UPDATE: Aug. 3, 2014
Questions being posed to Antonio Paris now here. He dodged all attempts to substantiate his claims against the Meier case but now is shucking and jiving about begin a “UFO researcher”. Feel free to chime in.
UPDATE: July 17, 2014:
Hi Antonio,
We took you at your word regarding your willingness to review the Billy Meier information and evidence which, without any actual investigation, research, etc., you had concluded was a hoax. You have also posted Meier’s photos in a section of photos you claim are hoaxed…and which we’ve requested that you remove.
It’s well past the time that you said you’d be following up and getting back to us. More than a few people have raised questions about your failure to keep your word and some have raised concerns that you’re being…”advised” as to what to say or not say.
As you know, MUFON has effectively changed its position of 34 years towards the Meier case and I think we’ll soon be seeing more developments in that direction.
So at this point it is strictly up to you if our original assessment of your own credibility, etc., stands, or if you are ready to stand up and present credible substantiation for your old position.
There is an old saying that often applies as well, “No answer is indeed an answer as well.” We look forward to your answer – now – seeing as you’ve effectively defamed a man with no reason to do so and you’ve certainly had sufficient time to support or recant your position.
Sincerely,
Authorized American Media Representative
The Billy Meier Contacts
UPDATE:
Since this blog has received an unprecedented response, especially from very uninformed people in the UFO community/industry who are essentially hobbyists, perhaps before attempting to comment on things that they admittedly know nothing about, they would do us all the favor of at least reading this first…and save themselves further embarrassment:
NASA Engineer: The Billy Meier UFO Case Is Real
As we celebrate Independence Day today, on July 4, it seems like the perfect time to look at what may be an example of how some of the best, government trained personnel are now “serving” the public in this peculiar area of UFOlogy. Knowing that the government ‘s job is essentially to protect and serve the people, who better to protect us from any confusion about what’s really going with UFOs, and to reassure us that any appropriate investigation of the subject is being carried out, than a formerly high-ranking military intelligence professional? Of course one mustn’t try to second-guess just how these people do their jobs. Case in point: Antonio Paris of API. The following blog is a result of what I’d call a mixed message from Mr. Paris. As he had been on my mailing list, I was surprised to receive this email from him, on June 30:
Remove me from this mailing list NOW. I DO NOT want any emails from YOU. I am no longer interested in anything about UFOs.
PERIOD
Thank You.
My request for clarification of this confusing, seemingly inconsistent request wasn’t responded to so, on July 3, I sent this to Antonio and all of the team members listed on his site:
Dear Antonio & Co.,
I noticed the following here:
“API is a worldwide UFO investigations team about the scientific investigation of unidentified aerial phenomena (also known as UAPs or UFOs).”
…on a page that mentions “UFO” 32 times, with an insignia that has three UFOs on it.
Since we agree that the entire field of “UFOlogy” is largely unscientific, lacking in credibility, etc., it seems safe to assume that you would be interested in the only scientifically proven, still ongoing (over 72 years) UFO contact case of Billy Meier. (The Meier case also meets the legal standard of proof.)
Since the evidence in the Meier case is not only stunningly clear, still irreproducible but also testable by anyone with PhotoShop (which didn’t exist when Meier took all his photos, etc.) I’m sure you and your team would agree that the need to chase lights in the sky has long since passed.
You now have what you’ve been looking for, freely presented to you on a proverbial…silver disk. So I invite you to respond to my invitation to explore the evidence in the Meier case…as MUFON has now also decided to do.
I look forward to hearing from you.
Sincerely,
Authorized American Media Representative
The Billy Meier Contacts
Then, this morning, certainly flush with that patriotic spirit, Antonio, er, cleared everything up for me with this reassuringly open, professional response:
Micheal
First, please email ME only. It is unprofessional to blast everyone an email. If you want me to respond, thats fine. But DO NOT email my team. They are very busy with their lives and they only study UFOs a few times a years. UFOs are NOT their full time job.
API is only interested in about 5 cases per year. Thats it, five. We do NOT investigate historical cases such as the Billy Meier photos. WE DO NOT HAVE TIME FOR THIS. We all have families and full time careers that have nothing to do with UFOs. API is a small and part time team only. We are not MUFON.
Thanks
Antonio
I responded thusly:
Antonio,
I think we need to clear up some communications here. You’re a military man so I’m sure that my cutting straight to the points will be appreciated.
1. Since there are email addresses for the members of your organization in the US and UK, with no qualifiers that they shouldn’t be contacted…why is it “unprofessional”? As a matter of fact, your promo material makes it look like studying UFOs is indeed what they do. I must have missed the “five cases per year” thing. Have you also arranged it with…whom or whatever is being sighted that there will only be five cases per year occurring that are worthy of your time?
BTW, if my email to Cherish had been a modeling or acting opportunity would that have been a problem?
2. You represent yourself and company as a professional, scientifically oriented, serious organization of “trained UFO investigators” that investigates, researches and analyzes aerial phenomenon. So what part of a more than 72 years-long, still ongoing UFO contact case doesn’t qualify?
3. You inform the public that you are a former “US Army Counterintelligence Officer and Department of Defense Counterintelligence Special Agent.” Is part of your specialty being deliberately non-responsive to the actual questions and points I raise with you?
4. You tell me that you “don’t investigate historical cases such as the Billy Meier photos.” Is there an expiration date on the truth? Is “historical” now being redefined as being synonymous with: irrelevant, unimportant, to be ignored, false, etc. As a self-described COINTEL pro yourself, is this new dismissive and contemptuous approach to “historical” perhaps COINTELPRO to “protect” us from a pesky, inconvenient, thought-provoking, disturbing little thing called the truth…a word that seems to be missing from your mission statement.
It is interesting, however, that you consider Roswell to have been “proven” to be just what…the government said it was, a weather balloon.
5. Have you ever heard the term “cold case”? Don’t you realize that today’s technology, including PhotoShop, is the digital equivalent of DNA testing? Have you bothered to review the expert analysis of the WCUFO photos using state-of-the-art technology conducted by Prof. Rhal Zahi, the results of which an eight year-old child can duplicate in about five minutes?
6. Returning to point 3., just whose intelligence are you trying to counter? Sorry, soldier, you’re either misrepresenting your qualifications, or you’re using them to be part of the disinformation you profess to want to separate yourselves from. Your failure to be “following the evidence where it leads without jumping to conclusions” leads me to believe that you’re actually prominent among the “convergence of arm-chair UFO investigators, conspiracy theorists, hoaxers” you disdain.
Perhaps though I’m expecting too much based on your own promotional material. I’ll let my readers decide for themselves.
Sincerely,
Authorized American Media Representative
The Billy Meier Contacts
Naturally, at this point I thought that I should share all this with my readers in part to see if just maybe I’m being too vigilant, even to the point of being suspicious that…things aren’t always as they seem or are claimed to be, etc. I’m reminded of that corny old joke about a man coming home earlier than expected who finds his wife in bed with another man. As he stands there, shocked and confronts the situation, his wife looks up at him indignantly and defiantly says, “There’s nothing going on here! Are you going to believe your own eyes…or me?” Please pay special attention to the way doublespeak is now being used to redefine and equate “historical” with irrelevant. This isn’t the only UFO organization to now be using this tactic. (Watch for how this trend will be – or already has started to be – spread in our so-called “educational system”.) Notice how Antonio’s “trained UFO investigators” are suddenly portrayed as people who “DO NOT HAVE TIME FOR THIS” with “families and full time careers that have nothing to do with UFOs.” Notice how mentioning UFOs 32 times on one page is now the same as his being “no longer interested in anything about UFOs.” The inmates, the asylum, the thrills, the spills! Have a happy holiday…from reality! UPDATE: Here is Mr. Paris’ just received comment on the entire matter, reaffirming my sense that he has more than a nodding familiarity with asylums, inmates, etc.:
You really have no respect for personal emails do you? This is why no one takes you seriously. You need to see a psychiatrist.
Roswell, Fire in the Sky, Night Skies, etc. Why not a Meier biopic?
Those are all dramatizations of still inconclusive events. We have a bunch of documentaries on the Meier case at http://www.theyfly.com.
There have already been several offers form major Hollywood studios but each of them thought they could “improve” on the truth and “make it more interesting”. Car chases? I don’t know.
Michael, do you ever wish you had the funds to create a real biographical film on Meier? I love the documentaries that you do which get straight to the point, but a film with actors depicting Meier’s whole life from the time his contacts began would be great. Or have you not taught of that? Maybe the translations of his books might be more important than that, I just wanted to know if you ever thought about that.
You mean like with Anthony Hopkins as Billy and the script taken directly from the Contact Reports?
Oh that would be fun.
P.S. I wanna play myself and have Miranda Kerr play one of my wives. We won’t be onscreen much because we’ll be rehearsing and besides, the film isn’t about me anyway.
Well there would need to be some other actors to play young Billy, etc. But Anthony Hopkins playing an older Meier would be great! There are those movies of the famous “Jesus Christ” going around maybe we need some of someone not to be worshiped, but listened too. Anyhow I’ll get back to you on this if I ever get into the 7 figure market of the world!
There is no credible evidence against the Meier case. These people are the dregs of Humanity. They not only reject the truth, but they also put forth great efforts to keep the truth from the people.
Tony, remember that stuff about needing some darkness for the contrast, o that the light can be welcomed and recognized. We don’t want to just live in some happy, New Age wet dream…at least not for a few hundred years, until after the stubborn folks have gotten all this denial, disinformation and dung out of their systems. Right?
These people go beyond just darkness and wet dreams. They are some of the worst people who ever lived. I disagree that “we” are all in this together. I’m not “in” anything with these damned idiots. To me, the time has come for separation – There are those who know truth and live it, and those who hate and reject truth, and live lies.
Right but do you really know, or care, about the darkest thoughts of those who deliver your pizza, as long as it’s fresh, hot and…hasn’t been tampered with?
The people who defame and slander Billy, who reject the truth, will bring down a punishment, a destruction, a death, upon their heads, like the world has never seen. They will be hit with a force of total annihilation, and very few, if any, will survive.
Okay but first a word from our sponsor.
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You can joke about it all that you want Michael, but to me it is all very serious, because time is running out quickly. I take all of the comments on this blog seriously in one way or another. This blog is one place where truth is being shared with the world.
Of course but we also should have a little levity and generosity of spirit. After all, these clucks are so used thinking they can spout off unchallenged with their foolish, defamatory noise and when a bunch of people speak up and demand that they put up or shut up…they disappear.
So much for the “UFO experts and researchers” in the delusional UFOCI. Done.
Back tomorrow, tell your friends.
Tony,
When you say:
‘The people who defame and slander Billy, who reject the truth, will bring down a punishment, a destruction, a death, upon their heads, like the world has never seen. They will be hit with a force of total annihilation, and very few, if any, will survive.’
…what do you mean by that? Do you mean ignoring the information and advises of Billy about overpopulation, environmental pollution etc. will cause great disaster that will effect us all? I hope you do not mean only ‘the people who defame and slander Billy’ will be hit by some force of total annihilation, because that’s just utter nonsense and sounds like religious BS.
I don’t want them coming to my door. . . . I’d rather do without pizza, thank you very much!
Do like Chinese, or perhaps Thai food?
Simon,
I’m referring to the validity and importance of the Meier material in its entirety, but especially the Henoch Prophecies. People who reject, defame and slander Billy, and keep the truth he teaches and presents from others, will contribute significantly to the fulfillment of the prophecies – bring destruction upon their heads.
BTW, I never write “utter nonsense and … religious BS.” You need to read much more of the Meier material. It should have been obvious to you as to what I meant.
I was hoping you meant that. The teachings have been transformed into a religion before, wouldn’t like to see that happen again. When you write:
‘THEY will be hit with a force of total annihilation, and very few, if any, will survive.’
…that could be interpreted as if only the defamers/slanders would be hit by some destructive force, and only those who pay attention to Meier would be spared, while obviously everybody is affected.
Yes, obviously, the whole world would be affected drastically by the fulfillment of the Henoch Prophecies.
Happy Forth of July to all of you…. great fireworks… Please remember were all in this together, this is not about us and them. This is about our survival together on this small planet. That we should know the TRUTH and move from our beliefs, so we may thrive in universal knowledge and wisdom. Our house is on fire, Michael Horn is beating on the door, Thank you… What will we do??
Fireworks, like many things people do, are a waste of money. I’d rather see that money used to help the homeless and starving people in the world.
It’s difficult to imagine other worlds struggling with these very issues. A somewhat small group of truth bringers attempting to simply tell people to wake up. 2029 I believe the contact report mentioned the culmination of the Aquarian age. It does appear we are seeing this now, complete with all of its ugly and materialistic baggage. Why they do not see could be important in some way. They fear this truth beyond belief, yet they cannot stop it, it is inevitable. Yet so many, including those who wield power will have to learn lessons they will wish they had never had to learn and they will carry many innocents with them. They are terrified of the truth but that will not make it go away. Things are happening now that cannot be undone and if the Humans here do not see the truth of this case, they will be responsible for the near end of this place and it will be of their own doing. You purveyors of lies and dogma, you are the first to be named, you so called chosen ones. The natural laws will rule and eliminate that which is not of the Creation, yet you keep your strongholds nonetheless. This is a mistake. The new age has deemed you unfit for continuance. You are but a tiny fraction in the grand scheme of Creation, although you too who fight against the truth must also rejoin with it.
Yes Tony, it very much is about the Aquarian Age coming in, and the Piscean Age ending.
Normally I take a dim view of people with the same name talking to each other on the blog, however, in this case I’ll make an exception.
Then again, if we can find any other “twin names” I guess I’d have to make exceptions there too. But let’s not bet on it.
SIL!
Tony,
I think someday something will happen that changes the whole landscape on how everyone who denies this case now views it later. Not only is Michael trying to stop the prophecies from happening, but he’s also keeping Meier’s name and case alive in the minds of many so when that day comes they will realize. I don’t know if Michael is doing this consciously, but he is doing it.
Sometimes it takes the house to burn down for the one’s that were in it to realize they left the gas on.
Hi J.,
I know Michael is trying to stop the prophecies from happening, but he is NOT stopping them. He knows that as well as anyone, they are fulfilling themselves as we speak. No one is stopping them from happening, not the Ps, Billy, Michael, no one, and it’s people like Antonio and his gang of idiots, who are hurting the cause the most.
Who, what, will stop the Henoch Prophecies from happening? I don’t know exactly. I don’t think anyone does. I think the only thing that can stop them, is the truth that is in the Meier case. How this truth will get out to enough people to make the difference, I don’t know. As I have said before, maybe when the huge natural catastrophes that kill millions that Billy has predicted take place, maybe then more people will look at the Meier material for answers and truth for change.
I’m not one to belittle or joke about what is going on in our world. I see things very clearly. We are at the brink of total destruction.
Remember, Billy has looked into our future. The nature of time travel necessarily is, that it works in both directions. If he was able to visit the past, then he has also visited the future. The prophecies are no doubt based on what he saw there!!!! I surmise that there is still much that Billy hasn’t told anyone about what he found out.
Prophecies are probabilities, they’re not set in stone as predictions are. Some of the prophecies originate in the far distant past, with Henoch, Elijah and Jeremiah. Meier has the ability, since his is the same spirit form as those prophets (and a couple more) to foresee aspects of the future. There were many things that he probably wasn’t shown in the future on his time travels too. He wouldn’t be working so hard if everything was a foregone conclusion.
Hi Michael,
We have not discussed this, what is your exact plan for stopping the Henoch Prophecies from happening?
My simple little theory is that if ever-growing numbers of people realize that we’ve been given the most precise, accurate, prophetic information in history, and that all unfolds unfailing according to the laws of cause and effect, and that the most powerful means of changing the outcomes in our personal collective lives is through the positive use of the might of our thoughts…well heck, it should be a snap.
P.S. Oh yeah, working our way through all aspects of the Meier case, including all those cute little flying saucers, can lead us to discover and realize the importance of the prophetic information and how that leads us to the spiritual teaching, which in turn holds the key to our future survival.
There aren’t many (legal) fields where an individual can make a name for themselves and thereby earn a living while making outrageous claims/assertions. Most career paths require that a person demonstrate proficiency in a subject or credentials of some sort.
But in ufology you can claim anything, and if you’re a personable or persuasive speaker you can amass a following of dedicated fans.
Provable facts are irrelevant. It is therefore no surprise that this industry rewards its own and doggedly defends its right to exist.
Yes, I think I agree with someone who recently called it a ‘religion’.
And those sucking off the collection plate cannot be expected to go quietly into the night.
Lies so deeply entrenched have to be jerked out by the root.
Many will come unsuspecting and will find the truth for themselves. New roots will take hold as the old wither away. There still good people out there willing to think for themselves. They will come too, and will see for themselves how badly their celebrities have behaved when challenged to produce a single morsel of truth.
Michael, you wrote above “And I think what we’re about to see is a growing and MASSIVE disillusionment with the whole “UFO community” farce…” Man, I sure hope so.
Is there something that tells you how many views this blog gets? Exponentially growing of late I would hope and imagine.
As much as today was another huge victory for you (and it certainly was, congrats!), but then there is that “in 800 years…” language coming from Semjase… That is to say, I wonder and fear if we in fact may have to suffer the UFOIC for some time to come.
800 years, ugh, I am not so patient; that bit of contact 251 is a little discouraging.
In any case, I commend you for your sense of urgency concerning what is apparently a very long term endeavor — and I only wish Michael Horn was still gonna be around when he is alas WIDELY deemed the hero that he is.
Okay, now allow me to point out a couple of thorns on the bouquet of flowers I offered you in the preceding sentence. I myself am completely terrible with computers, but I am assuming this could be a relatively quick fix: I don’t know about others, but I keep confusin’ m’self — you have “Older Comments” with arrow pointing to the right, and “Newer Comments” with arrow pointing to the left. That is, one would have to continually click to the RIGHT arrow to get to the BEGINNING of the thread (not shouting, I just haven’t figured out how to do italics, so I do caps instead). It seems counter-intuitive, this moving of left to right, and indeed, it is atypical.
Also, if possible, the numbers at the bottom of each page — where one could click to reach any respective page of the comments — those were handy but are now unavailable…
Anyway, I know its a new format — and it looks great — and you’re probably still working out the kinks… but just thought I’d help point out what may be a couple of those kinks.
Finally, careful above with the Miranda comments — hilarious as it was, I hope the wife does not get as jealous as my girlfriend does!
Regards.
I’ll forward the page issues to my friend who may be able to fix them. No comments regarding women!
Oh wow. I submitted one comment yesterday to defend Antonio and I see other too came forward. No one came and told me to do that. Antonio posted your blog on Facebook and I followed the link. All I can say is most of you are dumb. How the heck is astrology a science??? Astrology is pseudoscience!!! Brining that subject into the debate completely crushed your argument Michael. You minions above also throw in conspiracy theories and other garbage into the soup. How the heck is that scientific????? I only defend API because they are purely scientific. You and your gang appear more like the same tinfoil hats I bump into at UFO conferences. Geesh guys … you are in need of serious help.
Hi Samantha,
However anyone gets here to make their comments is fine. I didn’t make the comments about astrology, Tony V. did and we have a thread that is dedicated to that topic because of the interest and debate around it.
However, as far as anything to do with so-called “UFOlogy” is concerned, I’m adapting a saying here so don’t take it personally: We don’t suffer fools.
Let me be clear in case everything I’ve already written on this over 300 page blog and my website isn’t clear enough: What you think you’re involved with, know about, etc., as far as the overall UFO topic is concerned is ABSOLUTELY unscientific, illogical nonsense devoid of real evidence. If you actually would take the time to delve into the evidence and information in the Billy Meier case you’d probably consider every moment you’ve wasted with pseudo-scientific, delusional groups like API – and rest of the UFOCI – a very depressing waste of complete time.
None of the people from these groups have a clue as to what is real and what isn’t, what’s actually extraterrestrial and what is anything but. Now you are very welcome here to question any of the specifics in the Meier case…as well as to offer your best evidence to support the significance of these dopey UFO groups who have made an irrelevant, time and even life wasting hobby out of the whole matter…with generous help from the intelligence community that manipulates nice people like you to chase lights in the sky, etc.
So please, since the other voices in support of API and things like it thought they were going to have an easy time by trying to bark loudly – and ended up running away so fast with their tails between their legs – make your best, strongest arguments. I promise of course to treat reasonable, respectful people the same way.
My own research, including 14 trips to Switzerland to investigate personally, spans 35 years. Not a one of the “UFO researchers” who tried to bark here has any substantial, actual research, credibility, or a proven long term record. How can they? They’re not studying the Meier case.
Now consider Billy Meier and add in all the actual contacts (hundreds since 1942!), the six categories of still irreproducible physical evidence (that you know nothing about), the 22 assassination attempts, the time onboard their ships traveling with them and the kinds of real life experiences – positive and negative – that no other human in history has had…and you can now just begin to understand what separates Billy Meier from all the clowns, liars, poseurs and profiteers in the UFOCI.
Give us your best and we’ll respond in kind.
Samantha,
This is not the place for a discussion about astrology, the astrology thread is, if you so choose. But remember, unless you have done a serious long term study of astrology, you do not have a legitimate right to an opinion of it. All that YOU can do, is repeat the incorrect nonsense that you have heard, or read, about the subject coming from others who have not done a serious study of it. I have never met a person who has done a serious study of it, that did not come away convinced of its validity and great worth. I suggest that you learn to think for yourself concerning everything, especially and including, the Meier material. Listen to Michael about it, he will not guide you incorrectly.
Tony,
The problem with that advice is that at the very least it doesn’t define what is serious or long term. Is long term 1 year…or 30 years? Does it matter what the person’s reading speed, rate of comprehensive, scientific background, analytical, critical thinking, mathematical, capabilities, etc., are? What defines serious?
Who is to say that one doesn’t have a right to an opinion and exactly what is “legitimate”, etc.? This is where I think that rather than defensively attacking someone who’s critical of a subject, even if more knowledgeable people consider themselves far more informed, it’s better to find out more about the “student” or challenger and, if they’re sincerely interested, to proceed in a stepwise manner to explain, educate and correct misperceptions, incorrect conclusions, etc.
For instance regarding the UFO topic, here’s one possible approach that I would ask Samantha or anyone else who finds themselves involved in the discussion:
How did you come to believe and accept that there are proven extraterrestrial flying craft and that any individuals and/or organizations that you are familiar with have proven it and/or are competent to consider themselves authorities on the matter?
How did you come to believe that, based on…what?
There you go again. I didn’t defensively attack her, and I don’t think I have to DEFINE the words “serious”, “long term” or “legitimate”. But alright. Of course, a serious long term study would depend on the individual’s intelligence, desires and time constraints. Legitimate means LOGICALLY REASONABLE.
Tony,
I hardy think that what you wrote is exactly the embodiment of neutrality:
“But remember, unless you have done a serious long term study of astrology, you do not have a legitimate right to an opinion of it. All that YOU can do, is repeat the incorrect nonsense that you have heard, or read, etc.”
You were presumptively trying to set terms that were undefined and not empirically valid for a discussion. Let it breathe a bit and see what may come next.
I disagree with your assessment. We’ll see what happens. But I must reiterate, when someone comes off skeptical, and says something like “astrology is a pseudo-science”, I do not have much interest in them. You can deal with skeptics if you like, I’ll pass.
This is a bit like one of our extended family get togethers, I am not either of these Tonys…as there are too many Tonys already here I shall refrain from commenting further on this particular blog. Tony out.
My grandfather spoke of a time during the korean war, he was in Africa at an air base. He drove tractors and was a tank commander. Oddly for the air force. He said one evening, in the summer, they were sitting around an open hanger playing cards. All of a sudden, they could hear something coming at them, at very high rate speed. Well, instead of taking cover, my grandfather ran out to see what was going on. He said that it was an object, and moving at a rate of speed, that he had not seen before. He also said when it hit, that you could hear it, plow up everything in front of it. He said when it was over, that it dug a trench about a mile long, snapped trees like twigs. Just tore up everything. The story continues, but it does not matter. My grandfather never wrote a book, did not become a spook, none of the stuff these other so called experts and investigators, that form these groups do. My grandfather only spoke about it once and never spoke of it again. However there seems to be an endless list of UFO, books, pics, video footage, of lights in the sky. Coming from other members of government services. Who are making a ton of money, by the way. All the while their customers, get nothing in return. Well, they get a book full of BS, and crappy pics. This is mostly pushed by, late night radio. Late night radio would be dead, if it did not sell this junk by the truck loads.With that said, late night radio also can bring the truth, but you have to wade through a lot of crap to get to it. What does this have to do with MH and this post. Just this, there are people, who know the truth and try to share it. There are those, who will sell you many lies and call it the truth. After all the truth is worth something, Money. The truth will always be free, it cannot be sold like a slave to anyone. Thank you, MH. Robert, Salome.
Micheal
I understand your side of the story. However, I also understand the others’ too. However, I want you to take a look at your comments too. In many instances you bark at those who have a different opinion, you use profanity, and you resorted to name calling. That, in my opinion, is unprofessional and not the character you should be attempting to portray. An honest debate without the name calling from either side is what is needed here. I think you should delete some of the negative comments and profanity above. Just my honest recommendation.
Samantha,
I certainly have barked at others. I think it can be shown that they were the ones who barked first, or who have made the defamatory comments about Meier. There are perhaps a couple of hundred pages online containing personal attacks on me. It’s just what comes with the territory in terms of online interactions, usually by people who have zero credibility, manners, etc.
But leaving those issues aside, please deal with the substance of the matter if it interests you, i.e. what is and isn’t real, authentic, credible, etc., pertaining to UFOs, their investigation, evidence, reality, so-called “experts”, disinformation, etc.
Hi Samantha, let’s see things from a business real world perspective we can all relate to and have experience with.
What do you believe would happen to a food establishment going to a restaurant that is not quite full and being told in a curt manner by the host that they don’t have time to seat you or your crowd of folks in particular? Do you think that business stays in business 10 years from now treating potential customers differently or generally being rude from the outset?
If you see things from the real world perspective you will see the complete disinterest and curt responses Mike gets for merely asking pertinent questions for folks that claim to be providing some EXPERT assistance or service to their fellow mankind. And this “UFO Subject” is not shy about dropping some really very nice sounding phrases with such timeless classics like ‘saving mankind’ or ‘technology that will change the way we live’ is going to attract questions and other cases that may or may not exactly fit into everyone’s Weltanschauung.
The most revealing aspects to all of this is … the complete honesty of the intentions from the email exchanges of the very same folks that claim to be experts! What sort of calm and collected responses from other professions you believe would happen, for example, you had something similar with folks in the medical profession basically say they don’t like medicine anymore and they’re busy with their families? I can say this much with the amount of free speech thrown around, it’s ain’t gonna be pretty.
Michael,
Looking above it appears the debate is over. Well, at least this blog. Here is what it all comes down to: One side claims the Meier cases it bogus and your side claims it is not. What is wrong with that? You guys are arguing about “UFOs” for God’s sake. Its not like the debate is about cancer, poverty, or disease. Its about UFOs! Perhaps Antonio was just having a bad day when he emailed you but API is indeed a small group who only investigates a handful of cases a year. This does not mean they are debunkers or silencers of information as you called them. If you were to say that about MUFON, I would probably agree with you. This is why Antonio and his team left MUFON. MUFON are full of crap and they are the ones on a campaign to silence the truth. From what I have learned at Ozark, Antonio just completed a two year investigation of an alleged UFO crash in Northern New Mexico. The crash material was sent to numerous labs for analysis and the material is not from “here”. The news will be out this fall.
Samantha,
It’s not a matter of “one side claims”, etc. It’s a matter of mountains of authenticated evidence versus…lights in the sky. It’s because all the people you like/dislike in the UFO community essentially cover up the singular truth and authenticity of the Meier case that you are completely unaware of its contents…including the 26,000+ pages of uniquely important information that encompasses virtually every issue of concern to humanity, including the ones you specifically mention.
How does any credible “UFO investigator NOT delve head first into the Meier case? Now, here’s a link to an article containing access to number of things, including the clearest, most amazing UFO photos and films you’ve ever seen…taken as early as 1975. Please…look:
https://theyflyblog.com/billy-meier-ufo-case-prove/06/15/2014
If you’re ready and sincere, and as interested in the topic as you seem to be, you are in for a truly mind-expanding, life changing experience…if that interests you.
Yes .Hi Samantha , I do not , NOT want to sound rude , but if you did your homework on the case , you would have retracted your remarks at a thousand miles an hour . it looks like you have a few more years of homework to do .
salome , Wayno
Samantha,
Ha! (I just had to laugh)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It’s way more than being about “UFO’s” darling. Probably from the UFO Community and API’s side, but the Meier case has everything to do with our life and existence. Can you please READ something? Coming here and defending API is not going to make Antonio’s case any better. Please do your homework.
You’re still talking about “UFO crashes”, come on. WE KNOW THEY ARE HERE THE QUESTION IS WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYY? Oh “The news will be out this fall” and then what? What does that change? Just another damn UFO reported sighting/crash which means NOTHING. Meier’s case provides all the information you need not only on UFO’s but humanity and our ongoing problems and how to change them. Please READ something instead of listening and waiting on “UFO crash” information from API and the guy that thinks UFO’s just drop out of space in Mr. Antonio.
Yes, I hadto yell with those caps because you seem to not be listening.
NOTE: I’ll leave the caps in this time but encourage all of us to not yell at each other when we’re sincerely trying to build a bridge of better understanding.
We had some people show up yesterday who thought this was just another silly UFO forum, where their very non-expert opinions would mean something, and quickly found out that they were in way over their heads. Samantha seems like she wants to engage, discuss, learn, question, etc., so let’s meet her and everyone else in that spirit.
My bad Michael, surely this will be my first and last offense of yelling at anyone on this blog or any others. I’ll keep my frustration to myself in the future. Honestly, I couldn’t tell if Samantha was serious or just being dismissive because you just gave her information and she comes back with a “UFO crash” story. Not saying she should just hop on the bandwagon, but at least take heed.
My apologies to Samantha. My frustration got the better of me……..
Hi Samantha , im Wayne . if you need to know where to get a good “headsUp” on the case , just ask MH any question , or anyone here for that matter and we will ensure you get the correct information for you better understanding. Just ask us a question that you have “Always’ wondered about that you needed an answer to (life, creation, religion ,who was jesus , the Universe, Why we are here ,,etc,etc as an example , and we shall do our best to assist you with the voluminous informative material and where the information is found.
salome , Wayne Sunter-Smith
Adelaide, South Australia
This has been an interesting read this morning. Has delayed my day of work:)
For a good cause of course. Was wondering a little when Michael’s ‘catch’ would start coming in. I always miss the good stuff!
Seems most of these people responding here against Billy’s case put the blame in all the wrong places. We are all here trying to make sense of it all and find some sort of starting ground to help our world. What is wrong with passionately trying to help our world and each other!? Yet, this might interrupt a few peoples ‘church’ plans for the evening. Doubtful though with the class of ufologist that have been funneled here. They just do this as a hobby on the weekends. You know… around church and all the like.
One thing that truly holds Billy’s case and those that do a truthful analysis of it is that it just doesn’t turn off. It seems the longer one thinks and ponders the daunting pile of information, the more thought that gets put into the whole matter. Days turn to weeks and months turn to years… never stopping. The might of the thoughts never stops thinking ones one is finally able to see the power within oneself.
My own journey within researching Billy’s case has been a daily thing. There has been very few days the last ten YEARS that I have not thought about Billy’s case and all matters pertaining to it. It has never ended! There is no time to stop pondering all that is available for the self to see!
Its just to bad those supposedly the most ‘highly qualified’ cant see what a friggen ant lives within… Let alone what those dam lights in the sky are! Seems to simple to even try to understand. Ufology is a waste of time! Ya FIGU might have it in there…. but we should know where the truth ends and the horse $hit begins. Sounds about what one would expect to hear from a group such as API. Nothing but a bunch of humans chasing roughly, ballpark number, 5 lights in the sky a year while the only real and still ongoing case sits on the earth in Switzerland. In a way again it is a good thing that these people have not come closer to muddy the water with their superior idiocy. Yet, some would and do enjoy swimming in a complete $hit hole!
Has anyone else noticed, or is it just me, that time seems to be moving faster these days? Why I hardly noticed that we’ve moved through four more years since 2010. Is the earth spinning faster? What the h. . . . is going on? What used to be a month now seems a day, at least in my head. Like I said, is it just me, or has anybody else noticed this phenomena?
Carolyn how true how very true and a lot happens in a day with so much distractions and human tendencies to fall into absentminded reverie making the time seem to fly a lot quicker and faster like a cold freeze blowing in yoyr head.
The solution in my view is to stay focused on the here and now in the immediate present where the future meets the past and to try to construct as much meaning out of each moment as you can through inner dialogue with oneself in full conscious awareness and self awareness rather than in absentmindedness, going about your day self absorbed within your own worries and problems.
The so called reality of living does take moment by moment, image by image, thought by thought, feeling by feeling, experience by experience, meaning by meaning, understanding by understanding, cognition by cognition, idea by idea, sound by sound, word by word, second by second, situation by situation, decision by decision, movement by movement, sight by sight, impression by impression, perception by perception, sense by sense, intent by intent, aim by aim, purpose by purpose, goal by goal, motive by motive, reason by reason, awareness by awareness, insight by insight etc.
And if possible sleep less get out more see more things and do more things but most important of all is to make some meaning out of what you do even the so called mundane and the less significant things.
I am receiving many emails regarding your blog. I just wanted to let you know, other than Jose, I have no clue who those other people are attempting to defend me. For transparency purposes, I sent out the link to your blog on Twitter and Facebook so people can read your blog and make decisions on their own. Im sure several people followed the link and decided to chime in.
I think you might have our vision wrong. Our goal is not to debunk or discredit any case, including Billy’s. You asked for scientific proof to discredit the case. That is not what we do. In fact, its quite the reverse.
I had about 25 people email me last night that perhaps I should take a look at what you have and provide an honest opinion. If you are open to that … let me know.
Hi everyone,
I like courage and integrity and so I received the above from Antonio and I sent him this response:
Hi Antonio,
Well there’s nothing wrong in the least with people supporting you, agreeing or disagreeing with anyone in the discussion.
Of course I’m more than glad to participate, provide you with any information, etc. I’m also glad to address any challenges, questions, fine points, etc.
Just let me know how you’d like to proceed. Also, it’s certainly up to you, but if you’d like to post something similar to this on the blog I can promise you that I will only allow the conversation to proceed in a way that’s consistent for all of us to discover the truth together.
I know that many people are both passionate and sincere about the truth and that’s the direction we should take this in. So thanks for your willingness to proceed.
Best,
MH
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So, if we’re all about finding the truth, then we’re…all on the same side. So rather than clang swords with anyone – including the people who we dueled with briefly yesterday – let’s get back to the understanding that we, humanity, are all in this together. It’s no secret that the perspective of many people who support the Meier case is that it’s not only singularly authentic but the key to our future survival. I say this just so that our friends who want to participate in an examination/investigation of the Meier case will also know that our concerns go far beyond the UFO element and directly to the WHY, the reason for the Meier contacts. I’ve also stated that it’s to help us help ourselves to assure our own future survival.
Okay, all that being said, how’s about we cooperate with Antonio and any and all other sincere seekers of truth? Good. We may have a few bumps in terms of just procedures but there will be no posts allowed, from anyone attacking anyone. We’ve done that, been there and hopefully we’re on a far more productive course.
We don’t have to all agree but let’s be willing to respond to each other’s challenges logically, with evidence, patience, etc.
This is a very surprising and totallly unexpected turn of event so kudos to Antonio for having the courage and the sincerety to show his willingness to engage for whatever its worth for him and for everyone else.
We’ve all been through the Kal Korffs of this world where the only thing on their minds above and beyond the search for the all important truth is to debasingly engage in propping up their fragile egos and to grandstandingly self aggrandise by cowardly borrowing strength from titles and their associations even to the point of feigning sincerety by wearing a mask within a mask to build trust of the unsuspecting only to stab them in the back to achieve their underhanded and nefarious hidden agendas to pull people down and make them look ridiculous.
But I gather that we all strive to walk the high moral ground and to allow for and to extend the benefit of the doubt to all in the spirit of genuine brotherhood for in the end life is just too short to waste it on the non essentials either way.
Agreed. I heard from Antonio that he’s traveling and will participate when he’s settled, etc.
Well good on him and good on you Michael for the generosity of understanding and the benefit of doubt extended
It really does set a good example of spirituality and the high moral spiritual principles at work, as corny as these words sounds….
I think we’re all seeking and needing to understand that the pursuit of the the truth, and the truth itself, isn’t something to hit someone on the head with, it’s to bring us together in truthfulness.
The process during these times, and in large part due to the nature of online interactions, can become quickly contentious, assaultive, etc. Once we all recognize that we’re seeking the same thing, at least we have the chance to start to examine, to be comparing notes, discussing, challenging, etc.
So it’s always good to take the next step together down – or up – that road.
Good to see that Antonio is open for discussion on the Meier case. I hope the discussion proceeds with logic and stays factual, scientifically and otherwise. It might just be what I’ve been waiting to see from others skeptical about the case. If it does then maybe some minds will be opened.
Hello Antonio,
if you really mean what you wrote, I suggest you take pictures 12 and 31 off your website http://aerial-phenomenon.org/photo/hoaxes/ under Photos/Hoaxes.
I quote your own text: “I think you might have our vision wrong. Our goal is not to debunk or discredit any case, including Billy’s. You asked for scientific proof to discredit the case. That is not what we do. In fact, its quite the reverse.”
Posting pictures shot by Billy in the category “Hoaxes” directly contradicts your statement above. I hope you can see that.
Antonio,
Yes, take Billy’s photos down out of your Hoaxes section. You can’t possibly have scientific evidence that they are fraudulent, because there isn’t any. The Billy Meier case is not a hoax. Stop being a disinformation dupe.
I agree wholeheartedly Michael and cheers to that.
Gotta go the 2nd PM is waiting see you in or within Meditation
salome