Dear Mr. Beall,
Mr. David Scott forwarded your responses* to his email to me because I’m well qualified to answer, and correct, your erroneous assumptions. I understand that certain MUFON personnel are volunteers and essentially hobbyists, as your comments to David also indicate, so I’ll keep my responses appropriate to that level of understanding.
I’m sure you can appreciate the difference between an amateur level of knowledge and experience and that of the team of professional investigators into the Billy Meier UFO case, such as Lt. Col. Wendelle Stevens and Lee and Brit Elders, whose efforts resulted in the first expert authentications of Meier’s evidence (by people like Michael Malin, NASA Mars Mission, etc.), as well as my own 35 years of research and investigation including interviewing Meier, numerous eyewitnesses, other photographers and family members, visiting the actual locations where Meier took his stunningly clear, still irreproducible UFO photos, etc., on my 14 trips to Switzerland.
In addition to having such scientific experts as Dr. David Froning publicly support the authenticity of the Meier case at one of my many presentations, a NASA aerospace engineer has now given his endorsement to the Meier case. Your remarks indicate that you’re also obviously unaware of Prof. Rhal Zahi’s two new expert analyses that authenticate Meier’s photographic evidence, regarding the WCUFO and the Pendulum UFO. Prof. Zahi also provided the protocols for duplicating the tests according to the scientific method, which you seem to be unfamiliar with, as well as a clear instructional video for doing so.
On any given day, including the day this was written, MUFON’s home page features photos of nothing more than…lights in the sky, usually taken at least thousands of feet from them. Meier’s recently authenticated WCUFO photos, from as early as 1980, were taken within…20′ of the object. And, of course, you can now authenticate one of them yourself, like any eight year-old child can.
I am unaware of any actual research by you (perhaps you’ve you published it somewhere?) and I can safely assume that you’ve never actually gone to investigate this still ongoing (over 72 years) singularly authentic UFO contact case. Hopefully, you’ll be motivated to do some actual research rather than gleefully relying on hearsay pertaining to the most important story in all of human history, which I’m sure we’d both agree a proven UFO contact case would constitute.
The fact that you’ve said, “Billy is not special nor is his case,” and “We never ignored his case, they just ignored our objective opinion on the case years ago,” simply underscores your amateurish, ill-informed and unscientific approach to the case, since you point to no such comparable case and fail to note that there never was any actual scientific investigation of the Meier case by MUFON.
I find it quite strange that the people who actually join UFO organizations are, too often, the ones who actually – and actively – don’t want to find what they say they’re looking for.
I do have to ask if you find it at all troubling that a prominent MUFON officer tells tales about running over giant lizards, while your own assistant state director tells us that she got into the UFO field because she “heard voices” in her head? Did MUFON render an “objective opinion” about their qualifications and…state of mind? Just asking. Unfortunately, such inept, unprofessional and uninformed comments by supposed “researchers” only lends credence to the claims that MUFON has not only been complicit in its suppression of the truth but that it does so deliberately in accordance with the wishes of the CIA, NSA, etc.
It’s clear that any organization that has the wherewithal to produce a major TV series on UFOs must also possess the same resources that allow even…children to authenticate the Meier case. And with at least 100,000 reports of UFOs in 45 years (all of which haven’t amounted to a Barney and Betty Hill of beans) maybe acknowledging the only still ongoing case with actual, testable evidence is timely…to say the least.
It’s to Jan Harzan’s credit that he wants to open the Meier case to the MUFON membership and others and perhaps you should take the kind of courageous approach that Jan has, as well as emulating the open-mindedness and critical thinking that Lorien Fenton also stands for. They, and others in MUFON, have taken the opportunity to actually look through the telescope. Whatever the outcome, it will be good for MUFON and those within the organization that are actually, honestly interested in the truth.
I hope that you’ll decide to join them.
Sincerely,
Authorized American Media Representative
The Billy Meier Contacts
*With permission from David Scott, here is the email response he received from Morgan Beall:
“My honest admission is that Jan did not dedicate our organization to solely look at the Meier case. The problem was when MUFON did take the Meier family serious many years ago they did not like our response or neutral stance of the case rather they took offence to MUFON scientific approach.
Please read this page so that you fully understand our approach and Jan’s response.
http://www.mufon.com/mission-statement–goals.html
http://www.mufon.com/the-scientific-method.html
The Meier case is just that one of many interesting cases. I would say his case is limited however and mired, no pun intended, in credibility issues with the family and many that handled his case personally (not MUFON). There so man cases were witness believe they are the only one and they have a message that will save the world. So who is the real profit here? This is why MUFON takes a relative natural stance on these types of cases and claims. We, nor anyone has the means to prove or verify his claims of similar cases with these claims. I am not sure on your stance that we “Finally embraced” the subject. We have been hard at work every day for many years. All volunteers all the time. We dedicate our selves to the mission and goals. Try not to belittle us because of one case. Trust me when I say Billy is not special nor is his case. Their are many more like his and all just as difficult to take seriously but we still do because it is ethical. We never ignored his case, they just ignored our objective opinion on the case yeas ago. All Jan said was we would reexamine the evidence nothing more.”
“maybe acknowledging the only still ongoing case” – if bm and has alien friends wanted to proove they’re real they could have done it in 3 seconds. So the fact that they haven’t and it is still ongoing is evidence against him. So why not is it because we will all start screaming in panic? Or perhaps like he says so we find the truth by ourselves (in that case y need him at all).
And try to open your mind to other possibilities to make the photos/videos/metal samples and predictions – using mind power maybe; the same power he has demonstrated (which btw is not unique to him).
All it needs to verify him is himself, his alien friend in ship and 1 earthling with a camera maybe you or someone, in a field seeing their ship, the alien and so forth something like that real with quality. He does not want to though.
Do you know some people can take a photo without needing a camera just by using their mind? no.
I think, in terms of both of your comments, I’ll let the tortured illogic speak for itself.
Karl,
First off, I am a phoney just like you. But seriously, take a “….photo without…a camera..?” Well it would not be called a photograph it did not come from a camera.
The reason the Meier aliens do not show themselves to the small minded Earthlings is because the people of this planet can barely think for themselves and they are trapped, stagnate, waiting for their doG to solve their problems and give them the answers, in religion.
No phoney man, the aliens want you to think. There is enough information (clues) in the Meier case to keep people interested in the Meier case for thousands of years. This case is filled with THOUSANDS of pages topics, ranging from shaving your pubic hair for better hygiene to showing the connection of spirit and consciousness to touching on hyperdrive with timelessness. You are a complete phoney for saying that there are other UFO cases that compare to Meier. I know because I actually am interested and study the topic, pretty thoroughly. Maybe there is better, more up close UFO footage and photos out there than Meier, but if you are ignoring the UNIVERSITY of information for mankind that is being assembled in German in Switzerland… YOU ARE MISSING THE POINT. Hello, phony.
NO OTHER UFO CASE has this UNIVERSITY of information. You are lying to yourself and you are lying to the people if you think Billy Meier is ordinary. You must be a spook bleeping with the public, holding back evolution for humanity? What case dear phoney NOFUM is like Billy Meier, with all the information? There is more Billy Meier information in English, which only represents 80% of the material, than most contact cases have period.
I would agree that there is more happening in UFO cases than Meier tells his people. I mean yes, there are some pretty outstanding cases like “Friendship,” Urzi, Dr Reed, that Meier shuts the door on, and steers the people back to his case. I get that… but I also get that this planet is breaking down to pollution and contamination, wars are raging on the planet that could bring in everybody, the civilians are hurting financially and because of shifting opportunities, and religion is not helping people it is making them dependent for their daily bread. The answers to solving ALL these problems, AND MUCH MORE, are contained in the Meier case, you phoney.
So Yeah, the much, much, much smarter aliens then you are bleeping with the Earthlings to try and get them to think for a change, to begin to solve their own puzzles in life. How does it go? Don’t give a man a fish for a day; show a man how to catch his own dinner and he will eat for a lifetime. This is what is going on Mr. big time UFO phony.
iamaphoney
“You are lying to yourself and you are lying to the people if you think Billy Meier is ordinary” – i haven’t said any of that I think that’s David Scott below me.
Yes, my bad. I was trying to kill multiple birds with one stone. My post should have been addressed to you, David Scott, Morgan Beall, et al.
y all you followers copy word for word what bm says? illogic is your answer to the possibility of mind power (something u have no clue about). fine.
Gee, I guess those of us who’ve actually researched all of the hard evidence in the case, gone through the corroborations of the prophetically accurate scientific information, gone to investigate in Switzerland ourselves, etc., etc., are pretty…silly compared to guys who sit around and fantasize about magical mind powers explaining solid, testable evidence.
I’d say that theories such as yours are…not an encouraging testament to the “possibility of mind power”.
Dont approve but just listen: mind power is capable of strong intuition (for predicting stuff), as well as manipulating matter. Just watch this if you have time:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5gK2MxGR0M
I think it’s possible to use mind power to make all his proof, that’s all. Not going to annoy u more. 🙂
You do understand, that people like Criss Angel and David Copperfield are professional magicians and illusionists, right? They do very sophisticated tricks that have nothing to do with “mind powers”. There is quite a lot of information about the true powers of the consciousness in the Meier material btw.
no I think some are tricks surely enough that’s without a doubt but not everything. You haven’t seen hundreds of his vids. At least levitation of himself and objects (like a coffee from one table to another) can’t find links aren’t tricks.
But again u don’t believe and i do so don’t know what to say.
Did he levitate any cream and sugar? I assume he doesn’t use artificial sweetener.
Trust me when I say Billy is not special nor is his case . OK , I am about to shoot blood out of my eyes . Really ? Mufon , from within acknowledged they are just volunteers and if that is the case , where is all that money going ? Hanger 1 , a tv show on the history channel . Took at least a half a million to produce the first episode . Where did that money come from .
Others talk , WE investigate . OK , where do those t=shirts come from ? Where do you employ people to make your investigator bags at 350$ a pop ? Oh , those volunteers .. Geez money doesn’t matter . well , I am outright auditing your ass . Where is the money , where does it go ? Shine me on ? I’ll just shine on you. Shine on you. Shine on you. Not done , gonna dig , dig , dig and shine , shine , shine . Your over Mufon , I’m too pissed to even speak . MUFOVER. Nothing left here , shovels anyone ?
The Chris Angel video debunked after one view. Look at the shadows of the trees and trash can.
debunked in 10 sec without u yourself being a magician hahaha hahahaha
I took placid tax records and was shocked . lets just do this
2013 2,457,006
2012 1,987,473
oh lets get another field investigator , another t shirt…
Hi David, is that their gross income for those years?
Or net income?
MH, excellent letter, quietly, calmly to the sharpest of points, in logic & in truth … and the responses reveal the continuity and the fraternity of the dimwitted and in particular this dullard Karl. A dime a dozen, if even a dime.
We could make it a…baker’s dozen?
ok let’s say I start believing I have one question then: Can I too insult/offend and treat others as **** you don’t believe?
It’s funny u have no idea what mind power is – probably u never used any of it (such as future evens in dreams like I do) so just insult others no it’s nothing special he couldn’t have used mind power u showed me how close minded u are and simple like religion believe – keep burying yourself in that skull.
If you “start believing” you’ve certainly missed the point. We aren’t about beliefs here. We are leaving the Age of Beliefs for the Age of Truth and Knowledge.
u 2 like 99% of population have no idea of mind power so I don’t blame u to think it’s something retarded.
Can you say retarded with a Boston accent?
just like with all other religion followers tell u something and u start crying.
I don’t think anyone is crying.
u know how to insult ppl that’s for sure, that’s retarded however.
it’s funny how you’re the ones who insult and offend ppl and treat them inhuman the ones who follow the BM who’s suppose to be the teacher of peace and what not.
Ask not what but what not.
Michael, #1. Karl doesn`t know just what he is getting into! #2. If you listen to c2c,you will notice at the beginning of c2c,George Noory brings Peter Devanport on the radio spouting on the “Glorified” people chasing lights in the sky every-so-often? Think about that one?
#Have u used ur mind powe (if u have any), I know I have so if u don’t u better shut up.
I’ve used it to help others but never bragged about it.
u folks just believe instead of taking every approach serious – shrug my suggestion off then and like religion keep believing in a ufo case. gl
u say something and they insult u now moderate these comments, have fun
There’s that “believe” thing again.Karl, c’mon now.
I wonder if those that live here on this planet. Understand what takes to travel in space and time. Im thinking, they must have a whole lot of science at their finger tips. They would have to be master craftsmen at everything. They would have to have a great love for life. How else would you make friends. In a hostel environment like space. Because if you are traveling in space. Ya need all the friends you can get. Looking at the photos that billy has provided us. Those ships are beautiful and so finely crafted, seamless like a work of art. To me it speaks volumes about the owners of those ships. But if you want to look at photos that have a couple of tiny lights on them. Well you can do that if you like. But there is no detail in those photos. Im guessing that would be the difference. Billy with his stunningly beautiful ships or of a couple lights that show nothing. Thank you billy and friends and let us not forget MH and his efforts. Salome, Robert.
well said Robert. Bravo to MH. Ev
I think having a “neutral stance” and being “ethical” because its “fair” doesn’t really help anyone if there is truth presented in the material. It sounds to me that MUFON is a dead end?
Did you notice that on all Mufon’s links there is a “read more” tab that you can click and it takes you right to the closed minds blog? So is the closed minds (well they like to call themselves open minds but it’s obviously an oxymoron) blog linked to the CIA and NSA?
Seriously their investigators think an acre is the size of several football fields SIL.
Hey, maybe send them the link to the Meier discussion…
Apparently there was a sighting in Maidstone SK recently, what may be an ? craft so I said that they could find out who they were and where they came from if they looked into the Billy Meier material. If I were to tell them what it was they wouldn’t believe it, so it’s best to let them find it themselves.
They don’t like it when I claimed that the TR3B is actually the large, silent, manmade by the military industrial complex, triangular craft SIL. But looks like it’s catching on…won’t be long until my comments are blocked…because I’m bad for their business.
This is the kind of trash that needs to be called out!
“… Trust me when I say Billy is not special nor is his case. …”
I suppose that the word special is the opportune word here.
If by special you meant “common” then you are correct Mr. Morgan Beall.
I will give you the benefit of doubt and assume you just miss typed the word “common”.
If I am wrong and you did mean “special” I would only like to remind you what the word special means. Morgan Beall; the word special as defined by Farlex “Surpassing what is common or usual; exceptional:”
Well maybe I can explain it to you this way:
Billy Meier:
The Most documented life on planet earth.
Writing of the spirit teachings
On going contacts with off worlders
Written down henoch prophecies
The teachings and methods that will save humanity from self destruction
A warning of an incoming meteor and how to handle it
A long list a prior to discovery scientific information
An abandoning of the french foreign legion walking across the desert
Metal samples of extra -terrestrial origin test by renowned tested by scientist Marcel Vogel
Over a 1000 day time photographs taken of space ships before the age of photoshop
Assassination attempts after assassination attempts
The talmud Jmmanuel a serious correction to the underpinning of the christian religions
and I have only begun…
Don’t try to marginalise this human cause the future of our survival depends on our understanding of his teachings.
Thanks
Nate
“Don’t try to marginalise this human cause the future of our survival depends on our understanding of his teachings.”
Do this exercise: clear your mind and close your eyes and stay quite for 1 minute. Think about that quoted sentence during those 60 seconds and you’ll realize this ufo case isn’t going to save humanity or the world anytime. In fact so far in the 6 other re-incarnations of BM he created CHAOS (religions like Christianity including their wars and so forth) – and t-r-u-s-t me this case is just a CASE it ain’t going to save humanity or even help it (think 200 years from now when ppl living then want still have the solid proof will they believe this case lol or give a shit about a guy that lived 200 years ago)
We folks should not even have investigated this case because if he is what he claims to be then just handle us the irrevocable evidence and if you want to play games with us piss off. After 70 years still half backed evidence…
So being stupid, arrogant and violent is – always – someone else’s fault?
‘t-r-u-s-t me’
Trust you? Don’t know you.
‘.. just handle us the irrevocable evidence ..’
I assume english is not your 1st language, so no prob .. other than that, your points are in UFO 101, the intro course to the whole subject … I suggest you get started before you continue with your know-it-all meme
What I am trying to say is being neutral and being fair is just being plain lazy and contradictory to their approach and claim to be. If they are serious about what they say they should do their “homework” and examine the material instead of just brushing it off as another “There so man cases were witness believe they are the only one and they have a message that will save the world”. We do not need more wars and man induced “climate change” to finally wake people up and say “we told you so”!?
Well done Michael, Well Done!
public antagonist. ok , now that we have identified that problem , maybe doubling up on your meds is not such a good idea , especially when the end of the month come hither ; )
Minnesota MUFON was not to far off as Florida on their assumptions in the end.
They are so stuck in their preconceived stone hard beliefs that they won’t even admit that they ARE MUFON, when it comes to Billy Meier’s truthful interaction with highly advanced humans. My favorite quote from the little responses I did get from them. ‘Let’s see what the promised re-examination by MUFON comes up with’. Are they not the organization? I assumed I was corresponding with the head folk here at MUFON Minnesota? Either way I am not going to stop trying to interact. I hope to attend one of their meetings in person and go from there. They can chase all the lights in the skies they want! Be it within an airplane, car, bike, on foot, or on their back! Apparently to some these rather human related light blinkings mean more…. The centuries we face ahead of us all.
Oh to the power of the mind! The thoughts of the human seem to be of an endless ability! Nothing is beyond our ability in some way when we put our thoughts to it! Even now, the beauty of our world can be seen in the smallest, most miniscule things found within our world and thoughts. Truly an awesome thing to be conscious of… the reality of ourselves within what could be called in one word ‘creation’.