An opportunity for Richard Hoffman to learn the truth about UFOs and extraterrestrials he’s been searching for his entire life
Hi Richard,
This morning I was again asked if I’m going to be presenting at the upcoming 2024 Anomalous Aerospace Phenomena Conference. Since I expect more inquiries about it and in order to save myself some time, I’m taking this opportunity to invite you to invite me to present the Billy Meier UFO contacts, still ongoing in Switzerland for over…81 years.
Because of your avowed, lifelong search for the truth about UFOs, and the scientific focus of your organization, I think you, your group and your audience will welcome a multimedia presentation on the only UFO case independently analyzed – and authenticated – by US astronauts, NASA aerospace engineers, USAF OSI/ Dept. of Defense national security supervisors, scientific and military experts from JPL, McDonnell Douglas, IBM, USGS, etc. Fortunately, the documentation is freely available for anyone to examine and determine the truth for themselves, as is now being done by scientists and laymen worldwide.
(See also: The Billy Meier UFO Case: Now You Can Prove It to Yourself)
The Higher Standard of Proof
As I explain here (and in my three linked Redacted interviews) there is an even higher standard of proof than the physical UFO evidence to be found in the more than 250 specific error-free examples of prophetically, accurate scientific, geopolitical, environmental, medical, and economic information. Much of this – copyright-verified – courtroom quality evidence could only have been acquired through…time travel.
(See also: Reference Page for: NASA Discoveries Confirm UFO Case Real)
What Is the Reason?
While this case contains ironclad proof of ongoing extraterrestrial contacts, it also addresses the most important – and always unasked – question in UFOlogy:
“If the contacts are real, what is the…reason for them?”
The abundance of authenticated physical evidence and scientific information establishes the credibility of this source. The absence of attempts to attack, enslave or destroy us over the past 82 years, along with these unprecedented Stealth-UFO photos, taken by the late lead investigator, Lt. Col. Wendelle Stevens, further demonstrate a lack of hostile intent.
Along with a voluminous amount of non-religious, belief-free information and recommendations specifically addressing how humankind can safely navigate the enormous problems facing us, it’s clear that the reason for the contacts is to help us assure our own very threatened future survival.
Remote Video Presentation
Of course, my presentation, which could be done remotely, would include this unequalled, 1981, pre-digital video:
As many of Meier’s over 1,200, 1964 – 1981, still irreproducible, pre-digital photos, like these:
For my part, I am the only UFO researcher/investigator who:
- Represents the only proven UFO contact case, which he has helped prove to be authentic
- Has had seven sightings, three of which were of Plejaren craft, one within 20′
- Produced four documentaries on the case and made 22 on-site investigative visits
- Was interrogated for three months by a skeptical national security officer, who subsequently authenticated and endorsed the case
- Discovered historically unprecedented, independently authenticated evidence
- Defeated all challenges from professional skeptics
I look forward to hearing from you at your earliest convenience.
The Billy Meier UFO Contacts: Multimedia Presentations by Michael Horn
The UFO field is far more complex. You can pat yourself on the back for your work and conviction but don’t pretend you know everything. I’ve had at least a dozen UFO sightings and I’ve met Adamski’s contacts on 3 occasions and talked to them but I don’t claim to know everything. They don’t show all the information that they have in their possession. They let us humans figure it out and the best evidence is seeing/experiencing for yourself. We can discuss that as grown ups. I started reading UFO books when I was 10 years old. I read every book on the subject from the local library. Project Blue Book, Jaques Vallee’s Messengers of Deception, basically everything they had. Later on I bought stuff from the American Bookstore in Amsterdam. So let me extend an olive branch and say that we as humans have to figure this out. We are in this together.
First, olive branch accepted.
It’s not about patting myself on the back, nor is it really about…UFOs. So, because it’s so necessary to get this information from Meier out into the world, the UFO approach is now, a supposed line of least resistance. Or should be. It does attract the attention of lots and lots of people ever since it got officially sanctioned in the media, by the governments, etc. All for their own agendas, of course.
But, as I constantly emphasize, the Meier contacts are literally about our future survival.
That’s very hard to get across to the majority of people taking any approach. However, since the “eye candy”, the best physical evidence ever presented, is what introduced this case, and quite obviously for greater purposes, that is where I have to of start and talk it up a bit, including using what sound like self-promoting and/or egocentric statements about my “expertise”.
Now, as someone who’s familiar with this information and has had his own interests, experiences, etc., throughout his life, you also realize this is not a competition between Meier and anyone else, nor really do I intend it to be a competition between me and anyone else. I’m sure you can at least understand my perspective in terms of what happens when I reach out to other people who are supposedly so very interested in the overall UFO topic. So far, the record shows that they are suppressive, hateful, envious, feel threatened, and most importantly, have no desire whatsoever to delve in to this material to see if it is or isn’t as represented, i.e. singularly authentic in all these ways.
This field, UFOlogy, is an abomination. It is the least scientific, least credible field of research, with no standards, where every wannabe, who’s bored with their life, can rush in and try to gain some significance by rehashing useless, government provided, disinformation, irrelevant claims, utterances from so-called whistleblowers, etc. Of course, there are people who are sincerely interested in any and all aspects of this topic. But what, greets them, what dominates, especially on social media, is utter garbage.
If we take the personal aspect out of the equation, anyone can corroborate and validate for themselves, the frighteningly accurate prophetic information that indeed has been – copyright-verified – published before the events occurred.
You are absolutely correct, and we are in complete agreement about being in this together, everyone, whether they know it or not. I will say this about so-called best evidence. I’ve had a number of sightings myself, so have many other people. The problem is that very, very few people can really know exactly what they are, seeing other than an object, a craft, the displays completely different characteristics than any terrestrial craft, that we know of.
Let’s take it a step farther. Let’s say you’ve spoken with actual, real extraterrestrial beings. Again, we have to say with no personal insult intended, so what? What is the overall value to humankind? This is where we must come back, time and time again for these contacts that are ongoing for 81 years. Only a few other people have seen the extraterrestrials, many have seen their craft. But that’s really the least important part of all of this. It comes back again to the…reason for the contacts, and that is, as previously and repeatedly stated, to help us assure our very threatened future survival.
Humankind, and even especially all the wannabes in UFOlogy, continue to ignore, attack, suppress, and censor this material. But the evidence is that while that has actually been the case for decades, the long foretold events continue to…ceaselessly fulfill.
So, I truly appreciate your outreach, and I accept it. Anyone who is truly seeking the truth, the real truth about all things, is in that way, a like-minded companion on this road in life. We don’t all have to agree about everything. We can acknowledge that there is no less respect for anyone who holds different points of view. In fact, in life, it’s essential that there are differences in points of view, that there are opposing perspectives, because without certain oppositions and friction, there is no evolution, only stagnation, such as occurs in religions, cults, political sects, etc.
Thanks for your comments and your outreach.
Very nice response MH. I would say that you haven’t read every book on the subject unless you have read Billy Meiers books. You want to be educated read them, and you will be, 800 years AHEAD! No disrespect intended, I also have been a treky since birth, since my father was a big wig at JPL and then at TRW, welcome to where your questions will be answered. If you seek them that is, it’s up to you, my brother.
Mark,, your’e liking the Decalogue ?
yes and no, learning the commandments is good, but seeing how far we have descended and the upcoming consequences for defying them is depressing. It will be a long painful road upward, but it has to be done.
How many books have you read so far and which were the best?
7 they all are good, fluidal energy was the most difficult for me, due to the massive amount of knowledge therein contained. I will have to re-read it to absorb the information. It will increase the size of your cerebral cortex.
I’m in stitches reading this, you’re hilarious, and obviously you’re a little deluded too, you must have no clue what actual evidence is. Keep searching though, as you’ll find the truth one day. Peace to you and yours!
The metal samples hold up well and so do the photos. Witness testimonies are peripheral to these but still regarded as evidence in courts of law.
The photos number near a thousand pre digital color film. I don’t know of any of any other UFO case with metal samples.
The IBM scientist Marcel Vogel who invented liquid crystals and analysed the metal, said it was a compound produced without heat and it couldn’t have been assembled on earth.
This is all strong evidence.
I consider the prophetically accurate information to be the “higher standard of proof”. Unlike the authenticated physical evidence, credible arguments against copyright-verified proof don’t exist.
I agree. Verifiable predictions of future events is the true test of advanced knowledge far beyond Earthly means. And at the very least it proves Billy has access to other-worldly technology/foreknowledge.
I wish it was all Isolated and formatted in a section within this website.. maybe it is I will look. it would be great to see it all catalogued.
Hello Ed,
There’s so much I would like to say, but I would highly suggest you read about Billy personally attending George Adamski’s lecture in Zurich….
https://gregdougall.wordpress.com/2020/05/24/warning-part-6-ufo-bullshit-series-george-adamski/
It’s from CR 349, but there is also more info in CR 029 and 050. And Horst Fenner’s experience where Athar and Kohun talk about George. All of these excerpts are compiled on my site so you don’t have to read through the whole contact report in order to find the topic at hand.
Happy truth hunting…
For your information:
George Adamski was just a great charlatan, a liar, a hoaxster, a scammer, a real fraud, just a trickster, a scoundrel, a conman, a swindler, was just one more forger. And nothing else beyond that.
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Contact Report number 349:
Three Hundred and Forty-ninth. Wednesday, 12th November 2003, 01:48 hrs.
Billy:…Well, let me see if I can still put it together after all this time. If something doesn’t correspond to the events of that time, then please correct me:… It was in the late fifties or the beginning of the sixties when this charlatan Adamski gave a show in Zurich at the Volkshaus, Helvetia-Platz, with very strange 8mm films and weak, ridiculous-looking explanations. Interested in the show myself, I contacted Asket, who was present when I attended the Adamski lecture together with Paul Christen and three others, of whom I only know their first names, Kurt, Eddy and probably Erich. So I bought a ticket, saw his films and listened to his speech, which was translated into German by a translator. For my part, I had a translator on loan from the alien Asket, who was also present, but who remained invisible to everyone present due to the technology of her light deflector, which also rejects and redirects radar beams. Unfortunately, the translators did not do their duty correctly, which disturbed me as well as the audience, who became quite displeased. Unfortunately, I cannot remember many details, because it is more than 40 years ago, but I remember that long before the lecture, Asket explained to me that Adamski’s claims were made from thin air and that his UFOs were nothing more than models. During the lecture, Asket and I agreed that I should have a conversation with George Adamski after the film and the explanations were finished and confront him with the truth of the fact that all his films were made with models and that his whole story was just his imagination for the purpose of being famous and traveling the world etc. But since I didn’t know English at that time, I had to rely on Asket’s translator, which then served me well.
Around 23:30, when the audience had left, I approached Adamski and asked him for a very important personal interview, without the audience being present. He agreed to this – for 15 minutes, as he promised. However, it must be said that Asket’s suggestive impulses were necessary. So we went into a small room – Asket, of course, going along unnoticed – where I confronted him and accused him of fraud and charlatanry, which he of course vehemently denied. So I resorted to the remedy that Asket had suggested to me, namely that I could prove to him that he could prove the whole of his claims only from his fingers, explaining to him that I myself had been in contact with extraterrestrials since my childhood and that an extraterrestrial was invisibly present in the room, and that he was not well disposed to his giddiness, he reacted angrily, became loud and hissed that my words were only nonsense, because there was nothing trivial. Then I asked him how he would behave if Asket, who had been invisible until then, suddenly appeared in the room. And again he hissed that there could not be such a thing. And that was exactly the moment when Asket switched off her light redirection device and appeared out of nowhere right in front of Adamski.
Pale as chalk and frightened he opened his eyes and was unable to utter a word. It may have taken him two, three or even four minutes to get his bearings and he stutteringly asked Asket, dressed in a space suit, where she came from and who she was. Of course, she explained the whole context to him, but I can’t remember the details, which led Adamski to apologize to me and explain that I was right with my accusation against him. But he had brought everything up big and now he could not go back etc., because otherwise he would make himself impossible all over the world. I don’t remember what he said, except that he said that he always felt very alone and that he had therefore sought the way through the alleged UFOs and contacts with equally alleged extraterrestrials. That in order to get in contact with people who should admire him, to which he also used his strong suggestive powers to cast a spell on people. Finally we were then more than half an hour in the room, when suddenly there was a knocking at the door, whereupon Asket switched on her cloaking device again in a flash and was absolutely invisible. Then a woman came in who wanted to pick Adamski up and asked if we were finally finished, which I answered with yes, after which I left wordlessly and never heard anything from Adamski personally again. Unfortunately I cannot remember anything more, at least not the exact details of the conversation, neither from myself nor from Adamski or Asket.
Ptaah:
20. Your account is correct in every respect.
Contact Report number 050
Fiftieth Contact. Tuesday, 6th April 1976, 01:37 hrs
Semjase:
81. They were confusingly, but logically, made by a whole group of earthlings for fraudulent charlatan purposes.
82. But they are truthfully of complete insignificance.
83. Adamski also worked in the same form and also forged such characters for fraudulent purposes.
84. Also Michalek and some others have indulged in the same lower machinations.
Billy:I can imagine that. But now that we are already on Adamski: Has he ever seen a beamship before? It has to be like this. Because how else could he have known that these look very similar to the ones he copied in his cardboard and metal models?
Semjase:
85. He has never seen a beamship, which has been checked and verified by us very carefully.
86. His knowledge leads back to a conversation with a person who was able to describe these forms of flying machines in detail.
87. This person however remained silent about their observations to other people, which is why she never became known.
88. It was a woman.
89. Adamski made drawings according to her statements, after which he then copied his other drawings and models, etc. and photographed them fraudulently and spread them all over the world.
Billy:Aha, then is it not the case that Adamski is simply called a cheater because of carelessness or incorrectness?
Semjase:
90. No, he was a vicious charlatan and cheater of the worst form.
Billy:That is very clear again. So there is no excuse whatsoever for him and his actions.
Semjase:
91. No, he was deceitful in the deepest depths of his yearnings.
From Contact Report number 029
Twenty-ninth, Monday, 7th July 1975, 10:37 hrs.
George Adamski UFO hoax
129. But especially I would like to talk again about George Adamski, because he made the most tremendous assertions together with Karl Michalek, and because of the excessive number of trick photos, etc. he became more and more audacious and frivolous in the course of the years.
130. Since he saw and recognised that he found great approval in certain circles and that his photos, etc. were not subjected to too much scrutiny and therefore were able to deceive real experts, he dared to make even greater claims, namely that he had flown in extraterrestrial spaceships and had been photographed from ship to ship by extraterrestrial life forms.
131. In this regard, I refer specifically to the book ‘Inside the Spaceships’, which you kindly gave me earlier to study.
132. In this book, before page 161, there is a photograph of Adamski allegedly taken from a Venusian reconnaissance ship.
133. Here it is stated that in the picture Adamski is in the early morning hours of 25 April 1955 on board of a larger spaceship and is standing, together with an extraterrestrial human being, at a viewing hatch.
134. This picture alone is able to convey to every truth-loving and inquiring human being on Earth the fact that Adamski’s statements correspond to a pure fantasy, because through the constantly increasing journeys on Earth and the arising carelessness he has made a spectacular mistake here, which convicts him of deception, if it is seriously taken into consideration that the size of the viewing hatch (into which Adamski had glued a picture of his head), converted to a scale true to reality, only amounts to just 15 cm (5.9 inches).
135. This is a very accurate measure, extremely precise and correct.
136. If this measure is now remeasured into the total width of the ship, the length and width of which can be recalculated in the picture, this would result in a total width and total height of the ship of only 171 cm (5 feet, 7 inches), and a total length of 897 cm (29 feet, 5 inches), which would correspond to the measures of reality.
137. Adamski, however, had made models which did not exceed a maximum size of 30 cm (11.8 inches), but were usually only a few centimetres in size, which he mounted on glass panes in front of the optics of his devices and then photographed.
138. In this way he obtained very deceptive photos, especially when he worked with telescopes and was able to use the moon as a background.
139. He was only able to take various photographs by lining up several panes of glass with pictures, drawings and self-illuminating dyes and then photographing the whole thing.
140. He had a friend, who had died in the meantime, make a very good model, made of metal.
141. He also attached this bell-shaped model to a very strong and pierced glass pane and used it for close-ups, etc., which were able to deceive even experts.
142. Adamski was able to cast a spell over worldwide circles through these erroneous machinations.
143. This was all the easier for him because of the appropriate orientation of his [deceptive / persuasive] nature towards his fellow men.
144. To a great extent, however, his extraordinarily high ability of suggestion was decisive, enabling him to provoke hallucinations in well-known personalities in various forms.
145. For many years he was able to influence people with such realistic thinking according to his will and fantasies and to let them have the conviction that they were actually in contact with extraterrestrial intelligences.
146. In addition to Adamski, there are other charlatans and swindlers of the same kind at work, although their dimensions do not reach his.
147. However, several of them play a very important role and continue to promote untruth.
Source, for your reference:
The Plejaren Contact Reports.
With all the original German dialogues, along with English translations, side by side.
https://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/The_Pleiadian/Plejaren_Contact_Reports#Listed_by_contact_report_number
Great email Micheal, hopefully there’s a little good that comes from it. Salome
Speaking of evidence, took a screenshot of something that makes me think of what i read about the coming two civil wars in the CRs and how there will be 4 or 5 factions.
wow look at that! five groups!
link to video where i took the screenshot from:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=u55QGCue7oU
Thanks Paul, I’ll include in a blog.
cool! that image i shared was small part of the video that i left a link to. i just tracked down the actual news story that shows that image. it’s the result of some kind of poll taken. here’s the actual news story behind that image:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=l7_P3Safn-Y&pp=ygUVZm94IHN0YXRlcyBzdWNjZWVkaW5n
From remembering the reading, the prophecy or prediction, may have said the USA will split into five different territories, whereby sectarian forces would be the cause. It is different if we interpret this as four to five factions divvying up the country. If it were to be five different territories, we may recognise that two of the fifty are separated from the 48 by (1) a large body of water, i.e. the Pacific Ocean on the west coast of California, and (2) a large land mass (Canada) up north that borders Russia, which if we read into the prophecies further, it says that Canada will join the frey with Russia over Alaska. Which then leaves the last three territories. If California and Texas are two opposing states that may not see commonality with each other this means that these two could be centered in (3) and (4) this leaves one left. Perhaps this goes to the first 13 colony states east of the Appalachian mountains.
Eusebio
It is also said in the circles of conspiracy theorist that the US will divide into five different territories. I actually heard that theory first from the theorist before I heard it from Billy Meier.
So what came first. The chicken or the egg?
D.
Chicken or egg? What is this breakfast? You know what comes first its Creation realising itself and from there countless of evolutions later from the sea to the land where then we have dinosaurs, possibly the T-rex gets itself evolved in such a manner than in the end what we do have are chickens and eggs.
From what I gather, hearing is not the same as contemplation and perception. Whereby if you say you ‘heard’ a theory of someone saying something and then you are passing this along, this implies that you may not be contemplating or thinking about what is being said, but rather just simply believing this or that, whereby, it seems you are passing along your belief in order to what… sow doubt perhaps.
Well friend, I have a strong head on my shoulders and don’t fall for anyone’s belief, rather I take information in a neutral fashion, whereby if the information has value, then it gets stored somewhere in a file system in my noggin, where also those that are not of value, I put in the trash bin.
Don’t really know how the states are going to split into five different territories, but just simply believing will get me nowhere.
Due to the sevenness of our DERN universe, I do wonder though if the five territories are mainly just the mainland. Whereby if it is just the mainland, then the other two extra territories could then be Alaska and Hawaii, where then we get a total of seven territories but not five. But that is just it, if we take things at face value, even what Billy is saying, then how can we figure things out on our own, where certainly mistakes will occur because it is inevitable. What is important is the thinking process and the ability and capacity to work things out.
No value can be had in circular logic, for a chicken and egg question is really quite dumb and does not a real human being make. Since this question does not take into consider evolution into consideration, whereby it just make the person asking the question of another feel dumb and stupid. Sorry to say it but I feel this is true, since there is no value to be had in such analogy.
And yes, I get what you are getting at. But from my perspective this equating Billy’s prophecies and predictions with something you happen to hear is just that – a prophecy, i.e. a warning sent from a herald in our oldest time – versus – something you hear (to sow some doubt), since this is a first I hear of it, whereby you have no evidence to back it up with.
Don’t know who you are, and I am not saying this to cause emotions to flare. Just stating what I see and observe, whereby I would rather like to negate ‘conspiracy theories’ and instead speak about how we can navigate away from danger. Which in all its seriousness, can also save you if you can see the value in the prophecies and predictions.
Link to Fox News video showing the territorial division based on University of Virginia 2021 poll:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7_P3Safn-Y
More info:
https://www.resilience.org/stories/2023-01-24/while-regional-independence-gains-traction-we-need-to-consider-our-interdependence/
That was a polite and professionally crafted letter, anyone refusing the opportunity to take this case on in the way you proposed would have to be compromised. The only criticism I can make is the digital smoothing effect on some of the photos gives them an illustrated look and could generate doubt.
When searching for the truth, many times tough question arise.
How can our sun be older than the galaxy it resides in ?
Galaxy = 810,000,000,000
Our solar system = 500 Billion
Oldest solid material in our galaxy = 500 Billion.
Then its said that our sun is 1 trillion 730 billion years old.
Can anyone here make this make sense ?
Question: How old is the central star (The Sun) of our SOL System, (It doesn’t say “Our galaxy. It’s says SOL system) and how did it originate?
Pius Keller, Switzerland
Response: According to Pleiadian/Plejaran information, the age of our sun is 1 trillion
and 730 billion years.
Taken from —> https://nebula.wsimg.com/9465314bf3049d768a461e71ae03e393?AccessKeyId=C0F879B9BB56750BC6EE&disposition=0&alloworigin=1
Age of our galaxy.
640. The age of this galaxy amounts to close to exactly 810,000,000,000 years since the beginning of the first formations of gas
Taken from –> https://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_238
The oldest solid material in our galaxy.
641. Consequently, only your question still remains to be answered regarding the oldest solid material, respectively, according to the oldest planets in this galaxy, about which I have already thereby answered you, as I explained to you, that the oldest material in the SOL-system indicates an age from around 5,000,000,000 years.
Taken from –> https://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_238
D.
Galaxies are formed by the gravitational pull of stars and other gases. Through the gravitational dance, they begin to spin and rotate and eventually become a galaxy. Our sun must have already been in the process of formation when the galaxy formed.
The sun is a huge ball of hydrogen and helium gas held together by its own gravity, which would exclude it from the solid matter category.
From your first link:
This 1 trillion 730 billion (1,730,000,000,000) year age of our sun refers to the total and complete time it has existed from its actual origin, which in reality goes back to the first clustering of Ur energy. The Pleiadians/Plejarans therefore do not calculate the sun’s age from the time the sun itself was created, but from the time when the first gases and the like began to form, from which the sun ultimately originated after a trillion-year-long process…
Melissa. Thank you for your response.
With all due respect.
I realize that the Plejaren calculate formations from the first formation of the fine material gases. I get that. One could compare that method of calculating to the creation of a baby. A babies age, here on earth, starts when the baby is born but in reality, the baby started being a baby when the first cell divided. So I understand the method but the mother has to exist before the first baby cell divides.
Our Sun could not form before the galaxy it resides in. Its like saying a baby was born before it’s mother was born. Our sun is in our solar system which is in our galaxy which is in our universe. I’m pretty sure there is an order of progress or development in the formation of those three separate bodies of mass.
For example. Our galaxy did not form before the big bang.
The image I posted is what I imagine the formation of our solar system looked like in it’s simplest description. I don’t have an actual picture because I didn’t exist while this solar system was forming. The sun forms first and the outer material is what forms the planets, moons, asteroids etc. There has to be an order of progressive development.
If I remember correctly, It was said in the reports that our sun actually formed twice. It first formed, then exploded, then started the formation process again. I tried to find the discussion on that but failed to find it.
What came first ? Chicken or the egg.
Thanks again Melissa. I appreciate your efforts.
Does anyone else have an explanation to this legitimate question ?
How can a sun be older then the galaxy it resides in ?
I would ask Billy or his subordinates but getting answer from them is difficult.
D.
PS: I am not trying to disprove this, but rather trying to prove it.
Stars did form before galaxies. That is already known science. Stars also form inside the galaxy, but how would a galaxy form if there was nothing to form it from? Galaxies form through the huge gravitational pull of objects (star gases) and other gases and dust. Many stars were born before any galaxies existed.
“Although we are not sure exactly when the first stars began to shine, we know that they must have formed sometime after the era of Recombination, when hydrogen and helium atoms formed (380,000 years after the big bang), and before the oldest-known galaxies existed…”
https://webbtelescope.org/contents/articles/what-were-the-first-stars-like#:~:text=Timeline%20of%20the%20universe%3A%20Although,400%20million%20years%20after%20the
Thank you again Melissa for your efforts.
I can not accept that theory. There has to be an order to things and the develop of them and that theory has its values out of order. Perhaps someone can ask Billy for a logical explanation. I feel that we are warranted in needing to know and know it fully. If we don’t know the details and just accept it, it’s the same thing as “Just believing in God” because someone said so.
This same conundrum applies to forward time travel. It hasn’t happen yet and if the future already exist then it must be predestine. preprogrammed.
Thanks again Melissa.
D.
That is a logical explanation. How does a galaxy form otherwise? I would love to hear your theory on what holds a galaxy together if it isn’t from the gravitational attraction of gases, stars and nebulae.
Melissa and any who are also reading this.
First off let me start with the word preprogrammed that I used to my previous post. I know it sounds a little “out there” but is it any more or less “out there” then someone saying they can fly through solid rock all the way to the hot lava levels of our planet? or time travel to a future that hasn’t happened yet? Or with a use of an apparatus, a door opens and you walk through it and you’re on the other side of the universe sitting in someone’s living room? I would say that all of those subjects are difficult to put in a logical category because it’s so far-fetched it’s hard to believe. And if I “Just accept it” without questioning it, then that is dogmatic believing.
In reference to what keeps a Galaxy together. I imagine that it’s a combination of processes and not just one thing. I believe that gravity pulls things inward and dark matter or perhaps dark energy has a pushing force or more so a stabilizing force similar to Einstein’s theory of SpaceTime bending. He called it bending I call it pushing or resisting. I see dark matter as the water in a fish tank that suspends the course material that’s within it. The centrifugal forces of a spinning mass, resp: A galaxy, are held back by a pushing or stabilizing force, dark matter or dark energy. Sir Isaac Newton figured out the first law of motion.
An object at rest remains at rest, and an object in motion remains in motion at constant speed and in a straight line unless acted on by an external force.
Everything in space spins and moves forward unless acted upon by gravity and dark matter. If there were no dark matter or whatever it is called, there would be no galaxies and our universe would still be in its dust storm phase forever
Gravity pulls.
Everything spins.
Spinning objects exert centrifugal forces that makes the object want to fly apart.
Dark matter exerts an opposing force that keeps things in balance.
That is how I see it at my current level of understanding.
Melissa. I want to remind you and Michael that I have been respectful to everyone here, even after being called “Low intelligence” or “Brilliant” in a sarcastic manner. My questions are about subjects that do not make sense so there for, the proper way to understand it deeper is to ask the Official American spokesman for the Billy Meier UFO case, Michael Horn and yourself because you’re in the same category. So please. I know my questions ruffles you and Michael’s feathers because you want the world to believe this and its why Michael spent the last 50 years of his life promoting it. So I come here. I tried contacting Billy but that doesn’t work. He’s burnt out with questions and I understand why.
Remember that this is not an argument. It is a discussion and a debate.
D.
PS: I forgot something. Stars form before and during a galaxies life span but the material that makes a galaxy is present along with the gases that make stars. So if the Plejaren calculate ages from the initial gas cloud and not after a mass has formed, then one can say while pointing at the initial gas cloud. “That is our galaxy.” They, in my opinion are the same age. 500B since it is said that there is no material in the universe older than 500B. so there cant be a star 1.73 trillion years old if in fact, all of the material is only 500B yrs old.
“No material older than 500B” because everything is renewed over and over and is not the age of the actual universe.
I think there might be a typo in the Q&A statement that I referenced. They called it the central star and then followed that with “of our SOL system” I think they were referring to our black hole central star of our galaxy and not our solar system sun.
Our SOL system, as I see it, is our “Solar system” and not the Dern universe or the milky way galaxy. I even inserted my addition to that question in parentheses to indicate that there might be a typo.
“…Question: How old is the central star (The Sun) of our SOL System, (It doesn’t say “Our galaxy. It’s says SOL system)
I hope all of that made some sense to you on why I ask what I ask.
D.
Hi David,
Your questions don’t ruffle our feathers, but we are not responsible for proving anything to you. We absolutely don’t ever want you to believe anything, so we would request that you don’t falsely accuse us of that. You don’t have to accept the Plejaren explanation. The Plejaran have offered us this information freely and without any strings attached. What you do with it is 100% up to you.
Michael’s spokesman role is to present and bring attention to the case in the English speaking world, which he has done.
The oldest material in the universe is 500B.That includes stars
Take 500B then subtract 1.73 trillion.
Let me know what you come up with.
Thank you Melissa. I appreciate your diligence.
D.
To help make sense of the universe and gravity, I suggest reading up on Einstein’s General Relativity. That’s what I’m doing now. It’s a tough read and it will take a while but bit by bit I’m hopeful I can understand it. Based on our current knowledge, relativity is the best bridge to help in the understanding of really advanced concepts, like instantly traversing through the universe via a portal. Apparently, based on relativity theory it is theoretically possible to do this using a wormhole. The CRs only give brief incomplete references to such advanced concepts. But I think there are nuggets there if you dig deep enough. When I looked into antigravity fields used to eliminate air resistance between ET craft and atmosphere there was this info in the CRs:
“74. Thus, this radiation protection shield has the function of protecting the beamship against all external influences and resistances, without without destroying or displacing anything that collides with the shield.
75. All things intruding or offering resistance simply get deflected, without causing a displacement.
76. A displacement would in fact already mean resistance and lift the possibility of the unlimited speed.
77. Through this radiation protection shield granting a sliding off, another important effect is triggered, which is of great significance and of vital importance for the passengers.”
This didn’t make any sense until I read NASA scientist Paul Hill’s book “Unconventional Flying Objects”, where he talks about antigravity fields that eliminate any and all air resistance between ET craft and atmosphere. The “no displacement” and “sliding off” mentioned in the CR means that a fluid element will go around the craft as it passes by, due to the antigravity field surrounding it, and return to its original position undisturbed, without experiencing any friction with the UFO body.
Another example, when I was reading through the CR description of the asteroid that destroyed Atlantis, it said “Two seconds later the planetoid began to glow like a supernova and created a heat of more than 340,000 degrees.” I originally interpreted this to mean that the asteroid itself heated to a temperature of 340,000 degrees, but that’s not the case, since most of the atmospheric heating for a hypersonic body occurs in front of the body, away from it, in a shock region where the air is highly compressed. If the CR had instead said that the asteroid itself reached a temperature of 340,000 degrees it would have been wrong. Instead, it used other wording, deliberately I think, to stay accurate while not giving away the precise physics.
So to get value and understanding out of the CR info I think you’re going to have to read deeply into the existing science.
Phil.
Thank you Phil
D.
Good night, what’s this about “ruffled feathers” and “wanting the world to believe this”?
I’ve spent my time promoting the information because I think this is the most important body of material in human history. I’ve been vocal about it and still, perhaps foolishly, reach out to UFO groups, media people, scientists, etc., who have some public presence/influence, despite the fact that they don’t want to know, are INCAPABLE of understanding, and only care about their own profit and fleeting fame.
It defies all logic.
MH.
I just feel that I am upsetting you guys with my questions. I have sensed a slight defensive feeling with some of the responses I’ve read. So I used “Ruffled feathers”
Trust me MH. I have no beef with you or Melissa.
Another thing Id like to clarify is the word Believe and Belief. They are two different words with two different meanings. I use the word believe when I mention your long journey promoting the BM case. I give you kudos for trying to get people to believe this case because when they do, things will get better.
From the Webster dictionary.
‘believe’ (with a v) is a verb. It means to have confidence in the truth. Then, ‘belief’ (with an f) is a noun. It means a religious faith or the feeling of being certain that something is true.
“I believe the sky is blue because I can see it”
“I don’t have a belief in an unverifiable God”
Thanks Michael and everyone else.
D.
There is absolutely never a time when we want anyone to believe anything. Belief and faith are the rejection of one’s own responsibility to strive for the truth. Confidence is just another form of belief and faith. I can be confident in something or I can know something to be the truth. There’s a huge difference.
I cant give you a complete explanation, I don’t think anyone can but I think the formation of any clumped matter in the universe cannot occur with gravity alone, all the simulations fail, only with the addition of imaginary particles or fudging the numbers do you get something to happen.
With the addition of electricity, magnetism and plasma into the equations you get something interesting happening where you get huge currents seeking out equilibrium across massive distances of space, this has the effect of compressing matter at nodal points like pearls on a string that can then become bodies, this overcomes the problem of loose conglomerations of dust never getting big enough to fuse.
The magnetic field also rotates and that takes with it the ionized material that will move towards the equatorial plane giving, star systems and galaxies their shape and density distribution.
If you want to know more about plasma physics and how it can solve some of the dogmatic religious science problem that many have been struggling against, I would start with Hannes Alfvén and maybe check out the thunderbolts project on YouTube, Wal Thornhill is an excellent speaker and does a good job explaining things simply and easily.
I think it may help you find answers to the missing pieces that don’t make sense.
Scientists also suspect that dark matter is involved since regular matter only makes up 5% of the Universe, but that is still science fiction as far as we are concerned. The point is that we can look back and see that the first stars existed before any known galaxies. It was those stars that went supernova and paved the way for planets, galaxies, blackholes and so on. The Plejaren state that a star is born when it’s earliest Ur energy clumps together.
There are many things that we can’t prove, but that doesn’t disprove what the very advanced Plejaren are telling us. And as far as I’m concerned, the explanations by the Plejaren are far more logical than anything I’ve heard from any Earth humans. It’s always up to the individual to decide for themselves. Instead of asking other people to prove things to them, they should prove it to themselves through their own thinking. If they aren’t able to accomplish that, no one else will be able to do it for them.
What bugs me is that dark matter is suggested as a solution to the problem before they would even consider that electrical currents permeate space, there has been an overwhelming rejection that anything other than gravity or explosions can cause structurers in space, thankfully with the latest telescopes and observatories its becoming more and more obvious its a failed model in that regard.
Maybe dark matter or energy will be proven one day but ignoring something altogether that is supposed to be 10 to the 36th power stronger than gravity is quite silly.
With electrical currents in space and the resulting magnetism, you don’t need anything other than a load of hydrogen / protons in space and a potential gradient for different forms of matter to be created condensed and rotated, the sapphire project has proven transmutation occurs on a model of the suns corona in the lab, if you haven’t seen the project have a good look, it was said by the Plejahren that they create stuff using electron synthesis, the Safire project proved that this can be done.
I couldn’t agree more about proving things for yourself, everyone has to do the best they can with the limited information they have at hand, but they should always keep their mind open to new ideas, especially when new evidence comes to light about something that disproves your stance to try not to hold onto that because of ego and and follow the truth as best you can. I think this is one of the reasons why our science is so distorted and confusing today.
Whatever your views, the universe truly is a fascinating place so many wonderous things.
I think that dark matter and dark energy will be proven without a doubt in the coming decades, which will explain the missing gravity and other missing forces.
Here’s another interesting discussion between Billy and Ptaah:
Billy:
… Once again I would like to talk about ‘black matter’, because the earthly astrophysicists are still bickering about what it might be, but they just don’t get to the point. We have talked about this matter several times, but you have always said that you are not allowed to give any information about it. …
Here is my question: On the one hand you say that ‘Dark Matter’ is an expanding substance or matter, but on the other hand you also once said that only through ‘Dark Matter’ is gravity possible and can function. Isn’t that a contradiction? Somehow I just do not understand the whole thing, it confuses me.
Ptaah:
103. As far as I am allowed to make a statement, I will explain the following:
104. Dark matter is an interactive mass, which means that it is massive particles which – measured in the atomic range – have an enormous weight.
105. These massive particles have an interaction that is related to both gravity and expansion force, which is why I explained that dark matter is expansion matter, although I did not mention that it is also gravity matter.
106. So without the dark matter there would be neither centrifugal force nor gravity.
107. So without gravity no expansion substance can exist, and without expansion matter no gravity.
108. Both factors, centrifugal force and gravity, are everywhere, but they are only perceptible and therefore also measurable, but not visible, because they radiate neither light nor darkness visible to the eye.
109. I am not allowed to explain more about this.
Billy:
So far I understand what you are saying, but I would be interested to know how it works and other connections, as well as whether ‘dark matter’ also exists in the ‘black holes’, which seems logical to me, although I also know, because you told me, that there are small and large ‘black holes’ in the whole space of the universe, apart from the central ‘black holes’ at the centre of the galaxies.
Ptaah:
110. I am not allowed to explain further about ‘dark matter’, but with regard to ‘black holes’, I can say once again that they exist in almost incalculable numbers throughout the universe, and also in free space.
111. So there are large ones that comprise or contain millions of times the masses of the sun, while others are small and almost puny, as you once said, because they do not cover even one cubic metre.
112. And, of course, ‘black holes’ also contain ‘dark matter’
https://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_586
As we have a reliable source I tend to agree..
We still do not know however if gravity is a fundamental interaction, The Casimir effect seems interesting to me, as I have mentioned before it has all the right properties to be the fundamental driving force behind gravity, as well as a repulsive force in some instances which could explain some of the anomalies we see in space.
It seems im not alone in thinking this, there is an interesting paper by Bo E Sernelius titled GRAVITATION AS A CASIMIR EFFECT
Its way above my pay grade so to speak but it has some interesting bits that caught my attention regarding what was said in CR586
“Could the gravitational force be the result of a more fundamental interaction between some other particles? This is what we assume in this work.”
There is so much we don’t understand it boggles the mind. Anyone who thinks we are a highly advanced civilization needs their head examined IMO.
Anyway not really relevant I just thought it was interesting.
I don’t think our scientists will uncover the truth until they discover the 3 remaining fundamental forces of nature, which may still take many years. It boggles my mind all the time when earthlings say that we are an advanced civilization. We are a little smarter than the apes. ha ha!
Chris.
I don’t think its gravity only either.
Thank you
D,