Clueless skeptics defeated by 50-year-old UFO evidence
My friend Joe tracked me down in during my recent travels. That’s Joe, the former top US Air Force OSI Case Supervisor, from 1965 – 1971. During this time, Joe personally supervised hundreds of investigations, vetting extremely high level people seeking even higher office, who could attain positions dealing with critical situations regarding issues of national security, etc. Joe led investigations into every aspect of their lives, going back to their childhoods, in many cases.
It’s 1964 All Over Again
Joe used the same, rigorous standards of military investigation, examination and analysis of the 1964 evidence, and about the primary eyewitness, retired UN diplomat, Phobol Cheng, to determine the ironclad nature and singular authenticity of the Billy Meier UFO case,
Joe’d just had a rather heated conversation with our friend Mahesh, the “I-don’t-know-what-I’m-talking-about” skeptic from India, who’s attacked the Meier case for the past few years. He’d had previous conversations with him but today it didn’t go terribly well… at least for Mahesh.
The amateurish, inept skeptic was unable to refute the historical record of Billy Meier’s 1964 UFO photographic evidence, as established by one of the most well-respected reporters of a highly reputable Indian newspaper.
Mumbo-Jumbo
When Joe asked Mahesh to credibly explain just how Meier, a 27-year-old hitchhiking traveler in India at the time, had 80 UFO photographs in his possession, Mahesh told him “mumbo-jumbo” about Meier having some kind of a “special camera”. I can tell you, from first-hand experience, that the only thing special about 1940s Kodak bellow type cameras was that they worked well enough to take very basic, black and white photos.
Means, Motive and Opportunity
As Joe tried to explain, the importance of determining means, motive and opportunity is a fundamental element of consideration for doing a credible investigation of anyone under suspicion of a crime, hoax, dishonest behavior, etc.
This of course has gone far above the heads of Mahesh and every other skeptic, amateur or professional, who’s come forward to try to put a notch in their proverbial gun. A complete lack of comprehension of the facts, and a strict avoidance of dealing with them, only compounds their utterly futile attempts to take down the unimpeachable Billy Meier case.
Stone Silence
It’s also no coincidence that skeptics who’ve attacked the Meier case have all gone absolutely stone silent in the face of Joe’s refocusing on the 1964 evidence, clinging only to their already discredited, irrelevant and unsubstantiated theories.
Even Joe agrees that no “authority” is necessary in order for any reasonable person to come to the same irrefutable conclusions that he did, simply based on a logical and objective analysis of the 1964 evidence.
See also:
Billy Meier UFO Case: Beyond a Reasonable Doubt
Rahl Zahi’s Analysis Report on the WCUFO
Rahl Zahi’s Analysis Report on the Pendulum UFO
Rhal Zahi and Chris Lock’s Analysis on The Energy Ships
Scientific Experts’ Comments on Meier’s UFO Evidence
Documentation from IBM on Marcel Vogel’s Patents
Analysis of Meier’s ET UFO Photographs
Report on UFO Sound Recordings
OK Someone Please debunk this for me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCEENBqGvlw
Are you even remotely serious? What part of that nonsense needs addressing…again?
I think you should do some real homework before wasting anyone’s time with attacks from the pathetic, cowardly, lying wimp who couldn’t get his facts straight in the first place. These losers not only don’t have any facts, they don’t have any idea even…WHY they attack the case and Meier, who’s asked nothing of them, done nothing to them, etc.
This is part of a dent response I posted and to which there has been ZERO response, rebuttal, etc.:
https://theyflyblog.com/2017/08/07/india-1964-ironclad-evidence-billy-meier-ufo-case-real/
https://theyflyblog.com/2017/08/18/billy-meier-beyond-reasonable-doubt/ The inescapable four points:
• 80 UFO photos from a remote part of India in 1964: How, where did Meier obtain them?
• Seen and described by reporter for prestigious newspaper
• 11 original photos still available to this day
• Still living, credible eyewitnesses, vetted as credible and truthful
Instead of wasting time here with this garbage, you should try to get Razimus to respond to those points, in a CREDIBLE, SUBSTANTIATED manner.
Good luck.
So to my point: Did Billy publish these pictures or did the fellow just copy the pictures himself and try to “paint” Meier as a liar? As someone relatively new to this I am only seeking to look at both sides and make a determination of the validity of the data. This should have been an easy “debunk” if untrue?
Do not post, I will no longer visit this site. It is certainly Not for those who remain unconvinced. http://www.topsecretwriters.com/2015/11/billy-meier-ufo-research-group-keeps-the-fraud-under-wraps/
Please notice that not a ONE of these skeptical debunkers have, or will EVER, debate me and the evidence. That should tell you something.
“Do not post, I will no longer visit this site. It is certainly Not for those who remain unconvinced.”
— Have fun chasing conspiracies and rabbit holes with absolutely no truth.
You need to take a bath after visiting topsecretwriters to wash the ick off.
NASA was the one with the painting, Billy had photographs. If Billy had taken a picture of the painting, it would look like a picture of a painting, but it doesn’t.
Bill, all of the photos were published by Billy, I am one of the sympathisers and am happy to talk about it where others are not, it’s apparently a combination of the Plejaren deliberately programming the beamships to fly all jaggedly to make it look fake and a special men in black team from another world who interferred with the prints subtly so Billy would publish them without checking, and a bunch of other situations such as government operatives breaking into the developers and replacing the photos with other photos, as well as Billy himself making some photos which were conveniently smoothed into the package to make it look fake such as the energy ships conveniently next to image of a blurry light being swung about and there are a bunch of images which also look so poor that it’s such an embarrassment to me that I have stepped back a far amount myself. Apparently it’s all about curing us of our need for entertainment and to teach us about the nature of reality. There is atleast one actual UFO in the collection I can assure you of it, even if it was taken by someone locally who was not Billy.
There really are humans from another world visiting Billy in the early hours of the morning every few weeks or so even today, and that’s all been explained by him in more recent contact reports as well as old ones. It’s all about revealing how pathetic we all our and teaching us about reality in the hardest way they can without it causing other problems, while simultaneously locking away all the maddening individuals in the other crowd to a confinement, like a secret locking system.
Bill (or whatever),
Well, obviously, Billy’s “Special Camera/Models/Synthesizers/Invisible PA Speakers/Cold fusion Welding Workshop/Laboratory/Scientific Team/Library” were inaccessible for a few months and the pressure from absolutely no-one was so great, that Billy copied easily identifiable, publicly-available, illustrations to raise the millions he needed from no-one for hoisting his “special full-sized metal models” into the air on “special wires” using “special helicopters” or something. Yay, skeptics.
Ptaah called the space photos “…phony…” in 2005:
“…on the other hand, what hasn’t subsided since the very beginning is the matter with the phony space pictures and dinosaur pictures, for these still circulate worldwide with your self-appointed enemies. Still – and recently increasingly – such phony photos, which do not come from you, are attributed to you again.”
http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/FIGU_Special_Bulletin_20
It should read: again… and again and again.
I am trying to establish the truth. Meier appears to be mired in controversy….seems logical to check this out….I do not intend to “ruffle” your feathers Matt (or whatever).
How does asking for and receiving the opinion of bloggers here ‘establish the truth’ in any way, shape or form?
Re: “mired in controversy”: So, is the world being round – so what?
If you want to be logical and check this out, do that and build up an informed opinion and then come back with that.
The information has to be looked at as a whole and not just a couple pictures or contacts here and there. It’s a daunting task, but if you have the time, I would start at the beginning and go through as much of the information as possible. It’s interesting, exciting, entertaining and well worth your time. You have to establish the accuracy of the Plejaren’s and Billy’s track record. Once you’ve established in your own heart and mind that they are highly accurate, logical, loving and honest human beings, you’ll have no problem seeing that these frauds and skeptics are wasting your time. As for the controversy, well, it comes with the territory. Imagine that you had the most important information on Earth and many powerful and greedy people didn’t want you to spread that information. What do you think they would do to make sure you looked like a lunatic or at the minimum a liar? They would do whatever it takes. My advice is to look at the material and absorb as much as you can. Honestly think about the information and the time period in which most of the contacts took place. Come to your own conclusions.
Bill, are you one of those that say they don’t know why they are reading what they are reading or are you one of those that just causes a fuss for the sake of causing fuss. Well if your from England natively not just educated there and your causing fuss for the sake of causing fuss then well done, that’s what keeps the standards high, proud of you, but with the Billy Meier case be careful not to make too much a fuss because they are smart and have designed it knowing individuals like you turn up. Putting that out there for you. Best way to approach is with honour and respect, calmly, those that don’t, well, as I said its specially designed for several individuals approach methodologies.
That being the case MH why won`t the Ps finally really show themselves to the workld? What have they got to lose but all those stupid frauds such as mufon,Steven Greer, etc,etc,etc? Then the Ps can finally put to rest all those frauds,charlatans, know-it-alls,etc,etc,etc! At least we can finally get the REAL HONEST DEAL without all the hocus pocus military UFO stunts as Peter Devinport does once a week on c2c!
No point in it, Terry. anyone who wants to can prove it to themselves from the available evidence.
“That being the case MH why won`t the Ps finally really show themselves to the workld? ”
This is such arrogant Earthling thinking to the point it’s beginning to anger me. Here’s a better question you should be asking yourself — why the hell would an advanced, universal-traveling federation (who are traveling space on duties, not luxury) give two flying hoots about a bunch of unevolved dimwits confirming or denying their existence?
Seriously, think for just a brief moment, outside your little earthman box. Do you REALLY think it matters?
Only individuals looking at the full reality can successfully assess how that’s not a viable possibility. That’s the reason we, with MH, claim that ALL the UFO people are bunch of reality-estranged-naive, con-men and fraudsters, because we’re looking at full reality, whereby they especially are not. Its only viable under very special circumstances, and you’re talking about the entire world Terry, do you realise how grand a feat that would be to do that, we know how grand a feat it is by looking at the layout of Earth as it is, that’s its already occurred on Earth atleast once before. They’re forbidden from undermining a worlds naturally unfolding evolution, because of the position of the vulnerable, they consider it if they’re forced to but they’ve already assessed the future for a very long time. And Earth is a special case anyway as I have said. The UFO fraudster individuals would know that Earth is an exceptional case were they looking at full reality like Billy Meier is, so this is how we know. They never go far enough like Billy, never. The Plejaren have already done what you just said Terry if you assess it again more successfully, they just haven’t gone all the way like you say might be a good idea, were it a real viability without shaking the world out of its normal course and making us dependant on them. Its very similar to what happened in parts of the world during the colonial era.
Please substantiate Daniel “that its already occurred on Earth atleast once before”. Take a second glance at a particularly ignorant teenager with a high technology smart phone next time you see it. That’s not a normal feature for a stable world, blasé to see it everyday but its not normal, very unique.
Some individuals look at the word unique about Earth and immediately think sure, course it unique and what do you have to compare it to anyway. They do not know that living for under a hundred years is not only abnormal, it actually damages the universe.
Er, “damages the universe”, really…how?
It’s something to do with evolution, fine material and knowing more or less than we should know before we know it, something about bending the creative natural laws in such away that they are basically broken, let Billy or Christian explain it to you MH.
No, Daniel, you’re again making things up.
Ask them about it, your the Billy Meier expert, it shouldn’t be people like me coming along to tell you, should be the other way around, you’ve studied it for enough decades why don’t you begin explaining some of these things that Billy has given plenty of detail about, I think you are just afraid of loosing your audience to be honest.
Just to add this doesn’t include Ernst stuhlinger, a nasa scientist who was beamed up into Semjase’s ship with Billy present to discuss the moon landing (Contact 357).
“Besides, there was still Werner von Braun’s co-worker, with whom I was permitted to have a short conversation in Semjase’s beamship, as she flew with me to America and she beamed the man into her ship.”
He was a co-worker of von Braun’s but I don’t recall him being mentioned as working for NASA.
Plus, there’s no testable evidence remaining for this contact.
He retired from NASA in 1976. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Stuhlinger
Thanks.
No problem. I just got an impulse to perplexing question…why hasn’t any one created the sarat alphabet font, for our computers ?
I just heard George on C2C push this UFOs expert on Billy. I mean he really pushed Billy in his face. He supported MH in a very postive way. Still would like to see the tv show that they filmed. Well it was good to hear him do so. Salome Robert.
Thanks, let me know if there’s a link, etc.
It was last nights show in about the end of the first hr of the show. George even challenged him to debate you MH. I could not beleave what I was hearing. Of course the ufo expert, declined to do so. But wow, George really pushed him on it. That is such good news. It maybe be me but as George kept interviewing this ufo expert. He seemed to be making fun of him. Ok very well and good. Salome Robert.
Hi Michael
I am from chennai india .I happened to read Meir material for the past six years and I am really thankful that these ET s are giving us so much information especially contact report 251. Wow! You may think people are sceptical about the Meir case but equally there are number of people believe his case is true.
The ET s also mention about China attacking India
Did Meir mention anyrime when this would be and what would be the fate of this country.
thanks and regards
Shiva Balu
Regarding Billy Meiers explanations about incarnation. Have any of you ever seen the phenomena where a notable thug is somehow mixed into the hoard of regular thug, such as say eminem the talkist. Considerably more notable than his peers which is a particularly generous compliment. Has anyone looked at incarnation, racial mixing and multicultural societies from what the Plejaren have said.
Daniel, Eminem isn’t a thug. Perhaps he portrayed a rather exaggerated caricature version when he was younger in order to conform to the publics appetite for rebellious angst. But I can obviously see his lyrical technical abilities can make some uneasy.
Well you know more than me.
MH,
I think the interview Robert Forrest is referring to is Nick Pope.
Coast to Coast AM with Nick Pope
Shiva Balu,
I don’t think Meier mentioned a specific time-table for that, and I always thought what was mentioned was possible future conflict between India and Pakistan?
Be strong, and be personally prepared for anything to happen (positive or negative), and remain neutral at all times, even to the good people of China, who are also human beings just like you, although a very different Earth culture.~
You could always try to neutrally let your leaders neutrally know for true (lasting) peace with China (and Pakistan?), even if some sides have deep concessions.~
Shiva, one more comment, I recommend reading the Goblet of the Truth, this book could put down all war if the right people were reading it.~
All war = all the wrong kind of war not gewaltsame Gewaltlosigkeit [forced forcelessness] related to disarm war, and banish the prisoners.~
Core There is an article on counterpuhc.org tittled “Pruning-Hooks Made Out of Swords” The Case for a US Department of Peace by Ben Dangl Insidently I can`t afford to get GOTT because it`s too expensive and I don`t eve use credit cards.:-(((
Goblet of Truth is available online for free.
The Coast to Coast AM YouTube link that I had posted is for some reason no longer available. Here is another YouTube link to the very same Nick Pope interview:
Video has been removed
Why do we waste our time with people like Mehesh, you said in one word Mike…CLUELESS!!!!
I can identify with how Joe felt dealing with this guy, I deal with it on a daily basis.