Since my previous blog also became a lightening rod for opposing views on astrology, I offer this one for the discussion of the topic. I have titled it Terrestrial Astrology: Science or Superstition? since the issue includes the idea that the astrology that the Plejaren are said to practice is far different, more advanced and accurate than our terrestrialย version.
Hopefully some light can be shed that will be of value to all concerned.
UPDATE on earthquakes:
The Clarification of correctness and truth on this matter can be found on “The Future of Mankind” BTW ..How many more years spiritually advanced are the Plejaren Than us? ..Anybody?
and therefore .. !!?
Michael,
You have asked me to respond to people on this blog, and I will, but only to those who will treat me with respect, open-mindedness, and common decency.
I will not respond to closed-minded, disrespectful, rude, constantly incorrect, arrogant, waste of time, horrible know-it-alls like Mister Dyson Dimwit. He should send me his birth data, so I can predict his demise, which we can only hope is soon, because he is such a miserable person.
What a laugh, he mentions his “arsenal”, as if he is the only one who owns firearms.
He thinks he’s special, intelligent, and more knowledgeable about almost everything, because he translates Meier material. I could have done that in high school, leave alone after 7 years in universities and two degrees later. I judge people by their words and actions, and he is an arrogant, absurd, closed-minded, pathetic know-it-all.
Look, let me make this perfectly clear, if he wants peace, I will give him peace, but if he wants war, I’ll give him war, and I’m certain I will win.
As far as the Astrological discourse, I will proceed as I decide is correct, with individuals that I chose to proceed with.
Thank you.
Tony,
As I am not hesitant to take Dyson, or anyone else, to task for either inappropriate comments, ad hominem attacks, etc., etc., I also have to point out that because you have taken an evasive stance, where you actually refuse to respond with substantiation for your claims, now matter how or by whom you are asked to do so, you’re not keeping your end of the conversational bargain. In the same way that Dyson’s personal attacks are not acceptable, your being dismissive of him, or anyone e lse who challenges you, by calling them names, asserting that they wouldn’t understand, etc., isn’t productive or respectful either.
I learned, over a number of years by being attacked personally on hundreds of pages online, that one has to stay focused on presenting their evidence and arguments as best and as credibly as possible. In a sense it’s very easy with the Meier material because of its accurate, testable content, evidence, information, etc. Obviously this isn’t the case with many other things. You do have to “put up” here for the sake of your own credibility and out of respect for the truth and the processes by which we attain and recognize it.
I suggest that instead of talking down to anyone, telling them that they won’t understand it because of this or that, that you instead lay it outโฆeven if the language that is required may be over some people’s heads. It won’t be over everyone’s. You and Dyson (among others) have sufficient mental horsepower to deal with it, as do probably most of the people who are interested in this topic.
Yes, I agree, but the disrespect must stop.
Thanks, Michael,
I’ve been unctuously, humbly and diplomatically (going right against the core renewed teachings) asking Tony to either, “put up or shut up” since late 2013, and he’s demonstrably done neither.
Why
are
we
waiting?
And why is this (below) waiting? Is Billy too harsh, insufficiently humble, undiplomatic? Many hours and several subsequent posts have been made public and this one from Billy is now way out of chronological order and context. Forgive me if there’s some arcane technical reason?
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Dyson Devine says:
Your comment is awaiting moderation.
January 31, 2014 at 11:10 am
P.S. You wrote, โAstrology is a true science on Earth. Iโm here to say that it is, and in time, will prove that to any open-minded person. I donโt care what anyone says or thinks about that statement who disagrees.โ
Just this bit about proving things to us.
I know you donโt care what Billy says about this, but you also say you donโt disagree with him, so I thought Iโd remind anyone here on this official Meier-related site, what Billy says about people like you who announce that they will now prove something.
Stimme der Wassermannzeit, Nr. 142, Mรคrz 2007 (on hold)
Michael, you write, โI try to choose my opponents and my battles carefully.โ
Those of us who respond in defence to attacks on the truth, especially against Billy, donโt have the luxury of choice you enjoy, and, in my case, being the only one here (as far as I know) who is adequately familiar with the material (no, you canโt be if you can only read 5% of it โ sorry – harsh truth) Iโve discovered that the troublemakers/knowitalls Billy goes on about and Ptaah identified as a forum problem, will take any untruth they can and run down the field to their goalposts as fast as they can and nobody seems to stop them if I donโt make the effort.
Michael, you write, โI try not to savage people in the pursuit of the truth.โ
Well of course. Me too. And if you DO read all my posts, youโll see that I tried to pursue the truth (while trying to ignore the man you say, โIโm happy to call him my astrologerโ about) as separately as I could from him, hoping that he wouldnโt go off his medication and his delusions of grandeur would stay in check, but they didnโt, and the โnever hesitate to believeโ business introduced in late 2013 seems to have tipped your obviously labile friend over the edge to the point of serious mental disorder, a topic no less inappropriate and no less self-harming than public predictions (and recently expressed desires for) various peopleโs deaths. You donโt seem to understand how serious and self-harming youโve let this become, Michael.
โI try not to savage people in the pursuit of the truthโ, you say, but what happens when your personal pursuit of the truth, and those of you fellow students, is continually, ceaselessly and ruthlessly thwarted? Not ALL truth, of course, but Billyโs most fundamental ones about knowledge v. belief, the nature and need for criticism, disputation, straight-talk? I donโt know about you, but when my access to this is flatly DENIED, I instinctively and gradually increase my efforts to break through the wall thatโs being erected between us sincere students and Billyโs truth. Iโm obligated. As you know, youโve exercised your right to ban my comments here which I spent a lot of time composing in keeping with Billyโs teaching that chronic problems must be deliberately brought to an acute stage in order for other people, also subject to that problem but unable to notice the slowly intensifying (โboiled frogโ) nature of it, to finally see it, and turn towards a just and speedy resolution of it. I know that this is not the first time Iโve tried to draw your attention to Billyโs advice, but you banning my effort to lance the boil have left us all with your โFrankensteinโ situation you identified to me. To make it worse, while the real truth is concealed behind Tonyโs ever-growing brick wall, he conjures up his own fake versions of the truth, explaining to everyone here – who seem to be unwilling to wade in against the skunk-spray of defensive verbiage, and effectively challenge Tonyโs ravings – that I may be able to translate but I donโt understand, Iโm too stupid, Iโm not as familiar with Billyโs work as he is, bla, bla, bla and so on.
This brings me squarely to your third point.
โBecause I disagree with someone, and think Iโm right, doesnโt make my opponent some form of human scum.โ
Again. Of course not. I really DO see everybody as my siblings, believe it or not. And regardless of how Iโm attacked, I never say we canโt negotiate peacefully to logically get to the bottom of and justly resolve differences. How else can we? Tony calls repeatedly for โwarโ. Not me. Been there. Done that. No fun. But when one party refuses to either budge or talk? How then to proceed along the path to peace and siblinghood? (answer: Gewaltsame Gawaltlosigkeit)* And the things weโre discussing here are Billyโs most basic lessons โ already translated (if not read) for all of you โ not just what I โthinkโ. But if my dear brother or my dear sister ACTS like โsome form of human scumโ (being the waste material which rises to the top of the brew and is skimmed off and disposed of, as opposed to the dregs which settle and are decanted) then weโre taught we have an obligation to try to assist. And when that bellicose behaviour (publicly calling for war and wishing death on others) gets out of hand, then appropriate measures must be undertaken to defend against the bad behaviour for the sake of those seeking truth, not to mention seeking peace and harmony, freedom, love and spiritual poise. But you call on Tony (& and me) โto give Dyson a good old thrashingโ. What gives, Michael. Iโm actually very concerned about you now, for your own sake as well as for our collaborative mission. What are you trying to do? Please post my translation from Billy about this. I canโt help it if he was rude. I only translate. I was polite.
Iโve got a lot on my plate with your astrologer friend, and you just published three more blogs in the last few days, denouncing Billyโs take on astrology, us Disclosure Project insider military whistleblowers, and the OTHER ET contact initiative. (And last night I found out that the litigious sect is taking us back to court in three weeks for more money which we donโt have.) So I donโt choose my battles. I get them home delivered whether I want then or not.
And I think your choice of battles and your positions within them are misguided.
Salome
* Gewaltsame Gewaltlosigkeit is the way of passive, logical Gewalt*, because gewaltsame Gewaltlosigkeit means in other words active Gewaltlosigkeit, in which Gewaltlosigkeit is practiced and implemented gewaltsam or actively. In gewaltsame Gewaltlosigkeit as active Gewaltlosigkeit, Gewaltlosigkeit is practiced and implemented gewaltsam or actively. However, gewaltsame Gewaltlosigkeit also means passive resistance, where passiveness in this sense means a power or a might or simply passive Gewalt, because power, might and Gewalt represent a form of Gewaltsamkeit even in a gewalt-less, passive form as resistance, which is however done in a gewaltsame Gewaltlosigkeit. At the same time, however, this gewalt-less or passive Gewaltsamkeit must not be understood in the sense of the usual understanding that human beings of Earth have of negative Gewalt, but rather only in the sense of a positive, peace bringing, harmonising, balancing, buoyant and regulation establishing effort in the form of a power, might and influence, etc. offering passive resistance in a logical way. https://figu.org/dict/node/5283
* Gewalt: [gษโvalt] There is no English word that conveys the true meaning
of the German word โGewaltโ. Gewalt is the brutal execution of elemental
might and force, but it is far above all might and all force. Gewalt exists in
different and relative forms, one example being a โgewalttรคtige Gesinnungโ
โ expression from the character, personality, thoughts, feelings and emotions
that shows the inclination to act with Gewalt. When human beings possess or
carry out acts of Gewalt and it is not based in logic, then this usually involves violence, brutality, degradation and is terribly destructive.
First, I didn’t find this quote that you’ve attributed to me, “Iโm happy to call him my astrologer.” Please point it out.
You’re referring to โto give Dyson a good old thrashingโ was – and please get this through your head – a bit of HUMOR/HUMOUR – intended to let YOU take YOURSELF to task for your truly irresponsible, cavalier insertion of dangerously, TRULY DANGEROUSLY erroneous information pertaining to Meier himself. It WASN’T an invitation to Tony or anyone else. It was solely directed to you in the hope that you’d slow down your self-righteous, self-proclaimed role as the SOLE purveyor of truth, as the “enforcer” who sees fit to pummel others with Meier’s quotes because YOU seem to think they are strictly and solely applicableโฆto THEM.
Of course it’s also escaped your notice that maybe there really isn’t any universal catastrophe about to occur because I’ve provided a forum in which there is palpable discomfort for a number of people, who I am trying to allow to sort things out in a perhaps slightly more patient way than the fanatically urgent destruction demolition derby that you would make of.
Apparently you didn’t see, or ignored, my recent direct request of Tony, as you’ve also not seen or ignored my pointing out that the profiteering film-flam man who DOES rake in and solicit for VAST sums based on ENTIRELY BOGUS claims is somehow immune from the kind of outrage that he not only deserves but that you show yourself quite capable of administering whenever you get the righteousness bug in your underwear.
The comments of yours that I didn’t post contained absolutely unnecessary, and often despicable language directed at one of your fellow humans, someone that you have singularly judged to be an absolute enemy of the truthโฆinstead of someone that you mightily disagrees with and who has perhaps remained unreceptive to your, my and others’ requests to substantiate their claims, etc. And of course could be very wrong, partially wrong, etc., which he has the ability and responsibility to clarify for all of us.
Could it just POSSIBLY be, in this little universe of cause and effective, that your current troubles with this “litigious sect” are in some, oh, very…remote way connected “energetically” to your own imbalanced crusader-like behavior?
It looks like the Gewalt that you’re clobbering Tony over the head with is indeed the kind of attack that may well have precipitated the attacks on you.
Now, to be clear, I have stated that since Tony is the one who’s made these claims, and has obviously been stonewalling in supporting them to anyone’s satisfaction, it’s more than timely that he does.
However, I don’t think that any lightening bolts will shoot down from the heavens above if he doesn’t – nor because I’ve had the bad taste to not conduct this blog the way you see fit. If Tony can’t substantiate what he’s claimed then so it is and so it shall be seen and perceived. Tony will have the “lesson” and hopefully process and learn from it.
I don’t know how this will resolve, only that the universe and all life in it will not end because of it. Nor will the spiritual teaching be harmed or destroyed.
BTW, it seems to me that you express yourself very consistently with the behaviors attributed to your birth numberโฆas contained in the FIGU numerology for birthdays. Feel free to let everyone know about that system too.
Very well said Michael, but I would like to clarify one point. Actually, I’m not stonewalling, I have been thinking of what is the best way to substantiate my claims, other than doing readings for blog participants, and allowing my 2014 predictions to be proven true. Whatever happens, please leave those predictions up. Thank you.
Not to make a false excuse, but I am also a very busy man, with my clients and students, and so, finding the time to possibly write a long piece full of Astronomical and Astrological explanations and facts, has been difficult. In due time, I will post what I consider to be a clear and plain explanation of the true Astrology. But even after that, my readings and predictions would substantiate my claims the most. That has always been the case with Astrology.
Oh by the way, my attackers and detractors do not frighten me, worry me, discourage me, or hurt me in any way whatsoever. They actually only hurt themselves energetically and by shining the light of truth on themselves. As I said, any person who has not done an in depth investigation, and a serious study of Astrology, does not have a right to an opinion of it. They would literally not know what on Earth they’re talking about.
Also, no one is going to chase me away from this blog with anything they say, or with any amount of verbosity. That will be solely your judgment.
Thank you.
Adversaries, infiltration, enemies of the truth, conspiracies, etc. PLEASE, is everything in your life so supersaturated with this turmoil? You come off like aโฆmissionary. Has anyone ever told you that before?
Maybe instead of feeling you need to protect the truthโฆtrust the truth to prevail. I don’t know if I’m alone in this but since I found the Meier material y interest in, my need to delve into all the so-called cover-ups, free energy conspiracies, etc., is indeed below nothing. And when it suits you, Meier’s correct. When it doesn’t, i.e. the HERE AND NOW readily available geothermal energy (which some places like Iceland have already developed) Meier is either not informed or – OF COURSE – deliberately obfuscating the truth about free energy (nudge, nudge, wink, wink).
You complain about the length of a blog – to which you largely contributed in the process of your ad hominem attacks on Tony. Really, a discussion on the merits of astrology is such a threat that the proponent of it, right or wrong, is attacked in the same way that you reviled the revile worthy pedophiles?
Nope, I don’t buy it. And I don’t buy that you have had your final say on Greer, since his current, greedy excesses certainly greatly exceed anything from the time that you had your say about it. Here he is, vacuuming out the pockets of the gullible and absolutely stomping and trashing the truth. He indeed does have public presence, etc., etc. Have you taken the time recently to treat him to one of your diatribes?
You’re welome to post here and of course you can start your own blog too, one that you feel is more well set up to handle voluminous traffic.
Thanks, as ever MH.
My info about the DP in on the DP page.
Shame Billy couldn’t have his say here, and you edited out his own words, which need presenting directly at this point. Too long? Too Harsh?
The quote, “I’m happy to call him [Tony} my astrologist” is in our personal correspondence, which I’ll keep that way unless you want it shared here.
I’d say you most certainly DO have a horse in the astrology race. You being Billy’s official rep, in my view, means that – regardless of your personal views to the contrary, you have a responsibility not give the impression that Billy DOESN’T condemn it as impossible, especially by creating a page for an astrologer. Especially one with a 4% accuracy rate.
Still puzzled – but – hey – that’s Creation for ya!
Thanks for your straight-from-the-shoulder views, as ever, Michael.
Always welcome and always helpful.
๐
Cheers!
I find that Tony is actually ridiculing what is already been established as “Truth” But , like Tony , I find his arrogance in the matter at hand , of a close minded nature .The same way that , A Bible has truth in it but is made from false information. I believe Tony is a remarkable man in what he has strived for for so many years , and the extent of information he has about the subject could possibly overwhelm anyone who hasnt studied the information he has ! I have total respect for that .his whole life ..as it seems is/ or has been dedicated to his craft .That is a HUGE undertaking!! I also have total respect for Priests and theologians in regards to religion too !!The extent of information and studying for years of Christianity But that doest make :Jesus” a real person , or ALL of the bible solid and concrete truth!! And THAT is why we just have to let people go on thier OWN path of evolution . They will get it in the process of evolution eventually anyway whether in this lifetime or the next billion.Its a rather unfortunate thing that “JUST IS” a fact harsh as it may seem.Its how we deal with it that matters . In a loving way. Tony ! I’ll take you out for a beer mate any day ! You too Dyson , Michael, And anyone else that wants a great conversation without the “war” Gewalt in “any of its forms. We Are ALL best friends here , regardless of differences
Salome Wayne Sunter-Smith
Tony
I am to say disappointed in your general assumption that some of us are not open minded. You have made statements and claims with regards to Astrology which you have not substantiated. You have the audacity for example to use the Meir material to support this pseudoscience and that is so wrong on many levels, the prime example is your selection of it. Then the hypocrisy the material you cut, copy and pasted in vast quantities to be presented in defence of the โgreat science of the stars โwas translated or mostly translated by the man you call an idiot, you have even put links in your attempt to justify this โGreat Scienceโ to an idiots now defunct website.(iโm still trying to understand that one)
In another link of yours to support your evidence of the Great Science this demonstrates that Billy has done some complex Astrological calculation therefore indicating to you and everyone, he knows a fair bit on the subject and he sayโs star readers are charlatans and deceivers and your quoting him.
People on here have made reference to you from Guido Moosbruggerโs book โAnd Yet they Flyโ a school teacher, a core member of FIGU a companion of Billyโs and heโs wrong and the Plejaran are Wrong and your right but not one single iota of evidence do you offer not one! Apart from Michaels story and that is the validity of the โGreat Science of the Starsโ.
From a man who claims โheโs never negativeโ youโre using words such as โDoubters, Haterโs often and claim you are aware of Meir material even mentioning the spiritual teaching which at this time Iโm not going to pursue with you, Billy has given advise on vexations to the spirit like he gave advice on Star readers which i chose to ignore.
The Great Science of the Stars has you has a scientist and your asking Michael on what to do and if Michael did know Astrology yours is unique to Earth!
My education was at university Animal pathology, Anatomy and physiology, my Son a pharmacist at a busy Hospital, my 35 year old step daughter works in Buddhist centreโs throughout Europe and Currently in Norway has a fascination for the esoteric topics and a knowledge of Astrology and has done Charts for all of the family,my younger brother studies spiritualism and regularly attends church, combined our friends and acquaintances and the only reason i mention this is so you can imagine some of the conversations we have, cover a wide scope of topics and interest s. When these conversations โkick offโ especially at family gatherings the standard joke is someone to say โshow me the evidence โespecially from my Son.
You get 100 people to toss 100 coins simultaneously you may get 70 heads and 30 tails or 1 or 99
I have a broken watch which is right twice a day or absolutely correct to the nano second 9.6% of the day.
An astrological reading could be 100% for one person and 2% for another but we will never know because thereโs no standard of measurement in the Great science of the Stars.
There are plenty of tests that could be done to help prove the validity but you have offered none, my step daughter would have enjoyed the opportunity that Michael has given you.
Guido states in his book โAnd yet they Flyโ there are genuine Astrologers out there so there is some hope of Astrology becoming an accredited science it may be that it requires an amalgamation of sociology and psychology i donโt know but we certainly know that Astrology is a Science in the future.
From the Basic Rules of Man โEach human being must shape his life by creating events, so as to find in it love, happiness, joy, peace, harmony, balance and freedomโ.
Regards
Dave
In response to Dyson’s last post.
Why is it a shame that “Billy couldn’t have his say here”? Aren’t we capable of thinking, discussing and working things out ourselves? I doubt that if Billy was interacting here that he would be bringing down all of the vile calumny that you seemingly can’t resist doing.
You’re free to post that line but I should add that my cousin Adam, my friends Annie, Michael, Wynn, Gillian, and a few others have all “been my astrologists”, meaning that they’ve all given me their version of what the stars say throughout the years, personally, globally, etc. I’ve enjoyed it, found accuracies, inaccuracies, wild misses, amazing hits, etc. So? I told you I’m fascinated by systems.
Now, should you, I or anyone else be shaking in our boots?
You see, I’m resourceful. I use any and everything I canโฆcreatively. Having been a lone wolf essentially for a very long time, I create all sorts of nifty internal dialogues and mind games playing with systems but I make my own decisions, take my own chances.
What exactly are you really afraid of? That people aren’t going to get all hysterical and inflamed and fail to recognize the imminent danger to the TRUTH because my blog has been “infiltrated by our adversaries”, obviously by a deliberately “calculating”, cunning agent provocateur, promoting “chaos, distortions, distractions and disruptions” “that results in the fraud squad comes to your door due to all the publicity youโre giving him” and who I “seem happy to allow to do their damndest to squelch Billyโs (and the DPโs and the Reticulansโ) precious information”.
D, I think you thrive on promoting paranoid dramas with a fanatical, missionary like zeal, which, so far hasn’t exactly promoted peace, love, harmony and freedomโฆor the truth. Maybe it’s the counterbalancing, necessary negativity to your translating work but why not find another irritant for cultivating your pearls that doesn’t invovle your irresponsible, take no prisoners, trashing and thrashing of people because they won’t say “how high” when you say “jump”?.
Being confrontational is relatively new in my life, it’s really only in the past 20 years that I developed that part of myself. I don’t love having adversarial relationships but I don’t shy from them. However, I try not to instigate them nor take such things personally. So I don’t tend to excoriate, villify and skewer people just because I’ve decided that I am the sole guardian of the truth and that I am FULLY qualified to identify and prosecute the perceived offenders.
And while you say “A fool and his/her money have always been quickly parted. They get the experience they deserve.” for some reason you’re all over Tony IN ANTICIPATION of his taking advantage of people, for which we have no evidence. Just your presumption of guiltโฆand your glee at being the self-appointed judge, jury and executioner. All while spouting the spiritual teaching to justify it. Honestly, it gets nauseatingly shameful.
So could it be that if my blog has, in your super conspiratorial, paranoid opinion, been “surrounded, boarded, hijacked, and is now obviously foundering” that it just may be in large part due to the take no prisoners assaults that you delight in launching at any and everyone who dares to not conform to your ideas of just how things should be?
I’m sure that if I “were to get rid of just two serious adversaries things would be easier for everyone.” How short sighted of me to not purge my blog of those that you find to be troublesomeโฆlet alone agents of some diabolical plot. I don’t have to agree with everyone or everything on this blog. It’s a process and I for one wil learn from it.
As far as my beng over my head, maybe. As far as pulling the page that you object to, your determination that those who won’t roll over for your bullying are trolls who will “trash the place entirely”, my suggestion is to REALLY deal with that nasty case of paranoia and intellectual superiority that unleashes itself and is, in my opinion, infinitely more destructive not only to peace, love, freedom and harmony but to the truth itself.
P.S. Maybe every time you’re tempted to give us a lesson here you use it instead to find equally creative ways to apologize for casually painting the prophet as a mass murdererโฆand to focus on the particular topic of the blog you’re in, which in this case is about the cynical trampling of the truth by the grinning, lying profiteer, Stephen Greer.
Again, very well said, and I concur entirely.
Okay and I also much point out that this blog was set up in order to help resolve the issue and specifically for you to provide the information that substantiates your own claims. You did agree to it so now I think it’s time that you make responding, specifically, a priority. We don’t want to have one those “Hey, you two guys (Dyson and me) should really fight!” scenarios.
I would suggest that you take one significant core aspect or element that is part of the foundation upon which you do your work and make your claims, and explain it. Or, if that isn’t appropriateโฆstart somewhere. Otherwise you run the risk of course of having the audience leave the theater and give you very bad reviews.
Hi Michael,
Let’s take a close look at the predictions I made for 2012 that have been mentioned on this blog in relation to that incorrect nonsense “4%” accuracy rate.
First of all, these predictions were only a few of the ones I made for that year, most of which did come true. Second, I sent them to you in a private email, after putting them together rather quickly, and I did not ask you to post them publicly, which you didn’t do. Third, I’m sure some individuals, even after my explanations below, will still have a skeptical disagreeable attitude towards them. That’s their loss not mine. And we will see how well I do in my 2104 prediction posted on this blog.
As reported in: http://pseudoastro.wordpress.com/tag/tony-vasquez/
“Michael Horn, the Official North American Media Representative of alleged UFO-contactee Billy Meier, has attempted to send me various tasks and things to do, apparently failing to realize that I donโt work for him. Iโve pretty much ignored them as is my prerogative and for reasons Iโve explained in detail before.
…
Hi there Stuart,
As you may imagine I receive some interesting information from various people, among them a couple of astrologers who seem to have been pretty accurate.
…
“P.S. When I have the time, I will post some interesting information pertaining to an email that I sent Stuart a while ago. In it I put information from a couple of astrologers who had gone on record with a number of specific things, and times they thought they would occur. It appears that they wereโฆright. I notice that Stuart hadnโt put up a blog attacking these โsillyโ people, or whatever. Nor has he mentioned having checked them out and been confronted with their documented accuracy.”
…
I will not fill this blog with a huge amount of text, but instead just give one link that will support my position related to each prediction, even though I could post many links that do.
Now to the actual predictions.
1. โThe U.S. presidential election turns out to be the dirtiest and most scandalous election ever. – CORRECT
โhttp://pjmedia.com/tatler/2012/10/02/a-guide-to-the-obama-administrations-five-major-scandals-for-mainstream-media-dummies/
2. โObama wins by a landslide.โ – CORRECT
http://www.policymic.com/articles/18395/presidential-election-2012-coverage-live-obama-wins-in-electoral-landslide-commentary-analysis-and-updates
3. โI still see some kind of major controversy/scandal about Romney and it will completely jeopardize his chances at the presidency.โ – CORRECT
http://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/susan-milligan/2012/09/21/real-scandal-behind-romney-47-percent-video-is-campaign-finance-law
4. โI refer back to my previous predictions, and during this yearโs astrological work, I continue to have no doubt that major chaos and destruction come from Iran, and to Iran.โ – PARTIALLY CORRECT
http://mrmaranatha.hubpages.com/hub/Iran-2012
5. โI also believe that either Iran or Israel will be hit in a major way, possible hit by each other. This may not occur until late 2012, but July also looks like a possible time.โ – INCORRECT – =But I still see this happening soon. (Timing events using Predictive Astrology is the most difficult part.)
6. โI believe Iran will also endure an attack from the U.S.โ – CORRECT – Even though the attack was a cyber one.
7. โAlso, as much as they are going to try and tell us Iran does not have a nuke or that they took out their nuke it will not be true.โ – CORRECT
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/oct/27/iran-already-has-nuclear-weapons/?page=all
8. โI see lots of major issues in the way of electrical power blackouts in 2012. There will be so many issues with power world wide, with huge black outs that last months even years. More black outs and rolling black outs then ever. Some very odd and completely un-explained by scientists.โ PARTIALLY CORRECT
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_India_blackouts
9. โI still see major issues with the severe heat in many places. Temps could reach 130, even 140, this will also have a major effect on the power plants. July and August will be some of the worst times for this. The blame will partially be on sun solar storms that produces record breaking heat.โ PARTIALLY CORRECT – Record breaking heat did occur, but the highest was 125.
10. โI do see 8+ earthquakes/tsunamis(3) hitting Japan and one 8+ hitting India โ huge disasters with cities leveled.โ INCORRECT – But I still see these events happening, and very soon – again, the timing is the most difficult part.
11. โMajor โEventsโ in July and August will set off a chain reaction that will run right through 2014.โ – CORRECT – I could have been more specific, but this was a private email to you Michael, and I thought you would understand what I meant.
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304475004579276751433735152
12. โI also see the Pope dying this year โ the last pope then elected. Sept.-Nov. period for this.โ – INCORRECT – The Pope did not die, but a new Pope was elected in March, 2013, which was very close to my prediction that a new Pope would surface.
13. โJuly will be a very busy month for the world and a time when the planetโs energy shift goes into overdrive, which in turn will also launch a major volcanic eruption, one of the largest we have ever seen, as well as major quakes around the world. โฆ Iโm pretty sure there will be a major volcanic eruption โ one of the largest ever โ in July-August.โ CORRECT
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Kermadec_Islands_eruption
So in my opinion Michael, that’s 7 correct, 3 partially correct, and 3 incorrect.
Thank you.
“And we will see how well I do in my 2104 prediction posted on this blog.” Of course, I meant 2014 predictions. And as I have mentioned, I am writing a piece with a very good explanation of the correct Astrology that I have developed, which will be posted within days.
Let’s see how the discussion goes with that.
Also, while we’re all fascinated with predictions, prophecies, etc., let’s remember that Meier had said that astrological influences could be informative regarding one’s character (or something like that, which people can look up and feel free to correct). So, since the Ps must use a very advanced form of astrology for purposes other than predicting events (since they also have time travel, etc.) and since you, Tony, claim to have the correct form of astrology, please present information/explanations pertaining to it that go into such information.
Yes, as I said, I’m working on that presently.
Note: Somehow these didn’t post above.
For #6 – http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/01/world/middleeast/obama-ordered-wave-of-cyberattacks-against-iran.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
For #9 – http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/09/us/extreme-heat/
Hi Michael,
Below is part of my explanation of the correct Astrology. I will begin by explaining why the incorrect forms of Astrology are incorrect. I will use plain English that any layman can understand.
There are four incorrect, but popular, forms of Astrology in the world today. I will mention them below, and give the main reason(s) they are incorrect, and therefore, cannot produce correct astrological work.
1. Tropical Astrology – It is used mainly in Europe, USA, and other English-speaking countries. It does not consider important, or use the constellations of stars, Aries-Pisces, in the drawing up of charts. This error came about in Europe, approximately in 500 AD, when astronomy and astrology were separated by the Catholic Church. “Aries-Pisces” only refer to areas of space to Tropical Astrologers, and does not refer to the stars positions at all.
2. Sidereal Astrology – Does include the constellations Aries-Pisces, but says that they are all of 30 degrees in length, which is incorrect. This produces incorrect Solar, Lunar, and planetary positions in the charts.
3. Vedic Astrology – Does not use the planets Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto, because of tradition, and also says that the constellations are each 30 degrees in length, therefore, Vedic charts are incorrect in two major ways.
4. Chinese Astrology – Does not use the constellations Aries-Pisces, nor the planets, Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto, again because of a false tradition. So, it’s incorrect in two major ways.
The correct form of Astrology uses the constellations Aries-Pisces of the correct length – various lengths – and also uses the planets Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto in drawing up the charts.
There has been some discussion concerning what is the correct time of birth, on this blog. As I have stated, through many years of observational work, I have discovered that the exact time of birth is when the newborn takes its first breath, because that is when the process of reincarnation takes place, and the child is a whole being.
Birth times can be corrected, through techniques where Solar, Lunar, and planetary transits (present day movements) and their affects on the natives, are carefully observed and recorded. Though it must be stated, that a great amount of astrological information can be gained with an approximate time of birth.
I have also corrected the meanings (interpretations) of the constellations, houses (divisions of the chart), and Solar, Lunar, and planetary positions, but that would take a book to explain correctly.
Thank you.
Meier and the Plejaren would disagree, saying that the second when the crown emerges is the actual moment of birth. Beyond that I am not knowledgeable. So thanks for this first step and we’ll see what comments follow.
Also, I think it’s important to explain exactly what this astrology is specifically used/useful for, etc. Since the Meier material warns against “fortune telling”, etc., but of course talks about character development, etc., it will be helpful if you will clarify.
Dear Tony,
I have a sincere question which I put to you in a respectful spirit of brotherhood.
I’m aware that the exact time of birth is very significant in order for a correct reading to be made, and there’s some controversy as to when that should be calculated – the crowning, etc.
So – let’s say that we all can agree that the time of birth is, say, 0018:29:36.
Where do time zones enter these calculations?
As we all know they’re artificial constructs (as opposed to cosmic/astronomical ones). I’m not sure if it’s still the case, but the USSR, with it’s 11(?) time zones used to just have one, like “Moscow Time” which applied to the whole country, so people has bizarre situations like the sun setting at 6am.
So is the exact location (that is to say, the exact longitude) taken into consideration? That is – the exact distance from the Greenwich Meridian, etc.?
Thanks.
And there’s also some similarly polite and deferential questions waiting for you over at the Puffer Fish thread, where you used the word “absurd” in reply to one of Professor Deardorff’s comments. Would you please be so kind as to address that matter too?
Thanks again in anticipation, Tony.
Cheers!
As far as the birth time issue, I would like to discuss that with Plejaren astrologers, who have actually worked in the field.
As far as the uses of Astrology, I’ll re-post the following. It should serve as a good introduction.
The various Branches of Astrology:
Natal Astrology-
This is the best-known area of astrology, it deals with casting the horoscope for the person in question (referred to as: native), based on his date, place and time of birth. The chart casted is used to study the personal characteristics, strengths, weaknesses and talents of the native. The primary use of Natal Astrology is to show the various facets of a personโs nature, who they are, and how they are likely to react to certain situations. In this way, it is used as a tool for understanding oneโs innate self and for self-development.
Predictive Astrology-
This area concentrates on indicating the trends and developments in the future, but can also be used to study the past. The techniques used here vary from studying the Transits (todays movements of the heavenly bodies) to Planetary returns and Progressions (which deal more with developments over a longer span of time). All these techniques based on the movement of stars, the Sun, Moon, and planets at a given point in time (in the past, present or future) are applied against the backdrop of the natal chart, when predicting for individuals. Some predictive techniques are planetary returns and solar arcs.
Relational Astrology-
This branch of Astrology is used to understand how any two natives relate to each other, or, in other words, how compatible they are. There are various techniques used to find this out such as Synastry: comparison of two natal charts, or Composite: a โnatalโ chart of the relationship itself, which looks at the relationship as a separate entity. In both types, accentuation of the signs, and the houses, the heavenly bodies fall into, as well as the aspects between them, will reflect the compatibility and harmony between the two natives in question and their relationship with each other.
Horary Astrology-
With this area of astrology the question takes center stage rather than the person asking it (called the querent). One of the most popular branches of Astrology. The chart is created for the moment, where the moment corresponds with the time the querent came up with the question. It is erected in the same manner as a birth chart, but leaves all birth details of the querent out of study.
Medical Astrology-
This branch of Astrology uses the natal chart to study the basic physical and psychological constitution and health of the native. The heavenly bodies placements in signs and houses as well as the aspects they make with each other are indicative of certain physical and psychological strengths and weaknesses. Different signs of the zodiac are assigned different parts of the body, physiological processes, ailments and healing methods. Use of current transits in relation to the natal chart are reflective of certain indications of proneness to injuries, health problems and development of the nativeโs health in general.
Karmic Astrology-
The study of this branch of Astrology rests on re-incarnation and the evolution of the spirit. Karmic Astrology sheds light on the connection between the nativeโs past life/lives and his present one, revealing the values and unfinshed tasks (karma) the native has brought into this life.
Mundane Astrology-
The word โmundaneโ comes from the Latin word mundus: โthe worldโ. It is used to study the affairs surrounding a nation such as its past, present or future. It can tell us how a nation stands in relation to the worldly events developing around it, and about the affairs of the world in general.
Relocational Astrology-
Such as Astro*carto*graphy, is location-based astrology, which uses the astrological method of relocating the chart for where the person lives at that time. It involves recalculating the chart using the new location, where the new chart shows what the nativeโs life would be in the new location. It is mostly used as a technique for individuals who want to move to a different place/country other than their birthplace and need to know how they would relate to that particular place as well as what events would take place there.
Thanks. I can imagine that one area of disagreement will be i terms of what you call Karmic Astrology, as the spiritual teaching clearly states that there is no karma.
By Karma, I mean The Law Of Cause and Effect.
Yes but the description of it contradicts that and contradicts the spiritual teaching. You’re free of course to explain, etc.
That would entail my explanation, my view, my understanding, of reincarnation. Due to time constraints, that will have to wait until another time.
Thanks again Tony,
In reply to Michael pointing out your differing (from the Plejaren) views as to the nature of “karma”, just a week ago, you explained, “That would entail my explanation, my view, my understanding, of reincarnation. Due to time constraints, that will have to wait until another time.”
Can you predict when that other time may arrive please?
Maybe a ballpark figure?
I’d look forward to finding out about your understanding of reincarnation as opposed to the Plejaren one as described in enormous detail in
https://figu.org/shop/b%C3%BCcher/leben-und-tod?language=en (217 pages)
and particularly
https://figu.org/shop/b%C3%BCcher/wiedergeburt-leben-sterben-tod-und-trauer?language=en (384 pages)
I think it’s only logical that if your detailed description/understanding is different from the Plejaren one, then something’s not right because the two versions should agree.
Hope this finds you well.
And thanks in anticipation.
Cheers!
Hello Tony, sorry to butt in here, but I was wondering if this is you?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2082054/Mexicos-Grand-Warlock-Antonio-Vazquez-says-Mayans-predicted-2012-apocalypse.html
Thanks.
No.