Clueless skeptics defeated by 50-year-old UFO evidence
My friend Joe tracked me down in during my recent travels. That’s Joe, the former top US Air Force OSI Case Supervisor, from 1965 – 1971. During this time, Joe personally supervised hundreds of investigations, vetting extremely high level people seeking even higher office, who could attain positions dealing with critical situations regarding issues of national security, etc. Joe led investigations into every aspect of their lives, going back to their childhoods, in many cases.
It’s 1964 All Over Again
Joe used the same, rigorous standards of military investigation, examination and analysis of the 1964 evidence, and about the primary eyewitness, retired UN diplomat, Phobol Cheng, to determine the ironclad nature and singular authenticity of the Billy Meier UFO case,
Joe’d just had a rather heated conversation with our friend Mahesh, the “I-don’t-know-what-I’m-talking-about” skeptic from India, who’s attacked the Meier case for the past few years. He’d had previous conversations with him but today it didn’t go terribly well… at least for Mahesh.
The amateurish, inept skeptic was unable to refute the historical record of Billy Meier’s 1964 UFO photographic evidence, as established by one of the most well-respected reporters of a highly reputable Indian newspaper.
Mumbo-Jumbo
When Joe asked Mahesh to credibly explain just how Meier, a 27-year-old hitchhiking traveler in India at the time, had 80 UFO photographs in his possession, Mahesh told him “mumbo-jumbo” about Meier having some kind of a “special camera”. I can tell you, from first-hand experience, that the only thing special about 1940s Kodak bellow type cameras was that they worked well enough to take very basic, black and white photos.
Means, Motive and Opportunity
As Joe tried to explain, the importance of determining means, motive and opportunity is a fundamental element of consideration for doing a credible investigation of anyone under suspicion of a crime, hoax, dishonest behavior, etc.
This of course has gone far above the heads of Mahesh and every other skeptic, amateur or professional, who’s come forward to try to put a notch in their proverbial gun. A complete lack of comprehension of the facts, and a strict avoidance of dealing with them, only compounds their utterly futile attempts to take down the unimpeachable Billy Meier case.
Stone Silence
It’s also no coincidence that skeptics who’ve attacked the Meier case have all gone absolutely stone silent in the face of Joe’s refocusing on the 1964 evidence, clinging only to their already discredited, irrelevant and unsubstantiated theories.
Even Joe agrees that no “authority” is necessary in order for any reasonable person to come to the same irrefutable conclusions that he did, simply based on a logical and objective analysis of the 1964 evidence.
See also:
Billy Meier UFO Case: Beyond a Reasonable Doubt
Rahl Zahi’s Analysis Report on the WCUFO
Rahl Zahi’s Analysis Report on the Pendulum UFO
Rhal Zahi and Chris Lock’s Analysis on The Energy Ships
Scientific Experts’ Comments on Meier’s UFO Evidence
Documentation from IBM on Marcel Vogel’s Patents
Analysis of Meier’s ET UFO Photographs
Report on UFO Sound Recordings
Woa MH Mahash agan? I hear Steven Greer is all over Youtube spouting his usual claims of all kinds of aliens and UFO junk again. So much for an article I just read about a guy who was hooked on drugs back in the 1980s in British Columbia Canada and bult his own flying saucer out of crap metal disappeared and committed subside and rote a note saying he was traveling into the universe with aliens? So much for this guy with only an 8th grade education,aUFO wannabe from out of nowhere! Gee if only people would listen to the ONLY REAL UNADULTERATED TRUTH from you and Beam we might just get somewhere and at lest TRY to wake up and not let all these horrendous tragedies keep filling up our brains!!! So much for Mahash and his amichurish behavour.
Why won’t Mr. Mahesh grow up once and for all. Such an ignorant arrogant attitude, the prophecies are now predictions and are upon us now. Those skeptics lacked rationality in their thinking, they need to examine their mental realm. My surmised is that if they acknowledged Billy’s materials as authentic, game over for them. No more audience, no profit, a real challenge on their professionalism which they don’t want to face. I see that Billy is a threat to them. Everything they stand for is actually false reality. They built their house on a sand, not on a rock. Billy’s materials are proving them otherwise.
In the meantime, Maria’s destruction continues while simultaneously hurricane Lee is forming in the Atlantic. How about that? I don’t think people learned yet.
Hi Dolly,I haven`t heard about hurricane Lee lately I think hurricane Lee is still out to sea. So far so god?
The way you worded this blog was very visual, Michael. I saw the Joe vs Mahesh scenario playing in my head like a movie.
well, jedaiah, I think Joe provided some colorful incentive, most of which I wouldn’t quote verbatim.
MH, I imagine Mahesh tries to get in contact with anyone new you point out who is now supportive of the Meier case and then tries to change their mind with his bogus claims from his website.
Sure, Ian, it’s no secret that he monitors this work, looking to work them over a bit.
The problem is that when a rank amateur – with an ax to grind for unknown reasons – tries to take on a real expert, someone who really knows investigation and formerly had no involvement with any UFO cases, the results are predictable.
I dare say that those of us who proceeded in a logical, competent way to research the case reached the same conclusion that Joe did…and, had Mahesh truly been similarly objective and logical, he would have long ago taken the better road.
Hi Terry, I couldn’t find the news anymore. I think Lee is still out at the sea. In the meantime more sad news happening in the environment. More volcanoes are coming back to life as the earthquakes all around the planet becomes deeper and intense. I’ve been watching Dutchsinse in u tube and it’s amazing how much I learned about earthquake from this guy.
Michael yet another excellent article, you are definitely on a massive roll , thank you.
People like Mahesh who have an agenda to discredit Billy Meir are very welcome in my eyes as they only reinforce the truth and increase my knowledge towards the truth, there like little spades trying to bury the truth and not interested in the fact that there are not enough spades to bury the truth. Can you imagine the anger/frustration etc building up inside these people?
You today are using information from 60 years or so and yet where in the vast amount of FREE information of articles on your website (mentioned this because I’m a little tired of people accusing you of being on the money-making band wagon). Out of all the FREE articles why hasn’t the likes of Maresh spotted the contradictions in articles written 50/60 years ago with recent documents written by Billy, the reasons simple there are not any, certainly they can spot a translation error or typo error but not once have I come across one contradiction and if it appears there is a contradiction then it is certainly explained and not like Mahesh with Billy’s “Special Camera”.
As always, my best wishes to you all.
Regards
Dave
I happen to agree that there’s not enough evidence for me. Sorry let me be clear, there’s enough, but only due to my educational level, just about enough to get enough of it, to claim to get it, if that makes sense, but what I mean is there is not enough evidence for me in terms of the quantity I would expect if they wanted any significant quantity of individuals to recognise it for whatever they’d recognise of it. To me they’ve not been interested in that, instead what they do is target individuals and send impulses catered more personally to the individual, but only after ten years, they basically rely on very broad broadcasts and particularly sensitive individuals picking up the idea to look at something.
Read the 1964 evidence. If you can credibly refute it then you’d have a reason to say it’s not enough. The truth of something doesn’t depend on “more” evidence, only ironclad evidence, which is what that is.
Daniel,
From that post, I can tell you are missing the core, fundamental importance of the material and have a long way to go. As a matter of fact, those who rely mainly on the CRs / Evidence versus the true wealth (which are the spirit teachings) are completely missing out on the main point of Meier’s material.
May I suggest you start with Goblet of Truth or The Way to Live?
http://www.theyfly.com/shop/products/index.html
Keep in mind this is only a suggestion. CRs are appetizers at best compared to the spirit teachings.
My view is that it is evidential that the Plejaren’s primary goal was not to convince all humans of their existence, as why would that matter to them really? If our survival was a given (which it isn’t), we would have discovered life throughout the universe at some point in the future for that to matter in this and the last century and the Plejaren certainly could have proven their existence to the most ardent skeptic in 5 minutes and according to their dictates.
My view is that the question they asked was ‘how can we convince INTELLIGENT earth human beings, not, know-it-alls and materialists, that we exist, when they are flanked on all sides by lies, murder and intrigue and a general disdain for the the truth and, most importantly, protect the lives of those we are in contact with so that the spiiritual teaching has a chance to be written down and made available worldwide for the prosperity of the remaining humans after all the environmental destruction, as the Earth human will be in desperate need of the truth and without which would very likely give up and wipe themselves out to extinction through ignorance and without any understanding of Creation and its laws.
Looking at the case in that framework, one must agree the Plejaren have successfully achieved their goal. Speak to any survival expert, or, those who study great explorers in history or historical survival cases and they will tell you that the key to survival is not in having things, which are always available on the Earth to those with knowledge of survival, but, that survival depends on a positive mental attitude and a will to survive and keep going. Survival is, at it’s core, a mental ability. Without the spiritual teaching, I doubt the remaining humans, after all the global disasters, would have any reason for carrying on and would have likely finished themselves off after realising their saviour-flavours, Gods, governments, culture-icons and materialism didn’t save the day and when they can’t Google true grit.
True Matt, I am going a stage further if you hadn’t noticed already and saying that your all in very serious trouble then, because the next time you turn around the entire world will have changed without you.
Doesn’t matter how great you are if you have no audience. For example, the cataclysm must have left a fairly heavy impression on the gentlemen Otto Muck who Semjase says was formerly Plato in a previous incarnation and wrote a notable book about Atlantis, again. He probably had no idea that he’d done the exact same thing in a previous incarnation. And those like Michael will probably probably find something tantamount controversial in their future life to present to the public because we’ll have our own UFO’s in Michaels subsequent incarnations, that’s a pure guess because I cannot see what he’s doing behind the scenes. Those that surround Billy today surrounded him in Jmmanuels time too, and it was about ufos back then too, not that any of thats transferred over into the worldwide religion, to give you some idea how different all you folk are compared and as a minority to the rest of the world, so be careful we don’t suffer another significant change causing stone age communities again because you’ll all struggle in communities like that, they’ll all call you the freaks.
@ Matt
That was well said
@ Daniel
What exactly is your endgame here with your comments? You seem conflicted and confused with what you’re dealing with here.
Once again, there is NO PROFIT IN TRUTH. People I come in contact with on a daily basis may be stubborn, arrogant, racist, politically driven, sports fanatics, and besides the various backgrounds, even the religious such as the pastors and priests who come to my shop all agree on one single thing, placing a value on anything material will always be followed by corruption. So what we can easily deduce is that corruption will always follow money, and the rich in terms of monetary holdings, will NEVER tell the truth as there is no profit in doing so. Skeptics seem to desire something more than monetary gains, they all seem to have one thing in common, their insatiable appetite for ego driven recognition, and it does not seem to bother them when their arguments have ZERO validity, as long as their voice is louder than yours.
The Meier material is so profoundly life changing on so many levels and it’s always hard to understand those who don’t or won’t honestly investigate. The truth lives inside all of us and it’s just waiting to be found. I think that deep down inside these people know the truth, but with their impaired reality, they can’t free themselves from their delusion. The people of Earth have been brainwashed for so long and to the point that some see it as far too fantastic while others just blatantly lie to keep their sham conspiracies going. The almighty dollar is such a powerful persuasion that some would risk the entire future survival of the planet for a chance to live high on the hog in their current lifetime.
what is it about people who claim to be intelligent to disregard this cases as irrefutable? I think you put it pretty bluntly, MH, that you do not need to be an expert/professional to come to the same conclusion as we and joe have.
Being able to read and comprehend, simply will lead to the conclusion that Meier’s case is truly authentic. Is it because it goes against mainstream belief systems that earth humans are barraged with early on?
I exist George, but there’s no need to go as fanatically far as calling it irrefutable. Individuals who havn’t fanatically limited themselves have been able to discover things such as the many worlds theory.
I would dearly appreciate knowing what the ‘Plejaren assessment’ might be of the comments exchanged HERE … a simple question … which hopefully, and harmlessly, deserves a respectfully contoured response. I recognize the ‘species’, to which we are all components of, as comprised of such a multi-layered, polarized dynamic. I ask for the [assessment,] yet, [it] likely wouldn’t become published for reasons I reserve at this time in posting.
I think they have more important things to do, including gardening, robot maintenance, touring the galaxy, etc.
That doesn’t include traveling through 7 already existing hyperspeeds for Time Travel/ Temponautics also. (Pg. 137 chapter ” The Hyperspace” of Existence Leben im universum)
hehe I can just see Quetzal tinkering with his gardening robot trying to get it to pull the weeds out instead of the flowers. Maybe in another say 900 years we might be able to ask him to bring several thousand to earth to clean up the radiation and rubble from the bombed out cities.
Salome.
Hey Gordon how about also cleaning out all the hurricane mess from Harvey, Irma, Maria,etc too hahaha?:-))
How about we clean those ourselves and stop depending on others to fix our mess.
I believe Meier is absolutely right regard to the truth and that is if we humans of Earth learn to grow up, face the facts and the truth and learn to take full responsibility for our own actions we will survive no matter what happens to us here on earth. “Religions,politics, militarism’s,corporations have no place here on Earth and anywhere else in this huge vast cosmic realm!”
MH I love the plejarens but I just wish we all join with them even if the rest of this world doesn`t deserve to. I think all of us who join Billy and the Ps deserve better even if the rest of Earth doesn`t. Seems to me most of this world just doesn`t want ti grow up and climb out of their crib and cry for a make believe god,devel,angels, statues in churches,well you get the picture. We need to through away all our make believe fairyland and join the cosmic club or else perrish as the Akart did around Proxiama Centari along time ago. Sure it`s fun to fantisize and use your imagination reading,watching movies,TV but in the real world there is a whole lot more out there in this vast realm called the universe and other universes that we really need to learn more about and discover and grow if we are going to live a very long life and prosperous life without all this stupid religion,politics, and so on. We need to take these first baby steps out beyond this solar system and grow up to face Creation as it is really meant to be or die trying to believe in a god that is just fantasy that isn`t real where as sun,flowers, flora and fauna are all a part of Creation as is life itself is also part of Creation.
If someone told you, in all seriousness, that they talk to invisible beings who control the universe, you’d probably back away slowly, nodding and smiling, while desperately looking for the nearest exit or escape route.
Billy Meier is not saying that, its similar but not the same, lets be clear, he’s saying the individuals (beings, human beings to be exact) he’s in contact with only have the opportunity of being invisible, are not invisible and only by the use of technology can they be invisible. He’s saying that they then have to liaise with the high council if they want further ‘control’ (perspective) over the universe.
There’s also a couple other people who saw Ptaah and Semjase by accident so it’s kind of hard to think it’s someones imagination when others have seen them too.
And apparently others may have seen Quetzal, as well as another several meters tall ET.
Isn’t there a picture of the high council ships somewhere?
I think you’re referring to these:
http://www.theyfly.com/sites/default/files/ESinvestig3NovV2.pdf
Ahhuh, so same as before but this time -when a priest says have you felt god, Billy Meier is not meaning it this way when he talks of shaking their hand, he is saying he has spoken to these individuals after a greeting and they’re evolved spiritually which in their language they call jschwjsch which almost means god. So Billy Meier is not saying he has felt god, Billy calls that fine material instead and calls ghosts, gheists.