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Two more Interviews about the Billy Meier UFO Case

Two new interviews about the Billy Meier case, including the current situation regarding MUFON, are now online.

One is with Wendy Garrett and the other with Scott Teeters.

I think both hosts did a good job in knowing about the information and giving the interviews, etc.

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J. Smith

Michael,

That was a very good interview with Wendy Garret. I can’t seem to find out how to watch the rebroadcast of your interview with Scott Teeters. Do you know where I can find the link?

E.F

The link to Scott Teeder´s interview was kind of hard to find on the page. Direct link is here http://www.renseradioarchives.com/far_out_radio/

J. Smith

E.F,

Thank you!

J. Smith

Michael,

Very good interview between you and Wendy Garrett it seems like there’s always a break coming up when it starts getting good, but good interview none-the-less. I can’t seem to find the direct link to you and Scott Teeters’ interview. Do you know where I can find it on his site?

Ev

it is a good interview, very good.

Ev

enjoying the Scott Teeters interview too. Good info on Mufon and points of time in our United States history.

J. Smith

Michael,

I just had to share this just because this must be the most hilarious thing anyone here has ever read about the Meier case. I wrote in a comment section speaking about the Meier case to the owner/moderator of the site to try and see if he would post videos there about the case and because he seems interested in E.T existence. As usual someone had to come along and put in their 2 cents and here is what he wrote. I’m sure everyone can get a laugh out of this one!

“JayWise”

Billy Meier info is interesting and I believe he is talking to extradimensional beings. Thing is what they tell him is of no benefit. They can predict the future in small ways because they invisibly control the world. Much like your parents could predict the future in small ways when you were a kid.
Why aren’t they telling him how to grow younger, healthier, richer or something? How to cure cancer? If these are truly benevolent beings. These aliens/demons whatever they are, they are not offering any assistance to the human race or Mr Meier. What’s the point of learning something that is of no benefit to you?
Billy Meier is fascinating and utterly pointless. These beings he communes with have shown little interest in helping the human race, other than offering prophecy to demonstrate their power. So why does he continue to talk to them? Foreknowledge is not supernatural power. Divine/Universal power is truths that benefit the student. Billy Meier doesn’t teach things that benefit you, just things that astound us because of our perception of time.

Ev

that is funny, sad that he doesn’t see the help right before his nose, but funny 😀

J. Smith

It seems like he hasn’t done any research whatsoever and I was trying to advise him to do some research, but he seemed to want me to tell him everything instead of researching for himself.

derrick

Someone needs to straighten that fool out. It truly is so far from the truth. It’s comical.

Tony Vasquez - Astrologer

Hi Michael,

As I predicted in January – War in 2014 will escalate into major war. The planets are lined up for war developing on a global scale in 2014 and 2015. What is happening in Iraq and Syria could easily ignite major war between Israel and the Muslim nations – the trigger for a world war – because if Iraq and/or Syria fall into Islamic Fundamentalists’ hands, they will eventually attack their number one enemy – Israel. In my opinion, this is all very serious developments.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/11/opinion/cooper-quilliam-isis-mosul-takeover/index.html?iid=article_sidebar

How ISIS and Iraq upheaval threatens the wider world.

By Charlie Cooper, Middle East researcher at Quilliam, Special to CNN
updated 11:52 PM EDT, Wed June 11, 2014

“This doesn’t just matter to Iraq, though, it matters to the rest of the world as well. In the wider region, ISIS’s presence in Syria will continue to skew the fight against the Assad regime for the worse. After all, these “rebels” are fighting the same people as the Syrian army.

On an international level, any gains for ISIS are particularly troubling because it is by far the most popular group for foreign fighters to join. This is because, more than anything else, their membership requirements are minimal — far less, for example than those for Jabhat al-Nusra. Citizens from across the world who have been going to fight in Syria — Europeans and Americans included — usually end up fighting alongside ISIS.”

Duke

Still a bit too antsy to prove folks with legitimate questions “incorrect” or the ‘many times’ other people question your quite silly worded ‘pre-dictions’. Seeing as you still don’t know the difference between prophecies and predictions, and also failed to read the literal from the Meier material and understand what it is you’re reading and categorically refuse everyone that points that out, what you posted up above is not remotely even a prediction or even a prophecy but more or less a guess. Yes, it’s your guess to the folks of the internet that happen to come across this blog. You can believe what you like but if you want to PROVE it’s a prediction then please do and show us your EVIDENCE.

As you provided no documented EVIDENCE to date, and I guess you don’t have any at this point, to prove what and how you came about to ‘predict’ what you worded above, you’re not going to make much headway with anyone. This is just standard questions, i.e. provide an article of proof like what scientific journals and other people do to PROVE their data, much less take anything you say at face value at the get go is not going to automatically qualify as a prediction.

We have standards after all and are an intelligent audience that likes to learn something that may be of some value.

Carolyn Milke

Yes, we are now looking at a civil war in Iraq, fuelled by the Syrian Islamic radicals. I foresee that the outcome of this war will be the collapse of the Iraqi government. . . .in fact, this may already have happened. Radical Islamists will form the next government, and Israeli and American interests will be seriously threatened. This will be an excuse for them to get involved. Financially, they are bankrupt, but that will not stop them from going to war. This insanity could have been prevented!

Tony Vasquez - Astrologer

Hi Carolyn,

I think you are correct. It will be interesting to see what the US does in the coming days. There has been some talk in Washington of airstrikes on the radical Islamists in Iraq – ISIS.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/12/us/iraq-us-options/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

“Expanding on the President’s comments later in the day, Carney stated that Obama “was responding to the question about requests for airstrikes and would he consider airstrikes.

In the past, Iraqis have been very public about their desire to limit the involvement of the American military. Yet on Wednesday, a U.S. official said the Iraqi government had indicated a willingness for the U.S. military to conduct airstrikes targeting members of the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria and other militants.”

I don’t think airstrikes alone can stop ISIS. They will blend in with the civilian population to protect themselves.

These are all very serious developments towards a major war in the Middle East. ISIS has stated many times that they intend to liberate Palestine and destroy Israel. If they gain control of Iraq, they will have the military power to attempt that.

Tony Vasquez - Astrologer

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2655977/ISIS-militants-march-Baghdad-trademark-bullet-head-gets-way-control-north.html

“ISIS butchers leave ‘roads lined with decapitated police and soldiers’: Battle for Baghdad looms as thousands answer Iraqi government’s call to arms and jihadists bear down on capital

The full horror of the jihadists’ savage victories in Iraq emerged yesterday as witnesses told of streets lined with decapitated soldiers and policemen.

Blood-soaked bodies and blazing vehicles were left in the wake of the Al Qaeda-inspired ISIS fanatics as they pushed the frontline towards Baghdad.

They boasted about their triumphs in a propaganda video depicting appalling scenes including a businessman being dragged from his car and executed at the roadside with a pistol to the back of his head. The extent of the carnage came as:

Images from captured cities such as Mosul and Tikrit showed deserted streets, burnt out vehicles and discarded uniforms left by government troops fleeing the brutal fanatics;

ISIS leaders urged their bloodthirsty followers to continue their march and warned that battle would rage in Baghdad and in the holy city of Karbala;

Thousands of residents in the capital answered a call to arms to repel the invaders amid fears the government’s own troops were not up to the job.

Aid groups warned of a new refugee crisis after half a million terrified Iraqis left their homes to escape the jihadists.”

Tony Vasquez - Astrologer

Of course Michael, but the way the astrological forces are line up today, this civil war in Iraq could easily lead to a world war. It bears close scrutiny.

Tony Vasquez - Astrologer

Each person has his/her opinion, it is my opinion that it is important to know exactly what is going on in our world. I was pointing out how vicious and murderous ISIS is, and how they are capable of launching a major war in the Middle East, if they gain control of Iraq, which it appears that they might.

Not to argue with you Michael, it’s just a discussion.

Tony Vasquez - Astrologer

“My personal mission has, all along, been to prove the prophecies…wrong. We will only do that with awakened thoughts, feelings and actions.”

I agree, of course, but I am a super realist, and I know the power of the astrological forces. I have never seen “WAR” written in the stars to a greater extent than today – 2015. We’ll see.

Tony Vasquez - Astrologer

It’s an interesting discussion, but I have never seen “thought” trump the Creational cosmic astrological forces. For example, if everyone in the world collectively were to try to “think” away the coming of the Aquarian Age, it would not happen. The astrological forces are the most powerful forces in existence.

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_009

“182.This whole sun-system with all its innumerable creatures is under the *control* of the new age.
183.Each and everything is influenced by it, because this is a cosmic law.
184.It is to this law, to which are subject all movements of planets and all forms of life in the Universe, that the earth proceeds in the run of cosmic events since 1844, which according to evolution replaces all hitherto existing regulations not of the Creational character.”

The meaning of the above sentences is that the astrological forces trump everything.

Tony Vasquez - Astrologer

Ok, we will continue. I do not espouse fatalism. How many times do I have to say that? Let me say this, I would love to speak to the Plejaren astrologers. I’m sure their viewpoint on this subject would be very close, if not exactly, as mine.

Tony Vasquez - Astrologer

“As Meier himself said, astrological influences are just that…influences. They don’t absolutely determine anything.”

They are not “just influences”, they are very powerful influences, that influence everything and everyone to a high degree. No one can over-ride them, all that we can do is work within them with our freewill and thoughts. But, if you disagree, that’s fine. One has to work in the field for years to recognize that fact.

For example, your natal chart is the blueprint of your entire life. Just as in the construction of a skyscraper, your life will be built based on the blueprint. Freewill and thoughts will not alter it, or over-ride it. They can only work within it.

Tony Vasquez - Astrologer

I read some of it. It’s a great book. But if anyone says that your mind can over-ride the Creational cosmic laws and forces, they are incorrect, in my opinion.

Tony Vasquez - Astrologer

I have already explained my position.

Tony Vasquez - Astrologer

Good advice Michael, but I always trust my judgment over anyone’s. Look, we’re going to disagree once in awhile, no biggie.

Tony Vasquez - Astrologer

LOL I said I read some of it. I don’t lie Mike. If you would like to continue this discussion, we can, but I think it is probably at it’s end.

Tony Vasquez - Astrologer

Ok. Excuse me. What is your main question?

Tony Vasquez - Astrologer

Unfortunately, your question leads to far for a completely adequate answer for you by me at this time. That would take an hour to write. I don’t have that amount of time at the moment. But I will say, that I don’t think Bill specifically said what you mentioned. I’ll say it again, in my educated, experienced opinion, thoughts cannot over-ride the Creational Law of the cosmic forces powerful influences(astrological forces). Why do you think the Plejarens use astrology in EVERY part of their lives? Why don’t they just “out think them”?

Tony Vasquez - Astrologer

All I can say at this point Michael, is that you are misunderstanding both me and the power of the astrological forces. Let’s continue this great discussion at another time. Have a great day. My time is up.

Duke

Once again, Tony V. when pressed takes his ball and walks home.

Tony Vasquez - Astrologer

Michael

I have time now. Let’s continue this discussion, if you wish.

You said:

“Certainly if everything was astrologically fated…there’d be no need for the spiritual teaching. Obviously, because all of the things and conditions that we must overcome were dictated by astrology. Likewise, if conditions simply dictate that we’ll overcome them, no one would need to be…self-responsible.”

I never said anything like the above statements. They express untruths.

The truth is that much of our lives are destined (fated) due to the astrological forces, AND there is also freewill and the power of thoughts. Both destiny and freewill exist. I know that there are many people who will disagree with that statement, but any true astrologer will quickly see that truth early on in his career. Most people incorrectly think/believe that only one exists, either freewill (and freewill decisions), or destiny. There is no doubt in my mind that is incorrect. So, the power of thought creates many things and situations in our lives, and the astrological forces do as well. In my opinion, that is the truth of the matter, and if anyone disagrees with that, then they have a very important spiritual lesson to learn. I think you will agree that EVERYONE has more truth to learn.

Andy

I would like to jump in there with you Michael, unfortunately the present Sirius-Jupiter alignment renders me incapable of writing anything beyond this sentence.

Oh wait, nevermind, here I am. I guess it wasnt Sirius-Jupiter, but merely an aversion to the seriously stupider.

Andy

Maybe I shouldn’t have said the above; you are getting dangerously close to having a rational dialogue, I don’t want to spoil that.

First, it is very troubling you haven’t read MoT. Given your lip-service to the teaching, and given further that MoT represents one of only a couple English books that get into the nitty gritty of said teaching, you’d think that…

Let’s try this, I assume you agree with the following paragraph:

Most people fall very short of realizing their true potential. The average person has latent reservoirs of strength, determination, perseverance, what have you. The average person could build a mansion with their life so to speak, yet unfortunately we mostly find shacks.

(Now certainly some people come in with better “raw materials”, to continue the analogy. Greater raw intelligence, talent, older spirit etc, or better environment/opportunity. These people we could say have the potential to build super mansions).

But whats the difference between the average person who makes a shack of their life, and the average person who makes a mansion?

Thinking and actions, of course.

Whereas the difference between a Capricorn and a Libra will amount to…? a couple different colored walls? slightly different architectural style?

There is a much bigger difference between a red shack and a red mansion, than between a blue shack and a green shack. Thinking and actions account for the former, astrological impulses may, to a degree, help account for the latter.

Astrological forces dont trump nuttin.

Or very few things anyway. As suggested above, not even having the best “raw materials” have to do with being dealt the perfect hand astrologically, but rather deal with things like environment — including character of family, wealth, country, life experiences — and genetics, raw talent, etc. These are going to have a much bigger impact on your life than astrological forces, which sit somewhere far down the list.

Perhaps you feel that astrological impulses are the most important in ones life because you have built your life around astrology. I don’t doubt that astrology (but not astrological impulses) is very important in YOUR life — but that is simply because you CHOSE your largely fantastical life in an embarrassing attempt to appear special, privy to esoteric knowledge, etc.

Andy

You’d think you’d pipe up on the astrology-speak, at least until ONE of your specific 2014 predictions have come true (yes, I know, you claim close to something that looked like a hit with your CA earthquake swarm, and cold winter prediction. But these are problematic, CA gets tons of earthquakes, and their are record low temperatures in places in the US every winter). You are on pace for something closer to 4% than the 90% you so arrogantly (and falsely) claim.

Ok, I’m just ranting now, I’ll leave it at that.

Duke

I don’t think so Mike as Tony V. does not want a debate with the majority of folks that, you know, he had lumped together by name and keeps a list to avoid because he is his own personal guru and refuses to provide any single piece of proof that he is what he says he is. After all, he professes to be the ONLY ONE to have the CORRECTED ASTROLOGY in terms clearly associated with the P’s and Billy Meier’s work and has responded directly linked contact notes as his evidence. So he believes what is in the Meier material proves his assertions and double talk. That’s why we’re asking him questions as he has the answers here. He has geared everyone here about his predictions and his accuracy and knowledge so that’s why questions get asked. He is the self-claimed noted expert and should have no problems answering hard questions.

Instead, we get a TEN YEAR wait and some pretty weak explanations as the basis of what he makes himself out to be, but not the substance of what is being asked gets answered. Then deflects what we ask and it’s on us to accept his version of the information which is asking a bit much of the general people to be only open minded for him. We’re here for the Meier material, not his predictions and run around he refuses to do due diligence and responsibility to answer or prove his ‘predictions’.

Should we have an open mind or an imagination?

After all, Meier didn’t just provide one piece of evidence or a blurb from some text about his mission, but ongoing voluminous amounts of work that explains the interest we have here in the first place. Yet, Tony V. that claims to be the only one on the planet to practice his form of corrected Astrology CANNOT provide any proof of how his Astrology works.

Even in the off chance one of his silly worded ‘predictions’ comes 5% true, wouldn’t you like to know how he made these predictions? If there are world saving techniques in his words, why is he here in the middle of your work testing his predictions on us? Why not go save the world and prove to the world the accuracy and validity of his predictions instead of being in his own ivory tower as a locked in closet genius?

Tony Vasquez - Professional Astrologer

LOL You’re both simpletons.

Tony Vasquez - Professional Astrologer

I’ll re-post this:

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Erra

“There are virtually never any incompatible couples *due to the use of advanced astrology* and other social sciences.
“Thus there are virtually never any divorces on Erra and furthermore, all childrens’ well-being is guaranteed.”

Why isn’t it written “due to the might of thought”? Non-astrologers never understand astrology correctly. They have never done a serious study of it, or worked in the field, therefore they do not have a right to an opinion of it. When they express their incorrect opinions, they sound stupid, silly, and absurd. I laugh at their ignorant brainwashed opinions, and they have no affect on me.

Tony Vasquez - Professional Astrologer

Ok. We disagree on this subject. Let’s move on.

What’s your guess as to what MUFON will do with the Meier case?

Tony Vasquez - Professional Astrologer

You’re absolutely correct. A child could see that the Meier case is real, valid, and the most important UFO/ET case in modern history, with the evidence that’s been provided.

If MUFON rejects it, then we will know why. Hopefully they won’t.

Andy

“stupid, silly, and absurd” — like claiming 90% predictive accuracy but coming nowhere even close?

So Plejaren take into account astrology when they pair up — big deal. They also spend two years apart pre-marriage to THINK about the decision.

How about, FOR ONCE, you respond substantively to points that were made, like to what I said above — explain to me where my mansion-shack analogy is wrong? Why astrological impulses are actually more powerful in determining ones destiny than thinking?

I won’t hold my breath, because I well realize you are incapable of grown up conversation. Again, no answer is an answer.

By quoting Meier on Erran astrology, you also omit the fact that he has emphatically stated terrestrial astrology is mostly hogwash (and you have not only confirmed him right, but have further shown yourself to be completely mean-spirited and belittling, arrogant, childish, and delusional [a recent quote of yours was “I always think positive thoughts about everyone and everything” — this while CLEARLY, by a long shot, being the most negative contributor here by far).

At least until JUST ONE of your specific 2014 predictions comes to pass, you will continue to get called out and ridiculed, held accountable, for any more B.S astrology talk. (Put up or shut up).

I’m a simpleton because I don’t simply believe clearly outrageous claims without evidence or logical argument? If simpleton means believer in the fanciful, its not me who is the simpleton.

But, ironically, it turns out it might not be impossible for one of us earthlings to predict with great precision:

Andy says:
March 18, 2014 at 8:28 am
I was studying the entrails of some roadkill I came across. I see all swindlers, soothsayers, and pseudo future tellers inevitably being exposed for the frauds that they are…if only exposed as such to everyone else but themselves.

As things stand, looks like I may come in at a 100%. How many things have you predicted that came true this year?

Duke

Sorry Tony, I KNOW what I’m reading and don’t have to remember on a public blog you called Dyson the Pope on and specifically have a decidedly poor attitude lumping everyone you disagree with and having a personal grudge to not reply to people that remotely question where you are coming from.

To illustrate my point to which you remarked as ‘simpleton’, I stated the following:

“Duke says:
June 14, 2014 at 2:42 pm

I don’t think so Mike as Tony V. does not want a debate with the majority of folks that, you know, he had lumped together by name and keeps a list to avoid because he is his own personal guru and refuses to provide any single piece of proof that he is what he says he is. After all, he professes to be the ONLY ONE to have the CORRECTED ASTROLOGY in terms clearly associated with the P’s and Billy Meier’s work and has responded directly linked contact notes as his evidence. So he believes what is in the Meier material proves his assertions and double talk.”

And what does Tony Vasquez, who used to have and has now returned to being the cloak and dagger ‘Professional Astrologer’ as his title which you can find in previous blogs and now currently being reused, goes and PROVES MY POINT with this:

Tony Vasquez – Professional Astrologer says:
June 15, 2014 at 3:52 am

I’ll re-post this:

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Erra
___

So yah, thanks Tony! Could not have elaborated on that any further!! That really explained >>> YOUR <<>> YOU <<< claim repeatedly on this blog and refuse to explain in any detail other than the same tired old responses you continue to do. Anyone that disagrees, like you're doing with Mike here, gets the insult of intelligence agreement with not understanding you, misunderstanding you, or are now simpletons among the other colorful remarks made by you.

This disrespectful attitude of the intelligence of folks here is not helping you ONE IOTA. I understand you want to hover around Mike here and obtain some form of approval since Mike is the authorized guy here in town; try not to make it too obvious you want to link Mike and Meier here with your own personal New Age Astrology you want to peddle here like you did in Stuart's blog where Stuart happily obliged and dumped Mike with along.

https://pseudoastro.wordpress.com/tag/tony-vasquez/

Good Job Tony. You're one in a million kiddo! You certainly showed Stuart!!

Duke

Oddly enough, the blog cut out between the characters VERSION OF ASTROLOGY that was supposed to be between ‘you’ and ‘your’ there.

derrycity

Tony V have you ever read the reprint of Cheiro’s Book of numbers or do you use this method in your predictions. Semjase said that Cheiro’s predictions where 50% accurate. Then as far as I can remember she gave Billy the additional corrected numbers that would increase the accuracy.

D

Tony Vasquez - Astrologer

Hi D.,

Yes, I have read it. No, I do not use it in my calculations.

Darcy Wade Carlile

I think it is realistic to put all the fr-ighting in the waste basket and recycle bins.

Darcy Wade Carlile

Recycle this fr-ighting back into fighting for harmony towards peace and tranquility so as we can have more time to reconsider stop births on Earth in unity worldwide and prevent falling into the abyss of doing unright.

Darcy Wade Carlile

Oh joy! I got back to interpersonal relationship with my father after almost 15 years of degenerate thinking. So this is a good example for the rest of humanity on Earth.

Darcy Wade Carlile

Tyson at my workplace also had the almost exact problem, however he is younger than me and in his 30s and the time exempt span of degenerate thinking towards his Pa was less in degree than my situation and though it was a coincidence and very rewarding for me to connect to his problem in unison and to be knowing to the upmost unifying factor of providence Tyson is a very good musician who has spurred his spare time with Alberta’s better known musicians Dick Damron….Willie and Waylon’s friend. Tyson too is now in best interpersonal relationship with his biological father and also his step up father on the contrary to his real family roots and his actual situation.

Corey Müske

We have got to consider the world-wide birth stop before we are all destroyed. Then we need to establish the logical 7 year birth-rate checks, and a possible birth-permit system so we can prevent the worst environmental catastrophes to ever hit the planet Earth. We also need to revolutionize the way we deal with criminals, banning the death penalty, where criminals are not harmed, but separated from society for a time, or the rest of their lives (places of fulfillment of guidelines).

Duke

Not only that, we also have to search and see where the conversation is going and KNOWING whether or not the P’s suggestion is the correct one. This is the DO process after knowing there is a problem and doing one’s due diligence to see what is being suggested and how it can be accomplished.

Darcy Wade Carlile

I second the motion Corey and to magnify your thought on the death penalty because it is flawed and there is no TSB/technical service bulletins on who they kill so this act is an extreme destruction towards all life.

Darcy Wade Carlile

TSBs however can and will be falsified, and so on and so and so on. So the death penalty will be exempt when we are no longer barbarians.