While I was in the midst of my correspondence with Ms. Kravetz at ASU, I contacted the astronomy club there:
Hi Astrodevils,
My name is Michael Horn and I invite you to see the trailer for my new film, And Did They Listen?, about the Billy Meier contacts in Switzerland, the only scientifically proven, still ongoing UFO contact case…now spanning 70 years.
I am hoping to be able to screen my film for your club…and answer any and all questions and challenges you may have. Released on January 21, the film has already been picked up for US TV this spring (along with two of my other films on the Meier case).
Please contact me at your earliest convenience and let’s discuss making this information available to your club.
Sincerely,
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The director of the club, TJ Slezak, was kind enough to respond:
Michael,
We are open to entertaining a screening of your film, however the club operates on a limited budget so we are unable to compensate financially for any service or premium charges that may be associated with your service. We would love to host you and your film, and are able to accommodate accordingly with the facilities available to us.
Thanks
-TJ
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…and I accepted his invitation:
TJ,
Thank you very much for your invitation. I am more than glad to present my film just for the love of doing so.
Please let me know some possible dates and times, number of members in the club, if you may be able to get some faculty to attend, etc. I’ll be coming down from Flagstaff.
And please see my new blog:
Surprise, Surprise! Billy Meier UFO Case on Hulu…Who Knew?
Again, thanks for your invitation nad your openness.
Best,
MH
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After not hearing back from him I ask for an update and he responded:
Michael,
I duly apologize for not getting back to you at a more immediate pace. As club president I initially jumped at your offer as I am well versed in the topic and the subject is something that has always held my interest.
After consulting with my fellow officers and keeping in mind our organization’s goals as well as the club’s representation of university and departmental vision, I must decline your offer. Unfortunately we are unable to accommodate the screening as it falls outside the scope of topics relevant to immediate club interests of astronomy.
If you plan to host a screening at another location within proximal distance, I would be happy to pass the opportunity onto our members to allow them to attend on their own behalf.
Thanks,
-TJ
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TJ,
Thanks for getting back to me. It’s kind of you to explain the situation.
It’s apparently the policy of the school to prevent such things from being made available to the student body, not just the astronomy department or clubs. You can read more here.
Quite honestly, you may be at a disadvantage because of the kind of effective censorship that appears to be school policy. My generation didn’t suffer from nearly so much of it, as I recall.
And as an astronomy student, I’m sure you are familiar with the classic story of how Galileo tried to get the Church to just…look through the telescope.
Your club members would have had a first hand opportunity together to rigorously consider if this man, his evidence and information are true and authentic. After all, this is either some colossal, impenetrable hoax…or the most important story in not only scientific but human history. I would think that if there wasn’t a prejudicial mindset, finding out the truth would trump every other consideration.
Of course you can see the film any time you want, though I’m not trying to sell it to you. It will also be on TV this spring.
As you’ll see, I blog about my experiences and I’ll probably include our exchanges in a blog and let them speak for themselves. Anyone who’s interested can of course also come to my by presentation in Tucson.
Thanks again,
MH
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I should also note that I had indeed also sent Mr. Slezak the following links pertaining to…astronomy:
NASA Corrects Apophis Information, Size Is almost exactly what Billy Meier Foretold
First the Russians, now the Chinese…When Will NASA Get It?
Scientific Experts’ Comments on Meier’s UFO Evidence
Suddenly Phil Plait Echoes Billy Meier
…and Meier’s information on Jupiter and on Mercury’s core.
NOTE: I left my misspellings intact, just for the sake of accuracy.
… Michael, why do you always throw coals in the fire 😉 hahahaha :)))
just joking… 😉
The “academic” world is not open for debate about the real stuff, all that interests them are the things that bring them money…. and the money bring the corporations or governments…. so if the data or information does not fit to the industries, they genrally don’t fit to the universities….
Unfortunately there does not exist a school or a “higher school” just for the sake of learning, education and becoming neutral positive….
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Education_-_or_what_is_it_and_why_is_it_only_associated_with_children%3F
… it’s a pity that our world lost it’s spirituality since a long time….. only the Mammon is important….
Truth be told: The spiritform of Nokodemion could not save every of his descendant civilisations…… some of them were destroyed, even of his appearance…. Earth humanity has to make the choice if it wants to be part of those who destroy themselves, or those who rise up against insanity… and strive for a brilliant future….
Salome
Ah Nicolas, I only do it because I thought the fire could produce some light…not just heat. How silly of me I know but the good news is that maybe, in a few hundred years, we’ll have learned how to think and live in our own self-generated light of the spirit and consciousness.
Hi Michael,
Specifically, which parts of the film, do you think they didn’t like?
The ASU club didn’t see it…so they would have neither liked nor disliked it. They apparently made their decision strictly on the basis of what can probably be encapsulated by political correctness…and a complete unwillingness to exercise independence of thought.
As for Ms. kravetz, I would say it’s the inescapable reality of the case and the disturbance to her personal belief system…with a dose of political correctness for good measure.
Michael, just an observation that might be helpful. I thought your email exchange with Ms Kravetz was a little harsh and could have been handled more delicately. I’m sure that this was part of the reason the Astronomy Dept. backed out of your showing, these departments are in constant communication and you closed the door to her with your email exchanges. You don’t have to post this email, just a friend suggesting you would get more results with a little more diplomacy and less defensiveness.
I know your passion and enthusiasm for your mission, but just a friendly observation from someone who is rooting for your success.
Hi Ron,
Always nice to hear from you. I don’t mind criticism but I think I have to disagree with you here.
How delicate should one be when a university representative tells you that because your film is “controversial” it is “not something that will be shown”? While ASU apparently endorses condom classes they apparently also want to stop the procreation of independent thinking.
I’m not at all sure that my exchange with Ms. Kravetz was a factor but if it was, it certainly doesn’t say much for the spine of the members of the astronomy club.
Also, diplomacy is the equivalent of lying and it’s gotten a hold because people just can’t stand telling (and hearing) the truth and bearing the consequences. So they indulge in diplomacy and other forms of politics, all of which are advantage oriented and, as already mentioned, lying. As I say in the blog:
“There are real, far more advanced, space traveling human beings who see things as they are, shun our institutionalized lying to self and others – including politics, religion and diplomacy – and out of respect for our free will and right to self-determination cannot directly interfere in our relentlessly insane, suicidal behavior.”
If late one night while out walking, I happen to notice that someone’s house is on fire and I contemplate banging on their door to awaken them…but I don’t because I don’t want to disturb them and have them be angry at me, I’ve put a superficial consideration ahead of a really more important one.
Our collective, communal house is on fire and I will bang on the door. If no one wants to answer it, if they’re angry about being disturbed from their slumber, at least I’ve done what my conscience has led me to do. I can’t guarantee, determine, or be responsible for how others will respond to my passion and enthusiasm. So success to me is first just expressing it as best I can.
Hi Michael,
Some people on this blog are missing a very important point. We are in an emergency situation worldwide. The Henoch Prophecies clearly point that out. Your burning house analogy, is the way I see it as well.
Quetzal
Before I give you a clear account of the prophecies of Henoch, I would like to point out that prophecies are always changeable and can be changed for the better if man makes positive changes in his thoughts, feelings and actions, leading to that which is better and positively progressive. Prophecies always rest upon specific causes; these again result in certain effects, whereby these effects can be changed at any time if only the preceding causes are changed in their form. Therefore, it is possible that negative or evil prophecies do not have to be fulfilled if the preceding causes will be purposely changed in a manner that positivity and good develop instead of negativity and evil.
However, this does not apply to predictions, as these rest upon events that cannot be changed, are inevitable and surely and definitely will occur in the future. Predictions rest upon a preview and thus on a direct viewing of the future, and have to do with neither prophecy nor with calculation of probability. So when I make a portion of Henoch’s prophecies for the third millennium known to you, it does not mean that they have to be fulfilled, because the prerequisite of fulfilment in each case would be that the already existing causes continue to exist as also continue to be created in the future so that a fulfilment of the prophecies can come to pass.
Thus, provided that human beings of Earth will become reasonable, the possibility exists that by a reasonable change in the way of thinking as well as a reasonable development in feeling and an equally reasonable way of acting, everything changes for the better and positive, whereby prophecies do not have to be fulfilled. However, if this transformation does not occur, a very evil, wicked and negative time lies ahead for the Earth and its entire population in the coming new millennium.
The house is definitely on fire. I suggest that you read the Predictions and Prophecies section on TheyFly.com – the Ps and Billy make it very clear that we are in dire straits.
Peace to everyone,
I am in agreement with Tony on this one. So far the two University correspondents have responded from a position of intellectual pusillanimity.
Salome
Yes, they may be intellectual cowards, but I think they are religiously and scientifically confined, like most people in the USA.
Ron, I agree with you. Michael, imo, is treating these academic professionals like UFO skeptics. Please, MH, consider if Ron has a point. These professors are not totally stupid. Actually, in a material sense, they are pretty bleeping smart. Let them have their phony sense of intelligence by ignoring the spiritual and leading a material based life. You reached out and they said no. That is their choice. Let them do what THEY WANT.
I mean for goodness sense, didn’t Jim Delitoso do the work at ASU? Plus Arizona based Lee and Brit Elders, and Tom Welch from AZ. ASU may feel they have had enough of the Billy Meier case over the years, and putting the Kibosh on it; not because they don’t think the world is breaking down and getting messier, they are trying their best in these departments no matter how lowly they are as Earth humans; they just don’t want to do it Billy Style.
I am exited about Hulu and TV. I would think getting the film into Walmart or another shopping chain should expose the film to interested minds. Maybe we should take up a donation to give the films away to selected universities for their libraries? The film will certainly land in the UFO, paranormal, strange universe section of the commingling student library. It will give dating nerds something to watch on Friday night; and don’t be surprised if we don’t pick up a few more black sheep for this blog, like ourselves, down the road.
Kind regards!
Please understand, no one’s treating them like skeptics. They just freaked for any number of reasons, like the ones they stated…”representation of university and departmental vision”, etc.
Skeptics are different. They try to prove that something can’t be true. The good folks at ASU, and in the club, didn’t go that route. It was just too hot to handle, too much of a risk that something like this, if true, could…well it just could cause a slight diversion from the course curriculum and that would be quite inconvenient. Remember, truly important, earth-shattering scientific breakthroughs only come through – you guessed it – peer review. Naughty, naughty.
So can you now begin to appreciate the nice little circular puzzle that’s been laid out for everyone to see, with the kind cooperation of Ms. Kravetz and Mr. Slezak, Profs. Davies and Boghossian and, of course, Mr. Sharpe…who we’ll be sharing more from very soon, just to add a little icing on the cake. And I’m sure you can also now appreciate that forbidden topics very much applies to…academia too, as one can easily see from the ending of that blog:
“So let’s not be afraid at all of, in fact let’s welcome, exercising our critical thinking at every opportunity. Question beliefs, authorities, experts, etc., and certainly let’s not quote them to justify wanting to shut down debate on things out of either fear or certainty.
The truth always wins out in the end.”
So please, gimme a little credit for painting a picture puzzle, with the help of a number of others (wittingly or otherwise) of course. I’m sorry to have to give now away the “secrets” but…hey, where was our conspiratorial friend, Dyson, to do it for me?
“So let’s not be afraid at all of, in fact let’s welcome, exercising our critical thinking at every opportunity. Question beliefs, authorities, experts, etc., and certainly let’s not quote them to justify wanting to shut down debate on things out of either fear or certainty.
The truth always wins out in the end.”
Michael that quote is for personal responsibility, “…let’s welcome, exercising our critical thinking at every opportunity.” LET US as individuals, not forced ideas onto disinterested minds. You are not seeing it for some reason, or I am wrong too. I just wanted to give you my perspective to see if it would help.
All the best!
Anthony, that also extends to anyone who’s a…student, a teacher or scientist with responsibility to not shut down inquiry. Please reread the invitation that was withdrawn. Even Ms. Kravetz invited me to send the film.
The school, the club, the professors, etc., all can do what they want; they have no obligation to me. And I’m free to point it out to them if they go belly up. I’m not a diplomat and I’m not competing in a popularity contest. I also happen to effectively be a one-man band who does it all basically on my own…and then post it for everyone to comment on. Nothing stops anyone from going about doing their own version.
Let’s also remember that I produce films and I promote them, again, largely by myself. They ultimately will seek their highest level and all those for whom they are intended will be reached. But it doesn’t happen just by sitting around, waiting, hoping…or pretending the Emperor or Empress have no garments. I don’t expect a lot of Galileo’s in academia, nor very many Church members who will look through the telescope.
But it doesn’t stop me from asking them to look through it.
You may be right!! My position would be to handle its differently, but then again, I guess that might be lying. Everyone isn’t convinced that the “house is on fire” as you are, therefore a little more gentle persuasion might further your cause. But whatever door you “bang on” to get your message out, the ultimate aim is to get the door to open to deliver your message. Diplomacy and courtesy is not “lying”, it is communication at a very high level. I believe perfect love is perfect communication and the spirit of accusation serves little purpose in that art. Anyway, this is not my bone to pick, just sticking my nose where it doesn’t belong.
Ron,
Please note that I didn’t approach Ms. Kravetz with an ounce of confrontational energy or intention. Here’s my original email to her:
Hi Beatriz,
As you can see below, Wendy Hultsman suggested that you may be able to assist me with my desire to have my film screened on campus.
Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Michael Horn
Here’s my first response to her “controversial” comment (I may have to go back and insert these):
Hi Beatriz,
I certainly understand, having reseearched this subject for…35 years. While mainstream television now is carrying all sorts of shows on “ancient aliens” and other sensationalized (and usually mythical) topics, I think you’ll find this to be quite different.
The people that I am working with here in the US include NASA personnel, scientists and military people.
Of course I’m glad to send you a review copy, please send me your best address.
Sincerely,
Michael Horn
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…so it’s my fault for leaving them out. I am going to go back and make sure I have all the correspondence in there, not that you’ve brought this to my attention. And the point is that she did receive and respond to my simply informative emails in a censorial manner. So there was no absence o “courtesy” on my part. Perhaps it even helps to show just how wrong, futile and spineless “diplomacy” would have been.
There’s nothing at all unloving about the truth, after all, aren’t we told that the truth – not diplomacy – will set us free?
And shouldn’t everyone – even college students – have an opportunity to find the truth for themselves?
Actually, TJ seemed very much interested but political pressures unfortunately won out, yet again. The brainwashing from eons of religio-political programming still runs deep. And they say religion and politics don’t mix.
Bruce,
I think it’s more like Religion and Politics walk along holding hands whether it’s by coincidence or design.
Saalome
The truth will set you free, but first it will make you miserable.
James A. Garfield
This sort of describes my view of Henoch’s prophecies . If they be true they certainly will make one miserable to entertain such calamities and destruction as they foretell, will they make me free, I think not, rather they will make me and the greater portion of mankind dead and the survivors wishing they were.
Jimmy appears to have gotten it right.
As for the Henoch Prophecies, they are still prophecies (probabilities), as opposed to predictions (absolute certainties)…unless we let them all get past the point of no return.
Ron, I added the other emails that I mentioned to the other blog, thanks for making me see the necessity of doing so.
That’s interesting. The truth has never made me miserable. What is a man without truth – a leaf blowing in the wind.
On this one I find myself standing right next to Michael and Tony, i.e., on their stance or position on the issue.
Peace to all!
…. lets be honest…. what is better, tell a “crack addict” that “your body is dying” even he does not want to acknowledge it, or saying “oh my buddy, you look sick”?… the latter is diplomacy and does not tell the things as they are….
Honey smearing is nice for those who do mistakes, but don’t want to change, but is bad for those who don’t know better, but who want to change…. That is why i made the first post…. Humanity of earth is not a choosen one, and is not more special than any other humanity in universe…. If we all want to survive, we have to get up our damn butts from laziness and work towards peace and harmony…. First it starts at home and in the vicinity of the surroundings and ends up engulfing the whole of humanity in a few centuries….. It is o.k to choose the own words in a good way so to not HURT someone else’s integrety, but it is false to turn around the pot…. “Diplomacy” as it is understood by us today, is used by politicians and those without real ethics and convictions to hide their true words and meanings…. real “Diplomacy” as understood by the Plejaren, is simply to never hurt others integrity by stamping down ones personality, but only by criticising the actions of one person! But never hurting one persons real value…. So one has to tell the harsh truth…. as Michael does, but one should always take care of not insulting or degrading an other persons being…. All the rest only leads to misunderstandings and therefore to unrest and unwillingness to acknowledge the things as they are….
… just sayin… Michael you do a great Job on your part, we have to do ours…
Salome
Very well said.
The sum of my message on this blog is everyone has their ideas of what truth is, those convicted of “their truth” are going to ardently defend, promulgate and promote what they believe. I’m always amused by the religious fundamentalist that present they’re version of “the truth” and are dismayed that I don’t believe as they do. When I ask them if they ever doubted their particular dogma, they reply: “yes, but I saw the light”. My reply to them is” why won’t you allow me the very same right to doubt that you once had, because the word believe presumes doubt, it must go before it. I find that the most resistance, anger and arguments come from those who “know” they are right and therefore everyone of a different opinion is wrong.
The only reason I find myself here is my love, admiration and respect for Michael. I’ve known him for nearly 25 years, and we became friends when we both lived in CA. I’m open, but also cautiously skeptic of this material, but Michael knows my heart as I know his and he can handle my challenges quite well.
Comparing knowing and understanding the Meier material, to believing religious fundamentalism, is a huge mistake. Examine the evidence carefully.
It’s so sad that they have taken independent thinking out of the schools and that they shame professors who try to get their students to do so and that he professes to know the case but is helpless to do anything. There will be those who will be in the “I told you so category” and those in the “I’m embarrassed and held back important information” category. As always Michael, just pick up those shoulders and soldier on……..
Thanks Cara, I certainly will.
And trust me, doing so is easier than tying to say “shoulders and soldiers” ten times quickly in a row.
Michael , great job btw … Funny the people in the LEARNING environment that watch the stars and such , see no interest in other humans coming from the STARS to visit earth and try and get us to LEARN something , the colledge folks would rather look with telescopes and debate theory instead of exploring real truth handed to them on a silver platter, so much for higher LEARNING … ears to hear but, they do not hear …
Man. So close but no cigar. I harassed em a little bit over on their webpage in the comments section of an unrelated article. I’ll keep an eye out for any feedback.
Let’s remember that they are entitled to do what they wish. If we want to question or challenge their actions on their turf, please, let’s not insult the people.
This was submitted to me by email from Paul Russell, who said he was having trouble posting it to the blog:
Survival in a world where thinking is banned … even consciousness itself manipulated and at some point, I suspect, extinguished.
“Will the last person to leave the room please turn out the lights?”
Your recent posts (ASU) made me stop & think. Dammit.
My survival tool will be a 70’s song by the Eagles called “Already Gone.” It sounds like freedom to me.
I despair that any future generation will be able to disrupt their programming. It will be hard and scary.
And there will be no need to seek freedom because the programming will have all that stuff built in.
Scary shit, man. And it’s happening.
Thanx for listening and thanx for the blog.
Paul in Fl
Hi Michael, This might be a little off topic, but I was talking to my 27 year old son last night about the letter Billy wrote in 1958. He saw the list of predicted information and was quick to point out how his predictions were so much more specific when compared to people like Edgar Cayce, Isaac Asimov, and Nostradamus, before he realized how many have been fulfilled. When I pointed out what was said to come in the Henoch prophecies, if we do not change things for the better, he was very perplexed by the possible civil war, being a soldier in the US Army, his time in the service ends in 3 months, he asked what might be known as far as when this civil war might begin. This was a perfect opportunity to play “And Did They Listen” for him. His eyes got big when he heard you talk about 2020 being near when this might fulfill, and he put this together with the prediction of the 9.0 Seaquake to occur off the coast of our home state of Washington as things to monitor to form a valid opinion about the truth in the Billy Meier case. I asked him what he thought about the already fulfilled predictions and prophecies that Billy put in his letter in 1958 and he said “we’ll see”, that’s when I asked him, “what is the good of waiting to see” when there is already more than enough corroboration of already fulfilled prophecies and predictions to establish a pattern? Is it that he wants to see the civil war or the Seaquake right here on our door step before he is willing to acknowledge that this man is 100% genuine in his efforts to wake us all up to the realities that we have done such a good job of ignoring? His response is so typical of people today, “well, what can I do about it, as I am just one man?”
My sons, all three of them, and my daughter have seen my passion for investigating this case, and my efforts to change the way I look at things, and the way I do things today versus when they were all little, and even though I won’t force them in any way to look into Billy’s story, I ask them to do so every time they ask me a question that has any relevance to the spirit teachings or the events of the day that seem to fall into the mix as well, and as you can tell by this little story, they still have not taken the “bull by the horns”, but I will continue to bite my tongue, until they ask me questions anyway.
Thanks for sharing your first hand experience that relates to what is going on with young peope today…and it isn’t limited solely to them.
That’s nice, Allen; please don’t forget the distinction between prediction (seaquake) and prophecy (civil war and/or economic collapse). I didn’t see the newest film, but I regard the civil war and the collapse as two separate things, but they might not be. In my opinion, the quake may still take a while.
Hi Michael,
Has there been any indication in the Meier material, as to when that US NW seaquake/tsunami will hit?
No, no specific fates were given…as is usually the case with mega-events.
The astrological forces will be lined up for mega-quakes for the next 5 years, so, it will probably happen between now and 2019.
Anything new regarding Nibiru Comet and it’s celestial effets to us here on Planet Terra? Other than Quetzel’s blurb, I’m curious if this has been expanded on.
Not that I am aware of.
Hi Tony, could you explain in detail these astrological forces and how they contribute to an Earthquake?
Darcy,
In detail, no, not to the non-astrologer. It’s very complicated, and I would have to use terms like squares, conjunctions, nodes, and oppositions.
Allen,
You wrote: His response is so typical of people today, “well, what can I do about it, as I am just one man?” In response I’d like to refer you to Australia’s FIGU-LANDESGRUPPE AUSTRALIA BULLETIN No. 6, DECEMBER 2013. Extract from the book «For the Contemplation» Page 312 by (BEAM): “It is the individual human being who can effect something, through which a better picture of the world arises for him/her and for the humanity. Already the smallest ideas, thoughts and feelings can get tremendous things rolling and bring forth changes for the better. A good impulse from one single person can effect a valuable change of consciousness for the good in many human beings. And that is not only possible in the area of the simple, educated human beings, rather also with the learned ones, with the poor and the rich as well as in society and in the families and circles of friends.” Thanks for your indulgence Michael Horn.
Salome to all.
The world will change, one individual at a time.
This probably doesn’t indicate we are making in course corrections as far as the future American civil wars go:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/02/19/confederate-flag-ga-cars/5602319/
(Georgia is issuing license plates featuring the confederate flag).
Where is that pretty little place you were at in Brazil again Michael???
Geez la weez.
License plates causing racial tension when the tension should be caused by the tracking devices installed within the license plate:
https://www.aclu.org/alpr
Congratulations my friend, and thank you for post all the e-mails between you and the ones that are afraid of the Truth.
Perhaps it is important for the mission, and the future to keep records for all these correspondences ?
Salome,
Ricardo
Thanks Ricardo. All of the blogs are backed up regularly. It may well interest future generations of students and readers to see just how compromised the integrity and thinking abilities of this generation, indeed this time, were.
After spending 2 months at a University Hospital with some of the greatest minds available…I can honestly tell you I got the best advice and the straightest answers from fellow patients who had gone through similar experiences, than all the doctors, nurses and great minds combined. Sort of like that doctor I visited a couple years ago that told me no diseases can be transferred between animals and humans. What a loon. It’s too bad they don’t teach common sense at University level.
If common sense is so common, why is it so rare?
Because people have moved too far away from nature.
Very true.