Who Is the Stronger Leader?

Since Vladimir Putin’s strategic moves regarding Syria, some months back, it’s been quite popular for certain politically partisan people to criticize Obama as not being a strong leader shown up by Putin, etc.

It appears to me that when a leader/president is basically in agreement with the policies of the powers that be behind the scenes, i.e. the military, financial and corporate entities, such as is the case with Putin (and was the case with the Bushes) it’s easier to act powerfully and effectively to carry out one’s aims.
However, if one is basically a principled, conscious leader who truly cares for the welfare of his people, and whose personal principles are in direct opposition to many of those to whom he is beholden – and who doubtless has been reminded of the lessons of JFK/Dallas/1963 – it may be far harder to act according to those principles.
Certainly, the implimentation of a wonderful idea like affordable health care for all Americans is not solely under the control of the president. That it may have been manipulated in such a way that it turned out to be not quite what he had envisioned, is more the fault of the corporate and political powers that be…and the apathy of the American people.
But the venom that’s been directed at Obama for such a terrbile thing as trying to provide health care for a nation that spends its vast fortunes on wars, espionage, state sponsored torture and terrorism – all “in the guise of a so-called peaceful globalisation” – is unfortunately all too typical of the mentality that has developed here.
And it’s also channeled into an overwhelming obsession with arming oneself to the teeth, conspiracy and doomsday scenario groups, etc., such as are, as Meier himself had once said, bringing Armageddon upon themselves. With the probability of the country being in anarchy by 2020, it seems like more than a few people are looking to fulfill the worst of the prophecies, instead of trouble themselves to seek to be reasonable and cultivate true love, peace, freedom and harmony.


76 Replies to “Who Is the Stronger Leader?”

  1. Here’s a beauty!

    By REID J. EPSTEIN | 2/25/14 7:46 PM EST Updated: 2/25/14 11:18 PM EST

    Touting the latest White House Obamacare benchmark, President Barack Obama told his political base not to be discouraged by partisan attacks and stressed that their cause is divine.

    About 4 million people have signed up for private health care plans under the Affordable Care Act, Obama said Tuesday night at an Organizing for Action event in Washington, urging his supporters to keep pushing to enroll as many people as possible before the March 31 deadline.

    “We’re going to make a big push these last few weeks,” Obama told OFA volunteers and officials. “I can talk, my team can talk here in Washington, but it’s not going to make as much of a difference as if you are out there making the case. The work you’re doing is God’s work. It is hard work.”

    If you want Obama for your leader, you can have him. I think he’s “black preacher” type, religious idiot, who lies when he “has to”.

    Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2014/02/barack-obama-organizing-for-action-volunteers-103954.html#ixzz2wctW5kLF

    1. Of course he lies when he has to, he is a politician after all. Of course he is going to mention God in OKLAHOMA after a tornado. And of course he generally has to put up an appearance of religiosity at all times really… I feel like I’m stating the obvious here, but you clearly need things spelled out – you cannot be openly non-religious and be president. Not in America, not in this era. (I get that he’s already elected, but considering his already low ratings, and that he is already the “anti-christ” to many… he’s in no position now to ‘come out of the closet’ in regards to his non-religiosity). This is patently obvious.

      On the other hand, maybe he is a fanatic “black preacher” type, what with all the being for gay rights and abortion – soooo black preacher-y… We all know how much black churches love the gays:

      Can you please take your head out of the stars for a moment, or did it get so inflated that it floated off to be left up there for eternity? Or maybe its stuck in your rear end; in any case, I can’t ever recall being so perturbed and disgusted with another person that I’m tempted to, like a whiny child, pull a Tony and refuse to speak anymore on account of you being so obviously and pathetically delusional, stubborn, arrogant and ignorant…

      On the other hand, it is fun watching you dig yourself into a bigger and bigger hole, so I’ll stick around…

      And oh yeah,

      “The Malaysia Airlines aircraft, flight 370, that vanished three days ago, was destroyed by Muslim terrorists using a “suitcase nuke”. This information will come out on March 14th – 16th.”

      What is the date today anyway?

      1. On the 15th there was information that the plane had exploded.

        Everything you said was incorrect and stupid.

        You’re obviously not intelligent enough to converse with me, so this is my last reply to you.

        1. I don’t think it’s helpful for anyone here to call people names who are engaged in a search for the truth. Put forth evidence and information and let people decide through their thinking what the truth is.

          1. Hi Michael,

            With all due respect, you and I deal with skeptics differently. You’re nice to them, I’m harsh and dismissive. They are huge waste of my precious time. I couldn’t care less about them. From now on, I simply will ignore them.

            1. I don’t think that it’s a matter of my being nice to skeptics. In fact, I’ve been brutally hard on some and that’s mainly because I’ve made sure to really be thorough in presenting the evidence, the substantiation, corroborations, etc.

              If a skeptic challenges me, which is always fine with me, then I quite willingly provide the answers, responses, etc. I also do that for the benefit of others who may read the interactions, have similar questions, etc.

              To be wrong about something, to not know, to not be able to substantiate, etc., is simply part of being human. Again, that old martial art saying comes to mind, ‘Your opponent is never wrong.’ How we deal with the opponent, the perceived ‘attack’ is what matters, not trying to belittle or make them wrong for pointing out our weaknesses. That only results in us getting…clobbered.

          2. Michael,

            I think I can judge people better than you, better than anyone I ever met. Some people are sincerely trying to learn and act that way. Others are just acting skeptical, unintelligent, argumentative, and stupid.

            You have to remember, I’ve been a professional astrologer for 35 years. I have encountered many stupid skeptics that know nothing of the subject, yet think they have a right to an opinion of it, and all they do, is repeat like parrots, what they heard, or read somewhere, that was incorrect. Then they want you to explain a subject to them that takes 7 years to master, if you have a rare talent for it.

            I’ve been through this before, as I said, from now on, I will simply ignore the rude, insulting, stupid skeptics. They know who they are. I could mention their names, but you probably wouldn’t like that.

            1. Tony,

              Let’s examine what you’ve said here.

              You say that you think that you can judge people better than I and better than anyone you’ve ever met. But you don’t tell us what you base that on. So it’s a very subjective and unsubstantiated claim. One should be skeptical of such claims. To challenge, question, disagree is the right and responsibility of any person who thinks critically. So to attack being challenged certainly isn’t a strong, sensible, credible position. In fact, it’s more like what the skeptics themselves do.

              How and why would anyone make such a blanket statement about another person’s abilities if they’ve never really had a great deal of time to observe and study them?

              Even then, we don’t know the nature and details of any and everyone else’s thoughts, perceptions, relationships, etc. If one says that through astrology alone they can make such conclusions, then how is it that you make such judgments about your fellow participants on this blog that you’ve never met and for whom you have no birth and chart data? Obviously you are drawing your conclusions based on your subjective reactions to how they are challenging you.

              It also doesn’t help to tell people that they don’t and can’t possibly understand simply because you’ve studied and practiced in this field and they haven’t. Obviously that alone is insufficient for drawing any qualitative conclusions. We have tons of scientists in the established sciences who have and promote incorrect, foolish and dangerous positions. Human beings make mistakes, sometimes awful ones, even when they are supposedly ‘experts’.

              So if you say that Obama is a pathological liar based on his chart, are we to assume that any and everyone born at the same place and (wherever one thinks that may be) is also a ‘pathological liar’….and will be elected president?

              I have to say that if I answered my fellow truth seekers, let alone the skeptics in such dismissive and contemptuous terms and manner, instead of substantiating my claims thoroughly, I’d rightly have no credibility, no effectiveness and not be trusted to represent the material.

              I think your fellows here are doing you service by pointing out where your arguments, claims and opinions are weak. Of course I want them to do it without profanities, etc.

          3. Hi Michael,

            I disagree with what you said in your last post. I’ll have time later to reply. In my opinion, you are misunderstanding me. I think I can clear it up later.

        2. Tony,

          How did I know you were going to say that!!?!?! Oh my goodness. That is rich.

          I feel like one of those defense attorneys, where the prosecution or plaintiff puts up such pathetically, embarrassingly weak case, that the defense just stands up and says “We have nothing to add, the defense rests…”

          You’re right at least that to continue the conversation is pointless.


          Of course, you are exactly right. I pushed the line, got a little hot under the collar. “My bad…”

          Thanks for moderating the slug fest.

          (On the other hand, perhaps your comment was only directed at the other slugger, because he has demonstrated he is not a person “engaged in a search for truth” but rather a person on a campaign to spread unfounded opinion [which he encourages to be unquestionably believed] that is offensive to common sense [and the Meier/Plejaran information]).

          Ugh, I can’t help myself but to get the last word on this ludicrousness it seems…

        3. I have to agree with Tony on this one. The plane either exploded on impact or in the air. Suitcases were involved in the mishap.

          Radioactive Muslims from the Fukushima fallout were on board.

          100% hit for Tony!

        4. Tony,

          Just so we’re clear… you’re referring to me as a “skeptic”??? In regards to what exactly? I don’t define myself as one, and I am of course wholly on board with the Meier info. As Michael has on many occasions discussed–and I wholly agree–if one defines themselves as a skeptic, that typically means they have a certain belief system (generally, strictly scientific materialism (which not only denies any para-psychology and the spiritual side of life, but often in the extreme case they deny outright any alien visitation or anything that they haven’t seen for themselves)). We all agree this position errs. I, as Meier admonishes, strive to maintain no beliefs.

          BUT, though not defining myself as a skeptic, I am skeptical of many things. For one, religion. For two–your b.s. (edited by moderator). Oh thats what you must mean. Of course. That is why you, oddly, refer to me as a skeptic. To you a skeptic is someone who wont swallow hook line and sinker your delusional drivel. A “skeptic” to you is someone who gives very little credence to terrestrial astrology; or apparently, even more broadly, in a word, a “skeptic” to you is one who disagree with you. I see. Well thats cute.
          So you piggy back off Michael’s legitimate critique of the overly-closed minded position of one who defines themselves as a skeptic, and then you try to ascribe that same waywardness to anyone who disagrees with you. But, as I recall, you in fact take it even further, stating that “being ‘skeptical’ (refraining to unquestionably believe you, by your usage) is a form of mental disease.” !!!!

          So by a little deductive logic:

          P1: One who doesn’t believe in you/terrestrial astrology is a “skeptic”
          P2: A skeptic has a mental disease
          P3: Billy Meier does not believe in terrestrial astrology

          and the inevitable conclusion…

          C: Billy Meier has a mental disease

          Methinks not a position that is gonna make you many friends at this blog (not to mention your childish attitude which has you repeatedly insulting other peoples intelligence, repeatedly naming there good faith opinion as “completely incorrect,” and repeatedly attempting to duck challenges to your BS by claiming your challengers are too inferior to even warrant a response). Not that youre concerned with making friends though, obviously.

          As an interesting thought exercise to contrast the above,

          Since we are in the business of playing fast and loose with words and titles, it would make a lot more since – considering the website we are at – if we defined a “skeptic” not as someone who disagrees with you, but rather as someone who does not take MEIER at his word. But, let us retain your contribution that skeptic = mentally diseased. Then we would be left with this bit of logic:

          P1: Meier speaks against terrestrially astrology, but quite highly of Obama and his goal to ensure affordable health care to all Americans

          P2: Tony speaks highly of terrestrially astrology, but extremely disparagingly of Obama and the ACA

          C1: Tony is a “skeptic”
          C2: Tony has a mental disease.

          This, methinks, is a conclusion that will sit better with most of us.

          1. You’re totally incorrect. You’re an idiot. I will not waste my time with you after this reply. Read my posts on the astrology thread, IF you truly would like to learn something, which I seriously doubt.

            And Michael, you want me to thank him for this insulting slander, this extremely stupid behavior, you cannot be serious?

            1. I said that we shouldn’t be using profanities and attacking each other personally. But that also applies if you call people idiots, stupid, etc. So let’s all clean it up and vigorously debate based not he merits of our arguments.

  2. I would like to know if I agree with everything the professional asstroliar says do I get I discounted naval reading?

  3. Tony,

    For the benefit of all I have reproduced your 2014 predictions:

    1. Major Earthquake Catastrophes in the following countries:

    – Chile, Japan, Indonesia, Philippines, and China.

    2. Weather:

    – Record level rainfall and floods in the USA.
    – Record breaking cold weather in USA, crops ruined in Florida, California, and other states.

    3. Deaths:

    – Kim Jong Un, leader of North Korea (poisoned).
    – Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, England (cancer).
    – Morgan Freeman, actor (heart).
    – Larry King, talk show host (lungs).
    – Miley Cyrus, singer (murdered)

    4. The Economy:

    – US economy will not improve, unemployment rises.
    – Gold prices will reach $1900 – $2000 again.
    – Many people will realize that Obamacare is an insurance companies scam.

    5. Terrorism and War:

    – Terrorist attack in Russia affects 25,000+ people.
    – War between Israel/US and Iran starts

    For those who are interested, here are a few more predictions for 2014.

    1. Queen Elizabeth, England, dies – (Flu/Pneumonia)

    2. American airliner crashes, hundreds dead, world news.

    3. Powerful earthquake in Australia.

    Predictions for the near future:

    1. Hillary Clinton will be the next U.S. president – 2016.

    2. Pope Francis will be murdered – no date.

    You claim you were right about record low temps. The problem is, EVERY year there are record cold temps somewhere in the U.S. But, 2014 was a cold winter–but most of the record lows were in January, after your prediction. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_2014_North_American_cold_wave#United_States

    Nevertheless, in all fairness, in February (after your prediction) there was 1.75 times as many record lows than normal. http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/national/2014/2

    So I will grant that this is a hit-ish. “Ish” because of the vaugeness, and I’m not sure if 1.75 times the normal is terribly significant; had you published your prediction in Jan., before the brunt of record coldness, would have more looked like a direct hit. But, I’ll give it you.

    The Economic stuff isn’t really going to fly. “Unemployment rises” is a 50-50 guess–the number is probably going to move in some measure up or down, allowing you to claim hit if it ends up a mere .1 higher… in a word, not a specific enough prediction to evidence the power of astrology (not to mention it doesn’t take an astorologer to predict that figure likely goes up this year). Price of gold fluctuates; I don’t know enough about it to say whether it would be an impressive prediction if at some point this year it indeed sells for 1900-2000. If it happens, I’m sure others will be able to speak towards that. As for this:

    – Many people will realize that Obamacare is an insurance companies scam.

    People may think that, doesn’t make it true. In fact, because of the way you worded it “…realize that Obamacare IS an…” I’m gonna go ahead and call it a miss. Meier, doesnt think it is a scam. And, as proven to me when my girlfriend recently need emergency surgery but could not find adequate affordable coverage given the preexisting condition, Obamacare actually proved a godsend, nothing scammy about it. This is not a unique story.

    If Hillary becomes Prez, that will be a less than impressive hit; that is most everyones best guess right now. Unfortunately, that prediction really only stands to cost you (because a hit means very little, a miss…adds another miss).

    But most of the above are specific enough where we will be able to clearly delineate hits or misses. (As to the “Earthquake Catastrophes” I’m going to have to take that as saying there will be significant damage, not merely a relatively harmless moderate to large shake of the coast or otherwise away from cities).

    Just wanted to reproduce all the predictions here so we have em in one place. Did you the favor of leaving out the flight 370 bit.

    If the hits start comin in, I’ll be the first to admit I was wrong about your work, and likely I’ll want to buy a reading. (Though I’ll still be disgusted by your pompous attitude and childlike social skills).

    Good luck. We shall see…

    1. Michael,

      You’re going to allow insults like “pompous attitude and childlike social skills”? Ok, let me say what he is – a dumb ass know-it-all know-nothing stupid skeptic.

      1. Tony,

        I’d really prefer that names weren’t being thrown around here by anyone but that arguments were made intelligently to support one’s position. It doesn’t help that you’ve taken what’s perceived as a stand offish, “everyone’s beneath me in understanding” position. That simply invites strong criticism.

        Certainly there are ways to give examples and explain what the influences are and why you interpret them a certain way, etc. This is done all over the internet in terms of astrology, for better or worse. Certainly some people wouldn’t be interested, some may be.

      2. Daddy, daddy, make the bad man stop!

        I know I should just let the matter rest, its getting a little embarrassing at this point…but oh my gawd the irony. This is unreal. Just for future reference, Tony, you may want to work on a better response for the (inevitable) next time you are accused of being childlike.

        Michael, I’m done, promise. Thanks for lettin us duke it out in uncensored entirety.

  4. well all i can say is “as the time fulfills” i must also say that in dec 2013 i had a dream that was uncanny to the future collapse of america. in my dream i was in 2018 and everything seemed ok apart from some people preparing weapons. then i went to the year 2023 and i saw chaos, i was in manhattan and i saw riots happening along with the police in full soldier gear but the usual police blue color and the police were saying “martial law has been declared, if you do not disperse we will use lethal force”. it was such a profound and vivid dream that i still get chills when in the city. truly i hope it was nothing more than a mere dream but with the events of today it seems to be in line with this dream.

    1. Is interesting the dreams we have…
      Your dream seems to reside in reality if we don’t wake up and listen in time. All the pieces are coming together slowly but surely.
      I hope it never happens and if it does, at least not because of a global conflagration. I am 99% wanting a global war not to occur! I will be amongst the 1% that doesn’t want it, yet sees it coming possibly non the less… Is a daily thought almost, of how much I don’t want to be within it, with my brothers and sisters of the world.
      See the truth yet understand the reality one resides in?
      Neutral positive…
      The most vivid dream I have ever had was around a decade ago. I was awaken from my bed to a loud roaring noise out side. My family and I rushed outside to see a huge rock descending onto our world. The last part of the dream I can remember before I jumped awake was the crashing of it onto the earths surface. It was such a surreal dream! I could feel the heat and sense my surroundings like no dream I have ever had. To this day it is the most intense/vivid dream I have ever had.
      Sometimes I envy people who can look past all these things that make up the reality of our world. Though I suppose we must get past the really bad stuff before we can get to the really good things. Seems it is our human nature to deal with the negative, while trying to reside in the positive. I will be the first to admit that I am just an earth human… far removed from what the Plejaren would truly want for us. Yet, I am also trying slowly yet sometimes annoyingly, relentlessly.

  5. An actor walks upon the floodlit stage of life
    wearing a mask of an angel beneath a demon’s gown.
    Pretence smiles upon the crowded hall of life
    holding out hope as bright as it is false.

    Son of a woman in whose veins flows the blood
    of ancient Ireland and dark Africa’s plains.
    You are Obama, nick-named the standing king
    You are Barack, oh, son born to deceive
    The suffering hoards of Africa look up to you,
    See a black saviour where nought but a Judas strides.

    An entrapper of nations, bringer of dismal war
    Behind the robes and the nylon wings of hope
    Oh, may those who look upon you, see you as you are.

    May those who hope in you behold you as you be
    A prince deceitful to bring down Africa’s shrines
    A siren who leads Africa’s ships onto rocks of obliteration.

    Your rule my lord will not be one of peace
    Your reign my king will not be one of smiles
    Even as we speak in caves both dark and dank
    Enraged fanatics plot your dark demise
    They will put around your head a bloodwet martyr’s crown.

    Oh black Kennedy following the one before
    May God forgive thee and thy fiery spouse
    As you walk in silence from the stage of life
    Barack Obama, blessed son, Oh standing king

    – Credo Mutwa (Zulu Shaman, written in 2009)

    1. I’m looking at this quote and wondering if it really belongs in the blog. It seems to me that it doesn’t address the essence of the blog but rather portends to be some kind of opinon masked as “prophetic insight”. So I’ll post this one but I’m not opening the blog to more of this kind of stuff.

      I won’t go into the illogic of “wearing a mask of an angel beneath a demon’s gown.” We notice that he accuses Obama of being a deceitful warmonger, etc., but then equates him with Kennedy and claims that “Enraged fanatics plot your dark demise”. I wonder if the author includes himself among those fanatics.

    1. Empty-headed, war-mongering, pseudo-macho men and women who carry on our country’s great legacy of aggression lust.

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