4% statement on the astro thread, before you side with Dyson, who knows nothing about astrology. And your insults don’t hurt me, they hurt you. Try being intelligent and peaceful about things, I think you will like it. I suggest that you read all of my posts on astrology BEFORE you speak about it again, unless you want to sound closed-minded and stupid.
Have a great day.
Oh the Forbidden topics… always the best ones:)
To just think about too.
I really enjoyed reading “The Fatal Flaws of Faith and belief” was a refreshing view into the depths of our worlds illogical thought patterns. Which are so eloquently(sarcasm) portrayed to us all on this planet… if we wish to see. More importantly, it was interesting to see the truth within logic matched side by side with our world.
“Just how would a race of people who know, not believe but
know, that life, survival and evolution rest on self-responsibility and true spirituality, not on turning our individual and collective power over to imaginary gods, religious intermediaries, politicians, false
“leaders”, etc. approach a world like ours where just such abdication of self-responsibility is at the core of most of the world’s belief systems, and to which most of its population adheres in one form or another?”.
To many thoughts to write about everything, but the above paragraph rang out to me. It truly is all about us and how we will change to get out of the mess we have created. As always, I like many others must have proactive patience.
Great insight Michael enjoyed it:)
As far as Astrology goes, I have no personal insight or interest in the matter. So I cant say more..
Yet crop circles I have to say, personally interests me a little more. If a “peer review” of the free kind is offered.. It seems logical to me that “some” of them are extraterrestrial in origin. In time I am sure we will know for sure! Yet, one thing is for sure. We know who made some nice tracks in the grass in Switzerland. No need to speculate on them.
It is funny how any aspect of life can turn into a religion of its own… I guess most know nothing else!
Like two sports teams(and fans) going at it… They sit and drool over the spectacle in unison to their sides while seemingly coexisting with the other side.. until it is over. Then they beat the crap out of each other(verbally, physically, mentally) for no reason other than a differing belief in something that doesn’t mean anything at all… While the “players” are pedestal ed and given unjustified attention and resources for nothing other than performing a “show”.
It seems Dyson is now amongst the “gods” for one “anonymous” blogger.(And Tony apparently as he posted it)
Yet, he wont comment to anyone who has anything to say about it anymore. Is this situational? YEE HAA
I would have never gotten to where I am if not for Dyson and Vivienne! Personally within myself that means I have great respect for them therein… Same as Michael and many others here who have through their words and “actions”, given us a glimpse of who they are as individuals. Good or bad. The best knowledge ONE can gain, will come with our fellow brothers and sisters by our sides.
Philip,
You said, “It seems Dyson is now amongst the “gods” for one “anonymous” blogger.(And Tony apparently as he posted it)
Yet, he wont comment to anyone who has anything to say about it anymore. Is this situational? YEE HAA”
You are totally incorrect. It’s exactly the opposite.
Michael asks us to stay on topic, but I will explain things, if my name is mentioned. Translators deserve credit and appreciation, but when they are incorrect, that should be pointed out. They should not be lifted up into a position of leadership, or authority, just because they can translate a book of importance. Historically, translators have always made many serious mistakes, and even deliberate falsifications of written material. So, keep that in mind.
Michael and I have criticized Dyson correctly, and I would have remained completely intellectual and peaceful, if that had been Dyson’s approach, but it wasn’t. Instead he attacked ignorantly and personally, like a schoolyard bully, and I’m not going to tell you what I did to every bully I encountered, but it wasn’t pleasant.
If someone wants peace, I will give him peace, if he wants war, he will get war. But I will not cease pointing out mistakes, slander, or other nonsense, when it comes up, especially if my name is mentioned.
Back on topic.
Michael said, “So let’s not be afraid at all of, in fact let’s welcome, exercising our critical thinking at every opportunity. Question beliefs, authorities, experts, etc., and certainly let’s not quote them to justify wanting to shut down debate on things out of either fear or certainty.”
“The truth always wins out in the end.”
From http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Erra
“There are virtually never any incompatible couples due to the use of advanced astrology and other social sciences.
Thus there are virtually never any divorces on Erra and furthermore, all childrens’ well-being is guaranteed.”
Yes, of course, if you are a spiritual and intellectual person, that is what you do, think and investigate for yourself. Astrology is a very important science that the Ps use in every part of their lives on their home planet, and it can be used correctly here on Earth. I have proved that to myself, and to 1000s of other people in my career. So, I suggest that everyone keep an open-mind towards it, and towards the possibility that I use it correctly. I suggest that everyone read my posts on the Astrology thread, you will learn important information.
Tony,
I think we can all now leave aside the past personal disagreements, excesses, etc., and meet the challenges posed more neutrally. As Dyson and others have pointed out too, a certain amount of friction is indeed necessary for development and growth, when properly utilized.
I also think that people can rightly say that you’re making a leap between what the Plejaren are said to be capable of doing with their advanced understanding of astrology and that “it can be used correctly here on Earth” without providing sufficient details, substantiation, etc., for that. While it’s true that you have spent more time in researching and developing your understanding, methods, etc., than most other people interested in the topic, I also think that it would be beneficial to “chunk it down” and present your substantiation step by step, in small steps, in order for people to not just take what you’re saying on “faith”.
While predictions per se are interesting and something that astrology may be applied to, why not flesh out what its essential value is to a person from your point of view and explain how that is so? Since you quote the example regarding interpersonal relationships, that could be as good a reference point as any for you to explain how and why you think that what you have developed is on par with the Plejaren astrology, as it applies to us on Earth.
You can think of it as a little class if you wish and if anyone is interested in pursuing that, in which case the astrology blog is the best place for it.
Hi Tony, I’m interested to know your tactics in dealing with every schoolyard bully you ever encountered.
Hi Sheila,
I met violence with self-defense. I learned how to box at age 7, and I began studying and practicing Kung Fu at 14.
Hi Michael,
First, I am certainly willing to leave the past in the past and focus on the present and the future, but if my name is smeared, I will clear it. I think that’s fair, and I think you would agree.
Second, in my professional opinion, I have explained the correct astrology well enough in the astrology thread. If someone disagrees with that statement, I’m open to suggestions, as to how to do it better.
Now, as to your suggestion, ” You can think of it as a little class if you wish and if anyone is interested in pursuing that, in which case the astrology blog is the best place for it.” I am in favor of doing that, but I would have to charge for it, I am a professional astrologer, this is my livelihood, and my time is limited. But that isn’t part of the rules of this blog. So, again, people will have to contact me privately for readings, or just let the predictions come true, for any proof that they may need. I see no other way of doing it.
Regardless of what has transpired, people should not attack astrology, or me regarding it, without doing a serious long term study of it(then they would have a right to an opinion of it). That’s illogical, and shows a closed-minded skeptical mentality, that is incorrect behavior. I think you would agree with that statement also.
Michael, I think you know, I’m not on this blog only for astrological reasons. I think you also know, that I will cooperate with you regarding the astrology thread, in any way that you see fit. It’s your blog. I do know there are only a few people who are interested in astrology in the correct way, and will conduct themselves correctly towards me and it. That has been the case through out my career. I look forward to working with those people, if that materializes.
Thank you.
Tony astro says, “…I am certainly willing to leave the past in the past and focus on the present and the future, but if my name is smeared, I will clear it.”
Dude, your name is not smeared. The truth prevails! People expose themselves as bringers of truth or bringers of nonsense, regardless where they stand in the public’s eyes. All you should do as a responsible human being is do your best to bring truth. We are all black sheep, as Meier supporters in the first place. I submit to you it is better to be a black sheep among black sheep than it is to be followed, admired, adored, etc. among the herd. Go your own way!
Hi Anthony,
I understand your “black sheep” analogy, but I prefer to call us Light Workers. We are attempting to shine the light of truth, into the darkness of ignorance and stupidity, which is the most difficult work on Earth.
Ok , Like MOST ,i have NO knowledge on the CC’s , ONLY information. I have never seen one being made , nor seen one in front of me.
But the interesting fact is that ,through the extensive research i have done within public libraries and the media , and through the internet , i fail to see any evidence pertaining to Crop Circles prior to say 1940?
I was certain when i was researching i would “obviously find” something , in artworks, literature ,history books etc etc etc Like the UFO’s portrayal have been exposed in art and literature have been ……But nothing of Crop Circles ,Making the So called claims of terrestrial “society/intervention a plausible possibility , seeing as though there just “isnt ” the history there .
Salome .Wayne Sunter-Smith
Hi Wayne, actually there is:
http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/column/deadsea.html
“Precious few references have been found in early historical records that point to possible crop circles. Probably the most renowned is the “Mowing Devil” case of 1678, in which a farmer’s field was said to have been visited by a devilish entity that trampled the crops down in a circle. The event was captured for posterity on a wood engraving, but today’s modern cerealogical sceptics dismiss its relevance. Professor Robert Plot published a book entitled “A Natural History of Staffordshire” in 1686, in which he made passing reference to rings, circles and other shapes found in grassy fields. Much debate has ensued over Plot’s observations; detailed as his notes were, some researchers still consider his evidence flimsy at best. They feel it more likely that Plot was describing “fairy rings” caused by common fungi. For many more, the jury is still out.”
I’ve seen fairy rings and they aren’t the same as crop circles.
Hi Michael,
A few clarifications:
1. You said, “I also think that people can rightly say that you’re making a leap between what the Plejaren are said to be capable of doing with their advanced understanding of astrology and that “it can be used correctly here on Earth” without providing sufficient details, substantiation, etc., for that.” – Astrology can be used here on Earth the way the Ps use it, if the precision of the birth time is correct, which it can be, and I have explained that in my posts. Again, in my opinion, substantiation can only come through life readings and accuracy of predictions.
2. You said, “… in order for people to not just take what you’re saying on “faith”.” – I never us the word “faith” in reference to science, and if you’re referring to blind faith, that is always stupid.
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3. You said, “…why you think that what you have developed is on par with the Plejaren astrology, as it applies to us on Earth.” – I never said “on par with Plejaren astrology”. As a matter of fact, I implied that the Ps astrology is better, because of superior computer technology.
I want to reiterate that I am open to teaching an astrology class on the astro thread, if I have enough students – 3 would be enough. As I said, there will be a charge for the class.
Thank you.
Hi Tony,
I want to suggest something for you. As you know, there are a lot of people who offer free information online, not only in blogs, articles, interviews, video clips, etc., as I also do, but also in terms of some free introductory lessons for promoting and inviting people to take their classes, programs, etc. Of course we can also accurately say that Billy Meier’s information, including aspects of the spiritual teaching, is the best example of it.
This is done with all sorts of things and I think that if you were to offer something like that, an introductory program that gave enough content so as to encourage interested parties to take your course, then it would be clearer as to what you teach and how people can use it. It would help to communicate much better what you want people to know which, based on a number of comments, is not yet clear to them.
Tony,
With all due respect, you did use words relating to “perfection” to your form of astrology. I think most can agree that careful use of words would reduce unnecessary friction with everyone, especially a group of this latitude of understanding of the Meier material.
In so far as I understand, if someone claims they have PERFECTED their practice of Astrology on Earth, it is the same as claiming it is equivalent to the P’s for all intensive purposes, computing power notwithstanding. There is only one definition of perfection that I am aware of and it is absolute. Now that you clarify in statement #3, I think others can also see where some of the issues might have been on that blog.
This conversation should remain in that blog, IMO.
Yes, please continue any specific astrology focused comments in that blog. Thanks.
Rob,
I replied to you on the astro thread.
Dear Tony,
Here is the danger in Astrology for the earth human. As we know religion is responsible for humans dropping their personal responsibility and leaving their lives in the “hand of God.” This of course is contrary to what we learn in the spirit teaching that everything is self-created. The problem for astrology arises when people become confused and think that their lives are now in the hands of the energy coming from the stars. And that “free will” does not come into play because the energies surrounding our birth and lives plays a predetermined role. Although we know that the stars, and energy, can effect the human being in predictable ways, it is not SET I
N STONE. People have the ability to go against anything an astrology prediction can foretell using their free will and their capacity for self-creation. The danger arises when a student puts too much stock into astrology and circumvents their lives, give up free will and self-responsibility, to leave it up to the stars. This is why, imo, Meier talks out of both sides of his mouth with regard to astrology.
Take care my friend!
Hi Anthony,
You seem to want to discuss things intelligently, so, I will participate.
You said, “People have the ability to go against anything an astrology prediction can foretell using their free will and their capacity for self-creation.” In my opinion, that is incorrect, there are many things in one’s life that are “set in stone”, as you put it. That is why the Ps, and many other people, use astrology in their lives. Of course, we have free will, but the astrological forces are much more powerful than our will, in many cases, and do cause and create things in our lives beyond our control.
I suggest that you read and study what Semjase said in:
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_009
Below is a portion of it.
“179.The New Age already demands its tribute, religious delusion, rapidly developing sciences, rampant crime, and wars of extirpation, characteristics of this time which can not be ignored.
180.The first half of the transition period lasted 92 years, until 1936, while the Earth felt the last of the “Age of Pisces” (as it was called).
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181.Since that time, rapidly evolving events, discoveries, inventions, etc., were characteristic as for no other time.
182.This whole sun-system with all its innumerable creatures is under the CONTROL of the new age.
183.*****Each and everything is influenced by it, because this is a cosmic law.*****
184.It is to this law, to which are SUBJECT all movements of planets and ALL forms of life in the Universe, that the earth proceeds in the run of cosmic events since 1844, which according to evolution replaces all hitherto existing regulations not of the Creational character.
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186.The origin of this epochal change is in the radiation effect of the huge central sun around which your system circles once in 25,860 years and passes through 12 epochs within the meaning of your astrologer’s Zodiacs.
187.The Earth has already touched the outer borders of the “Golden Radiation” of the central sun, which are of the strongest and most revolutionary radiation.
The astrological forces control, create, and cause many things on Earth, including in the lives of individuals.
Tony, you just kicked off a bouncing betty here.
1936 happens to correspond to the rise of Adolf Hitler, reoccupation of the Rhineland, Anti-Comintern Pact, and blatant building up of the Wehrmacht which is stuff that should be well known to folks. Seeing as you quoted the Plejarans, they’re WELL AWARE of the not talked about history revolving around that period if you did not get the memo. Whilst, you suggest they’re solely talking about astrological influences, never forget the much greater forces working at that time that demanded tribute and whose tribute they’re paying by stating such memorable phrases as Sig Heil, which could be interpreting as hailing the Sun or New Age in a literal manner. The alleged Quetzel is the expert in WW2 IIRC.
I seriously doubt the stars and astrology DIRECTLY caused folks to become unhinged to lead to WW2 if you want to look at it another way.
Unless, you want us to believe otherwise here Tony?????
Axial Precession from 1936 aside, we have other problems with planetary bodies and LARGE COMETS in our side of the sun to worry about:
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_228
Quetzal again with some pointed historical information and go to expert. Semjase I would say did a good job in not saying too-too much.
Duke,
As usual, most of what you said is incorrect, but I neither have the time, nor the desire, to explain it to you. I would consider that a waste of my time, because I don’t think you are capable of understanding what I would tell you. I suggest that you read all of my posts on the astro thread, open your mind to the truth, and LEARN something.
Dear Tony,
You need to re-read my last post about the dangers of astrology. That says it all. I think that as a human being you are all worked up and feel that you need to be recognized as the student of Meier and of astrology. Your frustration has lead you to feel that people here are “incorrect” — and you are missing their valuable words.
I don’t know much about astrology nor do I care. However, I like to understand what the future brings, as well as learn from the past. What you don’t see is that your astrology work — matters; and it is good that you are trying to apply the Meier information to make your astrology better. For all we know, as for earth humans, you may be at the top of your game. You certainly get high marks from Michael Horn; and you should consider yourself a ‘good’ astrologer since Michael, a person close to Billy, could choose others but he chooses you for this service.
But that pesky ole Dyson? He has smeared your business? No, my friend, it it you who are smearing your astrology business, all by yourself, by crying like a bleep. And you are exposing a form of jealousy by being so concerned with what Dyson THINKS as well as his people, that you have become obsesed. Treat Dyson neutrally. Or have him participate in a comedy schtick with you. But you my friend are HUGELY UNBALANCED in your thinking.
The key to seeing your error with astrology is that you put too much stock in it. Probably because you have invested sooo much time in the art and it is your profession. You are the expert, no doubt. All we are saying that a healthy approach would be to see the importance of celestial influences and also see the importance of self-responsibility and free will… and then find a balance. That way you are still being positive about astrology, but you put it in it’s place by settling on a neutral assessment. In other words, you can forget about yourself being the GREATEST ASTROLOGER, and focus on finding the truth.
btw- the reason that the Ps can rely on astrology is because their science is better to determine the variables and they are living within the Creational laws and directives and being self-responsible people. The earth human is NOT at this level and therefore, the science behind astrology is flawed and the people are not responsible enough… period.
Please dear Tony, go in peace. Do not feel harmed by this blog. And be thankful that your dear friend Michael has given you valuable space on this blog for you to learn this lesson with all these astrology threads. I hope that you take a deep breath and read this post and the one before carefully and not jump to the conclusion that you are right because you are the astrology expert and I am not.
Kind regards,
Anthony
Tony,
Just curious, why do you want to burn bridges with people and personally feel the need to be combative and want to point out “incorrect” nature of other folks? Have I stated to you YOUR astrology was “incorrect”?
I recall and I clearly stated I do NOT know what your personal corrected, augmented, advanced, improved, ultra astrology is! Not even an executive summary was provided.
So what’s up man, why all the negative vibes and directly insulting the intelligence of people you refuse to even WORD things in a friendly manner? You feel like most of us are wasting our time here and we’re not intelligent enough to get it? What horse are you riding on DUDE?
If it hasn’t dawned onto you already, telling people not being capable of understanding is probably a very impolite way of saying quite clearly they’re dumb or unintelligent. IN FACT, that seems to be somewhat terrible Public Relations response you seem oblivious to as if copy-cut-pasting that response will EARN you some sort of respect when it doesn’t. I’m not the only one you stated to be dumb, so imagine how everyone else sees that, if you care to.
I’m amazed I have to spell that out but someone has to deliver the message after 200+ posts here after 2 weeks.
PS: the 1936 Olympics in Berlin also was the first time the Olympic torch was ran into a stadium and a fire lit in a cauldron. Neat stuff. Do you want to say that is incorrect to?
Anthony,
Your assessment of me and astrology, is mostly incorrect, and if you continue with that attitude and line of thinking, our conversation will stop. I’m sure you don’t care if it stops, that’s fine by me too.
Have a great day.
Tony,
I am sincerely friendly about you and hope that we can continue discussing things. I don’t mind be “incorrect.” Please my friend, none of my posts to you have been unfriendly; I want you to be my friend. I think some people have been extra harsh on you. Some you need and other that is just hurtful. I want you to be happy here and a friend. You are so unbalanced that you can’t see how friendly I’ve been to you. Please, read it again; but this time don’t hold any negative feelings about what I have to say or if I am trying to hurt you. You are just as important to this blog as anybody else. Thrive!
Anthony,
You say you would like to be friends. Ok, then listen to me.
I am a spiritually and intellectually based person, not a physically and emotionally based one, so, my feelings are never hurt, as you said, by others’ bad behavior. They never hurt me with their despicable behavior, but rather they hurt themselves, because of the Law of Cause and Effect. I am well balanced, patient, generous, helpful, honest, and grateful person. I am willing to hold intelligent conversations with people who are respectful, open-minded, polite, and friendly. But I will not speak to those who act in the opposite fashion, like some on this blog have done. So, my new friend, keep that in mind.
Also, unlike Michael, I will not waste my time with skeptical people. I’m not criticizing him, of course, he has the right to do as he pleases.
We’ll see how it goes between us.
Thank you.
Duke,
Your skeptical attitude does not deserve my cooperation. Try having an open mind more often, I think you will like it.
Tony,
‘Openly skeptical attitude’ about what exactly? Do you know or are you still on some sort of personal crusade not realizing no one is pursuing your version of skepticism when you provided nothing substantive to be skeptical about?
It’s not like you actually gave an executive summary of the Tony V. Astrology so let’s not pretend we’re discussing the same thing as I don’t know what you think my attitude of skepticism is aimed towards. And, since we’re not talking about anything substantive of your EVIDENCE for your CLAIMS, then having a completely ‘open mind’ as you suggest in this scenario is merely having a fortress with its gates unbarred and undone.
So, if you cannot answer some basic questions WHY someone should BELIEVE you, then why do you blame the person asking the question?
I just personally don’t like any correlation to a “cult” especially when it has to do with ME. I have not put anyone on a “pedestal” as you have stated I have done.. in-directly. So if you have an issue with someone, that is yours and his issue. NOT MINE.
And I have no interest in Astrology PERSONALLY and no one, not Dyson, Michael, Billy, or you will ever decide what fits with me, within me.
Just as every human on this earth makes beliefs in religion for themselves… how each human can take what is given and create it to whatever fits within them… almost as if each person can create the religion that they individual find fits within them(even though their “vibes” can be felt). They can obviously also GET RID of it and move to something better. It is all within us individually.
Nothing I know your not already aware off.
It will be a long and lonely road if one thinks they can dissuade someone from seeing truth with the old “cult” thing. For me at least.
I feel very compelled to defend Dyson even more!(though I know he has obviously said all that needs to be said on his part, right or wrong as seen by the rest of us) I wont talk about it anymore, UNLESS I am DRAGGED into it.
As much as you wish to find any reason possible to discredit those that challenge YOUR thoughts… it has no bearing on ME.
This is why you have not read my thoughts when it came to Astrology all this time.(I have been reading all of it) It had nothing to do with me and what I think. No interest usually means No comment for me.
Yet, personally if another “peer review” of the free kind is offered,
I find no reason for ME to have a use for Astrology at this time.
Though I would like to think my mind is wide open!!!
Personally… I just see other issues within this world that have taken most of my thoughts as of late(last 11 years with DP added). How we are going to help change this world in any way(even in thought) to stop the things we have been continuously told need addressing..as quickly as possible!!! It all comes back to for me… how is anything going to help change the urgent things that represent our world. How are we going to change the world for the good, better, best.
I just want to strive for something better..
As usual, it is all easier said than done! Guess we have to start somewhere… with a lot of patience!
A few years back, I stumbled over the work of Gary James Joynes, an Alberta Artist experimenting in cymatics as a means of art-making. Basically, he poured sand on top of a speaker, then resonated different consistent frequencies through the speaker to discover and record the different resulting geometric patterns created in the sand at different frequency levels.
Such a simple way of creating complex geometric patterns got me thinking it might not be so hard for terrestrial humans to perform cymatic experiments on a larger plain… Perhaps in farmers’ fields for example. (How many decibels would it take to resonate a pattern into a field of wheat? Technically possible now? Technically possible in 1890?)
This thought has just now lead me to this informative TEDtalks article:
http://new.ted.com/talks/evan_grant_cymatics
Along with this article:
http://www.cropcirclesecrets.org/crop_circles_sound.html
Thought others might find them interesting too…
Hi Curious yes very interesting links, thank you for those. It didn’t take long for the military industrial complex to take that and make it into a weapon:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Range_Acoustic_Device
If you look at the bottom of this link – further reading – you will see it’s not all about dispersing crowds like they claim since it has been used as a weapon in Afghanistan which killed numerous civilians.
Let’s also not forgot that the Hadron Collider sits aboard the International Space Station. When Chris Hadfield was onboard, Canadians were asked to ask him a question. But of course my question was never answered which was – what are they using the Hadron Collider for? If it were pointed at some obscure field and detonated, would we get the heads up that it was coming? Of course here in Alberta we wouldn’t because our stupid government likes to target the counties who voted for WildRose – you only have to look at the 1,900 kicked in doors and the 1,500 stolen guns by the RCMP thugs at High River last June 2013 with no accountability to see that when our provincial government wants something done, they use all their forces. The RCMP refuse to name the Alberta Government as the criminals who gave them the go ahead and the Alberta Government refuses to reprimand the thugs. RCMP trained by Blackwater aka Xe aka Academi. So it doesn’t surprise me that our area is used as a testing ground for all sorts of crap because they can get away with it.
has anyone heard of bitcoin. The same world currency that is mentioned in some contact notes
Friction becomes light . After some time beating the same keys , finally something is moving . It is a good thing that a blog intended to public disclosure of Meier prophecies and material proofs of beamships can now cater for qualified debates , that would be even better if some leave their exclusivist attitudes .
Great men like Da Vinci , Newton , Einstein and others, believed and esoteric philosophies , nor why , in his judgment , have been properly minds -small , although knowledge always evolves . (Plejaren themselves are not supermen, they also demonstrate weakness in proximity to lower energies, and even accidents occurred with them. It has been suggested in some contact on human qualities in feelings, humor; and that they are not superior, angelical or divine, although more advanced in many ways. )
To fill gaps in development method , there is no substitute for intuition , properly fed by other types of knowledge , as Billy said it well in “Might of toughts” (maybe somewhat disconnected of the rest). I already wrote a personal method , completely away from the logical philosophical methods and materials , based on abstraction and intuition (I will not reproduce here for a summary because that is not my blog ).
Better that each one can find his own, but we need to draw on the knowledge attained , whether accurate or not, and not just the partial information we receive. Semjase said that the intelligente and wise ones can be in the light of truth even if they never mention the world “Creation”. But the concept is important when we consider that Earth humans do not respect natural and cosmic laws. The truth always wins , but the light of truth is definitely not the property of exclusivists and radical ones .
It’s a shame if we move towards advanced and forbidden topics stay always returning to the same fights . It would take new fights , and judging by the delicate nature of certain forbidden topics ( > why they do not speak of creatures and possible hierarchies of the ethereal realms , only hazardous disembodied spirits , as the contact 7 – here’s a thorny issue ) that could be beneficial or detrimental , — from the public, beneficial when people do not even know the whole truth , a view can have a better suggestion about its shortcomings — , since some people do not see that between science and religion are ways of intermediate knowledge , and not admit less rigid assumptions and digressions regarding data and patrolling and policing things that are part of traditional knowledge dressed in a symbolic or relative to other schools and doctrines language knowledge , where the fund would seek the truth without simplistic denials , reading and interpreting between the lines .
Without adapt our knowledge to them, in search of something new, it may be difficult to advance because when people actually process it in a greater view they can actually incorporate it.
(Am I wrong ? Time – and actions – will tell , not those who say himself like standing already in the light of the truth above all the others.)
I’ve theorized a plausible explanation for some of the crop circles awhile back posting at the FIGU US forum. A few things spoken by the Plejaren have clued me into a possible scenario for some of the more unexplainable CC’s.
We are informed through the predictions made by, or through Billy, that Earthlings will one day attain Time Travel and perfect it to a great technology. And another observation the Plejaren discussed was the flight vehicles they were not able to communicate with, yet felt they weren’t here visiting Earth for nefarious intentions. Each time an attempt was made to contact a ship they would disappear instantly and couldn’t be tracked by the Plejaren’s technology. Having unintended contact with your past as a TT can be seen as undesirable and even impossible if we are to understand the information given to us about TT. Ships the Plejaren’s are only able to observe from afar seems like a good candidate for an Earthly TT. Interference would be stopped by the Creational forces in place, if I understand TT to the past as posited by the P’s
Now together with this, it’s possible that CC’s are laid down in fields that are seasonal and can be dated by the always unique formations contained on them then erased after harvesting. If you were just beginning to test your new technology of TT, having a canvas that can be distinctly dated with a time stamp would be advantageous for calibrating such equipment.
So, it could be we are witnessing ourselves in all the sightings of UFO’s that are designated of a “Terrestrial nature”, but just from the future. This keeps CC’s within the hands of Earthlings and maintains a useable reason that CC’s exist. At least the 5% that are certainly not made by ropes and boards.
This also makes sense why it is us who will need to uncover this mystery as explained by Paath.
That makes sense Shawn, what better way to test out new TT technology. I’m not sure if TT was used on Oct. 27, 2008 when the 1,900 lb horse was transported a mile and a half and deposited inside it’s barn stall. But it was dead when it was found the next morning and had a 2 in. x 2 in. hole beside it’s heart, no blood, no tracks, no predators. Fence jumping was ruled out. I had sent Michael a night picture of some sort of craft’s lighting spotted prior to this incident. And it may explain why so many cattle mutilations seem to have been “dropped” from the sky. I don’t know it there is any correlation between TT and cattle/horse (forgot the cats lasered in half) mutilations but thought I’d throw it out there.
I like Shawn’s construct for possibly explaining crop circles, which certainly could incorporate what Meier said about human beings artistically expressing the impulsations. He didn’t stipulate that were only our contemporaries.
Meier has stated that the mutilations are part of secret military ops.
Hi Michael, since it was stated that terrestrial man will some day attain time travel, who exactly do you think would be doing these time travel adventures if not the secret military ops? And of course testing of any kind always starts out with animals.
I don’t know. But maybe by that time there isn’t the need for secret ops.
I assume that it will be after humanity has gone through such great losses that maybe we will be a more reasonable, united world by that time.
Well, remember, the terms “Earth humanity” or “Terrestrials” does not necessarily mean we have an account of EVERY person on the map that can be neatly looked up. This goes hand and hand to the six fingered device Dyson posted. That does not necessarily mean we have time travelers or even extra-terrestrials just because it’s six fingers, though an interesting turn of events as I was not aware of such things from the case until Dyson posted it. The opposite could also be said though, so it’s merely inconclusive evidence to determining the origin.
There is a potential, as far as I’m aware, of other terrestrials we don’t know about that have essentially been reclusive to everyone else. The P’s do not exactly give clear indication of how far, reach, depth, and scope of what “Earth Humanity” or “Terrestrials” are though you do see it crop up here and there like running into a previously unknown tribe in the Amazon. After all, there were apparently folks living in Mt. Shasta which I think has been abandoned to date.
Shawn,
An interesting perspective, I must say.
Here is another one – if someone said it already I wasn’t aware – what if some of the CC’s are indeed ET origin, like leaving a visible trace for other ETs (or even their own) as a “marker” like we sometimes do to keep track of some type of study of Earth, TT related or not?
Hi Michael,
Take a look at this video – crop circle – today.
http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/bestoftv/2013/12/31/crop-circles-earlystart.cnn.html
Speaking of the Ashtar Sheran minions, it was great to find out that in 1950 our own Canadian chairman of Project Magnet Wilburt B. Smith was an Ashtar Sheran contactee. I’m glad they clarified that since previous to this latest CR 563 Willie B was just listed as a contactee. This is awesome news from Ptaah and now can look at all Smith’s reports and booklets and can call bullshit on all of it. A huge thank you to Billy and Ptaah for bringing this to our attention.
I used to not believe that people could actually be hypnotized, but after reading CR563 I understand or see more clearly that it can be true.
Darcy,
You may want to investigate further and start with the Tom Silver youtube videos since you still have doubts.
The crop circle issue is one area that requires as much diligence as the Meier material to decode. The famous “alien image with a message” crop circle is one that is incredibly difficult to fake, and it’s a shock the skeptics haven’t tried to go after that one with fervor.
I would say that the difference is that you don’t have to “decode” the Meier material. While there may be depths of meaning that are best revealed through reading e information in the original German, there’s no comparison between the clarity of the message in Meier’s material and the cryptic content of the crop circles.
Let’s remember that we don’t know for certain that all or even some are extraterrestrial in origin. And, so far to the best of my knowledge, we don’t have anything remotely as useful to human understanding, consciousness, truth, etc., as is contained in the spiritual teaching, for example.