A brief look at specific astrological predictions, which, fortunately, weren’t fulfilled
…but first, this message! Please remember that you can download The Spiritual Teaching in Everyday Life, the new documentary with Billy Meier now – don’t wait until next year!
UPDATE
This is the last we’ll hear from Astro-Tony who, despite a one-in-two chance of getting it right, got it…very wrong:
Tony Vasquez 2016/11/05 at 3:39 pm
Nov. 2016 Election: Both Clinton and Trump are political puppets, the vote rigging will make it look like a close race, the final count will be in Hillary’s favor. No matter how you vote, Hillary wins. LOL
Jared Farland is one of my students. I gave him the above prediction. He posted it on this blog.
And – as I predicted* – those two years that he was hoping would be personally bad for me, turned out to be rather nice and productive.
MH
And now, back to our regularly scheduled blog:
Almost a year ago, I dedicated some blog space to predictions of an astrological nature, primarily from one Tony Vasquez, aka Astro-Tony, aka A-T. The discussion about astrology began on this blog.
I gave A-T sufficient opportunity, time and space (and some may say…rope) to establish the validity of his claims about having the “correct” form of terrestrial astrology, closely comparable in accuracy to what the Plejaren have. I was motivated by my own interest in the subject, as well as by wanting to provide A-T a little visibility, since he seemed both confident in his abilities, as well as otherwise invisible in the online world.
Overall, I’ve found many interesting things perusing astrological information from numerous sources, some uncannily accurate, some completely bogus. So it seemed like a good opportunity to evaluate the claims of someone who had great confidence in their own accuracy, etc.
In addition to A-T’s Vasquidictions that you’ll find on this blog, a fuller record of them exists on a page set up by Rob, someone who also participates and contributes to this blog. I wanted to link to it in the spirit of fairness so that you could see and evaluate it all for yourselves. However, I found Rob’s conditions for “allowing” me to post a link to it to be convoluted, manipulative and controlling, so please simply search this blog if you’re interested in assessing A-T ‘s hits and misses. And perhaps, since I know he reads (and curses) this blog, perhaps he’ll get around to putting up a page or site of his own somewhere to set the record straight, if he feels that his accuracy, etc., has been misrepresented. Should he do that, I’ll put up a link to it, though I won’t post any further comments (including death threats, curses, spells, voodoo, etc.) from him on this blog.
Some of his Vasquidictions were hits, like the earthquake swarm in the L.A. area and, if I recall correctly, the death of a 90-year-old man, etc. Below are those that our unabashed optimist and lover of humanity, fortunately, got wrong. I haven’t included all of his abusive comments and death threats, which he recently took a moment to clarify (emphasis added), “I did not wish death and suffering on everyone, just on you and the other self-deceptive, stupid, idiots on this blog.” Based on his record of accuracy, it could also said be that, fortunately, most of Astro-Tony’s wishes for others don’t come true, despite whatever he asked of Satan Claus.
I have taken the liberty of substituting initials for the names of the celebrities that he was…preparing to say goodbye to this year:
L.M.P. dies – young man kills her.
M.C. will die this year, as I told you. She will die by rape and murder, or by an accident with a wall. She is actually a very good person, just mislead and used by evil people.
There will be an approx. mag. 7.0 quake (off shore) in Northern California between Cape Mendocino and Eureka, between July 6th and July 13th. This quake is directly related to the 8.9 LA and 9.2 SF mega-quakes, that will hit between Sept. 14th and 30th, 2014.
There will be a powerful quake in Jamaica – 8.5 – 8.9 – July/August 2014.
Something bad – an explosion, tornado, or plane crash – will happen at the Wichita, Kansas airport soon.
You don’t want me to post “death” predictions, so, I’ll just tell you. I see an American airliner destroyed/blown up in August by terrorists using children to carry the explosives.
H.F. (Infection/Illness), and D.B. (Accident/Fall) will die in 2014.
I was one of the last people who wanted to accept that A-T demonstrates some serious narcissistic and/or sociopathic tendencies but hey, nobody’s perfect…right? That being said, he ended his last threatening email to me with:
“Don’t forget, you will suffer through two very bad years – 2015 – 2016. And you certainly deserve it. LOL”
*…which, based on A-T’s record of accuracy – and the fact that the might of the thoughts trumps astrology – should turn out to be two pretty good years.
Further Notes on the World Situation
Here are some additional comments from Patric Chenaux based on the information he received from Billy Meier and previously sent to us (see: The Only Way to Stop the IS and URGENT: Another Prophecy Fulfilling):
In the 602th contact note Billy mentioned only that the Ukraine separatists are supported by the Russian military, which is not new information and officially revealed in the media, whereas the Ukraine Army is supported by secret/clandestine mercenary special units of “Constellis Holdings” (the successor of “Blackwater”) in order to fight against the separatists and which are sent by the US government. Even the CIA and the FBI are supporting and providing the Ukraine government and are therefore responsible – as advisers and supporters for the Ukraine government – for the military armament and the logistical rigging and supplementation, which is officially not mentioned in the media.
The second issue was regarding the fact that currently the IS is financially mainly supported by wealthy people of Qatar and even by the royal house of the Qatar emirate. But this fact seems neither to be in the interests of the German Federal Chancellor Angela Merkel, nor does it bother her, because she seems to still have a good relationship with the ruler of Qatar, the Emir of Qatar, Sheikh Tamim bin Hamad bin Khalifa Al Thani, with whom Angela Merkel was strolling in front of a “military parade” in Berlin on September 17, 2014. And the worst thing regarding this issue is that she obviously even wants to provide (Merkel) with weapons that will presumably find their way to the IS-militia eventually.
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Cause and effect is a creational law of nature, so we have to work very hard to cause changes in order to attain the effective peace to sprout and start growing like in a garden, you need to do watering and tilling the soil and weeding out the weeds for it to grow and flourish into real fruit or you can do nothing and let the poisonous mushrooms move in and destroy everything while we all shake our heads and mull around until the fungus grows all over our world. The dark ages is great for mushrooms and terrible for civilization.
Hooray!, back on this one
…hmmm those predictions were a bit off all right.
However – the one thing…about all this…
Over and over there are bash postings of Astrology from those in camp Billy and co. ….the wording usually runs along the line ….’ esoteric nonsense’ – or something like that…if there is anything related to either Astrology or Tarot (which is essentially Astrology in code)
but hmmm, It makes me CONCERNED somewhat – I care about billy’s contacts….and this kind of attitude is too simplistic imo – just doesn’t cut it for a few reasons….and makes those posters to come off as being a bit silly imho. Caveat of course yes i know there is a lot of silly-stuff going on in the world of psychics/mystics etc. that you have to run a mile from – a lot of inane/deceptive/dirtbag stuff – yet however there is the serious stuff too…that is growing in preponderance…and that a lot of people are becoming more aware of.
But of rather more significance , from the point of view of the meier case supporter, there is of course info in contact 9 pertaining to Astrology…that serves quite so as a confirming and validating form. Which basically just points out that it forms essentially a ‘Cosmic Law’ …Therefore is one and the same really…Creational Law, Cosmic Law etc. No? – Bob is immensely right – this whole topic really is of a nature that deserves more attention…is often neglected. There is still so much going on in respect to the ‘proofing’ of the case..but that is really ‘old-hat’ now at this stage…this topic really needs a lot more exploring in the full way…
And so anyway to get to the point i was making…info in contact 9….for a bit of debating/contemplating purpose…
{N.B. I put capitals in a few places just for emphasis – on points where there may a noteworthy point of discussion in relation to the subject at hand, and so therefore my capitalisation at certain points}
115.
Further necessary knowledge regards a cosmic change, of which I have already spoken once.
116. It treats of the “Age of Aquarius”, also called the “Golden Age”.
117. in this respect I must first explain the religious interpretations concerning this epoch are wrong.
118. A certain irresponsible fanaticism treats this as the religiously proclaimed “final days”.
119. By no means is this new age a final time, because in truth it brings real life.
120. This epoch enables everything to develop to highest potential, including spirit, according to PROVIDENCE
121. But it will take many centuries after entering that period to reach such advanced levels.
122. At first, as usual, the irreligious scientists will profit from the new advances while the common people will be restrained by their religions.
123. Caused by the change of epoch, religious people will fall into fanatical religious delusion.
124. Especially the 184 years of the time of change, religious beliefs of all sorts will shoot up like mushrooms and bring many humans under their control.
125. Murder, suicide, and exploitation of all kind, as well as religious slavery to false beliefs will be the daily lot, by which the whole world will be shaken.
126. False prophets will offer salvation publicly in a fanatic search for victims and new followers. (7.
127. This is the initial phase of the “Golden Age”, the transition phase of 184 years.
128. The culmination of this period will come in 2028 (our years).
129. The revolutionary force of this new epoch has begun in 1844, and since then the extensive alterations on Earth rush irresistably forward.
130. The New Age already DEMANDS its tribute, religious delusion, rapidly developing sciences, rampant crime, and wars of extirpation, characteristics of this time which can not be ignored.
131. The first half of the transition period lasted 92 years, until 1936, while the Earth felt the last of the “Age of Pisces” (as it was called).
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181. Since that time, rapidly evolving events, discoveries, inventions, etc., were characteristic as for no other time.
182. This whole sun-system with all its innumerable creatures is under the CONTROL of the new age.
183. Each and EVERYTHING is INFLUENCED by it, because this is a COSMIC LAW
184. It is to this law, to which are SUBJECT all movements of PLANETS and all forms of LIFE in the Universe, that the earth proceeds in the run of cosmic EVENTS since 1844, which according to evolution replaces all hitherto existing regulations not of the Creational character.
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186. The origin of this epochal change is in the radiation effect of the huge central sun around which your system circles once in 25,860 years and passes through 12 epochs within the meaning of your astrologer’s Zodiacs.
187. The Earth has already touched the outer borders of the “Golden Radiation” of the central sun, which are of the strongest and most revolutionary radiation.
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189. But also much mischief is connected with this, quite especially in respect to religions and the use of new discoveries and achievements.
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202. The way-showers of these changes are in cosmic destiny and appear under the Creation laws.
203. The way-preparers for these revolutions (affecting humans) are also human beings who, as prophets and teachers, announce the truths of knowledge and spiritual wisdom.
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205. These way-preparers will be considered revolutionaries, heretics, and exiles, for they will announce the truths for all to see.
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212. These revelations are of much INTEREST, and also of great IMPORTANCE to humans and you should spread the word by all means. This is our desire.
Actually the intention wasn’t at all to bash astrology. The blog was provided so that claims pertaining to it could be made, explained, verified or not, etc. I thought I made it clear that I had certainly experienced accuracy on the part of astrologers before, some of it uncannily accurate.
But there’s also a lot of inaccuracies presented by numerous astrologers…probably most of them in fact. That there is validity to accurate astrology as also hinted at by the Plejaren and is certainly not argued. So because that someone very strongly asserted that they had that correct form of astrology, he was given the opportunity to substantiate it. It was never my intention to either prove A-T wrong, humiliate him, etc. The fact seems to be that he was intractable and tactless in dealing with questions and challenges from his fellows and that he couldn’t retreat from, alter, modify, adapt to it, etc. The opportunity could have been used to back down a bit, view himself as just as fallible as everyone else – all of us in our jobs, pursuits, etc., have probably known the reality of coming up short of our own expectations, reputations, claims, etc. Sometimes the joke’s simply on us when we’ve overreached and/or overstated. Then it’s wise to reevaluate, regroup, admit…and then improve. Hiding our…shame, suppressed feelings of inadequacy, or even very misplaced superiority doesn’t cut it.
So we’re responsible for how we handle the results of our actions, as well as for our part in causing them. The plain truth is that someone’s hurting because of their lack of certain talents or abilities in interpersonal relations and communication; it isn’t really so much about how accurate they were. For them to get, for them to know that we all actually have compassion for them in their situation is not only to be hoped for but also that they know that striking out at others because of their own pain, lack of skills, whatever, is a form of…SELF-PUNISHMENT that we hope they will abandon, as we don’t wish them any hurt, any pain at all.
Dear Astrologers, tarot card readers, etc,
There is no question that the Meier case, with it’s piercing truth, can seemingly bash or destroy certain practices that have a huge mainstream following. I personally love tarot cards; I have been using them for nearly 20 years. According to the Meier material, ALL cards are bad, even playing cards. The reason is because the traditional or mainstream belief is that the cards are a divination or a sign from God, a god, spirit, etc. So divination systems are religious and nonsense according to the Meier case. But could tarot cards be adjusted to fall in line with Creation? In other words, instead of a god giving card readers advice with magic, are we not witnessing Creation unfolding naturally as we pick the cards? And since we are in control of the splitting, shuffling and the layouts, isn’t this all just a product of our subconscious? So I have surmised that picking a card from one of my tarot decks is actually mining my subconscious; and I still have yet to consciously interpret the meaning. I see tarot cards as a window, like astrology, to see beyond. And a good mental exercise. I have practiced over the years and have gotten really good. I just do it for my own personal use and don’t share this with the public. I realize that there is a danger to the truth with tarot cards; so even if I found a “correct” way (which is always a work in progress) the public could still see this in the traditional or religious way. AND I realize that even though I have really tried to aline tarot cards with the laws and directives of Creation, I still may NOT be in line with spirit teaching.
It would be easy for me (or anybody) to get ‘bent out of shape’ if Billy ‘bashed’ (with the truth) my tarot card understanding and it destroyed my system. What would I do, give up the cards? Should I now burn them? I have spent years practicing with them, much time invested. How could I just waste that? Who is Billy Meier anyway? How does he know what he knows about tarot cards?
I suspect poor Astro Tony has hit this brick wall. The only difference is that it is not just a hobby for him, it is his profession. Tony probably puts food on the table, and put a roof over his head, and keeps warm with payment from astrology. But according to the truth, Tony can’t tell his clients that this is accurate. AND Tony’s clients expect a traditional or mainstream astrologer, not some truthful one who is going to tell his clients to ultimately think for themselves. So Billy’s Astrology will not work for money in the current New Age/UFO/paranormal community. Tony would have to give up astrology as a business, if he wanted to aline himself with the Meier case.
Can you ALL see the difficult situation it must be for Tony Vasquez–Professional Astrologer?
It is SOOOO easy for people to abandon the truth because it destroys their little worlds. This explains to me why the UFOIC avoids Meier. Not because they are “sleeping.” Poor Tony is wrestling with it right now. But at least he is still trying to see the Meier case. And that in itself, puts Tony ahead of the curve of fellow astrologers and the marketplace.
The truth, as Billy Meier presents it to us is not easy for anyone. We are all somehow connected to some form of materialism, even if it’s the small bowl of rice you eat once a day. This is not me but an example of a minimal level of materialism. We need SOME materialism to survive. The million dollar question is — how much? The truth forces everyone to re-evaluate, pretty much every aspect of their lives. This, I believe, is why it has been such a hard pill to collectively swallow since it was first brought here thousands of years ago. Some of us have to make bigger changes than others. It doesn’t change the validity of the truth, only the acceptance of it.
I understand where you’re coming from with this to some degree, but I don’t think Tony’s problem lies with what Meier thinks or doesn’t think about his Astrology because from his comments in the past he doesn’t care. Tony has a ‘I’m right no matter what’ kind of mentality not even if its coming from Meier or the P’s knowledge of something which they have proven to be very accurate. I think you should revisit some of his past comments and see what we saw and why Michael simply chose to show him that he’s not always right. And I don’t know his other motives, but it could also set an example of how egotistical arrogance can blind someone’s better judgment or simply keep them from the truth, etc. Whether you avoid the truth or not its always going to be constant and existent, so does it really matter? Remember its all about personal conscious evolution and spiritual growth.
This is true. As you may imagine, A-T still sends “comments” that don’t get posted here for reasons already stated. But I saved this from one that he sent earlier today:
“Your opinion of me and my work, and that of other idiots on this blog, mean nothing to me. NOTHING. None of you have any knowledge of astrology, so it is impossible for you to judge anything about it correctly. Billy is not an astrologer either, so the same goes for him, or anyone else.”
In addition to the usual “You’ll all die soon, etc.” stuff that he of course included, it’s clear that he feels his knowledge is superior to Meier’s the Plejaren, etc. So there it is and, well, there’s really not much more to add. That’s where he stands with it. And no, he didn’t wish us all a Happy New Year.
Sounds like he/she should get a new line of “work”, which is probably the greatest fear in the UFAILO Community, as any sympathy won’t help him/her that actively prowl the Earth like a Lion looking for folks to take advantage of. Everyone is responsible for their own thinking so they have to go about through their own merits and efforts and take responsibility for their missteps and learn on.
Hey There Anthony(?)
Is interesting what you write..
One of the issues , even in respect to those psychics with the true genuine and strong consciousness abilities – it being sometimes they are bringing in a lot of erroneous delusional religious and/or quasi-religious subject matter.. all the old crazy belief systems. – that need to be wiped out at this stage, but they are clueless on that part, and having no way of knowing where real truth lies as they have not yet been exposed to billy’s info. Therefore even though they can help out with things – can get very irritating to hear them harping on about spirit guides & ascended masters or Indian demi-gods and such like. And therefore there is a kind of muddying diluted effect to any reading that is being conducted. If is the case that one is on the receiving end of that kind of thing.
Now another thing that you touched on…in relation to what you wrote..
“But could tarot cards be adjusted to fall in line with Creation? In other words, instead of a god giving card readers advice with magic, are we not witnessing Creation unfolding naturally as we pick the cards?”
do the ‘mystic-arts’ have a place in alongside the spiritual teaching..maybe something to explore.. I hypothesize that it IS possible in an ideal hypothetical sense…yet however with strict qualifiers that are important to note..
First off , they are , in and of themselves an essential part of Creation, no? –
“Creation pervades everything and everything pervades Creation, therefore forming oneness within itself. Within this oneness occur all life and all of the evolution allotted to it.”
and also too, to flesh this out (and people can shoot it out down if they don’t like – (would be interested to hear whatever opinions, is interesting to discuss or has to be.)…I will propose the following scenario using or involving a link…
. http://www.drstandley.com/astrologycharts_dignity_debility.shtml
Now here we have an Astrologer who realizes that the Might of the Thoughts can and will Trump the Astrological background forces…if the intend/desire and necessary willpower are sufficiently put into place to enact a defeating process. He is not willing to let the ‘difficult’ placement of moon in Capricorn defeat him. Rather instead he wants to rise up against and defeat IT. But therefore a side product of this entire example scenario being even though he utilizing the Might of Thoughts, and good on him for doing so, Is it of benefit and usefulness in the first place in relation to ‘knowing’ or being more aware/cognizant of this slightly more difficult or challenging placement in the first place?, more challenging maybe than would be the norm.
Thus also in that regard. Here we see not necessarily a big standoff insofar as which will win or ‘trump’ the other. But rather instead the two harmonizing or working together in a productive way. – and therefore to arrive at a beneficial effect for the Earth human. So again to repeat to view it more as a kind of fluid interchange or dynamic exchange between having knowledge of the background cosmic forces and the willpower and exercising of free-will of respective individual…as it seems to have been set up this way in the first place..so again to maybe think of it as more of unified duality, in maybe kind of yin/yang way. No?
And remember again it seems to be the case , that the P’s are using Astrology themselves. However those important points to note. I think it takes a very LONG time to get a handle on some of these ‘mystic arts’, and so regarding the Plejarens’ very long life-spans , they are better positioned for that in a much more superior way by virtue of their uninterferred-with DNA. Also too their Astrology would be entirely and completely free of the religious and/or quasi religious distracting diluting dopey aspects. So this would be advantageous for them too. So with some of those points being kept in mind. It maybe doesn’t surprise me that Billy advises to steer away from them by and large at THIS point in time at current Terrestrial evolution. As the Spirit teaching is entirely pure, existing in totally pure-form as it were. Now that it has been redelivered again by the new Prophet.
Ok anyway few more points on it that I was thinking…to respond to that comment of yours.
Cheers.
Hi SeanG,
“…psychics with the true genuine and strong consciousness abilities – it being sometimes they are bringing in a lot of erroneous delusional religious and/or quasi-religious subject matter.. all the old crazy belief systems. – that need to be wiped out at this stage, but they are clueless on that part, and having no way of knowing where real truth lies as they have not yet been exposed to billy’s info.”
People have to realize that being “exposed to Billy’s info” does not guarantee people will understand and put into practice the spirit teaching. It takes years for the average mind to even come to the conclusion that the UFO case is even real and that it is worth pursuing. Then there is shedding religion and replacing it with the spirit teaching. Sadly, for many people who get this far, who know this is real because they have really studied it and scrutinized and have come to a conclusion ‘on their won’ that Billy Meier and the Ps are for real, only begin to take baby steps with the spirit teaching. Most people are clueless when it comes to the subject, even the popular ones on the boards professing that they know. Don’t get me wrong. We Earth humans, like many of us on this blog, are doing much, much better than the masses. The people who are trying their best to apply the spirit teaching, the people on this forum for example, if they try daily to understand the Creation and what are its laws and what are these Creational directives, they have accomplished a lot this lifetime. And then try to take that understanding, which is always growing, and single out specific Creational laws, like ’cause and effect’ and see how it applies in their lives over time. Thinking about “overpopulation” on a daily basis as a good example; where we can see numerous examples of cause and effect in the world where we see suffering humans as a result of being completely out of balance with nature and the Creation. Anyone who is serious about becoming powerful in consciousness, or simply applying the might of the thoughts, WOULD be working daily to discover religion around him/herself, and exclude it. The point of all this is that becoming a talented enough with the truth, takes years and years, almost a lifetime just to be walking on their own as a true spiritual human being. LET ALONE TRYING TO SORT OUT OTHER PEOPLES’ LIVES by charging them money for charts and layouts that will most likely be taken in a religious manner because the clients are not students of the spirit teaching themselves. Most people don’t want to admit that contrary to what they really think, they are phonies and idiots. Most people lie to themselves and go along with the crowd making a mess of things. All the while cursing the truth bearers because the experience hurts. So the honest and serious students of this era need to practice neutral-positive-equalized thinking so that when someone bursts their bubble with the truth, they take it standing up and with a mindset for making improvements. How many people are doing this really well, for example?
So the reason Billy Meier does not recommend astrology for example, even though the Plejaren use it, is because the Earth human have out dated and convoluted data (see the Billy Meier blog (explanation) on astrology); PLUS they are struggling to really understand the basics of what spirituality is or putting the spirit teaching into practice. Earth humans are way too primitive at this point in evolution to be trying to revamp astrology around the truth; because the truth of the matter is they don’t have a clue what the truth looks like in practice enough to understand how to modify an astrology mechanism around it. It is an ego thing more than a money thing for the psychic peddlers out there who have been exposed to the truth, through Billy Meier, and yet continue to sling nonsense. And in some cases hurt people when an astrologer might demand that his clients move away because of a chart; and then nothing happens but they left a good job, good schools, good neighborhood, good economy, etc. There are better jobs out there with better paying money in the USA, than slinging as a fortune teller at psychic fairs and UFO weekends. Please, this is not meant as a put down to psychics out there in the community, because I myself practice many arts. But I see the truth that advanced human beings from another space-time configuration, with advanced technology, who have many, many pages of logical explanations for a universe of topics, have a much BETTER grasp of astrology than the tinny Earth worm. I don’t just trust the Meier material. I study it and play with it. And I trust that we Earth humans are way too primitive right now in our evolution to have mastered astrology enough to make it a profession, let alone master being a spiritual person this lifetime. It is a matter of self-responsibility in the end. Do you want to be responsible and not lie to yourself and to your clients by pretending that you are the greatest astrologer who has ever lived? And that lives depend on it? This is Tony’s mistake to make. I just hope that he and other professional psychic readers eventually align themselves with the truth, and not too soon.
Best regards,
Anthony
i am a phoney
Aligna with Alagna. Okay.
Sean G, Anthony, I truly get your point, from my own perspective, I read cards since very early days in my life, for my only own use. After knowing the Meier material I have come to realize that there are more into it that I have could imagined, the card reading is real, the results are accurate, there’s so much learning still to do of how it works than to just overlook at it, from my personal point of view, (and of course I can be very wrong) the reading of cards can very well be a form of remote viewing that pretty much is still in baby steps. I don’t find it wrong to keep on trying to learn more of it, I never took pay of it, and I only use it for guidance on my own path, and it works. Perhaps this will keep on opening doors to further learning of spirituality.
Hi Silvana,
How nice, we both have the cards in common. And I too have tried to make sense of the cards as they would apply to Creation, rather than religion. I think I have a correct form; but I may be wrong too. As much as I too have much success with the cards, I think it is more because of my interest and practice of the spiritual teaching then because of any cards. If anything, trying to figure out consciously, what I have laid out for myself is a wonderful mind exercise or meditation. I think about what has unfolded, by my hand, that moment in time from my inquiry. I see it as a puzzle. And it is a lot of fun too.
But keep in mind, as Darcy points out on the next page from contact 214, “…people who predict using rationally thinking – if he considers, analyzes and, therefore, evaluates all facts precisely – arrives at a prediction rate of about 14 percent reliability, respectively accuracy. So I came to the conclusion that I can use the Meier material to improve those odds too.”
I have a much, much higher success rate because of the “rational thinking” I put into the cards. But I will be the first to admit that these cards are a CRUTCH and NOT necessary; and probably another reason Billy Meier does NOT RECOMMEND CARDS. In other words, the human being does NOT need a physical tool to see the future; the spiritual human should be doing it through the power of his/her consciousness with the might of the thoughts, without the aid of cards. However, I am exercising my consciousness when I am thinking about the puzzle, like interpreting a tree along the path to see its interconnectedness (law of love) to the forest, continent, planet, system, galaxy, universe, etc. We are doing the same thing, I would theorize, when we take that same step outside, by cutting the deck, for instance, to see what pops up first on that journey that we can see as part of the universe. For the most part, since the decks are a multitude of individual, unique cards, we can allocate ‘the many making up the one,’ like a universe or even greater Universe. And then you have the numbers making up the logic.
However, there needs to be a balance here, as well as caution. This is my own unique system that I created; and it would be harmful for people to take up tarot cards with the hopes of success, especially if they have not studied the spirit teaching. This is an experiment and maybe even dangerous to the consciousness. I DO NOT RECOMMEND OR ENDORSE TAROT CARDS with this posting. Tarot cards are NOT part of the spiritual teaching.
Cheers,
Anthony
While we’re still on these topics, a previously unnoticed problem with astrology.
As far as I know, the foundational information that even the best of the astrologers rely on is derived from very old information, mostly anecdotal from observation of behaviors, correlations to planetary positions, etc. Maybe there’s more; it’s not my specialty.
More than likely the observers whose work has formed the foundation weren’t scientists for the most part; they certainly didn’t have access to today’s scientific tools, etc. And because of the way in which the inforation was passed down, and without empirical scientific testing, it seems unavoidable that there is a certain amount of mythical, superstitious, effectively…religious thinking involved.
This isn’t to say that there aren’t accurate things deduced from astrology but with Meier and the Plejaren also saying that we don’t have the correct astrology…maybe we’re actually at a disadvantage in terms of viewing it the way we do.
Any comments?
P.S. The last international visitor to my site was from…Kazakhstan! I don’t think it was Borat though.
“…maybe we’re actually at a disadvantage in terms of viewing it the way we do.”
This is a joke right? Obviously there are many different extremes to how dependent people are to astrology. I think that the majority of the mainstream people who get their charts done or get a reading are doing it with a certain amount of discretion. But then there are fanatics who sadly live and die by the information. This is where religion looks the darkest in astrology. But keep in mind the whole thing is really creating dependence and servitude, two things that destroy spirituality. And some “professionals” inflate their ego, and think that they have some special ability or that they are the greatest. It’s this professional astrologer vs that professional astrologer. When all along, human beings should be throwing down their fortune teller and his story telling and LOOK TO THE TRUTH and take responsibility for oneself and practice the spirit teaching to improve and to be informed. It is no different than the lights in the sky crowd. I see your view that these people should STOP focusing on nonsense; and that they are smart enough to scrutinize and study the case to determine that it is real and then give up Roswell and set a Figu booth with you. Sadly Earth humans would rather chase nonsense and continue to make the same mistakes and misfortunes over and over again by not taking responsibility to develop their minds along the laws and directives of the Universe or quite simply reality.
Technically, with your honey badgering prowess you should be telling these professional “psychics” to stop with their ‘lights in their fantasy minds’ and recognize the truth. Or in other words, calling them all out as phony psychics. ALL of these Earth human fortune tellers and their fortune telling devices are poison.
I think you may have missed what I was speaking about, that for all the information about astrological influences, it seems to me – correct me if I’m wrong – that the foundation upon which all of the interpretations are based, is not in itself empirical. For example, having “the moon in Pisces in the second house” connotes this or that based on certain observations by certain persons, over time, long ago, etc. For all I know these attributes may be correct but the fact is that not only don’t I know but I don’t know that anyone else “knows” in the same way that we can say that certain physical conditions unfailingly produce certain results, over and over.
Therefore, perhaps accuracy in matters astrological may also depend on other factors, or faculties on the part of the person dong that work. While we’re told that the Plejaren have a reliably scientific, correct form of astrology, I am unaware of actual demonstrable, repeatable evidence that there is currently the terrestrial equivalent.
And that’s the ball game right there. There isn’t any proof of “terrestrial” astro-logie that’s separated out of belief. If it was, understanding the management of the stars is the science of astronomy. Before the age of Science, there was what is termed as natural astrology as what Mike mentions that solely is observation based and trying to accurately model the solar system. Then there is what we understand astrology in the modern context today, i.e. all the nutty religious star worshiping behavior that refuse to look into the … telescope.
If we get into the modern context of Astrology, it’s going to look all Greek to folks since a lot of the words and language comes from the Greeks. The sun stands out in particular which can be represented or interpreted by a magician drawing a lion.
Hey Michael,
Yeah no that’s ok – my memory was actually spinning back to a handful of other occasions where other people were posting on it generally.
I can see that you have made the qualifier on it in the opening part of your blog…and all that is quite reasonable. I had noted it.
And the rest of your comment there too – making sense for sure in light of the whole very lengthy and prolonged Vaskue-demus saga.(!)
Now in relation to what I was having memories of. Some otherwise very penetrating Meier supporters …really trashing Astrology in the outright fashion…well just to say again, as i think it maybe needs to be highlighted, essentially this surely needs to be modified or toned down ..Particularly now in light of what is to be read in contact 9. So just principally that point for the most part. There needs to be a balanced maybe more nuanced approach to this topic generally imo, as it is a tricky one for various reasons that I may explore a bit more even.
ok cheers.
something has come to an awareness around the topic of astrology and my perception of the craft along with thinking about it now I have been reading the Meier material. Contact 9, thank you SeanG, talks about the “Age of Pisces” and “passes through 12 epochs within the meaning of your astrologer’s Zodiacs”, it seems to me it is used as a label of time and perhaps not with some sort of meaning behind these “epochs”, maybe it does?, which, (and please correct me if I have this wrong) are stories, much of it derived from Greek/Roman mythologies, some/part taken from viewing nature/animals. Now we are learning about our histories from a completely different point of view, these definitions of the attributes of the 12 signs, could be wrong, could be right in some form, could be right, could be some of the histories we are now aware of are in there…. could they be misconstrued like they/man did to the stories of the “bible” ….. huh, will have to think more on this for it only speculation on my part at this point.
On a different note, I find “187 – The Earth has already touched the outer borders of the “Golden Radiation” of the central sun, which are of the strongest and most REVOLUTIONARY radiation.” interesting to think on.
Just remember not to latch on too hard to the US translation and instead take it as an opportunity to learn more and look at the German translation in order to come to your own conclusions. English has a nasty habit of losing certain context where you cannot be as literal as you like at times or cannot be as specific in as few words as possible and have to reword things to come across the same point if worded differently. An example would be words like “Uncle”, “Aunt”, or “Grand Father/Mother”. Which side of the family are we talking about?
“The highest form of ignorance is to reject something you know nothing about.” — WD
Rob,
Is your quote some kind of defense of Tony or astrology?
We know plenty to reject Tony’s claims. He said 90% accuracy — the record shows something well short of that. And no one has rejected astrology wholesale. MH and even Meier and P’s have acknowledged there is some merit in it — but, apparently very little merit in Tony’s way overhyped brand of astrology.
Also, did you ever say why you only give initials when you quote? If you think the ‘message is more important than the messenger’, that’s fine, but nevertheless, if you are going to quote someone you should probably properly attribute it. Not to mention it’s likely a little frustrating for the reader.
Andy,
After observing the remarks of some of participants on this blog entry, it became clear this quote may be of interest.
As to your first question, it was already answered in a previous blog that you had responded to.
If you would like the source of anything quoted, I’d be happy to provide it upon request — most of these are easily confirmed via the web.
Compared with getting the proper contextualized translation of BEAM materials, this is probably less frustrating, and perhaps even less necessary if the concept of the quote is in agreement. 🙂
Here is one that you may find interesting:
“In questions of science the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual.” — GG
Rather than have people go back and forth, it really would be simpler if the author’s name accompanies the quote.
It doesn’t necessarily make the quote more or less valuable, just gives proper attribution.
Since SeanG took the time to clarify a few points from the Contact Reports, I do recall a conversation from Semjase to Meier about the astrology symbols and their influences. I could not recall which one at that time and have now finally located it. (Perhaps this was already discussed and if so please skip).
CR#66:
Semjase:
26/These symbols were first used around 12,000 years ago by our forefathers,
but in the run of time have changed several times, and once even went completely lost … 27/But they somehow have always returned, and were again revisioned into their original likenesses. 28/They have remained until the present, as they now also exist in their actual original shapes. 29/Each single symbol contains a quite unique and characteristic meaning, showing the quality of the particular planet or star, but which then convert themselves into radiations in all creatures, too, from which they manifest in their characteristic way and accordingly show that quality, expressing itself in all physical, psychical and spiritual realms.
It may be of interest to note that specifically all three realms are affected by these influences.
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If you accept these conversations, then it would lend credence that the foundation of astrology originated not just by pure observation and trials-and-errors from terrestrials alone, but was contributed by the Lyrians themselves. Further down in the conversation it does say that astrology as it is known on Earth is only accurate at times due to not accounting down to the seconds. (If so, why did the Plejarens disclose down to the “seconds” of the birth of the prophets, as well as others, to complete the academic pursuit on this topic?) Also, it seems odd that Semjase did not mention the influence of the central sun as a factor when the topic of accuracy was discussed. This can implicate that even though the central sun does come into play as suggested by BEAM, the idea that the primary influences are the planets of the closest proximity may be valid. Cayce’s has done many readings relating to astrology that may be worthwhile of exploration by those in the field.
Sure, the problem is that what is known by the Plejaren and what constitutes the body of terrestrial knowledge may not be one in the same. That here have been alterations, additions, deletions to the ancient knowledge form their forefathers is obvious.
That would be true of any body of knowledge where reliable written records are not kept. Actually, if one reads carefully, Semjase already addressed part of your concern in line #28, repeated below:
“28/They have remained until the present, as they now also exist in their actual original shapes.”
What would it take for it to reappear in their “actual original shapes?”
Re-reading of the quotated conversation a 3rd time tells me that Semjase is probably practicing “concealing the truth.” There is no randomness in the lost shapes re-emerging as they “originally were.” What kind of scientific probability does it take to strike that kind of odds that observational astrologer(s) drew the shapes as they actually were practices by the Lyrians especially since they were “completely lost” for a time?
Lastly, the quote hopefully addresses the hypothesis that you had formulated in this particular case.
“… the foundational information that even the best of the astrologers rely on is derived from very old information, mostly anecdotal from observation of behaviors, correlations to planetary positions, etc.”
Duke, I don`t read in German but wish I could. German is not an easy language to learn so my father told me when he wad alive. He studied German in college and found it very difficult to study. “Be prepared to study German because it`s a hard difficult language to learn and study. I have trouble understanding German. I find it easer to read in English and need to understand just what is being said since I am hearing impared with hearinaids in both ears so I have to be able to understand and get the basic cotent down so I can understand the meaning and the purose of what Billy and the P`s are saying especially with the Spiritual Teachings. Learning German is very time consuming. You`ll need to spend a lot of time studying German. just trying to understand what they are talking and saying in German can be a real chalange. As long as I understand what they are getting at, that is what is important for me, as long as I can get the important message, that`s what counts for me.
Depends on interest more than anything else. You really cannot absorb anything if you’re going through the motions and forcing one’s way through it. It is mainly for discovery as sometimes word combinations and word meanings reveal interesting things at times that DOES get lost in translation.
I just thought of something. Got an idea. Is there anyone over at the SSSC who has any time on their hand who Who can speak English and can write and tech us how to speak and write in Swiss-German and give us a course on how to speak and write in Swiss-Ge rman? This is just an idea that just poped into my mind.
Swiss german is not really a written language from what I understand. Not like high german. I’ve had a few Swiss tell me this. So it loses some value in that respect for eliminating confusions and such. High german is better for disseminating the spirit teaching on these grounds. I looked for Swiss german courses but never saw any that I could use.
Contact report 209 states that we were cannibals in the good old days at least Tony won’t eat us after we die, I hope.
” Dignity is only to be spoken of when suffering and pain are endured and the best and highest qualities are learned from this.”…Contact report 209. This has something to do with spiritual teaching in the fine senses or the well what, I don’t know yet.
” one’s own responsibility toward his life’s duty and his life’s meaning.” again quote from 209, okay I understand the responsibility part, however no way can I say I have a life duty or meaning because materially speaking there was no written instructions included with my birth arrival, that would be read by the doctor after slapping my ass.
Darcy, AT thinks we are idiots and wishes us all dead. As far as I`m concerned, I`d just ignore this bum and wish AT the same too!:)
I wish everybody on Earth to have a stable mind and to create peace as an effect of cause and effect rather than falling into the abyss of doing unright. It actually takes time to think how to do right and it is easy to react to everything because that takes no effort in time to think about the consequences.
Giant Geysers on Jupiter’s Moon Europa Have Gone Missing – weather.com
http://www.weather.com/science/news/jupiter-moon-europa-water-plumes-missing
Contact report 212 and Quetzal states…” 81. But on the other hand, one also spoke of the fact that predicting for the Earth person bears no fruit because, despite the warnings of the evil events of the future, he continues in his old style.”
That nails it quite simply and well.
Agreed, the truth. Also read Contact report 214 paragraph 26.5 through to 32…it explains astrologers get it right at a maximum of 3-4% because of pure chance due to the fate of cause and effect, whereas people who predict using rationally thinking – if he considers, analyzes and, therefore, evaluates all facts precisely – arrives at a prediction rate of about 14 percent reliability, respectively accuracy. So I came to the conclusion that I can use the Meier material to improve those odds too.
I certainly didn’t use astrology when I pinpointed the Meier case to “Switzerland 1975” as the place and time of coming public nine years prior to my discovering it. I used as much rational thinking and exploring of as many subjects and angles as possible which was largely spurred by enormous pain, sadness, anger and annoyance at the world around me for what it was as well as intense loneliness (often to a point of contemplating ending my own life). Every time I hit rock bottom, more calculations would just bubble up to the surface through intense exploration. Calculation and intense thinking were my only ways to get through the pain and transcend it. I could not depend on anyone else around me unfortunately. They were all religiously or otherwise deluded. I knew that if I did enough calculations, I would eventually find the people in this mission. Natures laws work equally for every human being in the universe. It plays no favorites. Many other calculations about information you’ll find in the Meier case about some of our genetic history, reincarnation (from facing the suicide question over and over again as well as questioning where natural talents I had for certain things came from), history of religions and so forth also came to me that way which says that Meier is definitely talking from a place of fundamental logic since I who was totally unrelated to the case came to the same conclusions, in the same way that a kid in Zimbabwe and a kid in Alaska would both eventually figure out that 2+2=4. Despite the many religions I was learning about which did not mention any of this, but they certainly helped the questions along. As Billy points out, to learn the spirit teaching, you just have to spend enough time in nature alone observing it and you can learn it yourself. As long as we start out with the realization that nature’s laws are unchangeable and objective, even though our understanding of them continuously grows, we can learn from it and eventually sort out more and more accuracy. I’m intensely glad I knew nothing about astrology back then. Just fundamental logic, basic science, basic math and so applied it. Again and again and again until I found the most important case in human history (which would be relatively easy considering the intensely logical nature of the people involved and the enormous historical importance it has). I knew I wouldn’t find figu through UFO communities or any other mainstream communities because they have very contradicting agenda’s. Hence why it took so long to find afterwards. And I kind of gave up for a while because I had to sort out my life at the end of my teenage years which were a crying mess. I just knew I had the framework for it put together then and that when I found the case, it would meet many many many specific criteria, the first two being Switzerland 1975.
I think about this difficult period in my life every single day because it reminds me that hard work through enormous pain really does actually pay off. It inspires me to keep going. And it also reminds me of the wonderful people who are now in my life as a result. Compared to that intense loneliness and anger I felt back then driving me almost to suicide, this is pretty amazing 🙂 It’s like the difference between choking to death or being able to breath. Not a day goes by where I don’t think about this period in my life because it inspires me more than anything else to keep going, to keep searching, to keep working hard, to keep learning hard and keep at it.
I was a failing student and I could figure it out. There were much smarter people than I around me at the time I thought. I was always the stupid one. The nobody. I realized though, it’s not what you know so much. It’s just how you use what you know. Since I could figure this out with basic grade 3 maths, it couldn’t be a matter of complexity but simply application and putting in the time. That’s it. Every time.
“If it is human nature to not want to change when change means stepping down from one’s own existing levels of comfort, then it would also be human nature to experience forced change through forced suffering.
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Natural Curiosity alone without suffering rarely prompts lasting personal change.”
The above is in reply to Darcy’s post on January 5, 2015 at 2:20 am, since this blog software’s nesting reply feature is somewhat confusing.
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For what it’s worth, if it is true that the Plejaran can and do visit the future, then nothing is really changeable. Everything will happen as they have seen. If this time travel thing is a scam, then the opposite is true, and anything that is foreseen can be changed. Remember the palantirs of Feanor. They could see far into the distant past or the future, but depended on the strength of mind of the person looking into them, to be able to control their power and see past the Eye of Sauron.
Is the HP derived from time travel?
How many “future” trips have the Plejarens made that was revealed in the BEAM material?
How many futures were kabbalistically calculated?
I don’t know but let’s remember that only a fraction of Meier’s information has been translated into English.
I think I must’ve been on Malona, for that name creeps over me like a dark river of despair. . . . That must’ve been the planet Tolkien wrote about.
There is lots of ‘Math’ in Astrology! Lol
Astrology, mathematics and measurement
Mathematics is not a calculation. The addition, subtraction and multiplying of numbers is applied mathematics. The science of mathematics is about quantity, space and abstract structures – beautiful structures like cathedrals and birthcharts. And your chart’s simplicity and richness of detail make it an object of art.
In mathematics, especially geometry, the birthchart is a dynamic moving structure. The planets have become mathematical points in space and the zodiac has become a mathematical framework and your birthchart has become a mathematical pattern of your character, the only blueprint of your mind and temperament that’s currently available. This means that the planets and signs in your chart symbolize forces within your mind and the application of numbers and mathematical rules – applied mathematics – allows you to solve the most intangible and elusive problems regarding your human nature.
Mathematics is the master-key of Aquarian Age science. It’s essential to all the sciences. From the scientific angle the key point is measurement, and astrology, in order to gain recognition as a science, had to be dealt with in terms that correspond to mathematical formulae. So, Hermetic astrology developed a method for measuring the strength and functionality of each individual marker in any birthchart. That’s when mathematics and astrology became a dynamic combination, but mathematics can’t prove or disprove astrology.
Astrology is surprisingly mathematical. Numbers permit the accurate measurement of the astrological energies pictured in any birthchart and now they have revolutionized the way the birthchart is assessed and understood. Mathematics is central to problem solving and problem solving is central to your life experience, and the application of numbers will assist you to solve problems and self-develop in the most effective way.
Measurement is indispensable when interpreting human behavior. And the mathematical measurements in astrology provide a numerical description of your nature. They provide precise quantitative and qualitative measurements of the astrology code displayed in your birthchart. The measurements allow you to reason about yourself using numbers. They’re the means by which more precise conclusions can be drawn from the astrological data. When evaluating your birthchart the numbers take away the guesswork and permit a clearer understanding of the astro-data. They will revolutionize your capacity to understand yourself and to evaluate and examine new situations as they arise.
Your birthchart is a mathematical model of your character and the rules of astrology allow you to precisely calculate and forecast your character’s reaction to circumstance. Astrology geometrized psychology. But this is only one of its many applications. Pythagoras said that mathematics was the language of nature. The laws of nature are made of numbers. Later they described time. They’ve become the laws of motion and your self-development is a moving process, not a series of static frames. So mathematics offers you a powerful way of understanding your astrology code and of thinking about yourself.
The issue that I am commenting on is the attributes that some people have given to the planets, their positions, interactions, etc. I’m simply saying that as far as terrestrial astrology is concerned, the actual accuracy of these attributions is not factually, scientifically established, as far as I know. So I’m not arguing with the math…I’m questioning how accurate the meanings we accept about it are.
Perhaps reflecting on how the Plejarens/Lyrians derived their astrological knowledge (over time) would help to understand the process of evolution that terrestrials will need to undertake to improve upon the same (or any other subject, for that matter).
That makes perfect sense.
“Pythagoras said that mathematics was the language of nature.”
It was also revealed in Cayce’s readings about the relationship of mathematics and the universe.
Not surprisingly, Semjase confirmed the same in one of the early contacts.