So pile up the pasta, butter up the popcorn and decide what you’re going to do now that you know
Apparently anxious to follow in Germany’s footsteps, Italy is now awaiting the new contingent of refugees so as to accelerate the destabilization of the country and, like the French as well, make sure that the Henoch Prophecies are fulfilled to the letter:
175. And it will be that the fanatics of Islam will rise up against the countries of Europe and all will shake and quiver.
And for the benefit of those who still have trouble grasping that Billy Meier specifically foretold all of these problems concerning asylum seekers, etc., we’ll once again post links.
Let’s start with Meier’s 1951 Letter:
30. Through mass tourism from the industrialized countries, along with economic refugees from the entire world the industrialised countries will become inundated, as will a monstrous problem with asylum seekers become insoluble.
Meier elaborated further, in 1958:
53.) An unimagined impending asylum seeker problem will break over the industrialized countries before the turn of the millennium and evoke asylum seeker tourism through which a great many asocial elements emigrate who release a crime wave, whereby the worldly possessions of many people will no longer be safe, nor will life and limb.
In 1964, Meier also wrote:
Also asylum seeker, neo-nazi and extremist entities, ethnic migration, worldwide terrorism and new wars will spread out and create dissent, need and misery and other new, big problems.
These exist in all areas, therefore in medicine, in the vanishing drinking water, in the inexhaustible consumption of energy as well as in constantly increasing worldwide terrorism.
Then, in 1981,
Italy and France will be shaken, due to Sansculottes*, who murderously and by arson destroy every order: Paris will be destroyed from within and burnt down.
You can also search also for the word “terror” here and here to further affirm the lack of ambiguity about Meier’s predictive accuracy.
What Do We Do?
While it’s still a bit of a mystery why so-called “futurists” aren’t rushing to vet Meier’s prophetic and predictive information, it’s also surprising that more people haven’t yet asked, “What do we do?” rather than just stare at the information and concoct evasive, skeptical theories, or try to comfort themselves with dismissive, cynical denial.
Fortunately, there’s a compilation of some of the specific recommendations from Meier’s material for creating peace and harmony on Earth, lacking as it may be in escapist entertainment value, pointless prayers and dead-end, hyperbolic political irrelevancy, though some of our distant survivors may curse us for having been too self-satisfyingly stupid to have heeded it.
So pile up the pasta, butter up the popcorn and decide what you’re going to do now that you know.
*Revolutionaries.
See also:
Targeting the Victims
The French Watch Helplessly as Ancient Prophecies are Fulfilled…at Their Extreme Expense
Beyond great UFO photos: an inquiry into the Billy Meier case
Thanks to Chris Lock
This is not “ancient prophecy”.
This is just plans concocted by the Muslim Brotherhood post 1928, to reconquer the old territories of and reinstall the Califat and to spread Islam worldwide.. The members of this gang will know those plans. Meier knows them. And Meier shot the portrait of Atatürk, and he’s so proud of it to insist to mention it in public. Meier, as a muslim, is pro sharia (investigate), is pro state of islam (investigate before critizising me)
Now investigate for yourselves what Atatürk said about Islam (decomposing cadaver, poisoning etc) and what he did with 1:Califat 2: sultanat 3 sharia 4 women’s veil
Then ask yourselves why Meier shot his portrait in a frontier station.
Meier insists that he is not part of a political party, but as a matter of fact he is still muslim, and therefore member of the biggest political party worldwide.
I’m letting this idiot have his one post of unsubstantiated claims, which have been presented before, also of course without substantiation.
So, unless he produces actual, credible evidence that Meier “is a Muslim”, is “pro sharia” and “pro state of Islam”, etc., there won’t be any further comments from him here.
Investigate by yourself, Michael,
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NOTE: The person submitted only a quote in German from someone else, apparently.
If they wish to submit it in English, I’ll check to see if it meets the requirements of substantiation and, if so, I will post it.
P.S. This fellow does appear to be quite upset, perhaps suffering from dyspepsia.
You please to insult other people
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Oooops, this poor crank is at it again, trying to post his insults without complying with he simple request to provide credible substantiation for his claims. And, not surprisingly, he gets nowhere.
As Andy has also demonstrated, people are often VERY slow learners.
I wondered why Meier grew that beard. Now it all makes sense 🙂
I heard somewhere Billy got tired of shaving his beard off so he dicided to just leave it,call it just being lazy. Hahaha:)))
Hello Terry, If I recall correctly, when Billy would go with Semjase and others, they would be gone for such a time that when they returned to Earth at the same time that they had left, Billy would have grown out his beard. So to be less conspicuous, he grew out his beard rather than have to explain how it grew out overnight.
Beards are interesting things.
I recently saw a series of articles saying that men with beards were much less likely to have harmful bacteria on their faces. Here is a link to one of them, taken from the BBC:
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-35350886
For those who can’t be bothered reading, it simply says that some researchers assumed that beards contained a lot of bacteria, and so tested some hospital workers to compare bacteria on bearded men vs shaven men. The bearded men had much less bacteria, which led to a few theories on why it was so, and if antibiotics might be found in beards.
Antibiotics from beards. Thought I had heard it all. Nope.
Well…that sucks George! I couldn’t grow a beard to save my life, and I’m 38yrs old! I think it might be the Aztec blood running through my veins? I’ve heard Indians can’t grow facial hair? I might be mistaken… But the Irish in me should be able to grow something… Weird combo, I know. Mexican and Irish… My father is straight out of Mexico,my mom is predominantly Irish with other things mixed in. It’s funny, I look like a 14yr old after not shaving for 5 days. haha! All well… I wish I had a choice in growing facial hair, but I’m saving a lot on razors… Plus I love myself the way I am so I’m not complaining… Except for the extra bacteria that wouldn’t be there if I could grow a frickin beard! 🙂 but I remember reading in a contact note that the senses are heightened when you let your hair grow long… Facial and on the head… I don’t think it’s a coincidence seeing the long hair in the drawings of the men contacting BEAM. Both with beards and long hair on the head… I can definately grow hair on my head… I need a haircut every two weeks, at least, it grows so fast. I know , whoa is me! Lol
adrian martinez,
If you read the article and look at the speculation about why clean shaven men had more bacteria, it was proposed that the act of shaving creates tiny cuts and fissures on the skin in which bacteria may grow. So it isn’t neccessarily bad news for you.
I figure that worrying about hair is like worrying about any other physical attribute – you are what you are, worrying doesn’t help, and whatever you are is probably pretty good anyway.
The stuff in contact reports about hair and the interaction/absorbtion of “cosmic energies”, particularly in relation to hair dying, is fascinating to me.
I have personally noticed that having dirty hair coincides with me having more headaches. Women commonly complain of feeling quite sick or even fainting after having their hair dyed.
There is also an interesting theory about the hair itself being an extension of the nerve connecting to the follicle, meaning that hair is like an external nervous system, or external antenna array.
This idea is supported by various experiments conducted whereby natural fibers like sheeps wool (sheep hair) conduct some kind of force, as well as experiments run by very serious people who were interested in crystallized natural waxes like Carnuba for use in highly specific electrical applications.
It stands to reason that hair might be a conductor of “something” that we are, as yet, specifically unaware of.
Of course, any academic who proposed seriously looking into it would likely be ridiculed by other academics, who “know” without first looking. Human progress, stifled by professors with receding hairlines. And antibiotics in beards. This just gets better and better.
Happy Birthday to the Keeper of the Treasure Billy Eduard Meier. |
Take care and stay healthy for the sake of the mission.
Salome.
That is some beard though, i wonder if the PJ’s like it that long, lots of room for small animals to live in hehe.
Not funny Terry.
Jacobus, so much for being funny. Do you know that in Switzerland there is the Honorary contest to see who in Switzerland has the longest and best well groomed beard. I saw this on a local cabel TV channel a month or two ago,so wonder no more, no pun intended.:-)
Terry Carch,
Those contests are all over the world. The writers covering the competitions or judging the beards are often very amusing people, if you ever feel like having a smile.
Hi Terry I think it was the fact that you called Billy lazy which you should be sorry for. He is far from being lazy. I also took offense to your comment.
Sheila Clark,
I am not condoning any behaviour, but thought to share that in some cultures (including the Australian), saying flippant childish things like “lazy, eh?” is meant to communicate affection, rather than insult.
It is sort of strange that very good friends make horrible comments to, and about each other, as a way of demonstrating that they are such good friends that they can say things that are so awfully inappropriate that a fight would instantly result if said to an outsider. Perhaps this is one of those times.
Well George, that’s certainly one of the laziest comments you’ve made in awhile…
Lazy people are more evolved than so-called “hard workers”. We get the same amount done with less effort and more sleeping.
Jealous people…they’re everywhere! 🙂
Ma and Pa Kettle, yup. I think they had the world record kids in their family. Just saying ma Sheila, no offence intended. Peace.
Well you probably do George and no I’m not jealous. Me on the other hand has to work to pay the bills. I’m not like my Prime Minister who thinks the books balance themselves.
Hey Darcy how are you doing? I wrote a letter to my sister when I was 12 telling her I was going to have 3 kids, 2 boys and a girl…and I did. The power of the might of thoughts. Sadly I was not aware of the problem of overpopulation as you yourself have stated the population is the same here as when you were a kid. My kids are all adults now and our relationship has changed somewhat. I tell them all the time how I don’t want to be a grandma. Not in an egotistical I’m too young to be one way, but in a how are you going to look after a baby during a war type of way.
I just find it unfitting to joke about Billy “being lazy” for not shaving his beard, when he surely must be the most studious, hard working, tireless human being you will ever find on this planet, Terry.
In case you haven`t heard, the 12 nations behind the Trans-Pacific Trade deal was just signed Thursday February 4 but this is not a done deal for at least two years because congress still has to radify the TPP which means if this does go through in the nexy two years,you can expect more slave labor from third world countries while the riches 1% stach all their cash into these third world countries for manufacturing cheap defective products by slave labor in these third world counties so th riches 1% can avoid paying their taxes while the res of us 99% have to pay the highest taxes and suffer to please these big fat f&s crumbs! “This is called feudalism pure and simple and this sucks. I just sent an email to my other orgsnization stating that the sorce of all this who created and came up with this idea is non other than your president Obama who started this whole idea and is libal to hand over the TPP over to who ever is the next president and beyond. Just think what this TPP,TTIP and so on will do to the rest of this world in the not too distant future etc!
Terry Carch,
Do not be fooled by statements saying “it will come into effect in x years”.
What routinely happens is that a horrible law is agreed to, that is promised to come into full effect in a certain number of years. Might I stress – FULL effect in a certain number of years.
Then, governments and courts begin immediately implementing many or most aspects of the horrible law, saying that they are “making the transition”, which will be complete, and in full effect, in x years.
So, if you do some reading, you will find that transactions have occurred under TPP guidelines already. It is underway, right now, without doubt.
Politicians will use semantics – word play – to lie to you, to claim that a horrible law that is only 90% being acted on does not mean that it is in effect, and that the law will only become real when it is 100% in effect.
George M, “This horrible TPP law can only go into affect IF ALL of congress FULLY supports this STUPID TPP. So far most of congress does NOT support this ranseed TPP Deal!”
Terry Carch,
Serious question. Do you believe that politicians follow the rules when it comes to hundreds of billions of dollars?
“ABSOLUTELY NOT!” George M As far as I`m concerned these fellons should be put in “MAXIMUM SECURTY PRISON BAB WIRE AND ALL,Hiow about Gitno Huh?: At least most of them Huh:?)))
Terry Carch,
If you do not believe that politicians follow the rules, then why are you talking about the rules as if they matter?
Hi Michael,
You probably have spotted this already but I just came across an old article about, ‘which is the highest mountain’…https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chimborazo when Billy mentioned this way back when?? The translation was 1975?? Thanks
Thanks Mike. When I was doing research I didn’t come upon any prior publication of that information. But it does turn out that this was known at the time and that Meier wasn’t apparently the first person to publish it.
Was he the first to publish “Might of the Thoughts”? Or was it James Allen in 1903?
James Allen published “As a Man Thinketh”.
Mahesh claims on his crap website that Billy shamelessly stole the “Might of the Thoughts” spiritual teachings book from James Allen. What do you say about that MH?
As a Man Stealeth: Billy Meier and his stolen spiritual teachings
http://www.billymeieruforesearch.com/miscellaneous/as-a-man-stealeth-billy-meier-and-his-stolen-spiritual-teachings/
Hi Dennis,
You can search through the comments in The True Freedom Project for more info on that, including what Christian Freshener of FIGU wrote about it.
It would appear Moshe follows Mahesh:
http://www.billymeieruforesearch.com/miscellaneous/as-a-man-stealeth-billy-meier-and-his-stolen-spiritual-teachings/
And if you’d like to leave a comment(as I have):
http://ufoprophet.blogspot.ca/2016/02/as-man-stealeth-billy-meier-and-his.html#axzz3zQPFnalo
Moshe might be Mahesh….. but who knows… Neither are willing to be ‘real humans’ here.
If anything to me this just shows how much more truth is within Billy’s words. As some of these people cannot seem to get past the notion that this is our collective world and that it does not revolve around Billy Meier alone. Only to them in some way do they need unconditional belief to see it align with their current world view. We are all capable of writing Might of the Thoughts in some ways….. does that make it wrong? Many of the basic principles were moving around in my head before I found Billy Meier. That must make me a liar and a cheat also:) Though neither Moshe or Mahesh have gotten beyond more than shadow, half twisted, personal interpretations of things they will not even admit to in the ‘real world’, as it would seem.
@Philip Brandel: Who knows indeed. Tough to say for sure with such a common name as Moshe Levy. What I’m more sure of is his display of passive-aggressive behaviour: He is very specific with title, author and publication date indicating familiarity with the answer to his own question. He knows very well James Allen never published anything with that title let alone in that year. A crafty but cowardly way to voice protest without directly addressing it IMHO, of course. But keep an eye. It’s his trademark.
Have gotten into it with Mr. Levy a few short times here and is always amazing how people can succumb to such strange beliefs, theory’s, concoctions… fear of seeming reprisal by their fellow ‘humans’ for plainly being here, in the end, whilst truly being anything other than a shadow ‘online’.
In the end, if one cannot even be a shell of whom they are ‘out there’, what more is involved with moving past but the plain issues of our world.
Seems these types come and go and as they loose their momentum of an audience…. fade away, back into the shadows they crawled out of, into, by, next to, who knows:)
Yup. He’s a lurker, plain and simple.
If anyone’s interested, I’ve managed to draw out the “anonymous guest author”. He’s calling himself John Doe.
Hi Taro, I’d like to thank you your tireless efforts in debating the statements of Mahesh and friends… you have a way with words and I love the basic common sense that hides in the shadows of your comments… I am thoroughly enjoying it. I haven’t found the courage yet to put forth my thoughts as I am having self confidence problems because after reading a lot of peoples comments like George M, MH, yourself, Sheila, Matt, etc. from this blog and other sites , I find myself intimidated by the sound logic behind most of your comments. And the elegant way they are portrayed when posting your thoughts. I dont feel I can portray my thoughts as well as some of you can… And the intelligent people that this case has touched almost also proves the validity of this case. From the looks of it, it would appear that you all would have already found the hoax of this case by now if there was one… and yet here you all are… Still helping with the understanding of this case…Everyone here for the most part posts very thoughtful insightful comments and I just wanted to thank you all for helping me personally come to a different understanding of this case…like looking at it through the eyes of intelligent people… 🙂 now is when Billy would say “enough with the flowers” 🙂 Keep up the great work!
adrian martinez,
Might I suggest that the remedy to feeling intimidated is simply doing the thing that you feel intimidated by. I think that you express yourself quite well, and that you might be worried about something that isn’t there.
Although, um, there is this little “enter” key on your right hand side, that breaks big bits of text into little bits of text. It is one of my favorite keys. I don’t want to make any of the other keys jealous of course, but…it really is a fabulous key to press 🙂
Thank you, Adrian. Although there’s no need to butter my…bum, it is nice to know my debates are stimulating thought. I wouldn’t really call my efforts, “tireless” since I only do this when time permits(and sometimes, when it doesn’t). I do it for my own benefit as it is primarily a mental exercise. It’s also nice to win the debate you can’t lose. Here is my secret, which is actually no secret at all since I expect many “skeptics” lurk this site. I do not try to argue the Meier case is genuine. That is up for each individual to decide for themselves once they are adequately familiarized with it. It’s also pointless since(in my opinion) the evidence was deliberately presented in such a way as to maintain controversy for as long as possible. The proof of Meier’s validity is cumulative and resides in the extremely low probability that one man hoaxed everything. So, I stick to the argument that the case has never been proven a hoax despite the many theories “skeptics” cite as proof of hoax: There has, thus far been a logical debunk for every hoax theory. This actually started out as a way for me to put the Meier case to the test. After digging deep into all of the physical evidence I could find, I decided there are only two possibilities:
1) This is the most elaborate and genius hoax of all time.
2) It is real.
I decided to publicly challenge the hoax theories knowing that if they had any merit I may have missed, someone would eventually set me straight. This hasn’t happened yet. I started this several years ago. I have been challenged with new information from time to time but everything has fallen apart under close scrutiny. The “skeptics” never realize this but they often, unwittingly provide me with new arguments for whatever they believe is proof of hoax.
I have found that logical thinking becomes a habit. You will find yourself asking more and more questions and will spot the lies and twisting of truth much more quickly. My goal now is simply to stimulate a logical approach to evaluating the Meier case and to expose the rickety logic used to support the hoax theories. Once you start, you just can’t stop. The more people that second-guess their convictions of hoax, the more people will support the case. I’m ultimately hoping to draw out others like Matthew Wieczkiewicz, logical thinkers who for one reason or another originally dismissed the case.
Moshe Levy, Thanks to huge amount time that Billy has spent recording his thoughts for today and your future personality, it easy to see he has a very strong writing style which carries from book to book.But thank you for pointing out that wise words are ignored by many no matter where it may come from. For even now the deepth of even that book is not reaching into the fiber of your thoughts. If anything you are proving that all is recorded for all times if we just learn to listen.
Peace
Billy Wilson
Since Allen’s book “wasn’t compiled and printed until 2010” (thanks Bruce) that would mean Billy Meier was first.
Good point Sheila
Next please Andy & Co.
Sheila Clark,
That is very significant. It means that Allen was not the publisher. The person who compiled the book was the publisher.
Who is to say where the writings really came from? What if the person who compiled the book inserted things that did not emanate from Allen?
The compiler, as publisher, must therefore prove origin, which cannot be done because the witness is dead.
It is hear-say evidence, with no value. It may only be seen as an unverifiable third party 2010 publication.
These “skeptics” are really grasping at straws now. Of course we already know that there are writings by certain authors throughout history that agree with some part of the spirit-teaching, although upon closer examination most of them also have falsified or misunderstood it as well. What Billy claims to bring is not some new and “original” work with no similarity to anything else – not at all. He has brought the -restored- spirit-teaching, i.e. without the falsifications and in complete and exhaustive form. Indeed, parts of OM for example are the original proverbs on which Proverbs is based, while another part is the original Book of Enoch, and yet another canon closely resembles a spiritual essay from 19th century Germany. The reason for these similarities or repetitions of old teachings is that those teachings were true, were themselves based on older iterations of the same spirit-teaching. That’s it. Those who do not have the logic to see that Billy’s writings present these in their complete and correct form are dumb or mentally ill. In the latter case, something has happened to the connection between their conscious and subconscious, so they are relying entirely on material-intellectual thinking and with a limited psyche (= a kind of psychopathy). I don’t know whether to view people like Mahesh and Andy as hopeless and pitiable sick people or as malicious rascals, but either way the ideal solution would be removal from society.
Matthew Deagle, that was actually quite excellent what you wrote … until you went off the rails at the bottom – ” … but either way the ideal solution would be (Andy & Mahesh) removal from society.”
LOL ! 😀
In any case, I couldn’t agree more with all you’ve said. You’ve hit the proverbial nail on its head.
The last part is a bit Sharia law-ish for my tastes but exaggeration, in certain instances, has its merits.
I agree Bruce. The other, obvious, thing is that the Goblet of the Truth is also explicitly the teaching of the seven prophets or, more correctly, the way each of them expressed the truth for their time, etc.
I don’t think removal from society i.e. elimination/Eliminierung is all that “off the rails” when you think about it.
It seems to be the solution provided in the speeches of Jmmanuel and Mohammed, in contrast to the comparably evil “solution” of the Giza-intelligences of lying, concealing and inducing entire societies to destroy themselves.
As groups such as ISIS demonstrate, some kind of severity is needed in order to guarantee safety and evolution from these dangerous or devolutive elements.
One must however be careful to correctly understand these recommendations. e.g. when Jmmanuel recommends lifetime banishment for men who “come together to create offspring against nature” I don’t think this has anything to do with “homosexuality” as we understand it today, but rather refers to the literally devolutive and degenerative practice of arranged marriage under the control of fathers, which nullifies the female influence in sexual selection.
I think what Jmmanuel was referring to is what Billy also warned against, i.e. the genetic/surgical manipulations by which men can have a womb in their body so as to bear children. I think arranged marriages were something else.
Michael, when you think about it is the same thing, symbolically and in terms of its effect on evolution resp. devolution.
Two or more men are then coming together in order to determine the composition of the future generation of humans based on their masculine, generally e.g. politically-oriented thinking, without regard for the fine and complex selection for which women and females in general evolved.
There is therefore fundamentally no difference between the creation of supersoldiers at the selection of military honchos (selecting e.g. for aggression and physical stamina) and the use of children as pawns in political allegiances (as e.g. was done to deleterious results by the European royalty and is still done to a dangerously common degree by people in Muslim and Hindu countries, etc).
Since breeding based on male criteria is against evolution and may result in long term mutation of the race toward e.g. increased aggression or worse, it doesn’t matter what the means are.
Also, practically speaking I doubt that Jmmanuel was speaking specifically about such high-tech means as creating an artificial womb in the first century A.D.
Sheila, can you point me to wherever Bruce claims that Allen’s book was published for the first time in 2010? Is that your point of view as well?
Much love!
Hi Moshe, can you point me to the copyright page of Allen’s book? Is this your position as well? That you cannot find it?
Lol (lots of love)
Michael although its not that important in the grand scheme of things who this Moshe Levy is have you managed to determine the true identity of this person via matching his IP address.
Without a shadow of doubt I don’t think Moshe Levy is his true name.
Moshe Levy is a famous Israeli general now dead and passed on.
Why would someone use a moniker under this name unless they have some connection or relevance with Isreal.
This lurker must at least know about this general and are interested in Isreali concerns enough to bother therefore could this bloke be a Jewish Mossad or at least a friend of a Jew or a Jew himself.
It doesn’t matter who he is or what he is as long as they keep it real and honest.
We have rules here and by allowing too many benefit of doubt to rule breakers who are allowed to keep deceiving people here its not fun anymore for people to like me to try to keep things honest and play by the rules.
Somewhere along the line it may end up in a situation where I may post under the name Maghitam or MH would this be OK with you and fellow poster here and would you allow my posts to get through if it ends up being that way.
Maybe I am being too dramatic here and harped on ad nauseam but I would like to join the theyflyblog VIP crowd and break the blog rules anytime I feel like it.
Is the nature of this post unreasonable?
Moshe has been posting here under that name for some time. I have no reason to think that it isn’t his name, since I’m sure there’s more than one Moshe Levy in the world. The other possibility is that he…thinks his name is Moshe levy. While I think a lot of his comments are both pointless and toothless, the only ones I don’t post for certain are any with unsubstantiated attacks against Meier and the case.
Any number of people, myself included, have posted less than brilliant comments. So if people choose to answer or respond to him, it’s up to them. And maybe there are yet things we learn from each other in these exchanges.
Moche Levy,
Oh no you don’t. Lets apply the standards that Meier must endure.
If you don’t believe the claim made by Shiela, YOU go do the digging so as to disprove her.
Meier goes to the trouble of itemizing individual sentences, within copyrighted, publically published material. He pre validates evidence.
Others seem to think that they can make a claim without substance, which is countered by a claim of equal weight, and then reduce themselves to slyly throwing the burden of proof back onto the second – which in this case, is Sheila.
By asking Sheila to “point you” anywhere, you create the conditions where you may say that Sheila not pointing you somewhere makes her wrong. This is not a good way to find truth. The burden of proof remains on everyone but Sheila, my good sir 🙂
Matt,
Here’s a good example of an instructive reply, as Sheila herself has also done.
Michael I know I know.
There was a point somewhere and you weren’t the primary audience although having read it again my post was an ill thought out shocker.
I apologise to Moshe Levy as I can’t prove without a shadow of doubt whether it is his real name or not.
I forgive myself as the previous day I had a huge family gathering with every member of my family there being devout catholics and deeply religious from cradle.
Imagine all the fluidal forces I had to endure like being in a church.
Hey its a lame excuse I know but I am sticking to it.
Hehe
Forgiving yourself’s a good idea Matt. I suggest putting on a costume, making up something that sounds like Latin and sprinkling yourself with unholy water while doing it.
Mahesh is mentally ill.
Anyone who has actually read the teaching in German cannot compare it to anything else on Earth except for oral traditions in India.
It’s also amazing how someone writing a few truthful things that happen to agree with some part of Billy’s writings is taken by this crank to mean that Billy “stole” these truths. Truths! It’s like saying that out of two men measuring the same distance by parallax one must be a plagiarist.
Sometimes I wonder if Mahesh became against the case because someone is paying him to do so or he found that the donations to his site are much greater from people who are against the case. I also wonder how many donations he gets and does not list them on his site. Quite a nice little money earner for an Indian guy I think. This is just last 6 months –
Why Donate ?
“Part of my research or investigations into the Meier case & presenting the related information for you on this blog requires purchasing books, magazines, DVDs,..etc, which i cannot always afford. So i need your valuable donations which would be used for Meier case study & sharing information.”
1, B. Surya, Hyd, India – ₹ 5000
2. M. Sravya, Hyd, India – ₹ 1000
3. K. Vivek, Hyd, India – ₹ 750
4. G. Mrunalini, India – $ 1
5. M. Vamsi, TX, USA – $ 1.5/month
6. M. Pavani, TX, USA – $ 1
7. Ricardo Ralston, Brazil – $ 200
8. Timothy James, OH, USA – $ 10
9. Boguslaw Witelus, FL, USA – $ 50
10. Suv, India – ₹ 1000
11. Sameena, OGL, India – ₹ 1000
12. Andrei Palatkas, Romania – 0.5 LTC
13. Boguslaw Witelus, FL, USA – $ 140
14. Andrei Palatkas, Romania – 0.05 BTC
15. Manoj Jammula, NJ, USA – $100
16. Mark Leaver, AL, USA – $ 777.77
17. Sean Nyugen – $ 20
(Last donated on Aug. 04, 2015)
http://ufoprophet.blogspot.ca/2016/02/as-man-stealeth-billy-meier-and-his.html#axzz3zQPFnalo
Dennis Ryan’s list of donors provides very clear evidence of Mahesh’s bias & partiality in that he keeps all his Indian donors pretty much anonymous, but, writes out the full names of his non-Indian donors, who, probably, only donated to him a long time ago when Mahesh supported the case.
The fully-named donors may want to ask Mahesh why he’s covering for his Indian pals? Who are they and why the anonymity? Could it be that these are determined to show, without any real evidence, that a prophet could never be white man? Just guessing, but, maybe some of them are religious scientists/nuts/racists?
That kind of paritlaity, partial-thinking, not seeing the whole picture, does lead to things like racism. Religious freedom is one of my values and I would have to be one miserable SOB to step into the realm of another’s philosophy, viewpoint, religion, etc., and spend all my time citicising & finding fault whilst patronising those I meet with and befriend. Imagine how mcu more miserable it would be to have to have to make stuff up, or, champion already explained things, because he couldn’t present one piece of “evidence” to bring the house down, except, his own, stacked full of jokers.
Excellent list of donors Dennis, before Mahesh went to the dark side. I hope they demand their money back. Looks like Mahesh shouldn’t give up his day job.
Interesting take on what drives Mahesh, Matt Knight. It looks like he always takes the anti-Meier side. After all he did contact Stanton Friedman in between debates with MH on xzone radio. Haha nothing Stanton said from Mahesh’s coaching could stop the steam roller aka MH. Also telling about Stan Friedman is that he considers everyone whose ever been to jail as some horrible people. I wonder if he ever stopped to think about all the falsely accused and falsely imprisioned people who committed no crime? Or the fact that he himself has committed a crime against humanity.
Sheila – let’s start an incentive to donate books to Friedman’s grandkids so that they can cope with the reality of inheriting pointless nonsense from their grandfather.
If Mahesh had any credible investigatory skills, he would have recreate life in the 1970’s, like they do in those throw-back reality-TV shows. He would have to work night-shifts on minimum wage with no mobile phones, internet, or, colour TV. He would have to build fully-sized flying UFO models and new welding techniques and hire industrial cranes to lift them above trees without neighbours noticing.
He would have to rebuild a house from complete ruins, write letters to governments and hundreds of contact reports, poems and books and invent machines that can drill oval holes straight through trees and cold-fuse pure metal lattices and create original sounds that can only be replicated with dozens of synths in professional studios, as well as a way of permanently burning fine fingerprint details onto acrylic metal.
To be a fair test, he would have to all this with one arm tied behind his back whilst being shot at occassionally with only prophetic dreams to save him. If during that test, he ran out of money, got shot, or, had neighbours telling others about the giant model UFO on a crane, he would have to rethink his previous naive investigations & also wonder why Meier didn’t financially profit from all these amazing inventions/creations in a way that wouldn’t risk his life, or, be falsely accused by witless know-it-alls.
Well put and further illustrates the problems that internet babies, or any other shallow, inexperienced, non-thinkers would have to cope with, let alone understand.
I hammered away, trying to point out the circumstances, means, motive and opportunity would have to be verifiably proven and accounted for.
To Mahesh and his cohorts I was speaking in a very foreign language. Their guilt is in their blind, willful tenacity to disregard and completely ignore these crucial elements in order to force their foolish, childish accusations to be accepted as accurate and factual.
You definitely did Michael and thanks for doing that. These amateurs think their points so important that they don’t even consider having any responsibility to answer your valid points about the MMO, but, demand Meier answer for every little error or get frustrated at him like a YT video that won’t play.
Matt Knight,
What you said about people replicating the conditions that Meier existed in is exactly right. Might I make a suggestion:
I sometimes have to instruct people who are very resistant to an idea, because they have already made up their minds.
I have found that if I explain things too comprehensively, that they dismiss the entirety of what I have said, because their know-it-all-ism is so strong.
A great technique that seems to work is to set a small challenge that is easy to do, that requires no investment/resources to do, that undermines confidence.
In this case, instead of telling people to completely replicate Meiers existance (which no one will likely attempt anyway), it might help to ask them to replicate just one single aspect, and to insist that they describe what happened – ask them to tie one hand up with sticky tape or just put that hand in their pocket, and to take the battery in and out of their mobile telephone 3 times within 5 minutes.
It is my opinion that a know it all type person who is very confident that Meier could easily have made models etc in his predicament, would have significant doubt/dose of reality introduced into their thinking after attempting the one handed battery test.
If they refuse to do the test, don’t let them off the hook. Anyone who wants to make strong statements about what can or cannot be done one handed, that is unwilling to put their hand in their pocket to try and take a battery in and out, loses all right to speak – so don’t let them.
If I were MH, I would do it live in a debate against an opponent on stage, or invite people to do it after presentations so as to cement the idea.
Just an opinion 🙂
A good idea. I’m glad to say that I don’t really encounter any hard core skeptical types at presentations, events, etc., any more, at least none that really want to push a challenge enough to reveal themselves.
But I think it would be a very good exercise anyway even for those who are fence-sitters, etc.
Hi George,
Glad my post succeeded in getting someone to think creatively. 🙂
One time I played with the idea that Meier was being manipulated by an elite white supremacy. Of course silly me, but, my mind is free to think such things even if for a day when I quickly realised that Meier’s ideas undermined all tactics of such groups.
The point is, these so-called “skeptics” (actually deniers) will not be convinced by your argument, but, it would be a very good idea IMO for an open audience. With deniers, you can get caught up with chasing them away with facts and questions… it’s easy.
As I’m not really interested in chasing them away: I try to imagine life from someone born since the 1990’s, who really doesn’t understand what life was like in the 70’s , so, the TV-thing was to promote thinking & to engage & is equally valid.
I doubt Billy would want his so-called disability being used to win an argument with deniers and the case is strong enough that we don’t need to.
Matt Knight,
I don’t think that any logical thinker would be upset people respectfully and dispassoinately assessing the impact of having one arm on their ability to do things differently. I could be wrong though, since I have not had to endure that kind of thing, beyond hurting my own arm and having to wear a brace/losing its use for several months.
What if though…the whole point of losing the arm was to do exactly this? (I am also an enormous “what if?”-er 🙂 )
MH I hadn’t thought of that. Perhaps it would simply be a cute/interesting way to interact with people after talks. Show them a model of a beamship, and then ask them to tie a string to it…with one hand. Then make friends as they madly try to do it 🙂
Good one Michael now all I need to find myself is a church.
Sorry,
This is a better link which the wiki page was based on http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=9428163
Regards,
George M, Have you ever thought and notice how politicians lie and get away with murder by NOT paying their taxes IF at all? These politicans will say one thing and then do the exact opposite while we the poor ordinary sujects have to pay heave taxes and NOT even tell a white lie? This is called fudialism pure and sinple! I guess we are STILL living in the Middle Ages or even WORSE THE STONE AGE!” :-((( These thugs can do what ever they want money laudering and all while the rest of us have to fight our way through like slaves,vassals,cerfs etc,etc,etc!:-(((
Terry Carch,
Who said that they can do whatever they want? Who said that “the rest of us have to” do anything at all?
Go idea and point George M. Why bother with thsese criminal thugs:-)))
Terry Carch,
Everybody must absolutely bother with those people, because they are bothering everybody else.
Ignoring them is not an option. If you do, they will continue to act as if you agree with them. Therefore, appropriate action must be taken to remove and/or replace them, imo.
“Right On George M!” High Five or Fist Bump:)))
Michael, You need to trademark your name a few people really are flirting with slander in this virtual world, once this TPP stuff gets signed the borders will make it easier to reach out and say “Remember Me”.
Peace
Billy Wilson
Recently there was an article on the truthout.org wesite about the military testing and using kindergarten children by way of questionares in which these kindergarten children had to deside whether to join the navy,airforce or military. Fortunately the military is an all voluntary due to the thankil act that we finally eliminated the draft back in the 111970s at the end of the Viet Nam war. But with all the violence in movies and sports etc gving kids more constructive alternatives such as Ty Chi,Yoga,agood solid education would give a child more constructive things to do to sem all the violence in the world other than joining the military. One of the reasons we had a space program backl in the 70s and 80s was to give the military other less violent pursuits “other than fighting a war or wars etc”. Playing violent video games also creates and begets even more violence too. Once you start a war it escalates and gets bigger and worse and mushrooms into something even bigger and more ominus and uglier! This must be one of the reasons why the people of earth have such a short lifespan. “Violence begets more violence!”
I disagree. I think military training should be obligatory for all males starting in high school. The military however should be exclusively an international peacekeeping force used to quash groups like ISIS, Assad, etc. Making military training obligatory would increase the number of recruits to sufficient levels to deploy ground-forces to all of the areas that need them without spreading the forces thin.
I should probably add that all kinds of non-lethal weapons should be developed and used in preference to lethal weapons, and weapons of mass destruction (including all kinds of bombs, missiles, etc) should either be very sparingly used or be entirely outlawed.
There is an ironic and foolish hesitance to develop AI weapons, although actually automated but non-lethal weapons were a major component of Nokodemion’s peacekeeping force.
Matthew Deagle,
I think that there may be a flaw in the thrust of your comments.
Non lethal weapons have already been developed. Many people have already learned how to fight. The problem isn’t in the capacity to do violence, or the tools available, but rather in who chooses what kind of violence, and why.
If politicial leaders wanted to use violence to suppress terrorists or tyrants without killing anyone, they could already do that with ease. They choose not to.
They instead choose to use lethal force for non peaceful purposes – to destroy countries for purposes of exploitation and slavery.
In my opinion, focussing on who should do the fighting or how they should do the fighting is a major error. The focus should be on who decides the why of fighting.
The reason AI weapons have been developed has nothing to do with any capacity to destroy things. We are already very good at that. It has to do with being able to destroy things/people without having to explain to soldiers or the public the why of it.
Machines do not have morals, and do not question things when the machine next to them is destroyed. Of course, they do not have loyalty or a sense of discernment either, which is why they will inevitably get out of control and start killing things that their creators did not want killed.
“Machines do not have morals” – neither do most humans, especially soldiers.
You ever heard of the Lucifer effect?
Even UN “peacekeepers” are under such lax control that they have repeatedly been accused of sex-bribing women and even raping children.
What machines have is programming. You have to ensure that the programming cannot be interfered with, and that there is an off-switch.
Also, AI-weapons ideally would be used mostly for non-lethal missions. We have already seen the wanton use of drones.
“The reason AI weapons have been developed … has to do with being able to destroy things/people without having to explain to soldiers or the public the why of it.”
No. The purpose is to expand forces beyond their present limited capacity by augmenting manpower with machinepower.
It is already easy to get soldiers to do atrocious things. They take everyday psychopaths and “optimize” them until they are total serial-killers, i.e. murder-machines. Arguably human murder-machines are even more dangerous than robotical ones, precisely because of their ability to think, to scheme, to defect, etc, and their many other reinforcers (such as sex, drugs, power, sadism, etc) than simply accomplishing their mission and getting their batteries charged.
“If politicial leaders wanted to use violence to suppress terrorists or tyrants without killing anyone, they could already do that with ease.”
I doubt it. There are none of the necessary alliances to allow swift interference, mostly due to a failure of USA-Russia diplomacy.
“They instead choose to use lethal force for non peaceful purposes …”
Part of it is that they use unnecessarily lethal force because it is expensive and so keeps the military-industrial racket going, i.e. business-interests.
Acquisitions might even be secondary to the weapons-industry, which needs guidance so it designs weapons that are not simply “bigger bombs” and “quicker kills”, but effective peacekeeping devices.
“The focus should be on who decides the why of fighting.”
How do you propose we change that?
Matther Deagle,
If a politician was given the choice between a fully robotic army that would accomplish any mission desired at the push of a button, versus an augmented half human, half robotic army where humans still had a say (which hence makes them an unknown factor), I am fairly certain that the first one would be chosen. It is only logical to do so.
Therefore, augmented armies are used because a fully autonomous one is not yet viable. Yet.
Regarding your statements about the optimization of psychopaths – I agree. Yet since psychopaths only comprise 4% of the population, there are not enough of them, they are expensive to train (on average a soldier costs one million dollars US to train), plus there is the added difficulty of what to do with them afterwards or if they are hurt – which is a topic for another discussion. So, see former point.
Regarding the absence of neccessary alliances and failure of USA-Russian diplomacy. This reinforces my point – the “failure” of diplomacy is a choice. Political leaders made the decision to attempt domination of each other, rather than cooperate so as to eliminate threats and govern the planet in coherent, harmonic cooperation. They chose this path.
Regarding lethal force being the more expensive option – that is a long discussion, but in short, any desire to become very rich is about dominating others using economic means. If another method were available with which to dominate others that were better, such as holding the world hostage with the ultimate AI army, then that method would likely be used instead.
Why go through the bother of building weapons so as to sell them, so as to then become rich, so as to then subjugate others, when you could just build a subjugation machine in the form of a perfect army. It hasn’t been done because it cannot yet be done.
When you boil issues away to their core, what this is all about is that there are a small number of people sprinkled around the world who want to be the bosses and owners of the entire planet. They are presently fighting each other by way of choice, vying for domination, with the means presently available, which is mainly human armies.
When superior means are found, human armies will be discarded as have been all redundant weapons throughout history, because using the best weapons available is not a choice. It is driven by neccessity. If you don’t use it while your enemy does, you lose.
Mathew, I joined wespac one month after the 9/11 attack beause I personally against wars and am agints the military industrial complex. As a pacifist,your idea of making all males required to enlist in the military not logical and groundless. “Who in living hell wants to die and get killed in the first place. Are you aware of such wars as the Koren war in the early 1950s and the Viet Nam war during the late 1060s and early 70s. Please read the histories of past wars and the fact that thousands of innocent young men who were forced to go to these wars by way of the draft left these spirits dead,dying and living with all kinds of mental illness and agent orange which is a toxic defoilent that is now used in certain produces such as Monstoes Roundup weed killers etc. Your idea of another draft for all men including women is not being very moral and ethical “Please review your history and heed what the people from Erra did fleeing all these horrible wars etc and why the people of Erra left Earth in the first place!”
Terry,
Even the Plejaren have weapons and means of defending themselves and can muster a peace-combat force if needed.
The Swiss I think still require all males to do military service, keep weapons in their homes, etc.
And in The Silent Revolution of Truth, Meier himself stated that self-defense, and the defense of others, is not only a right but a responsibility…while he showed the various weapons in his gun cabinet.
Preparedness doesn’t necessarily mean aggression. Every species and organism in nature has a means of defending itself, by fight or flight, etc.
What about free will MH? After all we`re only human. You can`t force a human being to join the military if he/she doesn`t want to,call it concinsus objector statis out of fear of getting killed and dying etc? That is what happened during the Viet Nam war. There were and still are a lot of people who refuse to fight in a war for fear of getting killed in case you forgot your history froim the late 1960s ans beyond,the anti-war movement of which I was a part of back then. It`s OK to have self defence but who would want to fight an illegal war MH?
That’s true Terry and not all military roles are necessarily in combat.
Unfortunately, soldiers and potential soldiers are just as unknowing as the majority of people. A man wearing a suit and on TV must surely be telling the truth.
With regard to neo-nazism in the prophecies, I read with interest the following article;
https://consortiumnews.com/2016/02/07/a-look-at-ukraines-dark-side/
The comments are worth reading too if you have the time. I wasn’t aware of the actual 2016 Consolidated Appropriations Act in which the US allots funding to train, arm, and support these nazis. Poor old John McCain. When the chips are down he goes and has his picture taken with some nazi leaders just like he did with ISIS jihadis…I mean freedom fighters.
If peple don`t want to sign up and join the military,they should not be forced to join against their free will. I think there are far more peaceful diplomatic solutions to all the crisis that can arise on this planet called Earth. You must think of the health and well being of the people of this world first and formost lest we all fall prey to sickness,disease and death. “As far as I`m concerned there are far too many fellons,criminals, crimes wars and destructions and violence on this world! This is the cause of all the degeneracy that is destroying this world and not following what Billy and the Plejarens have set out to do to change our behavore and way of thinking. Instead of this world waking up to the law of Creation, its commanments and directive, we are doing the exact opposite bey destroying everthing we have heare on Earth and doing ourselves in in a manner that will create more wars, destruction and cause the death of humankind on Earth!” If we keep this kind of beavore up,you can count o more death and destruction. We neredto educate people to grow up and learn to become more spiritual and knowledgeable kinder and gentiler if we want to evolve into a more enlightened world like the people from the Plejaren Federation of worlkds have have learned loing ago that crimes,wars, violence, disease etc is NOT the way to a healthy long life say 1000 years long or even 100,000 years long. Think about this. How else are we going to learn to become more spiritual and knowledgeable and live a long happy healthy life if we keep killing ourselves over wars,money crime deases etc if we want to live as long as the Plejarens do? “It`s high time we the people of Earth learn to grow up and become a more peaceful spiritual society like the Plejarens have done for millions billions and trillions of years if we want to survive at all!
I think they’ve logged some 50,000+ years in the peacefulness department.
The level of disdain I receive by people when I state “The truth is only stranger than fiction when the fiction was accepted as truth first”, is astounding. Is it really me that is wrong when I make this claim, or is it the unwillingness of most people to think for themselves?
I’ve noticed that most people seem to be doing a lot of Reality Hiding. They don’t want to hear ‘the rest of the story’ about ANYthing. Not the news, not about the bs that is FaceBouk, etc; some don’t even listen to common sense. Some of us think most the rest the people are getting stupid or stupider…depending on the age group. It’s amazing how much propaganda people are buying from the media and apparently can’t see it. I tell people I watch as much foreign news as I do because American news(not PBS) is just propaganda and bs twitter/utube news. People obviously don’t think for themselves if they think it’s okay for treasonous or sickening pig-like people to be running for President. I could go on with more examples, but I think your statement is too cerebral for most people. Cooool.
Timothy, I think it is that most of the people on this world don`t want to hear and or even face the “REAL” truth of what Billy and the P`s are telling us and warning us about. It`s not your fault that people won`t listen to you. I think people are afraid of the truth particularly with the Henol/Henoch Prophecies that Billy and the P`s have predicted if se don`t face the real harsh reality of what will happen if we keep on reyling on religion,politics,wars and so on. What I fear is 300 years more of this horror thanks to those horrorible Baffa Giza scums and their medling influnces on this world for another 300 years unless we REALY want to fowwol the laws of Creatikon,ait`s Commandments iand directives for peace,love freedom harmony reason and logic, NOT these stupid religious political warlike attitudes and behavores etc,etc,etc! “We ALL need to learn to become more spiritual and culterual too in order to cut down all the violence on this savage primitive barbaric childish world and grow up!”