This particular blog will be a place, or forum, for discussing meanings in the various texts in the Billy Meier case, including from the spiritual teaching, contact notes, etc. People can interact here to offer their opinions, attempts to clarify, agree or disagree about the meanings.
This will allow a bit more digression from other specific topics, though it won’t be a place for personal attacks, occultism, conspiracies, etc. The comments should be in reference to the content of the Meier material.
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Piyali, this is in response to your comment under Internet Anonymity.
Michael, I am posting this in this more appropriate thread.
Piyali, keep in mind that that part of OM originates from ancient times when there was a different culture, and when prostitutes actually wore a certain makeup as part of their caste-costume. I don’t know what the Passive Group Members said, but in my view a “Hure” is someone, male or female, who is involved in sexual relations for anything other than love as a reward, i.e. as a kind of unfair exchange and scam involving the manipulation of the feelings and desires of the “john”, regardless of whether money or a material reward is involved or not. My thought is that this is related to the word “Heuer”, a sailor’s pay, i.e. meaning a kind of egocentric, loveless resp. hateful exchange based on false love. In this sense, also cult-religions are a kind of “Hure”, as are international economies and multicultis that deceive other countries into debt (e.g. the USA, IMF), &c.
A lot of things in OM are symbolic and based on the prevalent culture of the time.
I would certainly say that “Bemalung” is symbolic there, and not literal,
i.e. it symbolizes a false beautification in order to attract prey to the predatory “Hure”.
By the way, I think we should distinguish between those things which are a TEACHING from the Plejaren and those things which are just a matter of cultural difference between us and the Plejaren. With regard to makeup, it appears for sure that Semjase and Asket have at least some kind of eye-shadow on. I really think this is symbolic, but hypocrites will always return to their misogynistic and sexually verklemmt ways.
Heuern = to hire a boat, to hire a ship. A ship is something unbound which goes from one port to another. The symbolic resonance is evident.
Salome Matthew, thank you so much for this additional info, esp. in reference to “Heuer”. Learned something new. Some of it that you share here, is my understanding too.
I read and contemplated deeply on the words and translation, read everyone’s take on it, discussed with my friends and came to my own conclusion after Dyson, very kindly reached out and shared with me the original OM Cannon together with the translation he provided, as also did Indie (Robyna Foley) in the Figu English Forum. They gave me plenty of food for thought.
All of this was thoroughly discussed at the Figu English Forum, and even when Sheila Clarke ( I hope I am spelling her name correctly), threw that word at me, repeatedly and illogically asking me if I found the meaning to the word “Hure” with the shallow excuse of her asking as being how I did not want to accept Dyson’s translation, and completely missing the point, I actually gave her my answer, which I did not have to.
Now as soon as she saw me comment here, which I usually refrain from doing, she brings up Eddie and throws “hure” all over again out of the blue, that had nothing to do with the Blog Michael had posted. I was so surprised. I wonder what her real motives or reasons might be? I found it very curious to say the least. She seems to have been a round the Meier material much longer than I from what I gathered during my research in the Figu English Forum, and yet, this is her attitude. Very strange.
I suggest that we try to now move and keep the conversation focused more on the actual issues and less on personalities, disputes, etc.
I’ve allowed all parties to have their say and I actually think it would be more productive if, in this case, Sheila and Piyali actually took the opportunity to communicate directly and…defuse any hostilities, find common ground, etc. Knowing both parties to be good people with strong personalities, opinions, etc., I think it might be a productive interaction. After all, we’re essentially all on the same side, concerned with and focused on the truth. So making the corrections and adjustments to clear up misunderstandings could only bring good results.
While I don’t want to take on more work, if requested I’ll provide both parties with contact info for the other in this instance for the sake of harmony (peace, love and freedom as well!).
Thank you Michael. I do not think I want to have any interaction with Sheila at this time. If she addresses me again, she will be ignored. Perhaps someday in the future, if an opportunity to come face to face should come by, and she throws the “hure” around at me all over again, I’ll consider responding or not. I am tired of her game and rally would like to focus on a more productive discussion. 🙂 Salome.
Hi Piyali,
But please consider that I was suggesting a mutual “olive branch” here and I have to point out that you used the opportunity to get in a bit of victim-hood and some jibes. Please just take a look at that and consider that while you don’t have to communicate directly with each other it isn’t right to keep that fire going when we should be seeking to put it out.
I hold to this opinion that the world and the whole Universe are simply fantastic, and it is worthwhile to live and enjoy every second.
Thank you on behalf of the world and the whole Universe.
I was reading CR 169 sentence 73 and further on, it really is good advice to the better. I learned more from reading it.
This comment is for the member who calls himself “Duke”.
Salome Duke, with regard to my sentence: “The Plajaren women also use makeup in their own way”, I too did not think that the Plejaren women wore makeup and I still am not sure about it. However, what I wrote is my assumption from reading thoroughly, the heated and very interesting discussion on this very subject matter. I learned a lot from the exchanges between us members in the Figu English Forum.
It seems to me that no one is really clear about it, and most assume they do not wear make up because of the personal opinion expressed by the Plejaren Semjase to Billy about makeup. There is an extensive discussion on this topic, but no one really knows for sure.
I would like to bring your attention to this post I have copied and pasted here for you from the Figu English Forum, but who really knows for sure and does it really matter? They are 30 million plus years ahead of us, and so how they say what with regard to themselves, should not be the yardstick to judge someone at our level of evolution on earth, for then those who judge unreasonably fall short.
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Contact 54, Semjase speaks about coloring her eyes:
German:
Billy: Danke, ich werde es bestellen. Du hast aber recht, die Frage bezüglich der Intelligenz stammt von jemandem Fremden, von einer Frau, deren Name ich nicht kenne. Aber sag mal, habt ihr alle blaue Augen bei euch?
Semjase
24. Unsere Augenfarben sind so verschiedenartig wie bei euch auf der Erde.
Billy:Aber deine sind recht schön blau, sie sind ein wirklich erfreulicher Anblick.
Semjase
25. Du beliebst Komplimente zu machen, danke.
26. Es ist dies meine natürliche Augenfarbe, aber wir Frauen belieben unsere Augen auch zu färben.
Billy: Aha, genauso verrückt wie die Frauen bei uns, die glauben nämlich auch, dass das schön sei. Aber jedem Tierchen sein Pläsierchen.
Semjase
27. Du liebst es nicht?
Billy: So eine fürchterliche Kriegsbemalung? Nein, das finde ich ekelhaft.
Semjase
28. Womit du sicher nicht so unrecht hast, denn es entwürdigt die Schönheit des Natürlichen.
Billy: Genau diese Ansicht habe ich auch. Weisst du, etwas dezent Rouge aufgetragen oder so, das finde ich ganz in Ordnung, aber die heidnische, kriegerische Schreckbemalung, das entspricht wahrhaftig dem Letzten.
Rough English translation:
Semjase:
24. Our eye colors are as varied as you on Earth.
Billy: But your are pretty blue, they are a really pleasing sight.
Semjase:
25.You like to make compliments, thank you.
26.This is my natural eye color, but we women love to color our eyes as well.
Billy: Aha, just as crazy as the women with us who believe that is also that it was beautiful. But each his own.
Semjase:
27:You do not like it?
Billy: Such a terrible war paint? No, I find it disgusting.
Semjase:
28: What that you are not so wrong, because it degrades the natural beauty.
Billy: Exactly this is my view. You know, a little sublet rouge of something, that I think is perfectly fine, but the pagan, warrior fear painting, that is really the last.
Salome,
Jacob
As for me, all I know is that I know nothing.
~ Socrates
I am an earth woman who doesn’t wear make-up, finding this a bit of a degrading practice, that women should feel that they have to colour their faces in order to have an appearance acceptable to men.
Most women wear makeup for themselves, not for men.
I think it’s certainly fair to say that some/most also wear it to attract attention from the desired others, male or female.
Logic tells us that it isn’t simply to be able to occasionally pass a mirror and…reflect on their handiwork. It’s also been a cultural norm, in a number of places, for some time. So I think it’s also fair to say that it isn’t always a conscious or deliberate attempt to conceal or hide their true selves, though it may certainly have that effect.
Here are some articles about studies showing that:
Wearing makeup is beneficial to a woman’s career and not just her attractiveness to men or to herself:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/10/13/fashion/makeup-makes-women-appear-more-competent-study.html?_r=0
Wearing makeup has a basis in evolutionary biology:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/meet-catch-and-keep/201502/5-research-backed-reasons-we-wear-makeup
And, curiously, one study found that many men agree with Billy about less makeup rather than more being more attractive:
http://time.com/79584/science-women-less-makeup/
Well, if men find women more attractive with less makeup, but makeup increases the apparent “competence” of women, that certainly runs against the idea that women wear it solely to fit some patriarchal standard laid down by men, doesn’t it?
Another significant observation is that women wear different kinds of makeup depending on the circumstances.
In my observation, a woman does not wear the same kind of makeup to attract men as she does to go to a job-interview.
Maybe the “Kriegsbemalung” type of makeup is about enhancing a dominant, aggressive-seeming appearance and being taken seriously on the job, as part of the “uniform” including a dress-suit or a suit.
Generally, given its function as a kind of clothing, and also statements in OM about people similarly creating an exaggerated impression with their “fine garments”, I take this all to be symbolic of people concealing their true face and putting on a display to manipulate others. It has nothing to do with wearing nice clothes or makeup in the literal sense.
I agree, at least it is in my case…being born with small eyes a touch of makeup greatly enhances them. Born in Southern California, now with skin damage from all the “baby oil” slathered on in my young days as a surfer chick :). Now in my middle 60s a little natural makeup helps with keeping this damage at bay. Both contribute to feeling better about my looks which, personally, I see no harm in, one helps the health of my facial skin. This at one time surfer chick is now living on the Central Coast of Calif, trying to remember to wear a wide brim hat….lol
This is what I really wanted to know with regard to the word “hure”, that dear Sheila loves to throw at me. 🙂 Indie, from the Figu English Forum shared this with us for which I am truly grateful and which gave an opportunity to deeply reflect on:
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I thought it would be fitting to provide the section from the OM, where the original comment about makeup and whores came from.
I have read all the sections in the OM to do with whores, and definitions of its meaning in the FIGU dict etc., and I do think I understand what the verse is saying, which is a little different of course to various comments that have been made in this discussion.
We have to remember that taking a sentence out of context will often lead to errors in interpretation. It is bad enough that we have to translate the words, but to add to the confusion various different interpretations can just make the matter worse.
I will attempt to not make anything worse by providing a translation, looked over by two others and agreed upon for now, of the verses in question.
I also want to mention that using logical argumentation, allows us to make sure when drawing a conclusion that we not only have a valid argument, but also a sound one, and one that is persuasive or recognisable as a truth or reasonable. Without these elements in an argument with a conclusion, there can be much trouble gained.
It is clear from my translation efforts that by wearing makeup does not make one a whore. That should never have even been an option for a thinking person.
One definition for ‘whore’ is the more traditional one: A woman (or man) who engages in sexual intercourse for money or even just ‘a promiscuous woman’. However, there is another more general definition and I do think this is applicable here:
“Someone (male or female) who compromises oneself for money or other gains”
In this latter context I think the following verses will show themselves to be referring generally, and also referring to those ‘whores’ of the traditional definition as an example only.
Also, in the FIGU dictionary, a whore is described more as someone who uses sexual enticement as part of their motives, and the use of makeup is part of that. But of course not all people who wear makeup are doing so in order to sexually entice someone. We must use some common sense here!
Bemalung means ‘ornamental painting’ in days of yore, but now the word makeup will suffice.
From the OM, Kanon 32
210. Selbst ein unhübsches Weib wird gepriesen, wenn es in wahrlicher Liebe lebt.
210. Even a woman, who is not goodlooking, is praised/lauded/celebrated when she lives in true love.
211. Schönheit erlangt das Weib nicht durch die Bemalung ihres Anlitzes, denn gleichsam ein Frevler das Leben schändet, macht sich das Weib durch die Angesichtsbemalung zur Hure, denn sie spottet dadurch dem Natürlichen.
211. Beauty is not attained by the woman by applying makeup to her face, because in the same way a malefactor defiles, a woman who applies makeup to her face makes herself (look = Robyn’s addition) like a whore, because she thereby mocks the natural.
212. Natürlichkeit ist die Schönheit des Weibes, Bemalung des Angesichts aber zerstört die Natürlichkeit, gleichsam einer Taube, die im Pfuhle wühlt und sich wie eine Sau beschmiert.
212. Naturalness is the beauty of a woman, but makeup on the face destroys the naturalness, like a dove which rolls in the mud and besmears itself like a sow.
213. Die Merkmale der Huren und Hurenbuben sind ihre Bemalung des Angesichts, wie der schillernde Panzer dem Skarabäus, der im Miste wühlt.
213. The characteristics of whores and male-whores are makeup on their faces, like the shimmering shell of the scarab, which rummages in the dung.
214. Die Grösse der Weisen besteht unter anderem darin, dass sie den Schmuck der Lebensklugheit tragen, und dass sie selbst beim Eintritt argen Missgeschicks etwas einmal Begonnenes nicht aufgeben.
214. The greatness of the wise ones, among other things, consists thereof that they wear life’s true discernment as the ornaments, and that even at the occurrence of severe misfortune, they do not give up whatever they have started.
At the end of the day, anyone has the right to wear makeup if they choose to, as part of free will. The wearing of makeup can be at all different degrees, and for many different reasons, and does not always mean one is trying to sexually entice, has a self esteem issue or any other of the suggestions that have been offered previously. On the other hand, it might be of good sense, to know ones motivation in all things, including adorning the body with makeup, jewelry, tatoos and clothing of all kinds etc……
I hope this helps shed some light on the issue.
Salome
Robyn
Denken Sie für sich selbst!
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And here is what Dyson shared with me, with all of us in response to my posts, for which too I am very grateful, and gave me plenty of food for thought as well, even though he thought I was harboring some very erroneous ideas about how a Real announcer of Truth comports himself, which was not true and I already addressed that. Besides that part of the response below is not important here in terms of understanding the cannon containing the word “hure”, which Sheila singled out specifically for me for reasons of her own.
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Dear Piyali,
Please be assured that I don’t feel in any way “disgusted, attacked, disrespected, etc.” regarding your recent posts about me and the (“poor”) quality of my thinking and work for Billy. Quite the contrary, I thank you for your kind words and hope I can now use this opportunity to address some of your understandable concerns about the contents of the OM, which (as I understand it anyway), like the Geisteslehre, will never be officially translated in its entirety. Naturally, this results in many serious misconceptions and much unknowing speculation.
Last Sunday, June 16th, you wrote, “I protested and reacted to the translation on makeup making women look like ‘whores’, because I could not believe, and still cannot believe, that a highly evolutive book such as ‘OM’ could be translated into such crass English words. There’s got to be more to that, and till I can read it myself, I hold Dyson’s translation suspect. My own consciousness refuses to accept this translation.”
Happily, you don’t have to believe anything. In fact, I hope you don’t just “believe” anything or anyone: as Billy says, “Not even me”.
“Golden Age of Knowledge” and all that, right? 🙂
So I’m actually glad you suspect my translations. I think everybody should, since it seems to me that a lot of people simply swallow everything as dogma, losing sight of the fact that Billy and Ptaah, et al, never actually SAID ANY of those things. That’s one reason we should all learn German, as both Vivienne and I did (as adults) so we’re no longer required to simply “believe” translations. It’s not that hard if you love the truth. And as it says in the OM, (53:26) “Wer die Wahrtheit nicht mit seinem Verstande, sondern mit Glauben erfassen will, der kann die Früchte aus ihr nicht ernten.“ (He who will not comprehend the truth with his reason, but with his belief, cannot harvest the fruit from it.)
BTW, here’s the missing context (being my March 27, 2007 reply) to the forum exchange (being http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/863/6919.html#POST26199 ) dug out by Matt last week on June 14th, that reignited the cosmetics debate. You might find other surprising information about OM in this posting too. http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/13/6933.html#POST26285
And I think you may be harbouring some VERY erroneous ideas, Piyali, about how a REAL announcer of the truth comports himself. He’s not like the pope. Please see my addendum. There are “crass” words within Billy’s many texts. In fact, sometimes the most accurate translations produce English words that are literally unprintably “crass”. In the contact notes, Billy has occasionally referred to people as, for instance, “schmierige Hundesfotte” – literally: smeary (or greasy, slimy, sleazy, etc.) dog c*nts, being a vulgar English slang word for the vulgar German slang word connoting: the passage leading from the opening of the vulva to the cervix of the uterus for copulation and childbirth in female mammals. But please make your own translation of “schmierige Hundesfotte”. Don’t take my word for it. This item has been debated in years past on this forum, which has a very good search engine.
Please read the below German excerpt from the OM, where I note that the word, “Hure” (whore) appears almost a hundred times, and share your thoughts with the other forum folks about my “English” translation (which suffers slightly from being FIGU-correct). But I haven’t returned, and I won’t respond. I’m just passing through, busy as I am now on our book number two, “Die Art zu Leben” – working title: “How to Live”. Look for it around the end of 2014.
The OM is huge. Its 501 pages has no index and I don’t have a searchable soft copy, so it wasn’t easy for me to find this, or I would have offered it in 2007. Anyway, to assist your consciousness in its acceptance of the truth, until your own copy arrives, Piyali, I offer you the following.
OM (copyright 1987/2011) page 213, Canon 32, Verses 211 – 213
Schönheit erlangt das Weib nicht durch die Bemalung ihres AnIitzes (Antlitzes), denn gleichsam ein Frevler das Leben schändet, macht sich das Weib durch die Angesichtsbemalung zur Hure, denn sie spottet dadurch dem Natürlichen. Natürlichkeit ist die Schonheit des Weibes, Bemalung des Angesichts aber zerstört die Natürlichkeit, gleichsam einer Taube, die im Pfuhle wühlt und sich wie eine Sau beschmiert. Die Merkmale der Huren und Hurenbuben sind ihre Bemalung des Angesichts, wie der schillernde Panzer dem Skarabäus, der im Miste wühlt. (The woman does not obtain beauty through the painting of her face, because, in the same form that an offender defiles the life, the woman makes herself into a whore through the face painting, because she mocks thereby that which is natural. Naturalness is the beauty of a woman, but the painting of the face destroys the naturalness, in the same way that a dove wallows in a mud-hole and smears itself like a pig. The characteristics of whores and whore-boys are their painting the face like the shimmering shell of the scarab which wallows in the dung.)
I hope this has adequately addressed your concerns.
Cheers!
Dyson
505. Ganz besonders beim Erdenmenschen herrscht die irrige und gefährliche Ansicht vor, dass ein guter Wahrheitskünder, ein guter Prediger oder ein guter Lehrer der Wahrheitslehre usw. und also auch ein guter Prophet voller demütiger Haltung sein müsse, nur liebe und feine, gewählte und diplomatische Worte sprechen und allzeit nur freundlich sein müsse. (With Earth humans, predominates quite especially, the erroneous and dangerous view that a good announcer of truth, a good preacher or a good teacher of the true teachings, and so forth, and therefore also a good prophet, must be full of humble bearing, only speak pleasing and elegant, chosen and diplomatic words, and must always only be friendly.)
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/meierv6p379.htm
P.S. I never heard of Asket or Semjase wearing makeup. Where’s it say THAT?
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Again here, it isn’t necessary to indulge in any self-pity or attack when it isn’t going on in the here and now. Let’s all take a few breaths and remember what Salome is supposed to mean!
A preoccupation with either attractiveness or purity represents an imbalance of the mind, i.e. hate. The one means pathological desire, the other pathological fear. Some people are cowards, and as a result hate that which does not fit their delusional ideal, whether that be too beautiful or too ugly for their liking. Only a person with out of control hate is either of those, i.e. those that shun or hate the sensual are just as bad as those that shun the “ugly”.
My impression is that Semjase’s comments about makeup have more to do with the toxic chemicals used in it than with the use of beautification-products. As I said, just look at the alleged photo of Asket – she is wearing eye-shadow. Unless that is really a switcheroo with Michelle DellaFave, then that is proof positive that these puritans are 100% wrong.
In most cases women wear make up or tattoos because they do not value what creation has given them.
I suppose vanity also plays a part.
Joe, excuse me, but who the hell are you to tell women what to do with their own faces?
Matthew,
I see Joe as expressing an opinion, not telling women what to do. Is your opinion any more valid because it’s about another man’s perceptions?
He did not qualify it as “I think” or the like, but said “in most cases”, as if it is a fact. This is no better than the Vatican telling people that gay marriage is an “abomination” or Orthodox Jews spitting on 12-year-old schoolgirls for wearing skirts (part of their uniform) that are above the ankle.
He’s not…the pope, or a religious leader (to my knowledge). He’s another person with opinions, etc. – as you have also demonstrated that you possess about a number of things.
I think that most women wear make-up because of the dictates of the fashion industry, which influences how women think they should appear in society. It is also a means of covering up the true face, hiding misery or pain that the person may be feeling. It creates a hard external visage which is impervious to darts being thrown at it from hostile people. It protects the fragile creature inside. However, its appearance is fundamentally a lie. The natural or real person becomes invisible, if protected.
Matthew , excuse me can you please absorb what I actually said.
I did not say what a woman can or cannot do. I just commented why they do it.
Dude, look at the photo of Asket. She has on eyeshadow, eyeliner, lipgloss and blush!
The one thing I remember Billy saying about makeup is that he liked it when a women wears a little rouge or something but not a “Kriegsbemalung” (war-paint) like some do – and that was just his personal aesthetic opinion.
Piyali,
It’s been some years since I read OM, and as Indi said, there is no index, it is literally MASSIVE, with thousands, and thousands of canon’s, but I remember reading in it (I forget the passage/verse, and there is no index), that it was the Old Lyrian women, who taught Earth women to use makeup on their eyes 389,000 years ago. So as you can see, I know some Plejaren women use makeup on their eyes when they have a sensitivity to light, etc, but it is obvious that 389,000 years ago, female Plejaren forefathers obviously went through a phase of wearing makeup, and taught this to Earth women at the height of this phase. Whether they outgrew this phase, or what I really do not know, as their space travelling culture evolved, but our female Earth-humans may outgrow this phase, after a few centuries of a future space-travelling-culture, as a natural part of evolution. But currently, for better or worse, this is a custom of the planet you live on.
My point is, OM may have some passages about “Hure”, and so forth, and makeup etc., I think the point is that, simply see that: if you can attest to the fact that your marriage is based on love, and bond-love, (which I am sure you can attest to this), and that you personally strive to fulfill the laws and recommendations of Creation, which you learn about in Billy’s books, which I know you do, then you should have nothing to worry about.
I don’t think anyone is judging you for wearing makeup, I certainly am not, this is a part of most feminine Earth-based culture, for better, or worse, heck, my 17 year old daughter wears makeup. I have talked to her about the importance of natural beauty until I was blue in the face, but she still wants to wear makeup, so I she can go for it, and wear makeup. She spends her own money on it, and thoroughly plans what she is going to purchase in advance, then makes the purchase, and I don’t know much about makeup, but she seems to do a good job applying it. Much of this is that she is a teenager, and probably wants to fit it with her peers, and as I stated, I have talked to her about natural beauty as well, and she can reflect on my statements when she gets a little older.
It’s obvious Billy does not like makeup, this may be true, and you know his stance, but yet you wear makeup for personal reasons, and still try to remain faithful to his teaching, and the laws and recommendations of Creation. Your posts are very thoughtful, and deep, and you seem like you are honesty trying to live by the teaching, so I don’t think you have anything to worry about. What was the problem again?
God-delusion-belief (Religion), trampling on the laws and recommendations of Creation, oversexed/overentertained, ridiculous use of fossil fuels, trampling on love, peace, harmony, and freedom, these are also customs of the planet you live on. You have to pick and choose what Earth-customs you wish to follow, and since you are on this blog, it is obvious you want to follow the laws and recommendations of Creation, and follow love, peace, harmony, and freedom, and I think wearing makeup is not a big deal, when compared to the other negative (-) customs our planet has currently!
They didn’t outgrow it. Look at the photo of Asket. According to this puritanical interpretation she would be a “makeup-wearing whore” – clearly not true of someone whose name resonates with the word “ascetic” (meaning: die Selbstüberwindende = the self-controlled, self-disciplined). And no, Billy does not “not like makeup”! My goodness, read my posts, he said he just has a personal aversion to “war-paint”, i.e. excessively gaudy or aggressive-looking makeup.
And by the way, God-delusion is not “oversexed” per se, but produces out of control lusts through the suppression and perversion of natural love into sadism by means of a dichotomous hypocrisy. Basically the obsession with “purity” forces everything into the subconscious, while also generating a maniacal hate toward everything “impure”, until the person becomes fetishistically preoccupied with sex as something “evil” and you get the situation we have now – people who on the surface are prudes and in the dark are swine.
It worries me to see people influenced by the same kind of thinking that turned the ancient Aryans into world-destroying hate-fanatics – namely an unrealistic aspiration to a perfection that does not correspond to their evolution, which always means a certain arrogance and hate toward their fellow human beings. It is NOT right to try to be something you don’t understand out of a “religious” desire for perfection.
This may be a concern but it’s one that is a macro concern and as such not immediately within your/our ability control. On the other hand, now that we’re discussing the spiritual teaching, etc., considering you have this concern, how are you cultivating your thoughts towards what you do want? If a more balanced, equalized, loving, peaceful and harmonious world of free people is the desired outcome, how do we embody that now, as living examples of those qualities?
In fact, looking at the perfectionism that may be inherent in your own critique of all these “people” may be interesting as well.
It is not a perfectionism but an observation and resultant opinions and concerns.
I am meditating every day (for at least 30 minutes, sometimes for an hour or two, occasionally for longer) and concentrating on the thought that the spirit is not influenced by the thinking, beliefs or opinions of other people.
Also, I have been studying the neuropsychology and neuropsychiatry of hate and aggression. As it turns out, hate and aggression result when there is an imbalance of the will (operant conditioning) that is delayed in its resolution because of an inability to break down the responsible neurochemicals. This means that hate corresponds to any excessive fear of excessive desire without neutrality. Therefore, the most effective way to control hate and aggression of all kinds is meditation as laid forth in the book “Einführung in die Meditation”. It starts with the “Reinbeobachtung” (pure observation) where you do just accept what you observe without thinking about it either in a negative or a positive form. You perform this kind of observation on walks in nature, or among people, in order to try to become acquainted with what is truly there, which in being a knowledge of others is love.
In addition to being in nature, being around other human beings is a good and necessary way to bring balance to our lives so that everything isn’t only focused inward. It’s a funny idea in a world that’s so outwardly focused but those of us who are wired for ore introspection, etc., can also fall into the trap of isolation from others, whereby we also may tend to see or focus more on all that is wrong with the so-called world.
Salome Matthew Deagle,
Do you have an outlook on how to balance striving to be a better, more responsibility-aware human with the realities of our flaws and imperfections?
This has been a challenge for me ever since the beginning of my life. Although it used to be when I heard rap music, I would get sort of .. averse to it, even though I grew up around that kind of beat. It feels alright when I let go a bit, and let myself get into the jams. But the whole thing, learning to become a better me while not becoming a total ass-hat, that’s hard for me still.
P.S. Sorry I still use some swear words. Ass-hat means .. to me .. like, a haughty guy. Well you guys probably understand.
It is a difficult question to answer, but the simplest answer is:
Read and practise “Die Psyche” by Billy Meier (available in English from FIGU Canada as “The Psyche”).
FYI, I also carry The Psyche, The Might of the Thoughts and The Goblet of the Truth at http://www.theyfly.com.
I sell them internationally and obviously within the US the prices are cheaper than ordering from out of the country.
I see. Good deal. I’ll order a copy myself for someone who does not yet read German. After she finishes “The Psyche” I’ll order “Might of Thoughts”, too.
Matthew Deagle,
It’s in the notes, Ptaah said unlike Earth women, Plejaren women mainly wear makeup on their eyes if they have a sensitivity to light.
There was a comma after each of the items in the list, to seperate them from each other. Each item I listed is a seperate point. I was referring to oversexed/overentertained, as in: through Hollywood, and the movies. I’m sure you cannot argue with that.
Being oversexed, is not solely an Earth problem, look at Akart, and their overpopulation problem.
The problem on Earth, is that too many couples base their relationship solely on sex, instead of love, and bond love, which means the relationship is doomed to fail, and this also perpetuates the overpopulation problem.
I see. It is probably worse on Earth due to our aggression-genes, although Akart might have them too thanks to the Sirians. Some of the aggression-genes have actually already been discovered, in particular the one dealing with monoamine oxidase A which is responsible for rapid breakdown of neurochemicals. In other words, the aggression genes cause us to have psychopathically out of balance desire or fear (this being the everyday terminology for operant conditions of the will) which persists and can thus become a hate, either a hate based on fear and avoidance, a hate based on holding onto things out of fear of loss, a hate based on desiring and wishing for things, or a hate based on desire to get rid of things that are burdensome.
Please let’s remember that Meier said that we can change our DNA (and a lot of other things) through the might of our thoughts.
Changing our DNA (and other things, esp DNA) through the might of our thoughts is a topic I am interested in finding more information on, thanks Michael.
Opps, Ev Vollmer
Thanks, I was just going to ask you to do that!
Hi Ev,
You will find more information in the Might of the Thoughts and the Psyche.
Matthew,
I don’t think I am going to argue with you, we did enough of that on the English FIGU forums, to last a lifetime, don’t you agree?
Anyway, my post was intended for Piyali…
Since I was on the English forum I spent the years 2011 – 2013 in isolation meditating and studying. As a result of this as well as my increased age, I am much more mature now than then, and not anymore sheerly a Devil’s Advocate, but actually sincere in my views and not just provoking debate.
As I said before you posted this comment, the necessity of bringing balance to our lives through the interaction with others cannot be overrated.
This discussion makes me think of all the animals that ‘wear’ natural make-up. Some animals that hide these aesthetically pleasing displays for the right moment to show them. Obviously these things are not ‘applied’ and or consciously controlled within being consciously conscious… but that is the way of humans it seems to me. I guess maybe as all things we have to find our own path and make the best of what we can individually, and if that means wearing make-up than all the more power to one. We are human, the epiphany of creations creations…. bending and creating within our own free will. Which as it seems within so many aspect of being human, we have a choice to control the things other animals and fauna only instinctually and impulsively create. Seems for humans this aspect as so many others is based on creating and applying rather than plainly hereditary and evolutive… as I think about it at this very moment?
It seems within the texts as far as my limited baby talk english can decipher that it is important to not hold grudges and within the 7 principles also blogged about we cannot stoop to the level of affliction others may try and put upon us, if they know it willingly or not. Number 5 rings true more and more as I personally think about it. All to often in life we must hear and read things far from what is hoped for by our fellow humans, and sometimes by our own hands and mouth. At least we are all trying in some degree and what more do we have than to find our own meaning to all things in life. No one is perfect… obviously:)
Hi (again…) Michael. This post is for the attention of all relevant other posters :
The reason I have not got involved in forums before ( Despite having known Billy personally, and studied many many thousands of pages, & 7 visits, for over 30 years…) IS because of the innane, immature stance of the many ‘ Instant ignorant experts’ and their pointless squabling; in this instance, what the F**K is SO important about bloody makeup, and ones own opinion of it… So I say to the said posters, there are a few other things in Billys teaching that could quite possibly be a bit more important to focus on…
Please dont waste Michaels time, and dont taint this blog, or use it as a battle field, why dont you instead grow up, and educate yourselves. I will not be responding to any one but M.H. Michael, please withold my full name and e.mail. Enjoy your day, and thanks for all.
Yes, Gary I agree on your points…. I also wonder how such a fuss over the matter of makeup with the great wealth of spiritual teachings to explore and discuss… I myself personally find that true beauty cannot be ruined even by war paint, tattoos and the shaving of the head…. The question we should be asking, are we looking at the material body only, or do we see the inner beauty radiating?
I just want to add from reading the contacts reports.. And from Eduard’s way of discussion with the ET, it is clear they are more evolved by means of spiritual knowledge and technology but also remember they do manipulate their genes and they aren’t very logical like the humans of the earth. With this being said we all learn at our own evolution pace so judge least you be judge. Anyway they are very beautiful from my experience.
I think it’s backwards, as the humans of Earth are illogical.
People are naturally capable of being logical, however they are stunted in their intellect and consciousness and are irrational. The Meier Encyclopedia has good spiritual meanings for words. Intellect
Intellect: (German = Verstand) The human capability of the correct recognition and assessment of all things as well the capability of definition-creation and definition application.
The human intellectual power, which is able to create definitions and put values into them.
The human intellectual power which has the capability of assessment and consideration and decision-making, whereby the knowledge of a fact is achieved, which becomes wisdom through the experience and lived-through knowledge.
From what I`ve read and heard in the past these humans from Erra say even as advanced and more evoled as spiritual and technologically as they are these human beings aren’t perfect either and are still learning too just we humans from Earth are.
Hello Everyone,
I was thinking about the investigations that some people have done that …………………………….
NOTE: This was an interesting post but unfortunately I couldn’t verify the sender’s email, actual identity, etc.
MH
Matthew stop your silly postings . Have you no other interests in life.
I’m not the one who said “In most cases women wear make up or tattoos because they do not value what creation has given them.”
That is using the same silly logic as people who object to genetic modification because it is “not valuing what God gave them”.
Also, in my opinion “petty” things like this actually are much more significant than they appear, because they reveal the psychology of those involved in the discussion by their professed opinions, and also provide links and insight to many other aspects of humanity.
Matthew
If you say so.It must be true.
Hi Joe,
Please use your first and last name. We may have more than one Joe posting here also.